Disfigure of Speech - September 19, 2025

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Amendment right out of the Constitution. Welcome one and all to the TYT power panel. Very excited for a number of reasons for today's show. Not only is it always nice whenever we can have somebody actually in studio and we do have someone today, but I'm joined by two both intelligent and very funny men, which should make my job today. Quite easy. First, in studio, Elliot Morgan. Elliot has been on the damage report several times. I'm excited to do this show with you. Rebel HQ contributor and comedian. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me, John. I'm very excited as the empire continues to crumble. Exactly. And I think you all saw Trey is here as well, Trey Crowder, both writer and comedian, host of the weekly skews as well. Thank you for being here with what looks like fresh facial hair and haircut. That's right. Yeah, got my ears lowered, as Ma Ma used to say, just earlier today. I had a fresh cut. And then the mustache, I don't know why I keep doing it. Every time I do it, I'm like, why did I do this? And then, but then I just do it again, you know, so I don't know. If I try to fix it up, I'm pushing 40, man, you start doing stuff. I don't want to look like a cop, but then I do, I don't know. It's a good look. Thanks, I appreciate it. I have to say, I didn't know that both of you guys were going to go so casual. I'm feeling like a little bit of a square right now, and I think that I might slip my jacket off during one of the socks. But yeah, but anyway, poor attire choices aside, we do have a great rundown today full of interesting, fascinating, and in some cases, deeply chilling news having to do with both the administration's ongoing crusade against the very concept of trans people. The annihilation of a free press, free commentators, free comedy, all of that's gone and we'll be giving our thoughts. And also Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, apparently, word from her camp that she's gearing up for something, what might it be? We'll give her thoughts on that as well. And as we do, of course, send in your comments and tweets during the social breaks. We'll respond to those. But with all that said, why don't we jump at our first topic. The militant transgender movement, is that a domestic terrorist threat? If you are encouraging people to commit acts of violence against the United States government or against your fellow Americans, absolutely you're involved in a terrorist movement. I don't know enough about that particular organization. That right there, of course, is Jesse Waters talking with JD Vance about the militant transgender movement, which, to I guess his credit, I guess JD Vance says he's not familiar with that organization, probably because it's not an organization and it's just a thing that's been conjured up in the minds of Fox News hosts and hacks in the Trump administration. But it's what you should be focusing on right now. Don't think or talk or legislate around guns or mental health or anything like that. It's all trans, trans, trans,

And although he didn't 100% take the bait there, JD Vance did once again spread the knowing lie that political violence is somehow uniquely a problem of the far left, as you'll see in this. I don't know enough about that particular organization, but what you increasingly see, Jesse, is you see people in the trans community and other members of the far left who are saying they are so threatened by negative rhetoric that they must take arms and attack people. If your movement is telling you to commit acts of violence against people for speaking words that you don't like, number one, you're evil. And number two, you are engaged in a terrorist movement. And that's part of what we have to root out in the White House. And this is very important, Jesse. Talk to a lot of people about this. I've talked to, you know, Stephen Miller probably seven times in the past two days. We are working very hard to ensure that the funding networks for left-wing violence, that the radicalization networks for left-wing violence, that if you encourage or fund your fellow Americans or anybody else to commit acts of violence because you disagree with political speech, you are going to be treated like a terrorist organization and we're going to go after you. Now, in the strictest sense, that's not something that anybody who might be watching this show should be worried about because of course those funding organizations and networks don't actually exist because that's not a thing. Again, they're just making that up. But then also don't feel too comfortable because they're not going after terrorist funding networks. They're going after the left and they're going to state that anyone who says something that they don't like is committing acts of violence. We've been seeing that all this last week. And again, like we cannot stress enough how much JD Vance is lying straight out of his ass the history of political violence, as well as advocacy for political violence in our country. We could run through all of the different incidents. We could talk about Dylan Roof, for instance. It would be a great opportunity for Kash Patel to actually find out who that is. We could talk about all the different attackers, about Melissa Hortman, about the Tree of Life, about El Paso. We could run through all of those, but they don't care. They're not going to convince their mind. They're going for something here. And when it comes to the actual advocacy for violence, I mean, I don't know if like you're new to following. politics or something, but the threat to start a civil war has been a constant on the right and right wing media for literally years. Anytime you even hint at the possibility of some sort of gun regulation, they talk about the need to potentially take up arms. You've got these action groups that like the neo-Nazi fight clubs, which are like even as we speak now marching across America and saying that the white man needs to rise up, you obviously had the advocacy for violence against immigrants, you had people like Laura Loomer, who were sharing the possibility that migrants could be eaten by alligators. Again, when it comes to either the actual violence, the actual incidents of terrorism, or the advocacy for it.

It is not difficult to find a textbook worth of examples of the right wing doing it, but all of that needs to be ignored. It is politically inconvenient to acknowledge because Jesse Waters and JD Vance are trying to advance their ideological goals here. Now obviously I have a lot to say about this. I'll give more thoughts, but let's jump now to Elliot. What do you make of what we showed you? I mean, you know, I've heard of transphobia. This is like the most literal form of transphobia being like we're actually scared that they're going to do. terrorist acts based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever. Also, I am kind of enjoying them twisting themselves into pretzels to kind of come up with an excuse for this. I do admire JD Vance's ability to do this like political answer thing where like if you pay attention to what he's saying, both of those things don't actually match up at all. He just sort of talks about a general thing and then goes absolutely. Yeah, it's definitely the trans people. But what struck out to me the most is he mentioned he talked to Stephen Miller. seven times in the past two days. And I don't think that can be good for anybody's brain. And I feel bad for it, but someone needs to check out of it. Yeah, I don't know. I say all the time that it feels like being, often feel like I'm being gaslit by reality, you know, all the time. And this is another good example of that. The whole conversation around the left being more violent and everything. The whole time is just like, okay, but there's so many cases to prove that isn't true. But also, even aside from that, even what they otherwise think about the left. Do you know what I mean? It's like they both think that like the stereotype of the left is like some, you know, like cowardly. feckless barista type who wants to take everybody's guns away and wouldn't hurt a literal fly because they lack the, you know, the conviction necessary to live in a man's world and all that type of stuff, but also. They're like gay Jason born at the same time. You know what I mean? Just like like Antifa, black ops operatives that are like secretly picking everybody off left and right and all this stuff. And it's like none of it makes any sense. But also as far as like trans people, so speak, talk about being like gaslit by reality. Like the truth is they're way more likely to be victims of violence just because of, you know, what they are. And so then to be told for. That's already been the case. So now for like the government and the president and vice president to tell everybody that agrees with them that, oh, actually they're, you know, they're terrorists who are a threat to all that we hold deer. You got to imagine that's only going to get worse for them. And they have to, you know, just like everything continues to get worse for them as long as these people are in charge for. Literally no reason, you know, they just want to exist. And even that is just too offensive for them to allow. So I don't know, it's out of control. Yeah, we actually have a scoop that we'll turn to in just a sec about another way that it's going to get worse for them soon. But but yeah, I love, I love that point that we are simultaneously to a fete and weak to run a nation, but we're also DEI Jack Reacher. I don't know, it's very strange the way that they think. And also in terms of the actual violence, like,

We live in a country that is so sick that even at this point in the year, we've had over 300 mass shootings in America. And depending on which study you look at, trans people make up something around 1% of the population. They don't, they're not even keeping pace with cis people. Like the idea that. Forget everything about white nationalist violence, white supremacists, neo-Nazis, whatever. They're not even, they're barely interested in Islamic terrorism anymore. They just moved on to everything as trans people. And let's say that this guy ends up to have actually been motivated by something having to do with trans people, which has not been established. That would be what, three ever? We've had thousands of mass shootings in America. They are starkly, disproportionately underrepresented among mass shooters. And it's weird that people don't point that out. Yeah, it's also, I mean, if you look at the data too, you can tell that they're just trying so hard to gin this up and enforce this narrative where I don't know if you've ever met like a non-binary or trans person. These are not violent people, but even if you extend this little fantasy of theirs and you're like, okay, so what does this mean? If anybody ever talked to someone who then went out and did a violent crime, does that mean they now are like on trial or something? It doesn't make any sense.

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Well, why don't I quickly tell you a little bit about some of Ken Clippenstein's recent reporting as an independent journalist and friend of the show. So he says that evidently trans people just in general might soon be labeled as terrorists by the Trump administration. They're apparently planning to designate transgender people as quote violent extremists in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder. Anonymous senior intelligence official told Ken they're cynically targeting trans people because the shooter's lover was trans, which again, that has not been firmly. proven, but let's say that it's true. The administration has convinced itself that the Charlie Kirk murder exposes some dark conspiracy. And what would this actually mean if you were to do this? Senior official explains that there is no process per se for dealing with trans people as a threat group, but feels that trans individuals will be increasingly targeted under the banner of violent extremism, specifically as a new subcategory of the new threat category, nihilistic violent extremists or NVEs. And that would give Trump officials political and media cover. They've preferred in the lead up to this to not directly name transgender people, but preferred euphemisms like gender ideology extremism, more just. like making up terms basically. Rather than talking about people as an identity, they pretend that they are not actually people and they have some sort of ideology, which again, the right wing just made up and is pushing. And it's not just, you know, idiots like Jesse Waters. It's also idiot members of the Trump and the Trump family like Donald Trump Jr. who posted this scientifically accurate poll. What's the greatest domestic terror threat facing America? Antifa, trantifa. Or they're the same thing, which is winning pretty handily. And that's a lot of votes. So I think that Don is is on to something there. Trey, what do you think? Yeah, well, you know, the Antifa in the first place, like that they've, I know they've talked about designating that as a domestic terrorist organization too or whatever. And at first I was like, well, I'm not that worried about that on the kind of it not being like. really that much of an actual thing, you know, it's just kind of like a buggy man. It's certainly not very centrally organized or whatever, but then I realized that they could just start. saying that people like I or you or the three of us are in Antifa because, you know, we're on the side of free school lunches or whatever. And that means Antifa and now we're terrorists. And I was like, oh, yeah, this could get real bad real quick. But trans people, I mean, it's like I said earlier. Just imagine already it was bad enough if you're just walking down the street as a trans person and there's like a particular group of chuds that clocks you from across the way. And, you know, you're like in fear for your life, I'm sure immediately. without the implication in their minds of you being on your way to commit like a terrorist attack or something. So it's going to like.

It's going to get people hurt and or killed, like for sure. And people that are just trying to live their lives. So it's completely irresponsible. But they always got to have something to be terrified of. And there's always got to be an outgroup and another and a boogeyman. Like they don't know. So much of their like rhetoric and philosophy doesn't work in the absence of those things. And they, you know, they landed on trans people a good while ago. And they're going to keep running with it as long as I can. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think everything you said right there is correct, Trey. I also correct, it cracks me up when they like do these polls on Twitter as if they're like doing some kind of science or something and they throw in their like pithy little remarks and then they point to it and they're like, look, 83% said this. And it's like dude, you've spent the past however many years demonizing this group of people, of course, that is what your very right wing audience is going to say. And it just speaks to how I think conspiratorial, conspiratorially minded they are. I almost got it out, correct? Yeah, you get the idea. Yeah, it was a good recovery there. Yeah, okay. Yeah, no, it's absolutely absurd. I agree with the point that it's almost certainly a result, even more violence, perhaps lethal violence against that community, but none of these people care. Don't see them as people, don't see them as humans, certainly don't see them as Americans. In terms of the, like now they're going to individually classify transgender people, which they can't as terrorists in the same way that as you pointed out, they're designating Antifa as a terrorist organization when it's not an organization and it doesn't have a membership. And all of this is intentionally vague so that it can be. whoever they need it to be. Right. And I would personally say it seems a little bit deeply ironic that at the same time, they're implying that you identifying or opposing fascism makes you some sort of enemy this state as they're basically speed running like the 14 classic identifying points of fascism. One of which, by the way, is a hyper focus on perceived sexual issues and perversion in the view of the state. So they've got that pretty covered right here as well. I would just make the general point, although I guess you identify in this way under your own risk, I think every American, every patriot has an obligation to be vigorously opposed to fascism. We've kind of had that as our thing for generations. Didn't we send hundreds of thousands of soldiers over to Europe specifically to do that? When did that come out of vogue? I'm not sure, but they've managed to turn the world topsy-turvy yet again. You wanted to make a point. Yeah, I just want to say how refreshing it is to just talk to a couple of cis dudes and all three of us just be like, hey, maybe leave this folks alone a little bit. It feels nice. So thanks guys. Yeah. Well, with that said, I think that we're going to take our first break. We're going to respond to some of your comments. And we come back, we're going to catch up with all of what's going on with Jimmy Kimmel and the tattered remnants of your First Amendment.

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Obama could have done that. No, that's not an issue, and that's certainly not a legal or unconstitutional. But when you dispatch the head of the FCC to put pressure on private industry to fire a prominent critic of yours or else they'll suffer in terms of their business, that's not anything to do with a microphone, okay? That's not anything to do with the bully pulpit. That's a violation of at least three different Supreme Court decisions, at least one of which I know was unanimous. And so she should be a little bit less focused on his big microphone, a little bit more focused on his tiny shriveled little balls that made it so that he could not take any criticism. He is uniquely sensitive, far beyond the bounds of any normal run-a-day snowflake or anything. That is why our First Amendment is being ripped up. It's not that he lied. I don't see any lie in anything that he said. I think that they're intentionally, again, misinterpreting what Jimmy Kimmel said. But it's nothing to do with that. Donald Trump has been whining and bitching about Jimmy Kimmel for years at this point. And he made clear. after Stephen Colbert was similarly fired after pressure was put by the Trump administration, that Jimmy Kimmel would be next. It has nothing to do with Charlie Kirk. That is a transparent, shallow little fig leaf of an excuse. They were always gonna go for him and he's certainly in my view not gonna be the last. We'll get to more, but Elliot. What do you think? It's beautiful. I'm just thinking about those tiny balls again and I got a little distracted. But yeah, I mean, they're hitting this line over and over again and trying so hard to make this out of nothing. I'm really curious if the actual Trump supporters care at all. I mean, about this Jimmy Kimmel thing specifically. And also in terms of old Jimmy Kimmel thing, like. They weren't even like that edgy of jokes. There wasn't even anything that like over the line or over the top. I would have expected or at least hoped that if he was going to get pulled off the air, there would have been a little something. We could all be like, oh my gosh. And they just kind of generated it out of nothing. And I am also curious like what in leftist ideology would push someone to want to go after a political influencer. That still doesn't make sense to me. So maybe at some point they'll get to that. Man, yeah. Again, the whole feeling gaslit by reality thing. It's also been, it's all, it's been so wild to me for so long, how often I can hear things that these people say and if like completely free of context, I would agree with it. But with context, I'm like, What? Wow, really? Like in that, when she said, you know, we just have, we have people in the media, people in the news that just lie. They just make things up. They lie. The first draft of history is being written right now and it's being written by people who lie. And we can't let that happen. And I'm like, right. Yeah, but, you know, but, but it you, but it you, but it's you. Like I just, I just feel insane every day. But the. And, you know, Charlie Kirk himself was a big, he was a big First Amendment guy and all that. The idea that the death of a person who had rights, like negates the rights of everyone still left living is like, I'm not sure out of any of that.

is supposed to make any sense. And yeah, they've been, like you said, they just, again, talking about them lying, they just say things and make it so in the hearts of their followers. They was like, yeah, where was all this type of outrage when Charlie Kirk was shot, when murdered in cold blood? And like you said, Almost universal outpouring of support and empathy from most of the people on the right, even people on the left. And at worst, people were like walking on eggshells about it if for no other reason, man. They were frothing at the mouth and threatening to kill us all over it, like all over Twitter and social media. And, you know, like people were losing their minds. Everybody was like, look, you guys are upset right now. Let's all just take it down a notch, right? But there's, that doesn't seem like that's in the cards. They're going to ride this as far as they can. But it's, it's, I don't know, it's wild. Yeah. And again, as we all remember it, it's been remarked many times. I'm old enough to remember how they responded when Paul Nancy Pelosi's skull was cracked open. There was no outpouring of support. There was either ignoring or mockery, mockery conspiracy theories from some of the same exact people who are so aggrieved that people were celebrating on social media. And of course, celebrating has come to encapsulate a whole lot of behavior. Actual celebrations, jokes, quotes, all of that. has to be the maximally most offensive things that we can get as many people fired as possible. By the way, flash forward, I don't know, six months, three years, ten years, when Joe Biden, who's an old man finally passes, what do we think they're gonna do? What do we think they're gonna say? I mean, come on, like we know exactly who these people are. By the way, you could play these same games. Because Charlie Kirk was a guy who had rights and now because he tragically died, he doesn't. So nobody has any rights. The right winger who assassinated Melissa Hortman appears to have been primarily motivated by anti-choice sentiment. So, you know, I know that previously if you support abortion rights, you could organize and you could do speeches and you could raise money. And if you oppose it, you could do that. Well, yeah, but Melissa Hortman doesn't have any rights anymore. And so I guess you don't get to organize or speak freely if you're opposed to abortion rights. And we should use the federal government to shut down those organizations. I mean, their dehumanizing way of speaking, their radicalization of people online evidently led to at least one person. And of course, you can go back to all the attacks against abortion doctors. There's been any number of different terror attacks from right wingers on that. So I guess the next president Pete Buttigieg, I suppose, is going to have to go after it. And if you cry about the First Amendment, just remember that Kaylee McEnany laid the groundwork for what President Pete Buttigieg might do. Now, that said, I wanna go to some of the other right-wingers commenting on what's going on with Kimmel starting first with Mike Pence. The First Amendment of the Constitution protects against government, a censorship of individuals.

And we ought ever to be vigilant to ensure the right of every American to express their views without government interference or censorship. The First Amendment, though, does not protect entertainers who say crass or thoughtless things, as Jimmy Kimmel did in the wake of a national tragedy. And private employers have every right. to dismiss employees, whether there are television talk show hosts or otherwise, if they violate the standards of that company. Now, I would have preferred that the chairman of the FCC had not weighed in. Yeah, but he did though. That's why Kimmel was fired. Yeah, they could fire Kimmel for something that he said if they thought that it crossed the line. But reporting from inside of the room what was being debated said that they did not believe that it was. That is not why he was fired. He was not fired because they had a problem with what he said. He was not fired because of ratings. He was not fired because of his high salary. He was fired because Brendan Carr put pressure on corporations with the threat of them either losing their broadcast licenses or having their very lucrative experience. expansion plans, kiboshed by the Trump administration, that's why he was fired. The timeline could not have been any clearer, and he was clearly targeted, Jimmy Kimmel, because of Donald Trump's desire to take out his critics. All of this is so clear, I don't understand why at this point Mike Pence would be pretending to not understand that, considering that he too has been the target of angry mob sent by Donald Trump. It's just disgusting. And look, I understand Twitter is just full of right wingers pretending to think this was just a business decision, which is I'm sure very funny for them. Okay, well, that said, let's say President Gavin Newsom in a few years decides, you know what, I don't like Greg Gutfeld. Now, obviously I can't fire him, but I could threaten to pull the broadcast licenses of Fox News, then they'll fire him. No First Amendment violation. Now that probably won't happen. The left isn't as addictive as the right, but they are laying out a perfect playbook for how you could do that. Or maybe you don't like some right wing comedians or something like that. You know, like that killed Tony guy. It was like mocking Puerto Rico. I don't know, maybe you put pressure on Netflix to not give him another special or something. Again, that wouldn't be the president firing him from that. And we can't see a pattern where you put pressure on a company, even though again, the Supreme Court has been very clear that the government cannot do that. And so they can pretend to be ignorant of this. all they want. We see what's actually happening. Trey, what do you think? I mean, yeah, pretty much what you used to like, the way Mike Pence started, it's like, yes, that is true. And that's the argument. So many right-wing people are making on Twitter right now. They're like, look, hey, what about when Roseanne did or whatever? You guys been saying for years. Private companies can fire people, employees for whatever reason. It's not the First Amendment, right? And they just keep acting like, that is what happened here because that's like the official line. But as you, anybody with eyes and ears who's paying any amount of attention. And Carr himself made it pretty clear.

That's not the case. This was government, like, interference. It came from the FCC. It came from Donald Trump. Even when Stephen Colbert got announced, they weren't going to renew his contract at the time a couple weeks ago, whenever that was the time is the construct. But, you know, when that happened. And Trump, like, tweeted Jimmy Kimmel is next and all this stuff. And now that's like it's, no, this was like governmental retaliation against a guy in the comedy world for, you know, criticizing the regime. And it's just I've been thinking because being a comedian, all these, you mentioned kill Tony and but just all these other like. comics who like drifted further and further right with over the past few years. And if for a lot of them, the impetus for that was the First Amendment was free speech. You're like, you know, the left, the left wants to dictate what we can and can't say. You know, nothing's more important than the First Amendment. And, you know, the left wants to censor us and we can't have that. And that was the beginning of them going further and further to the right. And now you have people in the comedy world. you know, facing governmental retribution for, you know, saying things that the president doesn't like. And it feels like we're just not that far away from like me calling Trump fat and then getting defenestrated, right? Like, and it's just, and it's just so ironic that all these comedy guys helped so much with all this in the name of free speech. And now this is happening. And I'm just wondering like, how they're feeling about that right now. And I'm sure they can find, and a couple of them have come out and said like, no, this ain't cool or whatever. But still, it's just like, yeah, can. Who could have possibly seen this coming? You know, back in the most sensitive, thin-skinned, narcissistic person of all time in the name of free speech. But it's just, I don't know, it drives me nuts. Yeah, Elliot. Yeah, I'm starting to think some of maybe those free speech comedians were like doing it for the money, maybe more so than anything else. But who knows? Also with the whole Mike Pence thing, like these guys are just masters of moving the goalposts. constantly like he starts out by saying something just outlandishly untrue which is the first amendment doesn't protect entertainers and then he just kind of subtly moves it on over to it being a private corporation and then having the right to fire somebody it's like that's not what the question was that's not as a disconnect and yet they can get away with it because after years i guess of political experience you can just sort of spout off this nonsense and your base will eat it up but it is incredibly frustrating i'm glad there's comedians like mart calling these comedians out and I hope more of them step up a little bit. Yeah, and you brought up the example of Roseanne, I'll end on this. Like people are like, oh, oh, what about Roseanne? What about Gina Crono? Yeah, you could have a problem with both of those, but in both of those cases, it was people having an issue with it and the company making decision.

That's different. It was no Biden didn't say that Roseanne needed to be fired. It would have been difficult for him to do that considering that Donald Trump was president when that happened. That you can say that that's cancel culture and it shouldn't happen. But again, it has nothing to do with the government. This was the head of the FCC doing that. Head of the FCC under Biden wasn't going on podcasts to put this sort of pressure because the government wasn't entirely staffed by influencers. We're constantly doing shows every single day. That's not what was happening. It is what is happening right now. Your First Amendment is supposed to protect you from government interference. The government is interfering. That's why we have a problem with this. And all of them are pretending not to get that. So Mike Pence is like he throws on his like a last thing. I guess I would have preferred if he didn't say anything even though he did. Senate Majority Leader John Thune said, well, my preference would always be to let the companies make economic market decisions. But they didn't. That's not what happened. And that's not how the Constitution doesn't often reference your preferences. That's not generally what the law is supposed to be about. Senator Lisa Berkowski said, I do think it was very unusual for the head of the agency to issue what seemed to be very challenging comments. Yes, it was very unusual. That's the strongest language we can come up with. Rand Paul said the First Amendment says nothing about private companies firing people who say despicable things. I'm with Sinclair on this one. The FCC should not be involved, however. Again, they were though. They were involved. That's why this is a story. If it was just people on Twitter complaining about Jimmy Kimmel, that would have been the end of it. And we'd be moving on with our lives. And by the way, if a person like Jimmy Kimmel, a person who is so just regular Democrat non-edgy, if their commentary bothers you so much, you know what you can do, not watch it. And that's not just me coming up with some wild strategy. Do you know how many seconds of Greg Gutfeld I've ever watched? None, because I know I wouldn't enjoy it, so I don't force myself to watch something that's just gonna anger me. Why do you live your life the way you do if you're choosing to watch things that are only gonna cause you to abdicate any attachment you supposedly had to the Constitution you supposedly hold so dear? Any final thoughts? I will move on. I would say just, just in my opinion, just out of pure morbid curiosity reasons, you should try out at least a couple of minutes of gut fell because it truly beggars belief. It's one of the most fascinating things you'll ever see in your life. They have a room full of like-minded people and they're like their demographic, a live audience. And they don't make those people laugh. Like it's just pure silence, nothing the whole time doing bits, doing jokes. No one's laughing. It's. Nuts. It's crazy. It's like, I don't know, avant-garde thought experiment version that somebody would have come up with for a late-night comedy show. But, you know, you can see that once and sort of try to process it and then move on with your life. But yeah, it's something to behold.

Yeah, this is my conspiracy theory is that Donald Trump is just an old person who likes to stay up late and scream at cable television. And so most of the time the television doesn't do what you say when you scream at it. And he somehow has figured out to make the television actually do what he says. And it's honestly impressive for an old senile man. And I'm happy for him. Yeah, he has like an old man version of what way too many people, particularly men, but not just men have. Everybody just does stuff. that makes them unhappy. And it's all tied to the internet and all that. Just stop doing that. Like I don't listen to the thousand right wing brosphere podcast because it may be mad. So I'm not interested. I don't spend a lot of time on Twitter. Why do people in a time that is already so difficult in so many disparate ways choose to make themselves less well? I don't get it. And I was also lying there. When Gutfeld's show first started, I did watch a couple of minutes of it. I didn't understand what was supposed to be funny. But the thing is, it's wildly popular. Like I literally don't even understand what the joke is supposed to be, but they do seem to like it. Yeah, I don't know. Yes, it's like those two things are related, though. It's like, you're not like that. I'm not like that. I don't watch things that I know that I hate either. But like these people, it's like if they, you know, if they can't be frothing with rage, they just don't know how to be. It's like that, like they need it. They need the anger. They need to be upset. They need to have things to be mad about or else, you know, they just have nothing to live for. Yeah, you guys sold me on it. I'm gonna watch it tonight. So thank you. Incredibly excited. Good way to ruin your day. Okay, I think we'll take our second break. When we come back, we'll figure it out. We'll have more stuff for you.

Welcome back everyone. So Barr is the sort of person that would totally turn out a presidential candidate because of their opinion on like Burgers or like 2001 a Space Odyssey or something. Like he doesn't care what your position on healthcare, the environment is. You better like the long tracking shots in 2001. But anyway, let's turn back to the news. In the wake of the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk, a lot of America's self-proclaimed free speech warriors on the right have suddenly become very concerned about hate speech, something that they previously never thought existed. And we have a very prominent one of those, that being Donald Trump. He was speaking with Fox News's Martha McCollum, and suddenly he implied that not only is he concerned about hate speech, but now he thinks maybe even Charlie Kirk would be. Charlie said, you know, that there was no such thing as hate speech. He obviously, you know, no one anticipated what happened to Charlie, but you have always been in favor of free speech. Yeah, so Donald Trump is attempting to not only put words into the mouth of someone who just tragically died, but that would directly contradict what that person has said. And I understand that he's Donald Trump. And so he can say literally anything you wants and Maga isn't going to have a problem with it. But I just want to say, I think that that is grotesque. I think who the hell are you? to say who the slain or say what the slain would say about a particular topic, especially when they weren't ambiguous about it. They were super, look at this tweet, hate speech does not exist legally in America. There is ugly speech, there's gross speech, there's evil speech, and all of it is protected by the First Amendment, keep America free. Whether you agree with that tweet by Charlie Kirk or not, that is clearly what he believed. And now in swoops Donald Trump to be like, not whatever. I want to do this thing, he'd agree with me. Just take my word for it, he'd agree with me. I think that that is grotesque. I look at my view and I understand I'm just speaking for myself. I think it's grosser than anything Jimmy Kimmel said, but it's Donald Trump, so I'm sure he'll get away with it. But in any event, we do have a second clip we want to show you. If we could jump ahead to the fourth video, Donald Trump has been a tear recently to make it very explicit that just getting rid of Jimmy Kimmel isn't enough. The news apparently isn't allowed to criticize them anymore. I'm a very strong person for free speech. At the same time, when you have networks that where I won an election, like in counties, I guess it's 2,600 to 525, that's called landslide times two, when you have that kind of, that level of popularity or voter support, as I did in the last election. And yet 97 and 94%.

different numbers. You see different numbers with different stats. But 97, 94, 95, 96% of the people are against me in the sense of the newscasts are against me. They said 97% bad. So they gave me 97. They'll take a great story and they'll make it bad. See, I think that's really illegal personally. When somebody is given 97% of the stories a bad about a person, that's no longer free speech, that's no longer, that's just cheating. And they cheat. And they become really members of the Democrat National Committee. Yeah, so every single word that he uttered there, and it took so long for him to utter, like if you're gonna say something fascistic, can you get to the authoritarian point? You just drag it out like that. He's not strong, least of all, on the First Amendment. Or probably least of all in terms of his body. Second least of all in the First Amendment, he doesn't believe that the news should be able to criticize him. They can make anything sound bad. Look, I can actually demonstrate it right here. So it was recently revealed through amazing reporting that he dispatched Steve Witkoff. And Steve Witkoff got this guy from the UAE to give $2 billion to his crypto company. And then 10 days after that, they gave the UAE access to all of these incredibly sensitive and powerful chips for doing like AI and stuff. And that seems like the most epic corruption we've ever seen in America. See how I made that sound bad? Oh, sorry, am I cheating? Am I being unfair to Donald Trump? By the way, you know, you notice what he did kind of a version of the thing that right wingers always do online? I won X counties to 500. Why are you talking about counties? Why don't you talk about people? Why don't you talk about how you didn't even hit 50% of the popular vote? I mean, if you had a landslide times two, Joe Biden woofed your ass by like millions of votes more. It's amazing that Fox was able to get through there criticizing a guy who was objectively more popular than you. By the way, only 49% of Republicans as of this morning believe the country is going in the right direction. So at this point, the majority of Republicans don't even support you. Can we report the news now? So anyway, it's super clear that this is not just about late night comedians. He wants an end, not just to jokes, but to reporting. He wants to continue to engage in the most transparent corruption America has ever seen. And he wants news agencies, whether it's TV channels, magazines, newspapers. He wants them to be terrified of action by the federal government so terrified that they won't actually report it in the first place. Elliot, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, I remember growing up and hearing people talk about, you know, the first half of your life, you're kind of just wanting to accomplish things and get stuff done. And then the second half of your life, and especially toward the end, you start having like some kind of self-reflection and looking back and really thinking about everything in a more holistic way. I feel like if Trump is watching these things and like 97% of the reporting is not what he wants, that is a great opportunity to like slow down and be like, you know, maybe. Maybe like I could improve a couple of things. Like the lack of self-awareness on this dude is incredible. And it's like, dude, you're in your golden.

days, hours potentially. He's not looking good in that video either. And it was painful to listen to him say that. It was like we can get the words out. You wanna pull it out, but you know, they come out in the wrong order. Yeah, Trey. Man, that clip, like you said, the whole time, I almost started like yelling at the thing. Like, just say, what are you? Like, it will never not astound me, I don't think. Anytime I see him speak, just thinking about the fact that millions of our fellow Americans can see that same thing and be like, you know. Truly, this guy is a cut above intellectually. Like, this is the type of state, very stable genius that we, that should be running the entire country. Like, that will lay politics and everything else about him aside. Just that by itself. Yeah. Just how bad he is at words. Like, I just don't. I mean, what is, but anyway, as far as this, you know, he's talking about the negative coverage and all that stuff. It's like, you know, it shouldn't be. Newspapers shouldn't report things that are untrue or whatever. But like the thing is you have to Trump and to MAGA or whatever. The way you determine whether or not something is untrue is by first determining whether or not you like it or it makes you feel good or bad. So like bad news is like that's just automatically false. If it seems bad about Trump or about MAGA, that means it's false completely irrespective of whether or not it happened in reality. Like that's utterly irrelevant. It's all about how it makes you feel. And if you don't like the way it makes you feel, then it's made up and it's untrue. And it's like the whole time during his like felony trials and stuff and all that. And they'd be like they just the Democrats that's politically motivated. They're, you know, the Justice Department's weaponized. It's like it's a witch hunt in the whole time. It's like, okay, but just like, but what if. He did all the stuff, you know? Like, did you not like willing to consider that at all? But they, but they don't. So I think if it's good about him, it's true. If it's bad about him, it's bad. Or it's false, I mean. And that's, so, you know, they're all in lockstep on that. And we all continue to live in this two alternate realities, right? But yet the same country with the same government. So. Yeah, you can sort of, you can tell in the word choice that he uses there. Like he said that they're cheating. Not that they're inaccurate. It's like it's mean. And he said at one, in a couple of these interviews, he said it's 97% bad publicity.

Not that it's negative. It's all just about the image and all that. And in terms of his ability to express himself, I don't know if it's just that he's getting older. I know some people suspect that it's like dementia. I'm thinking maybe the fluid that's gathering in his ankles is supposed to be lubricating his neurons or something. Like maybe it's an issue of water distribution, but regardless, I think he's noticeably lost a step. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is apparently now weighing a decision that could change the future for not only herself, but for the Democratic Party, perhaps even for the nation, which is... What should she run for in 2028, if not again, for the House? And there's a lot of reporting from inside of her team that seems to indicate that it's either going to be Senate or president and not continuing on in the House of Representatives. They're apparently positioning her to run for president or Senate in 2028. That, of course, would be when Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer would be up for reelection. So she could primary him. And some of the early polling from date of progress has her up by like 19 points over Chuck Schumer already. Granted, it's years away. That's years more where Chuck Schumer could show the sort of vim and verve and fight that he's been demonstrating all year. And that could certainly win over some people. But in any event, some close allies believe that even if she didn't think she could win, She may want to run for the White House to ensure that the Democratic Party's progressive wing is represented in the primary like Bernie Sanders did in 2016 against Hillary Clinton. A longtime Bernie Sanders aide who spoke to Axios is actually pretty confident about her chances, saying she has a supporter base that in many ways has a larger potential width than Bernie's. She has been in the glare of the spotlight from day one and has the national campaigning experience a lot of other potential candidates are now trying to get. it would be the height of arrogance to assume she couldn't win the 2028 nomination. Now, it will of course, even if she decides to run, it's not going to happen until, I don't know, quarter of the way, half of the way through 2027. So we have some time before that becomes like transparent, but. She's been making allowed the sort of moves that you would make if you wanted to set yourself up for it. She has of course been touring around the country in many cases with Bernie Sanders. She's been spending a ton of money raising her profile on social media, her network of small dollar donors. And all of that is the sort of thing that you'd want to do if you were eventually going to run. So Trey starting with you, do you have any sort of prediction about what you could see her doing? Do you have anything do you want her to do in terms of 2028? Yeah, prediction, I don't know. I'd sooner lasso the moon. Whatever I predict would end up being wrong, probably. But as far as like what I want, obviously, huge fan. I'll support her and whatever. She's a star, rising stars. So it's like, I don't know, I go back and forth. Like, I would like that nothing's a lock, but I would like to say that the Senate feels like it should be a lock. You know, she's still very young and doing that and taking it a little more slowly and building, you know, the profile even further.

could it's obviously the less aggressive move and then also but like if you want to go straight forward and i like i respect the whole the notion of trying to do what bernie did trying to drag the party kicking and screaming to the left even if it doesn't work out for her personally i certainly respect that i'm a little skeptical and cynical still right now in the wake of this last election again i love her i think she's great but that you know Just, I mean, a woman running in general in America still, like I want to see it happen. But like I said, maybe her star needs to build a little bit more first. But whatever she does. If she runs in it, it's a private, like I'll vote for her. I can pretty much tell you that now. But also, I just want to see it be a legitimate primary with no shenanigans, right? And for someone to emerge as like, you know, a candidate with a real chance at the end of it and no tomfoolery by the DNC and any of that stuff. But, you know, it might be a tall order. But yeah, that's where I'm at on the whole thing. Elliot. Yeah, I mean, prediction wise, I agree. I really have no idea. I also adore her. I think she's great. There's things I disagree with, but it would just to feel something, it would be nice if she ran, I think, in the primaries and had like a spark of hope. And then once that gets extinguished, then we can, you know, see whatever happens in the general. But like I think it'll depend too on what the other side ends up doing, whoever they end up running. If it ends up being something like a JD Vance situation, which I don't even know if that would be something that he would hope for. I imagine it is, but like I could see her just in a battle of charisma and absolutely winning. So I hope it does happen, but honestly, whatever she thinks is best, because if it needs to be four years to increase the odds, excellent. Yeah, she still is incredibly young. I mean, this would literally be the first opportunity that she would have to run. Joe Biden, remember, ran. And then it ended up becoming president like 40 years later. So anything I suppose could happen. I would prefer not to wait that long. I don't think, and you can attest to this looking at me, that I'll make it that long. So I'd prefer if she did it sooner rather than later. I'll support, like you guys said, I'll support her if she runs. I'm ready to support. I'm ready to endorse. Honestly, you need a surrogate, you'll throw me on cable news or whatever. But no, I'm a big fan of her. I have the same sort of concerns, I guess, that you do, Trey. I don't, I, there's just. Just so many issues with our country that are so terrible. And I really think that we just need someone to break through to finally end that spell. And I think it would be wonderful if she was the person to do that. I do know that if she were to run. I think that it's likely that the media would try to do to her exactly what they did to Bernie Sanders, which is a combination of icing around, trying to make sure that their audience does not hear her message because they know how popular it would be, spreading wild theories about her, calling her a socialist to communist, all that stuff. That said, they're just they're gonna do that to any progressive. So you gotta know that. And she's not waiting until the last minute to start to introduce herself to America to try to preempt their efforts to define who she is. She's out there doing that.

in massive rallies pretty much every weekend. And so there would be lots of challenges. And by the way, after how bad this year has been and how the next three years after that could be really bad, really dark, it's entirely possible that people just want to do what they did last time around, which is just, let's just go with like something that seems typical, like a Joe Biden, like a Gavin Newsom, just something simple. Not scary. And so I have my fears about that too. But with the time we have remaining, any final thoughts? No, I totally agree. Please just not Gavin Newsom for God's sake. Anything, please, I like, we'll keep them, we'll keep them. That would be it. But the maims, you don't like the memes, the social media work over there? I like them, I do like the meat. I am a sucker for me. You got me too. No, I'm kidding. I don't, yeah. Make him vice president. He could be the bulldog then. Yeah, no, the like the. The, you know, like the the old guard Democrats or whatever standing in the way of progress is just as American as apple pie at this point. So I kind of expected that to happen too, but, but not that's if it didn't for once. Yeah, I just feel like, you know, maybe someday we could have a try like so ever. Once we get like one time we could try. I mean you guys have had all of them all the ways. I mean Obama when he ran he seemed pretty progressive so it seemed like we were getting our try then it didn't work out necessarily a hundred percent. I still look back on those days with a lot of fondness now considering the darkness we're in but I'd just like to get one before the pop tarts finally catch up to me okay just give me one. Anyway with that said Trey as always a pleasure to have you here where can people see more of your work. So it's just Trey Crowder on your preferred social media platform, T-R-A-E Crowder. But importantly, Trey Crowder.com for all my tour dates. Do a lot of tour. And so check it out. If I'm going to be near you, get a ticket. Come see me. Please, it's fun. But yeah, go ahead. Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure. Thank you. And Elliot, great to have you here in studio. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for having me. You can check me out at youtube.com slash rebel HQ as well, or substack.com slash Elliott Morgan or anything with Elliott Morgan on it. Thanks, y'all. There you go. Everyone, stick around after this break because we've got a second hour coming up. Michael Shore will be here. John Fugel sang, Wazni Lombray. I don't think that's a power panel that's ever been together. It should be a lot of fun, especially considering the news out there. So stick around. We'll be back after this.

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