Hour 2 - Clay's Stephen A. Debate

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We'll get into some of the takeaways, but had a lot of fun at the Stephen A. Smith debate. We'll get Buck's take on it as well. We got some cuts that I think are actually interesting from a political process that we will play later in this hour. But here, right off the top, we talked an hour one about the clear motivations becoming apparent. I know all of you were aware. Charlie Kirk was not killed by a right winger. He was not killed because he wasn't right wing enough. He wasn't killed as Jamel Hill, formerly of ESPN, said. by part of a white supremacist gang hit. This is what she tweeted Buck. Now, she since deleted it. I mean, if he was in a maximum security prison, maybe that story would make some sense. But that's insane. That's truly lunatic stuff. Absolute lunatic stuff. White supremacist gang hit, according to Jamel Hill. But what are they saying on CNN? I want to play a couple of these cuts because they're telling you things that are. 100% false. And I want to ask Buck's opinion on this. I don't understand how you could have these takes and be on the internet at all. First here is CNN's host, Abby Phillip, arguing with Scott Jennings about people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder, cut 34. Everybody here acknowledges that there have been thousands upon thousands of people. ordinary people who have taken to social media to celebrate this yes or no. I don't know about that. I don't know. I don't know. Hold on a second. I just think we should just, there's, we got to be factual about this, right? Yeah. I don't think you know the scope. I don't know the scope. But I do think that we have to distinguish between random people in the world and. something that is a dominant. Why? Because the person who shot Charlie Cook was a random person in the world. Was he not? Well, here's the thing. That's the danger. You dismissed the random people of the world. They have access to political assassinations in this country. There have been political assassinations in this country before, Scott. Wouldn't you agree? And they're all reprehensible. And in this country, do you believe that in those political assassinations in the 60s, in the 70s, in the 80s, assassination attempts, that there were no Americans who cheered that on? I think the question is, the question is whether or not whether or not it happens. The question is whether or not we need to place that at the very center of our political world right now and categorize half the people in the country according to those random people that we now just happen to see because of the Internet. We do have to put that. in the center of our political world, by the way, because it is. She initially disputed that there were thousands and thousands of people. I actually think Scott Jennings was being very lenient in his numbering. It's millions. Certainly there's tens of thousands. I think there's hundreds of thousands. There may well be millions. So to say, oh, we don't know that there's thousands. Again, they're trying to minimize what is going on. Here is MSNBC. This is Brandy Zedronzi.

And I'm not sure if I got that name right, but she is on MSNBC. You don't know Brandy Zonzie? I'm not familiar with her work. I don't know her whole catalog. But she says to suggest people on the internet are cheering for the murder of Charlie Kirk is actually the total opposite. of what's actually happening. This is what she said. Cut 35. If you look across media generally, you have seen a lot of people trying to grapple with Charlie Kirk's legacy and what that is as a right-wing agitator and as a provocateur and as, you know, a strategist and the most important. GOP figure besides Donald Trump arguably ever and so or right now and so there's a lot of grappling to do but to suggest that the internet is cheering for this is just the opposite total opposite of what's actually happening no actually that's from reading the internet and that's from going on discord and I'm Clay this is one of the reasons why I did it the night the night of the asset meaning like we knew that he was dead that night I just spent I don't know how I felt like an eternity just going through blue sky going through blue sky I downloaded the app I didn't even have it on my phone because I obviously don't want to support that lunacy but I had to see it with my own eyes I'm telling, I mean, I know that I know, but thousands and thousands of people cheering, high-fiving, making horrific jokes, saying horrible things about his widow. I mean, these people are sick maniacs. And some of them, you can say, oh, they're not, you know, anchors on CNN. Some of them have a lot of followers. There are people that have, this is something else we all need to understand. There are people online who have far more influence. in political conversation. There are many of them than any of these anchors on ABC, look at their empty suits. No person under the age of 60 gives a, you know what about what these, they're basically like glorified male models and, you know, female models. I mean, they have absolutely no gravitas with the public anymore. And when you see who is saying this stuff and the kind of... the kind of following they have, it's really, really disconcerting. I mean, it's pretty scary, honestly, that we have to share a country with so many psychos. There are a lot of them out there. One of the things, you know, Ezra Klein is getting all this pushback from, and I'm going to tell you, Ezra Klein has said some horrible things in the past. I just, just, I want to remind people that because I've been in this game a long time. I've got 15 years of institutional memory about conservative media and the libs and how they used to be, right? I think it'll be 16 years this June, Clay. It's just been too long. It's wild. So, Ezra Klein, I remember when the whole Me Too thing was happening, said, you know, the rape laws should be so stringent that even people who are innocent are going to get caught up in it, but that's the price we have to pay. When it came to consent and non-consent, I was like, oh, so someone should have their life ruined and be considered a rapist as part of the collateral damage of the Me Too movement. He said that on TV. I remember that. So whether he apologized for it later, I don't know, but he has said some horrible things. In this case, in this case,

He is saying that, you know, in this op-ed that he wrote, he said, you can just condemn a political assassination without then all this throat clearing and prefacing of the, well, I know, I don't agree with everything. But, you know, he's a white nationalist supremacist and all this stuff. No, you can just say we don't agree with political murder in this country. And that's actually a... core value of being an American. And this is the test the left is failing. This is where Democrats are showing us who they really are in millions of cases. Let me play one more cut, too, to give you a sense. This was CNN last night, our friend Senator Ted Cruz, on with Kaitlan Collins. And Kaitlan Collins says, well, we don't know any motive. in the Charlie Kirk killing, and it got heated from there. Listen to Cut 16. We don't have a motive yet. We don't know yet. We're waiting. Obviously, we've heard what the governors had to say with the FBI director said today. We don't have a motive yet. We know. We don't have a motive yet. We know what's happening with... Really, that's CNN's position. He just happened to fire the gun in celebration. You can't tell the motive. Senator, that's... Not what I said. And I said law enforcement hasn't laid out a direct motive. They laid out a lot of evidence here of these messages. Actually, they have. They've said that he was a left-ling activist who hated Charlie Kirk. Pardon? Senator, with all due respect, you know exactly what I'm saying. I'm not arguing with you politically. I'm saying that law enforcement has not put a specific motive. You know that there's a difference of what they're putting in a legal argument than what you're talking about. What you just said is false. The facts here. What you just said is false. Senator. No. Caitlin. Fact. Hold on a second. Let me answer your statement because what you said is factually called. With all due respect. Law enforcement. With all due respect, you're putting a lot of statements that I did not say. And I want to get back to, you just laid out the facts. First of all, I mean, this is like, this is like watching an NBA player go one on one with like, you know, a JV high school athlete. I'm just just being honest in terms of debate and and. uh intellectual rigor um clay we watched the we aired it for everybody yesterday for everybody they said them explicitly said there was political motive here explicitly said and cnn is still telling their audience. I'm telling Caitlin has been told to say this. Yes. The powers that be over there because the CNN audience, which I am quite familiar with, having been a CNN target for a number of years, CNN is their audience is not willing to hear what is true here because they want to believe that they're the good guys. And in this case, their side are the bad guys. That's the truth. Their ideas. They're, oh, if you don't say the right pronouns, you're erasing somebody, is tied directly to this individual's lunacy, which was the motivation for the assassination of our friend Charlie Kirk. This is, if you're wondering, this was actually during the layout of charges, the seven felony charges brought.

Here is Utah County DA Jeff Gray, in addition to the text messages which Buck read for you an hour one that we discussed. Here he is yesterday saying suspect's mother says he had become more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented. This is cut 14. Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political. and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights-oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views. Okay. So they tried to say, oh, he's too far right wing. Then on Saturday, Fox News breaks the story that his roommate is a man who is deciding to become a woman. And we said back and we said, you know, number of Trump voters who are dating or hooking up with a man pretending to be a woman, I think a fairly small number. Maybe there's some, but there's not that many of them. And in conjunction with writing, all of these slogans on the bullets as a part of the murder. And in addition to even though it sounds suspect in some ways, the text messages, there is zero doubt about what the motive is. Also, might I just add the decision to murder someone at a free speech event? while they are discussing all different sorts of issues is a sign of general animus. You know, they're still saying this about the guy who tried to kill Trump, who we remember know virtually nothing about, right? They're still saying right now, well, we don't really know why he did it. Let me tell you something. Just a general idea. If you prepare an assassination attempt and if you kill someone, my general proposition would be you probably are motivated by not liking the guy. I don't think there's very many assassination attempts that have been motivated by love for the person they're trying to assassinate. He hated Charlie Kirk. He hated what Charlie Kirk stood for. This is not complex. This would be like arguing, you know the guy who shot Lincoln? You know, Booth, Booth was really, it was all about being an abolitionist and, uh, and really love the Republican Party. you'd be mocked endlessly because that's the dumbest thing imaginable right that's what they are doing yes they are doing that game they are playing that script out for people and they're doing it on major news networks by the way i want to be clear about this too this is a game the left always plays clay where they delay it to take the impact out of the public consciousness this is why they say oh we just we don't we we don't know the motive yet we don't know the motive yet

In six months maybe, they'll be willing to say what we've already known from the first moments, why this, but at that point, they figure there won't be the same psychological impact, and particularly on their audience, which wants to believe that they're the good people. They want to believe that the left is where the good, nice people are, even though that is where the psychoterrorist murdering people come from disproportionately. clearly as compared to the right. They just, they can't process that information. Look, the left is the emotionally deranged and destabilized side of politics in America. We know this. If you have, if you have like serious emotional problems, the chance that you are and you care about politics at all or you care about any political beliefs at all, the chance that you're left wing instead of right wing, I would argue it's five or ten to one. I think that's right. I would also point out as we go to break here, and I think this is an interesting way to think about it. Who on the left has public free speech events? You thought about this at all, Buck? We've talked about who the left-wing version of Charlie Kirk would be, and you pointed out there isn't one, and I think that's accurate. But can you even think of a leftist that does public events with open microphones to debate people on issues? No. I can't even remember ever seeing that. Why would that be? Because one, I think they know their arguments are not good. Two, they don't want an actual marketplace. They don't want there to be actual debate. Charlie was a threat. The fact that there is no Charlie Kirk of the left is not just a coincidence. It's not a failure of the marketplace. It is a failure of the left to actually debate and embrace debate. And I would say this is what you saw in one of the few real debates we've ever had in the modern era between two strong advocates. I'm not counting Biden as a strong advocate. When Gavin Newsom and Ron DeSantis debated on Sean Hannity's television show, Gavin Newsom got destroyed because the facts were not on his side and he hadn't actually had to debate with anybody ever. And it's funny, we'll talk about the Stephen A question. But he did have wind-swept hair and that just winning grin that Gavin Newsom. When we were walking over for the Stephen A debate, and we'll play some audio of that for you here in this hour. We met up with Emily Campano from Fox News. She was walking with us, and she was like, well, do you know what kind of questions are going to be asked? And I was like, I'm not a Democrat running for president. You know, I don't get the questions in advance. It was a good line. Good line. I like that one. Look, I want to tell you, two years ago, October 7th, Israel changed forever. That's the day Hamas terrorists murdered more than 1,200 innocent Israelis, took 250 hostages. The pain of that day, the horror that so many of us witnessed, much of it was captured on video will never be forgotten. It was the most brutal attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust.

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So whether you're after longevity or on any other health journey, it's easier at Sprout's Farmer's Market. All right, welcome back in here to Clay Ann Buck. We have every line lit. So let's get some calls here. Kathy in Florida. Welcome. Hello. Hello? Yeah, you're on. Yeah, I just have a question. I don't really understand or I feel like it's foolish that we've released. all the detailed information of these text messages and the detailed information of the evidence that they've found and everything. Why, why if they released all of this? I feel like, one, it's giving the left the fuel to be able to spend their narrative. Doesn't it make it harder for them to spend the narrative if the facts are out there publicly? Well, of the way they're spinning it like this guy you know this this news reporter taking sympathy for this guy's um yeah well look he had to apologize for it right so so look i i understand you want to be on guard against the efforts to shift the narrative from them but i i think having the the primary source material of evidence in the case out there i think Kash Patel on this score is doing the right thing clay yeah i agree i also think this is a part of the indictment This is how you are bringing the charges. There isn't, my understanding, a grand jury in Utah, which would review all this evidence and then bring the charges. They indict based on this summary detail, and they're trying to put out the evidence to make it clear why the charges are justified. Thank you for calling in. We'll take more calls, the back half of this hour, and also get some of your talk packs. Switch your cell phone service to Pure Talk, the wireless provider we rely on. Pure Talk's coverage is on the same towers the network as one of those other companies, but at a more affordable price points, you're saving money for just $25 a month. You can get unlimited talk techs and plenty of data on America's most dependable 5G network. Imagine the money you'll save. The average-sized family of four saves more than $1,000 a year when they switch to Pure Talk from AT&T, Verizon, or T-Mobile. And with Pure Talks, U.S. Customer Service team, you can switch hassle-free in as little as 10 minutes. You can keep your phone and your number. Using your cell phone, dial pound 250, and save the keywords Clay and Buck to make the switch. You'll save an additional 50% off your first month. Again, dial pound 250 and say Clay and Buck to start saving today. Pay for what you need while not paying for things you don't need. Dial pound two five zero say Clay and Buck switch to my wireless company which is pure talk the best customer service the best prices You'll save up to additional 50% off your first month when you switch today. Dial pound 2.50 say Clay and Buck. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show up in New York City right now. And last night we had a lot of events going on. Got to hang out with a bunch of advertisers. Appreciate all the people who support this program. Great dinner. And before the dinner, we had a big debate. And we'll play a couple of cuts for you from that debate.

Me versus Stephen A. Smith from ESPN. I want to hear what Buck thought about it. It's up on YouTube and up on Twitter if you're interested in watching this about 45, 50 minutes. And I did think the tone was important in the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination. I give credit to Stephen A. Smith, who has... condemned unequivocally the idea that violence is the answer in any way and we started off the discussion here is cut one Whether you agree with me, whether you agree with him, whether you think both of us are morons, violence is never the answer. And good, spirited debate going after people for things you agree or disagree with is the foundation, I think, of an American republic in our democracy. I think free speech is the most important right that we have, but it can never extend into violence. And I hope that a lot of the young people out there, particularly that were struck by Charlie Kirk's public forums. I hope that they don't take the lesson that violence is the answer. And certainly, if you're as old as me or Stephen A, you should know better. But if you don't, let that be, I think, a stringent and sterling call for civility when it comes to that. Somebody should give that guy a radio show. So anyway, we started there. And there were a couple of things, Buck, I'm curious what stood out to you. The one thing I would say is I wish there had been. It was more of a conversation than a debate. And I wish there had been even equal time where you have two minutes or five minutes or six minutes or whatever math you want to put out there. But I'll hit a couple of things that I thought were interesting here. I've made this argument for a long time. And I actually think there should have been less politics in the NBA, for instance. And here I was telling Stephen A. There are millions of Trump voting hardcore NBA fans cut three. I think there are millions of Trump voting hardcore NBA fans. I don't know that Adam Silver believes that, but I think if he did, they would not have gotten as political and turned off some of those fans who say, man, I love Donald Trump. And I also love the NBA. And so if you're trying to appeal to everyone, which I think the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, Major League Baseball, they all should be. then I think you should be saying, hey, I don't care about your politics at all. I want you in our stadiums, our arenas, and we want to bring everybody together. All right. And then let's hit a couple of cuts here. I actually, I don't know if Buck agrees with me on this. I think Stephen A. Smith's going to run for president. I don't know why you wouldn't. Here he is directly asked that question, cut nine. I have no desire whatsoever to be a politician. Life is really, really good. And I don't really want to compromise it at all. But I've been asked by various people, including my pastor, including people in this business and others, to keep an open mind because you never know what the state of affairs in this country will be in a couple of years. And as a result, they said to me, could you at least stop saying no? Could you at least say, I'll leave the door open?

Even if you are willing to admit you sincerely 99% doubt that you would ever run for office. And that's one of the most I'm running for president answers I've ever heard of my life. Look, I'm amazing. My life is amazing. I don't want to deal with the nonsense of politics. But everybody needs me, so maybe I'm going to have to step up and run. He makes $40 million a year right now, according to the New York Times report that's out today from ESPN, from satellite radio. He's got a new politics channel on SiriusXM. So. This would challenge your thesis buck that nobody ever loses by running. Because I don't know if you could take a salary to $60 million a year. I don't know where you just tap out. The dollars aren't any higher. But unlike someone who says owns a company, when you work for labor, you and I work for labor, we have to show up and work. We're not just owners of companies that don't require us to be out working. To give up a $40 million a year job. for a $400,000 a year job. Not very many people do it. Well, they would take him back. First of all, he's not going to win. So we're talking about really a max 18-month project. Yeah, he's not going to win. So it would be an 18-month-long process that he would have to, I assume he'd have to step away from ESPN. I don't really know. I think the broader... Part of this is I stand by my thesis, which is that people run for president now as part of a brand enhancement project. It used to be you'd have these people who would run who had no chance. And it was always, but they're an important voice in the conversation. You know, you say, well, I don't know if like polling at 0.3% of the national vote makes you an important voice in the conversation. Maybe it does. But now I think it's become more clear than ever before that people running. I mean, look, like Vivek Ramaswamy ran basically telling everybody vote for Donald Trump, but I'm running because this is a great way to have a lot of people here about Vivek Ramaswamy, and it worked for him. I mean, I at the time, and still uphold this, thought that it was quite a strange move from the perspective of you're not going to be president. Like Donald Trump, if you're saying the guy that is running that everyone's going to vote for is going to be your mentor when you're president. You're accepting that he's going to be the president and you're not. But that was really the pinnacle of or that reach. That was peak. This is brand and attention seeking instead of I actually am going to run, at least on the right, or I'm going to win, rather. And I think that you'll see more and more of that. So, you know, look, Stephen A. By the way, I think Stephen A would get. some i mean i think he would get some support i think he would be one of these candidates again thinking i don't know who the democrats are who are going to run but you know i i would think you'd see him getting uh in the top five maybe the top three the democrats are going to have a it's going to be a whole busload of candidates the next time around i think that's right because again it's even for politicians it's national recognition and if you can get on that debate stage so i don't think he would be a joke candidate at all i don't think he would win but

People said that about Donald Trump, too. So you can't, you can't discount anybody who has charisma, some funding for themselves. You know, that makes it really a lot easier and an insatiable willingness to put themselves out there. can run for president and be taken seriously now, you know? That's where we are. And they grabbed me saying if Stephen A ran, I would run against him and kick his ass, which is very fun. And here was cut 11 from that debate. If Stephen A runs, I'll run and I'll kick his ass. All right, that's what I wanted to hear. Ladies and gentlemen, hold on, hold on. Hold on. All right, really quickly. No, he wouldn't. He'd get his ass kicked. And let me tell you why. Because he's somewhat rigid. In other words, you'd appeal to your base, no doubt, but I'm more of a centrist with the capability to appeal to both sides. So he'd get a segment of the country. I'd get everything around. Well, let me, I actually will give a little political analysis of this year. I don't think he's familiar with your conversion, with your past, with where you've come from politically. So I think that he just thinks talk radio and assumes he would maybe be more right saying that about me, but you, you know, being like, that guy's a right-wing maniac. But you, look, I mean, as you've said, you are somebody who has had a political transformation in the last decade. And so you understand people that are now looking. People who are saying, oh, wait, the Democrat Party is insane. You can, by the way, you're not allowed to run for president. Let's just get this clear, okay? You have a job here. But I'm just saying I disagree with his political analysis of that because I think that he, well. Look, he's a great entertainer, and he was very cordial to you on that stage and very respectful. So I appreciate that. I'm not really familiar. You know, I'm one of the rare Americans, I think, who's not familiar with his work really at all because I don't watch sports commentary. But he acquitted himself incredibly well and was respectful to you. But I think that he thinks you're more right. Like, it's not that you're not right wing, but I think that he doesn't understand the connectivity that you have to people in the center. I think that's true. And I think there's tons of people out there listening right now that are like me. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong on something. And... I look out there and COVID was in many ways radicalizing. And I think there are a lot of people that recognize that. And then the Charlie Kirk assassination. I think there are people out there, probably tens of thousands of you that are listening to us right now that might not have listened before. I've heard from a lot of people that just say, man, the world is more toxic.

than I realized, and that is a moment of toxicity that it's almost impossible not to be thinking about on a deeper level than just what you saw. I would offer that the Charlie Kirk assassination aftermath, the responses that we've seen, it's not that it is radicalizing, it is clarifying. This is making it clear to everybody. What the stakes are. What the stakes are? What the teams are? Who stands for what? This is giving you real clarity. Every single one of you who listens to us knows. You know this. And God forbid this ever actually happens. If a Democrat was assassinated, we would condemn it. And there would not be all this throat clearing about, oh, well, you know, Senator so-and-so, I don't like some of the bills that he voted for. I'm not happy that he was, you know, harmed physically or whatever. But no, we would just say that's absolutely beyond the pale. You know, the person should be prosecuted the fullest extent of the law. Part of the reality here is that... It doesn't happen to left-wing people, and I hope it still doesn't. But we've had to deal with this now on the right numerous times, and the celebration of violence against people who are on the right in this country, this is a pattern. It is far too clear. And like I said, this is the clarifying moment. One more cut, and then we'll take some of your calls or reactions as we roll into the third hour. Here was Stephen A cut four. I think he had some nice things to say about me.

What I like about Clay is this. Clay is the kind of person that will pick up on that unspoken pressure that we don't allude to and he'll bring it up, which gives you the license to say, ah, there we go. That's the question I was waiting for because folks don't really realize what I'm going through. And if more white commentators, pundits, people in positions of power really, really understood. the sensitive pressure that emanates from our communities and how they're trying to compel us to speak more about this issue which forces us to do so, then you'd have a greater understanding as to why folks choose to address those subjects. What I would say, too, in response to that is it's actually some of the white guys in the NBA that are the most outspoken politically. Steve Kerr. Greg Popovich. And I just think it's a bad look for the NBA. All right. One other thing, Buck, a couple of things. We didn't have full back and forth. We got into a discussion, and you and I talked about this afterwards about the Washington Redskins name. And Stephen A. said, well, if Native Americans have decided that name's offensive, I think they should get to make that choice. We've talked about this quite a lot on the program, but I didn't say it during the discussion because it didn't circle back to me. There's not a clarity or a consistency necessarily from the Native American community about the Redskins moniker, about that nickname. In fact, there are lots of Native Americans who saw it as a symbol of honor, much like the Florida State Seminoles is seen as a symbol of honor. And both the Cleveland Indians, the Washington Redskins, they came after the Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs, it doesn't end. And I think it's not definitive that everybody who's Native American has the same opinion. In fact, there are some studies that suggest that Native Americans actually see the Redskins name and the logo as somewhat beneficial or a positive reflection of their overall. It's really straightforward. Do you name teams about things that you respect, think are cool and love, or do you name teams about things that you demean? We all know. You know, the same thing with like Apache helicopters and the Comanche system and all this. The Jeep Cherokee. Is that out of respect for the warrior culture that those people's had? Or is it meant to, you know, defame and demean them? This is very straightforward. Yeah. I think that's what I'll say too. Of course, in the sports context, the same thing. We cheer for sports teams. We're not laughing at the sports teams. You don't want to denigrate your sports team. So I think it is. name of honor but we'll take some of your calls and continue to update you we should mention as well for those of you out there looking at mortgages or concerned about the rates of interest that you are paying expectation that at the top of the next hour we will get an announcement from the fed Again, expectations that interest rates are going to be cut, a quarter point, maybe even a half point. We will update you here in about 15 minutes when that news officially comes down the line. In the meantime, we've been up in New York running around like crazy, all hours, meetings everywhere. Chalk.

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