3702 - Pivotal Michigan Primary Election Night

influenced the outcome of an election. Abdul El-Sayed is a particularly good candidate. He had name recognition from running six years ago. Bernie endorsed him from the outset as soon as he announced. And he announced early, which we're also seeing with Malak Kuros, how that's borne fruit announcing early. Zohran Mamdani also announced, you know, right after Trump won in 2024, pretty much. Not to belabor this point, but I suspect that Bernie Sanders, after 2016, he understood that at one point, and it probably wasn't until March of 2016. He announced in June or July of 2015, maybe May. He understood that he got into the rates too late because he did. For all the talk of how the DNC was against him, the fact is, had he started that campaign six, eight, ten months, maybe more, earlier, I think there's a very good chance he could have won. And he ran at that time as a protest candidate. I mean, really, as a message candidate. It was to get money out of politics. And I don't think it was really until February or January of 2016 that he thought he could win. Yep. But by then, it was too late. And I suspect that somewhere along the conversations and the analysis of that race, people understood. If you're going to run an insurgent campaign against these forces, you've got to start early. And they did. And then, of course, the other big difference is that now the national left has a leader, an ubermensch, if you will. Our comrade. Our comrade in the dark shadows. Chairman Haas, if you will. Pulling all the strings. Dressing up in all sorts of crazy outfits. So confusing. The China suit. The China suit, sometimes a Union Army suit, I think. I don't know. Wearing tunics. And... And in chore jackets. Mainly about his fashion, yeah. Right. It's making a lot of alpha men very confused about their choices to affirm their own masculinity. And the real problem is, of course, now for the left, is that he's been uncovered by Will Kane. The John Carpenter music. Oh, incidentally, we did not add this music. Live from Texas, this is the Will Kane show. Democrats have a new kingmaker. He's the visionary of the left. He's the visionary of Democratic Socialist. And it's his party. Hasan Piker's party. And that party has an invite list. And he has a vision, not just as who should be elected to office, but as to the future of the Democratic Socialist of America. When asked a very interesting question about what he would add to the platform, here's what he said about the future.

of the DSA. Arrest and prosecute and bring about corruption charges for every prominent member of this administration that is engaged in corruption. Prosecute and arrest, ICE agents that have also done crimes as well on the job. Bring out the secret police. This is a fan-made. This is clearly the Hasanabe Productions edit, but who knows? Did they do this? Yes, you can tell that. Okay. This is not how he started the show. That's not Will Kane's producers, no. But that was Hassan, like, a few days ago. If somebody did fraud, they should face legal consequences. What a radical. Secret police. And this idiot. It's he's doing it in secret, but he announced it on the microphone. I mean, the honorable thing to do would be to charge Olympians for cutting up the reflecting pool. That's what the federal government should be focused on. Jeanine Pirro totally let that one go. She blew it. She blew it big time. So mad. She choked. Mad. Choked like a dog. She choked. Do we have that? Do we have him saying that? No, okay, we'll find that. But there it is, folks. And, I mean, we're going to have on the program tonight, Sam Robinson. We're going to have him in just a moment. He's an independent Michigan reporter. He's been on the ground interviewing folks from Michigan. Maybe you've seen his videos. And then Nathan Robinson. who has also written extensively about Michigan. Abdul El-Sayed used to write for current affairs or had, I should say, you know, was published in current affairs. This episode's called Meet the Robinsons. Exactly. And then we're going to be bringing back Smokey Robinson, who's going to actually be doing our big board. Yes, just nobody knows who he is. I know who Smoky Robinson is. Okay. Don't worry. Yeah. All right. I'm sorry. That's not grandma. Okay. I appreciate that. After yesterday, I'm feeling a little sensitive with my son in here, calling me old over and over again. He did Emma worse. Yeah. I'm considering major plastic surgery now. He got definite on Emma. Yeah. I spent about an hour with Saul sitting down and explaining some things to him about what he should and should not be saying to other people besides me. We'll be talking to Sam Robinson in just a moment. And one of the things that we're going to talk, I mean, in regards to Hasan Piker, this will come up. I think there has been far too little written about Mallory McMorrow's failure. Because she was sent in there as the sort of the last great white hope in this race to sort of rescue the establishment from Haley Stevens, who is suboptimal as a candidate, aside from her issue set.

And what's fascinating is I think Mallory McMorrow was at a point where she could have, it could be her and Abdul El-Sayed right now, but it became clear that her donors won the day. Yes. And she couldn't make any inroads with black voters either. That was a huge problem for her. And that is going to be. Ultimately, I think the lesson from this is that Haley Stevens in and of herself wasn't defeated if Said wins tonight. That whole juggernaut and that the establishment has now a structural problem because they cannot fund a campaign and appeal to, at the very least, Democratic primary voters simultaneously. I used to talk about the Bachman rule I had for Michelle Bachman when it was about the Tea Party, when she gave the first response, Tea Party response to the President's State of the Union. And they had set up a camera for the Tea Party closed circuit and for CNN to cover it too, because of course they're going to cover the Tea Party thing just like they would if the DSA was the good, right? Of course. Not. And she addressed the Tea Party camera, but everybody else was looking on this camera. And she gave an entire speech like this and it made her look crazy. And in some respects, the establishment of the Democratic Party has a similar dilemma. They cannot speak to their donors and to the Democratic primary voter simultaneously and seem coherent. Yep. But we'll get more into that, I'm sure, as the program progresses. Tonight's sponsor of the program, Rocket Money. One of the great things about rocket money, I mean, it helps you with, help you with setting budgets and goals. And it gives you insights on how you're spending money and reports. And you can get real-time alerts for large transactions. Help you with protecting your ID and people, you know, trying to steal or set up credit cards in your names. Helps you with upcoming bills and low balances or if you get refunds on your credit card. But the thing that's also really fun from my perspective, and I don't have this problem anymore because Rocket Money took care of it, is it gets rid of subscriptions that you're not even aware you're paying. and you inplug your credit card information. It finds them for you, and you can save hundreds of dollars.

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We are back, Sam Cedar, Emma Vigland, on The Majority Report. It's pleasure to welcome to the program, independent journalist Sam Robinson, live from Detroit's majestic theater. As you're awaiting the Abdul El-Sayed's election party, I imagine you're going to do some coverage there. Hopefully, well, what is the mood there, Sam? The mood is... Hi, people are excited. The energy has been felt for the last few months on the ground. Those TV ads for Haley Stevens were really motivating voters where I live on the Detroit's east side to go out. They said, hey, Obama's with her. I'm voting for her. You haven't really felt that in every part of the state, though. And so, of course, we have urban communities across our state, Flint, Saginaw, Kalamazoo, Lansing, Jackson. Ipsilani, including the city of Detroit. But I will tell you guys that if Haley does not win Wayne County, if she does not win Oakland County, McComb, I don't know that she has a pathway to win this election. I'm not sure everybody's familiar with the controversy around those ads. Just walk us through those. And what was the theory that Haley Stevens was working on here? Yeah, so those ads are part of a $60 million ad blitz for Haley Stevens from outside groups. Haley, of course, was endorsed by President Obama in 2018 and 20 during general election matchups against Republicans. She has not been endorsed by Barack Obama for her race against Abdul El-Sayed. And so a lot of the Abdul El-Sayed supporters, Abdul himself will say completely misleading. You're trying to dupe black voters. Haley Stevens and her supporters will say it's fair game. I mean, this is what Obama had to say about me and my time as his chief of staff during the auto bailout, the auto industry rescue, which, of course, for working class Detroiters, is top of mind. A lot of folks that I live next to have been working for the big three auto companies for decades. What has been the, I mean, I don't know if people remember this, but in the wake of the financial crisis, the U.S. government basically bought a stake in GM. I think it was only Ford that rejected any type of bailout. What has been the knockout? Like, how do people perceive that? 10, 15 years later, because in many respects, I mean, we saw obviously UAW was striking just a couple years ago. Yeah. Because in many respects, the GM never sort of asked of its workers, hey, you guys, you got to chill out for a while, take less, turn the clock back, and we'll get you when we recover. And it really didn't. go down quite as smoothly as that, I guess. What are people's perspective on that bailout in, like, in Haley Stevens' role in it?

Well, I think it's important to point out that this is almost 20 years ago detail part of her campaign. When I talk to people under 30, you know, a lot of people don't even know what the auto bailout was, frankly. I mean, people in Detroit that are directly, you know, by family member, relative parent, grandparent. were, you know, tied to what happened in the 2008 financial crisis. Detroit got hit really hard, you know, neighborhood businesses, diners no longer exist, right? You know, we had our neighborhoods kind of hollowed out. And so younger people have no connection, and they roll their eyes and say, Haley, why are you talking about things that happened 20 years ago? And of course, you know, the older folks who are they voting for Haley Stevens because she was Obama's auto czar during the bailout? No, they're voting for it because she shares their values and they're afraid of progressive leftists, which, you know, in Michigan. You know, they're operating now in Detroit, the DSA groups, working families party. You know, black women are firmly, at least in our community in Detroit, black women are firmly on the side of the Big D Democrats. You know, I think Detroit's black political establishment has had an interesting time wrapping their heads around Donovan McKinney. He's a state rep running against Shri Thanedar, an incumbent. sort of moderate figure himself. It's funny. Shri Thanedar used to be a DSA member. They kicked him out over his support. He's a weird guy. He's a weird guy. And so he's funny. A lot of people like him. Black women love Shri Thanedar. I mean, that is something that, you know, when he ran for governor in 18, he got more votes in the city of Detroit than Abdul El-Sayed did. So. That's another race that we're thinking about Michigan's 13th congressional district. We've been without black representation in Congress. A lot of the moderate pro-Israel establishment figures will point to Shri Thanedar and Rashida Tlaib. Rashida Tlaib is going to be fine in her race, not competitive there, that she does have two challengers talking about uncommitted, talking about how she cares more about what's happening in the West Bank than on the west side of Detroit. also a criticism that we've heard against Abdul El-Sayed. Now, it's not a monolith. I mean, I am hearing from older black residents who are like, Abdul is speaking to me. Abdul more resonates with my values. So I do think the generational divide will be seeing how wide that is is a real good question. I think, you know, is Zohran Mamdani's election. You saw that dynamic play out as well. Well, they could also come back for the general election in the way that some older black voters in New York City did versus Andrew Cuomo, where once it's a Democrat versus an independent or a Republican in that instance, the dynamic changes a little bit. But what about the UAW endorsement for Abdul El-Sayed? Does that play into this? Because I know you mentioned the McKinney race. There's also the Will Lawrence race, which is really important. But I'm wondering.

How much the UAW has sway here? Well, when talking about black women showing up for Abdul, when I go to some of his more recent rallies and events, some of the few black women that have been there are the UAW for Abdul supporters. The UAW backed Detroit mayor, Mary Sheffield's opponent last year. He's a pastor. He got obliterated in our municipal election. Mary Sheffield, the first black woman mayor of Detroit, won by 77%. So, you know, is the UAW's stamp of approval going to be what makes the difference here? I don't think so. It does add. really needed credentials to his endorsement list. You know, the Nurses Union, AFT as well, he's been pointing at talking about. He's got some interesting local endorsements from figures from our neighborhoods like Mary Sheffield's father, Horace Sheffield is a local pastor and a UAW sort of legacy leader himself. As well as Warren Evans, he is the Wayne County Executive. Of course, Abdul El-Sayed was the Wayne County Health Director under Warren Evans. And so there's some familiarity there. But yeah, the story that you're hearing nationally, you know, it is pretty fair to say that's what I'm seeing on the ground where older black voters are more with Haley. The white voters that are voting for Haley are wealthier. And, you know, a lot of them are in Oakland County. And so she has to run up the score in Oakland County or she has no shot. We talk about the endorsements. How much, how active have the unions been? on an infrastructure level. Like in terms of, it's one thing to get endorsements. I don't know if they're trying to keep their powder dry for the general or like how much mobilization have we seen from these unions that have come with their endorsements? They've appeared at the last few events. They've appeared at the Fox 2 station, the studio outside the studio before the Fox 2 debate a few weeks ago. But they have not been as active as. perhaps the Democratic Socialists of America influencers and the likes that have flown in from California and New York elsewhere in the last few days. I mean, the DSA folks here in Michigan, the Metro Detroit DSA chapter, they did not endorse El Sayed, who calls himself a capitalist. However, for the very first time, right, and I've never seen this, you know, I've been covering the local DSA group here, the working families party here. I've never seen them so gung-ho about supporting a guy who calls himself a capitalist and refuses to engage with their group. And so, you know, certainly there is mobilization happening on the side of the unions, but it has not been as as.

as the DSA kids. The young folks are coming out. The poll workers, when I went to the polls earlier today, they're telling me that they've never seen this many young people in August. Wow. All right. So this is a little bit reductive, but what are the fault lines here? Like what are the big fault lines? Is it Haley Stevens is just an awkward candidate? Is it Gaza and our support for Israel? Is that sort of like carrying the day? What are the major fault lines that you think this is going to turn on? Yeah, the two biggest things that I've heard, and certainly since February of 2024, Michigan started, they launched the uncommitted movement here. That, the war in Gaza has completely changed democratic politics, at least in Michigan. I can't speak for the rest of the country. But, you know, older white voters who you would have thought would be big blue, big D Democrats, rather, are talking about, you know, I feel completely uncomfortable with my tax money going to. the death of innocence and children. And so Medicare for All is also very popular. Our local legislators, our lawmakers, and the state legislature here have their own Medicare for All Bill statewide. And so that's also something that I hear from Abdul El-Sayed voters. You know, there is something that I don't think I've ever shared this before, but just, you know, off-the-record conversations, just sort of talking to people in real life. There is a level of, you know, moderate Democrats that would vote for Haley Stevens, but they just have some... personal connection to her or they don't like X or Y. They think she's weird or cringy. And I am hearing that more than I would have thought I would. A lot of people kind of like her awkward sensibilities. They feel like it's relatable. They feel like she's goofy, funny. She reminds them of, you know, their family member themselves, really. And I will say, you know, in defense of her accent, we do kind of, you know, extend our A's. And, you know, the APAC stuff, which makes her seem monstrous, this makes her seem foxy. I mean, I can attest having spent a significant amount of time at my former in-laws in Michigan, it's a legit accent. It is. She's from Detroit, Birmingham. You know, it's 40 minutes outside of Detroit. But, you know, where I grew up, Saginaw, Midland Bay City.

Yeah, people definitely sound like that. You can go to Lansing, Michigan and hear a server at a restaurant. My experience was there was a lot of wet bars in people's basements in Michigan, but that's for a different time. Lastly, let me ask you this. How much did, I guess it was four years ago, Michigan. ended up being a trifecta in terms of the Democrats having the executive and both houses of the legislature. And it did not like relative to let's say Minnesota. There was not the amount of legislation or the type of legislation that one would have anticipated, right? I mean, I think that's fair to say. And how much does that play in what's going on here? Like how much, when we get to the general. How much of like, where is, what is the, to the extent that there was dissent or unhappiness with what the Democrats did in control of Michigan, how is that playing out? Well, I can say that the thing that unites the establishment wing in Michigan, especially in Detroit. We're talking about black politics. What unites Donovan McKinney in a figure like Michigan Democratic Party Black Caucus chair, Keith Williams. He's been a vocal Haley-Soupin supporter and loves to argue with younger people on Facebook every day. What unites those folks are the perception that... The Gretchen Whitmer-led Democratic trifecta from 22 to 24 did not do enough for black voters that flipped those seats and got them the trifecta to begin with. They had held a press conference in the final days of the legislative trifecta saying, we need to do more for black voters. There was some notable items that got passed, protections for gay and transgender residents, free K-12 lunch, pension tax relief, but big other items like a plan to make water more affordable across. the state like police accountability measures were put to the wayside. Interesting. Well, Sam Robinson, I really appreciate your coming on. We're going to put links to your Instagram, all your socials. Is there anywhere else can people find your work?

Yeah, I am on Instagram. Funny you say that. I am just Sam Drinkswater at on Instagram. On Twitter, you can find me at Samuel J. Robb, Sam Robinson. My work is published in Michigan's oldest black newspaper as well, The Michigan Chronicle. My substack is called Detroit One Million. Well, really appreciate the work you've been doing, and thanks for talking to us. And I hope you, I hope it's a fun night there. Yeah. Sure will be. I've already had a 20-minute conversation with Olivia Rheingold. Oh my God, you bury the lead. Hold on. Hold. We can't let you go yet. We've got to go a little long. What did she have to say? Is she terrified? What is the security? Does she have security? Bulletproof vest? And not at Haley's because I think a lot of people expect. Abdul to win tonight. Does she have one of those helmets on and the best that say press on it? He has the press badge. I actually asked her if I could take a picture of her press badge because the New York City, you know, press identification badges are just so iconic to me as a Midwest journalist. We have nothing like that. Anybody can be the press. You just show up and ask yellow. There you go. Well, wherever Hassan is, she goes, I guess. She's got that air tag on lock. Yes, yes. I imagine Hassan, you know, I'll see him again. I've been seeing him all over the city of Detroit this past week. I don't know he was in Wisconsin too. And so, yeah, there's so much energy, guys. People that I have never seen care about politics are flexing their I voted stickers on my Instagram. I'm scrolling through my Instagram stories. So, yeah, a lot of energy around Abdul's campaign. That's great. Sam Robinson, thanks so much for your time. I really appreciate it. Yeah, thank you guys. Thank you. All right, folks, we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we'll be speaking to Nathan Robinson because it's a theme night. We'll be right back after this.

We are back. Sam Cedar, Emma Vigland on The Major Report. I want to welcome to the program, Nathan Robinson. He, of course, is the publisher of current affairs. Nathan. I am sorry that we are cropping your set because it is so awesome. I love it. But thanks for joining us. You were on the ground. There is. There is. There you go. I'll drop me. It's Lynchian. The Tiffany Lab. You were on the ground to Michigan. How did you, did you go around to other states or did you pick Michigan because you thought it was particularly unique? No, I don't do much reporting, but I had gone out to Michigan for New York Magazine in 2018 because a friend of mine who lives there told me, we have this incredible candidate for governor. You've got to hear him. He's like, you know, he's got like Obama's charisma with Bernie's politics. And so I went out to do this report on him and I was just kind of blown away. I thought, oh, this guy. this guy's something different. This is very interesting. So I did that report at 2018, and then after that, Abdul actually wrote for current affairs a couple of times. I did some YouTube videos for us. I did a bunch of interviews with him. So I followed him for a long time. And then I just went out to report for the nation magazine, wrote a long thing for the nation early in July about what this race could mean. Well, what does it mean in your estimation? Yeah. What could it be? Well, I mean, people are really catching on. I'm not saying now, so I'm not sure that I'm saying anything that is not already being said across the media because people are starting to notice, oh, this. What's happening in Michigan's Senate primary right now is huge implications for the future of democratic politics. And there's a lot of reasons for that. One of them is that it's kind of Apex's last stand. They have funneled tens of millions of dollars into this race to prop up Haley Stevens. It unblanketed the state with attack ads, and it doesn't seem to have worked, which means that if L. Syed wins. APAC might become pretty toxic in democratic politics overnight because people are going to realize that their money is actually a liability and not an asset. And of course, it's just this big showdown for the progressive versus centrist-slash-establishment fight within the Democratic Party. And if Abdul wins the general election, it's going to be a test of the theory that the Bernie people have been pushing since 2016, which is that progressive politics are actually an asset.

and not a liability in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, etc. Well, that's what they're afraid of more than anything. It's why they want to kill him in the crib, as it were. They would prefer not to even have to have that conversation about... Is there something on the ceiling? No, no, no. Okay, okay. They would prefer not to even have that conversation about or have to reckon with what electability really looks like in the Democratic Party because it's so hinges on an old assumption about very conservative candidates in purple districts or purple states. Well, and of course, if Abdul wins, right, it blows a hole in the, in November, it blows a hole in the, in the whole theory that you have to run more conservative candidates in purple or swing districts. And then they lose the entire argument they had because they never really argued that these people were better. They said, you can't have these people because you have to have these people. You have to have people like Haley Stevens because the progressives that you love, yes, yes, you might love them, you might agree with them. And we saw this in 2016, where a lot of people who didn't vote for Bernie said they didn't vote for Bernie because they didn't think he could win in a general election. And some of us were saying, well, that's a misunderstanding of how politics work. But that's what they were saying. They say, you might want Bernie, but you've got to vote for Hillary because she can win. And so that theory is finally going to die if we select Abdul, and then he wins in a general election. Well, let's talk a little bit. I mean, I know that by the time you got to Michigan, Mallory McMorrow was just exiting. But to me, her failure is the most indicative of the problem that APEC has. Because she could have easily, it seems to me, pivoted in sort of like dropped into that race, right? The idea when it became clear that Haley Stevens was not was underperforming. She emerged and was supported by the sort of like. those who want to have like the interest scene like sort of the abundance crowd we're I'm progressive but I don't really mean it because I won't sacrifice much to achieve it like I'll acknowledge that your aims are just but I will do very little to achieve them that's the the lane she's going and the thing that we got fixated on I mean she the thing that we got fixated or you know the the that I got fixated on we I think we all did to some extent was her response about single payer, health insurance. You wouldn't want Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in charge of everybody's health insurance, which is probably true, but I wouldn't want him in charge of anything for that matter. And so it's sort of a silly framing of it. But she could have dropped into, there's a world where Mallory McMorrow could have dropped into this race, not complained about Hasan Piker.

I mean, which was bizarre. But, um, and actually been sort of like, I am also, um, uh, anti APEC. I am also, uh, this. And, um, I am, I mean, she could have come in and and done that, but. She couldn't because she couldn't raise the money without. It seems like there's basically only two ways to run now in this. It's either the establishment track and the sort of like progressive, you know, Syed is not the DSA, but grassroots track. And it's really bifurcated in a way that it hasn't been in the past. And you, the grassroots, you need a lot, you need more than a typical person to generate that level of enthusiasm, although less and less so. And she's sort of like Mallory McMorrow, to me, proves that. Like she, in other cycles, I feel like she could have dropped in and been the choice. I mean, that's what Biden was. In many respects, Biden was that guy. Yeah. Compromise. Yes. What's your thoughts about that? The compromise no longer works. Well, I mean, this is kind of what Elizabeth Warren tried to do in 2020 is steer between the establishment candidates and Bernie Sanders, and that also flopped because it turns out that there's not much of a constituency for the middle between the progressives and the center. Like, who is that? And, I mean, it's hard for me to really think she... Maybe there's a hypothetical world in which she catches fire. But... You know, Abdul and the Haley kind of really lay out the stakes very well, and people are going to line up behind one of those things. They have a very clear narrative. I mean, McMorrow didn't have a very clear narrative. There's all sorts of muddiness to what you're describing. But Abdul is very, you know, is Medicare for All, anti-establishment, anti-jeticide, anti-ice. If you care about these things, if you like these things, I'm your guy. Why would you go with anyone else? And so, yeah. I don't know if there was ever a chance for someone. Unless early on, the establishment had figured out like they did in 2020 that they needed a compromise figure and they all sort of rallied behind. And one of the things that worked to Abdul's advantage was how split the race was for so long. I think. I think that worked to his advantage. And looking forward, I mean, the, what are the implications?

Let's assume for a moment that Syed won's in the general, which, you know, it's going to be a hard race. And in many respects, it feels like it's a all hands-on deck. I mean, because this race, if he loses the general, if he wins the primary and loses the general, that loss is going to be a club. Yes. That is going to be wielded over and over and over again. So I suspect that like, you know, everybody's going to go to Michigan. Yeah, exactly. I mean, in many respects, I mean, I don't think it's going to be as effective. But people don't understand. When I started doing this in 2004, the specter of McGovern. still dominated. And that was 30 some odd years, 32 years before. The idea of hippie punching, which we no longer talk about really, because it's outdated. But 35 years later, we're talking about hippie punching because of McGovern's loss. Yeah. But assuming he wins, like what is this going to do for 2028? Well, I mean, for 2028, it really is going to set up the progressives for victory if they have a good candidate, right? I mean, one of the problems is we don't know how strong of a progressive candidate there is going to be. We don't, I mean, I know the kind of consensus is that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the obvious choice. We'll see how she does. But the Democratic establishment has a lot of candidates to choose from. You know, they have Pete Buttigieg and Kevin Gavin Newsom and... Kamala Harris and also there are no shortage of horrendous people. Mark Kelly. But I think what's going to be great is that it is going to show that the base of the Democratic Party is firmly willing to vote for these anti-establishment populists said that Bernie Sanders politics are now where Democratic Party voters at least are at. So if Abdul... wins the general election, it's very, very, very good for the progressive movement. If he loses the general election, it's an absolute catastrophe for the progressive movement. And so the stakes are quite high, assuming that he prevails tonight. Well, it's also, I mean, it's amazing, too, because... In the reverse circumstance, if there was an establishment candidate that made it through, you know, eked through and moved on to the general election and then lost to a Republican after there had been this amount of outside spending and negative attack ads against that candidate, the amount that the progressive movement would get blamed for daring to criticize a Democrat in the primary would be astronomical. And yet there will not be the same self-reflection if that's what happens with Abdul. No, that's right. And importantly, if Haley Stevens were to win tonight, she is a very weak general election candidate because her fundraising is really anemic. She's spoiled her relationship with all of Abdul's supporters by these really gross attack ads accusing him of being a sexist. And also...

all of her APAC money dries up overnight because APAC is very interested in defeating Abdul El-Sayed. APAC, I don't see why they'd have any reason to prefer that Haley Stevens beat Mike Rogers. So all of that support that has really, really propped up her campaign, has essentially been all of her campaign, is APAC-funded advertising. She can no longer depend on. She might well go down in flames. And then, of course, she'd say, well, this is because they were so mean to me in the primary. Yeah, I think that is exactly, that nails it right on the head. Honestly, I mean, from APEC's perspective, Mike Rogers, Haley Stevens, six of one, half dozen of the other, we're going to spend our money in some other race because we're happy with the outcome either way. If Haley Stevens is the candidate, I get the sense she won't be. But that's the dynamic. And but the Republicans, Trump hasn't spent a dime of the $400 million of his Super PAC is raised. And I know the consensus is that they're going to take a lot of that in terms of like, you know, salary for people that work at the pack. I agree. They're not going to take all of that. Trump knows that he can just endorse in a, in a primary, not really have to spend that much. And he can be kingmaker. They have way more resources at their disposal. The RNC has over $100 million in cash on hand. The Democrats, the DNC is in debt right now. It had to put up its headquarters for collateral. It's $2 million in debt. One of the things that I noticed in Michigan is that it kind of exposed that we talk about the power of the establishment to squash these candidates and, you know, how they screwed Bernie and all that. But the Democratic establishment is actually quite weak. The Democratic Party is a weak shell of a party. They don't... really have much of an existence. You don't go to Democratic Party meetings. They don't ask you to volunteer. They just text you and demand money from you. But Haley Stevens didn't have any volunteer opportunities. She wasn't doing public appearances. That was one of the weirder things when I was there is that every single television and every single ad break was full of these anti-Abdl ads or pro-Stevens ads. But on the ground, there was just almost no presence for Haley Stevens. So they don't have a kind of infrastructure. That, that honestly reminds me of Andrew Cuomo's race. I mean, I, I, you know, you block the city and everywhere you'd go, everywhere you'd go, there would be someone who is promoting Zohran Mamdani. I ran into one Andrew Cuomo guy and I asked him why Andrew Cuomo and he said, I'm just getting paid, man. It's just a living. Exactly. I mean, it's, that is also, I would say, the, the, the failure of Chuck Schumer and Christian Gillibrand. I mean, if you are worried about Abdul El-Sayed, if you are upset about Graham Platner rising in Maine,

You have to look to your nominal head, you know, leaders, Chuck Schumer and Kristen Gillibrand and go, you guys are horrible on your own terms. Like, you are incompetent. And, you know, this is like, this has been a problem with Democrats over an extended period of time. Now, I don't have as much of a problem with the incompetence of the democratic establishment because there is an ascendant sort of other power source within or without the party, however you want to look at it, that is meeting the moment in some respects. If you are an establishment Democrat, if you are a, you know, a moderate Democrat, if you are a Democrat who is suspicious of, of, you know, trying to ask for too much or you think we can't do, you got to be looking at Jill Brand and Chuck Schumer and going, you guys are total. incompetence. And Emily's List, by the way, which is closely associated with Kirsten Gillibrand. And they've been promoting these, they've been abandoning leftist women and only promoting these moderate Democrats like Janet Mills and Haley Stevens and Angie Craig in, uh, in Minnesota. And just throwing that out there as well as another big Democratic Party institution. Yeah. No, I mean, it was remarkable to me when I was out there. to see how they were trying to stop Abdul and to realize that they didn't understand that the very things they were trying to... deploy in order to stop him, we're actually helping him. So, you know, $50 million in APEC spending sets up his narrative. His platform is money out of politics. So he's literally then recording ads going, hey, do you see how they're treating you as stupid and trying to buy your vote and manipulate you? This is what I'm talking about when I'm talking about money in politics. Hey, have you seen all of those ads that they're airing nonstop in which they falsely accuse me of disparaging women, well, there's your money in politics. And then a lot of people go, huh, oh, yeah, I guess, I guess he has a point. And so they really kind of set him up in a way that was very helpful. Like, because sometimes I think, well, how much would Abdul be winning by if they hadn't spent $50 million? Like, imagine how much he'd be winning by then. But I actually think spending this much money totally backfire because it could have been last. He could be leading by last had they not spent that money. And I will say, as you describe that dynamic, all I'm thinking about is Kamala Harris going around with Lynn Cheney basically saying, where are the establishment? He's the outsider. He represents, we represent stay the course. He represents change. And it's like, dude, you understand, he couldn't pay you enough to set that dichotomy up.

Will, I mean, look, Haley Stevens touting her endorsement from the incumbent senator, from the governor, from Barack, right, going back and pretending Obama had endorsed her, is going like, if you like the Democratic, if you like the Democrats we already have, you should vote for me because all of the Democrats that we already have, the party establishment, they love me. That was her ads. That was her pitch. Yeah, and I think what's not getting talked enough about is that, yes, the Democratic establishment has lost credibility on winning elections. That's very important to the Democratic voter, but they've also lost credibility on governing. When you have Zohran Mamdani come in, he's the most visible and popular and important Democrat right now in the country, arguably, him and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And, I mean, I guess Bernie, too, still with his influence. But I think in terms of governing and demonstrating what's possible, Zohran Mamdani is showing that, like, hey, all you had to do was try. And that wing of the Democratic Party that both says trust us. that says trust us to beat Trump. They've lost credibility there. And once you break trust... Well, you know, when somebody cheats on you, right? You got, like, it's harder to believe them the next time about the other argument that they're making. So I think that's part of it. You have to put up with the fact that we never deliver anything for you because we beat Republicans. But it's like, okay, but you do neither of those things. So you are worthless. We don't need you. And then Zohran Mamdani comes along and brilliantly, I think, focuses on how do I deliver wins that people notice? And it's like, okay, I'm going to fill 100,000 potholes. I'm going to build rest stops for delivery workers. We're going to like immediately give another year of child care. We're going to do all of those things that everyone notices. And now his approval ratings like nearly 60%. Instantly, the majority of people go from seeing New York is headed in the wrong direction to headed in the right direction because he understands that all you need to do is demonstrate competence. And all of a sudden, people associated in their heads, competence. socialism and they go oh i kind of like this socialism thing because it seems to mean getting the potholes film right yes exactly and that's why he stood down with jeffreys too i mean and i think that should be noted that's that is why they picked their battles early on didn't want and with and with Jessica Tisch didn't want to fight a battle on every single front and i just want you know people to to recognize that because it is strategic in the battles that they're selecting Jeffrey shouldn't get comfortable, though, because if we know, Zorad will make a promise that he's not going to endorse anyone against you. And then the moment he says that there's a shift in the political opportunity, you're gone because I think that's what happened in one of those races with Espilat. And why would he play by the rules that they don't play by? And then they clutch their pearls about it. I was at that Valdez party for DSA. And what people were chanting when Hakeem Jeffries came on screen was you are next.

over so like i think dsa gets it and Zohran Mamdani as a product of dsa understands it too there is a time to reap and there's a time to sew yeah and um uh we we're reaping and sewing simultaneously. Also, there can be a time where you do it both at the same time. It's a crazy moment. I mean, you know, I've been now writing our magazine started 2016 and we were pleading and going like, you have to nominate Bernie. Otherwise, Trump is going to be the president of the United States. And it falls apart. And then it all happens again. This disaster happens the second time. And now we're in a second Trump term. But you think, oh, finally, after we've all worked on this for like 10 years, we seem to be, we seem to be in a political moment where there are competent, charismatic, pragmatic. progressives who are ascending to power. And it's kind of exciting as someone who's used to doing nothing but losing over and over. All right. I got one final question for you that is slightly off of this. As you say that, though, it is stunning to me that the charismatic candidates all seem to be The progressives. Like, what's going on here? Can I give my theory? Because I think I'm stealing this a little bit from Hassan, but he says he'll compare Pete Buttigieg to Zohran Mamdani. Like Pete Buttigieg is a good speaker, and people will talk about how talented Zohran Mamdani is. I think Pete Buttigieg is a very talented communicator, but he's not saying anything. That's, I think, part of what the charisma adds to, right? I mean, Pete Buttigieg has some... I would put him in terms of establishment candidates, he is on the more charismatic side of it. I think he's, you know. Okay, Gavin Newsom then, right? I mean, then compare Gavin Newsom as a charisma, charismatic figure to, no? I'm just looking at, like, at least in the context of these midterms. I mean, I think Gavin Newsom has charisma. I find him creepy, but he has charisma. But Haley Stevens, no. Janet Mills, no. Like, whenever we've seen any of the, like, the real sort of heated battles, all of the ones in New York. I mean, there is a charisma deficit on the establishment side. And I wonder why that is. I wonder if that's a generational difference, like charismatic people who are younger. They just have grown up in a different sort of like context. I don't know.

Yeah, so there's part of it that is an inherent challenge, which is that, you know, the chance, what do we want, moderate change, where do we want it in due course is like difficult to get people excited about. But then also just all the young people are socialist now. So if you would have, you know, the sort of people like Abdul, this was one of the interesting observations to me about Abdul was I was like, if this guy. had been like a Rhodes Scholar in 1996, he probably would have ended up in the Clinton administration because the, like, milieu that was raising these people was just different. And Obama kind of the same thing. So now it's just that all of the young people have been radicalized by their circumstances, and those are the people out of whom the next generation of political leaders are going to come. I think that's well said. Nathan Robinson. Current affairs, folks, if you are not, if you are not subscribed to current affairs, you are missing out. First off, hold that out. That is gorgeous. Yeah. And you can't find. It's very rare. I mean, I don't mean to keep too much praise on you, but it is very rare to find like a magazine that is actually like beautiful, like well done and cared for. On top of the writing is excellent, but just the whole package is fantastic. Well, thank you very much, Sam. That means a lot because we love what you do as well. And, you know, I got that from Jacobin, which is that was the first time when the left has really like professionalized in a certain way, by which I don't mean that they've gone like bourgeois, but I mean, like, we care about things like aesthetics and we can and competence. And so Jacobin was the first one that was a magazine that was just really beautifully designed. And I was like, oh. We can have the radical politics, but we'll hire just incredible artists. So our magazine is always full of this really beautiful handmade art because we have all these teams of artists who do it. Because we're like, oh, well, why don't you give people? You're trying to pitch a message that is often difficult, which is you're talking about, you know, genocide and refugees and climate change. You could at least, like, give people some joy in the art and in the pleasure to be found in the good writing. And so some of it is, like, to help the medicine go down well it's also i have to say that like you know and i haven't seen it uh structured this way but there was an era where we were talking about things as being a corrective where you would have a format that pre that existed whether it was late night talk shows or news uh and and you retain the format and the quality but You deliver a different message. And you guys have not only, you have superseded the format in many respects. I really appreciate current affairs and can't encourage people enough to get over there. Support the magazine. Subscribe. You will be very happy you did. Nathan Robinson, thanks so much for your time. Really appreciate it. Thanks, Pam. Great to see you always. Great to see you, buddy. All right. We're going to take a break.

And I think what we're going to do is... Do you want to do that? I would think... I'll tell you, this is the look I got from Matt. Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking about, it's going to be confusing to folks. I think they just want to watch the whole. Let's just roll through. We got 18 minutes until post, until, uh, pulse flows. This is Matt, this is Matt. Although I do want to take a break. Juice, excuse me. I call that. Wine, please. I learned to look from Saul. I'm like, hey, what looks at all you? Can you do one shot so I can get some wine? Oh, you know, we're going to take, let's do this. We're going to take a, you know, a 90-second break. A two minute break. We've got to load up our boots. I need a refill break. I need some wine on air for us, for me to get this done. Continue. Can I just talk about like what, like the, what we ordered beforehand? Fine. Go ahead. Rip into me. No, no, I'm not ripping into you. I'm not ripping into you. Okay. Make fun of me, then. This is gentle teasing. Okay. Emma has a very specific, like, wine that you like, right? That is glamour. Yeah. No, but it's a cheap wine that I like. There's a lot of cheap wine that I don't like, but there's a specific cheap under-20 bottle of wine. Oh, I got the $22 bottle. Well, thank you so much. I said, what's the most expensive? You wanted specifically... A New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc, okay? Yeah. Right. It has the fruity tones that I like. And there are some Sauvignon Blancs. I really don't like a California Sauvignon Blanc. It's just not my style. I'll drink any red, but I don't like to drink red on air because it makes my teeth look horrible. Okay. But I responded. What about an Australian Sauvignon Blanc? And I got the text in my head. I was like, why can't he find the goddamn New Zealand? But you said... Affordability, affordability. You said, okay. And then I wanted to see if I could go further. And I said, what about a Tasmanian Sauvignon Blanc. Because I know there's like a 40% chance you're just fucking with me. I know it's like 70 to 80% to 80%. Tasmanian. Tasmanian 7.0. Okay. Try 100.00%. You know what? Yeah, I didn't pick up on that. No, you didn't. No. That's $200 in the economy. So what was it? I didn't even end up drinking that one because I brought my own from home. I got you, the New Zealand. He's not, he may forget, like, everybody else here drinks like hard liquor. Emma came in with one of those soft canteen things that you wear as a backpack. A camelback. In the camelback with the, with the straw.

into a New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc. So I will take the Australian Sauvignon Blanc that you got and it'll be like, you know, cooking wine for me at some other point. Oh, that is no, that's a nice. I'm joking. I'm joking. I have to say that I, I, we've been talking a lot about Michigan and we'll take a break here, but I will say that I, um. Ben Fox is saying Tasmania is in Australia. That's what I thought. I know that. I know that. So I think 40% is in America. I understand that. But if I say it's a Californian sovereign young blank, you're like, well, it's an American one. I get it. Nebraska and South Blanc. Exactly. I drank a lot of box wine when I was in Michigan. I would just say that. Yeah. Probably in Michigan, but all over. Yeah. Did you slap the bag? Or is that just the thing you do when you're in a sorority? No, I did that, yeah. He's never taking it out of the box. Oh, no way. You take the bag out of the box and you chug it and then you slap the bag when you're done. We called that a space bag. My ex-wife's family's place. I'm not going to do that. Oh, no. Okay. Well, you're very well-behaved. I'd watch them do it, but I didn't do it. All right. We're going to take quick break. We'll be back. And we'll start our election or continue. With our election coverage. Oh, yeah, we've been live.

I'm in the middle of eating pizza. And things have broken down so much now that we're doing sound drops when we're off air. Enfadara. Infotata. Infatara. Indifada. Entifada. Entifada. Entifada. Endifada. Endifada. Endifada. That's what, Ezra Klein? Did he take out that op-ed saying? He was the future of the Democratic Party? Yeah, I think it was Iglesias who said he was, Eric Adams. We will get to some Eric Adams' choice Eric Adams' audio in a bit. First, it is Election Eve, and polls are closing in about seven minutes before we get to the... Polls closing, let's take a phone call from, I believe, this should be John in San Antonio. Hello? Good afternoon, Sam and Emma. This is, good evening, Sam and Emma. This is John from San Antonio. John from San Antonio. I knew it was you because I was expecting you to call. Yeah, it's been a triumphant primary season for progressives and Democratic Socialists. I expect more wins tonight and next Tuesday. This show has been an excellent job covering these races, and tonight's Senate race in Michigan featuring Abdul El-Sayed is the most important race of the cycle. Despite a record $60 million by corporate packs being spent against Abdul El-Sayed, he is the heavy favorite to win tonight. My polling average has Abdul El-Sayed up by 13.4. points. The most recent objective pollster, Emerson College, has them up by 16. El-Sayed was the Wayne County Health Director from 2023 to 2025 and is a staunch advocate for Medicare for All and banning corporate money in politics. He's a huge supporter of unions and many other progressive priorities. He has massive progressive support, despite the tremendous onslaught of corporate money, which is broken down about half of the money coming from APEC and the other half coming from 44 different corporate packs who supported Elsaid's opponent, Haley Stevens. Elsaid has recently gained in polls. If Elsaid, Troy Jackson, along with Blue State nominees like Peggy Flanagan, who's the favorite to win in next... Tuesday's Minnesota Senate race and Giuliana Stratton, who will win in very blue Illinois, there will be a massive upgrade in the Democratic Senate. If other more centrist Democrats can flip four seats in swing states, there will also be an upgrade compared to Republican senators and Democrats will control the Senate chamber. In the 7th District of Michigan, progressive Will Lawrence. who is one of the founders of the Sunrise Movement, has been leading in most polls, including the last one, with adjustments by 14 points. That poll was sponsored by one of his opponents, Centrist Maz Mazdam. Lawrence was endorsed by Bernie Sanders and Abdul El-Sayed, who both rallied with Lawrence in Lansing, Michigan on July 19th.

Stumberland's major priorities are lowering the cost of living, protecting pure Michigan, which includes a moratorium on AI data centers, saying no to endless wars and restoring the rule of law. He supports Medicare for all. The 7th District is a swing district that currently is being represented by Republican Tom Amy Coney Barrett, who won this district in 2024 by 3.7 points, and Trump won this district by one point. In the 13th District of Michigan, DSA endorsed Donovan McKinney is running against heavily self-funded and corporate-funded incumbent Shri Thanedar. McKinney's priorities are economic security, living wages, and union jobs, environmental and climate justice, health care, and housing for all, and other progressive priorities. He has a support of Justice Democrats and Bernie Sanders, who has rallied with him twice, the latest time being on July 18th. Unlike the other two races, as I mentioned earlier, this is a safe Democratic district. There's only been one poll in this race that was released in mid-July. It was sponsored by Justice Democrats that had Sanadar up by four points, but progressives and Democratic Socialists have been mostly exceeding polling expectations in races throughout this cycle. Sri Sanidadar is a wealthy man, and he loaned his campaign $13 million. He put $3.7 million in campaign funds into the cryptocurrency industry and lost $600,000 and $30,000. $1,000 on that investment. In Missouri's first district, former two-term representative from the district, Cori Bush, is running against heavily APAC-funded Wesley Bell, who beat Bush in 2024. Bush had an excellent voting record. When she was in Congress, her priorities include lowering costs and expanding opportunities, investing in public health, including Medicare for All, building safer communities. and other progressive values. She's endorsed by DSA, Justice Democrats, Bernie Sanders, and Rashida Tlaib. There's only one poll in this race from late February that was sponsored by Bush's campaign that had dealt up by four points. But again, momentum has been with Democratic Socialists and progresses in this cycle. Emma interviewed Bush on July 23rd. Wesley Bell has received $8.5 million from APAC in its offshoots in this cycle. Looking forward to next week's races in Wisconsin's Democratic gubernatorial election, DSA endorsed Francesca Hong, is the heavy favorite in this race. Hong is consistently led by wide margins in polling in this race. Even though former lieutenant governor Mandela Barnes, who is in second place, dropped out last Thursday, David Crowley, who previously dropped out, is now the leading centrist to go against Hong. Even if you combine Barnes and Crowley's numbers, Hong still leads by double digits.

Hong supports universal childcare, paid sickly for all, fully funded public schools. She wants the federal government to pass Medicare for all, but as governor, she wants to expand Medicaid and improve badger care. Like Elsa Ed and Lawrence, if they win, they'll probably be in a competitive race in the general election. Also next week in Minnesota, Senate-raised Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan is the favorite to win. She leaves centrist a federal congressman or favorite congresswoman. Sorry about that. Angie Craig in the latest poll by double digits and has led in most polls throughout the cycle. Flanagan supports Medicare for All and in corruption by making Washington work from Minnesotans. not special interests, affording your life, putting more money in Minnesota's pockets, protecting Minnesota's farmers, and other progressive priorities. She's endorsed by Bernie Sanders, who rallied with her, as well as Ilhan Omar and Ayanna Presley. Emma interviewed her on July 14th. If you have any questions or comments, I'd be happy to hear them. Thank you, because I do have two questions, Sean. Yep. The first question, which I actually want you to answer second, is where are we relative to 2006? And I will circle back to that question. But the first question is, I noticed you cited when we had Cori Bush on and other candidates. How many times did we have Abdul El-Sayed on the program?

I'm not really sure. Recently, have y'all had them on? Oh, John. We had him on in studio, and in fact, the elevator was out, and we had to make him walk up. Double-digit flights of stairs. Did he walk all the way up? He did. Oh, my God. It was, yeah, you weren't in that day. No, I wasn't in that day. We've had them on at least twice, I think, right? Got to be. Okay. Well, great. Well, I just, you cited the other candidates that we had had on, and you just didn't cite that. And I was wondering, what's up with that? Yeah, okay. Well, it was my mistake. I mean, you've definitely promoted him. He's one of the greatest Senate candidates. I think, you know, if he wins, he'll be right there up there with Bernie. Yep. The two top senators, no doubt about it. All right. I just noticed you didn't mention that we had him on, and you'd mention it with the other ones. Now you know what it feels like to work here, John. 2006. Yeah, let's get back to 2006. Because 2006. Also, polls have closed, just FYI. Polls have closed in Michigan. 2006, if I remember correctly, Democrats had a generic plus eight. going into the general around this time. I think we're probably around the same situation. In 2006, there was a growing anti-war movement. Things weren't as gerrymandered. So I think Democrats won something like, was it 40 seats or more in 2006? I think it was 30. 30. Okay. Thank you. And they won more in 2018. And they won more in 2018. This year, there's just fewer seats that are in play because of all the gerrymandering. Do you want to, you want to take a guess of where we are relative to 2006? Do you want to, do you have a comment or are we, we not there? Am I, have I gotten ahead of things? No, no. I would, you know, a lot of people already have models out. Elliot Morris just put out his model. I'm seeing consistently that Democrats are going to win between 228 and 230 seats. You know, so, you know, if you would take out the Calais decision and all the gerrymandering, you know, it would probably be.

236 to 240. So, yeah, I mean, I think that things are fairly comparable. Do you want to make a prediction about the Senate, John, or is it too early? Well, I think Democrats look pretty good right now. I mean, there's a lot of races that are very much toss-up races. And so, you know, it's going to be tough. I mean, I think even on election night, there's going to be a lot of, you know, concerns and anxiety. But, you know, we're still three months away. People start paying attention after Labor Day. Trump is going to keep doing crazy shit and our things. And that's going to make, you know, that's going to give Democrats the advantage. I mean, as we get closer, you know, things. things are usually turned to the party who already has the lead with the Democrats. And particularly the out party, too, I would imagine. Right, right. I mean, the average is 25. It used to be 26. You know, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, that would be about, you know, 10 more seats than a lot of people are predicting. But, yeah, I mean, nobody is really predicting it to Republicans they're going to win. I mean, traditional forecasters are saying that they're not giving as large of leads, but they don't do that anyway. They don't create models, you know. But, yeah, it's just, it's looking. Looking pretty good right now. And, you know, the primary season has been the best ever. And, you know, I think it's going to be pretty great for... for, you know, if we get a, you know, win both houses. And, you know, I'd like to see some kind of economic, even though, you know, Trump's going to just veto it. I mean, try to get some kind of reconciliation bill that will help people economically. You know, there's still a lot of centrist Democrats. And so, you know, it probably will be similar. to a inflation reduction act. It's not going to be Medicare for all. All that's going to be interesting. We'll have plenty of time to talk about that, but I do think it's going to be interesting because if the progressives really carry the day, and we won't know until after the general election, they might be able to force an affordability agenda that would.

create a scenario where we do get a reconciliation bill that is more progressive than even the caucus itself wants to vote for but they will because they know it's going to be vetoed and the value of that is it sets a theoretically anyways, a marker. All right, let me ask you this question. And then we're going to start, you know, really heavily drinking. Second, this is a second order thing. And, you know, we live in the era where I think a couple of weeks ago I saw that online gambling is actually a, more popular leisure activity than reading. So we're in the hellscape. But with that said, you know, we do a show and we got to service our customers. What would you put the odds? And this is a deep bet that John Fetterman flips. Because it's a function of how well Democrats do or don't do, right? If we get to 51-49, I think Vetterman's going to flip. What would you put the odds for people who are betting their kids' college education on that bet? This is not gambling advice. This is not gambling advice. It's all for entertainment. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, first he said he definitely wasn't going to flip. Oh, he's definitely going to flip. So what I'm asking is, do you think we'll get to 5149? If we're at 5149, he's going to flip. There's no doubt about it. Because he's a lunatic. Yeah, he is. Yeah. I mean, Adam Jendelson said the same thing, but, you know, he just said recently that he's not going to, betterment. Oh, okay. Okay. But, I mean, you know, I mean, who knows? Yeah, I mean, who knows? I mean, yeah, I'd love to see 52, and 52 is possible. Let me be more explicit. If I'm going to pay for Saul's college education, I need a bump right now. And so what do we got? Tell me what the odds. Do I vote that John Fetterman flips or no? Yeah, I don't know. I would probably be 50-50. I mean, you know. So what do I do? I take $75 and put it on no and $75 on yes. Is that the way I do that? I'll ask, I'll ask Brian. He knows how to bat parlays and stuff like that. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it may be 55 that he will flip, you know, but yeah. Okay. Sold. Great. Yeah. If Saul doesn't go to college, it's going to be your fault.

So, okay. All right, John from John Antonio, thanks for calling in. Hopefully, fingers crossed. I hope you're right with your vague predictions. Thanks, John. We always appreciate your expertise. All right. Thank you. I will see you later. I'm matching to talk a little bit about what's happening. Let's get Cornacki up on the big camp. So the early, what we can tell everybody right now is that the polls are closing in a majority of the state in Michigan, but not the entire state. because there are some counties that are in a different time zone. So we're going to be getting more and more. The house results. The house results. The house results are going to come in, I think, sooner because polls close in all of the competitive races that we're following at 8 p.m. But we're not going to have a full picture until 9 p.m. Let's see what Kornacki's saying. Yeah. Incidentally, we should make it clear. We have not hired Steve Kornacki. We have not. He worked. for NBC but but some of the election experts that I'm following on Twitter like the vote hub people have indicated that like so Kent County Oakland County and Wayne County are going to be really key here and that's actually what Sam told us too yes so at least from Kent County um This is a district that or a county that Haley Stevens has to do quite well in. She has to do well in Wayne, Oakland, and Kent. If she doesn't, she's fried. There you go. So those are the three to watch out for and early results are not as good as she would like in those absentee votes. But we're still looking at it very. He's moved on to Virginia. I mean. It is what it is. In Virginia. Jen Kiggins. Yeah, Jen Kiggins. Republican incumbent. Been following that one. I can now exhale. That seems fake. Kiggins Mentum continues. The other big race, I mean, there's three major races in Michigan. There's down-ballot races where there's a lot of DSA people in Michigan who are running, who have a good shot at things. The mayor of Ann Arbor, Ann Arbor is sort of like a very liberal city in Michigan, particularly from Michigan. You can go from Ann Arbor, which is, you know, very progressive. College town. College town, obviously. And University of Michigan's there. You could drive about two hours out from Ann Arbor. And...

It is, I don't know if anybody saw deliverance. You'll find the governor duct tape to a chair. Yeah. Exactly. So Michigan's a pretty diverse. State. You know, the rural urban divide is the story of America in many respects. Yes. It's also, frankly, the story of. Just about every country in many respects. Throughout history. Even in, you know, in Cuba, when I was down there, this was 25 years ago, they would bring the police. The police were hired from the country. And they'd come in and they have a natural suspicion of the urban people. Yeah. And that was a strategy. The, I just want to point out, we've talked about the Lawrence race in Michigan 7th and then, of course, McKinney in Michigan's 13th. But there's another kind of sleeper race in Haley Stevens' old district. I saw that our friend Melakiros and some other kind of Justice Democrat DSA aligned people were. supporting her as well. Aisha Faruqi, it's a four-way race in Haley Stevens' old district in Michigan's 11th. And that's just another kind of dark horse for us to pay attention to in Michigan. All right. Let's take a moment to follow the other thing. When we talk about Democratic control of the Senate, Ohio is going to be a big deal. And Sherrod Brown is doing quite well against John Husted at the moment in terms of the polls. One never knows. But what a perfect scenario you would want for a state like Ohio, which is pretty solidly read now. And, you know, a reminder that Sherrod Brown had lost is complete disarray amongst the Republican Party there. Yep. And if you were to design complete disarray, let's say you were just in like a writer's room and you're spitballing. How about we take the senator and who's got like maybe some whispers about being closeted and hiding that? And then let's give him a daughter. And have the daughter married to a sitting congressman. who turns out to be a roided up abuser of women and children. Pot twist. This is such a sitcom scenario. They're all under one roof trying to figure it out. It feels more like an hour-long drama. It sounds like Halloween 2 to me. When you find out Michael Myers is Jamie Lee Curtis's brother. Max Miller has the same haircut as Jamie Lee Curtis. But you want to add a little bit of a twist to it.

So the senator is afraid to squeal on the congressman ex-husband who has been literally abusing your daughter because he's got this secret. I don't know what it could be. We'd have to grind through the different possible narratives to come up with it. And he's got this secret. And so he doesn't come out until it's like so embarrassing for him politically to not defend his daughter that he comes out and says, hey, this guy who's abusing my daughter is a bad guy. Here is Bernie Moreno today. This is number three where he basically starts to reveal what's been going on apparently for years. Incidentally, let's go with number five. This is an important context because all the way back a year and I guess About two years ago. A year and a half. A year and a half. Wait, January of 2024. So that's, is that a year and a half? Yep. Okay. Here is Bernie Moreno talking about his son-in-law, Max Miller. Pop this up there. Thank you, Max Miller, Ohio, for your support and endorsement. You know firsthand how important it is to put the U.S. Senate back into Republican hands means ending the invasion at our border, restoring our sovereignty, cutting government spending, and unleashing American energy. Nothing about family values in there? Now, yeah, oddly. Now, I don't know how long Max Miller was married to Marino's daughter, but my sense is, that just from what I've read, because I, you know, I'm not an expert at this, that somebody who's abusive, it doesn't start in like the last three months. Do you know what I mean? No, I know what you mean. It's maybe why George Santos called Max Miller a quote, woman beater on the house floor in late 2023. Weird. Yeah. That's weird. Now, to be fair, He could have been responding to when Stephanie Grisham, who worked for Trump, claimed that Miller was beating her, or slapped her. Yeah, and you can't expect Marino to care about that. After she accused him of cheating. Also, those guys usually don't do that more than one. No. Right. Well, anyways, here's Senator Bernie Moreno talking about the incredible ordeal the family has been going through. subsequent to thanking him for the endorsement publicly and also subsequent to being really quiet about it at a time where I can understand protecting your family, but when it becomes so public that your wife is now getting a restraining, your daughter is getting a restraining order for her lawyer. You might need to actually protect your family. And then she had to get one for her lawyer.

Like, how many people in her circle does she have to get restraining orders before dad speaks up? Well, I guess it just ends with the lawyer. Here it is. Senator Murray, did the lawyer for Max Miller apologize to you? No, we did not. Do you believe that Max Miller should resign in Congress right now? Did you agree by statement? You said he's on it to serve Congress? No. Max... I did not. I said absolutely. Max... He shouldn't serve in Congress. They need serious help. That's exactly what my statement says. My statement speaks for itself. He said that you're in response to your statement. That's him saying I'm not going to endorse him resigning from Congress because Mike Johnson's numbers are so slim. That's him saying that. Did you read my statement? Well, it didn't say that you supported the resignation. You said that he was unfit to serve. And then he doesn't answer the question because he's still a coward that has dirt on him in the same way that Miller had dirt on him. And it seemed like these are open secrets within the Republican caucus. Caucus. Congress needs serious help. That's exactly what my statement says. He said that you're in response to your statement that it was to protect from your own circus. To that, you say what? That's the ramblings of madmen. What do you think of Miller telling Trump he could still win the election? I don't care about the politics of this. I hope that you guys understand. Maybe I hope you'd never have to understand what my daughter's been through, what my daughter is going through, what my wife is going through, my two boys and my other daughter are going through. This is truly a second level of hell. This has been a horrific experience for my entire family. My daughter specifically did not want this to be out in the public. That's why she asked me to say lower the temperature. You got to remember, when you don't have kids and you get divorced, you can just say farewell. You never have to see each other again. But when you have a child, you have to co-parent with that individual for the rest of your life. That means scheduling pickups, scheduling drop-offs. Endorsement for conscience. This is not something that you can just say I'll never have to deal with this guy again. My daughter lives in constant fear of this man. Not like... something that's existential, but deeply in her heart. She fears what this guy is capable of. You can't fathom what that makes me feel like. Why is this? Opening and closing over and over again. And to have this whole thing out in a public like this is not what I wanted to do, is not what my daughter wanted to do. But on Sunday, when he went out and did what he did, including. releasing photos of my granddaughter completely naked. All right, pause it for a second. Okay, you know what? I mean, look, I am trying to, I am honestly trying to empathize with their predicament. And I'm trying to put myself in their position and I can understand like you don't want to.

You want to lower the temperature as much as you can. But I'm sorry. Like when it came out that she had a restraining order against him, nobody involved in politics didn't realize that this wasn't going to get bigger. And when she came out and had to get a restraining order for her attorney because the guy was trying to beat up her attorney, this sounds so disingenuous to me. Yeah. And the fact that he's now going further and look, if you want to minimize this for the kids and for your daughter, for your grandkids and your daughter, you don't talk about pictures of the two-year-old. I mean, I'm sorry. This is so twisted on every side of it. It's, I can't even, like, it's so disturbing. I miss this development of the picture release. Me too. Yes. I saw that he had mentioned that that Miller apparently took the child's toy away that they can't sleep without a bunny and that wouldn't use that and wouldn't give it back, which sounds as psychotic. This picture thing and what they're referring to the lawyer about the apology was apparently in addition to filming that Kevin Spacey style video in his kitchen about how. He was innocent. He also posted a Dropbox folder with a bunch of images, including one in which the child's genitals may have been. First of all, that's a federal offense. You can get arrested for that now. But why did Trump endorse him in 2022 against a Republican that had voted for impeachment? Shared values. Exactly. But what Marino's doing now is gross. Yeah. You say, look, I'm protecting my family. I'm worried about my daughter. This guy should not only resign from his campaign or quit his campaign. The guy should walk himself down to the police department and that's it. That's my comment. Period. End of story. But. This is just weird. Go ahead. Thousands of psychotic human beings that have that, and they say, oops, is grotesque. My personal opinion is that this is a felony and that every single human being that touched that photo and transmitted it electronically should go to jail because it is illegal to do that. This has been brutal. beyond comprehension. And if there's any minimum standard for being an elected official, as I said, he fails to meet that minimum basic standard. I don't care about the politics at all. Don't think about it. It doesn't enter my consciousness. Respectfully, why didn't you say something earlier? This has been going on for such a long time. As I just said, and as maybe you don't understand. Yeah. When your daughter tells you, you have to de-escalate this thing, because you want to keep it private. This has been going on for two years. Why did you just cover it today instead of covering it a year ago? This has been going on. This was about de-escalation. Every single week, she has to go arrange for a pickup and drop off of this little child. Just this Sunday, I had to go. Imagine this. I had to go pick her up.

Because I don't want my daughter interacting with this man. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm so struck by how much he is centering himself in his daughter's abuse. Is anyone else noticing that? Yeah, I'm noticing it, but I just part for the course for a politician. But I mean, I guess, like, you would hope that he would basically talk about her pain. And, like, he's talking in general about what the family's going through. And he's like, can you imagine what I had to go through picking her up? I mean, I just noticed this with more conservative men and how they talk about their daughters. He doesn't say my grandchild. Yes. I don't know. He's a weird dude. Something feels very strange, and I don't take it on his word that this is anything his daughter wants, even what he's doing right now or what he's been doing. There is definitely like an element of this story that is, there is a part of this. Like, yes, there is, it's like. You're watching people. All you're seeing is sort of the implication of somebody driving around something. You don't see what they're driving around. But here's Marino. And then here is CBS News political correspondent, Katie Huey Burns, detailing. Oh, well, that's basically it. Yes, it's what he was about to do. So John Thune in a profile of courage comes out and addresses this. And I have to say, I'm a skeptical guy. But when I saw this Republican leader get up in front of that microphone and address this, I thought, wow, here's a guy. who really believes in the family values that the Republican Party has always espoused, who really believes in honor and doing the right thing, and not, and the buck stops here with John Thune. One of the members of your conference, Senator Bernie Moreno, is publicly calling on Max Miller's former son-in-law to resign from Congress and make these allegations. Do you side with Senator Bernie Moreno and should Max Miller resign? I'm just, one, it's a very, it's a very sad and unfortunate case. It is a family matter, and I just, I don't have any. observations beyond that. If a member of Congress is facing allegations of domestic reviews, should they continue to serve in that role? Well, you're talking about this particular case? Yes. Okay. Well, I mean, I think, again, that's something that the House of Representatives, House matter.

And obviously, as I said before, it's a family issue, too, in this case. But I think those decisions on the future there are going to be made ultimately by the people of Ohio. And I think that's true. And I would say that of any similar case. It ultimately comes down. It's an issue between whoever that person is and the voters that they represent. and then obviously the institution in which they serve. And when we've had circumstances like this, we refer them to the Senate Ethics Committee. Senator Langford, who chairs that committee is here, and there is a process by which those determinations get made. You know, I have to say, he's right. Domestic violence is a family matter. That's true. To call a domestic matter. By definition. By definition, I mean, it's hard to argue. He really took a very strong position on that. I realized at the end why that microphone was pointed at basically ass level. Here's the question. How late in the year can Miller drop out? Because... I should be clear here. I don't think he can't, right? You know, I think that's part of why they're clinging to him, right? Is that not the case? I don't know. We're going to be big into that. But I should be honest. Oh, my God. By August 5th at 4 p.m. That's the deadline tomorrow. It'll be in less than 24 hours. There you go. Wow. Let me say this. I think Max Miller, you know, I don't know. All of these are allegations. I can't really judge. But even if I didn't know these allegations, I'd say Max Miller, he's a shit. Bernie Moreno, he's a shit. All of them are bad people. And I hope that John Thune Being at the profile and cowardice that he was in that moment keeps Max Miller in the race and that they lose this race and that the whole thing becomes a just more of a cover up and more of an indication and built into the narrative of how corrupt all these people are. So I'd be lying if I didn't say. I mean, good on you. This is exactly the type of thing that I think is helpful for the country. Yes, agreed. I think it's helpful for the Republican Party. Yeah. And the only thing I would add is that I hope Husted gets pulled into this. And he also says the wrong thing, which I think is likely. We're going to find out Max Miller's his nephew. Exactly. Max Miller is my son. All right, what do we got going on? Should we have a little bit of fun about this reflecting pool? Yes, I have been quite enjoying this story of the feud between...

Jeanine Pirro and Donald Trump. Oh, I feel like every time I hear Jeanine Pirro's name, I should refill my glass. Well, I've got the wine. I've got the wine in here for us, although I think she probably prefers something stronger. Drinking a wine out of a coffee mug and a straw, I think captures Janine Puro in a way that nothing else could. You know what, girl? I mean, salute, because your days might be numbered. I need it. Yeah, she's going to need it, and it's because she didn't deliver on the indictment of the Olympian, who clearly, clearly, was interfering with the lining of the reflecting pool, the canoeist, was... It was subterfuge. Can I just say, like, I would I love to have been in the room when they're like, yeah, we got somebody under arrest for this reflecting pool thing? And then they found out it was an Olympian. Yes. So good. And so. She came out super strong with her indictment. And they didn't have the evidence to support it, shockingly. And so there was an eyewitness that basically said, no, he didn't interfere with the reflecting pool. They came out. They came out with some explanation to appease Trump blaming the Department of the Interior. So passing the buck as well. But also to the contractor and saying it was the contractor's fault for doing it hate. And we've shown that contractor before the guy that looks like the Undertaker I may have to give him another 14 million Yeah, so and also the video of them driving in the emptying out one in the motorcade going back and forth I don't care if it's not dry I want to drive over it I don't know if there's a news story that's made me laugh harder. I guess since Haley Stevens is like, you know, antics, the ballrooms, but this might be fun here to me because of the involvement of Jeanine Pirro and because she's been such a loyal soldier for so long and that she's being humiliated in this way. It really is wonderful. Here's a news story on it before we get to Trump. President Trump is criticizing the Justice Department's decision to draw vandalism charges against former Olympian David Hearn in connection with damage to the reflecting pool. Pause it, you know, because Olympians are typically so anti-American. Right, exactly. They're known for it. These guys. The way they suck the national spirit out of us so that they can succeed in bobsledding or whatever it is. It's disgusting. Thank God. We are holding these Olympians to account. I know. Is there a nun, an Olympian, an astronaut? Exactly.

The cowboy that we arrested at the... He's criticizing the Justice Department's decision to draw vandalism charges against former Olympian David Hearn and connection with damage to the reflecting pool in Washington, D.C. U.S. attorney Jeanine Pirro says newly uncovered evidence points to a faulty contractor installation and not vandalism as the cause of that damage. Possible. Newly uncovered. Who is obfuscating this evidence? We broke this cameraing. Yeah, we broke this case wide open. It's the person you last expect. We put our top agents on this, and we found out that the reflecting pole was done chittling. Go ahead. Turns out the guy with a cigar hanging out in the ballroom. Do we have that? Hold on. There's a deep throat situation here. It was the contractor. Look to the quality of the paint they put on. That guy, no way. I'll see if I could find this. Here's footage of the presidential, the presidential cars driving over the pool. All I'll say is look at the camera footage. All right. faulty contractor installation and not vandalism as the cause of that damage, making it impossible to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. Oh, yeah. Well, that's a big problem. Pause it. When you have evidence that it was faulty contractors and not somebody actually vandalizing, it makes it harder to prove that they're vandalizing. That's true. Unfortunately, this guy was the one that we showed was the guy that got the cleaning contract, so it's not as applicable, but it's still very funny. The Olympian went undercover. That's what happened as a contractor. It's the deep state. not vandalism as the cause of that damage, making it impossible to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. But just a month ago, Jeanine Pirro was confident in her prosecution. The evidence shows, and we will prove beyond a reasonable doubt. She's performing for one person in the entire world with it. I know. Beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't think so. Willfully. destroyed property at the Lincoln Memorial reflecting pool. That's right, get her. Hey, what happened? He says he disagrees with this recent decision. Attorneys for David Hearn, who had pleaded not guilty to felony destruction of property charge, are now calling for an apology from the Trump administration.

I don't like that at all. Here's Donald Trump. He's not happy about this. This is him talking about Jeanine Pirro. Because the judge was extremely unfriendly to Janine. And frankly, I think she choked. Because the judge was really vicious. Instead of going after the people that did it, the judge went after her and went after her department. And I guess she choked. I don't know what the hell happened. Are you reconsidering the role? I don't know what. You're fake news. Don't, don't ever talk again. You're fake news. One of the worst of the business. Fortunately, nobody watches you. But something happened. It was vanity because he's so mad. He's the only time he's like activated and alive. He was extremely unfriend. He is so mad. So. Don't you ever talk again. Don't ever talk again. Can we put up the tear sheet? Because I did really love this truth of his. I'm so mad. Um. Does the Wall Street get access to this truth social before anybody else? Which, by the way, that whole thing is just so you can insider trade, right? Of course. When he tweets to manipulate the markets. Of course. It is front running the market. I mean, honestly, like if I, the one piece of financial advice I would give people, if you had. $800,000, spend $100,000, get that early access, and you place one bet on what he says, and that's it. Yes. So here's Trump. Oh, we're going to get Saul in here. I know. Like an AI Saul. I disagree 100% with Jeanette Piro, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. For now. On the reflecting pool. I don't know what she was thinking. He didn't write this. To me, it was a pure case of vandalism that included the grass, which had been a big... which had a big 8640. Well, James Comey's been there again. James Comey's been there. And blazing in giant letters on it and other elements surrounding area. So he's saying there were crop circles with 8647 on the reflecting pool lawn. Got it. This is the most powerful man on the planet. There may have been some contracted difficulty, but the major damage was caused by vandals. I was sure that wasn't the other guy and not Noah Liles because that is on the turf there. Oh, yeah. There we go. I think Trump's ever said emblazoned? Imblazoned.

Yeah. That was, that's maybe Chad, Chad GPT. That's my, uh, 8647. I don't remember this story, but I don't particularly care, um, to be honest. Well, uh, Jeanine Pirro was spotted leaving the White House in disgrace. We just have a short short. She had some big white, white box. Was that like all her like, or that was like, or that was like. Family picture. Yeah. Here's my glow. Yes. Yes. They played this on CNN last night. Yes. And Kaitlan Collins, who's on top of this, was saying that this was highly unusual, which is whatever interesting. I wonder if she's honestly moving out with all her stuff. It would be nice. Oh, God. Bye-bye. It's a box of files. That also includes my little tiny cactus and my... And about a half dozen empties. I hang in there, poster. Exactly. She's collecting the bottles, okay? For a decorative thing she's doing in her apartment. And 27 tequila bottles. Yeah, right. Yeah, and somehow the DOJ got less drunk than it had bed. I love that story. Let's turn to what's going on. We have Kornacki. We have Kornacki, but I'm just now looking. I just turned on and I, Van Jay Jones. I don't, like, if there was a way to block words. So with five? Man Jay Jones on any social media. Okay. He won? Bell won? No, no. He's going to be heavily favored in early voting, but that's a very bad sign. All right. Let's pop this up here and see what we're at. Let's go live. In the Democratic primary continues to be an extremely... Close race right here. Ethan Corson, less than 1,000 votes behind Cindy Holshir. Damn, I was going for Scoot. We've got, okay, this is where Kansas City, the city of Kansas City, Kansas is the place where the chiefs are going to be playing, starting in 2030. I don't know if I have a candidate that I care about in Kansas. I just want one who's going to win. Levinworth, that's small. But again, it does just catch my eye that when you're getting out to the bigger population places outside of the immediate Kansas City area, even you're getting to Lawrence, the college. college town here, you know, Holshur is leading there. But again, this is statewide. This is 921 votes. We got Michigan? Yeah, we have more vote out of Washington. I think we have, you know, we have about three quarters of the election day vote. Oh, isn't Washington now? Okay. Oh, wow. Okay. So when we last checked in, this was sitting a little bit north of this. So what did the most recent vote look like? So the most recent batch? It, like I said, I think it was mostly election day. I'm just loading it up right now. El-Sayed wins it 66 to 31, basically. Okay, it was all election day vote. Uh...

Primarily. There was some other mix in there. But I remember earlier, I mentioned some of those counties or some of those precincts in Ann Arbor and Ipsilania that at zeros, those now have numbers. So we're just filling in these different precincts. We're getting election they vote from Ann Arbor in here. Yes. And how much actual just mail do we have? Our current estimate for just mail, let me take a look. I like this. They seem to be like constructing this like we do, and they work for NBC. Yeah. It takes us to 5%. I saw that. Cornacki's a T-totaler, though. What you're looking at right there. Oh, we got some Saginaw. Okay, it's only a couple hundred votes here. I saw that there's not big enough. This is when you get sort of a scattering that has an 100 percent. Let's not lose sight of Saginaw because that becomes significant as we get more right there. But let's go back to Washington. 16% of our estimated mail vote. 16% of the vote by mail and what share of the election day vote estimated is in? 77%. Okay, so the one thing you would say is this. This, the by vote type here, what's counted so far is much more from the Abdul El-Sayed side favorable type of vote than it is from the Stevens type of vote. So, you know, she was running at about 28% when we got that first batch in. Again, with Election Day vote, which is not her best, she popped that up to 30. She needs big numbers and vote by mail. Again, we showed you the past. establishment candidates in this county have been in the mid-40s. She just got it up to 30.0 percent. There is a fair amount of vote by mail to come right there, and I think that's the big question, Adam. It's really not just more vote in Washington, but, you know, when we get vote by mail, if that number, if it's coming in at some kind of a rate that's going to move that needle for Stevenson. That's Washington. We did get another report out of Eaton, where now happened in Eaton overall. Okay. And now this, okay, now Stevens has moved up a bit here. Did we just get some vote by mail? Yeah, she won this most recent batch. I'm trying to take a look. Let's see what we can see. Karnacki. It looks like, yes, this is mostly male. These guys are worse than us. We need Kornaki. Dude, we need you to pick up your game. Of the expected vote on mail. How much has been counting? Well, I mean. Oh, no. Do you have it that we save for later? I see... What? Okay, okay. Right now, I'm genuinely concerned. 24%. Okay, about a quarter of the expected vote by May. Well, if we want to do, I send something in our chat that might tide us over. You mentioned Van Jay Jones. Apparently, he's having a meltdown on CNN right now about APEC, shocker.

the criticism from the Democratic electorate about the progenocide money in our primaries trying to buy our elections. You know, you know what I would like to do? I feel like we're probably maybe, I don't know, six, 12, 18 months out from this. But we should take the commentariat. And to be fair, we should be involved in something like that. And we should be put into colosseums where just like a cross section of people, I'm sure there's a way to do this mathematically, get to vote whether, you know, lion or no lion. Right. Because increasingly I'm convinced that Van Jay Jones has no constituency. that he is representative of nobody's opinion, except for some very, very wealthy people. People forget, he got, what was it, $100 million? He was given a grant, was it by Bill Gates? This is like two or three years ago, and it's not to go to him. It's for him to distribute. But, um... Think about what it takes to convince somebody. Jeff Bezos. Oh, Jeff Bezos. A hundred million dollar unrestricted grant through the inaugural Courage and Civility Award. And I wonder. He's so courageous. I wonder if you are a social entrepreneur like Van Jay Jones, if you think, where's the best place for me to donate this money that it has the most opportunity to return to me? You know, they say if you love something, Let it go. And if it comes back, if it comes back, it was, you know, it was meant to be. I suspect. What a romantic you are. I suspect he calculated, how can I make sure this money loves me in a way? He's wearing the Robert Kraft pin, right? The stop anti-Semitism pin? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's also known as the Robert Kraft pin. Well, if Emma's talking in front of Sam, it is. I didn't know Robert Kraft was. You just gave me a death glare. I mean, what's more wearing an Epstein pen? Look, I've got no like to stand. I've got Mara. I've got no like to stand on because of Dolan. So we're all, it's all equal opportunity. But I am pointing out that that is Robert Kraft's eye in this organization. And it might be interesting to look into the fact if he has any affiliation with them. Is that disclosed on CNN? Or any of these consultants that go on there that attack leftist candidates who would damage their pocketbook and not allow them to get these, like, hefty media consulting buys and commissions? Like, is that ever disclosed? You're not allowed to wear pins your friends give you now? It's just amazing. I know. Democratic-based voters want. Okay, Van Jay Jones, what are the stakes here for Democrats? The entire consulting. consultant class, that's interesting. Okay, Van Jay Jones, what are the stakes here for Democrats? Look, this is the whole ball of wax. I'm from Jackson, Tennessee. There was a guy named Gil Scott Herron, who had a great poem. It was called The Revolution Will Not Be Televised. Gil Scott Heron is wrong. The Revolution is being televised and podcasts and streamed.

And the elected. He thinks this is to something more saying. He's a moron. Holy crap. It's because... I mean, sorry. I'm sorry. I just have to say, like, this is actually very good proof of Gil Scott Herron's Revolutional Abbey. Because guess what? Haley Stevens was relying on you idiots on cable and all the ad buys that they did. And she wasn't out in the actual community. Whereas Abdul El-Sayed was. Like, that... That's what the difference we're seeing. You can obsess on the podcast. I mean, sorry. You know, but the point being is that not only is he horrible in a myriad of ways. One of them is not understanding a seminal song. Gil Scott's not warning that the revolution is going to happen on TV. Right. Right. Hey, TV guys. Heads up. Actually, Gil Scott Heron was wrong. Like, you should know, like... Is this Van saying, I'm a revolutionary? You think Gil Scott Heron was wrong. All the kids like TikTok now. It is his way of saying, like, I'm familiar with what's going on in the revolutionary sect. You know, that must work... This must work in rooms with donors. All the... Time. That's the cool guy. That is exactly it. It is just like... That's the cool guy. This is... And the... And the... The analogy with showbiz is also just... I mean, it's all showbiz. It's sales. Yeah. This is sales. And a certain part of showbiz is also sales. Like, you know, Polly Shore walks into the room and it's just like, hey guys. And this is like, I'm going to get to the youth people. And it's hard to describe. But when you go in those rooms and you're someone that cares about politics, you can sense that nobody else cares about it and they care about sales. It's, I mean, it's just because most people have no fucking clue. And you've got really wealthy people with no fucking clue. And all they're looking for is the person who seems to have the confidence in what they're saying. Yeah. And that's it. And he walks into that room. He has that confidence. He regurgitates back to them what they are in place. It's almost like the mentalists who are going around now who like read people and then they just feed back. Or it's like these therapists that specifically have really wealthy clientele and you find out that it's just because they're affirming all of their worst impulses. I mean, that's literally who I was thinking of. Yeah.

Bill Scott Heron is wrong. The revolution is being televised and podcasts and streamed and elected tonight. Why is that? It's because there is a credibility gap that's opened up between the Democratic Party establishment and this insurgency. People are looking at people and they're saying, you've been telling us the same thing for a long time and our lives are not eating better. We got Donald Trump twice. There's also an innovation gap. Why can you spend $60 million and get whoop like this? Because the old model was you get the donors to get the consultants to buy a bunch of ads and you win. That's how you get attention. This movement says, I don't need donors, ads, I don't need consultants. I'm going right to the people with TikTok and grassroots. And they've disintermediated the entire donor class, disintermediated the entire consultant class. And this is a revolution. This is going to happen again and again. The Democratic Party is now Blockbuster. These kids are Netflix. We are selling CDs out the trunk. This is Napster becoming Spotify, and it's happening tonight. Okay, we are selling CDs out the trunk. Is he referring to himself there? Because if the CDs are... I think he is. He explicitly said we. Okay, I just... It was hard to follow what the hell he was talking about. But, like, I mean, that is him at least having a modicum of self-awareness, which I was not expecting, that, yeah, the CDs, aka the slaughter of children that you've been selling to people that you made a punchline on Bill Maher is not necessarily the brand that people want to associate with. Yeah. That's the problem. I mean, his analysis, I think, in some respects, is correct. I mean, it's also sort of the low-hanging fruit. They're losing. And he's also, what you're looking at is the retreat position, which is. They're more hip to the media. I mean, it's, it's innovation gap. I'm sorry. He's, he's moving. Right. Innovation. Like organizing on the ground. That's a new innovation. Whoa. Where did that come from? But the argument is you can almost see the sales pitch. This is the way they do it, right? They tell you, you smell. Fortunately. I have some new deodorant that I'm selling. He's literally doing that on TV. And you know what's, but also you know who is ahead on digital, who we just sat on the show, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, in 2018, all of those squad members, they were ahead on digital on digital communication. And now everybody in the establishment's like, how can we get some digital communication? And the squad and the left is trying to make inroads on traditional media. But they're late to it. It's gone. But it's not a delivery mechanism. Of course. Of course. But if he makes it.

If he makes it like, the problem is we're being out tacticaled. If he makes it about tactics, then he has a product to sell whoever it is is the buyer. We don't know who the buyer is. Exactly right. But all he's doing is setting up, I mean, literally, and people should understand this. And it even happens on this level. The consultants, the people who get hired to do PR and promotion and work on campaigns, they come on shows like this on CNN. They get jobs on CNN. They come on to shows like this. We generally don't have those type of people very often. But what they're doing is they are creating a reel or they are creating a brand or they are. creating a narrative that they can then monetize I don't know who his clients are or whatnot but that's what's going on there with that so he could say like look the real problem is Gaza like it's quite clear I mean look it is quite clear regardless of what your position is on this I imagine most people agree without here but I'm just trying to be yeah Regardless of what your position is, it is quite clear that the Democratic primary voter has basically said, this is a litmus test, if you want to call a litmus test, or just simply like a measure of character, or a just a, you know, will I answer the door when you knock test? is our role as a country relative to what's going on in Israel and Gaza, in West Bank and Israel and the Palestinians and Israel, etc. And he can't say that. Because I suspect a lot of his money comes from those people. So instead he says there's actually another solution. Well, I wonder if I wonder if he saw this on the broadcast. This is just a short clip, including some some interviews with voters in Michigan, including one voter that says, I'm not voting for anybody who takes money from APEC. I don't want somebody in somebody else's pocket, that they have to agree to what they want to, you know, too many people like that in politics. Abdul. And why is that? Because it doesn't take money from AIPAC. I'm not voting for anybody who takes money from AIPAC. And why is that? Because the money should be spent here. Not over there. Overall change in people who had an independent view and thought process of what's right for the voters, not what's right for corporate packs or what's right for any affiliations that support them. So there you go.

This ain't going anywhere, even if Abdul wins this primer and loses it in the general. I understand what people are afraid of that, and the centrist will love that opportunity to use it. But the fundamentals are way too strong for that. This stuff ain't going anywhere. I have a natural sort of allergy to being that confident. But if I had to bet, I would bet you're right. I would, like, you know, there is a clear trajectory that's happening. And whether it can overcome in the short term, you know, the forces aligned to it is one question. But in terms of where the trajectory is going, that's a completely another question. And what's interesting is, look, the amount of money that we give Israel, we've spent. almost that amount in attacking Iran in whatever it's been three months. Traditionally, like foreign aid, regardless of what kind it is, statistic, you know, like in terms of math is a very small portion of our budget. We've given Israel probably in total, not even... a third of what we spend annually on our own military budget. And I mean, over the course of 75 years. But the construct of let's spend the money here instead of there is very effective. It is the best way to communicate that to people, even though the reality is... We should not be giving them money because you can go from, it's not in our national interest all the way through all the morality associated with it. I mean, it's, I think, um... two points. I keep referencing it, but it was a very illuminating interview for me, at least, from Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez where she said you have to be making three arguments at the same time about any political issue. You have to make an economic argument. You have to make a political argument. And then the moral argument. So we can make all three for those. And then also it's like what undercuts their source of political power with their base. And I still think that they gestured towards some sort of populism with the doge cuts about, you know, whatever, trans plays in Somalia or whatever the hell they were talking about. But, like, essentially the construct of the argument was we shouldn't be spending money overseas and we should be spending it here. This undercuts that in a substantive way that isn't... a lie. Like Trump lied to get into power. No new wars. I'll fix the economy. He started the worst war and ruined the economy. And how Abdul has approached this particular issue.

It also defangs some of the Islamophobic attacks against him when he says that it's like no foreign aid in general, like we should be spending it here. He mentions Egypt, which is also a country that's complicit in the genocide in Gaza. And that's, you know, his ethnicity as well. And also a country that happens to be the second largest recipient of U.S. aid. And ask the question why. And it's because on the other side of the Gaza border in the southwest. Yep. There's Egypt and the canal, of course. But there we go. So we now are past nine. So polls are closed officially in Michigan and Missouri. Let's see if Kornacki's got his shit together or maybe Anton has. God. Dude, how can we basically... I'm not going to say that. Older voters, tends to be more establishment friendly. It tends to be more... Oakland County. There we go. She's got to win big here. She's not. She does her best... She needs a lot in early voting in Oakland County, and they're basically tied. They already called the Bell Bush for a Wesley Bell. Damn, dude. But I would say it's only a... two-point advantage with what we think is sort of... Wesley Bell crush Corey. I'm... I'm... Well, election day vote. Folks who went to the polls and voted in person today. And what we've been seeing throughout the rest of Michigan tonight and what we've been seeing across this primary season is that election day vote tends to be... Younger, younger voters, more progressive voters. The fuel for these sort of left-wing candidacies that have won in these Democratic primaries has come in that election day vote, meaning that's the vote. We've seen it across Michigan so far. It's more friendly to Abdul El-Sayed. And so, Stevens, this is a county. This isn't just any county. There's 83 on the map. This is one of paramount importance to her. She has to win Oakland County tonight. She has to win it by, I'd say, a substantial margin. She leads. by two points with 60% of the vote in. But if that remaining vote that's going to be coming in here is the election day vote that's as pro Abdul El-Sayed as we've been seeing elsewhere, the opportunity for him to pass her here. And for her not to get that kind of number she needs out of Oakland, I think is very real. Because I think that's really been the story that we've seen. As I zoom back out here and look at the statewide total, 17% right now. Abdul El-Sayed with that eight-point advantage, he has been absolutely cleaning up with the election day vote. Stevens has been holding her own with the vote by mail. Some of these big counties that have reported, you know, a place like this right here, decent-sized Eaton County, decent-sized Livingston County, excerpts of Detroit right here. the Stevens number might improve as that absentee vote comes in that vote by mail comes in right now oh and we just got I just see some some more sag and I thought there might be a little more there apologize for that but the bottom line is that Oakland number well it is it is higher for Stevens than it is for Abdul El-Sayed is it as high as Stevens wants it to be yeah

So, Steve, you know, and I've been talking to folks with the Abdul El-Sayed campaign, to your point, they have been laser-focused on this same-day vote, specifically looking at younger voters, African-American voters. So take us inside some of the counties where those votes are reflected. Wayne County, I know, slow to vote. We're probably not going to get that for a little while. But what are you seeing so far? Any indication about... those two constituencies? Well, yeah, Wayne County, we have very little. There's a little bit here from the city of Detroit that's come in right now. That's the one hope, I think, for Stevens in Wayne County, where we have seen in polls that she's been doing better than Abdul El-Sayed with black voters. The city of Detroit is 75% black. It is in Wayne County. It's not all of Wayne County. There are other parts of Wayne County that I think are very fertile ground for Abdul El-Sayed. But the opportunity there for Stevens, if she really is getting a big number among black people, voters, you would really see that in Detroit, and that could help her there in Wayne County. But you ask, too, about younger voters and take a look next door in Washingtonaw County. This is Ann Arbor. This is the University of Michigan. I keep saying the University of Michigan, this is also Eastern Michigan University. I don't want to leave them out. But Abdul El-Sayed here, look at this, up nearly 40 points in Washingtonaw County. And I think this one's significant. This is a big piece of the puzzle, too. It's a little bit more than 5% of all the votes cast statewide are going to come out of Washingtonaw County. And this is the kind of place where if you're Stevens, I think you knew going into the night you were not going to win Washington County because of what we're talking about, college, young, all of that sort of thing. But you want to hold your own. You need to tread water. You need to be running at like 45%, 44%. Other candidates who are sort of like establishment candidates in Democratic primaries in Michigan who've been successful. That's what they've done in Washington County. She's barely breaking 30% right there. And there's still a lot there left in Washington County that could be very friendly to Abdul El-Sayed. So that's, you know, between what we just showed you in Oakland County and what you're seeing there in Washington County. We haven't really even touched Wayne yet because we don't have much. But those, you know, those numbers, if you're Stevens, I think in both places, you might be looking for a bigger number than you're seeing right now. Yeah. All right. Steve, do not go far. We're, of course, going to come back to you every few minutes throughout the night. Where's you going to go? He's not going to go anywhere. Nobody cares about what you guys saying. Okay. So there you go. If you see how that works, that was great. And I think you saw the moment, right? I mean, look at that. What did they do? They just said, don't go away and then they cut back to him. But this is such a huge. We don't need to talk to them. Yes. I'm here in a sec. We have some breaking bad news.

The race has been called. I'm not sure by which media. Cori Bush has lost to Wesley Bell. You know, I'm called here in CNN. Yeah, I'm seeing it everywhere. That was a very strange race. It was very quiet. Yeah, and, you know, we had heard issues about Bush's constituent services in the last cycle, and that problem seemed to persist. So. And in the squad, I know to Lib endorsed her. Yeah. And I don't know if Ilhan Omar did. I'm not sure. And I'm not sure the rest of the squad. I mean, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has stayed out largely out of the house in general. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I. I've worried there's other races where it's like, why isn't this candidate getting more of the support from national figures? And you wonder if just the internals, they're like, we can't waste it on this? Yeah. It's such an uphill battle. I mean, the constituent servicing doesn't answer the question of like why Wesley Bell is so. popular there despite his record. I would question it on the criminal justice thing in his time as a prosecutor, but also just the Israel stuff. He's bought and paid for Israel show, and it doesn't have the salience in that district like it does in so many others. Yeah. Perhaps he has like better local connections. That would make sense. I mean, campaign manager got outed for having a veiled profit connection. Yeah, I mean. I mean, but also we should be clear. I mean, look, there's none of this is, there's no one answer. And so there could be weakness in her candidacy, weakness that she exhibited locally as a congressperson. And then to the extent that there was interest in her candidacy. It gets, that's where the money makes a difference. You know, there's not going to be a time where the existence of that money is necessarily means that they're going to lose. Right. I mean, the money is very powerful. I mean, that's what makes Syed's victory. Which, we don't know yet, but. Frankly, I've seen enough. Okay. I mean, there's nowhere she's winning. She's winning by 1% in Oakland County, which where she needs to rack up the votes. Yeah, no, I hear you. I'm just, I can't. But, but okay, that's fine. But he's going to be $30 to $60 million.

It's just that's not going to happen every time. It's just not going to. When we get out two years, four years, six years, eight years, as the institutions that help the organizing grow, the money is going to become less and less relevant. But. In the main, when you see that kind of money, you should go, we got a problem. And that's clearly what happened with, you know, the Bell and Bush race. Bush may not be, her issue set may be great. She as a candidate, and perhaps as a legislature, I don't know. I mean, she did some very brave things. The eviction moratorium, I think, doesn't get talked about enough. Yes, and her, you know, basically sleeping on the steps of the Capitol. And I can't believe she's still having to answer questions about why she didn't support the bipartisan infrastructure bill when, in fact, she wanted the BBB. Yeah, of course. But, I mean, that's a hard thing. I would say even our audience, as you say that, 60% of our audience doesn't immediately know what you're talking about. Right. Thinking about it, there's still going to be 30, 40% have no idea. It's a hard thing to communicate. And I don't know what level of child poverty is in that district. Could that have been more of a pronounced impact when the money gets cut off? When the money gets cut off. And then she gets blamed even if there's not, you know, communication. That's not legit. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing that like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, I think fundamentally really understands. And having spent just the summer in a congressman's office in D.C. you get a sense of like how locally oriented they are. And, you know, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez spends a lot of time in her district. And she. focuses on those services. And Ilhan Omar is also very... She's very adept. I mean, she was a politician. And Summerlee, both came... Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's an exception, but both Summerlee and Ilhan Omar in terms of squad members came out of their state legislatures, and they both have reputations as well as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for having excellent constituent services. Yep. So that's a tough loss, but... You know, I think there's clearly a formula. I mean, a lot of times, like, you know, over the years, I've said this a couple of times. In the main, we see shadows. We don't actually see what's actually happening. We see shadows, which are representative of what's happening.

And the contours of that are distorted. Yes. Based upon where the light is. I mean, everybody knows how shadows works. Right. That's how shadows work. Yeah. Okay. You hesitated for a moment. I just, I'm sorry. I wasn't completely fixated on what you were saying. I was looking at something else. Fixing and what you said. You didn't listen to what I said. I was listening to what you were saying. That's all right. That's never happened to you before, right? No, no, no, no. But that the, we. What we end up reporting on very often is shadows, and we try and translate what that is. We have no insight as to was Cori Bush's constituent service is really bad, was, did other people in Congress feel like, you know, something was a miss in her office? Did she staff poorly? Who knows? But it didn't work out. And it was a quiet race, relatively speaking. I mean, I don't even think we heard from them. Well, we had her on when you were out. Oh, well, that explains it. Yeah, you're out galvanting around Hollywood. Yeah, yeah. Jesus. But, you know, we've always also had just so many damn politicians on recently. Like, I mean, it's, it's a balance. Not, that's not always how we want to, I think, educate the audience, because they all have an agenda. And it can be difficult, but it's also this, like. weighing of we can make an impact in this race and it's also can be I think over emphasized by people who like political media that the political media will do it we never heard anything from Hong and she like stormed to victory we never had her on I mean I think we made early on I remember people asking us to have her on and I think we made a decision that like We're not going to really get involved in governor's races. Right. And she's still like rocketed. She's still got a whole bunch of success despite not much independent media support. Yeah. I was interviewed for by somebody from Reuters about like. Is it, do you feel like you're, you know, you're rocketing left-wing politicians? And we're like, well, I think it helps when we do it early on so that they can get more sort of volunteers and maybe some fundraising. But like, we have a small part to play in a bigger ecosystem. And the point is there's an ecosystem now. Well, the fact that we have any part to play upsets them. That's why there was the backlash to the Graham Platner thing that you largely miss. But, like, yeah, it was. But, I mean, like, they are, they wanted that because that was a misstep and the candidate that obviously had issues and didn't work out that this space was supportive of, many in the space were supportive of. There were people taking an opportunity to discipline this space. I don't think this reporter was, was, was, had a axe to grind.

in that respect. They were just asking me in general. And the fact is, like, we are only as effective as the rest of the ecosystem that exists. We haven't really fundamentally done anything different. I haven't done anything different in 25 years here. Yeah. Well, we need upgrade the cameras. We did. Barely. And they're the same cameras. The same cameras. We just changed the cable. We plug them into a different place. But the point being is that there is a ecosystem for which, like, what we provide is helpful, but only because the ecosystem exists. And so the... The, you know, having a lot of politicians on is helpful to the extent that it's helpful, but, you know, we're not making or breaking anybody, but we're, like. Oddly, I feel like the most impact I had on any, or an interview I did on any race was outside of the show was when I did Matt Bernstein's show with, with Mallory McMorrow. Yeah, I mean, sabotaged McMorrow. Now she's really getting 3%. Yeah, I mean. She was just, she went completely, uh, I don't know which one. Oh, I knew it was going to be so loud too in my ear. Ain't nothing going to break up my stride. Ain't nothing going to slow me down. That's fantastic. Dang, Corey. Yep. Lawrence looking pretty good. Yeah. Is Lawrence looking good? At least by early votes, he's up by 10%. Yeah, he's been, like, looking so good in early voting or in polling as well, well, Lawrence. Let's see. So. True from the Lou. I phone bank for Corey for DSA St. Louis. I just feel like people don't really like Wesley Bell, but there were a lot of issues that people felt Corey didn't show up for votes, not her fault. And some issue about her, about giving her husband money. I'm sure APEC spent their money wisely. Jack, can we get a Michigan fist in honor of Abdul? I want the Michigan fist. Let's save that for a more triumphant moment. Shitbreak says the cameras, the resolution all look exactly the same on my same TV and same phones they did before. That's not true. I will tell you. No, you're wrong. I will tell you. Geno sent us feedback. Sam can't notice it. I have the exact same feeling. And I think it's, now here's my question. We have feet. Do you wear glasses? Because I go around the world with like a slight film on everything. Right. So you're not equipped to judge the situation. Well, I guess, you know, that is really insensitive. Ableous.

It's just such a point of contention for you. Because I want it to be right. Matt was right to do what he did, to put the cameras right. Nobody was saying he was wrong. I don't want us to go back. I don't want us to go back to the old way. We're going back to the old way. Please. As he says his 20 years mug. Three years later. Look, chat. I never check the chat, but noticeably better. There we go. Cameras look great. I'm going to keep reading it. There we go. Chat, like the stream. How about that? Not the great. Literally looks exact same. No. No. It doesn't. Love the cameras. It's 100% better. Emma made it better. We're not going back. There we go. There's everybody. Everybody gets it. This whole show has been reduced to just like a camera talk. What kind of bull is this? It's like click and clack around here. Brad, can you explain what that reference is? Because I've never understood it. It's car talk from NPR. Yeah, exactly. Two guys from Massachusetts who fixed cars. Jesus Christ. It's honestly the greatest radio show that's ever happened. You call in. You're like, I got a 2003 Honda Accord. And when I turn on the engine, it starts to we, we, we, we. And they go, are you pressing the gas? When you press the gas, does it sound go louder? So it's an NPR show that is now a Reddit. Right. Well, the thing is, they would always, after the end of the month, they would do a follow-up episode, and they were always wrong. And that's what man is my favorite part of the show. They never gave good advice ever. That's not true. That's not true. It happened a lot. No, dude. They were MIT graduates. They weren't real blue-collar guys. You're twisted. Wow. They were just upper-crust liars. No, you're twisted. It's not true. I won't believe in anything. I love them. No, I won't believe it. You are not in New Yorker. You have no clue. New England classified. Exactly. One of us has never been to Martha's Vineyard, okay? Listen, I've been to Hampton Beach. I've been to Old Orchard. All right? All right. Click and clacking what they were talking about. People are calling. I'm not going to look at the comments. I'm sure I'm getting hammered for saying they were liars. Not going to disparage click and clack. No way. They were great. They knew exactly what they were talking about. I'm good. Oh my God, that's so right. Click and clacks and we're always diagnosing a Honda cord. Car talk, let's go. I had an NPR dad. You guys need to run or beneath of your IMs about the camera quality. Whoa, clicking clack slander. Yeah, everybody's on my side. I'm sure they are. Oh, teacher, dad, shut the young kid up. I repaired at least a dozen cars using their advice.

Art Van der Leigh. Brian has never been more wrong. It's called the Stump and the Chumps and they were right all the time. They were wrong all the time. I know what Stump the Chumps is. Dude, look at this, look at the spitball idea. Insane slander against the Tappet brothers. Please punish that man. As a guy who is focusing so much of my effort on ending human suffering on the planet Earth. God, it's so self-aggrandizing. It's unbelievable. Eric's Trump plug as a new hampsitter. Hampton Beach is disgusting. All right. Okay. Abdul still up. You got that out of your system, yeah. I have a, I'm holding, I'm biting. Hold on, hold on my tongue right now. Mike Rogers is the projected winner of the Republican primary for the Senate. Nobody challenged Mark Warner. Abdul El-Sayed is up by eight points. He's going to win. Dude, we'll see. And, you know. He's going to win. He's going to win. And I am in it to win. So Stevens is up by three points in Wayne County. That's a county that she needs to do quite well. And we've mentioned that the counties that she needs to run up the numbers in are Wayne County, Oakland, and Kent. Right? Kent was the other one? Some final numbers on this from Teddy Schifler. Six outside groups spent $62 million for Stephen, given her a nine to one spending advantage over Abdul. Half of Stevens spend $32 million came from APEC, Super PAC. Apex superfax spent more than any other single group in a pro prime, spent more than any single group has in a federal democratic primary this cycle. And guess what? They don't care about the general if Stevens wins because they don't think Rogers or her. What's also, I think like even, you know, all that money. But when you look at the mainstream media, how they were coming for Abdul El-Sayed, it is nuts. Here's a clip. This is clip number 15. Bari Weiss and the CB Zionist CBS News. The Ellisons. The Ellisons. The Ellisons. This question is so bizarre. I mean, like, look, the crazy thing about this is that. There is a cohort of people who are convinced that people are terrified of the word socialist. They are terrified of the DSA that even like implying that people are communist in some way is like a like a like a some type of like flaming sword that cuts through everything. And it is they're wrong. It's just, it is a gross miscalculation, which I'm glad, happy for them to have. But we saw it with Andrew Cuomo. We're seeing it now. This is like the, this is indicative of just how wrong they are, that they're not just wrong in New York City. They're wrong in Michigan.

And they think they can just drop this in. And look how this CBS news guy, Abdullah Al-Sayyid has been very, very specific. I'm not a member of DSA. He says, I am a capitalist. I think our capitalism has gone awry and whatnot. He may have a bunch of policies that are similar to DSA. But he's not a DSA. And let's be honest, the DSA would be perfectly comfortable as a New Deal Democrat. 90 years ago. And that's why they're supporting him and having volunteers go out for him. Yes. Yeah. But I'm saying like the DSA is not terribly radical. Yeah. I mean, that's the reality. Yeah. There may be some positions of the platform that are, you know, slightly left to FDR. But there's no candidates that they're supporting that that are in elected office. The Republican Party has been calling for bat crap crazy shit for. a hundred years in their platform. Nobody ever talks about it. These are aspirational goals that may or may not be met, but are used as a way of creating space so that there's like the Overton window gets expanded. But the fact is, Abdul El-Sayed, if there were no DSA people running this year, it would never come up, but they want to bring it up because they think it's kryptonite. But they're wrong. And so they end up asking questions like this that are completely insane. You are not a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. They did not endorse you. But we know that there are DSA members out there in this state right now campaigning on your behalf, handing out literature for you. Any concern though that they may be misrepresenting you? And casting you as one of them when you say you're not. You know, I'm sorry. Can you just the... That is the dumbest thing. The handing out literature is coded. They're trying. I mean, it's just so, so coded. But it's, it is so inept. First off, just for a moment, imagine you are interviewing Hillary Clinton in 2016. There are Republicans who are out there campaigning on your behalf. They're handing out literature. Are you worried that they're misrepresenting you? Like, she would laugh. Everybody would laugh in the face. You would never, ever, ever, ever ask that question. But they wouldn't want her to disavow the Republican Party. What they want is for any success that happens electorally to have a very comfortable distance from the Democratic socialist. Yes, I mean, and so like. If these DSA people are misrepresenting Abdul El-Sayed and saying, like, we need to have, I don't know, no private enterprise, sounds like maybe there's a mandate for that.

Also, interesting that you bring up Hillary Clinton, that would mean that Abdul has a both private and public position on certain issues, one that he's privately communicating to the literature handing out DSA members and one that he's publicly communicated. But they are so desperate to attach because they think the DSA is kryptonite. They think it's like Zionist. Yes. But it's not. Speaking of Hillary Clinton, she was endorsed by the Communist Party USA in 2016. Oh my God. Is that true? That's actually true, yeah. Do you think they were out there misrepresenting her? Try to claim her or they thought this better for us. All right, keep playing this. That's an indictment on them. I also love how they both have smoothies. That's ridiculous. Hey, I think that might be macha. It's macha and coffee. It's macha. There are DSA members out there in this state right now campaigning on your behalf, handing out literature for you. Is it big time, my friend? Any concern that they may be misrepresenting you and casting you as one of them when you say you're not? You know, it's funny, right? Democrats are so concerned about what other people say about us. And I think we just need to be more concerned about what we say about the lives of Michiganers. I won't get money out of politics, put money in your pocket, pass Medicare for all. If you want to be part of that movement, whether you voted for Donald Trump three times or you are DSA, come join us. You are not a member of the Democrats. And when he says Democrats are always worried, he's that this is what Zohran Mamdani is doing very effectively too, is saying we're the true Democrats and you guys are. One. 100% are the fake ones what he's saying there is democrats often listen to concerns like the stupid one you just voiced but i'm here to say they shouldn't yeah i i the the only way I could appreciate him more as if the V-neck T-shirts weren't. I knew you're going to go. I know. That TV is bothering me, too. That's my one critique. Yeah, not huge on those either. Look, I'm all for, like, a uniform. I have these tank tops in, like, five different colors, and I just cycle them through. But I change the color. Oh, it's, believe me, I feel like I'm on very thin ice giving any type of satorial direction. But I feel... confident that like he's found a look that let's go with a crew there's a there's a type of guy who's going to wear a v-neck and there's going to be like the captain of the football team lacrosse team yeah I still would have voted for him though if I lived here yeah that's so brave no I probably would do like the Hillary Shulton style media tour it's like we're really concerned about the direction of this V-neck Brian would prefer to be some Maoist caller. Exactly. Right. You know, folks, it was only, it was, it was only a short, what was it, four years ago, five years ago now, when Eric Adams stormed the palace. Which palace?

Somewhere in Turkey. A Turkish lobby. Turkey. Or Albania. Yeah, exactly. Eric Adams became a mayor of this city. I think in part because the vote was split to a certain extent. And he basically parroted right-wing talking points that crime was out of control. as if we hadn't just come from a literally once in a lifetime pandemic, global pandemic, where everyone went bat shit crazy. Everyone went bat shit crazy. And you had, in many respects like it. This was, if you were able to tell history and historians are going to have a field day with this. Like guys like Rick Pearlstein and if Ryan Grimm writes another book, they're going to have a field day with this because you can, you have the ability to reverse engineer and see like where the centrist ostensibly left of center, punditocracy. went astray where they bought like a narrative that was a function of a once in a lifetime finite era that we went through that most people understood like we don't know where this is going but we know this era right now is unique And you can't make generalizations about it. We had that guy, that little wormy guy, what was that dude's name, the social justice warrior or actual? Actual justice warrior. The Floyd Effect guy. The guy he was on Tim Poole with you. Oh, right, right. And, you know, saying like, And I think we had him on to debate him about the trajectory of crime. I think he's quit the business or whatever. I don't know if he's still right. Is he still out there? Because he's got to be incredibly embarrassed now because it was like we had a pandemic. Crime was up, but it's going down. We can see the trajectory. And then I don't know when we talked to him two years ago, was it? Crime has gone down like historic levels. Well, that's because the George Floyd effect has worn off. Oh, the George Floyd effect, yeah, of course. And so Eric Adams becomes praised and predicted. I think Nate Silver said this guy's going to be president in 2028. And the Iglesias type, the abundance types really sort of, you know, it turns out this guy. was not just in the pocket of corporate America.

He was in a lot of people's pockets. In fact, a lot of people were in his pockets putting all sorts of currencies in his pocket. They were sometimes putting it in, what was it, a lays bags, potato chip bags. That was when his advisor was caught taking money from. Lays bags in first class flights. Before we had Holman in the Kava bag, we had the Eric Adams advisor. And this is. Honestly, like, it's hilarious. You got to wonder, is there a spy? I just watched the agency, which is a great show, incidentally. And when I see this clip of Eric Adams, I think there's a mole somewhere in the AI Data Center institution. And they came up with the brilliant idea of... A week out from a DSA candidate, perhaps becoming governor of Wisconsin, or I should say the Democratic nominee, let's send somebody out there promoting the one issue that polls like... Worse than like, do you want that explosive diarrhea bacteria? Like that's like the lead balloon. They're going to drop in your waterway when this is like literally going out there and going like, hey man, I'm here to tell you, don't wash your lettuce. Here is Eric Adams pitching data centers in Wisconsin. Listen, I mean is Eric Adams. There's no idea where he is. I grew up in. I grew up in the name. I grew up in my name. I'm not high profile. I'm not high profile. The mayor of New York. Wait a second. Why have you been sent to Wisconsin to pitch this if you're not high profile? How did everybody know to boo you? Just based on your name. He framed himself as like a small towner from Queens. He's from a small place in Queens. Yeah, just like just like you in Wisconsin. It could be like the third largest city in the country if it was actually its own city. But I mean. Dude, they booed you when they heard your name. You're not high profile? Okay. Good. And please, young man, dyslexic. Oh, man. Profile. I'm a 22 year. Police veteran. A war will progress for 22 years protecting children and families. And so this is what we want to do. We're going to have an opportunity. We're going to have an opportunity to do. Pause it for a second. I feel like I need to interject here and tell you that this was a,

This was just a community meeting in Grand Rapids, Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin. This was not a DSA meeting. This was not a, you know. Zohran Mamdani volunteers from Wisconsin meeting. It was just a random group of Wisconsin people who just like Eric Adams, what the fuck are you doing here? Yeah, we like came because presumably all those people, maybe some people were there because they love data centers and want to welcome them to the community. I assume if anyone's going to a meeting like this, it's because they hate data centers. But also, just like, Somebody paid Eric Adams to go to this. Do you understand? Connecting flight to Wisconsin Falls, Wisconsin? People should understand, again, Shadow, we are witnessing a level of incompetence and blinkeredness about what's going on on the ground by people who's literally one job is to push back on it. And they send Eric Adams in, like, this is like Haley Stevens having Ritchie Torres come in on campaign night and go like, here's my final argument. Yeah. Ritchie Torres is here. Didn't the Kamala Harris campaign literally send Ritchie Torres to Michigan? Yes. Yeah. Let's just play this out. But this is, people should understand. And I would also. I would also offer this warning. They're not going to be this bad at this forever. Forever. Yeah. They're going to, they're going to adapt and adjust and get sharper. So don't get overconfident, but relish this moment, at least.

We're going to have an opportunity to hear your questions. Yeah. Yeah. How about this? What the fuck are you doing here? Nobody in Wisconsin, I should say, it's probably rude enough to say that. But if they sent Eric Adams version. From Wisconsin to Queens? That would be the question. That's like the Democrats thing of like when like Chuck Schumer's like, we need to find out answers about the Saran War. It's like no, we have our conclusions. We're not here to ask you questions. Right. Because they also don't trust you to ask the questions. That's the other thing. They don't like the questions you're going to ask. They don't like the answers they're going to have to give. Exactly. That's just amazing. Apparently we missed the worst of the Van Jay Jones meltdown, so just if we want some filler on that. It was a different clip. It was a different clip. I can't get over that Gil Scott Heron stuff because the revolution that Gil Scott Heron was promoting was one that he wanted to see happen. I can't. Right. Does he have like a handbook that's like metaphors boomers will understand? Really rich boomers will understand. Yes. Yeah. And he's been quite successful at that. It's the blockbuster Netflix thing is exactly what a rich boomer would want to hear, an investor. That's who's investing in Van Jay Jones is I'm investing in the kind of guy that can communicate these issues. And let's be clear. Like we're watching evolution, right? Like it's just like the, the, we're watching evolution. A guy like that. Extinction event. Yeah. But a guy like that who expresses those things, he just succeeds because it works with the dumbest people that exist. Yeah. The, the idea like. Whenever you watch Van Jay Jones, the one thing you should walk away understanding is that rich people aren't necessarily smart. Yeah. They're rich. And what it takes to make money is not necessarily intelligence. In my experience, more often than not, intelligence inhibits people's ability to make money because... I mean... Yeah, it must be a genius. I mean, honestly, honestly, like... And I come from a long line of genius. There's a lot of brainiacs in the main folkies. It's just, I think, I mean, it is not... It is... Not a one-to-one thing. Plus one for the Meedy Van Jay Jones Meltdown, please. We'll find it. Can we check in a little on Kornacki? I am curious. Messages for you on your phone. I'm also looking for some of the complete counties as well. We do have a couple, and we can also probably get to those. We have some complete counties. We have some complete counties. We're up to 85% in two counties.

as of our latest vote results. Did we get, did the decision just tell us if we really a trustworthy cadence? We do believe there is more. Do they have any producers behind the cameras? I feel bad. The expected vote in Oakland County got raised a few minutes ago. They're one of us. We can't say overall if we're, if that, what you're saying about the election day vote. So there we see, Will Lawrence is up. Yeah, I mean, okay, so full disclosure, we pass notes back and forth. We're sort of comparing notes. We're trying to think out. Oh, we do have a completed county now. Give me the completed county. Loops. We were just there. Oh, we were just up there. Okay. So we, sorry. I lost Luce. Fourth time's the charm. Okay. Faruqi has lost, unfortunately. This is tiny, but again, just sort of, I think this is, this is key, because we're spending all night saying it's this type, it's that type, if it goes this. Here's a place where all the types are now in. There's no, there's no conditionals here with this one. I know it's tiny, but I do want to just watch Harry Emden. And we'll show you this elsewhere because I think, look, Luce County, Upper Peninsula right here. And the. Gretchen Whitmer got 70% of the vote here. Again, establishment benchmarks potentially for Stevens here. Biden got 57, and we think we're done in Luce. And Stevens is going to get 40. That's a county with 400 people. Let's keep it moving. 70, 57, 49. Meanwhile, outside is at 43% right here. When he ran for governor in 2018, what did he get in Luce County? He got 12% of the vote, right? So Luce County is tiny. Okay, but like we've been saying, if this is what we're going to be seeing, okay, sort of from this point north, you know, Stevens wins, but not anything like the Gretchen Whitmer margin from 2018, okay? Gretchen Whitmer was running. I've seen enough. Else I eat once. In these places. Winns, ones, whatever. Okay.

All right. You don't want to play the music when you say that? I don't think we should. Charge. Emma is so nervous that I am, even if I say this. It's not going to affect the outcome. You don't know that for sure? No, I 100% know. The polls are closed. It is physically impossible for my words to impact the outcome. They could. There's a 1% chance that it has the magical power of Chavez. No, not 1%. No. I'm rounding up. No, no. Rounding up from zero. that your voice has the magical powers to change things. You know? Oh, my God. Well, well, I mean, I don't know. I just don't think we should call it with 21% in, maybe. Yeah. 22% in. Well, I can't officially call it. Yes.

But only because you don't have that power. Otherwise you would. But election day votes are supposed to favor the more left-wing candidate. You know, that's the kind of thing. She's not winning anywhere with enough of a margin to win. I'm checking. She just went loose county by like 13 votes. What are you talking about? So she's up in Oakland County by two points. She's supposed to be up there, but she's supposed to be up there by 12 points. Exactly. Exactly. It is over. The heat is on them when they do this. It is over. The real question is the Lawrence... Yeah. Should we... Who else got booed yesterday? Oh, this is important, actually. Todd Blanche. I'll tell you why this is going to be important. Because... We have two senators who have agreed to vote for Todd Blanche, right? John Cornyn and who was the second? Thom Tillis. Because he agreed to that written affirmation about the anti-weaponization fund. And that's all they need, right? They can afford to lose Lisa Murkowski. They can afford to lose Susan Collins. Yep.

For whatever reason, there's a little bit of a bulk by Thom Tillis and John Cornyn right now because they ostensibly cared about the IRS deal, and it's quite clear that there was no IRS deal. And that somehow has gotten out in a way. So there's a little bit of like tapping on the brakes. But Todd Blanche, this is why this is going to be important. Because if I am Troy Jackson, I'm going to talk about abortion because that he has the fervor of a convert. And I'm going to talk about the implications of having a Republican Senate. And Todd Blanche apparently. Maybe to get more support for his becoming AG, despite the fact that he was literally Donald Trump's personal defense attorney and has been essentially allowing Trump to escape any accountability over Epstein was reaching out to conservative religious right-wing leaders to tell them that. Abortion is going to be banned in every state if we have anything to do with it. And unfortunately for him, that audio got leaked. Play this. Leaders leaked. A big part of my job is the acting Attorney General and Attorney General Pam Bondi before me was restoring, bringing back regularity to the Department of Justice and the government when it comes to protecting religious liberty. And we're not done. We have a lot of work to do with some of the policies around pro-life and some of the pro-abortion work that the Biden administration and the Justice Department allowed to happen. Some of that is taking longer than we want, but rest assured that we're working hand in hand with HHS and the FDA and the White House and President Trump's team to get permanent solutions so that... so that the Dobbs decision becomes permanent in every single state. So that means that if states are allowing, if states have said we are not, we are going to protect the unborn and we're going to protect every life from the moment of conception, we're putting practices and policies in place. so that other states and other organizations can't attack that and they can't, you know, do things like they're doing with mailing and mail order drugs and things like that. And there's, it's a process that takes a lot of time. And that's why it's been 19 months and we don't have complete victory yet. But we will have victory. And victory will be soon and it will be permanent. And that's an important thing to everybody remember. Okay. So there you have it. And Susan Collins is going to have to deal with that. Yeah. Answer for her vote on Brett Kavanaugh as well. And to your point, I think Troy Jackson can emphasize his, like almost translate the redemptive arc from the primary as he takes over the campaign infrastructure for Graham Platner that like obviously wasn't fully realized in any way and make it more policy focus as opposed to personal.

personality focused and talk about like how he's changed his mind on these issues and what brought him to that point i think people will be refreshed by that also if Thom Tillis votes to confirm this guy north carolina is not so you know north carolina is a it's a red state but it's It's like a crimson red. I don't know my color as well enough to know like what happens when you have a little bit of blue in that red. Yeah. And I suspect the idea of the federal government imposing a ban on abortion. Roy Cooper may be able to make some hay out of that if Thom Tillis votes for it as well. I think that's right. That's right. It's going to be interesting. Let's go back to the Kornacki Cam. Let's see what he says. Bless you.

It's a six and a half point margin here for Abdul El-Sayed over Stevens. We do have, I want to pick up this story. I think we started to tell you a little bit ago. But Eaton County, this is a decent-sized county. It's bedroom communities, you know, sort of suburbs of Lansing here. I think the interesting thing that's been happening is how much closer it's been getting here in Eaton as the night's going on. And it speaks to... Don't mean to be a broken record, but that difference between, you know, the election day vote that got counted fast and put Abdul El-Sayed way ahead, and the vote by mail that's been trickling in, the updates have been trickling in, and that Stevens number has gone from a place or the course of the night here in Eaton, where you're looking at it initially saying, oh, getting clobbered here to, like, is she putting herself in a range of where she'd need to be? to have a real chance at this statewide. You're seeing that in Eaton. You're seeing that, you know, to the east of Lansing and Livingston, where, again, that numbers continue to tick up. I think it's got to tick up more for her, you know, considerably, but there's more vote to come. And it looks like it is that vote by mail, a lot of that vote by mail that's been so friendly to her. And so I think the story that's kind of taking shape here is there's a lot of questions like that on this map. There's a lot of blinks, you know, on this map right now. Okay, like a place like Genesee County. This is a big one. This is where the city of Flint is. This is one of the higher black population counties in Michigan. One of the key ingredients that Stevens is looking for to have a shot tonight is to do extremely well, run up the score with black voters. How does that look? Does that happen? And how does that look in a place like Genesee County? Her formula for victory absolutely depends on it. We got nothing there that we can really show you right now. We don't have much in Saginaw either. where it's a bit of the same story, the counties are, you know, there is a substantial black population there as well. All of these sort of questions that we're seeing here, the way Stevens has done as these votes have evolved have raised the question, if she can do this, if she can do that, if she gets a big, all of that is coming around to, if she can answer yes to all those questions, then what she would need on top of everything else out of Wayne County would be big, big numbers, and I think specifically from Detroit. where the population is overwhelmingly black, and where we really have a very small amount of vote right now. What you're looking at, as a matter of fact, in Wayne, you see 4% in, that's just about, you know, 12,000 votes counted. One thing we just got in Wayne was an update from the city of Dearborn. Dearborn is the first majority Arab American city in the United States. It's a place where Abdul El-Sayed won huge in 2018. He lost the primary statewide for governor in 2018 to Gretchen Whitmer, but he won big in Dearborn. And so we just got votes from Dearborn, a place where we knew he's going to do really well, and those votes are Election Day votes. That's the type of vote he's been doing particularly well with. That's not all of this, but that's part of the mix you're looking at here. It's Al-Syad friendly. What we're waiting on is what happens in Detroit, specifically with the black vote in Detroit. Because Stevens, again, you're trying to stitch together through this patchwork of, you know, partial returns. Blank counties. Very, very little that's close to complete right now as a county. You're seeing the hint of something from Stevens, but there's a lot of conditionals in that. And if they all kind of come to fruition for her outside of Wayne, it would come down.

to Wayne and to Detroit. And again, I say, like, the fact that we're sitting here at 10 o'clock Eastern and we got 4% in Wayne, this is par for the course for Wayne County. Yeah. But I'll, and I, and to that point, what I hear you saying is. We may be in for a fairly long night, Steve, right? I mean, if that's what it's going to come down to. Yeah, I'm saying I'm not sure it's coming down to that yet because she still has a lot of work to do outside of Wayne County. There's been some encouraging numbers here throughout the night. If you're Abdul El-Sayed, I'll put this back to the statewide. There have been a lot of encouraging things in these numbers, you know, for Abdul El-Sayed. So Stevens has got to establish a bunch of things in places that I was just showing you right there, you know, to have it come down to Wayne. Steve, and can you just give us a sense how much of the early vote has been counted yet? Do we have a sense of that? Actually, if you give me a second, Adam, do we cumulatively have how much early... Hey, this is our first appearance by Adam and producer extraordinaire. Hey, bud, there he is. We have about 20% of the vote early in-person vote that's currently unexpected. The early vote. Yeah. But how about the vote by mail? Oh, the vote by mail, 9%. Okay. So there's still, yeah, and that's Stephen's friendly vote, you know? Yes. Well, and when I talked to them today, they were feeling very confident about the early vote for all the reasons, Steve, that you are laying out there. We will come back to you early and often, Halley. What's so fascinating is... Okay, so I get what's going on. What we just saw was them on NBC. We have a minute. Okay. But we're watching these guys. Top of the hour. Behind the scenes. They're going to do another. I'm on this one now. Hi, folks. Top of the hour. We're going to do another update for the news now. Folks, I see one. Okay, that's the poll closed countdown to Washington. I don't even mention Washington. In an hour, the polls are going to close there. The vote by mail, this is a state, it's like Colorado, it's like California. It's largely vote by mail. They get a ton of it counted up ahead of time. They just press send, basically, as the polls close are close to it. So between 11 and 1130, 1145, a ton of vote to come in. in Washington, some congressional primaries there. Yeah, we'll get to them. They're pretty interesting. That's going to happen an hour from now. I'm telling you this now because I'm not sure between now and then how many chances I'll have. So we've got that. They're going to come to me. The clock just disappeared. I'll look at this one. They're going to come to me in a minute. And what I'm going to do is my producer has put another note together. I'm not going to let you see the notes. Maybe at the end of the night. I'll let you see the notes. But he's put another note for me. And while I read the note, I'm going to drink water, except I don't. Is there any more water in here? Jesus Christ. This guy just like, listen, hey, guys, while I watch Kornaki, I'm going to drink a little bit more of mezcal. Say again? He said he's going to trick more of mescal. A little more of mescal. A little more of mescal.

Oh, okay, so we have a few minutes here. All right, let me. Okay. I'm going to tell him. I'm going to tell him about our notes. Is that okay? Eric Crump's plug, bless you, Brian, and thank you for your service. Adam Mann Lefty. I feel like I have to speak up for NC, even though I recently moved away, that it's far more blue than it lets on. It's been gerrymandered to hell in the General Assembly has a stranglehold. DNC Google Pundit. What's all this she has to do X, Y, or Z in that county? It's A-PAC money that's done all the work, not Stevens. Well, that's where there shifts if she ends up pulling this out, which is like, do you feel, like Jonathan Chey was like, does anyone feel like if Abdul El-Sayed loses that they'll be honest about it? It's like, do you really feel confident Haley Stevens going into this race? I feel far more confident about Abdul Salaia. Yeah. If she were to win, wouldn't all that money go into Mike Rogers anyway? Yeah. Well, that was the point. We were talking about that with Nathan Robinson. Oh, right. You have money that weighs in. Sorry. You. We weren't just capturing your attention. You have money that's gone into that race to make sure that you have a pro-Israel candidate. And so it only makes sense that if that's your job, if that's why you raise money and contribute money, if you have a race between two pro-Israel candidates, you don't. Deploy your money there. You deploy it in some other race. Maybe it's in California. Maybe it's in Wisconsin. Maybe it's in New York. Who knows? So the bad news is that Stevens is outperforming expectations in rural areas and wider areas of the state. The better news is that the count, two of the three counties that are kind of bellwethers, Kent and Oakland, show Abdul El-Sayed, you know, keeping pace, if not exceeding, what he needs to do. But this is not going to be, you know, necessarily it seems like anything resembling double digits. So, and I think I'm pretty safe in saying that now, given how Stevens is just like generally outperforming a bit. So I'm a little nervous right now. Rural Washington Supreme finally signed up as a member.

Thank you, folks. You can become a member of join the Majority Report.com. Support the show. Also, you all know that we are live at noon every day, except for today when we're live now. Let's look at Harry Anton. Cornacki, I'm finding annoying. You'll be singing like hello young lovers and a fedora or something. Everything's turning up roses. Don't go. What is it? Don't go kissing under that apple tree with anyone else but me. Whatever, 1940s. Reference, you guys have on lock. I'm not old enough to have been alive during the 40s. Yeah. It's just about knowing history. Let's watch John King. Sven the farting horse. John King X. The color you're thinking of is magenta, Sam. Crimson is bright, deep red. Whereas. Well, this is Dan Abash's ex-husband. He got out right on time. This guy? We can't be decisive just yet. But 51 to 45, again, you'd rather be out front. The main thing is we need more votes here. We need more votes from Wayne County to then see as you move up the state. Pretty competitive. If you look at the more rural counties going back and forth with that. But Wayne County is the wild card, and it usually keeps us waiting, Abby. Yeah, and we will continue to wait until those votes come in. John King, thank you very much. Stay close by. We'll get to the table in just a moment as well. But first, I want to introduce Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. He has endorsed Abdul El-Sayed in the Michigan Senate race and he endorsed Cori Bush in Missouri's first congressional district tonight. Senator, thanks for joining us tonight. My pleasure. He's had a problem with his eyes. He's not a democratic socialist. He's been lumped in with them, though, because he has embraced a lot of their core position. So when we're talking about a state like Michigan, a key battleground state, a purple state, are you confident that he can win in the general election? Yes, I am. Abby, it's important to understand what's going on tonight in Michigan, which is kind of historical. I cannot recall anything like it. Abdul El-Sayed is taking on the entire Michigan Democratic establishment. He is taking on the entire national democratic establishment, and in an unprecedented way. I've not heard about this ever. He is being outspent 10 to 1 by Super PACs, APAC and other special interest organizations funded by billionaires. Outspent 10 to 1. And as of this moment, at least, he is in the lead. So what that tells me is that people in Michigan, and we have seen this abbey all across this country. We've seen it in New York City. We've seen it in Colorado, New Jersey. I think ordinary people understand. that the economy is rigged, the very rich are getting richer, working families are struggling, that we have a corrupt campaign finance system, which we are seeing operating right now in Michigan, where billionaires are trying to buy elections. So the fact that he's doing as well as he is right now tells me that in a general election, he is going to appeal to independence, he's going to appeal to some Republicans, and by the way, a whole lot of young people.

who previously have not been participating in the political process. On the other hand, over in Missouri, Cori Bush, who you also endorsed, did lose her primary tonight. That was a race where APEC played a big role, both the first time and the second time. What do you think happened there? Why did she lose? I don't know. I endorse Corey. I like Corey very, very much, and I'm disappointed that she lost. But I will tell you, Abby, and this is an issue as Americans we have got to deal with. I believe in democracy. I believe that elections are about a clash of ideas. You disagree with me? Fine. Go to the voters. Tell the voters where you think I'm a terrible senator. That's what politics is about. But when you have millions and millions of dollars, often with dishonest 30-second ads, that is undermining democracy. It bothers me very, very much. We've got to get rid of these super PACs. We ought to overturn Citizens United. And by the way, that is something that Abdul has been stressing in his Senate campaign. What about Leader Chuck Schumer? He's been on the other side of you in a number of these primaries, including in Michigan here tonight. If Abdul El-Sayed does win tonight, what do you want Leader Chuck Schumer to take away? Do you think it is time for him to change his strategy around these primaries? I think what we are seeing, no matter what happens tonight in Michigan, and I hope very much that Abdul El-Sayed wins, is you're seeing a transformation of the Democratic Party. And what the debate within the Democratic Party is about, it's not only about ideology. I want to see... billionaires start paying their fair share of taxes. I believe as progressives do that health care is a human right, we need Medicare for all. I believe that we cease all funding to Benjamin Netanyahu's extremist government, etc. But it's not only ideology that we disagree with the Democratic leadership about, it's how you do politics. It is no great secret that what the Democratic leadership does and the Republicans do it even more. is you go to wealthy billionaires. You say, give us campaign contributions. You start super PACs. You hire all these consultants. You put 30-second ads on. You do opposition research. That's your campaign. We do it differently. And in Michigan right now, you know what Abdul was on? He has done 500 public events. He has thousands of volunteers knocking onto us. He's doing what Zohran Mamdani did in New York City, 100,000 volunteers. We are growing the voter universe, bringing people in who have been disenchanted and not participating. That is the difference in ideology. That's the difference in how we do politics. Let me ask you about one of those campaign events because just last night, The popular but very controversial streamer, Hasan Piker, was at one of the final events. The two did.

a stream together, a fairly... Abby, come on. I know that you've spoken to Hasan Piker in the past, but are you comfortable with Abdul El-Sayed having a close association with him? Oh, my God. Past statements. To give you an example, one of the more controversial ones is that Hasan Piker has said America... Deserved that? I've never heard that before. Are you comfortable with... Everyone knows this now. No, I am not. I think that's a dumb statement. On the other hand, he has a whole lot of things that he's saying that are making sense to a lot of people. I think, you know, we have to get above cancel culture. You know, when you're doing radio, whatever they do, whatever they do, whatever they do. You say dumb things. I suspect if you go back over your career, there may be one or two things that you've said that you may have regretted. But I think what we have got to do is look at the totality of where people are coming from and go home. So when someone like James Carville says he doesn't want to be in the same political party as Hasan Piker, which one are you going to take? Well, that's not much of a choice. If Mr. Jerome Powell doesn't want to be in my party, the party that I belong to, that PICA, that Alas Sayed belongs to, he can start his own party. Look, what we are doing now is, you know, you could turn... Did you really ask me that question? Am I allowed to say, are you fucking serious? ...where your leadership is taking huge amounts of money from APAC, which is supporting an extremist Benjamin Netanyahu government. that many of us believe have committed genocide. You want to be in a party with people who do that? You want to be in a party which has not stood up to the AI industry because they got a lot of money from AI or from crypto. So you could pick, you know, you could pick whatever you want to pick. But I think we need a big tent, and I think people like PICA should be welcome into that, certainly. Just a quick final question for you, Senator. If voters do choose to nominate Congresswoman Stevens tonight, would you support her in the general election if it meant winning that seat? I want to do everything I can to put a break on Trump's disastrous policies. We need to have Democrats control the House and the Senate, and I will do my best to elect all Democrats. to the United States Senate. Which has been the case for this wing of the party the whole time. Yeah, ask Hillary Shulton. You had her on earlier in the day. Yeah. It's always been projection. No. That was, I mean, it's almost like they have a responsibility to ask the dumbest questions over and over and over. So, I mean, we're going to need Wayne County. which includes, you know, a lot of Detroit to make a determination. But if Oakland is any indication, which is suburban and it's near next door, you know, Haley Stevens is only up by two points with 73% of the votes in. The neighboring county Wayne, obviously different. It includes Detroit, but only 6% in. And she'd have to do...

you know, pretty significant numbers there. We have 28% of the vote in per the Associated Press, and Abdul's margin has largely remained unchanged. Stevens has cut into it a bit, but, you know, we're not in panic mode yet. I just think that maybe calling it was a little premature. I'm going to call it. No, no, please. Talk to me. It's worth it just to see your reaction. What's wrong with you? The Giants are winning in the Super Bowl, too. You're locked in. Now you've crossed the line, Brian. Now you've crossed the line. Well, I mean, and not that it was happening with Jackson Dart and Malik neighbors off of ACL next year anyway. But that defense has an opportunity to be really otherworldly, but whatever. Do you want to check in on some? You know, the one thing I think we can say with absolute surety is that Jalen Brunson is going to stay healthy for eternity.

Healthy for eternity. That's genuinely. Healthy for eternity. It's genuinely. Yeah. It's definitely not going to have like an ankle issue in 2026, 27 season. It's clear. I hope so many bad things happen to you. And they will now. Because I don't test fate anymore. Speaking of sports, do you want to take a little detour while we wait for some more of these results to come in? Because Riley Gaines has something to say. Oh, yeah. Now, wait, remind me of who Riley Gaines is again. She's a woman who took fourth in a college. Oh, she was the one who was a swimmer who was upset about, okay. Yeah, she tied for fifth with... Because she could have come in, like, tied for fourth. Well, it would have still been fifth, but it would have been non-tied. Oh, okay. So, and she is, still hasn't got a job. But she is talking about sports still, and there's a Sophie Cunningham, a player on the Indiana Fever. He's recently come out against trans people. And I just think like. She played in Minnesota, and the entire team, entire audience booed her, and she scored three points in 23 minutes. Oh, because of all the trans players on the other team. Right, yeah, yeah. And actually her own coach wore a trans girls belong shirt the very next game. So, like, I mean, Sophie's an idiot. Yeah. I've heard from a podcaster before that she's probably going to run for politics, but the podcast you didn't want to say which. party she's going to run for, which meant she's a fucking Republican and she's been saying the shit for a while. So the right wing media, first of all, they're upset that Caitlin Clark isn't taking the bait, the actual star on the Indiana fever, who they want to be like the right wing mascot. But the other part is like the open. disgusting thirsting I've seen because of this girl being like a blonde woman and the fact that she posed with Riley Gaines. I don't know. It just shows how like they will be discarded as like. women that were hornily objectified for a very specific purpose. Matt Wash called Caitlin Clark cowardly for not, for saying, like, this isn't actually something we talk about and not something I'm focused on and the league should deal with it. Oh, there's no way that they don't spend 90% of their time talking about what happens if we have a trans person in this league. Which is what the NBA players do. They're obsessed with the idea that the trans man might be an NBA player. And I'm sure right-wing media is focused on that the entire time. When are people going to talk about the fact that Wembe is probably not human? Here's Riley Gaines complaining.

bringing politics into sports. The league doesn't have a problem with politics in sports. They have a problem with conservative politics and sports. And I will tell you, Sean, every time Sophie was on the court, every time she was subbed in, every time she threw up the ball, she was booed by the entire stadium virtually bar me. Boothed by the entire stadium. Yeah, because y'all suck. Right. She was booed by the entire stadium, virtually. Bar me and Jensei, who is sitting next to me, owner of XXY Athletic. How can people boo at a sporting event in a country that has a First Amendment? It is outrageous. It's unconstitutional. Everyone should have to. get a refund on their tickets and and and have to give up their fan merch or something. This is a scary time. Under the First Amendment. You're right. No, this is a scary time for people like Riley Games and every single person in this country that thought that they need to vote against trans girls playing basketball. Yeah. That actually, you're not popular. You're a bunch of fucking freaks and everyone's caught on to it now. Also, wouldn't the capitalist answer to this Fox News be to... lean harder into whatever the entire stadium feels. Right. Yes, but we have a First Amendment. Oh, right. Brian? She threw up the ball. She was booed by the entire stadium. She really threw up the ball because she scored three points in 23 minutes. Which is far below her eight points a game she normally averages. I mean, she's never been that. Yeah. If he was on the court, every time she was subbed in, every time she threw up the ball, she was booed by the entire stadium virtually. Are you supposed to throw up the ball or are you supposed to like shoot it? Sitting next to me. She's a swimmer. They're trying to do to her what they've done to people like me, what they do to people like you. Who's the they? Totally. Everybody? The entire stadium is trying to do to me. The elderly white men watching this who enjoyed the imagery of balls in mouth. That's the relay game just came up with. I'm going on Medi Hassan's show. I can't remember the name of it. But. And one of the topics is tomorrow. Sorry. I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh. Well, I just can't. I don't remember the name of anything. I often call this show the Minority Report, and people are like it's the majority report. Okay. But one of the things we're talking about is the change in the right wing. Like, I cannot tell you, like, how bathed in the idea of safe space.

and a, you know, a snowflake and can't handle criticism. And like, it was, it was such a, like, a tenant. It was like the reason why the entire conservative movement existed. And then just like one day they decided, oh, we're on the other side of that. Forget it. Sorry. I mean, like, the idea like, You liberals are so angry all the time. You're emotional. Why are you so upset? Like, and in just, Just like 180 degrees. Clay Travis. They believe in nothing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this girl's sports thing is really funny too because they're ostensibly doing this to protect women's sports. Then you have an entire stadium full of people who actually enjoy women's sports, booing you for that. But Clay Travis is literally going on Twitter today in the last couple days saying, I'll pay a million dollars if the Aces, Las Vegas Aces, play a high school championship basketball team. So, like, he clearly hates women's sports. Like, of course. I mean, we saw this with Kaepernick. Like, how are you, like, you're poisoning sports with politics. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. The conservative movement is, it is so much about culture wars, but understand it's literally like the most diminished level of culture. Like, like. Well, because they can't produce or do anything that is culturally relevant. The point is that, like, it is harder to get a reversal on like Taylor Swift. then it would be for them to completely disown the entire rubric of what their culture war is based upon at any given time. Right. I mean, and, you know, over the course of like 20 years, they have reversed themselves and to argue the 180 position like three or four different times. It's Dave Rubin doing pro vaccine content in 2014. I mean, it's just nuts. It's nuts. These crazy lilies. They're completely untethered because all they care about is some type of culture war, which is a veneer. Because underneath it, ultimately what lives there is just a, it's too simplistic to call it racism. But it is an otherism. A resentment. It's a resentment of anybody who's different from themselves. And it plays out in race. It plays out in gender. It plays out in religion. And it plays out in xenophobia. And it's just like.

It literally just rotates through as if it's like some type of, I don't know, Frogert place that has revolving, you know, we have 20 flavors, but we don't have all 20 at the same time. We, you know, when we run out of peanut butter, we try and push the salted caramel. And then, and they just keep rotating it through. It's nuts. Sorry to lean so hard on Frogert. No, it's so okay. Let's go back to Kornacki. All right. Yeah, these guys, I don't even want to. It's going to be a long night with Wayne County, I think. But I'm just hopeful that we get some better. We're not going to go too much later, I should tell folks right now. Because we got to do the show tomorrow. And we can't control the outcome. And you're going to have to watch Cornucke without us. But I'm telling you right now, Dude, no, no, no, no, please, please. Like, I'm actually legit. Please, don't do it. 80, 90, 95% of the vote in. We showed you last time there is some evidence, some limited in northern Michigan in the rural parts that Abdul El-Sayed might be outperforming there, too. So that becomes a factor maybe a bit around the edges, but it certainly could become a big factor. But it's been notable. I think there were some initial big numbers in some of these places that suggested. At the start of the night, this could be a runaway for Abdul El-Sayed. I think it's come back around a bit the other way. The question is how far back around is it going to come? And I think what we just need, we say Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, that's true. But what we really need right now is some substantial counties to get to basically 100%. Because so much of what we're doing right now is well, she's doing good with this vote. No, honestly, I had beef jerky today, and so I think he's going to win the world counties. I think it'll clear up fast before we get to wing. All right. Well, we are on pins and needles. Steve Kornacki. We have more vote out of Detroit. Wait. We got more vote out of Detroit. I'm sorry, yes, we, that pre-processed absentee just came in out of Detroit. It's another 45,000 votes. Okay. This is the vote by mail in Detroit. Yep. Okay. Okay. This is all of Wayne County. This isn't just Detroit that you're looking at. But if you were seeing this before, Abdul El-Sayed had a narrow lead with a very scant number of votes counted in Wayne. We've now added the vote by mail for the city of Detroit. Adam, what were the margins on that? Yeah. Stevens gets 74. Abdul El-Sayed gets 22. Wow. So, okay, now. That's a very, very big number for her, obviously. She's winning the vote by mail by 52. What we now need to see is the second piece of it. This is like a boxing match, right? She just took her best punch. Now Abdul El-Sayed's going to take his best swing.

with the election day vote. Right. How does it look compared to that? But I think one thing that's interesting that we've been looking at is these votes have been coming in. One model we've kind of had in our minds here is that gubernatorial primary in 2018 when Gretchen Whitmer won Abdul El-Sayed. was sort of a distant second, but Gretchen Whitmer only got 52% statewide in that primary, okay, as the loan establishment candidate against two progressive challenges. What's that? So, Syed, and one other. So we've been using the Gretchen Whitmer number in a lot of these counties as sort of maybe a rough benchmark of where Stevens wants to be tonight. And the interesting thing is Gretchen Whitmer really struggled in Wayne County. She lost Detroit. She actually came in second place in Detroit. She got 36% of the vote in Detroit. She got 44% overall in Wayne County. And again, I keep saying how big Wayne is, 20% of the vote, you know, statewide. So this was... core to the chances Stevens has tonight is getting a substantially better number out of Detroit and by extension out of Wayne County than Gretchen Whitmer did in 2018. This is consistent with that. The question now is, as you start to get that election day vote, how much is Abdul El-Sayed able to offset that? So then, can I ask you this, Steve? And I don't want to... I'm reliably told by our source in the room at the Stevens camp that they are literally hanging on your every word as we speak. So just, you know, know the audience here. What is the number that Abdul El-Sayed's camp is going to want to see for that and that Stevens' camp is going to say? In other words, what is the ballpark that we can do the Stevens campaign not have that number? I doubt it. Of course they have the ear of the anger. I'm sorry, but did we just get a little bit more? I just changed. What did we just get? Yeah, we got another 3,000 votes. Oh, dropped. These are better for Al-Saiad. Dropped for Stevens. Okay, so again, Wayne is not just Detroit, so that might be what just happened there. We said Detroit, in that 2018 primary, it was 38% went for Shri Thanedar. Okay, one of the two progressive, he's a congressman now, 36%. went for Gretchen Whitmer, okay? And here's the tough part. We can put it down. Here's a tough part with this. We have, we haven't had this type of Senate race primary in Michigan in a decade, at least. And so it's very difficult. There's no apples to apples measure here. It's very difficult. They're extrapolating with the Gretchen Whitmer race, but the problem is that the Gretchen Whitmer race had other opponents that had different strengths. It doesn't break down along the Abdul El-Sayed Stevens sort of lines. Syed is up right now by essentially three points. That is not where we want to be.

I think that's exactly where we should be. Everything's going to work out well. Like I said, I had beef jerky today. I think that's a good sign. Okay. I don't know why that means anything. He's making a point about superstition. Sam, what you just said did make any sense? Can you try to make sense here and knock on some wood? It doesn't make it. Yeah, I got a rabbit's foot for you. Yeah, right. Hop around three times and count clockwise on your left foot. We should be all right. See, that's where we want to be. Someone who's talking sense. Let's hear what Mallory McMorrow has to say. Oh, yeah. Mallory. What's up, girl? Welcome back to the spotlight. She voted for herself, right? I would imagine, yeah. She declines to say who she voted for. Given the level of Islamophobia she engaged in in the 11th hour of this race, I'm not shocked that she did not vote for Abdul. I'll say either. At least that's what she seems to indicate. Telling us who you voted for today? I voted for great Democrats all up and down the ballot, and I made a commitment that whoever wins the Senate race tonight, I will be endorsing. As soon as that race is called, I will be headed to their election night party to show. We all come together after what happens tonight. Good. She's going to a party. So that we can be a team as we head to November. Well, the reason I ask is because if you voted for, say, Haley Stevens and she is not the nominee tonight, and then you do go and endorse Abdul El-Sayed. You know, it might resonate more with her voters or others in terms of your point about Democrats in Michigan Uniting. Yeah, I made it explicitly clear. I trust the voters to decide. You know, I ran hoping that I would bring a lot to the table as an option for Michiganers. Unfortunately, there was no path. I brought nothing to the table. But look, polling, public polling showed that my supporters split just about... Emma Vigland undermined my campaign. And that's why I'm here right now. Trust the voters. And I will be there giving everything I got to make sure that we win. Pause it for a second. You know, here's the thing. Like, this is indicative also of like just the general failure of these candidates to understand like what era we're in. When you are on the ballot and you were asked, who did you vote for? And you don't want to say that you voted for Said or you don't want to say that you voted for Stevens. Here's what you say. I voted for me. I voted for me. Of course I did. Who out there would be on the ballot and wouldn't vote for themselves? I wanted at least one vote. That's what you say. Right. So you come across as a human being. Like, no, I didn't vote for myself. I put all this effort in, and I didn't vote for myself. Are you serious? Just say you voted for yourself to get out of the whole question instead of looking like a douchebag. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, it's right there for you. I'm sorry, Caitlin. You know what? People are going to think this is selfish, and I, and look, it's just, I'm probably not going to run for Senate again. This is the one time.

I voted for myself. Because I think both these candidates, whichever one is picked by the Michigan voters, I'm going to support. And so I figured one person should vote for Mallory and Mallory McMorrow. That would be, that would be her most authentic answer of the entire cycle, and that's not what you're going to get from her. It's just like, it's like a disease. What she did in the final hour, like, as I said, the 11th hour of this election, where she attacked Abdul El-Sayed and brought in Hasan Piker and seemed to kind of try to tie them both. to the attack on the synagogue, this attempted attack, terrorist attack, it was so racist that, and when it was clear that she had no path, that was about preserving a certain donor network. And I think that answered everything about her candidacy and where candidates like this actually end up falling in this fight against fascism right now. Gross. Is there more to it or no? That's it. We're still, we're at 34% of votes in. Abdul El-Sayed is a, you know, three-point, has a three-point lead. Again, though, Wayne County still lagged behind, but at least we're at a more respectable 22% of the votes in, so we have a sense of what the damage is, and that was going to be... always a beneficial. The early vote for Detroit was always going to be for Stevens. Exactly. And that's where we got from like 4% to 22%. There was just the dump. But. As I have the Times page opened right now, Abdul just added to his lead. He's now back to 50. So she needs to be able to make up the margins of the rapid pace. Ramona Frankenstein, as a mid-white millennial woman, I want to personally thank Emma for shanking Mallory McMorrow in that interview. Thank you, sis. Well, I would say it was Matt Bernstein, like 90% of it, and he brought me in to, you know, do some other. uh work in that in that interview and that even wasn't even our full intention there but um i it was after she canceled on mat the lore of this is just now that we're it's all out in the open year um matt always was going to bring me on matt bernstein was always going to bring me on with Mallory McMorrow before she canceled and when her team emailed and asked for topics, and all he said was foreign policy and health care. Those were basically him and I just saying, like, that's basically what we want to cover in this interview. And that's when he responded with those two extremely general topics that she dropped out of the interview altogether. He called her out publicly. They emailed back like, hey!

we want to do it and then we just ended up asking what we were initially going to ask but that is i think maybe what colored that interview being a little bit more contentious was her attempt to skirt really really basic questions uh from the outset of the interview but wanting his platform and you know i don't know making some assumptions about him because he's uh a beautiful gay man that loves makeup and stuff like that, that probably were, you know, in my view, a little bit stereotypical and didn't actually reckon with some of his politics in any real way. So that was her issue to bear. Well, she didn't bear it terribly well. No. We have Axelrod responding to Van Jay Jones, and Van Jay Jones attempted to retort. I don't know if this is what we were talking about, but here's another. Maybe it is, yeah. The fact that our ally, Israel, is fighting against these terrorists in the Middle East. Let me just say a word about that, because we've talked about this before. And I speak as you know, as the son of a Jewish refugee. So issues of anti-Semitism are very personal to me. I think that what you see in Michigan is a interest group spending. $30 million. She's got $64 million in television spending, and they're responsible for at least half of that. And one of the issues, as Kristen mentioned, that people are grappling with is the power of money in our politics, the influence that interest groups have. And I think it's a legitimate question. Should a... should essentially an agent of any foreign government, whether it's Israel or any other, be able to spend, or is it healthy for them to spend $30 million in a race like this to influence the outcome of that race? I think that's a legitimate issue. Quickly, then. Well, I mean, I get your point. I don't think I'm going to. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I've got to. I've got a lot of... There's people who are sending me checks. Can we... Quiet down. What did you say? He's wearing the stop anti-Semitism pin. Listen, Axelrod, you're clearly anti-Semitic, except for all the Jewish stuff he said before. That's a legitimate issue. Quickly, Van. Look, I mean, I get to your point. I don't think that they're an agent before. power. I think they're American Jews, as you said. Their mission is to support the policies of the Israeli government. You know, pause it for a second. This occurred to me recently that I think we have a problem with saying the word APAC. I know some people can't pronounce it. But I think it's actually more helpful. Instead of saying A-PAC, saying the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Because the word Jew is not in there. It's not Ag-Age. It's not Jew-Pack. It is the American-Israel Public Affairs. And understand, American there is an adjective.

It is a pack dedicated to helping Israel, as opposed to the France-Israel Public Affairs Committee or the Belgium-Israel Affairs Committee. This happens to be the American version of the Israel Public Affairs Committee. This is an advocacy for a foreign country, period, and stop. Whether or not the majority of the supporters of it or the vast majority of Jewish is irrelevant. Kofi is a much bigger organization. If, say, a, you know, Saudi, by the way, this is a bad example, maybe, because Saudi lobbying does actually do a lot, but it doesn't get the same, they don't spend the exact same amount, and it doesn't get the same amount of attention. Can you imagine if there was like some Saudi domestic pack that was donated to by a bunch of Saudi expats? And you had people on cable saying, these are Muslim Americans donating to this organization. You would never hear that. You would never hear that. This is, this is, this is an Israel pack. It's just the American division of the Israel pack. But go ahead. Israel lobby. They're American Jews, as you said. Their mission is to support the policies of the Israeli government. Well, I think their issues is to protect Israel, but you have to have to. No, no, no. But Van, read what they're, I'm happy to be corrected by you, but I'll still like to make my own point, which is that. The air, oh God, getting a little touchy there, being lectured by somebody who's actually Jewish, I guess, which I just learned about Axelrod, and somebody who represents the Israel lobby. I mean, he, he's protecting his, his sinecure. But, but, like, but what is this? Like. But this is... Violently obvious. It's just... It's grotesque. But what's the point of news analysis when all it is is for these consultants and whoever's on there... A bunch of hacks? To advertise their own, like... viability for some multi-million dollar contract. 100%. I saw Dave Weigold and it wasn't, he was just being descriptive, but about the rise of sort of creators and streamers on the campaign trail in addition to reporters. And I'll say like the television news in particular, print news is better, but television news. has dug their own grave in that respect. Like, they have complete charlatans on these programs. I mean, Jennings is just a liar. And James Carville, again, a Palantir, a guy who helped Palantir under cover of Night surveil New Orleans, never brought up. Kind of relevant. And that's just what TV news is. It's been the case since I was a child that...

You should not watch that stuff. But Axelrod, at the very least, like, achieved something with the Obama campaign and understood that that campaign had great success on small dollar contributions. Like, in many ways, the small dollar contribution, like... apparatus and understanding within the American public was born out of the Obama campaign. Bernie, with the $27, mainstreamed it and was actually not taking corporate interest or anything like that. It was actually the Dean campaign that sort of pioneered the low-budget donations. Okay, well, then there you go. And in fact, all the people who worked on that campaign, on the Dean campaign, both ended up working, not all, but for Obama and then many of those people for Bernie. Yeah, yeah, that's true. So my point is just that like even if Axelrod, and Obama got this too with meeting with Zohran Mamdani. Like at the very least, they have a recognition that they have to respond to what's popular. Care about politics and not paycheck. Right. I mean, the positive guys are similar in that way in my view as well. Like, so. They actually care about winning, except, you know, versus ideological capture. It is, it is just fascinating to watch how naked the Van Jay Jones is. Yeah. It's just, it's gross. I'm happy to see that Hartzell Gray is within striking distance. It is 900 vote difference. There is 85% of the votes in. I'm trying to do the math here. You've got 19, 20, 38, 47,000. I've got 97% of the votes in here on CNN. Oh, really? Yeah, and it's Jim Jordan Herrera at 30.2% and Hartzl at 28.8. Oh, it's 95%. Yeah, that just bumped up. Oh, yeah, I think it's unlikely. If 95% of the votes are in, at 64,000 votes, that's weird, though, because there's 49,000 votes for the first three people, Herrera, Gray, and Cass. And it says 64,000 reported. I don't, I don't, oh, maybe there's just a ton of candidates. That's what it is. What, do you think it's a small number? No, no. I, I didn't see that there's four other candidates who have another, uh, 15, 16,000 votes. So if 64,000 votes are 95% then there's, um, 5,000 votes, let's see, 10% would be 7. I mean, there's only like 3,000 votes extant. And the idea that... He'd have to do 2 to 1. That would be very, very, you know, and when you've got eight candidates, I think it's unlikely he's going to win.

It was very close. Honestly, Hartzell didn't have, like, any really major endorsements, I believe. He has a DSA. Yeah, but this is another example. That's another example. I mean, look, Cori Bush fell short, but... Yeah, Nina Turner, Ro Khanna. Right, but no, but no Bernie, no Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, you know, that's how I count some of the more major endorsements nationally. I mean, that's astonishingly close. I mean, you know, a small... He's a radio guy, so we probably had a lot of name recognition. He's got to run again. He's run before, and he's got to run again. In two years, he's going to run, and he's going to win. And I should say that also, you know, Hassan came in and supported him pretty aggressively as well. So just, you know, there's a lot made of, like, Bernie now currently has an over 50% hit rate on his endorsements. But I wonder what Hassan's... endorsement rate is it's probably pretty strong um uh was there a will lawrence i think has has he been called let's see i think he's going to win he has been called I don't see it on NBC. No, but Lawrence is. He's called on CNN here. There you go. Oh, William Lawrence is? Yay, good news. We'll take that one. Charge. Love to see that. He's got an 8,000 vote lead right now. All right, that's good. It seems early to call it, though. They have 50% of the votes. He's so far ahead. I'm looking on NBC right now.

Less encouraging to see Donovan McKinney fall behind. Yeah. Well. We shall see. Michigan's a slow, I forgot how slow Michigan. He surprised the McKinney loss, given that. Didn't the Black Caucus endorse him? Yeah, I mean, they'd be conservative on that. It's very early, I think, in the context of the McKinney race, there's, there's, oh, it's Detroit, right? Between the two of them is 35,000 votes have been counted, and there's an estimated 95,000 remaining, and there's a. 2,500 vote difference at this point, so it's very difficult to assess. It's very difficult to assess. It's very difficult to assess. Emma, if you need some assurances, said Todd from Raleigh, please know. that his and her jerseys I got will keep the Rangers a curse for a long time. Go Keynes. So I should burn the ones that are there hanging up that you got for me. They were a curse. Teacher Dan, okay, come on. Talk about the pizza. What's on it? Where does it come from? It looks like crispy thin, New York crust. I'm high, drunk, and hungry. It is New York. It is... Good pizza. It has kind of a sweeter tomato sauce, which, you know, I appreciate. This is the one we get for every election night. Yeah. And it's pretty good. They're good. Yeah, it's good. It's very good. I think it's good. It's real good. I was going to make a joke about you not mixing it up, though. Shocker, that it's the same place you get the pizza from every single time we do at night. Are you being facetious? Yeah. Isn't it because it's the closest place? No, it's just like, I'm, I'm, you know. I have a, like, a habit thing. What's amazing is that there's a place really, you have a habit thing. Yeah. Like, are you, like, set in your ways? I mean, it's not OCD. No. It's just that if I have a pizza place that delivers it, why would I switch? The only thing I switch on is snacks for Saul. It's the only thing you switch on. Yeah. I never get the same snacks. Like if I, like one week it'll be blue corn chips. Next week it'll be cassaba chips. And half the stuff I bring home, he's like, this is disgusting. And I was like, well, I wanted to try it. So that's what it is. When I was on that shoot, I went to a safe way.

And I bought, um... chicken protein chips. Oh yeah. And they were one of the most disgusting things I've ever ever put in my mouth. I love those things. Are you serious? I can crush them. Yeah, yeah. That's really disturbing. I miss California grocery stores that have all that bullshit. That's where I was saying that to somebody recently like that, that is where L.A. does, you know, laugh New York is that. Have an Arawan? Yeah, I mean, they're, they're, well, he says Safeway, but. But I'm not even going with Aeroon. I'm going with just general grocery store elevation. Like Gristides is disgusting. Like a scam. Look at the man who owns it. I know. I'm just trying to say like... He's a fish caught in the East River. Even their like base level chains in L.A. are better than are better chains in New York. Yeah. That's where they have one up on us. Can you pull up a picture of the Gristides owner?

I mean, I checked out an hour and a half ago. What else we got here? I don't know. I think we're... We've got to look at this grotesque picture of John Katz-Amandis. Is that the way we're going to wrap up the show? You don't have to pull it. Look at this guy. He also is a bad man. Right. That makes it okay. And not in a Stephen Smith way. he's a bad man by the way speaking of that bad man did you see him calling out Anthony Fauci all day. Stephen A. Smith? No, the bad man, Rogers. Yeah, I saw you, Rod. Donald Trump just reposed it on true social. He's such an idiot, too. Like, he's, like, railing into ESPN for not covering the Diana Rusini controversy. And it's like, this is not important. Like, the fact that this coach had an affair, I think is just, I don't know. People are being really weird about the Bray Bowl affair. No, I'll shut up when he leads him to a Super Bowl. Well, exactly. Like, I'm, I hate the Patriots and Boston teams, but, like, I find it kind of grotesque that people... are this interested in their private life. It's not that serious. Yeah, I mean, sports fans that aren't interested in news need to fill something. Well, they just want to yell to a woman and slut shame her. That's what the whole thing is. And then Aaron Rogers goes out there like, this is my like crusade to call out ESPN for corruption for not slut shaming Diana Rossini. I'm like, give me a break. And they lied to us about how effective masks were. Right. Shut up.

Kansas defeats the measure to elected state Supreme Court justices. I think in the main that's actually pretty good. Having all that money play in state Supreme Court races is nasty. You know, obviously I don't probably don't like the people who would be appointing those Kansas Supreme Court justice, but at least there's some. I don't know. At least it holds some of the politicians to account. And apparently the Republicans back that measure. Missouri have rejected a measure to limit their ballot box powers. I'm not sure I understand the details of it would have basically. limited the power of citizens to push referendums. That's also good. What else do we have here?

Susan Collins came out against Todd Blanche. Of course she has to. I'll say, can I make a note just for media literacy? This politics and poll tracker, poll tracker 2024, we just watched this. I just had that same reaction. We just watched this. And the way that they summarized Bernie, what Bernie said about Hassan saying he's not comfortable with Abdul El-Sayed's relationship, was he specifically? Okay, with the 9-11 remarks that Hassan himself has backtracked from and said he should have chosen his words differently. So I'm going to go ahead and say, mute this account for the rest, and you should probably too. Do we have that extra Max Miller thing where he came on at TV? Tapper? Yeah. No, but I can get it in a second. We're not going to hang in until the end of this race, I think it doesn't look like. We probably won't get. Let's see where Kornacki is. Let's pull him up. Let's save that Miller thing for tomorrow because we've got to be in here and we've got a 12 o'clock call. Voters, you know, leaving Detroit. Higher income, they tend to be much more Republican, you know, Washington. So again, this is a pretty thorough victory here for John James. There'd been a lot of talk that he was in trouble. Johnson spent a ton of money going after him. It got to be a pretty heated campaign in the end. So we will see. John James twice before has been the Republican nominee for statewide office in Michigan twice before he has lost. He will now try in the race for governor against Jocelyn Benson this November. And by the way, one thing certainly that the James people. are hoping for. The Republicans are hoping for in Lansing. They believe that one of the ways to win back the State House is if the Democrats in the Senate race nominate Abdul El-Sayed. Remember, Mike Rogers will be the Republican candidate in that Senate race. The Republicans trying to win back the governorship believe a Democratic ticket that features Abdul El-Sayed. would have a trickle-down effect or would have an effect across the ballot, I should say, that would give them, it would enhance their chances of winning the government. It would keep people away from the Democratic column. It would sort of have an effect on the entire Democratic ticket. That's the theory. We'll see what ends up, if it ends up happening. But that's one thing that James folks are certainly thinking about as they, like the rest of us, watch the remaining vote coming in here in Michigan. Now at 40 percent, and I'm seeing it's 3.1 is the margin. 17,000 to vote difference. I don't want to interrupt you on Oakland, but did anything come in meaningful here in the last? Yeah, I think we're complete in Mackinac. You want to take a look at there. It's the resort, you know, ever going to, no cars allowed on Mackinow Island, the Grand Hotel. So it's sort of like, look, this is, you know, we won't spend too much time. Mackinnell Island, and then you're into the UP, into sort of a more, you know, rural blue-collar area. So Stevens is going to win this 49-45. I think this was actually a place where Gretchen Whitmer struggled in, didn't do that well in 2018, but I may be wrong on that. Gretchen Whitmer actually is a...

a part-time resident of McInaw County. The governor has a summer residence on McInaw Island, so she can be, see, they fly the flag when she's there. She got 57% of the vote here. Biden in 2020, come on, I saw this a minute ago. Biden got 55, right? We keep using the Clinton one, but it's not necessarily operative here. 57, 55. Yeah, I mean, look, it's not huge by itself, but we keep seeing. smaller counties, places, you know, like this, where Stevens is, you know, she's not hitting those previous establishment wing marks. I think we got another municipality in Oakland County. Yeah. We got another 10,000 votes. Stevens wins it 5738. So, okay. Stevens won. We got any municipality. Which municipality? I'm still trying to work on that. Okay. You think it was a completed one, or I don't want to end up to work here. I'm trying to put it on a spot. I just want to understand that. Yeah, no. I mean, I generally think that's kind of how they are reporting in Oakland, and that's why I say that. And we're seeing a mix of mail and election day in this most recent update. All right. To be fair to both these guys, they're... They're doing what we're doing. Yeah, well. And then they get their shit together and then they go on NBC. Yeah. But honestly, these guys got to pick it up because it's... We expect them to be doing the work here. Exactly. So we can drink. And then we drink and echo what they're saying. We make fun of them. But when they're all over the place, it makes it much harder for us to do our job. There's no barnacles on barnacles. Everybody has a role in this. It's making us look bad, Steve. Ecosystem. Right. And I get it. There's just two of them. And because, you know, NBC's not spending the money on a Tuesday night. They're not going to do that. Let's go back in and watch this. Okay. But the one it looks like this 11 o'clock, by the way. Would be Royal Oak. Okay. And in Royal Oak, I have Stevens getting 37% of the vote. Okay. Okay. I'm calling it. No, no.

I'm not calling the election officially. I'm sorry, say, three minutes. I said I'm not calling the election officially. And dear God, if you want to come up me that way, you're going to have to take it up with me. Yes. Wait, where's the? We didn't, we, keeping the one Michigan fist and resists. To end the stream, we'll do it. We're going to end the stream. Folks, we're putting a Michigan fist in this right now. I want the Michigan fist. Yes. I want that Michigan fist! I believe him. No one's downing. This is charity. You got to try it again? You got to wonder, though. You got to wonder. When he's saying that, does he go like, well, I can't believe that came out of me. Can't believe it went in. No, no, he is. It was a Michigan fist that came out of him. What came into me and what came out of me. I want that Michigan fist!

Still unclear who's going to get the Michigan fist tonight. And it's unclear if that's the winner or loser. Exactly. All right. Well, do we want to do our predictions? No. You can do whatever you want. I'm not doing it. I'm hopeful and, you know, I'm rooting for the best outcome tonight. This could not be more important and existential for our democracy, for ending genocide. And so I am a little emotionally invested in this race. Give it a little bit of stick it to them. Yeah. And just to be clear, you're concerned that if you give a prediction, it will change the outcome of the election. Space time. It's like interstellar when he's hitting the books. No, no, no, I'm not gonna. That movie's so dumb. What I do is smart, okay? And I don't know. I'm not sure what I'm concerned about. I just feel like making a prediction right now, it's just not where I want to put my energy. First of all. How much energy would be involved in that? Emotional energy. Those kind of phrases will serve you well in your next trip to L.A. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm picking that up. It's not where I want to put my energy. Yeah. I should check how my horoscope feels about today. Open conversation is the way of humans connecting. What's the alien music behind it? Is this you guys? Sam for some reason. It's me. I was playing the Tharman. But the only thing that came up was... He only does that. Somewhere over the rainbow. That was not the one I was hoping it was. Folks! I was so forlorn. I like the shows that we have more viewers in on the night, like tonight, that are doing actual news shows. Yes. Listen to a Theraman.

Kornacki's numbers are going to skyrocket as soon as we sign off. I wouldn't Kornakki know about the Theraman. Yeah. Honestly, think about it. If they had the producer in Kornaki and then just a dude over there with the Theraman. Wait, is that from the Hall and Drive? That what you were just playing? No, it's just some dude on Theraman. Oh, okay. I just Googled. Flashback. Have you seen anybody on a tournament? Have you ever seen atherman? No. In person? In person. 1103, 1104. I've seen. I'm the one that has to be here at 830. And if it's 831, Sam will bust my balls for the rest of the day. Oh, look who slept in. When Brian came in yesterday, I had Saul sitting at his desk. I was just like, I'm sorry, the new guy's here. Pack your bags. He said, don't worry about showing up on time. I got a new guy. I got a new guy. And Saul works cheap. Barely have to feed that guy. You hear that's all you can ask for more. He better be asleep. Although I'm not convinced he is. Folks, that's it for us today. Just a reminder, you can support this show by becoming a member at join the majority report.com. We'll be on tomorrow at 12 noon with the results of this race. There's a outside chance that we're going to head home and I will jump on YouTube if the race is called in the next hour. But at one point, I get to go to bed. So thanks for joining us. Hey, subscribe. If you're on Twitch, give us your, you know, your subscription if you're a prime member. Give us a good rating on, is it iTunes? What do they call that now? Apple Podcasts? Yeah. Do all that stuff. Be an annoying about us. Like the stream, right? I think we should encourage people to like the stream. I'm told that that increases engagement. Like the stream. I mean, of course, people are going to engage and then we're going to be off. But bye. For later. It might take all the strength I got to get to where I want. But I know somehow I'm going to get there.