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Oh, well, I think what you said is so true. I mean, sitting there watching that, I mean, I think I texted you a couple of times. I was hoping you were watching it too. I was. I sat there and I thought he's lost his marbles and he's running the world and we're in the middle of a war and who knows what he could do. I was thinking to myself, I wish more people would watch it. because they would see for themselves how deranged he is. But I think most people didn't watch. It was a Friday night. They had much better things to do this. So let's play. We're going to play some sound. Here he is. Kaitlan Collins from CNN received one of the awards a Saturday night for her reporting on his Oval Office meeting with Volodymyr Zelensky. Here's what Trump had to say about Kaitlan Collins a little bit later in the evening. It's a fake. She shouldn't get the award. It was a fake. But I didn't mind. I said, Caitlin, congratulations. But it was fake. There's no question about it. But she's a young, attractive woman. She never smiles. I said, Caitlin, do you ever smile? Smile. You have a nice position. You're at CNN fake news. You should be a happy person. So smile, Caitlin. Just smile. But we attack, and I thought Caitlin had really made it big with a major new sponsorship. But then I informed her that it wasn't her. on the but light can. It was Dylan Maldane. He is one of the most nauseating creatures, not just presidents, people who has ever lived. And by the way, at that moment, and you know, ordinarily when we talk about courage, we say what we have done in the circumstance, let me just say this as clearly as I can say it. If I was a colleague of Kaitlan Collins working at CNN or not, the second she made that comment, I would have stood up. and walked out of the damn room. The fact that the press stood there to listen to this guy do an hour of demeaning, disgusting comments about elected officials and their colleagues. Let's play another one. Here's a clip of Trump pretending he's stopping a heckler from the audience at the same dinner, and he allegedly is defending the governor of Illinois, J.B. Pritzker, against that non-existent heckler. Here he is. Sir, in the back, don't call him a fat pig, okay? I'm sticking up for him. Don't call him you. You can't do that, sir. You can't call J.B. Pritzker a fat pig, please. All right? Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Everyone's trying to figure out who is that guy, does he exist? But the nice part is when you do that, the press can't get you. Because I'm defending a man. This guy is the president of the United States. And by the way, that was just 60 seconds, those two sound bites out of an hour of nauseating comments. He went after Obama, of course, as always, Barack Hussein, Obama, went after Bruce Springsteam. He went after late-night home. Elan O'Marcia, get out of our country, our country. Gavin Newsom, he always calls him New Scum instead of Gavin Newsom, Jimmy Kimmel, late-night people. I mean, it was just deranged. And then you see the headline. And, you know, I used to work at the Boston Globe. I love the Boston Globe. Globe. But this headline in the Boston Globe does not begin to capture it. At correspondence dinner, Trump jokes that he will run for a third term. How about NPR? NPR headline. The show must go on in quotes. Trump makes jabs at rescheduled White House correspondence dinner. I mean, again, if you don't read Margaret Dan Sullivan or subscribe to his subset. Here's the headline. This is Margaret Dan Sullivan, the headline. The predictable disgrace of the White House correspondence dinner. And that's what it was.

And she's right that by downplaying the insanity of this, we make him look like he's sane washing as the term she's using it so right. There's something normal about it. It was insane and demented. And I just, like I said, I just... Monstrosity is what Chip Costa called it too. You know, part of what she says is the press goes because they say not out of respect for him, but respect for the institution. And she writes in her subsection, let's try a small thought experiment. Should respect for the institution of marriage mean that an abused ex-wife should insist that her former husband be invited to say the annual July 4th family party? I mean, it is grow. And again, put yourself in the same position. You're at a dinner or an event or a colleague of yours. We either work with him or her or you just know them from work is demeaned by the boss, the CEO, the whatever. If you just sit there politely. And their great protest was to not applaud. I mean, that is frankly, as far as I'm concerned, not enough. If you chose to invite him, which was a huge mistake, as Margaret Dan Sullivan says, then the least you have to do is stand by your colleagues. And none of them did. The number is 877301.8970 is the number. Here's some texts. We are obviously frogs in boiling water because the country is cooked. And here's Carla from Seattle. here. She says it was completely baffling and uncomfortable to watch journalists. She says Washington Post. Actually, it was the Wall Street Journal who came up to the podium to accept an award for the Epstein files reporting shake Trump's hand. He shook everybody's hand. They all shook his hand. I don't fault them, by the way, at all. They answer, I thought it was demeaning the Trump. Wolf Blitzer is announcing the awards. He, to his credit. He announces them in the most dramatic but honest ways. It did. And each of the stories. The cartoon, it was the one that had the cartoon of Trump where the signature was on, the naked woman cartoon. Yeah, and the guy who took the photograph from the guy passed out in the Oval Office and Trump's staring for, get it. They were, I thought it was courageous since they got the awards to actually go over and shake the hand of the guy who they were describing in their photographs and their pieces. They were not the problem. The problem were people sitting in the audience. who the organization that invited him and people just sitting there doing nothing. But we should point out for that story that they won the big award, the Epstein stuff, Trump sued them the Wall Street Journal for $10 billion. And it's very, I mean, I've said this a million times, but it's very interesting. Then a Wall Street Journal owned by Rupert Murdoch has been merciless on Trump. That's a very good point. Meanwhile, Fox News, also owned by Rupert Murdoch, has been defensive or evading Trump's worst actions. Can we play one more soundbite before we get to the Coles? to get down. Here he is making his usual insults directed at now Senator from California, Adam Schiff. He's a terrible person. He's a liar. And I called him watermelon head because he is the largest head I've ever seen with the smallest neck, pencil neck. How does that big, fat, ugly head stand on a little pencil pencil?

Pencil neck. Let me say it again. That guy is the president of the United States. He represents everybody listening to this show right now. And the people in the media who you read, who you subscribe to, who you pay to get coverage of, sat there as Trump did and said what did he did. You know, and think about this. If you were at a company meeting and your boss got up and talked about somebody's big fat, one of your colleagues, big fat ugly head with a pencil neck. or somebody being a big fat pig, you would say the boss has lost his mind. Virtually none of the coverage, by the way, mentioned that point. That's a really, really important point. Even the coverage that was good that accurately described how out of control and disgusting Donald Trump was failed to mention. Oh, and you also mentioned me this morning. He slept through half of the dinner. He slept. How about mentioning that also? Yeah, he was asleep. We know a lot of you didn't see it, but you at least heard some of the sound. He woke up, Jim, when he gave his own speech. the first beginning of the show, he was sleeping. 877301, 8970, Sophia and Boston. Hi. Hi. I'm from Westfield. Normally with Trump, he's like a child. So we have basically play with him. And someone who is a woman and those sexes comments, we're not okay. Honestly, the PR needs to get better because it's unacceptable from a point of view of journalists who've worked so hard over the years. Yeah, well, I don't think it's a question of PR. It's a question of you can respect the institution, but when the man who fills the position behaves in such appalling fashion, there's got to be some response, and there wasn't. Everybody just sat there. I think they thought they were doing something really brave by not applauding. And in my opinion, I think Marjorie was not enough. Sophia, thanks for the call. 877301.89. By the way, I was worked into a frenzy over this thing. Thank God I could text you. late Friday night that he is speaking. And it was just... And he always also even worse. He actually made one good joke. He said something about how the... I'll read it. I'm not even going to play it. He says, I hope everyone got to enjoy the entire delicious beef tenderlo. It's a very special beef. I want you all to know that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. right here personally ran over the cow with his car. It was funny, actually. It was funny. But... A lot of the coverage said, well, he decried violence in politics, even though, by the way, he's encouraging violence in politics and celebrates it. And he made one funny joke, but they go on to say. It's not but. The primary thing he did was insult every single person he's got a problem with. 877301.89. Again, Margaret Dan Sullivan characterized it beautifully. She's on Substack, by the way. She doesn't want to read her. She doesn't want to run the Guardian, but this was from Substack. Former New York Times, former Washington Post. She said, said he let loose a hate-filled, hate-filled rant aimed at journalists and his political enemies and anybody else who has failed to suck up to him at every moment or support his lawless regime. And, I mean, it's true. And they can ask themselves, I mean, I hope they're doing some soul searching over there. This is, he's good. be there next year too. Well, he said he was coming back next year. And by the way, while he mentioned Iran in the end in passing, did he mention the members of the service who lost their lives in the prior week? Of course not. I mean, it was as nauseating an hour plus. You know what I realize, I'm not sure I've ever watched a Trump speech from beginning to end. When he first ran in 2015, 2016, I watched.

excerpts and I watch parts of live speeches. I don't know if I ever saw a whole speech and, uh, uh, And I want to change my – everybody should watch Trump. And remember we were discussing last week whether or not the media should have – the mainstream press should have covered the speech he gave that Thursday night, that national speech. In retrospect – and my position was it's far better because he lies to play excerpts. People should watch a speech in real time and do fact-checking afterwards because it's the only way you get the full impact of where he's coming from. James in the car – I'm sorry. Before he gives a James in the car, I just must point out that we are getting a couple of text messages. I know. I shave my head. I've been one to do it for 30. Here's one. She's in your corner, Jim. She says, I'm a single, I'm 60 on multiple dating apps, writing to weigh in on men shaving their head. Balding is terrible, but clean, shaven bald head, very sexy. Bald beard is sexy. Ball, plus a beard is very sexy, too. Not so much without the beard. I call that look, the egg. Anyway. Okay, fine. So at 1235, we're going to be discussing it with you. Be confident gentlemen. Own it. You're being confident. I'm owning it. I'm not confident at all because you said to me, well, if you like it, I guess it's okay. Anisa in Cranston, welcome to the show. Hi. Thank you. I won't comment on your bald head, though. I'm a fan. Thank you. Well, you did already then. Go ahead. Yeah. I have been thinking about your comments of how passive the correspondence were at the dinner when Trump insulted the news media, and all they did was fail to clap. crossed my mind that they might have been instructed by their corporations not to do something as obvious as walk out because Trump would then sue the news corporations that they represented. Well, by the way, let me just say. Half of what you said, I bet is true. I bet they were instructed to have no reaction. There is no basis, not that Trump needs a bet. There's no basis for suing someone for walking out of his speech. And he doesn't mean he wouldn't do it, but there's no basis for that. And having said that even if you got those instructions, I'm really glad, Anisa, thanks for the call. I wanted to make this point earlier. You know who you often talk about courage and your response often is when I'm decrying lack of courage? And by the way, including my own. lack of courage from time to time. You often say, well, a lot of people can't afford. You know, you take a chance, you get fired.

Every single reporter in that room is prominent enough that if they got fired by their company, they'd find another job in the media. These are not reporters working for a small newspaper in West Virginia. These are the most prominent national reporters in the country. Okay. About midway through that speech, you realize how horrible this is going to be, no one would have been fired for walking out. I think the company would look so ridiculous to fire somebody for walking out when he was assailing people the way he was. and this just kind of. It was almost torture to sit there and watch. And he went on for an hour. Well, he always, I mean, it always goes on for an hour plus 877301. Here's a text. At the very least, they should have stood up and turned their backs on him as a sign of solidarity. That would have been fine. Turn your chair around. Turn your chair around. Yeah, exactly. The other thing Trump was talking about how great he has been for the press, that they're all going to be broke without him. Nobody's going to give a damn. Nobody gives a damn by anybody else except for me. This is what he's. I mean, it was, and then he talked about, he talked about how much more of a vicious speech he was going to give, but he changed his mind about giving a vicious speech. And then he went on to give a vicious speech. Well, you know, also, you just sit there and you think to yourself, you know, we've got two more years. We've got two more than two more years. Twenty-half years. What could happen in the next two years? And I'm very worried because you read about how the Democrats have got like zero money. They're like $2 million in the hole. And the Republicans have got something. $128 million. Yeah. So I'm a little concerned about the ability to spend money on ads at the rate at the rate the Democrats are going. Because again, if the Democrats don't at least get the House. No, it's really scary. Who knows? It's really scary. What could happen? Actually, we have a call that isn't breaking up, apparently. Kate, you're calling from Connecticut. Fingers crossed. Welcome to the show. Hi. Yes, thank you. Many years ago, I was a guest at the correspondence dinner back when the media wasn't portrayed so devilishly as it is today. And for the first time in many years, I did not watch the correspondence dinner this year because I anticipated exactly what was going to happen. And the media was either being overly kind or naive and believing it would go any other way. Well, that's probably true. And Margaret Dan Sullivan's point is, I think I said this earlier, is he shouldn't have been invited to begin with. Respect for the institution doesn't equate with normalizing the person who fills the seat in the institution. Kate, thanks for the call. And let me be clear, because Kate reminds me. The subpoenas gets a near time, by the way, were all thrown out. The New York Times. They withdrew.

They was true. Oh, I thought they were thrown out. No, they was true. Regardless, they still issued subpoena. One of the guys to Tyler, whatever his name is, who won the award for something, was one of the New York Times reporters who was subpoenaed by the White House, and he's taken the stage there. It was just, but let me just say, and I should have, and I think I speak for Marjorie here too, most of the reporters who were being critical of are fabulous, fabulous at their day job. Do really strong, excellent. reporting. All I'm reflecting. And also most of the people in the room who you recognize are terrific. The Wall Street Journal reporters, Andy Linsky, we've been on the show many times. Former Boston Globe before she went to the Washington Post and then the Wall Street. And by the way, Annie Linsky, the beauty of this, do you remember, Annie Linsky was the first person to write a story in the mainstream press about how Joe Biden was losing it? That's right. She was eviscerated for having done it. And it turns out she had told the truth. And it happened. So I'm about to give advice that I guess. is maybe I'll give cautiously. I would watch at least a chunk of the Trump speech if you have any doubt that this man is as disgusting and unable to carry out the duties of this office as we contend he is. Check them out. watch as much as you can handle and then maybe send us a text. Okay. By the way, we have some great music coming up at noon from Tiny Habits. Oh, unbelievably great music. So other than the mood that we said at the beginning of the show, there are great things. And we have a detailed discussion about Jim Shaved Head. That's coming about 1230. I don't know how detailed it's going to be a discussion. It's going to be a discussion. Coming up to have this quick break, our food policy analyst, Corby Cumber, and the latest cyclo-spora twist. That's that horrible disease people. we're getting. Can we eat lettuce? Can we eat raspberries? Arugula. Jim just stuffed himself with cilantro on the way back. No, I didn't. I cut. I chopped it and then I didn't eat it. You chopped it. Thank God. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't want to shave his head. Maybe I was. I'm Marjoriegan. He's in Houston. Brow. You rubbed on my head. I rubbed cilantro over my head. I didn't want to waste it. Yeah. Green spots in the back. Small green spots, but the camera luckily is down. Okay. You know, this is BPR and GBIH NEPM. Streaming at YouTube.com slash GBIH News. Psychospora is next. I'm Marjorie. And Houston Bride. I'll be right back.

Welcome back to BPR and GBM, Marjorie Egan and Jim Browdy, streaming YouTube.com slash GBAH News. Tomorrow we joined on Zoom from Europe by Ken Casey, leader of the dropkick Murphys. We'll talk about his tour there and his tour of an ICE detention facility a month or so ago in New Jersey. Wednesday live from the library 11 to 12. Governor Healy joins us. Join now in Zoom by Corby Cummer, Executive Director of the Food and Society Policy Program at the Aspern Institute, senior editor at the Atlantic and a senior lecture at Tufts Friedman School of Nutrition, Science and Policy. Hey, Corby. Jim, I am staying on until the shaved head discussion is entirely run to ground. What do you think? Be honest. You can be honest. I can take it. I will grow your hair back, but you asked. Okay. That's two. Because he's got a beard. That's the look. You have the receding hair line. You have the beard. That's the look. But Jim has gone, whole hog. And it's all gone. It's all gone. It's all gone. It's all gone. Thank you for that. Temporarily, we hope. Okay. We know where Kirby stands on this one. Okay. All right. So, Corby, I was dying to talk to you today. I mean, the cyclospora thing is really scary. We don't know. Can we eat? Jim just bought a bunch of cilantro, rubbed it on his head. No, I actually threw it out right after I bought it. I didn't realize he was on the list. I thought arugula was okay, spinach was okay, kale was okay. Now I don't know. What do we do here? A couple of things you can do. First, you can follow the practice that a friend who family was from Turkey and whose twin sister lived for years in Turkey always did. And when we were visiting her at the old Filene's basement now, the beautiful, gorgeous Millennium Tower, she simply added white vinegar to the salad spinning water. She had just been to the farmer's market in Somerville, I think. and had beautiful greens. I mean, we completely trust them. But still, just as a practice, usually in countries where there's any doubt, everyone will wash their greens in a solution of like two parts, white vinegar to one part water and then rinse it again. And that helps kill a lot of microbes. Not all of them, but it's a standard practice. And then you dry it off. I think that maybe somebody in your own studio was saying I had a grilled romaine salad. Zoe, Zoe had a grilled romaine salad. Zoe said, Zoe Matthews said, I couldn't stand the warm. I love grilled lettuce. I love grilled lettuce. I love cooked lettuce. So I want Zoe to get used to it. But how about the problem? Where's this going to? By the way, the best story of the whole day by far. The New York Post has a story about how a Whole Foods market, I guess in New York, is selling Taylor Farms lettuce. That's the alleged source.

for 50% off and the headline is half the price, all the diarrhea, which is a pretty good line. So what is the status of the investigation? Are we 100% clear that it's Taylor Farms? What's the deal? Oh, absolutely not. It could be a bunch of other wholesalers. They probably grew their lettuce in central. Mexico, Whole Foods, which seem to be ridiculous and cynical, at least said Taylor Farms has very clearly stated in all of its public announcements that anything grown in the U.S. has not been the subject of investigation. It was only Taylor Farms Day, Mexico, which only sold wholesale, did not even sell on supermarket shelves. But because FDA and CDC keep releasing new subjects of investigation, sometimes saying what those companies are, usually saying what they're not, it's cast all salad greens into doubt. So there's nothing that is saying Taylor Farms of the U.S. is absolutely fine. But what I want to add always is Michigan does have thousands and thousands of cases. Michigan also has the best... most highly staffed disease investigating team in the United States, left over from COVID and because they're a state that believes in spending them on public health. One of the reasons we're hearing so much about that state is because the other states departments have been decimated by budget cuts. So Taylor Farms way out front because they're responsible and when anything was linked to them, they immediately were called. Taco Bell called up their friends in the White House and said, remember how many millions we gave to your campaign? We want you to hold that announcement until you're absolutely sure. You know, these companies and states that are doing the right thing, we think it's all confined to them. It isn't. But wait a saying, isn't the problem, when you mentioned that the disinvestment in disease investigations stuff, the feds are... leading the pack. Well, they're talking this story about the U.S. Department of Agriculture got rid of its micro. biological criteria for foods. And then they talk about all the other thing they've laid off. They've laid off people. The food safety inspection service lost 913 jobs. The food and nutrition service lost 564 jobs. They talk about more than 20,000 workers have been fired under Doge, I guess. And that's part of the problem here for detecting these outbreaks. You bet it is. And the administration is saying, oh, we're just as robust as we were before. It's a lie with tens of thousands, more than 20,000 workers from USDA left last year, all the people specifically, you just mentioned, for example, they were about last year when they all had to quit.

to release new guidance on cyclospora, our friend. So it was entirely predictable that these things would happen and that the feds would be caught short-handed as they are, even though they're claiming that they're just as well-staffed for cyclospora investigations. They're not. It's a lot. Corby, one thing I either misheard or I don't understand is you said that one of the states that is in best shape in terms of... Disease investigation is Michigan, but you also said the most cases are in Michigan. How do those two things intersect? They go together very well because they have the staff to investigate and count the number of cases. Oh, so there may be many more cases. Lower cases in other states, but they don't have the staff or the ability to count or to trace them. Well, that's like Trump, do you remember Trump's great line? We'd have fewer... COVID cases if we were doing less testing. That was the way he figured that we could solve that problem. So the reasons it's not lower numbers elsewhere is because we don't have the infrastructure that they do. It might be both, but we don't know. And I just have to put it a plug and say they've cut the count of food insecurity every year. And so they've cut the absolute gold standard primary number to know how many people are going hungry and don't know if they can get enough food month to month. They cut it out so that they don't have to know the bad news or share it. We're talking to Corby Comer. So the bottom line is that if we're going to be eating leafy greens, we have to wash them very well. And you talked about that two parts of vinegar and one parched water or cook them. Or we can just eat corn. Right. Do you eat corn. I love corn. Yeah, corn is coming into its own. I had a corn omelet for breakfast, actually. Corn omelet for breakfast. I did. So Corby, I never heard. Go to the farmer's market. That's a very good point. Yeah, go to the farmer's market. We have one tomorrow right outside the Boston Public Library. I am part of the CSA from Red Fire Farm in Western Mess. Grand B. Mess. So, Corby, I never heard of surveillance pricing at supermarkets. Now that I've heard of it, I'm disgusted. New Jersey is outlawed. Massachusetts has a bill pending that apparently is going nowhere. What is surveillance pricing? It is a way that supermarkets can pretend that they're going to give you discounts based on your previous purchases because they don't like you so much. But what they're really doing is tracking how much money you're willing to pay for raspberries or for peanut butter or for Prego tomato sauce. And then they will charge you the top of the line because you were willing to pay it before. So they are somehow able when you get to the register. And I think it only happens. I don't think that they've got monitors in every aisle, although we certainly read about Amazon installing those in Whole Foods. I think it's when you enter your loyalty card or barcode at the register, hoping you're going to get terrific discounts. You might also get very much higher prices that are going to obliterate all those discounts you think you're getting.

Well, let me ask my usual naive question about legislation. Why would any state not ban this in one second, as fast as they can draft the bill, because the grocery market industry is so powerful? Is that the only reason? First is so powerful. Second, because every story both you and I read about surveillance pricing is ambiguous and mysterious. Like how are they actually tracking it? How many stages are it going on in? When does it happen? Everybody's unclear on it, but New Jersey has already banned it. And there's this bill you were saying isn't going anywhere in Massachusetts. Maryland and Connecticut, they enacted laws to protect consumer privacy. So it's about privacy. I think we should all be getting up in arms about it as we learn more specific facts, which are a little hard to come by right now. So Zoroamandami is the new mayor of New York City. He's been very popular so far on New York City. Trump doesn't like him. Has he called him a communist? I think he called him a communist. He's called him a communist. Yeah, I thought so. But anyway, communists are not a communist. He's not a communist. He's not a communist. He's opening these grocery stores. And he's talking about how they're going to have 30% discounts in the cities run grocery stores on things like meat, seafood, pasta, bread, yogurt, butter, nuts, rice, and beans. other stuff at regular price, but give people the basics. And I know other stores don't like this idea, but with the crisis... I don't think Corby liked this idea either when Zohran Mamdani was running. Am I right about this? Yeah, I was saying I don't think cities should be in the grocery business because it's so hard to make a margin. But what I think now is I understood, as I didn't know then, that it was all going to be in city-owned buildings so they wouldn't have to pay rent. Right. It's a huge part of the overhead that keeps margins down for food markets and supermarkets. Apparently a lot of the problems of the Boston wonderful chain from Doug Rao, which was Today Table. Was that the name of it? Daily table. A daily table, thank you. It was great. It was very expensive real estate leases that they signed. Okay, so if Zohran Mamdani really has found the solution from city-owned buildings that aren't good enough shape to use, and he might put in city money so that the subsidized prices, they're lower because the city has decided to spend money on and subsidized produce, then he could put the rest of the country to shame. So I would love this experiment to work. Because aside from tough talk about ultra-processed food, what the administration has to be doing now, besides putting in regulation and laws that really will reduce the amount of ultra-processed food, is subsidizing.

fresh produce and meat so that people can have the better food that the administration is calling for them to do and learn how to cook it and the administration that's what we might be talking about cut all of the education out of the snap program for no reason yeah i want to talk about that was effective it And we should point out that what he's subsidizing is the basics so that you would, you know, I said before, rice, beans, yogurt, you know, nuts, produce, so that he's not subsidizing like potato chips and things like that. We should add one more thing to that, though, for the people who say, why isn't my local mayor, if I live in a big enough community, maybe a regional thing, he's only opening one up front in the Bronx, and he is pledging that by end of his first term, so that's three plus more years, there'll be one per borough. point is it's not an easy nut to crack, so to speak, kind of thing. No, but it's kind of nice to see somebody... It's tremendously expensive. But isn't it nice to see somebody doing what he said he was going to do, open these grocery stores and have free child care for a certain ever-growing number of two- and three-year-olds in New York City? Well, Trump brought grocery prices down on day one like you promised. So that's two guys down on the promise. Can you expand upon, for those who don't know, these nutrition education programs, the feds used to do? What are they doing? And what's the value of them when they're not being eliminated by people like Donald Trump? Well, first of all, if you tell people, go out and buy some beans, go out and get some fresh vegetables. If they are working two jobs and they have no idea how to cook them or the beans take hours, there's no chance in the world they're going to cook them. You have to tell them how. You have to see how it works into their daily lives. You have to... figure out what's the culture they grew up and where will they actually want to eat this? How can they make their kids want them? That's part of what SNAPED, which was originally funded as part of food stamps, I think, in 1968, but it didn't really get going until the 90s because Congress didn't actually put money into it until the 90s. So these education programs, they also were able to divert money from SNAPED. SNAP education, as it was called, into helping subsidize local farmers markets and food pantries and really terrific programs to get fresh produce to families that needed it. But most of all, it was this knowledge of how do I make it? How do I make it appetizing for my family? And how do I make it fit into my schedule? So it's really... It was a very comparatively low cost. I think it was $568 million a year. That sounds huge. But then Snap was $99 billion a year. This is making that money go so much farther by having people actually use the food they're buying and be encouraged to want to buy more fresh produce. And here's another thing. We were talking about you can't count it. Yeah, go ahead. No, you go ahead.

Let me make this point, though. So the feds were saying, well, you know, they weren't really reducing people's weight. It wasn't really working. So let's just stop spending money on it. Well, one of the reasons was because the original money for bad follow-up studies, counting health metrics and reduction in weight. They said, that's too expensive. That's not part of SNAP education. So now, as somebody was pointing out of the article, the Fed break something very deliberately and then say, look, it's broken. Forget it. We should walk away. So before you go away, speaking of walk away, so if you encountered, let's say, I don't know, the Rock or John Malkovich later today, after you shook their hand, would you say I'd grow your hair back as fast as I possibly could? Would you say that to Malkovich and the Rock? I might not say it, but I would think it. Well... A lot of the textures are very enthused. John from Westford, he calls all the time. He says, now that you've shaved your head, Jim, we finally have something in common. Excellent. And somebody else says, I've been married to a bald man for 20 years. He always says, God only made a few perfect heads. The rest he put hair on. So there you go. Bless them all. Corby, it's good to see you regardless. Thank you. Thank you. Corby. Comears, executive director of the Food and Society program at the Aspen Institute, a senior ed at the Atlantic, a senior lecturer at Tufts Freeman School of Nutrition Science and Policy. Thank you very much, as always. Coming up back. for this quick break, Boston Globe Business Commerce, Shirley Lung, joins us to discuss a local competitor to only fans developed in a Harvard lab and insurance costs for electric cars. Jim with the bald head, he probably knows all about that because he has electric car. A lot of men drive electric cars with bald heads. Do you know that? You need a convertible now. I'm Marjoriegan. He's Jim Browdy listening to BPR, GBAH, and NAPM, and streaming at YouTube.com slash GBH News.

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smug mug. And I think this could be a whole new iteration of the smug mug. So what's happening here is that we can't talk to Shirley? We can't talk to Shirley right now. And so when Tiny Habits sings at noon, they'll buy sing into their phones. Do you want to discuss the story if you're going to talk to Shirley about? Yeah, if you'd like to. Actually, why don't you, I didn't know this. As an EV owner, and you should be too, you should be ashamed of yourself. I know you have a hybrid and you pretend that's good enough. It's not. You can hide behind the fact you were concerned about insurance rates. No. I can't charge in my house. I can't charge in my house either. I know, well, I know what you do, Jim. Well, we don't need to discuss what I do. If I had an electric car, you know what would happen to you? What's that? You would be able to do it anymore. No, I can, by the way, I can disclose this. I charge in two places. I'll be open about this. I charge down my street. There's a city-sponsored charger. It's one of the medium-speed chargers, like 20 miles an hour. And we happen to broadcast from the Lenox Hotel. We do it, Shirley? Yeah. Jamie has an electric car. He doesn't get to charge up at the Lennox Hotel. Well, can I explain something to you? Can I understand this? Is Jamie the star of the show or is he not... I mean, oh, I'm sorry, I'm not supposed to sell. Excuse me. Take that back. Delete that from the tape, please. In any case, Jim is the star of the show, Shirley. Marjorie, let's move on. I'm kind of an accoutrement over here. Well, if you had an EV, maybe you'd be allowed to be charged from time to time, too. Okay. Now, we're joined on the phone, apparently. That should work well. By Shirley. Hi, Shirley. We haven't said, I haven't described who she is yet. She is Boston Globe Business columnist, co-author of the Always Delivered to Your Inbox, and Fabulous PowerPlay Newsletter with John Chesto and host of the Sammore podcast. And crossed my fingers. Are you actually there or not? I am. Oh, my goodness. We don't get to use Zoom. We're like, we're talking the old-fashioned way. The old-fashioned way, yeah. And you don't get to see Jim's shaved heads. You can't weigh in on the shaved head. We're going to show a picture of it later now. No, I think we will probably want. It kind of looks like Mr. Cleaned. Okay. Marjorie's so happy. She so happened. So Shirley, Jim was criticizing members of the press corps for the, I don't know if you saw the correspondence dinner on Friday night, but it was pretty bad. I mean, Trump was really horrible to people, one insult after another. He thought the press corps, at least some members of it, should have stood up and walked out. What do you think? Well, it was a very bizarre redo, right, of the court on its dinner. Our colleagues were there again, and, you know, usually everyone gets dressed out. It's full of celebrities. This time it was more of an obligatory affair.

Yeah, and I couldn't, I mean, it was a little clear to me. I mean, it seems like the insurer, I think it was Quincy Mutual, we're trying to say, no, this isn't the case. We're not, you know, we're not dropping all EVs, just some of them. And so, and I know my, when I got, I had, I had an EV, I got an EV, I got an EV two years ago and a hybrid. And my insurance did go up, but I assume it went up because these are two new cars. And the EVs and hybrids are quite expensive. So that's why my insurance went up. And so, but I can see how these cars are more expensive to repair, even though they're, you know, they're not supposed to break down as much. But I can see why. I feel like with insurance companies, they shouldn't drop you. It's okay to raise prices. If it does cost them more, just pass it along to the consumer. But it's bad news if insurers start to, you know, pick and choose which cars they're going to insure. Well, also, if the legislature shares. the state's goal of having more EVs. In fact, I think the million was the target by what was it, 2030 or something, and we're not anywhere near. It would seem to me that they would pass some legislation to either prevent this or, as you say, it's one thing to pass on the cost, maybe spread it a little more broadly. But I would assume that that risk hanging, the threat hanging over the head of some who are deciding whether they're going to buy a gas powered car or an EV may cause them to shy away from the EV. So maybe it's naive, but I think it's time for the legislature to act. We're talking to Shirley the Young. So this only fans, which I guess you would call an adult. online. Yes, you would call an adult online. Yeah, whatever. Now it's got this competition. Platform, yeah. Now it's got this competition for something called mini stars, another adult platform, which I guess has links to Harvard, a Harvard Innovation Lab. So what's the deal with this mini stars? Yeah, I think, is it mini or minch stars? Oh, I'm sorry, Minch stars. So it's an adult platform with paid subscribers, and, you know, it's got a streamlined payment system for the contact creators on the platform. I mean, I was surprised this first ever heard of this platform. Me too. I was surprised that came out of Harvard Innovation Lab, though no one seems returning calls about it. Right?

Harvard just seems like it doesn't want to say anything about it, but also one of the co-founders is a woman as well. And so in the idea, and also private equity, also is news to me that private equity was, you know, investing in these platforms. And the idea is that, I guess they separate themselves from only fans is that the content creators, the women on this and other adult stars are on this platform, get a bigger cut. of the content of the proceeds. And so that's how they're different from other platforms out there. So this is just a pornography site? Is that what this is? Or is it something different? Yeah. No, I think it sounds like it's a pornography site, but it's supposed to be, I guess, more economically favorable, more financially favorable to the content creators. You get a bigger cut compared to other sites. A bigger cut, and I think I read you also. potentially own a piece of the company, obviously a very small piece. Right. You get a stake in the company, so it makes them owners. You know, I assume there's some people, you and we discussed OnlyFans briefly months ago, you didn't even know what it was. I mean, most of the content is women who generally for a small subscription fee. do naked videos and some sex videos and that sort of thing. And it is to say the least, wildly popular. I mean, like wildly popular. I guess the lead of the story talks about adult contest now hugely lucrative. So now instead of clutching their... pearls, as a lot of people in the regular business world used to do, they've decided they don't care about the reputational risk and the legal risk, and they're going in big time because the atmosphere has changed. Well, except the conventional wisdom, and I don't know if this is true with the piece about, what is it called, Mint Stars? Mint Stars suggested that the clients, the women particularly who use OnlyFans are exploited. I think they mean financially. I'm not 100% sure by OnlyFans. Right. I mean, they were saying that the women make only like 40, very small, they make like $49,000. I think that, and that's considered good, I think, right, for the folks on only fans. I was like, I thought they would be get a bigger cut. Yeah. So. Marjorie's going to check it out after the show. Well, I guess my question, though, is that I think that I thought the point of the story was that 20 years ago, you would not have so-called legit people investing in this sort of thing, and that has changed. Isn't that the point here? Like private equity, you're talking about. Right. Not only private equity, investors, but Harvard. Harvard Innovation Lab is allowing, you know, is helping the innovation in this space. Can I, I, I, every time we discuss. Everybody's into pornography as the bottom line. No, but you're making it seem like that's a recent phenomenon, which causes me to retell the story. Marjorie about, Marjorie, Shirley, about 20 years ago, we had Frank, was it Frank Bruni who wrote the piece? Who wrote the piece?

Not Frank Bruney. Frank, what is his name? Who's the guy who's the executive director of JD Vance? Butcher of Wall Street. Butcher of Broadway, not butcher of Wall Street. Oh, my God. Okay, whatever. What's his name? Can somebody look at it? Oh, he was a great column for the one time for the New York Times. This is like 20 years ago, Shirley. He writes a piece for the New York. Frank Rich, thank you, for New York Times Magazine. 20 years ago, again, saying that the income of the porn industry, and this is the beginning of the Internet, so it wasn't, that almost didn't exist. was greater than the combined revenues of the whole entertainment industry, movies, television, and sports combined. And that was around the year 2000. I mean, I don't mean to sound like, you know, an old fart here or anything like that. But there have been so much written about the damage pornography does to young children and how 12-year-old kids are up to their IT. And to the women who are involved in the industry. And the exploitation and sometimes the cruelty and stuff. It just seemed odd that... I guess that Harvard University would be innovating pornography in their Harvard Innovation Lab. I mean, am I crazy? Well, I guess this is what the story is, you know, kind of exposing that everybody is exposing how it is going mainstream. Yeah. I guess the Internet has made it more mainstream. I mean, the bottom line seems to be you can make a lot of money. Bottom line, another good one. Uh-huh. Thank you. You can make a lot of money on this. So who cares? That seems to be what. Well, there's some, I would say there's some desperation too. I mean, that's like saying prostitution where there's a real debate. You can make a lot of money. So who cares? Well, a lot of people support the industry, assuming it's regulated for sex workers. And a lot of people don't support the industry because they do care. And they think. There is exploitation in virtually every kind of way. But as you both said, if the Harvard, whatever labs are involved, I assume. Why not? Of course, they would take money from Epstein, too. So, I mean, that's not the lab. There might be an opportunity for shaved heads. Okay, Marjorie. Okay, Shirley, I think this is enough, if you know what I mean. Miss stars. Shirley, let me just say PowerPlay, if people haven't subscribed, tell them to do it. It is really, really great. How do you do it? How do you do it? Oh, Boston Globe.com. I think it's globe.com slash powerplay. It is great. You and John Chesto make it, it's very fun. And it's not just the core story to which the other one responds. They have great little nuggets of information. Yes, they do. It's really great. Okay. See you, Shirley. Be well. We've been speaking of the line Boston Globe BusinessCom's co-author. Take care. They always delivered to your inbox.

PowerPlay Newsweather with John Chesto, host of the same more podcast, which is also great. You say goodbye to those of you listening on NEPM. Thank you so much for tuning in. We're going to keep going in Boston. We're going to hear some incredible music up next. The amazing, gorgeous, tiny habits. They're fine. They're fine. They're harmony. Wonderful harmonies. They're going to perform right us. It was Studio 3. We're going to speak with Roger Brown. Foreign President of Berkeley College of Music, founder of the Salt Lake Incubator. We'll be right back with tiny habits. I'm Marjorie. He's DPR, GVH, and NEPM. Welcome back to... Oh, it's you. I'm sorry. I'm so excited. I forgot who was talking. Welcome to our number two of Boston Public Radio. He is Jim Browdy. I am Marjorie Egan. And we are streaming at YouTube.com slash GBAH News. Tomorrow we're going to be back at the Boston Public Library. We're going to speak with Ken Casey. He's going to zoom in from the Dropkit Murphy's European Tour. And then on Wednesday we're going to be at the library. Again, we're going to be joined by the governor. Maura Healey. She should be with us from 11 to 12. Hello again, Jim. Hello again, Marjorie. DeMarco Marcus 250 at the Salt Lick Incubator, Roger Brown, former president Berkeley, founded nonprofit. provides funding to up-and-coming musicians, has released Songs of U.S., Songs of Us. It's an online performance in interview series featuring artists of all genres performing songs from what many would consider the traditional American songbook reinterpreting works by writers including Woody Guthrie, Neas, Simone, Bob Dylan, Beyonce, on and on and on. You can find the Salt Lick Songs of U.S. videos on a YouTube page searching Salt Lick Sessions. We're joining in Studio 3 by its Salt Lick Incubator founder, Roger Brown, as I said, former president of Berk in College of Music, and I would say even more importantly, one of the non-profits earliest acts who were just spectacular. They've been on the show before Tiny Habits. Go to tiny habits official.com. We'll talk about songs of U.S. in a moment. Let's hear Tiny Habits in our tiny little studio in their adaption of Dillon's Blowing in the Wind. Welcome back, U.S. It's great to see it.

must have white dove set before she sleeps in the sand you said how many times must a cannonballs fly before that far have I been the answer my friend is blowing in the way the answer is blowing Yes, and how many years must the mountain exist? Before it is washed to sea. Yes, and how many years can some people exist? Before... times must a man before he can see the sky yes and how many years must one man have before he can hear people cry yes and how many deaths will it take till he knows too many people

My answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. The answer is blowing in the wind. That was gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. Roger, tell us who these people are. This is Tiny Habits. Three of my favorite musicians and people on the whole planet, one of the first cohort of Salt Lake Incubator artists, played their first paid gig in my living room, which I'm forever proud. I couldn't afford them now, but I got them early, and they, as you heard, have this amazing ability to sing together in a way that... You don't often hear in current popular music. They no longer have individual names, obviously. Is that correct? Oh, they do. Are they still names? Can we know what they are? They do. In fact, uh... They are Sinha, Judah, and Maya. Yeah. So I used to joke that they should call themselves the Yaya Daws. But they never adopted that idea. I think that's funny, actually. Yeah. But it's just, I mean, I'm a sucker for harmony. And the harmonies are just beautiful in the way you work them all in, not to mention the guitar playing the whole thing. Is that James Taylor's signature on your guitar? That is James Taylor's signature. Looks at it. And you guys played with them, right? Yeah, we toured from last summer. It was amazing. Oh, my God. He was sitting right where Marjor was about a year ago, too. That's pretty amazing for us. Yeah. Tell us what this project. Yes, exactly. So we did a project with the Harthland Foundation who actually sought us out because one of our Salt Lake artists knew someone working for the foundation. And we said, what can we do to commemorate the 250th anniversary of the U.S.? That's not like pure patriotism, but is also not pure... critique. So we thought, what if we, as Liza Levy likes to say, my partner in Salt Lake, what if we handed the microphone to musicians and said, tell us, reflect back to us who we are, where we're going, where we've been, using the great songs that our country has created. So did you guys, Judea, start with you, did you pick the song, or was the song picked for you? We picked it together. Why? It's just... Since no one can understand what Dylan was saying, you picked a... It's okay. No, really, why did you pick it? I feel like, well, we feel like it's sort of an honest, sort of... I guess, critique on the country and just the reality of living here. You know, I mean, us as a band, we're very diverse. We're not all the same looking, you know, even like internally we're very different people from different backgrounds. So I felt like it was...

A nice testament from three different people that, you know, live here in this country singing this one song together. You know, Maia, even though, if I, just let me just say, yeah, go ahead. Someone a couple of weeks ago on our show sang a Beatles cover, and I couldn't believe the courage it takes. Is it intimidating, Maya, to do? I mean, this is arguably one of the, what, 10 most important songs in the American songbook. Is it intimidating doing it or no? You know. honestly it doesn't feel intimidating i feel like because we have each other kind of to hold each other up it feels It doesn't feel intimidating at all. It feels honestly comforting to sing together. Let's face it. You wouldn't want to hear Bob Jay Jones singing. You guys like each other? We love each other. You still? You do? So you just pointed out everybody's different, different places and stuff. So how did you all hook up? The three of you? How did it get together? In school? At Berkeley. Yeah. At Berkeley. Wow. Was he president when you were there? When I was there, yeah. And what did you think of him as president? Tell the truth. The best. No, really. Really? I only have good things to say. I only have good things to say. Really? Anybody else want to say something about him? Just ditto, honestly. Yeah, the best president ever. Look at him turning red over here. The one thing I would say about tiny habits is when I first met them, I used to joke that they're like, you know, lizards on a rock in the sun. They're all curled up around each other, hugging each other at all times. And I felt like it was a really special relationship they had. And I said, you know, part of your challenge is to hold that together is your band, you're an economic entity, you're touring, you're writing, you have all the craziness of the music industry. And I'm delighted to say I think they love each other more than ever, which is pretty hard to do. Can we like get songs of U.S.? Yeah, so on our Salt Lake Sessions YouTube channel. You can hear all the songs. Old Crow Medicine Show just released what is the name of it? Whatever it is, while you're looking. I'll figure it out. And talk about some of the other artists other than tiny habits who are participating in this thing, Roger Brown. Yeah, we've had a great lineup of artists. There's a band Truesdale. You all remember Truesdale. They did a cover of both 9 to 5, the Dolly Parton song, which is fantastic and really stands the test of time. But to me, the most touching thing they did was Amazing Grace. Oh, yeah. Technically, Amazing Grace was written by a Brit, but he was a British slave. boat captain who delivered slaves to Charleston. And he wrote this song about personal redemption where he almost was killed in a storm and he said, I'm an evil person, living an evil life. I have to be better. Became an abolitionist. And now that song is perhaps the most popular religious song in the whole country. I'm not sure people understand the song, but when it says, you know, Amazing Grace saved a wretch like me.

He truly was living a wretched life. But I think for the country, it says something about how we can go from some of our darkest history through redemption and try to be a better place. When you mentioned where he got funding for this thing, is that the Spielberg deal? Harthland is associated. So have you dealt with him? Pardon? Have you dealt with him? Not directly. Oh, but they've been good to you. And they're very, they want the foundation to lead. They don't want to be in the spotlight over this themselves. So, Ma, you have a new album. Do we still call them albums? The albums, yeah. August 28th, right? August 28th, right? I was listening last night, because some of the songs have been released already. They are unbelievable. You're going to sing one a minute. It's called the Keepers. Keepers. Okay, that's what I thought. So tell us who you guys have been playing at opening for and playing it in the last year or so. A ton of incredible. Well, let's hear them. James Taylor, Sarah McLaughlin, Noah Khan, Gracie Abrams. Now we're doing our headline tour. Yeah. In the fall. In the fall. You know, I told this to Jim. He's a big Bruce Springsteen fan. I happen to be just reading his autobiography, which I was surprised. It's great. But one of the points is he got screwed over by so many people in the music business before the John Landau story and all that. And he thought you saw somebody that talent. And this is what Salt Lake is doing is kind of avoiding the screwing over. Yeah. Even worse, you should watch the Billy Joel documentary. I did. Oh, my God. What a horrible deal. signed. You know, when you're a young musician and you want to do anything to have success and someone comes along and says, you're a genius, sign this and I'll make you famous. It's just very tempting and hard and they have lawyers and you can't afford lawyers. So part of what Salt Lake is trying to do is just... find young, super talented musicians and give them the support, the guidance. We don't tell them what to do, but if they come and say, someone told us for 20 grand, they can make us famous, we say, well, have you talked to anyone else who does that? Or maybe talk to these three people first. So we just try to keep them out of trouble. And I do think usually the first deal you sign is not a good deal. So my advice is... Don't sign a long-term deal. Sign a short-term deal. And if it's a bad deal, next time it'll be better. But, you know, so keeping people out of those horrible, early situations is part of what we're trying to do. You know, Jude, a friend of mine actually saw you at the Newport Folk Festival. We read a review this morning, which was extraordinary. It's how great you guys. How are you guys doing? We're doing good. We're just hanging out at summertime, you know? Yeah. And what's ahead? I mean, share with us what, you know, what people want to find you other than finding you online. What's the next six months like to look like for it? Well, actually, today we're popping by J.P. Licks. Oh, you're new. I used to work there. I used to work there, so that's pretty cool. Oh, very good. You were the boss, right? I was the supervisor. I know. Pretty full circle. Yeah. But yeah, we're going to tour the cold ice cream for this? I know. Silly. Couldn't do it all. Maybe I'm crawling back now. And aren't they going to.

have a special tiny habit Sunday. They are. They are. J.P. Licks on Newberry? 130? Oh, my God. Okay. Are you going to perform there? A little song. We're going on tour in the fall. You better get over there. November 20th, we're playing House of Blues in Boston. Oh, you are? Yes, we've got to get to that. Can I say you three are too humble about, I mean, you're huge. I mean, you are really a big deal, and you deserve to be when we first met you, but you're far too humble. So what are you going to hear? We're going to hear something else now. What are you doing this time? It's from the new album, right? Yes, a new song from the new album. We're going to play this song, and we just released called Anything He Was. Anything it was. It's featuring Maddie Healy from the 1975. Oh, great. He's not with us today. We noticed he wasn't there. We're missing him, so it'll just be us. And you're lucky. I'm not going to sing. Featuring Roger Brown. I mean. Let's do it. Here we go.

Practice front, you're shaving up speed for the real thing. Buckle tight in the backseat of a long ride to heal it. Dried up blue, he's still on you and you're breathing on. Honest truth, it feels a little better. to you, but I'll try to, try to. Nothing like he was, but I know what he meant to you. I'll try to live up to him. Memories proving you were happier doing anything we like to do when he was next to you. I'll try to, try to, try to. filling shoes and clinging onto you while sleeping. He sobered up and had enough of chasing your feelings. Waking.

to try to nothing like he was i know what he meant to you i'll try to live up to memories proving you're happier doing anything this thing to anything and I know you don't mean to be rude by not promising anything there's just nothing more you want to do I'm just my son because I think I'm might not going to do but it's nice to be I'll try to, try to. Nothing like he was, but I know what he meant to you. I'll try to live all two. Memories proving you were happier doing anything.

I'll try to, try to. That was Tiny Habits. Judah, Iowa, Maya. Sydney Khan, thank you so much for being here. You're going to be a House of Blues in Boston, November 20th. Yes. Okay. And J.P. Licks today, come on. At 1.30. Their new album is Keepers. Tiny Habits featured on Salt Lake Incubator's Songs of Us series, and you can find their interviews and musical performances again on YouTube by searching Salt Lick Sessions, Tiny Habits Official.com for more. information on Tiny Habits. That's, again, Tiny Habitsofficial.com. Thank you so much. Roger Brown, you're not so bad either. Good to see you as well. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Most days are distressing, actually. They're horrible. Every day is horrible. Okay, Liza Levy is also Salt Lake President. Roger Brown is the founder. Thank you again. Good to see. Coming up to this quick break, the push to update Massachusetts Abortion Protectioners. We're going to speak with the head of the advocacy group, reproductive equity now, and a physician who says some Massachusetts women are still being blocked from receiving in-state care forced to go out of state. to get the care that they need. I'm Marjorie Egan. He's Jim Browdy. Listen to BPR 897GBH streaming at YouTube.com slash GBIH News.

Welcome back to VPR in 897 GBIH, Jim Browdy and Marjoriegan. We're streaming at YouTube.com slash GBAH. Tomorrow, Ken Casey from the Dropkick Murpies will zoom in from their European tour. He's not just going to talk about the tour there. He also, before he went to Europe with the dropkicks, visited a nice detention facility in New Jersey, right before he played with Springsteen. He'll describe that too. And Wednesday, Governor Healy joins us for an hour in person at the library from 11 to 12. A new piece of legislation is working its way through Beacon Hill and update to Massachusetts abortion rules, potentially making this one of the strongest sets of laws, particularly in this case after 24 weeks of pregnancy. For it to pass, by the way, as you hear this discussion, this session, the Senate needs to act by this Friday. That's correct, right? By this Friday. Join now by Claire Tayluni. She's the co-in interim executive director of Reproductive Equity Now, and Dr. Chloe Zohran Mamdani, the chair of the Massachusetts Chapter of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. Great to see you both. Thanks so much for your time. We appreciate it. So, Claire, let's start with you. What is the law now in Massachusetts about abortions post-24 weeks? Sure. So Massachusetts law allows for abortion care after 24 weeks. in four specific categories of exception, essentially, to the law. It allows for care to preserve the life of the patient, to preserve their physical or mental health in cases of lethal fetal anomalies, and in cases of grave fetal diagnosis. And there's been... A lot of progress to expand care to get us to where we are today. I think that's really important to note. Those last two categories of care were added, respectively in 2020, when the legislature codified the right to abortion care into our state law. And then they came back in the wake of Dobbs and added an additional category in 2022. Dobs was obviously the repeal of Roe. So, Dr. You're an obstetrician gynaecologist. That sounds like it's comprehensive, but. It's not. It's not. I'm actually a maternal fetal medicine sub-specialist within OBGYN. So I specialize in taking care of people with the highest risk pregnancies. And again, so grateful that the legislature expanded access to people with... really devastating fetal diagnoses later in pregnancy. That's a big part of my practice is sort of doing fetal ultrasound and walking people through that when it happens. But what we know is like really any exceptions framework doesn't fully take into account the myriad number of things that can come up. Like there's always something new that isn't quite captured in the legislation. And like, We're doctors. We're not lawyers. And I think when we're in the position of having to decide, does this adhere to the law or not invariably we're left, we're leaving people out. Before me, I'm sorry, you go ahead. I was going to say, I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about pregnancy in general. I mean, now they have more sophisticated tests. You get it 10 weeks. And I think a lot of women and dads or sigh of relief things look pretty good. Then you get past your first trimester. Mostly you're not going to have a miscarriage. Then you kind of think it's...

clear sailing, but it's not. So what kind of things do you see late in pregnancy? Yeah, so, you know, one of the routine scans is the anatomy ultrasound, which is typically done around 20 weeks. If things are found, even on that ultrasound, which would be earlier than this 24-a-week exception, sometimes we're doing more advanced imaging. We get MRIs of the fetus sometimes. We do genetic testing, which is every week there's some sort of new advance in genetic testing. But a lot of it is really gray. And there are a lot of parts that are still developing, particularly the brain. I would say, is the thing that we really just can't see a lot until later in pregnancy. And so that's one that is obviously an incredibly important... That's one of the stories is a woman whose babies... brain was not developing. Yeah. So before we get to the stories, I want to be clear because we haven't said it clear. The bill before the legislature want people to support, again, that the Senate needs to act on by Friday so that goes to a conference committee. And the five months vacation, we always ridicule them for. If a bill is before a conference committee by the end of Friday, they can continue to work on it in normal fashion. So Friday's the critical date. What would the measure that you're supporting do? How would it change the law? So the legislation, we've been prioritized. is called an act prioritizing patient access to care. And instead of those four categories of exceptions that I just walked through for care after 24 weeks, it would eliminate that exceptions-based framework and allow for care to be provided based on a physician's professional judgment. Like on almost every other thing that you do when you see a doctor except. This, of course. So before you give examples, some of the horrible stories, doctor, when you said I'm a doctor and not a lawyer, I assume the reason you said that is because when you have language like what's in law, lethal fetal anomaly or grave fetal diagnosis, obviously you're not a lawyer. So what does that mean? Or is everybody at risk? So in some cases, people, and you're nodding in agreement, end up having to leave Massachusetts to get an abortion, right? Yeah, and I think, you know, again, I'm sort of fortunate to practice in Boston in a big academic center and always have been surrounded by access to all of these technologies. There's people that don't have access to all of this, so are getting diagnoses later in pregnancy and have to leave. maybe aren't even getting offered the chance to leave. Can you tell us a story or two about people who have had to leave Massachusetts? And most of our listeners probably think this is the place and the safest place to go. And in many ways it is, but in other ways it's not. Can you share a story or two? Yeah. I mean, I think a very common story is finding a devastating brain diagnosis later in pregnancy. So somebody...

You know, I've had patients come in for a routine ultrasound to see the growth, and estimate the size of the fetus at 32 weeks, say. And there we notice that all of a sudden there's fluid replacing much of the brain. And what that means... is often a whole spectrum of possibilities. And I think what people don't necessarily appreciate about medicine in general is how much is gray? Like we're trained to sort of walk people through the gray areas and say there's this range of possibilities. But if you're asking us to sort of commit to, well, is it grave? Is it serious enough? Is it lethal? Those are really hard distinctions for us to make. So how do you have that conversation with the patient? What is that like? And what do you say to them? I would say that it's not one visit. This is multiple visits and multiple conversations over time. Like we develop relationships with our patients. I consider it an incredible privilege to have the opportunity to walk with people through these decisions, honestly, which are all different and individual. And figuring out what the goals are for a person for their family, you know, what supports they have. And what we do know and what we don't know often takes several weeks. What's it like to say to the woman sitting in front of you? I can't. provide the help you want and need, and you've got to go somewhere else to do that. At great expense. At great expense. Yeah. Pretty devastating, to be honest. It's not about me, but I will say it's really challenging. And I have sat in front of people within the last year saying, what do you mean we're in Massachusetts? And the reality is if there is uncertainty about... You know, many aspects of the diagnosis that can be really challenging to feel like we can provide people care. That's the voice of Dr. Chloe Zera, and she's joined by Claire Tayluni. Claire is from the reproductive equity now. And Dr. Zohran Mamdani is the chair of the Messch's chapter, the American College of Obstetricians and Goncologists. You know what drives me crazy? You hear this from the anti-abortion side. Well, you know, they just want to have abortion up the day before delivery, which... is just insane. I mean, no one is having an abortion the day before delivery, unless there's some, even if there's some catastrophic thing, as you're saying, you would find it out before the end of the 10th month, because this really goes 10th month the whole thing. But this has to be considered by the physician and the family, and this is not just, we're going to do this kind of thing, even when you do go out of state. So what happens to people when they go out of state? Well, I think what happens is first they process. Then they start looking for funds because often they're looking for child care and they're looking for transportation and the cost of the procedure itself. And they're grappling with the sense of abandonment. What do you mean my team that I've been developing this conversation with over the last several weeks is no longer going to be the team taking care of me? You mentioned the cost of the procedure. So insurance may be not.

covering this? If you're leaving Massachusetts for care, you're most likely leaving your provider network, which means you're paying out of pocket. And what kind of money are we talking about? Thousands, I would think it's in the range of like 20,000 to 30,000 dollars at least. And travel and housing and taking out of child care missing work. So this is Monday. You probably knew that without my telling. Friday is whatever number of days away. What is the sense of the Senate's position on this thing? Well, I'll just start by saying we're thrilled the House took this up last week. I think that's huge progress. Overwhelming vote. Exactly. Exactly. 119 to 33. Exactly. And we've been having really productive conversations in the Senate. We feel very optimistic. We have a tremendous amount of champions in the Senate on reproductive freedom. that we're excited to keep having conversations with. And you should just call your own senator, I assume. Is that the bottom line? Exactly. Are there other states that have provisions comparable to this? There are, yes. This legislation specifically is actually based and modeled after a legislation that was passed in Maine in 2023. Yeah, so Massachusetts would be following suit of what Maine did just a few years ago. The statutes that allow for care later in pregnancy vary a little bit, but we would be joining about nine other states in Washington, D.C. in allowing for care later in pregnancy based on patient needs and specific patients. patient care. Has Governor Healy said where she is on this bill? You know, you'd have to ask the governor. We're going to ask her on Wednesday. What I will say is, you know, there's a reason reproductive equity now endorsed Governor Healy for re-election. She's been a tremendous champion on reproductive health care policy. You know, just to get back to you, Dr. for a second, I mean, I By the time you're at 32 weeks of pregnancy, you probably get the nursery ready to go. And there's other siblings, the little siblings know that their mommy's got a baby in her belly and all that. I mean, you probably are in for some long psychological help here, too, I would think. I mean, again, comprehensive medical care, right? So what we want to provide our patients is the opportunity to get all of the care that they need from their team. Yeah. And right now, we can provide all of it. We have the technical know-how to provide all of the care, including abortion care that folks might need later in pregnancy. And that is the one piece we can't deliver in Massachusetts. Good luck. We're glad you brought us up to speed. Again, call your state senator immediately because the clock is ticking to Friday. And after Friday, again, if there was not unanimous consent, which there would not be, it would have to wait until next year. So Friday's the key date or before. That's right. 617-722-2000. You can also email them, but if you call that number, even if you don't know who your state rep or state senator is, the operator will get you through to them.

Thank you very much. Thank you so much. We've been speaking with Claire Tilluni, co-interim executive director of reproductive equity now and Dr. Chloe Zohran Mamdani, chair of the Massachusetts chapter of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. Thank you both very much for coming in. Okay. We're going to change subjects now. Jim has just shaved his head. I have just this weekend. That is correct. Ladies, you can see, just shaved his head. We're all in a state of shock here. But, you know, we're going to take calls because we have a picture of Jim next to Mr. Clean. We do. And we're going to open the lines on what the listeners think about Jim's bald head. Well, no, excuse me. It's not just about Jim's baldhead. It's about baldheads in general on men. What do you think about Iona Presley? She looked fabulous, by the way. She does. She does, but she's not you, Jim. That is correct. What do people think of shaved heads on men, or on women, but most of you're going to talk about, let's face it, Jim's head. I'm Marjoriegan. He's Jim Browdy. You're listening to BPR 897GBH streaming at YouTube.com slash tbh news.

Okay, here we go. Welcome back to BPR in 897 GVH. Marjorie and Jim Browey, streaming at YouTube.com slash GVH News. We're at the library tomorrow. Zooming in from their European tour will be the lead guy on the dropkick Murphy's Ken Casey. Wednesday, the governor will be with us. From 11 to 12. So if you're watching us on YouTube today, or you've heard Marjorie's snide remarks, you know that I have shaved my head. I've wanted to do it for about 30 years. I finally had the courage with my good friend Alfred, who's been cutting my hair for decades. And this weekend, he shaved it off. Marjorie's comment I wrote it down this morning was, well, if you're happy, that was, Corby didn't like it either. Nobody said a good word. Well, John, it's because you have a bald head. John Parker. John Parker has a shaved head, which looks great. He said it looked awesome. It does look awesome. Okay, so here's the deal. In order to do all this sort of stuff, I had to order a lot of stuff. I had to order a multi-headed razor specifically for bald heads. That came last night. Bottles of sunblock, Marjorie. Yeah, that's a good point. Some weird B-A-L-L-M, bomb. Bomb. A bomb. A bald bomb. You put it on your head kind of thing. And we decided, well, they decided. In an act of, well, I would say if I decide, it was a little masochism that we would invite your comments on my newly shaved head. And by the way, despite how Marjorie Cass is, the goal is not just for your comment on me, even though that's what she would like. There is The Rock. Have you ever seen Mr. Clean, by the way? I don't think he's real. I think he's a whatever. Yeah, that guy, exactly. There you go. There's your picture. There you are. Can you tell which one is me? I can tell which one is you. Okay, and of course there is Michael Jim Jordan, who a lot of people think I look exactly like now. You do. We learn out what you think about people with shaved heads. I don't like the bald head thing. Shaved heads. Shaved head. And I can handle it. 877301.89. I'm told there are a few texts. There are a few texts. But I have a question first. Sure. I was reading about something called Telogen Efluid. Yes. Effluvian. Exactly. Is that what you have? That's why I shaved my head, because I've telegen efflivation. I have no idea. What is? I don't know what it is. That's one of the reasons that men lose their hair. Telogen effluvian. Now here's anonymous texter. This is actually what I was hoping for. Marjorie, I just joined in on YouTube, and I cannot believe you have Sean Connery filling in. Isn't that incredible? For Jim. That's just absolutely incredible. Okay. We have a lot of text here. Suzanne, she's watching on YouTube. She says, Jim looks great. He can pull it off. And then Mary watching on YouTube says, I can't remember what Jim looked like with hair. It was a long time ago. That's very funny. Peter and Mystic, I like the bald head, but it needs some neck tattoos to complete the look. Actually, I'm getting them tomorrow afternoon, so that would be terribly fine. I mean, most of the people think, listen to this. HD Guy 350 watching on YouTube. You haven't lived until you've driven a convertible while feeling the wind blowing on your scalp. So there you go, Jim. How come you were not, you're one of the kindest people have ever known? The fact that the best you come up with, well, if you're happy.

Well, you know, I'm not a stylist, but I thought you looked, you're a handsome guy. Oh, thank you. You're welcome. Ruggedly handsome. Ruggedly handsome. Ruggedly handsome. I thought with a little beard and the tufts of hair, you look good. Well, the tufts of hair is not exactly a compliment. Jim, I really like the beard and those little tufts of hair. That is not what someone says to be kind of. It wasn't tufts of hair. You had quite a bit of hair. You had quite a bit of hair in the back. And I sort of thought it looked good. Can I tell you, if you had been. creative is the second anonymous text. Can you read that second anonymous text? You're the big environmentalist. Read this text. Oh, Jim, with all that new real estate on your head, you should consider installing small solar panels. I bet you could charge your Tesla. Why are you laughing at that? I'm not talking about this. Well, actually, we are, and I am thinking of doing that. Look at people. People are loving this, Jim. Lisa, from Hollister, California, people in California know a lot of these things. Why don't you read it instead of just... Jim looks absolutely fabulous. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Who's that really handsome surfer? That guy, what's his name? I never heard of Slater or something, Kelly. He's a really handsome surfer. He's bald. The only white guy can think of who looks fabulous in a shade. Stanley Tucci looks pretty good. Stanley Cucci looks good. Yeah, he looks very good. John Malkovich looks a good. Patrick Stewart. Patrick Stewart, the... You don't think so? No. You don't think so? Michael Jim Jordan, everybody kind of agrees on that. And The Rock, Dwayne Johnson. Yeah, he looks pretty good. He looks pretty good. Anyway, 8773-18970. What do you think, Joe in Gloucester? Hello, Joe. Be kind. Go ahead. Hey, how's it going? Excellent. I lost my hair when I was 21, okay? Oh. So. And it's not a fun look when you're crying to go up to girls and say, hey, what's your major and you're sinning? Right. Yeah. So let me tell you, when I shaved it off, my confidence just increased because I owned it. When you're clinging to scraps, you are not owning it. Okay. But I get it because my dad, who is a boomer, used to freak out at me about it because his notion of a bald person was like Donald Pleasant, right? Whereas now we got heroes who are bald guys. Keep owning it, Jim. You look great. Boy, Joe, that was a fabulous start. Thank you. Well, an awful lot of guys. I own it. An awful lot of guys in the NBA who are young. Yeah, but they have bodies underneath. I'm not exactly. Yeah, but they look pretty good, pretty good with their bald head, although some people don't think it's so great. Shaved head. I prefer to shaved head. Beaver from Forge Village wants to know if Marjorie is working with Dr. Evil today. Oh. That's so funny that may be left. Amina says, Mr. Clean, Jim, you just need a gold. hoop earring like Mr. Clean. Mr. Clean's pretty good looking. Mr. Green? Mr. Clean? Mr. Clean? Yeah. Don't we love the Mr. Clean Sponges? That's like the worst photograph. What do you call those sponges? The Mr. Cleanest. They get everything off. These cheap white sponges. Yeah. I love those. Wipe them up against the whatever. He had warm water. Yeah. Did you Cheney have a baldhead? Dick Cheney had a baldhead. Shine on sexy Jimmy says Chris from Boston. Okay, fine. Gary in Wisconsin. What do you think, Gary? What do you think? Yeah, hi, thanks for taking my call. Sure. I'm all about the buzz cut. My wife does it right in our garage about three times a year. Yeah. Usually on a number one. She does my nose, my ears, almost all my orifices. And last week she did it on a five, only because I'm flying to Boston next week, and I didn't want to look too freakish.

Well, wait a second. Are you suggesting by shaving my head I would look freakish? Is that where you're going? No, no, no. Okay. No, I have a number one usually, and it's pretty short. And when I'm in the bathroom in the morning, I automatically go for my brush and I look, I do a Fonzie. Well, can I tell you, that is an interesting point. Gary, thanks for the call. Remember when I used to go with Charlie Baker? We'd go out to Granite Telecommunications, and their incredibly generous CEO and founder would pay anybody who would make a significant contribution for cancer research in memory of one of his parents, his father, I believe. As a result of it, and one of the things that Governor Baker said to me is you, and we'd have our head, not shave, shave, but really short, like a one or something. He'd say you're going to love it. When you get in the shower, it takes like two seconds. Multiply that by a thousand. And you get in the shower to wash your head when you've shaved. You know how great that is? Yeah, you don't really have to do much washing. Governor Baker asked you to join us one year, and you didn't have the courage to do it. No, no, I'm not great. You think I honor press? He looks good? Ina Press, it looks great. She looks fabulous. But she has a beautiful, shaped head. Well, how do you know what your head looks like? It's bad. No, it's bad. What do you think of the shape of my head? I think I have a cone head. What do you think of the shape of my head? It's lovely. No, she doesn't. She doesn't mean. It is. And you've got some freckles on the top of your head already. See them right there? Yeah, you've got some freckles right there. Thank you. I appreciate it. Jim is now a steely-eyed missile man, says Ted from Marshfield. So you think that? What do you think, Jim? Now, let me just explain something to you. Every time we've ever fallen for one of these things, we regret it. We're going to do it anyway because the staff says, this is what I'm talking about. We have exclusive sound of Donald Trump talking about Jim's new haircut. Here's Trump. And I called him watermelon head because he's the largest head I've ever seen with the smallest neck, pencil neck. Well, actually, he was talking about Adam Schiff. That in this case, it's borderline watermelon head. Wouldn't you say that? Okay. I have a large head. No, but it looks, you're a big person. So it fits in. You know, it's incredible. Because Marjorie is so nice, she's trying to figure out what's the least horrible thing she can say. And she goes, you have a big head, but you're a large person. That's right. That is so kind. That is so, such a beautiful compliment that I have a large head because I'm a big person. I want to know how you feel about this. Can I tell you something? I'm so glad you asked. I had great trepidation. I am not exaggerating. Marjorie has known me for much of the last 30 years. For 30 years, I've wanted to do this. I've chickened out. And my attitude was, have it in late July or early August so that if you hate it, it grows back by September, by Labor Day. And other than the fact that you've totally broken my confidence, if I... exclude you from the conversation. If I exclude you from the con... Can you put this picture up on the YouTube stream? Of the beluga whale? They think I look like that, by the way. For a GBAH fundraising idea. So the answer is... $12 a month or $150 all at once, you get to pet Jim's melon like a beluga whale. It does look a little. But the answer is my confidence was much stronger than I thought it would be until you came along. I'm sorry. I think it looks great. No, you don't. You don't.

I think it looks great. That's making it worse. Exactly. I do. Susie and... Oh, Chris Ramies, or whatever it is. Shine on sexy Jimmy. So there you go. Yeah, I'm putting that bomb on this afternoon. The textures are all with you, Jim. Susie and Bellingham, what's up? I mean, hello there. What are you going to say? Hi. Hi, guys. How are you doing today? We're good. I'm laughing too much from watermelon head. Watermelon head, yeah. Comment, well, does you like it? Oh, my God. Anyways, I'm a hairdresser. So, first of all, your hair would only grow back about an inch if you shaved it, like... in June to early July by September. So, anyways, that being said, what I called about was nobody has mentioned Bruce Willis. Oh, yeah, Bruce Willis. Oh, Bruce Willis. That's a great one. You're right. Yeah. Now, don't go away. Since you're a hairdresser, when I went in to see Alfred, who, again, has been my friend, Alfred Masirelli, works at Corbu's spa used on his own place, and Harvard's Great's fabulous. I asked his opinion before I did it, and he said, let's give it a go. And it was he that instilled confidence, what would you have said to me if I came to you to do this? What advice would you give? Um, I probably would have agreed with that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you've got a good, you've got a good look. You've got a good shaped head from what I can tell. And what you can tell, yeah. You've got a good look for it. Okay. I appreciate it. I've talked, man, into, you know, instead of the comb over, like just calming it straight back. Can I tell you, I'm so glad you brought it up. The comb over for that. It's terrible, isn't it? There is nothing that is quite, by the way, let's just be clear. I never had a comb over. I just had, as you say, what did you say patches? Tufts. Tufts. Do you realize how demeaning that is to say, you look great with the little beard, which is demeaning to begin with, with your little beard and the tufts of hair? Oh, thank you, Marjorie. You're kind of like a cute tip. Thank you. Oh, that's real. Oh, that is so nice. Really, it's so warm. No, no, no. I didn't mean that. Can we get Edgar in here? I have a feeling Edgar's going to be a little more diplomatic. A lot of people think, oh, wow, you look younger. Keep it. It says Karen and Braintree. Thank you, Karen. Somebody else thinks some testosterone injections might help with this. I had them yesterday. I had this shaved head on Saturday of the testosterone on Sunday. I feel menacing today. I think you look great. Okay. Matching with Mr. Potato Head with the no hair and the smooth service. See, that's something you would say, actually. That's just potato head. Not Mr. Potato Head, you'll recall. So you could be honest because Marjorie has already brutalized me to being in the day. So what do you think? I was just saying to Jamie, the thing is you, you're actually lucky because you, no, no, no, I'm dead serious. You have a.

Good shape. Good shape. It's a great shaped head. That's right. There are a lot of people who lose their hair, and then if they go for the shave look, their head is kind of bumpy or it's lumpy or it's a weird shape. I don't know. Are there any bumps in the back? No. I mean, this is what I'm saying. I know exactly what your skull is going to look like. You're a man of the world, sort of. Sometimes. Sort of. If someone said to you, please don't interrupt this, because I don't want him to know the source of this. If someone said to you, hey, Edgar. Yeah. I love the little beard and the tufts of hair. You have on your head. A friend of mine. A former friend who said that to me allegedly is a compliment. Would you consider that to be a compliment? Would I consider it? No, I would consider that to be slightly demeaning except for if it came from somebody who I know is kind and loving like Marjorie Egan. That's right. That's right. Now, Camden from Marlboro, Texas says, don't put the bald head on the billboard on the turnpike. It will blind the drivers. Do you do anything to keep it less shiny? I just did it. I just did it Saturday. And I ordered the crap in the mail. But is that supposed to make it less shiny? Do you do anything to keep the shine off of it? Oh, you have to get powder like a little bit of powder or something. I'm actually going to shine this baby up. That's my goal. Shine this baby up. Like a bowling ball. Okay, so what are you doing on the show? I'd do this if I were you. I don't know if you read in the globe? There was a great piece in the globe recently about the ballot questions here in Massachusetts. You know who wrote that? It was brilliant. Who wrote it, Marjorie? The man with a little tops of hair. Okay. And the little beard. Well, no. I mean, you. You obviously did a column talking about the point that there's a ton of ballot questions on. Nine. Yeah. So we're doing a piece in very curiosity desk fashion. We're asking when you have that many ballot questions, how do you decide the order they are placed in? And does it matter whether you're question one or question four or question nine? Fabulous. So we're on it. Shaved head people on the show today or no? No, Jim. We do not allow shaved people on the curiosity desk. Okay. Eggers got a lot of hair. You have very a lot. You're not going to lose your hair. Hopefully. not. I used to have Tufton hair. I don't want to look like Jim. Tufts and a little tiny beard. Oh, I love you, the tiny beard and the tufts of hair. I love that. Jesus Christ. Okay. Sponsored by Tufts University. That's right. Okay. We're going to be back in the Boston Public Library tomorrow. We're going to have Ken Casey's calling in from the Dropkick Murphy's. He's going to tell us about visiting a, his viewpoint tour and visiting a ICE detention center. CNS. John King, the New Times TV critic, James Pond Owasick. He's going to join us. He's actually a great writer. He's great. He's going to talk about TV, obviously, with him. Oh, really? Our crew, yes, that's true. Okay. Our crew is Zoe Matthews, Handel lost. Ouriana Gonzalez, our stream team. Bill Francis and Madi Guy. Our engineer is John La Cawall Parker. Another man with a beautiful shaved head. By the way, we are selling tufts of my hair for $12.50 a month. 150 all at once.

And Jamie Bologna. Yeah. The Curiosity Deaths with Egerby Hurts, the third, starts right after us. Bologna. Bologna. Oh, Bologna. I think I said Bologna. Okay, whatever. And the culture show with Jad Bollon starts at 2. He's going to speak with author Carrie Mara on her new novel, Summer of Love. Jim Brady, you look great. She doesn't mean it, but that's okay. It's a fairly nice person anyway. See you at the library tomorrow. Goodbye. Because he's the largest head I've ever seen with the smallest neck, pencil neck.