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versus Shamil Musayev. All it's over! For the PFL welterweight world title. On Real! Saturday, July 25th and 10 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. Welcome, everybody. Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show kicks off right now. Coming to you live from Washington, D.C., our nation's capital, aka the swamp, although it is lovely this time of year. Not very swampy. Clay is on vacation today. He'll be back with us Thursday. Is that Thursday? It's Thursday, right? Yes, Thursday. So he is working on his tan by the Gulf of America. We are diving into the news of the day, my friends. And there is a lot of it. More on the showdown between the Trump administration and... Various Democrat-run cities, notably Chicago and Portland, but the mayor of Chicago has done something pretty remarkable. He thinks that he can create federal government enforcement free zones. And we shall discuss what that looks like. We shall have a conversation about how absurd the Democrat position on all this is getting. As a CNN anchor decides to throw down with Stephen Miller, it does not go well. Spoiler alert for the CNN anchor, Stephen Miller having none of it. President Trump, some comments yesterday from the Oval that I wanted to get to today. The government shutdown continues. I'm here in our nation's capital and I don't know. Feels fine. Doesn't feel very shutdown like. Feels okay. Things are kind of just doing what they do. So there's that. We'll discuss, though, the latest with it. And also, it is, of course, the two-year anniversary of the October 7th terrorist attack by Hamas on Israel. Our friend and podcast host, Carol Markowitz, will be with us in the third hour to discuss some reflections two years on as the Trump administration. is trying to bring a ceasefire and some kind of peace deal into effect in that region. It has been two years of conflict. But I wanted to dive in first to this situation, and it is more of the deep state weaponization that we have known about, but continue to find new things out. This is now the surveillance of United States Republican senators. The FBI, well, in this case, actually, came out from Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley. He released this publicly, but the FBI, led by Director Kash Patel and Deputy Director Dan Bongino, is providing transparency as promised about what kind of weaponization has occurred.

at the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and notably on this Arctic Frost operation that they were running. And this is about election J6 2020 stuff. And they clearly were on a hunt for individuals. that were political targets instead of actual criminals. That's a problem. I think Donald Trump summed it up well with this. This was on truth's social. Derange Jack Smith caught with his hand in the cookie jar a real sleaze bag. Indeed, the president of the United States. pulling no punches and letting it be known how he feels about the unduly anointed prosecutor Jack Smith in this whole situation. But we've got this, from the FBI, we have an electronic communications tally here, as in surveillance of the cell phones of toll analysis records. You've got Mike Kelly, Lindsey Graham, Bill Hagerty, Josh Holly, Dan Sullivan, Tommy Tuberville, Ron Johnson, he'll be with us tomorrow, Senator Johnson, and Cynthia Loomis, Marsha Blackburn. These are the names on this release. Well, this is not just one of those times where we're finding something out. There's already been action taken. The FBI, and this is from Director Kash Patel, has terminated some employees that were involved in this when the Republicans had their private communications, their private phone calls tracked. Director Kash Patel put this out. We are cleaning up a diseased temple three decades in the making, identifying the rot, removing those who weaponize law enforcement for political purposes, and those who do not meet the standards of this mission while restoring integrity to the FBI. I promised reform and I intend to deliver it. So that was in a statement to Fox News. So that is where we are right now. It is... More information to add on to the pile about weaponization of government that has happened. But we had Pam Bondi. testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on this issue. I wanted you to hear it from the Attorney General herself. This is cut two. Hit it. When I was confirmed as an 87th Attorney General of the United States, I took office with two main goals to end the weaponization of justice and return the department to its core mission of fighting violent crime. As to ending the weaponization of justice, we learned that former FBI secretly investigated you and your colleagues.

Why? They wanted to take President Trump off the playing field. They were playing politics with law enforcement powers and will go down as a historic betrayal of public trust. This is the kind of conduct that shatters the American people's faith in our law enforcement system. We will work to earn that back every single day. It's critical because when the people have a lack of faith. And rightly so, in the fair-minded, in the ethical application of the rule of law, especially when it comes to the fearsome powers of the FBI, when the public no longer believes that that is being done in a nonpartisan fashion, we have a very big problem on our hands. And the public is right to not just question the FBI, but to have lost tremendous respect for it as an institution. And that is why Director Kash Patel, Deputy Director Dan Bongino and other good men and women in the FBI under this Trump administration are trying so hard to first deal with the rot, excise it. but also to set things right. We cannot have an FBI that is pulling the phone records of Republican senators to try to jam them up on some nonsense. We already had an FBI, as we know, that was involved with the entire crossfire hurricane debacle, involved in trying to... pin a lie on a president, Donald Trump, to destroy his administration and perhaps even to send him and members of his family and top advisors to prison. One thing I will note, and you should all keep this in mind too. There are a whole bunch of Republicans who have actually gone to prison from Trump world. There's a whole series of people that have served time for overwhelmingly the most petty offenses imaginable. And we've seen an FBI with James Comey that was willing to pretend it was investigating laws that no honest person thinks. are the basis for any investigation like the Logan Act against general Flynn and the first trump administration so the weaponization has been broad it has been consistent and it has been taken as far as the investigative body the FBI can take things meaning that they have brought these cases they have used these tools they've used FISA and it is a very dangerous thing let me tell you Coming from a CIA analysis background, when you have what is effectively the secret police in a country playing games, using surveillance powers to undermine one political party or another, it doesn't lead to good places. In fact, sometimes it leads to...

a straight-up coup and maybe the head of the secret police run a country and if you've paid attention to james comie in recent years that is terrifying i think a comie administration might even be worse than a comal administration and i just read comala's book and it is also deeply, deeply troubling because it is so boring and so awful that you think this woman could have been president in this country. I know Trump beat her soundly, but the fact that so many people voted for her, I think should keep us all on guard. It is a wow moment. One of the least talented politicians of our lifetime somehow managed to be the Democrat nominee and got tens of millions of votes. Anyway, back to FBI. weaponization I'm I'm weaving isn't that what Trump says I'm weaving isn't that the term right he when he starts going off I haven't used that one in a while but if Trump says it I'm weaving I'm getting back to it I don't think Trump has said that in a while either. That was a big Trumpism for a while when he would start to go on tangents. So, yes, the reality here is cleaning up the FBI is absolutely essential. I'm just a few blocks from the Hoover Building. So it feels very close. It feels very real that this is underway right now. But this is essential. And then there's also, speaking of cleaning up law enforcement, there is the deployment issue here about National Guard going to these cities. Pam Bondi also in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee here saying to Senator Dick Durbin. Another deeply unimpressive fellow, very Kamala Harris-esque in that respect. Here he is, or rather here, Pam Bondi is explaining that, you know what, National Guards going to Chicago deal with it. Play three. The National Guard is on the way right now as we speak. Oh, by the way, so is Director Kash Patel and Deputy Attorney General, Todd Blanche. You're sitting here grilling me, and they're on their way to Chicago to keep your state safe. Madam Attorney General is my job to grill you. Mm-hmm. No, I mean, he could just ask questions and be respectful, but however he wants to position this, of course. But this is now going to let me transition into this ongoing fight over bringing safety and security to these cities and allowing for immigration customs enforcement to do their job. without obstruction, without being unduly burdened by lunatics in the streets who are throwing rocks and bottles and Lord knows what else at them. It is time for a law enforcement reckoning here. Remember, when it came to January 6th, the Democrats were willing to not only have the National Guard deployed for four or five months.

with big fences around the Capitol. But they used the FBI very much like a secret police force in some third world country to hunt down people for nonviolent crimes to bust into their homes sometimes in the pre-dawn hours with tactical teams. And I mean, just look what they did. Well, they've done this so many times. Well, they did to Roger Stone in an earlier era. They're willing to... abuse the powers of the FBI, of the DOJ, for the most nakedly partisan purpose, it's got to stop. And that means consequences. That means people have got to get fired. And it means people have got to go to prison. If they can send Steve Bannon to prison for nothing and Navarro to prison for nothing and a whole bunch of others, maybe we can send some Democrats to prison for something, as in breaking the law, which they've done. i think that's where we need to go i think that's where people are recognizing we have to go And I will take your calls on this one. 800, 282, 282. Look, fall is a busy time for families. Whatever it is that keeps your kids busy, it's important. You want to stay connected with them. So how do you do that if they're not old enough to carry a cell phone? Well, how about rapid radios? Rapid radios. Rapid radios, walkie-talkies. Easy to operate one touch of a button. Unlike previous generations of walkie-talkies, rapid radios rely on an LTE network, so distance is not a problem. You can be anywhere in America and connect to another person carrying a rapid radio. No setup is required. Just pull them out of the box, press a button and talk. It's a one-touch connection, perfect for busy families. Also comes with a five-day charge. Visit rapid radios.com, save up to 60%. Get free UPS shipping from Michigan and use code radio for an extra 5% off. That's code radio when you get to rapid radios.com. Saving America. One Thought at a Time. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free I-Hard Radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Life moves fast. At American Military University, they're ready to help you keep up. AMU's flexible, affordable online programs in cybersecurity, IT, space studies, and more are designed for service members, veterans, and their families. AMU provides the support you need to take the next step, wherever life takes you. American Military University, made for what's next. Learn more at amu.apus.edu.edu. If you're someone who's tracking your sleep, your steps, and your macros, then you already know that what you eat is kind of everything. You should also know that Sprouts Farmer's Market can help make eating for longevity easier. Sprouts has all the high-quality, nutrient-dense, organic foods and cutting-edge supplements you need. So whether you're focused on protein, gut health, or optimizing how you feel day-to-day, it's all there. And here's what no other grocery store can offer. An in-store wellness expert to help you find exactly what you need.

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series of conversations there are most notably with the president of Taiwan so you can see that at clay and buck.com and please go and check that out now uh president trump just in the oval office a few moments ago he's down the street uh he's not far off from where i'm doing the show and here he is on the democrat party what he thinks of their leadership 34 And I really think that these are people that I think they have nothing to lose. They have a party that's out of control. They have no leader. Nobody knows who the leader is. I look at people with very low IQs like a rocket, this woman, Jasmine Crockett. I never met her. But she's a low IQ individual. I look at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez talking about how if they want to negotiate, they can come to my office. She's not in that position to do that. And who the hell is she to say that? And then I watch Nancy Pelosi not knowing what to do. their leadership. Look, Chuck Schumer is petrified of a primary because he's not going to win probably against anybody in a primary. You know, Chuck Schumer did the right thing, but he handled it badly originally a year ago. He did probably the right thing, but he handled it badly. I think Chuck Schumer is incapable of making a deal. They are a mess. They're a party that has no leadership, and they have no policy, you know. We have great, we have great, I think we have great leadership, but we also have. policy. Their leadership, look, Chuck Schumer is petrified of primary because he's not going to win probably against anybody in a primary. You know, Chuck Schumer did the right thing, but he handled it badly originally a year ago. He did probably the right thing, but he handled it badly. I think Chuck Schumer is incapable of making a deal. They are a mess. They're a party that has no leadership, and they have no policy, you know. We have great, we have great, I think we have great leadership, but we also have. great policy i think he's right but let's let's unpack this for a second the claim from the president that the Democrats don't have leadership right now. I think you'd have to agree with that. To the degree that it is possible for me to be objective on this, which I know is that's a challenge, right? Because I am a Republican and don't agree with the Democrats. I understand all that. But trying to take a step back and look at this as honestly as possible. If the Democrats had a... Day fact, like to Taiwan, but the brutal experience of reading Kamala Harris's 107 days, and it felt like it took 107 days to read, so the title is apt. And really, I think she did not endear herself to anyone in the Democrat Party or the reader. I came away from it thinking this is a person who has never really been tested, has been elevated by the system for superficial characteristics all along.

And you have somebody who's just not a talented politician got way beyond her skill set. And so I don't think that she's going anywhere in politics, meaning I don't think she's going somewhere. It's off the stage. you have Gavin Newsom oh you've got J.B. Pritzker he's really trying to make a go of things these days he really believes that he's a big deal and this is what this is the kind of leadership you this is cut 10 this kind of leadership you get from this guy he's a jerk play it Donald Trump is using our service members as political props and as pawns in his illegal effort to militarize our nation's cities. For weeks now, Donald Trump, Kristi Noem, and Gregory Bovino have brought their militarized CBP and ICE agents to the streets of Chicago to cause violence and chaos in this city. They need to stop inciting our city's residents. Since the beginning of this invasion, family... have been snatched up off the streets or removed from their homes, zip tied and detained for hours, including especially U.S. citizens and legal residents of our state. Inciting the people of Chicago? Think about the framing from the governor here, who certainly thinks of himself as a heavyweight. Think of the way that he discusses this. The problem isn't the riots, the problem isn't the lawlessness and the disrespect shown to federal officers. It's that they're there and Democrats in Chicago are having some kind of collective nervous breakdown in response to it, and so they can't be held accountable for their actions. The real problem here, the real issue is the deployment in the first place. uh that's a that's a pretty crazy point of view isn't it and yet this is the governor of illinois who who certainly thinks himself as a contender uh for the democrat the mantle of democrat leadership Chuck Schumer as trump and others have been discussing he's just trying to hold on because the democrat party that that he has managed to sit atop in different ways for a long time now he's been involved in this longer than i was funny actually uh funny yesterday talking to speaker of the house he's like puck he's he's been doing this for almost as long i'm like no longer than i've been alive actually Chuck Schumer has been in the senate longer than i have been on this earth so that tells you something uh but this is where we are now Chuck Schumer running for cover he knows the radical left fringe of his party is ascendant and they can't stop it there's no this is the thing They can't reason with their left-wing base any more than we can because they're lunatics. And so by definition, there's no way, there's no common ground to have with them. The only thing that they can do is try to keep them at bay long enough to fool enough voters to keep the Democrat.

seats in more purplish areas and to try this this is the game every election cycle democrats to win enough votes to have power have to pretend that they're not actually democrats it's certainly what's going on with uh alison whatever her name is in virginia and by the way it might as well be whatever her name is her last name because her whole game is nobody knows anything about this lady like what does she stand for me i don't know is a democrat it's a lady That's about all we know, you know. Abigail Spanberger. Abigail Spanberger. What does Abigail Spanberger stand for? Well, if you really were to dig into it, it would be probably abortion all nine months of a pregnancy and DEI and transgender stuff and all the, but she doesn't talk about that. The whole game is, I'm so boring and lacking in charisma, how dangerous can I be? And that's what a lot of these Democrats do. They put forward this Trojan horse in the purple states of, well, I'm not one of those Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Zohran Mamdani Democrats. I'm something else. And unfortunately, because a lot of people spend time thinking about their lives and not politics, and I can respect that. I don't really cast stones. I wish everybody was very informed on these things, but, you know. They got lives to lead. And so they just, whatever's on the TV, they go, okay, this person seems pretty moderate. And what is a moderate Democrat these days? Chuck Schumer is starting to look like a moderate Democrat these days just because he's not insane. I mean, he's bad news, but he's not as loony as some of these others. And he's maybe going to lose his job because of it. So we go back to the initial question or the initial premise by President Trump. Who is the leader of the Democrat Party? This is the first time in a long time. Nobody would have asked that question, obviously, for the eight years of Obama. And if it wasn't Obama, the answer was Clinton. And somehow, believe it or not, when the answer wasn't Clinton, the answer became Biden. So there has been a leader of the Democrat Party for a long time now. And I would argue that in the Bush years, even, the answer was still Clinton for a lot of people. The West Wing. where that half-wit Martin Sheen plays the brilliant scholar president. It was really just this stealth presidency for Libs during the Bush years. And I remember I was in the CIA at the time. And so, yeah, I would flip this thing on sometimes. I'm like, oh, this is where the Libs get to feel safe and warm. Oh, look at this president. He has a Ph.D. in economics. And he likes baseball, just like all the Democrats. These, you know, that was, it was their fantasy land. Their Aaron Sorkin provided fantasy land presidency. But we've always known who the leader is. We've always known who the top dog is in the Democrat Party until now because there isn't one. And Trump is just pointing that out. What did I say? Yeah, Abigail Spanberger. I got her name right, didn't I? It took me a minute. Oh, did I? Oh, I said, there you go. That's how memorable she is. Allison, Abigail, potato, potato, whatever. Yeah, Abigail Spanberger.

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case of right and wrong not just of course on the horrible day of october seventh and what was done to choose in israel but so much of what we saw afterwards i think was shocking to people carroll who haven't followed this issue and don't understand some of the dynamics of play i mean the calls for uh example the calls for a ceasefire while the israelis were still counting their dead and preparing to bury them was just an astonishing show of bad faith and quite honestly the worst kinds of anti-Semitism. Yeah, absolutely. And it's been just a really tough two years, I would say. And it's interesting because I went to Israel during that time. And they are so resilient and strong. And they're really, they've been prepared for how long this is going to take. And they understood it wasn't going to be overnight and all of that. And they want their hostages back so badly. But it has been a tough time to be a Jew in America, a Jew in the West. I have such faith in America and Americans, and I know that it's just a tough time right now. But it is hard to watch that commemorations of October 7th are taking place in our biggest cities, and they seem like celebrations. And they're, you know, Zionists, quote, unquote, are being pushed out of various spaces. I mean, it's been going on on the left for years and years. I wasn't very surprised about the reaction. from the left on October 8th. I know a lot of people were, but I had seen it coming for the better part of a decade. I just hope the right doesn't follow them down that path. And like I said, I do feel very comfortable and so blessed that I feel like conservatives are largely on the right side of this, and that they, I do feel like I have allies standing with me. Well, you know, Trump, I think, is a... consistent, consistent ally and friend of the state of Israel, which is, and sees this issue with the clarity that it demands. And on that issue of clarity, you know, we've had you on, Carol, before to talk about the so-called genocide and the New York Times running a story with a photo as the primary photo of somebody. who looks emaciated having nothing to do with hunger. It's actually a birth defect or, you know, a congenital birth issue that that person had. And I think it's, you know, to me it always seemed like, hold on a second, there's not a genocide going on and here's why. And we made that case before. This is a term, of course, that's thrown around with the additional... salt and the wound of the genocide that was committed against the Jews in the Holocaust and World War II. So the opponents of Israel used this knowing the full implications of the term in this context. But now we have a peace plan or at least a ceasefire plan put forward with all of these steps. It's essentially Hamas has to stop fighting. Hostages have to come back. And then there has to be some responsibility from the Palestinian side.

And it seems like it's not a genocide because they say, no, we're going to keep fighting. Right. It's amazing. The first victims of genocide ever to say, no, we're going to keep going. It's baffling to me that anybody cannot see what's going on here. And you're right. Trump is such a friend to Israel. I am just... just I find his clarity on the matter to be breathtaking. And I, you know, I make all of the Trump 2028 jokes in our, and our cats because of it. Because I really feel like he holds back a lot of the insanity around the world. And, you know, when Britain or France, when you recognize, quote, unquote, the Palestinian state, Trump sort of laughs at them and says, who cares what they think? And that's... meaningful and amazing that an American president is such a leader on the world stage. But you're right. It's the idea that there's a genocide going on while that population of Palestinians in Gaza has actually grown in the last two years makes no sense. And it makes no sense that it really chubby moms are holding starving babies because that's generally not the way that it goes. So I'd love to see more clarity from other world leaders. There's some really good ones. The president of Argentina is amazing. The prime minister of Italy is fantastic. But in general, a lot of them are afraid of their Muslim populations or their leftist base. And they are really bringing down the idea of civilization around the world. It's not just about Israel. It's really a civilizational question that they would have to contend with in their own countries. What will our countries be with this unchecked immigration that we've allowed to go on? It's all tied together. I'd also note that if there was a starvation, genocide underway... The photos of it would be everywhere accessible and obvious. It would not be in the least bit difficult in the social media internet era that we all live in to see this. And yet the reliance on photos by the biggest newspaper in the United States, for example. that is essentially a falsified premise, I think that speaks very loudly about what is going on here. What are the chances they just happen to pick a photo that doesn't depict what's going on if there are endless photos that would, right? I mean, that just makes no sense. You can supply logic to this and it falls apart. Yeah, and they cropped out his healthy-looking brother out of the photo because they wanted to project that the starvation thing was happening, and the very healthy brother would show that that wasn't going on. What is going on on the right with, and you know what I'm going to ask you, Carol, but to the degree that we can cover some of this now, there seems to be...

some questioning and even some hostility to Israel specifically that I haven't seen from the right on the left it's been there for a long time and but on the right it seems like there's some problems bubbling up where is that coming from You know, I don't want to ascribe bad motives to people. I'm not going to say they're all paid by guitar, although kind of seems like they're paid by guitar. It really could be any number of things. I understand questioning foreign aid, for example. But if you're questioning a foreign aid means that Israel should be the first country stripped of it. I'm sorry, that is not a real argument. And a lot of the time, there'll be people saying, we're allowed to criticize Israel. Of course you're allowed to criticize Israel. I criticize Israel. There's a million mistakes that I think Israel has made before and since October 7th, and you're absolutely allowed to criticize any number of things. But the idea is that Israel is allowed to exist and should exist, and that is Zionism. So it's really not that crazy to say Israel is a country, it exists, it's going to continue to exist, and we should support that. I hope the right doesn't... get wound up in conspiracy theories, which is largely what a lot of this comes down to. And I get where it comes from. We were lied to again and again and again over the last decade, and I feel like people have lost all faith in everything. But you have to remember, not everyone is lying to you all the time, and you have to find the people that you trust, and they shouldn't be people who lie to you. If your favorite podcaster... is telling you things that you know to be a lie, they're probably lying about other things as well, and that's how you should look at it. You should trust the voices that you listen to, and if you can't do that, then you shouldn't do it on anything. You know, I've begun to see finally, because I've been trying to make this case for a while, as somebody who was involved in some capacity among millions of other Americans, including those who actually served in the military, I was a civilian trying to do a part of what we call the GWAT, the global war on terror. But the level of violent hate. that has been inculcated in some of these Middle Eastern societies and specifically in the case of Gaza, I'm a little surprised that so many people on the right seem to have either forgotten or aren't able to draw the obvious parallels that these societies, they're not upset about foreign aid in Gaza. They're not upset about the lack of some, you know, some agreement that would move things forward. they actually have been trained and taught to hate Jews and Israelis. Yeah. This is very straightforward, and I think this has gotten lost in the conversation, even on the right, for some, in a way that bears reminding everybody.

Yeah, I will say that poll after poll continues to show that the people on the right support Israel. And so no matter how many loud voices are trying to change that. I think that's an important distinction you're making. So not to interrupt you. So far, it hasn't moved the needle at all. I would say that abortion is a more contentious issue on the right than Israel is. It's an overwhelming, positive, supportive point of reference for the right on Israel. And so, you know, I don't know what... again, what the motivations might be. But I will say that anti-Semitism is not a bigotry. And I think when people think of it as a bigotry, they get it all wrong. It is a mind virus. Once it grabs people, it's all they can think about. So again, if you think, if your favorite podcaster has suddenly become wall-to-wall Israel, every single episode is Israel, Israel, they're on a dark path. And it's not about Jews as a... kind of culture. It's about a larger mind virus that will really swallow them up. And you've seen this happen in societies in history where once it gets going, it really doesn't stop. So I hope that the trend where the larger right just blocks out those voices continues. And that's what I'm going to be looking at. What are you going to be talking about this week on normally, Carol? So normally just celebrated our one-year anniversary buck. Mary Catherine Ham and I completely didn't realize the date, so it's actually a year and a week and a week in a... half or so, but we're really thrilled to be on the Clay Travis and Buck Sexman Podcast Network. It's been amazing. We cover news of the day in a funny way, and I hope your listeners will tune in. Yeah, no, you guys are doing a great ladies, I should say, are doing a great show. I love it. Yeah, Carol, thank you so much for being here. Appreciate talking to you as always, and we'll talk to you again soon. Thanks so much. Two years ago, we woke up to the horrific news from Israel that terrorists were on a rampage, slaughtering innocent civilians. By the end of the day, the death toll was 1,200, with 250 people taken hostage. The equivalent to that in the U.S. would be 40,000 Americans to give you a sense of the magnitude. Americans have supported the people of Israel for the past two years in big and small ways, with the help of the international fellowship of Christians and Jews. One way is by joining a growing movement called Flags of Fellowship. The flags of Fellowship unites churches across America, planning over one million Israeli flags across our country. Show the world that Israel is not alone. To get more information about how you can join the flags of fellowship movement, visit IFCJ.org. That's IFCJ.org. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Mike drops. That never sounded so good. Find them on the free I-hard Radio app or wherever you get your podcast.

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All right, everybody, welcome back in. I'm joined by my friend Leland Vittert. On Balance, Leland Vittert is a show on News Nation, a program that I'm honored to occasionally get to grace with my presence, or I am graced by its presence, either way. And speaking of presence, I'm here in our D.C. studio, and I am feeling like a fraternity bum or something. This guy comes in here dressed like Gordon Gecko. This is the difference between TV and radio. I'm wearing like sweatpants and a fleece, and Leland comes in here. Crisp is a $100 bill, ready for television at a moment's notice. So I'm just saying good for you, my friend. Respect. Respect. You got to do it how you do it. We've got this book. It is doing very well. Born lucky, a dedicated father, a grateful son, and my journey with autism. This has really struck a chord with people. Tell everybody a bit about it. So, Buck, born lucky is the story of my father when I was diagnosed with autism, choosing to adapt me to the world rather than the world to me. So this goes back to the 1980s. And this book is for every parent of a kid having a hard time. It doesn't matter if it's a parent of a kid on the autism spectrum, ADHD, anxiety, social issues, bullying at school. It is proof to parents of how much agency they have and how much hope there is for a loving parent to really dedicate to their kid and help their kid be more and achieve their full potential in a way they never would if they listen to the experts. Tell me more about that part of this. Like what are some of the hurdles, the artificial hurdles that are put in place by expert opinion about autism, how to deal with this? And what are some of things? There is a movement in America, and the experts will tell you to meet kids where they are, right? So you just sort of put little Sally in bubble wrap and tell her that she's perfect and everything's great and we're so proud of you and everything else. In 1988, 89, my parents are told that I have to be evaluated. So they take me to one of those little medical centers. You're a new dad. Worst thing a parent could possibly hear, right? So they take me to one of these little medical testing centers, linoleum floors, old magazines, stale coffee, whatever. The woman comes back with me after two hours. They're nervous. And the woman says to my parents, we have no idea what's going on inside his head. What were some of the signs? How did you know? Exactly. How do they know that you needed to be tested? So, you know, I had terrible behavioral issues. So if a kid touched me in the lunch line, I'd turn around and slug them. I had awful behavioral issues, sensory issues, couldn't really wear a lot of clothes or socks or anything else because I didn't like how it felt on my skin. Big learning disabilities. So from the IQ test, two halves of an IQ test make up the average of your IQ. Buck doesn't have to do an average. His is additive. It just goes very high. Mine was half genius, half mentally retarded. So 20-point spread in your IQ test as a learning disability. I had a 70-point spread. And the woman said to my dad, look, there's not much you can do. And my dad goes, as any father would, anything we can do. And she goes, generally not.

Got to meet him where he's at. And my dad said if I meet him where he's at and I adapt the world to him and I give him extra time on tests and behavior modification plans in school and tell everybody what's happening, he's not going to know how to operate in the real world. So this was my dad's quest to adapt me to the real world. What were some of the things that in that process he did, he learned, and congratulations to your father out. I mean, I also just, so I have no personal. experience of anyone in my family with autism. I have people in my extended family that have serious mental health challenges, people who have, we have my, I have a second cousin with Down syndrome, but I've never experienced somebody close to me with autism. And so my knowledge of it is really just from reading, picking things up in the media. We'll hear about the spectrum. What are some of the things that your father had to learn and had to understand to push you through this process? It's a great question. And this was much less about autism, because at the time, autism was really not understood very well, to a father leaning in and saying, I am going to push my son to be more, right? So he knew I couldn't get self-esteem from school because of learning disabilities. I wasn't going to have any friends, so I couldn't be the popular kid, and I couldn't do athletics because I was completely uncoordinated. It six years old, he started me doing 200 push-ups a day as a way to start earning self-esteem, 200 push-ups a day, five days a week. Now, what expert would ever tell a parent to do that, right? But it was to teach me effort in equals real results and real achievement. He was big on character. He said the two things you can control your character and your work ethic. That was something that he forced me to take a lot of pride in. And then it was trying to teach me almost minute by minute the social skills that... come naturally to people in the human equation so he would take me out to lunch with one of his friends i had a lot of free time because no kid wanted to hang out with me and we show you in born lucky he would take me out and he would sit me down at lunch with one of his friends i'd start talking to the guy and badgering him and my dad would tap his watch and that was a signal for me to stop talking number one but in born lucky then we take you into the post game right where he would sit there and be like okay when mr sexton never never buck never by a first name but when he was talking about his his new child and his dog why did you want to talk about how many commercials are in his radio show i don't know dad if that was interesting well what do you think mr sexton wanted to talk about it was this minute by minute teaching of the human emotional skills yeah my my emotional intelligence was about free the near freezing level my IQ, my EQ was freezing. How long did it take, I mean, I wouldn't have known from, I mean, we've known each other professional. I don't do, we're getting old. I think I probably met you a decade ago, so it's been at Fox. At least, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's been a long time. I did your show at Fox a long time ago. I would not have known. And again, I'm somebody who, there's a lot of people listening who have autistic children or grandchildren or have dealt with this themselves. So they have a much higher understanding of it. But in layman's understanding of it.

I would never have known that you struggled with autism. Is your level of functionality in day-to-day unusual for somebody who's ever been diagnosed with autism? I mean, people always talk about this spectrum. I mean, how do you describe that so that there's an understanding? I'm not an expert on it, right? Sure, sure. From your own experience, though, what I would say is it's an everyday struggle. Was there a point at which, though, you were? You felt like you were more normal? You know, I'm saying like the point in time when you said, okay, I've caught up. I have that emotional intelligence. It's a great question. I would say it's still a struggle every day, every hour to force your mind to think through the way that my dad taught me to think rather than the way my mind normally would think. In the book, in Born Lucky, compared it a little bit almost like to alcoholism, that it's never a cure, it's something you work on every day. But... Sure, you know, my dad used to always tell me when I was bullied and isolated alone in middle school and high school. What's making you bullied and isolated and alone is what's going to help you succeed later in life. And there was a time, sure, once I got into TV and started working, that hard work, good character made up for a lot of the emotional intelligence that I didn't have. But certainly it's something I still deal with every day. So this was a progression over time. We're speaking to Leland Littert. The book is Born Lucky, a dedicated father, a grateful son, and my journey with autism. Obviously, this conversation, but autism also comes up a lot in the context of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. and I'm not going to put you on the spot. You're welcome to. Do you have thoughts? Yeah. I guess I will put you. Do you have thoughts about why there's been this explosion in diagnoses of this condition, which that part of it, I think everyone agrees. Right. more of this than there has been absolutely and I'm not a doctor I'm not a scientist I have the chemistry grades to prove it so I won't discuss Tylenaud dosing you don't want to hear from me on that but I think it's fantastic that this is now the scientific question of our time one in 1500 kids when I was diagnosed now one in 31 three times higher for boys and hire still and poor and minority communities. This should be the scientific question of our time. And look, you're a new father. If my wife was pregnant, I'm newly married, and you said, hey, check a box. Your kid can have autism or not. Every parent, prospective parent, is checking no, right? Yeah. So it's a big challenge. I know that. I have friends who have autistic kids, yeah. So why would we not try to solve this problem? And I wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal before Born Lucky came out, effectively saying, you know, does the left or does the anti-Trump crew hate Trump more than they love our kids? Because if all you're going to do is demonize Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Trump on the search for this answer, that's the only explanation. So you believe, obviously, that the public focus, well, the Trump administration focus on this is clearly... a good faith effort to try to get an answer that we should all want but of course this becomes politicized because anything trump and r f k junior now are involved in people view through a partisan lens right everything everybody views everything now in america through a partisan lens and i think part of the reason born lucky has gotten such a tremendous response right we're now in our third printing in our first week is because it proves to parents

how much hope there is, and how much agency they have. And no one is telling parents that, whether it's autism or ADHD or anything else, I had a parent come up to me and say, your book speaks so much to me. And I knew both of these women's kids. They were both very successful college athletes at an Kay Ivey League school. I said, you know, your kid didn't have a hard time. He said, oh, well, my kid had a nut allergy. And they told me when my son had a nut allergy just to pull nuts out of every classroom that he was going to be in. And instead I said, I'm going to desensitize him to nuts. So that is the born lucky story just through various different challenges that every parent faces. So now I'm one of these people that is particularly interested in the book because it resonates with me. And I'll tell you why. As I say, so you are a... You know, in our business, just to be employed is, I think, successful. No, really. I mean, to be, you know, you have your own show. I share this huge platform with Clay. The fact that we get to do what we do is you're beating the odds and very blessed and very fortunate, right? But you're a TV presenter, and so your ability to connect with audiences is your currency in one way or another, right? That's the way it works. I'm a radio host. I had a speech impediment as a kid. I had a speech impediment, and it made me so... uncomfortable i mean i would mispronounce my own name made me so uncomfortable that they thought about pulling me out of school and it was my mother who really stepped in and said no work i i will i will work with him no we will figure this out and i went to speech therapy and i had tutors after school and all of this because she didn't want me to be one of those kids who felt like he couldn't be with the other kids And that was a, I will never be able to thank my mother enough for that one. And the story that I always tell is, here I was a kid who could not pronounce his name. True story. I could not pronounce my own name in first, second, going into third grade, constantly made fun of for that. And here I sit on a microphone. We're speaking to a few million people right now. Something two to three million depends on the day. I'd say you've done pretty well. And so radio, which is obviously about the ability to verbalize and communicate, is how I make a living. And I started out with the speech impediment. And then with the tutors, by the way, they got me to the point where I was about two years ahead of grade level in terms of academics within 18 months. So went from you can't speak. You need to go to a special place. You can't stay with your friends to my mom saying, just like your dad did. we're going to figure this out. And I think that that really does resonate with people. The parents make the difference. Parents make such a huge difference in all of this. Born Lucky is the book, everybody. I have a feeling right now a lot of people are going on Amazon. A lot of people are looking to be a part of your third printing of this. Congrats on the success of it. Leland Vittert, and I'll be seeing you on your News Nation show. Very soon. Very soon indeed. You do great work over there. And thank you for this important book. And good to see you here in the studio, even though you make me feel like I'm underdressed in my own studio. That's okay, though. That's okay. Oh, look, one of the better investments I've made is the purchase of gold. This year alone, it's up 47% in value. I think it just crossed the $4,000 an ounce threshold today, which is an all-time high. It's not slowing down, folks. Goldman Sachs is saying it's going to go higher. I mean, a lot of people see this as just the continued...

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