Chicago Way w/John Kass: Willie Wilson calls critics ‘mentally ill’ for questioning his motives

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And he has this Tammany Hall style attitude to power. And it is, it's the Chicago Way, absolutely. The Chicago Way is a deep cultural phenomenon. It's the Chicago Way. The Chicago Way, that's the focus. In a tower by the river, there lived a man. There was a man who took a stand. With pen and paper in his hand. Defeating foes in every ward with a pen more mighty than the sword. No escape from his ink lasso in a tower by the river. Castle. Here's how you get him. He pulls a knife. You pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital. You say one of his to the morgue. That's the shipwagon. As promised, our friend, the hardest working man in politics. Willie Wilson running for mayor. Welcome to the Chicago Way, Dr. Wilson. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. We still here. I'm staying here the rest of my life, you know? There's two things I know about you. You plowed with a mule to put food on your table when you're a kid. My father did the same thing. It wasn't like Al Gore pawned with a mule butlers coming to him with lemonade. How hard is it to plow with the mule, Dr. Wilson? Oh, it's very hard. I'm actually passing through Oklahoma coming from Dallas. And it is 160 degrees. Here, when we was down plowing mule, it was about 150 degrees. It was very hard, hot. Plus, we had the dirt and everything else flying, and, you know, the mule with his, you know, plowing as well. So we, it was rough. And the days I don't want to able go back to that, for sure, you know. Don't blame you for that. Yeah. Well, Dr. Wilson, it's always good to talk to you. Thanks for joining us. What do you think you can do to fix education in this city? Because I'm on my pathway to become a teacher than the next year. And obviously, Chicago's got some problems. That's no mystery or no hidden truth. What do you think, what would you do to change things? Well, you had to change, in my opinion, and it would blame the leadership of Chicago Teacher Union because those guys are promoting young men and young ladies that don't know how to read the right. We cannot take that anymore that has to stop, you know. The other thing is that we're making sure that getting up prepared for the future.

is that before a kid can pass from one grade to the next grade, there's a couple things they really need to understand that we have to get into school, prepare them. One is that they got to know how to read the right, number one. Second is that you need to have a trade when you pass from one grade to the next grade. Education... Don't do it just alone, but you need a crate in order to take then make sure that you can get, you can get, have experience and move from education to crave with your hands. All right. And then you got, make sure we get AI in these classes and that seems to be where the future is going to be going. particularly those particular areas there. And then the other thing, you got to cut out, and I'm going to call this here, get a budget right, you got to cut out the white collar crime. All right. And so case and point where I call it white collar crime myself is that during the era when the Chicago teacher, I guess they go on different crips and things like that, You know, and then the BTU president takes in their particular kid into private school and that one shot of school. So we had to change this whole thing around. It's unacceptable. You know, I would bring, first of all, Chicago schools and Chicago itself, you have to run it for what it is. That's a business. I'm the only person that I understand, work it business-wise, and balance the budget in its own business, but not with tax pay of dollars. Balance the budget, and you're not going to go take it from a bank, like some other people, playing funny games with bank money. Absolutely not. The thing that you're having here, in my opinion, is this here. is that you can't raise taxes on businesses because you run businesses out of their city, and you run people out of this city. People cannot afford to pay the taxes because they can't buy food. They can't buy gasoline. They can't buy none of that stuff. You know, the rural and Chicago, the potho is turnover now, you know? And so, look, 40% of the budget and the state of course goes to the unions. And so I would be a mayor for all citizens and represent the people of the city of Chicago. I won't take not one penny for myself. Nor would I make deal with people to support me in order for favor. Chicago is the citizen is what is needed to somebody represent them fairly. Lastly on that question there is here, I would not. Chicago has a question to ask themselves. I put it that way. The question they can ask themselves, do they want a person who is bought by a special entry group?

Or do they want a person who uses his own money, donate a time to help who has experience in business, who have a compassion for people, who work hard for themselves, who also give away all of his money that he make now to the cities of Chicago? Hello to the question. Sure. And John, before we move on, I just want to just to clarify, well, let's talk to Wilson. You know, sometimes I have a little bit of trouble understanding. Were you saying trades as in like trade schools for students as well as grades? Is that what I'm understanding that correctly? Yeah, you understand that correct. It's great. I love that. With over three decades of serving up streetwise insight and local perspective on page two, the voice of John Cass has a home at Johncastnews. There's a new sheriff in town. This will truly be the golden age of America. That's what we have to. But as he settles in, can you deal with the hysteria, the meltdowns, the constant whining? I don't know what to do. You know what you need? You need a good cup of common sense. It's just common sense. Like the kind of common sense. sense you get when you subscribe to johncastnews.com. I'm John Cass, 40 years a journalist in Chicago. I opened this website, Johncast News, so that you could have a decent cup of common sense. This great country of ours was built on its entrepreneurial spirit. It's time that you join the frontier of independent journalism at Johncastnews.com. Subscribe today to get access to great columns from John Cass, Dan Proft, and others. Don't be a chum alone, and subscribe at Johncastnews.com. You have to be able to work with your hands to make something valuable so people will buy it because the way I see it, what Chicago Public Schools and the CTU Chicago Teachers Union are training our kids to do right now is to go to prison or stay on welfare. That's the only thing they're doing. And I think it's a crime personally. I couldn't agree with you more. Uh, it's a pipeline to prison. And then when you get out of prison, the pipeline to recirculating back to prison, I would put making sure that trades who are in prison also. So when those young men and young lady get out of prison, that they can get a job and then become contractors as well. I like that. It makes sense. I mean, like you both said, you know, there's the education part, the rewriting of arithmetic, they're not, clearly we're not achieving any sort of.

acceptable standard. And if we could create a pipeline of people in trades, I mean, how could the unions even argue against that, right? I mean, that's their bread and butter. Here's another thing. The union controls the jobs and things of that nature. I look, the citizens of Chicago, you know, you don't deserve to go to union just to get a job. They pay tax pay dollars like anybody else. If there's a job that is open up, they should be able to bid on those particular jobs and get them without going to their union. Now, I think that partnership with the unions is good. You use them for help train those disadvantaged neighborhoods. And they get the skills right there because they got the contracts and things that nature already with the education school board, the city, et cetera, et cetera. But you've got to put some guidelines in place like we do in business. And we're in business. We got to make those budget work. Otherwise, we are out of business. And so when you have to put on your thinking cap, Like I did, one morning I woke up, I was $72 million in debt. Well, how did I get there? Well, we had a factory down in Tennessee, and the product from overseas came in, was selling a product, 15% lower. And we had to close down. And we lost $72 million. But it took me a year and a half or maybe two to be back in the positive side. to bring that around. I had to do the cut, I had to use my mind, and I had to work hard, we had to figure this thing out because we had too many people depending on us. We couldn't let them down. I would bring that same hard work to the citizens of Chicago. And, see, there is no different, in my opinion, than people. You got white people, black, Asian, and other, brown people. Look, we all want the same thing. We get hungry, we got to eat. We want our kids educated, too. You cannot expect a neighborhood to ever to catch up. When you are producing a product that cannot read or write and don't understand the value of how to work hard, nobody wants no welfare. You can't make it out minimum wedges, things of that nature. You have to have people that are about principle of building an empire. build an empire with the future of the people in Chicago, you can not just throw our senior citizens out and don't care about them, that they have to make a decision between to buy groceries or medication. You got to have to write people in office. And I don't know what you guys seen with the letter I wrote the other day that the politician should not be running with two jobs.

One running for the Secretary of State and mayor at the same time. All right? Look, I also wrote a little to have them investigated and look into what's going on with all the people running with the two jobs. Look, but they ain't working 40 hours a week, and they're using tax payer dollars. And I'm a big tax payer in the state. I don't want to run it off my money. Okay. Now, so I call that, you know, look, a lack of integrity and prefercible that the citizens of Chicago deserve more than that. You have to, you're going to run for office for people, run for the people. Don't run and steal, try to take money to rob to people. It's wrong. Well, that was a letter to the Inspector General of the state of Illinois about, it looks to me, like you're targeting Alexei Janullius, the Secretary of State, because he's got those jobs, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, look, we, we, Pam, probably putting in a 40-hour work week. Well, are you using the people over here? All right. You shop, you know, saying if you're doing four hours a week and running for another job and running for two jobs at the same time, well, there are values in corporate America that we have to live by. We cannot work two jobs and it's done the same thing. We decide, you know. So this guy got money of his own, you know, and the citizen over here don't have food to eat, can't buy gasoline or nothing. Yeah, so that's crazy. And I'll make a commitment that is a commitment to the Chicago, and I don't want to see nobody getting that offer that I'm going to sit by and do nothing. People say, well, why are you running the fourth time? Well, look, if one person believes in Iran for what's right, I tell people this here, too. Abraham Lincoln ran 21 times before he came president of the United States of America. You never lose when you're trying to help other people. You just let you keep working and then keep going forward. And then I let the Lord decide when it time for me to stop or not. And nobody else. Well, I don't want you to stop because I want you to continue. And I think a lot of people of Chicago want you to continue. You know, you targeted Alexei Janullius and people think, oh, he's Greek and Cass is Greek. So then Cass... Must love the guy. No. I love the city of Chicago and the people of the city. Absolutely. I don't play those racial games, ethnic games, all that stuff. That's what drove us into the ground. Also, I know that your staff will listen to this, so you want to maybe write another letter to the Inspector General.

and ask him, what about Jaws Giorango? Michael Jaws, Jorango, convicted felon, organized crime figure, business ties big time to Broadway Bank, run by the Genoia's family. I'd like to know what about Jaws. Well, we'll definitely do that right. Right. Well, I'll tell you what, Mr. Cass is that. The problem with Chicago, in my opinion. is that it is this white-collar crime. Now, I was looking at it the reading of the day, looking up some research, and someone got it to me during the COVID kind of a situation. They tried people to take them, you know, from the homes, et cetera, et cetera. They spent $356, something like that, million dollars, and the person didn't even do the work. The PPP loans and all that, yeah. Right. Now, see, here's what, look, during COVID-19, I gave away over $100 million faith math. I could have stolen if I probably made $100 million dollar piece, right? But you couldn't get them, so I gave them away. You know? And so to make sure that the new people didn't have money, they wouldn't work in anything like that, you know. So if we give away these things, you love the city, you love the people that is out here, and you don't want to see nothing happen to people at all. But so you got the kids at home now, right? You're at home and they're not going to school. Right. Okay, so they're going to close down now in the school, which is all fine. But look, they can all come down and close down the churches, too. If you recall, I stood up for our churches and everything else and, you know, those type of things. But I think what I'm being on the basis saying is that we're tired of the white collar crime, and let's face it, you've got people that is consultants. You got people who make more on pension than what they made on a Saturday because they retire and then they get these jobs. That's what I call white college client. You cut out all that mess, then guess what? You begin to really clean up and get the budget right. You take them schools, you got to consolidate them. You know, I am for a child of school. But the consolidating no particular schools out here while you got school holds 2,000 people, and you only got 100 people in that school. You've got to close them down, make development small businesses out of there.

or sell them to somebody to use them and take care of all that debt. But you still got the unions and things like that want to keep them open so they can feel landscaping, air condition, and those particular jobs. They want to protect their jobs. Right. Do nothing jobs. That's white-collar crime. The white-collar crime. I'll close that gap. I was set up. A committed within City Hall to investigate that and shut that down for the benefit of people staying in Chicago and not leaving Chicago. And I am pro-business. Pro-business and pro-people. That sounds like it. Mr. Wilson, how do you stay pro-business in a city, Democratic City? where the socialists are taken over. They hate capitalism. They hate business. The mayor of Chicago, I don't even think he could hold a job if he wasn't political. If Tony Perkwinkel didn't put him in office, I don't think the poor guy would be able to feed his family. And what do you do in this country where all these people are hating on business and they hate... capitalism and they what do you make of that and how can how can a city and state and country move forward well you know before we had the socially call coming in now it's been that way for a long time you know this this condition so the people have been suffering and doing anything they turn to whatever they can get some help for you know So they want to see a change, you know. Don't nothing ever replace success. Look, but it's hard work. Nothing replaced hard work. Hard work success. You know, don't want no welfare, nothing like that, all right? But people have gotten into a situation and pushing a corner here. And people just hand out stuff. Look, I heard the opponents other day were talking about giving 3% and paying member wages. Well, member wages don't even pay for health insurance. So just putting people behind. Look, I talk of living wages, all right? And these socially have got to take to understand that the only way you can be successful. get a good trade, get a good education, all I work, and most of them, look, if they don't have a job nearby them, one or two blocks by them, they ain't going to want to work. They don't want to go five or six miles out and work, you know. That is nothing but brings the community down the whole idea. Okay? You're producing a product that's bad. So we have to maybe, you know, take to our principles. We must state our principle. Like I always look, I'd say this here. I'm going to always think to the principle in God we trust. I will never get out of God we trust. Right? Faith without work is dead.

All right. So nobody can ever change me on that. All right. Okay. So, so we have to put it in the head that socialism guidance. So, like, uh, I come, you, you keep going that way. It'd be like, uh, Solomon Gamaya, you know? So we have to make sure that we are bringing people on sound fiscal, they have a responsibility, and cut out the white collar crime, stop this mess. and move forward for the benefit of Chicago. Instead of running it's the way we're running now and being nobody's going to be afforded. You know, I mean, it's going to be a result. Like, I go a result down in the island somewhere because the only people down there can afford to be down there and pay it is wealthy people. Now, I got nothing wrong with wealthy people, but I know that wealthy people. with businesses that they're going to create, they're going to still create more jobs. I'm not mad with you because you were successful and made money because wealthy people usually take them when they get wealthy, they got ego. They want to be bigger and bigger and bigger. And that means more job, more job, more job, you know. And so, but the American dream is one that you can come from Somebody like myself, I'm working 13 years without a paycheck. But first job was 20 cents per hour and still made it to where we're at today. And still able to not to be bitter between races or people. And because I still stay focused in terms, we all human beings. And once we can get together, then it's going to be a better Chicago. And I want nobody ever sidecracking with that. Let's talk about some of the people that are running now for mayor. And some are running for president. And I have to ask you, there's, I don't even want to deal with J.B. Pritzker, okay, because. He's letting the bears leave and he doesn't have anything to say, but blah, blah, blah. But what about Rahm Emanuel? He's out there. He wants to be seen as a leader, Democratic leader. What do you think of him, especially? I saw a CBS. Did a big story on him the other day. They talked about his bike riding, how wonderful he is, and they then mentioned one name.

I always tell people to look, if it's in business or in politics, look to be, look for what is not said. What is, what are they trying to stay away from? And the one thing the CBS reporter did not mention was the name Laquan McDonald. Now, how do you see Rahm Emanuel running for? office next year, the year after that, and not being able to address Laquan McDonald's. What happened? What do your views on that? Well, my views would have he not going to be a president, in my opinion, of the United States, because you're right, you've got to deal with the Laquan McDonald's. He covered that up. and didn't want anything to get out there. Right. When you practice in doing wrong, you can never get nothing right, period. You know, these guys take in, make their deal, and because, like, they just here, and they just, it's not good for the city or not good for the country. And I always tell people, look, don't get so discouraged. out here, when you see all these people doing wrong, just roll of your sleeves, and you can beat them. You know, you can become, yeah, whatever, absolutely right. And, John, do you know, today I, I mean, we work 16-hour days down in Louisiana. I worked you're 16 hour days now and don't even have to work. I worked 16 hours days down. Well, you were a kid working 16 hours days plowing with that mule Mr. Charlie. And my father worked 16 hour days plowing with a mule named Truman. And I think both of you guys made it okay. You didn't want to be jealous of other people. You didn't want to take what they had. You talked about working hard yourself, improving yourself, sharpen the steel. And you did it. And my father did it. And that's why I see these communists getting together using politics to steal from people, to steal from the good people. Yeah. They take politics as they use it as a club to take your stuff. Yeah. I don't know. That's what I feel. You've got a point there. And that is true. I'm in agreement with you on that. 100%. You know, I mean, like, but the policy is so bad until people don't want to come out and vote. They don't see no reason for it. When people get into office, then they lie, and they steal money. And when they get out, I think the past mayor way back from Lifewood, dealing with some contract now, I guess we're probably a ballet or casino and got one decline or something. I don't know how to do that's what I heard. But even as such is that when you take then working for the tax payer, you should be committed to the citizen.

and not have a conflict of interest and take, then, short-chain the citizen, you know. And then they make all these deals, the pharmaceutical company, make all these deals, somebody in government, then they give more people the business in the health industry. When they get out, they become consultants. You know, you've got to draw the line somewhere here. Yeah, I agree. And so people lost hope. People are, people have lost hope. And they don't want to vote no more. 20% are the probably coming out and vote. Come on, you know. Oh, sure. That's a, that's a, unfortunately, a hill that nobody seems to be able to overcome. I mean, it's always around that number. But, Dr. Wilson, so you've run for a lot. You mentioned it before. You keep running until the good Lord tells you not to, including, you know, a shot for mayor. This mayor is your fourth time around, Senate, president, that type of thing. What do you say to those who come out and say, well, you know, he's just trying to keep himself in the know and he's going to play spoiler and that kind of stuff? What do you say to those people? Well, I think Davey, I have with you. I think they mentally ill. And the reason I say that is because they ain't got nothing that better to do. Yeah. I give away, I give away, you know that those gas give away everything, and we don't have one next week. It's a 21st time, 21 time we've done these here. And look, we don't even write that off. We don't even write that off. People say, well, you give it away, we write out. No, we don't write it off. You know, people say, isn't doing this here just to get vote. No, we went to chicken this, but I'll try and get votes 20, 30 years ago, doing the same thing. Now, it's come down to being a spoiler. Well, everybody's entitled to do what they feel they want to take them do. All right. So what gives them a right is say, I'm a spoiler. I have a right to run like they do. They can look at what they do. They're a spoiler from the people around them because they don't want to work. I hold a good job. But they ain't got no money at a holiday to pay their bill, but they feel complaints. Or they don't, when people haul up a gasoline and they can't get their kids to work because they ain't got no gas, I go out and give them money, and they just didn't complain. And they don't even put a one penny in that they help somebody. So I call it a good case of mentally ill. You want to look at mental illness? Think of all the people that are running for mayor now who've criticized you. Think of how many of them have called or sent signals to Willie Wilson saying, can I have some campaign money, Dr. Wilson? Can I run for office? Can you help me? I mean, how many checks have you written for them? Unreal. There was one lady that said I didn't know how to talk, and they ended up.

And when she did it, and when she first brought it out, and he can't talk, did this and that. And I told her, I signed the front of my check, and she signed the back of hers. Right? So that's a big, big difference. Years later, she came back, and she had to ask me for some money and help her save, you know, pay some bills. Now, I gave it to her. But I gave it to her, and I didn't want to do it, but because of my faith, I'm compelled to do right regards to whoever did me wrong. And that I gave it to, you know, and because I refuse to be part of bitterness. You didn't even doing this or doing that. And by the way, today, in case you don't know, it took me 76 years to do it, but I finally have now can say I do all of the 10 Command Man. I ain't going to get off it. There are a hundred to me skeletons in your closet that we don't know about, and it seems like you're a stand-up guy. I do want to broach something because Paul Valis is a regular guest here, and you know Paul. And there are people who were supportive of Paul and kind of felt that if your tranche of that 9% of votes in the last election maybe sank him and kept him from really running away with it, would you, I mean, how do you, how do you, Bridge that gap. How do you get those people on board with you who've made it feel slighted? Well, I think, well, first of all, let me say this by Paul Ballard. Paul Ballard is a good human being from my perspective. He's a nice, good human being. I have a lot of respect for him. You know, he cares about education. He's a natural-bone person that simply care about people, you know, the people who say in us, you know, slighted ABC, this, this and that. Because, you know, I took a lot of heat from the community, yes, because I supported Paul Ballard over this mayor here, Mayor Johnson. And I got a lot of slack from that. And I said, but no, I said, look, the mayor you got right now. They're not going to do it. I'm supporting 12 hours. And I did that. Took a lot, a lot of complaint against me from the particular African American community. But I told the African American community, all Chicago, I am, I am African American or black, I am white, I'm Latina, I'm all color people, and I'm going to support who I want to support. And I stuck my ground. And I will do that. I refuse to get into, I'm a spoiler, taking this over here. No, no. Our blood is all red. And I've never seen a human being yet. And y'all can tell me if y'all haven't seen him, that they didn't have red blood. If they didn't, it didn't last long, that's for sure.

Let's talk about some of the other candidates in the race. What about, what do you, I mean, I see some of them hardworking people are like Spunky. I see Susanna Mendoza loving the city. She's a little spunky. I admire that. And Maria Pappas, because I want to, you know, say something nice about a Greek person running, but not Alexi. And I have to ask you, what is your assessment of these folks, Pappas and Susanna? Well, at first of all, I called out everybody who was running for office president and passed. particularly now, running for two jobs at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Maria Papett, I really like Maria Papert. She's a little upset with me now because I... She said she's going to run, and she's working already. So I said, look, nobody should run to have two jobs running for another office, right? But I got my real Papua have been very nice. I think she's a nice personality. I thank Suzanne and Mendoza and all the rest of them put together. Here's what I... I suggest everybody. If you don't have any money, you may want to consider taking then, um, um, um, not getting into dumping, um, or, you're saving. You see what I'm saying? I mean, my home comes first. I'm going to take care of my family first before I jump out there. Um, I, so I, I recommend that. You ought to consider having at least a minimum amount of money to get your name out there. But if you cannot afford it or you don't want to lose it, you want to borrow it from, not borrow it, but ask for other people to donate to you, well, you know, then you're not a mayor to the citizen. First, you are a mayor to the special interest. First. Yeah. So I got some problem with that. If I didn't have the money myself, I wouldn't run. I'll just hang out. If I couldn't afford to lose it, then I wouldn't get out there. I wouldn't expose myself that way out there, you know. But I have a record. If anybody can check my record, we've been given for last 30, 40, 50 years plus. And it's all on tape or video, whatever we do. And so you should have a good rapport on your pad to work.

but not just talking about helping people, but you should have a proven record. And you should have a good bank account that doesn't put your famine at risk, but also it doesn't put the citizens of Chicago second. All of them. Good points. I mean, it almost so sounds like you have to have enough money or get to a certain wealth status to run for office in that world. Well, you're going to do one and two things. If you don't, then you are a mayor to the people. You'll bet you introduce first. And it says to the second. Well, you don't want to start borrowing money for people that are not in politics like Alexi's friend, Jaws Jureango. that would cause you some problems. I wouldn't, I wouldn't advise, and I wouldn't advise borrowing a lot of money to him. Or lending him. In that case, and that she newly is, it says, Dr. Wilson, I would ask you to, you know, we're without a police chief in the city now. And it sounds like. Johnson may try to push it through and get one, you know, put somebody in office for the end of this term. What would you look for? Who would you look for if that, you win and you need somebody, you want to put somebody new in that position, or it remains open until you win. Yeah, if, if, uh, well, so someone, I'm hearing my, my, my standing for anybody who run for office mayor or city Chicago here and this answer here, would you look for a person that you're going to, don't have principal, integrity, uh, hard work background, a proven record. Um, you, you, you, you, check them out. I, I, I hire people. And when I hire people, we do all their background check. When I, when I go over into China, they do my background check. I go to Cairo, Egypt. They do my background check. And if I'm coming up on there and that is not right, then I can't get in those countries. You shouldn't be able to get into a seat. a politician unless you check the record, make sure the principal are there for the people itself. You know, I'm a farm believing in that because... That way you work in some of an establishing of a foundation, a foundation of they're going to last, outlast, anything else. Otherwise, that you destroy it, you know? Yeah, I get that. I mean, you want to have a credible person, but I'm talking more strategically. Are you looking, would you look for somebody who is looking more on the technology sign, leading more heavily on technology? I mean, are you looking for someone who's?

going to more of like a military aspect to kind of control things. Would you look to somebody who's not afraid to bring in the National Guard? I mean, is there anything that you, because you, I mean, you, you're in the streets all the time. You talk, see you talking to people who are shaking hands all the time in some of the worst parts of the city? What do you think people in those parts of the city would want from a police chief? Well, I think from a police chief, they're talking about smelling. He was a hell of a nice guy. Absolutely. You know? Yeah, and look what happened. Now he's gone. He couldn't take Todd Johnson. That's the real reason. You're right. That's absolutely right. All right. You know, people are good rapport. What would you want in your house and spend a night in your house with your family if you didn't check them out with a good record? You wouldn't want that. But, you know, people who, look, you don't have to have, okay, look. People ask me this here. If I walk up and come today and ask for a job, they say, what, my background, I'm a chair dropper, and I am a chair dropper, one day in the eighth grade, completely the seventh grade, they're not going to give me a job. But if they checked my record... And they would pick me. Yeah, right, resume, right. They would select me over some of these others that don't have that quality. And I always say this to people in church. They say, I said, well, I got BA. Well, the other people got regular BA, and I said, well, my BA is born again. And so. That out trumps everything else. That born again means you treat the neighbor right. You work hard. You do things. But now you put other people in position. You don't have to know everything. But you look, I put people in position. I'm not an accountant, but I hire an accountant. I'm not a lawyer. I hire a lawyer. What I have is the born-again aspect, but I got common sense. Common sense. That's a good common sense. What does common sense tell you about the judges in Cook County and the attitude they have toward locking people up who deserve it? And there seems to be political credit given to judges if they don't lock a man up because we don't want to put black men in prison or something like that, even though they deserve it. Those individuals who deserve to be separated from us. What do you do with that? If you commit a crime, you should be held accountable for it. Period. All right. Now, I go to Cook County Jail three, four times a year, and I see those young men and young ladies. Ninety-some percent of them are African-American and Latin. All right? And so I put on their book, all of them, I put money in $35,000, $0,000, whatever it is on the book, for every person in there to have money to buy toothpaste or whatever they want to buy. I go in there. But here's the thing that takes me back. Some of the people ask me, hey, say, look, I don't even know why I'm even in here. And some of those people are in there.

uh, in jail, and haven't even had a crowd. I mean in that six months, a year, or whatever may be, haven't even had a crowd and just sitting there, you know? And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, just, just put them in there. I wouldn't want my daughter or my son if they're going to be in there, but you, you, and didn't do nothing, just somebody pick them up. This system is broke. You need reform. And then here's the other thing. Some of the young men and young ladies in some kind of the jail was asking me, and they said, I'm getting out. And I said, oh, when are you getting out? I'm getting out in eighth of month. And I said, really? So I asked a guy who was, are they really getting out? And he said, Dr. Well, they don't understand. They're getting out of a kind of jail, but they're getting sent to the major prison down in downstate. Or they ship in the privatized prison. They don't even know. That is a shame. And on top of that... The kid come down to see them, and their spouse will come down and see them. They don't even have money to take them to catch a bus to get down there. So I told them guys, I told them, look, have all of them a loved one come down here. I'm going to give all of them some money. I gave them all the hundred bucks apiece so they can come and see their loved one. All right? You have to have compassion out here. You know, the judges need to be reformed. Need to be reformed. I mean, when I was trying to get the people out missing me to nonviolent because of this just as reason I'm talking about now. But we were down the state, I said, look, guys, these guys over here is missing me in a nonviolent. Somebody took them around a red light and couldn't pay for their ticket and went to jail. Okay, somebody took some bread, some candy, and now they've been in here six months of a year, all right? Missing me a nonviolent. Right. So I go, I said, so we need to change this. And so a few of the lawyers I were talking to down in the Springfield came over and now, we can't do this because if we let them out, I don't get my money to get that $100, whatever it was, or $200 for a public defender. in the pocket. And some of the politicians said, well, we let that happen. Our budget is cut, and our budget is based on these people here and jail. We can't let them out. We don't support it. And I said, I'll be down. You know, here's my impression. You're excused. Well, we have to, I agree with you, Mr. Wilson, to be compassionate because the Lord...

asked us to be, and he was, to all the people, including the thief on his left and right. But I also think about people like Bethany McGee, that poor young girl burned alive on the CTA, and Lawrence Reed, who... poured gasoline on her and lit her on fire and said, burn, bitch, burn, excuse my language. And he had 72 prior arrests. So it's not all, you know, I got, I had a parking ticket and they threw me in prison. These are bad men who are being let loose. You have to hold them accountable. Those kind of situation would be, you've got to hold them accountable. You've got to understand this, too, now. I had a 20-year-old son that was shot and killed. Yeah, I do. You know, yeah. You know, so, uh-uh, you commit a crime. You'll be held accountable. What? And if we're going to become here at the Chicago, when it comes to the whole situation, you're going to be held accountable, you know. Uh, I, I didn't think they look. I would take the handcuffs off the police. And what I mean, what about taking the handcuff off of police? I'm taking out of content. But I mean, look, if somebody hit somebody in the head and they can't chase them, that, that, that's, to me, is a situation there. that is too much too tight. You know, that young lady that was on that that were burned there, I mean, I felt compassion for. I even called down at the hospital and want to just go down and do something whatever I could do and say. Of course, they didn't want me to come, of course, and I didn't go because they wanted to own privacy and everything. But that young man, if they had all the records, should not have been let out. Period. And, uh, you don't yet do that and let somebody out, you know, you're used in common sense, you know? Well, that's why I'm talking about the judges because the one person who puts those judges in that spot is Tony Precklinkel, chairman of the Cook County Democratic Party. And, uh, I hold her a counter. I, I, I, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, and, you, and, you, and, you, and, and, it's, you, you, you, you, And look, MacCath, I dream with you 100% about her. She should be held accountable. And anybody that's in the opposition, look, we got laws on the book. And we must enforce them. We must enforce them with common sense. If somebody's going to shoot somebody, you have to have accountable.