Full Show 6-3-26

Good afternoon, San Luis, DGS 101, FMKMOX. I slept last night. Everyone will be happy about that. But I don't know if I gave it to Andrew or Andrew gave it to me or if I brought it from California, but I can't get rid of this thing. I just got this like, and it's affecting my voice, so we'll be fine. It's going to be fine. I feel like a pilot, and we're about to take off like, we're going to hit a few bumps over Denver. We're going to get you in there. You want to start with something real or something stupid? I got it all. You guys pick. You guys stupid isn't real? I had terrible show prep yesterday. And today I think I have good show prep. Famous last words. I got both. Dealer's choice. Let's start real. Okay. I wanted to talk about what's going on with 60 minutes because we're in the same business. And, you know, my entire life, I've had tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick and, you know, all these people. And, Rach, I saw you had it on the show sheet, which is why I wanted to maybe lead with it and let you sort of set the stage and give your opinions and we can all jump in. Yeah, I don't know. It seems like the general public is really concerned about Stephen Colbert being let go from CBS and getting rid of that show. And I mean, I understand the president has spoken out against him many times. So I think a lot of people feel like the administration got him taken off the air. But ultimately, it's like that's a late night talk show. It was losing money. To me, it makes sense that it was going away. What's going on with CBS News and what's going on with 60 Minutes and, you know, they brought in Bari Weiss to revamp everything they're doing at CBS News. That is more of the story to me that this institution is just completely overhauling everything they're doing. And they have someone in charge who seems like they are coming in and saying like we can't have an agenda, but she seems like she has a very specific agenda. And then you have you have people like Scott Pelly, who was at CBS News for almost four decades. He was just fired. He was just let go for speaking up during a meeting and saying like, you guys are murdering 60 minutes. I've never worked somewhere for 40 years, but I think after 40 years, you've kind of earned the right to speak your mind on that sort of thing without an immediate firing. And that's what it was with him, was just, yeah, you're not on the same page with us. I don't really care that you've spent 40 years of your life here. You've got to go. You're not falling in line. That's a huge story to me. And it's not like an isolated incident. They're killing stories that. What was it? Wheels, do you remember? Was it an immigration story? I can't remember. But yeah, it was like, oh, we're not going to run this because the White House isn't responding to give their side. Okay, well, by that logic, you are going to have to kill any story because if I'm the person you're running the story about, all I have to do is not answer you. And now you don't get to run the story anymore. You're just like setting up this system to where like these journalists really can't succeed.

I am open to other people's opinion on this, but I've never thought of CBS News as like a partisan news organization. It just seemed like they were just trying to tell you what was going on. And this idea that like, we've got to change your tone. We've got to do things totally different. I didn't think they were doing anything wrong. Yeah. So the whole thing is just very odd. I feel bad for Scott Pelly. He's obviously going to be able to find a new job immediately if he so chooses. Yeah, I look at this. Pardon me. I believe, I believe that this is 95% Trump. That he is putting the pressure on. He doesn't like being criticized. He's on a run now. And I'm about to read you something that he posted that will, you know, evidence that. But I don't know that because I'm so exhausted by everything else that's going on. I can't look into every single story and dig and research and figure it out. But to whatever, I'll say this. Things happen in entertainment. Things happen in the news business. Things get stale. Things become obsolete and superfluous. And if that's what's happening with news overall or CBS in particular or the late night shows, then okay, it's entertainment, Darwinism. It happens. It sucks if a show you like goes away. But it's the law of the jungle. To whatever extent, whether it's 95% or 1% Donald Trump doing that, that is anti-American. It is terrible. It's something that none of us should put up with. And I'm just talking about even trying to influence. Presidents going all the way back have had this thing with the press. Obama famously kicked out Fox and everyone said if they go, we go. So it's not just Trump. But let's just, come on. Trump is so far out on steroids on this thing. Here's something he just posted. In the last two weeks, I've taken out many bad political leaders and pundits, including Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, lightweight Congress. Thomas Massie of Kentucky, Brad Raffensperger of Georgia, really dumb Stephen Colbert of CBS, and others. My score for two weeks is 38 and 0 with three more limping late night talk show hosts, including low ratings Bill Maher and his fake laughing machine to go. It's my honor to be working so hard for our country. This is someone who wants you to know it's him. Right? This is not someone working clandestinely. This is someone who wants to brag to the whole world that I am taking these people, institutions, politicians down. It's one of the things I hate about it. So, yeah, Rach, I think it's terrible. I think it's terrible. And a pox on your house, Bari Weiss and Larry Ellison and all you people who are just... So you just said the right name.

Larry Ellison is one of Trump's best friends and a huge donor, and he owns CBS News. And what did he just do here recently, Larry Ellison? What deals were approved for him in the last year? Well, he's one of the main people behind the TikTok takeover on the U.S. side. They just did the big merger that needed to be approved, right? with Paramount and Warner Brothers, or at least that's still pending, but it just looks too much like quid pro quo. Do this for me, I'll do this for you. And even if it's not that, that's what it looks like. And I don't think you should care whether it's some lefty doing it with another lefty or some righty doing it with another righty. That shouldn't matter. What's happening very clearly looks like quid pro quo. We will approve these business deals for you. But here's what we want in return. We want you to start cleaning this up, fire these people, change the tone, blah, blah, blah. I mean, I get it. That's the world, right? The world is all about influence, but that's what's wrong with politics in the United States, is that it's all about influence back and forth and not about, hey, let's do stuff that makes day-to-day life better for every American. Yeah, if... You told me that my charge in this life was to take over the country or to change the country in some significant and negative way. The first thing on my list to do would be ruin the press. That's what I would do. I mean, it's absolutely on the playbook for people that are trying to establish power that won't be challenged. One way or the other, right? I mean, it doesn't mean that it's going to be one guy staying around forever. It's more about the people behind the scenes and the people that are calling the shots. And the people calling the shots are people with money. That's who's calling the shots. You want to know who runs the country and runs the world. It's the billionaires because they have the money to donate to politicians. They have the influence to get in the room and talk to people. And again, it's not all of them. We know that. It's just, you know the names. You know, the crazy thing is that too many people only see the names on the side they don't like. Oh, we don't like George Soros. Oh, we don't like Rupert Murdoch. Well, it's not any different. They're the same to me. Because they're doing the same thing. Using wealth and money and power to influence how politics run. That's not in my interest, and it's not in anybody's interest who's listening to me. Yeah. I wouldn't take Fox News down if I could. No. I don't want to see that. No, it should stay as it is. It should stay as it is. They should be as pro-Trump, pro-Maga as they want to be. And then it's up to me to use my brain and decide whether that's attractive to me or not. Yeah. And I'll consume it or not. And the same with, you know, what is it now? Is it still MSNBC? MS now. Whatever. Same with that. And it's not.

It's not, look, the owner of a business can dictate how he wants his business to be. Be more upfront about it. Yeah. Just be honest. Don't be like, don't try to pretend it's something that it's not. Say, we want a conservative view. Just say it. It's okay. That's what Fox does. That's why it's okay. So related question. I don't know if anyone else saw Mike Pence on CNN this morning. I'm not a big Mike Pence guy. I mean, first of all, his politics are different than mine. His is way more calling his wife mommy and stuff like that. Mother. Is that what it is? Mother. Okay. But I think he's a man of integrity. I think he's a man of character of high morals. I'd be shocked if I were wrong. I think he's one of the last remaining people like that, certainly in Washington. And he was on CNN today. And his big thing, he's written a new book and his big thing is bringing character back to politics. And character matters. Your thoughts? Horse out of the barn? Yeah. Have we given up that ground? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And you're saying Mike Pence is trying to drive that? Yes. But he was the vice. I mean, that doesn't make any sense. He wanted to take the complete opposite direction for as long as it was beneficial to him. And then four years in, it's like, oh, no, they're going to hang me. We should bring. character back to the office like you were fine with abandoning any any semblance of of having character i thought of that way benefit you anymore and i was like we should go back to the old days the horse well out of the barn it's been it's not been six months it's been 11 years yeah you know what i mean it's time like The future of politics is the present of politics and the past of politics is the present of politics for 11 years. The horse has been out of the barn for 11 years. So there's no going back. So do you guys think that if we were all politicians and we were trying to be the next generation, do you think that they look at it and go, no, no, no, no, no, forget about character. No one cares. Or they just say, Well, I'm going to run, even though I have a bad moral character, but no one cares. See what I'm saying? I think the 45th and 47th presidencies are complete evidence that, at this moment in time, at least, in America, people don't care about character. It doesn't matter which character is. As long as you say the things that I like and hate the people I hate, that's what matters. Wow.

No, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that is a huge giant thing in our country's history. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's not new. I mean, Trump became a frontrunner for the Republican Party 11 years ago. He's halfway through his second presidency in 12 years. In October of 2016, the Access Hollywood tape came out. And everybody's like, well, this is it. You can't elect someone who talks about women like that. And we have them on a hot mic talking about women like that. And then what happened? He got elected. I remember the... Then he got elected again. I remember our show and all the callers to our show when the Access Hollywood thing in particular happened. I was answering phones and they were all like... He's finished. He's done. This is the October surprise to end all October surprises. You can't become president if you talk about grabbing them. You know what I mean? Like it just can't happen. And then he won in a landslide. Dave Jim Himes asked a good question. Are we talking about what we need for good governance or just what it takes to win elections? And I guess I'm talking about both. But in my heart... I don't so much care about election strategy. It's more what's good for the country. And I'm 61. I was brought up in an era of positive American propaganda. No question about it. And, you know, hey, young Squire, you can be president yourself and anyone can be president and all this kind of stuff. And, you know, looking up to your idols and professional athletes being, you know, examples. And it's just a big change for people my age to just realize that I see it, but you guys feel it. Because 11 years is like a third of your lives. Like, you've lived with this. Well, it was also, I mean, Bill Clinton was president when I was eight and everything that went on there. Yeah. I didn't really understand what was happening, but I knew my parents were upset, my friends' parents were upset, and he had done something bad that I wasn't supposed to know about. Well, it's been like that my whole life. One of the standards at that time, one of the tests, and this was thrown out there. And by the way, I actually agree with this completely. This was a common line used at the time by Republicans, some version of it. is if your wife can't trust you, how can I? I feel the same way. At that time, if you're willing to lie to your family, the people closest to you, you will lie to me without a blink. Why does that standard no longer hold? Because I think people are willing to give up.

I think it's nice to say that for a lot of folks. It's like, oh, yeah, of course I believe that. So you're either lying then or you're lying now because you want power as opposed to being right. Andrew introduced me to SunKiss Zero. Is that right? Oh, yeah. And I told him and Wheeler and Amy, I'm like, it's not a great reflection on my life, but that's the best thing to happen to me all day. Didn't know that existed. It should be the best thing that happens to you. Maybe all week? Yeah. Pretty good, man. It's special. And then Andrew told a story about drinking a 32-ounce real Coke on his way to work, and that was too fast. And then Wheeler said, the faster you drink a soda, the better. And that made me think we all have our own individual tolerances for watered-down soda. Like, I'm a quick you're out of the lineup. Like once it gets, once that ice starts melting dope, I need a freshie. How about you guys? Yeah, I don't really like to drink a ton of soda in general. Like, I'm a one can and I'm good. You're in the wrong room. Because I'll go to QT sometimes and I'll get like the big Q or what have you. And by the time I get to the bottom third, I'm just like, why am I doing this? I don't want the rest of this. So I have a low tolerance as well. Yeah, I'll take it all the way down to the end, but it's just better. in the first 20 minutes. Yeah, I don't like, in fact, a lot of times I just won't use, I'll just drink a cold. I just won't use ice with it because then that removes the concerns. One way to go, if you don't like the, if you don't like the ice melting and watering it down, put it in a Yeti or something like that. Holy moly. I didn't expect to get all these ideas. Holy moly, it stays cold. Yeah, that ice won't melt in that yet. Not much. I mean, it does, but very slowly over a long period of time. Do you guys remember Azi, the 5,000-year-old man they found? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the Ice Man. The Ice Man. I've always been fascinated by him. Why didn't they name him Atsi? I don't know. I guess it's just like a local name. I was going to say maybe that's the town or something. I don't know. But the latest thing they've done with him is they found that he had these microbes and yeasts growing in his stomach. Well, who among us? And they used them to make a mother thing for sourdough bread and then made bread and then ate the bread. That's kind of gross. Don't love that. I think so, too. He was found on the Austria-Italy border in the Otzel Alps. Hence the nickname. So he's Otsey. Otsey. It's cute. I like that name. Now you can have Otsey bread. Otse-Born. Why did they make it into bread and eat it? I guess to see if they could. That's so odd. Who approved of that? Who, what lead scientist was like, okay, you can go ahead and make the sourdough starter? You know, the same 13 people have been working with Ozzie this whole. That's true. They got a weird thing with him. They're off the reservation. Yeah, for sure.

I'm As DGS on KMOX, 2 p.m. We're going to be talking to our friend, Dr. Tiffany Osborne, about all the various diseases going around. 2.30, we have a historian from the St. Louis History Museum is going to talk about not only the 1904 World's Fair, which I'm obsessed with, but Kevin, he also is doing a new project about baseball in St. Louis. All right. So that should be good. Nice. I want to play a piece of sound for you guys and get your thoughts on it. And I'll tell you what you're going to hear so that you can focus on that. This is a valedictorian at her high school graduation. And... She was warned, I guess they knew her politics, warned by the principal and the superintendent and such, don't make it political. And so she gives her speech. And then at the end she says, I have one more thing to say. And she starts talking about oppressed people. And Palestine and Gaza. And I'm not sure if it's the principal or superintendent. It's a big white lady. Runs up there and physically grabs her. and pulls her off the dais and says to her, you can't hear it, but says to her, you're not graduating. And so you have, hey, they warned her. And then you have free speech. I'm just wondering what you guys think, but go ahead and play it, Rach. As we celebrate. to thank our parents, guardians, teachers, coaches, and loved ones who spent by us through everything. We truly couldn't be here without their unconditional love and support. Class of 2026, this is our moment. Let's move forward with confidence, ambition, and hope for the future. Before I leave the stage, I have one last thing to say. Every single person here has a voice and we are privileged to have the freedom to use it when so many people around the world are struggling and suffering to be struggling and their suffering to be heard. Whether it's the million suffering in Palestine, Sudan, Congo, Afghanistan and so many other countries around the world, these

So right there is where the ladies grabbing her by the shoulder and pulling her off and her classmate to giving her a standing ovation. Thoughts? I'm not a big fan of, like, putting your hands on someone because of something they're saying. Fair? Like, and also, if, I don't know, if you have a problem with that, would you have a problem if... It was a public school and you were told like, hey, you're not allowed to talk about religion. You're not allowed to talk about God. And then the valedictorian started witnessing at the end of their speech. Would the appropriate response be to physically grab them and wrestle the mic out of their hand and tell them they're not graduating anymore? Or would you say like, oh, that's really brave that you spoke out about something you really believe in? This is why you should have gone to law school. It's a great analogy. Wheels has to hit you. Can a public school tell you not to say something like that? I have no idea. Can they say you can't make a political statement? I guess they can. Can they though? Yeah. I'm not sure how this would shake out in the courts. I know you can do something. I'm not sure that you can actually punish for it. I mean, if I were the father, I'd be like, listen, you can let all this go or I'm pressing charges for you putting your hands on my kid. We can play this game. I can play this game too. Do not put your hands on my child. If you need to shut off the microphone, shut off the microphone, don't touch my kid. And I would be a little bit more bothered by it if it was longer than it was. If some teenage kid who feels like they have a message to deliver but doesn't get to do this kind of thing very often is going to go off the rail for 20 seconds. Is that the end of the world? Now, if you're up there just... going on and on and on and on and on i can understand it was was is any like what does this mean you're not graduating i did the work i passed the tests you're giving me the degree i don't understand why this is even a question they told her she wasn't graduating yeah I think it's like when they told me I wasn't graduating from Washington because I tried to book Gilligan to be the keynote speaker, but in a different situation. I mean, we've seen these threats, right? Don't do a weird celebration on stage, and they do. To me, this is the same idea. I don't care if it's politics or not. You went off instruction, okay? Should we be going that far on a graduation day as long as you're not ruining everything for everyone? So where would you put the students who kind of show their ass and dance around and do something crazy? How would you compare and contrast that? Like, we told you not to do it. What's the same? Same principle. To this. Why is it different because it's a political message versus being a clown?

it's under under the first amendment it's the same thing and it's a public school if it's a private school private school can tell you what you can't say what you have to wear all that kind of stuff can you do that when you're a public school I mean they have dress codes at public schools to a degree though like they can be they can say not too revealing or whatever they can't say you must wear this shirt these pants and that's it I think there are some public schools that, like, straight up have uniforms. Hmm. Look, I think it's ridiculous when someone dances and they withhold the diploma. Like, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's annoying. I wish they wouldn't do it. It does, like, hold up the ceremony for everyone else. But whenever schools are like, and now you don't even get. Just get out of here. It's like, it just feels like one last power play. Yeah. Is it really the end of the world that that student did the worm? Like, I don't think so. And my position on this is the same if someone had said something like, we love Trump or whatever. It's fine. To me, that's not worth this much trouble. I understand initially being we want to make sure we're not turning this into something crazy, right? We want to make sure that we're not turning this into an entire show about you or your political things. But again, if you're saying my last thing and it's 20 seconds and that's it, regardless of whether it's... one way or the other on the political spectrum. What are we that worried about? I know it doesn't matter legally, but do you think it should matter at all the fact that her audience, her fellow students were obviously the majority of them were in favor of what she was saying? I don't think that's a big deal. And if it were my kid, I would have told my kid, hey, it probably had a great idea. If you want to have a voice, you can find a place to have your voice heard. You don't need to do it there. That would be my advice. My advice would be stay away from politics while you're there. There are plenty of other ways you can work to your young. You can, a lot of ways you can work to get your voice heard. But in the end, am I going to punish my kid if they did that? No. And what's the appropriate punishment here? Your four years of work and your diploma are now in the hands of some adult. You did the work for four years. You've earned the degree. You've earned the diploma. What else can you do to a person that's now graduated? Andrew thoughts? I mean, it's absurd to withhold her diploma. And their statement is weak. And... So she has since gotten the diploma. Okay. Okay, good. Okay. The story I saw was from eight hours ago, so I think they must have, after the backlash, I think they must have rectified it. Yeah, the responses from the school is very weak, saying that they acted in real time to maintain the integrity of their program. And, you know, we have to remain inclusive to all people. And I guess saying,

don't abduct immigrants from their home is not inclusive to some according to them i mean the way to handle this if you don't want it to have it at all is then you're just not going to let any students speak run a graduation where you recognize the valedictorian and you're not they're not going to get a speech if you're that worried about it i'm not sure that's a good thing i'm just saying if that's your big concern that somebody might go off the rails for 20 or 30 seconds then don't do it It's interesting because in my life before this era, not only did I know about the First Amendment, but I studied it, but I never gave it much thought. I'm sure it obviously has been tested through this and this and this. But we're real, this is a real petri dish, like what we're living in now. Like, we're really testing the parameters of our laws. What did you really mean by this? What do we really mean by that? It's an interesting time to live. I don't know if I'm crazy. Tell me if this is a weird thought. I actually kind of hate that politics are such a big deal to teenagers. I'm struggling to see what was inherently political about what she said. It's because there was a criticism of ICE. And that's what makes it political. I'm not saying I thought it was overtly political. I'm saying that's where they're going to point to. But I really just wish that, I don't know, maybe I just wish they had the experience in the world that I had, I got. There was not going to be anything political at any high school speech in 1994. Not because people didn't have beliefs or didn't know anything, but because it just wasn't that big of a thing. I mean, I'm sure, Kevin, I'm sorry, I have to disagree. I'm sure there were plenty of political things being said. We just didn't have the internet, so you didn't hear about it in your town. I think people have been going, like, are we saying that struggles for like? oppressed groups have just now started and people have just now started speaking out about it. No, I'm saying this is the first generation that teenagers and younger have been this steeped in it for this long. In the 60s, you don't think teenagers made comments at their high school graduations about Vietnam and civil rights. Like no one said a peep. Maybe they did. I think they probably did. Are you referring more, Kevin, to sort of the innocence of childhood? That you wish the kids today? I wish they lived in a world where they didn't have to be facing the issues of the world when they're 16. Yeah, but... Where it's in their face every day and they're literally stressed about it because... And I get why you're stressed about it if you're a person that cares about other people. But I think that there's a reason we don't vote until we're 18. There's a reason why we don't have things thrown at us when we're 15, 16. Because you need time to be able to handle things and process things and understand the world. But I think what you're saying is that.

you didn't deal with those things. I'm saying I wish they didn't have to. I'm not saying they shouldn't have opinions. I'm saying I wish the world wasn't the way that it was is what I'm saying where everything is politics. Literally everything is politics. But I'm saying that if you were like an immigrant family, you've been dealing with the struggles of immigration your entire life, whether you're 16 or 50 or 6 years old. Or if you come from a family where, you know, uh, Police maybe wrongfully killed your parents or your father or something like that. You've been dealing with the issues of like institutional racism and police brutality your entire life, whether you're five or 15 or 50. So it's like, I don't know if it necessarily bears out that back in the day kids didn't have to deal with this stuff. I think it's just that you didn't have to deal with it. And maybe your friends didn't have to deal with it. because you weren't directly impacted by it. It wasn't everything every day. Unless you're, well, unless you're growing up with that problem. I'm talking about to the average group of people. Yes, you're right. There have always been oppressed people. There have always been people victimized. But as it is now, you're faced at a very early age with stories that you're not equipped to see every single day. And I think we spend a lot of time. talking about the technology itself being the problem and not the way the technology is used to divide people intentionally and to constantly have people at each other's throats. So the tech itself is one problem. But the way it's used and the way it puts things in your face from the time you're young and old enough to be on there. every single day that you may or may not. I mean, it's one thing if you have to deal with something because it's in your life or it's your friend or it's a classmate. It's another thing entirely when it's the whole world's problems in your face every day. So I'm not sure where I come down on that because... Not only do I agree, but I say it all the time. It's kind of what I do. Like, oh, man, I wish the world could be like it was in 1974, 1984, 1984, and we just rode Schwinn stingrays and had fun and water balloon fights. And I mean that. But having a 21-year-old who is... vastly more political and politically minded and politically educated than I was, even at probably 30. I'm proud of her that she has that. Sure, if I could wish it when I wish that she were just doing nothing but having fun in college. That's where I don't know. Because she's more enlightened than I was. She's more educated than I was. Certainly it brings stress and drama. But I'm not sure that my way, our way, our generation of sort of polyanishness is necessarily better. Are you...

Is the implication here that her knowing more about like politics and stuff and being more informed about the world, is that keeping her from having fun at college? I think that's Kevin's point, but Kevin's point, he can make it himself. No, I'm not trying to say that that's, it's an absolute. I think being a teenager is hard no matter what, but it's even more hard when you are also being expected at this point to have a position on things. We've talked about how long it takes for your brain to settle you. I mean, when you're young, you don't have the perspective to put everything in the right place to kind of process all of it because you don't have that for normal things. And I think that at this point, they're in a position where you almost have to take a side, where you might not be enough to have enough knowledge to have a really good side. That's a part of the process of informing yourself. I get it, but that is a long-term process. It's not something I think is a great idea to have to come down on when you're 15 or 16.

Quite an hour. Lefts and rights and ups and downs. Mm-hmm. You guys want to hear a list of the top summer picnic foods that are going to be growing and declining this summer? Yeah. I'll sum it up for you. We're getting fans here. Here are the things you're going to see on summer picnic tables this summer. Olives, flatbreads, breadsticks, hummus, chorizo, salami prosciutto, and Spanish tortillas. Things you won't be saying. Cocktail sausages, corned beef, sandwich spread, sliced white bread, plain potato chips, cheddar cheese slices. And they've been to South Roxanne. I say, so the picnic basket from 1974? Did they say why, like, those foods are out? I'm not saying that they're growing in popularity. You know, it's so prep. Who knows where these people get it? Like, where cocktail sausage is still a thing for picnics? Yeah, it doesn't describe a picnic I've been to in the last few decades. I like fried chicken. Yeah, see, that's a picnic food. Me too. Yeah. Old fried chicken. Some grapes. On a picnic, you're right, it's so much better cold like that. Yeah, me. Is there nothing chicken can't do? I mean, I think we proved. There's a reason we did a whole Sweet 16 about chicken. It's also chicken salad day nationally, not just Missouri. I like the chicken salads. Man, I wish I had it in some reason.

I like turtles. Welcome back, guys, DGS on KMOX, few minutes past 2 p.m. Time to check in with our resident doctor, Dr. Tiffany Osborne. Hello, Doc. Wow, how are you doing? Doing okay. Andrew and I both have a little something. Are you seeing much of the little somethings? I mean, I guess the flu season's over with, but, you know, like we both have a little bit of like the headache and the sore throat and such. Yeah, I've been seeing people with allergies and maybe a few people who've got like a spring type. you know, upper respiratory infection, but not anything really serious. Good. Let's talk about the serious ones. And this is in no way, shape, or form meant to be like, if you live in Kirkwood, you're going to get Ebola. But we're interested in the hantavirus and the Ebola virus. And as Andrew pointed out, it seems like everyone from the Congo now is going on worldwide trips. So what are these things? And to what level does anyone need to be concerned here in the U.S.? Okay, so do you want to start with Ebola or hauntavirus? Dealers choice, whichever you want to do. Okay. All right. So let's start with Ebola and then let's break it down into what is it, what's going on with it, what makes it unique, and then what's the bottom line for us. So. Ebola is a virus and it can be particularly nasty. It starts off feeling like, I mean, I don't want you to start because you just got finished telling me how you're feeling, but it starts off feeling like you've got the flu and then it progresses to like diarrhea and emesis and you can lose up to 10 liters a day. It progresses then. It can progress, and not in every case, but it can progress to hemorrhagic fever, which is particularly terrible, in which you have a lot of fever, and there's bleeding basically from everywhere, eyes, nose, ears, everything. And depending on the strain of the virus, the mortality is between 25 and 90%, depending on who you read. Now, how it starts, is different than how it spreads. So generally, it starts from fruit bats. So fruit bats are the reservoir, and people either, like some people in Africa, hunt fruit bats, they eat fruit bats, or the fruit bat could contaminate food, or the fruit bat could contaminate another animal that then comes in contact with a person. So that's how it starts, but then how does it spread? So Ebola is contagious, but it's not nearly as contagious as measles or COVID. So it's not airborne. And it spreads generally through direct contact with body fluids. So that also includes after someone passes away. So during the last Ebola outbreak,

Some spread was occurring due to some of the customs, the burial customs, where people get washed before they're buried. And when they were doing the washing, they were coming in contact with these secretions and then that would pass it along. So that was part of the transmission. So what's going on in Africa right now? So the current outbreak is... centered in the Democratic Republic of Congo, or the DRC. And as of June the 1st, there were around 1,100 suspected cases, around 320 confirmed cases, and 42 deaths that were tied to the outbreak. Now, the World Health Organization was alerted in May, and what officials were calling and telling them was that there was this high mortality outbreak of an unknown illness. So 10 days later, laboratory testing confirmed that it was the Bundy Bungo strain of Ebola. So within 48 hours of that confirmation, the World Health Organization then declared that the outbreak was a public health emergency and was of international concern. So even though they were very quick, so last year, you know, in the 2014 Ebola crisis, that was one of the sources of contention was that it took too long for the World Health Organization to declare that. But this time that was very fast. The problem was that a lot of the experts believe that the virus had already been circulating for months before it was detected, probably even since early March, which means that the outbreak had already had a significant head start before containment efforts started. So what's unique about this virus? So this circulating virus is the boon de bourgeois, and it's a rare strain. Its mortality is about 30 to 50%, but it's a very rare strain. The Zaire virus is much more common. That's the one that we had in 2014, and that's got a mortality of around 70 to 90%. So since the Zaire is more deadly and more common, That is where vaccine and medication efforts were focused. Since that one was the one that was circulating, that's where they could do testing to figure out what they could provide as far as vaccines and medications. And the vaccines were actually very effective. One of the vaccines that they ended up developing... For 6,000 people who were exposed to someone with that strain of Ebola, they had 100% of effectiveness if they got the vaccine within the appropriate period of time. So it was very good. Now, but for this particular strain that we have right now. There is no approved treatment of any kind because it's rare. Since it's rare, the outbreaks, they don't have the exposure to be able to try to develop vaccines and medications. And it's a completely different strain from the other one. So the same medications and vaccines won't work. So, Doc, is this of concern to people in the U.S. other than being concerned about their fellow man across the ocean? So...

I think one, you know, number one, of course, is our humanitarian responsibility. I mean, in the last epidemic, there were 28,000 reported cases with 11,000 deaths. But what we also learned from that 2014 situation is that infectious disease does not respect boundaries. So during that 2015 situation, there were 11 people with Ebola who came to the U.S. Now, seven were medically evacuated. to specialize treatment and containment centers. But four were diagnosed within the U.S. Two were infected and then didn't develop symptoms until they got into the U.S. And then two were health care workers who had treated people who had been infected. But the bottom line there is that it's possible, not probable, that we would have exposure to Ebola. And in general, preventing cases in Africa not only is the right thing to do, it's also the most effective way to protect Americans. And Andrew is flying this Friday and he's afraid of picking up the hanta virus. Is it more easily spread? It is more easily spread with caveats. I don't think he's got to worry about contacting hantavirus. So let's start off with what is it? So hauntivirus is a virus that is usually spread by rodents. The incubation period is about 42 days. The problem is that although it starts with like flu-like symptoms, like everything else, it progresses to very severe cases where you can develop pulmonary edema, respiratory failure, shock, and the case fatality associated with it is between 35 and 50%. So what happened with this cruise? On the cruise, so the cruise leaves Argentina on April the 1st, this one person, a Dutch passenger, gets sick on April to 6th, and then he passes away on the 11th. And then between April 6th to 28th, there are other people who start to get pneumonia-like symptoms. On the 24th, the deceased passenger is disembarked as well as his wife and multiple other passengers, like I think, something like 37 people. And it turned out that his wife actually passed away two days later in Johannesburg. Now, here's the issue. What's different about this particular type of hanta virus? This type of hantavirus is different from any other hanta virus. type of haunt virus that is known to have human to human transmission. So typically outbreaks are in Argentina and Chile. So unless he's going to Argentina or Chile, he probably doesn't have anything to worry about. The spread of it. can be among household contact, sexual partners, unprotected caregivers, but it typically revolves around prolonged interaction, and they think that there may be a respiratory component to it, but that is unclear. In the United States, we do have hanta virus, but it's a completely different type. So the normal hanta virus, which...

everybody else, every other strain of hauntavirus except for that one that I just told you. You get it from rodents, not from people. So there's no human-to-human transmission. That's not good for Andrew. Andrews around more rodents than people. I know. You're all going to feel so silly when I do get hanta virus. I'm going to be like, you all said it was nothing to worry about. I won't feel that silly. You're probably flying with a mouse going to Vegas. Are you really flying with a mouse? It's hard to, I won't know until I see it. Every day a mouse lays out his clothes like he's Cinderella. This is what happens when you give him a mouse a cookie. Yeah, I don't intend to, but I mean, I really, it's really up to the mouse more than it's up to me. So I will tell you that typically in Missouri there's only one case a year and sometimes not even that much. Most of the United States, it's in New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Utah around in those particular areas. But that's what Gene Hackman's wife had passed away from. Interesting. Yeah, it was hauntavirus. Yeah. Doc, before we let you go, one more thing. We had another issue yesterday involving young Andrew. When you get a urine sample from a patient, do you typically give them instructions on how to get the urine into the cup? I typically figure that they know how to figure that out on their own. No, you should tell them. You should tell them. You should let them know the proper way to do it because it's not as obvious as everybody seems to think. Well. And I maintain that I think this is something everyone's done. every male has done and and uh uh they're just they just won't admit zero chance they just won't admit you know what you're not brave you're probably right they're not brave you're probably right thank you're probably right i bet that there are a lot of males who have done whatever it is you're saying that you did i bet they definitely say it boy i got it i got it i got it i got it i got it i got it i got it i got it i got it all over the place i mean well floating the cup in the toilet to start with I guarantee you're the first. That was more for fun than anything else. You're like the Neil Armstrong of this. That's like tubby toys, you know. The Neil Armstrong. All right, Doc, thank you. We appreciate it. Yeah, I got to tell you one thing, though. I was highly impressed with Kevin's Star Wars acumen. From the other day. Nice. Yeah. About the half-ass Jedi thing? Oh, all of the Jedi. All of the, he had very detailed ideas and hypotheses beyond what was the rationale for four days, different ideas that he had. So I was very impressed. I'm a nerd. There you go. Appreciate it. Talk to you soon. All right.

Welcome back, DGS 222. Okay, it's been a heavy show so far. Lots of political debate and Ebola. I'm going to lighten it up here. Although I take it very seriously, I have a statement to make, which you guys can then try to dispute. In the world of store-bought sweets, Intamin's full-size chocolate donuts. Are the king? Are we talking the devil's food or just the chocolate? The chocolate with the yellow cake. Okay. I like the devil's food, but the chocolate with the yellow cake is... The intimate donuts are like... If you can't get to a real donut shop, those are just fine. You know what I mean? They are quite good. I might even prefer them in some ways. I don't prefer them, but I do prefer them to like hostess or bunny bread or little Debbie donuts. I'll take pretty much any hostess product over an intimate. Now, intimate, except for the donuts. When it comes to the small donuts, right? I think Entomans probably reigns supreme out of that group. But you're talking about all stories. Another big statement. I'm done with hostess. Really? I don't even eat hostess cherry pies anymore. Hostess sucks. Dude, the Entiman's cherry pies are so much better. The little pie things? Yeah, yeah. The JJ's cherry pies. Yeah, those are good too. Not familiar with their work. Nope, they're good. And they're super cheap too. They're pie shaped. Okay. No, no, these are like hand pies. Yeah, they're like the hostess ones, but they're better. Okay. Yeah. And they're like a dollar each. Yeah. I would say little Debbie is the every man cake. Very good. Very affordable. Intimins is the rich guy donut, but I think it's worth the price. You got to look for the sale when it comes to the Intimans. I didn't know they went on sale. They do. They do. We only talking donuts are all of those things. No, it can be anything. Man. Sometimes I look at the Intimans website. They have so many treats I didn't even know about. They have cinnamon rolls. Tasty cakes are pretty good. That's a southern thing, right? Southern and East Coast. It was a big East Coast thing. We used to only get them when we visited my grandma in Pennsylvania when I was a kid. Rachel are adorable. I don't know another single human that goes to intimans.com. I'm on it right now. Intimans.com slash donuts. Their crumb topped donuts are also delicious. I do love a crumb top. Those are fantastic. Yes. They are. Um, try a tasty cake. Yeah, tasty cakes are good. I've had them. They're good. Yeah. Their quality. I will say, though, they are not as good as they used to be. Maybe it's just by point of reference changed. You know, when you're a kid, it's different. So it's awesome. And now you're like, eh, maybe it's not a great. Do you guys have anything that you see at the grocery store and you're like, I would love to. I just can't bring myself to pick this up. Because for me, it's, I always really want.

the Pepperidge Farms cookies or I think I do. That's funny. But then when the rubber meets the road and it's time to like commit to paying for that, I'm like, nah, I'm okay. I totally feel you. Yeah. Hmm. That would probably probably be a pretty good one because for me, it's not so much like Oreos are $4 and these are six. It's just, I don't know what's in that bag. I've not had the Pepperidge Farms. Yes. So. And I think that's what adds to their appeal is you can't see them. And it's like, man, those could be amazing. But they also could be not so great. And then I just paid, you know, $5. I could have spent that on some intimates. Mm-hmm. Not to go off on another fellow creative. I try to be very protective of performers of all types. But I was watching an interview today with Vanilli, I guess. And the CNN person said, now, I've spoken to your team. And I was just like, I almost spit out my coffee. I'm like, seriously, this guy has got a team? Vanilli's got a team to like take care of all of his requests. Oh, yeah. A lot of royalties there.

He's got a team of publicists. He's got multiple. He's probably got multiple assistants. I just don't know what's going on in the world. So I thought it was Millie and Vanilly, but you're telling me it's Millie Vanilly one person? The name is Millie Vanilla. No, neither person is named Millie or Vanilla. No. That's just the name of the band or the other group or whatever. Okay. Oh, wait, Millie and Vanilli is not their names? No. What are their names? I don't know. Fab something. Yeah, one of them's not with us anymore. Rory Gallagher. I don't know which one passed away, but one of them passed away. Wait. The one that wasn't on CNN. Wikipedia says past members Fab and Rob. So who's in Millie Vanilla. Oh, no, Millie now is two sisters. What? Yeah, when they were backing out a thing, it was a woman's, I forget her name. She said, yeah, my sister and I were not doing this or something like, you know, about the America 250 thing or whatever. Well, the guy that I saw with the team was definitely one of the original Millie Orvinel. Fab was who was on CNN. I'm looking at his video right now. Yes. But Fab. And Rob were never actually the singers. No. They're the ones that ran off the stage. They were the lip sinkers and the dancers. So that's the two sisters then? Is the real? I don't think they were the real thing now. Maybe they do the real thing now. Like they actually sing, you know. I think I'm certain to understand why Millie Vanilli wasn't more successful. It's impossible to figure out what's going on. Sure. It's a mystery. It's a built-in mystery. And I'm actively trying to figure it out, and I am lost. Yeah, you learned a lot in the last, like, 180 seconds. But did I? Did I really learn anything? First of all, there is no Millie or Vanilli. Second of all, they're chicks now. And they were... They have more questions than ever. Millie Vanilla. They were from France, right? Wasn't Fab a French dude? Sounds right. I know they were bicycle pants. I remember that about them. They definitely did that.

Welcome back, guys, DGS on KMOX, 234. Happy Wednesday. Excited to have my next guest in. Adam Klompi is a public historian at the Missouri Historical Society. And we're going to talk about... World's Fair. We're going to talk about a new baseball exposition, is I think of the right word, that they will be opening in October. Adam, welcome to the show. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Thank you so much for having me. So, first of all, how does one become a historian in this modern era? Like, what was your path? Yeah, yeah. You know, I think all historians, public historians, at least at the History Museum, we all come to it a little bit differently. I was in grad school. I was doing American cultural studies at St. Louis University. And I was, you know, looking for internships. And I ended up with an internship at the, you know, Missouri Historical Society to work on an exhibit for the, you know, 250th anniversary of the founding of St. Louis that we were doing in 2014. And I really just fell in love with the work. And, you know, I loved communicating with people. I loved writing for museum exhibits. And I basically just stayed there until they had to start paying me better than an intern. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah. I kind of did that in radio. Yeah, that's how I got these guys. So are you a St. Louis guy? I grew up in France. Franklin County, so nearby. Okay, yeah. And I'm, I mean, I'm a St. Louis guy, too. I grew up over in Illinois, but I've been here pretty much the whole time. And I grew up, honestly, like a bike ride away from Koki amounts. Never realizing that worldwide, this is a huge thing. This was just like, oh, climb up there. I can see you real far. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's, I think, one of the real... sort of blessings of being a person that was interested in history in this area. You know, St. Louis is at this really fascinating place. We have, you know, you know, history that goes back centuries with the native peoples that lived here. This is a place that's at this fascinating crossroads, you know, the confluence of these two rivers. It's sort of a northern city in some way, sort of southern, sort of eastern, sort of western. It's this place where all these ideas are sort of colliding. And it leads to this really fascinating deep history. So, you know, I always tell people, no matter sort of what avenue of history you're interested in, a way to find St. Louis through that avenue. It's almost unavoidable. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, whether you're talking about the trapper years or, you know, the gateway to the west and the river traffic and before that, the Mississippians, I mean, it really, a lot has taken place here. So let's talk about, first of all, the World's Fair. And I was sharing with you a few years ago, I became sort of semi-obsessed and went down an eBay hole. And that's pretty easy to do, right? But just like, I'm such an object. person and holding something in my hands that was actually there. It's just magical to me. And you've already educated me because I didn't realize because I told you when I look at the 1904 World's Fair, the photographs, obviously, I think. Fake. You know, this is like the pyramid or the moon landing or it's like there's no way we humans did this. But you explained it the way they built it allowed them to build it not just beautifully but quickly. Yeah. Most of the major structures at the fair, they were built. It was sort of a lumber frame. And then they had a facade that they would put on it that was made out of a substance called staff. It's essentially like plaster of Paris except it's got some straw and other things in it to make it more fibrous. So they could take that staff and they could pour it into more.

and make these beautiful shapes that could go on the outside of the buildings. They could pour it into blocks and carve statues out of it. So... And you could whip that up pretty quick. You could carve it pretty fast. You could build these massive structures in very little time. You know, they didn't break ground on the World's Fair until 1901. And they were supposed to open in 1903. So they had planned on two years to build this whole thing. So, yeah, it was all designed to go up really quickly and then also come down pretty quickly. And even though travel was so much more primitive back then, it was truly a World's Fair. Oh, yeah. Over 19 million people came to the St. Louis World's Fair in 1904. And, you know, they had a... improved, you know, talking about travel, they did all sorts of things to try to encourage more people to come here, right? They built better trolley lines to connect Union Station to Forest Park near the main Bill Gates so that people could take a train into St. Louis, hop in a trolley, get right there. You know, they improved the levy and stuff to make sure that people coming in on steamships and boats up the river could get here quickly and easily. So, yeah, they really worked very hard to make sure that this was, yeah, a global event right here in St. Louis. So what are some of your buildings or displays or... Things that we could have seen at the 190 World's Fair that maybe doesn't get as much attention as some of the other things. You mean like in the exhibit itself? Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, the centerpiece of the exhibit is, you know, something really cool that I don't think. Anybody's seen before. We opened this in 2024, and it's as close to the World's Fair as you can get today. It's a scale model of the entire World's Fair grounds. It's about every building, all the pathways. We project down onto it, so you got all the water and stuff. It's really, you know, I work in Forest Park. It's the best urban park in the country. And when I was working on the exhibit, I would look at maps to the World's Fair and say, oh, I'm going to walk through this part of the park today, and that's where this palace was or that one was. And as soon as I left the building, I get lost. But being able to see it on a map, like in a scale model, you're able to really tell where that's. stuff is. And we also have, you know, dozens of artifacts from our own collections that are out in that exhibit. You know, we have a, you know, essentially a big shovel that got pulled behind a horse that they used to clear ground in Forest Park, right? They had to... tear down a bunch of trees. They took the river to pair and they buried it underground so it would stop flooding during the World's Fair, right? Made to do all that with horses, you know, it's not earth-moving machines. So we have stuff like that. We have medals from the 1904 Olympics that were held at the 1904 World's Fair. We have a stine that Theodore Roosevelt drank out of when he visited the fair in November of 1904. So there's all sorts of stuff like you were saying that, you know, was present at the World's Fair that you can see and that you can't see anywhere else but the Missouri Historical Society. Yeah, so being a former wash shoe, I guess I'm a current Washington alum. I have to ask you about the Ferris wheel. Yeah, absolutely. Because I played golf a million times out there with my buddies during law school. And it was always like, no, it's right there. It's on the par five. Like, do we know anything? So, unfortunately, it's...

Not buried in Forest Park. We actually have a part of the World's Fair exhibit. Every two years, there's a room in that exhibit that we change out. It's a small, mini exhibit about a different part of the World's Fair. Right now, there's something in there about the history of the Ferris Wheel. And, you know, after the fair was over, the Ferris Wheel was meant to be taken down and then rebuilt on Coney Island as a permanent attraction there. And this is the original Ferris Wheel from the 1893 World's Fair in Chicago. So they had taken it down and moved it to St. Louis. But once they got it here, they decided this is way too much of a hassle. blew it up and they sold the metal for scrap. Damn. The axle was huge. It weighed something like 60 tons. And so they just took it and they put, you know, a guy who owned a scrap yard in Chicago bought it and he moved it up there and then eventually cut it up and sold it for scrap, presumably. Wow. Yeah, because when I went to Washu, the thing was, you know, right along Skinkert, there's that part five. Right. And there's some hills and everyone's like it's right there. Oh, that's it. Those are the hills. That's what it is. Those are the cars right there. And the thing is, too, you know, I actually, I love that story, even though it's not. It might not be correct. You know, there are a lot of people who firmly believe that it's still buried somewhere in Forest Park. And if you get those people into a room with people like, we have the newspaper articles that show that I went to Chicago, they get kind of mad at it sometimes. And I actually think that's what matters. It shows that connection that people still have to the World's Fair that still matters. So how much stuff is buried there? Like if everything was wiped off the map and archaeologist 500 years from now started digging, would they be like, damn, there's a World's Fair here? I mean, I think they would probably find. You would find stuff. You know, back before all the great improvements that happened in the Forest Park, you know, in the 80s and 90s, like back in the 70s and stuff, people would just kind of sneak into the forest park at night and they'd try to dig up, you know, when they were tearing down those palaces. that were made out of staff in lumber. They tried to salvage the lumber and sell it to construction companies, whatever, but the staff is worthless. So they either broke that up, put it in train cars and sent it to a landfill, or they just buried it somewhere in the park. So, you know, I'm sure there's still pieces of staff around in the park, but we really shouldn't go digging for that today. If you're just joining us, we're talking to Adam Kloppy, who is a public historian at the Missouri Historical Society. Rach anything before we move on? Okay. Baseball. You have Kevin Wheeler's full attention. You guys are doing... something cool with baseball in St. Louis? Yeah, so on October 3rd of this year, we're opening a brand new temporary exhibit called St. Louis at Bat, 100 moments in baseball history. And basically, you know, the reason we're doing this exhibit right now is because, of course, this year is the 100th anniversary of the first Cardinals World Series victory. So we're going to explore all the championships won by professional teams in St. Louis, the Cardinals, the stars in the Negro leagues, and then also the St. Louis Browns of the American Association in the 1880s. We have artifacts to help tell the... those stories. And then we have a timeline of 100 moments in the city's baseball history that it goes, you know, it talks about the Cardinals and the Browns and the stars and all those teams, but it also talks about things like, you know, a guy who lives in the suburbs of St. Louis who set up a wiffleball league in his parents' backyard in 2003 that they're still playing in today, right? We're talking about things like, you know, a... a team here that plays a version of baseball called beep baseball that's played by people with low and no vision. All about that, yeah. So, like, we really want to show that this is a place where, you know, baseball's been innovated on, that there's been whole communities here that have been, that have come up around baseball and that it's still just such a huge part of this city.

Very cool. You got anything in there about Guinness World record holders? I don't. A group of friends of us. We broke some records. That's really, so how many of the, in the top 100 if you're, when you're displaying all this? Where did you get all of the artifacts? And do you have them for every one of those hundred? Or is it just kind of certain ones? Yeah, it's for certain ones. You know, the moments we want to tell, it wasn't necessarily the top 100 moments, right? Right, right, right. Just the fun stuff. Right. And stuff that really shows the diversity and complexity of baseball's history here. So some of them, yeah, it's images and its words. We worked with a family here, the Chauvin family, who they had one of their... ancestors played for a team here called the St. Louis Blackstockings, which was one of the first black teams in this part of the country. They traveled all over the place. He still has descendants that live here. So there's no artifacts to tell that story, but we can make a video to help tell it. But yeah, you know, some of the artifacts in the show, there's over 200 artifacts. Some of them come from our collections at the Missouri Historical Society. We also worked with the Cardinals Hall of Fame Museum. We worked with folks like the St. Louis Browns. You know, historical society and fan club. Yeah, they're really, really active. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, the guy who runs that Ed Wheatley likes to say, you know, that there is not a Brooklyn Dodgers, you know, Historical Society and Fan Club. There's not New York Giants Historical Society and Fan Club. It's the Browns that still have that kind of culture. And, you know, groups like Minds Eye, groups like the Skippy Wiffle Ball League, groups like Challenger Baseball, which was a baseball league set up in the 90s for kids with developmental disabilities. Like, we reached out to some of these groups to get stuff in and help tell those stories. If the Historical Society came to you and said, hey, Adam, here's a million dollar grant, spend the next few years studying anything about St. Louis who want to study, what needs to be fleshed out? Oh, my gosh. I mean, so much. You know, like I said before, this is a place with such... You know, a rich and complex and diverse history. And, you know, one of the things I love most about working at the Missouri Historical Society, you know, I don't get to work on every exhibit that we have. But some of my favorite exhibits we've ever done are ones that I kind of have nothing to do with. We, you know, last year we had an exhibit up called Gateway to Pride that was about, you know, the LGBT community here in St. Louis and their history here. We have one up now about the Mill Creek Valley, a historic African American neighborhood that was torn down. But I'd never heard of, sadly, before. This year. Right, yeah. And so being able, you know, we work really hard to bring those stories to life for people. And we have such a talented staff and such a creative staff that's able to do that kind of work. So, you know, I don't want to put my thumb on the scale and say what it should be because I think we're already doing great work. Yeah. Adam, what can the average person do if they want to get involved with the Missouri Historical Society? Like, are there volunteer opportunities or there events that people can attend? Oh, yeah, absolutely. So we have, you know, a robust pool of volunteers, and we're always looking for more. So if you go to our website, mohistory.org, there's information on there, how you can volunteer. You know, the museum has free entrance, like so many of our great attractions here in St. Louis. But you can also join, you know, as a member at various different membership levels. And that comes with all.

sorts of benefits, including getting invited to exhibit premieres like the baseball premiere that's going to happen in October. You know, we're always, you know, trying to reach out. And then if you just want to come and see what we're all about, you know, we're open Tuesday through Sunday every week. So, you know, we're only closed on Monday so you can come any day. We're also open late on Thursdays. We do this great series of programs called Thursday nights at the museum where sometimes, you know, we have scholars to talk about St. Louis history. Sometimes we're doing game shows about St. Louis history. One time we did, we recreated wrestling at the chase. and turned our auditorium into a wrestling ring, right? So we're doing so much fun stuff on Thursday night. So I would just encourage people to come out to that. So you don't have to tell me where it's located, because I would 100% break in. But is there like a holy of holies there at the history museum? Like, you don't go in there. I mean, you know, our artifact storage is, you know, at our... at, you know, our library and research center, which is over there on Skinker, and that place just has so many treasures, you know, back in our storerooms. The stuff that you see on the floor is just a small percentage of what we can get out at any one time. And, you know... We try to get out as much of that as possible. There's things, you know, there's stuff that we wanted to get in the world's fair exhibit. That was too delicate that we couldn't get out on display, but we want to keep preserving that for future generations and future researchers. So, you know, that place is really, really special. And the reading room to that is open to the public. You know, I believe that's Tuesday through Saturday. So if, you know, if you want to do research on your house, on your family in St. Louis's history, you can go over there and our great library and archive staff can really help you find some treasures from our collections and our

holdings that can help you find that history that's awesome adam thanks so much thank you so much for having me pulled his gun on a fellow cop for microwaving fish at the police department. What else are the guns for? I mean, I saw this story. I didn't look into it too deeply. I did initially wonder, like, is this like cop humor? Like, hey, get the fish out of it. Probably, yeah. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just trying to understand. Yeah. It probably is something like that. I would hope that it's not like real anger. That'd be kind of much. For a press release, the Myrtle Beach Police Department asked the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division to investigate. He was booked and released on a $5,000. Oh, so it was serious. Court hearing is set for August 14th. Jeez. And he's on leave. Rachie, familiar with the male tennis player who says he doesn't want female judges? No, who is it? I think his name's V-A-L-L-E-Z. And he claims that he lost a recent tournament because of a female judge who's just not up to snuff and said that from now on he would like all male judges, please and thank you. Yeah, that's Adolfo Daniel Vallejo. Never heard of them. Yeah, I've never heard of them either. I don't pay close attention to men's tennis other than like the top 10, which I don't believe this person is in the top 10. I guess I would just ask him like, so what is it? The male brain can only see the mark on the clay and the female brain just goes like, I don't see it. The ovaries are in my way. I don't know what it's supposed to do. I wish I could say that that ball was in, but I am on my period and I am in a bad mood. He said that she was not strong. enough to handle the demanding crowd. Okay. Whatever that means. All right. Apropos of the cops and the microwave fish, Joel Bradley online says, fish, stick them up. Oh, boy. I thought it was pretty good. Oh, no, I get it. That's an Amy. At first I was like, what? I'm surprised that wasn't Amy texting us that. It's not bad. I don't like puns in general, but it's a pretty good one. There's a good one. I'm okay with that. I can't even find the story of the tennis. I'm Googling like tennis, male, judges, female. I just, yeah, I mean, it's not someone I've ever heard of before. Apparently, so apparently he was upset because when he lost, he lost to a 17-year-old. So I guess if you're a grown-ass man losing to a high school kid, maybe you're trying to find someone to blame other than your sorry-ass self. Right. Make sense? It's the lady's fault. The problem wasn't that a teenager kicked your ass. The problem was that stupid lady. I knew. It had to be one of them. Yeah. I don't want to jinx. A few minutes shy. No, a few minutes after 3 p.m. Beautiful day out there. I don't want to jinx this.

But good luck with the weather keeps going. It's a beautiful spring. Yeah, I mean, it could be 95 out there, so I'll take it. Do you want to hear about AI or do you want to hear about how I think I'm at the very edge of my abilities? Are they related? I want to hear about the edge of Dave's abilities. No, not unless I, some way I don't know about. But I was thinking last night and I had this thought and I'm like, oh, that's kind of a humorous thought. And I wrote it down. Then I woke up this morning. I read it and I'm like, no, that's true. And I promise you, this is not being self-deprecating or for you guys to tell me I'm pretty. I really think this. I've come to the conclusion at 61 because, you know, I could live like my mom until 97, but I don't think I'll be doing this professionally until then. So I'm on the back end. I'm on the back nine. I think that my professional life, personal life's totally different, of course. I am at the absolute edge of my abilities. This is the most I could ever do. I really think that. I think I'm a smart guy. I think I'm funny. I think I have a few tools in my toolkit. Clearly, because I've done a four-hour show every day, five days a week for 26 years. That's something. That's a lot. But I was a lawyer. I don't think I would have been a good one had I stayed because I don't have the stick-to-itiveness. I don't have the... personal grit to go in and do a boring job every single day. I just don't. Too much of a circus clown. I thank God I didn't become a doctor because I'm a good test taker and I probably could have passed a test to get into medical school and I would have left a trail of bodies in my wake. I maybe could have made it bigger in the media. Like I did a bunch of national television and national radio, but I've never had a national show. But I look at it and I think to myself, you did pretty good. I think you are at the edge of your abilities. You ever had a thought like that about yourself? I hope not. You hope you're not at the edge of your abilities? You're hoping to have no thought like that. I hope I'm not thinking that when I'm, you know, 35 years old. I think that's a good point. Yeah, you're too young to be thinking about it. I think that's something you would, you hit when you're... You know, like us. You've been around a little bit. Yeah. When you say you're at the edge of your abilities, like what emotion is behind that? And is that like, comma, and I'm so grateful that I've been able to accomplish so much in my life? Yeah. Yeah. It's way more gratitude than disappointment. Yeah. It's way more like, well, that went about as well as it could go. You know, like, because, you know, not a religious person.

If anything, I think in terms of multiple lifetimes, which I don't believe in either, but it makes more sense to me, you know, like, oh, next time you're this guy and next time you're that lady. But in this life, as this guy with these tools, I think it did okay. I think I hit about the highest batting average I could. Yeah. But that also means I don't think I had what it takes to do more. But I'm really not that disappointed about that. What more do you want? Oh, you know, like I could have made more money. I could have been a senator. I could have been a tech billionaire. You know, like there are all kinds of people you can be in this life that I think would be, not empirically, but subjectively more impressive than the one I've been. So that's why I say like, I'm... Like, I don't see me being a tech billionaire. I don't see me being a senator. I don't see me being, you know, all these different things. And that's why I look at it and go, yeah, you went about as far on this map as you could. Yeah. So, yeah, Rachel, it's more of a pleasant thought than it is like, uh, poor me. It's just like, oh, okay. All right. I'll take it. Yeah. I mean, you have to think, like, having your name on an afternoon show in a major market for 26 years. There's nothing to be like, and I accomplished nothing. It's like, no, you've accomplished something like the vast majority of people will never accomplish. Yeah, I don't think anybody looks at you and thinks like, never lived up to its potential. What market do you have done? Vic says, aren't we always at the edge of our abilities until the next push comes? Shut up, Vic. Yes, but I think... They always got something to say. He's always got something to say. They always got some. All those chatters. He's so on the edge. No, it's a valid point to bring up. And I would just say this. Sure, if you put me in Navy SEAL training and you screamed at me and all that stuff, I could probably do more than I think I could. I wouldn't become a Navy SEAL, but I might go, well, I made it... 18 hours. I didn't think I could do that. But it feels pretty mushy out there as far as like pushing the boundaries more, if that makes sense. Sure, I could do it. Seems silly. So, you know, that's not necessarily what push means. You know, push doesn't always mean somebody gets in your face. Says I'm going to kill you if you don't. No, I took it as good, meaning push your own boundaries. Yeah, like, or just like a weird opportunity comes along and it's like, you know. Have you close to my age? You have similar feelings at all? Or feelings at all? I don't think of it as broadly as you are. I think of everything in its own little box. I don't know if that makes any sense. Say that again. I don't think of. my abilities as some broad thing.

I think, okay, I had a baseball player part, and I had a radio part, and I do other things. But I don't really think of, like, as a baseball player, I probably did get close to maxing out what I was capable of doing physically. Like, didn't throw hard enough to really be a big factor, didn't have the training techniques at the time. So I don't have any regrets about it because what we know now about biomechanics and all that, we didn't know then. So, you know, that was not going to happen. I don't really have a regret on it, but I can see it, right? I can look at it and see it and evaluate it. I think so much of what we do in this business is right place, right time in terms of whether you end up with a national show, whether you end up, you know, at a place. I'm at KMOX because a listener to my old national show made the connection for me. That's how that happened. You know, like, I think there's so much randomness to it that I don't want to assign anything to it. I think all of us that are doing it are clearly capable. And most of us are capable of doing it in bigger markets or smaller markets or national or staying local. I don't think there's a huge gap in abilities. A lot of times it's timing, it's relationships. And sometimes it is grind. I mean, there are people that are like, I don't care if I have to move every year. I want to keep going up, keep going up. For me, my goal was, I want to have fun doing what I'm doing. And if I'm having fun, I'm not going to sweat all that. It's a great attitude. So if you're going to say, did you achieve what you wanted? Yeah, I basically have had a 30-year career of having fun every day. That was kind of the goal of getting into this. Like, I want to do something for a living that I enjoy doing. That's more rewarding to me and more worth it to me than grinding for every dollar. Even though it would be nice to be super rich, you know the odds of being super rich are low. And you also know that getting from, let's say, level A to level B, the difference isn't that much greater. Is it going to be worth it to have the constant moving, right? If I have to move every year and uproot my family every year, is that worth it to go from St. Louis to Chicago, you know? And actually, you know, for me, it was obviously the other way around. Yeah. But you know what I mean? Yeah, you're going the wrong way. I have guys and the friends in the business who literally the first 10, 12 years of their career, they moved every year. Yeah. Because sometimes, because a lot of times the only way to move up is to move on. Yeah. As opposed to staying where you are. Well, I said it to Brian Kilmeade. I don't know if you guys were there. But I said to his face one time, like, not only are you not better than me, I think I'm actually better than you. But you work so much harder than I do. And you always have your whole career. And he just laughed. He's like, you're 100% right. He said, you have no idea how many guys I left behind me who were more talented than me. But the talent I do have, and Brian's very talented. Of course he is. But the talent that he says he does have is like, just being a grinder, like he said. He's out there every shift. Knocking heads. Where I was more like, this feels okay. This feels pretty good. It's all about what motivates you, though, right? If your motivation is advancement or money or whatever, that's cool. It's just not what motivated me. Yeah.

So the AI thing, you can see this on Drudge, there's a headline, it's big, get you a headline, that $13 trillion in the creative market, which is I understand it, they wrote the article mostly about news, but it would also include us. It would also include actors and actresses and musicians. 13 trillion in creative dollars could go away in the next several years because of AI. And their focus of the story was not just AI news, but this is something Rach has talked a lot about, and I didn't know this really or didn't get it, that AI goes out there and grabs, say, for example, the KMOX news and then regurgitates it in their own, so they're just basically stealing stuff. That's all it does. No, that's exactly what it is. And now it's starting to do that with other entertainment sources and... You know, they came for these guys and I said nothing and they come for us. So. Yeah. I mean, that's why a lot of people, including, I think, our own union. have been pushing for legislation. And I forget which there, I want to say there was an actor or a musician who is really pushing this too. Was it Scarlett Johansson? I think Scarlett Johansson is really pushing this. It's this idea that if you're going to be improving your product, which is what AI is, using my work, you need to pay me for it. I need to be compensated for that. And that's what a lot of authors are saying, like these things are learning my book. But it's not going to credit me and I'm not going to get paid for the work that I did. And I think that's a major ethical question. And you know the tech bros, they just want to do, do, do, do, do. They don't care about any of this stuff, which is why it's frustrating that our political leaders haven't gotten ahead of this and said, wait a minute. You don't just get to steal and plagiarize. Because if you go ask about a story on chat GPT or whatever, it'll just lay it out for you. Now, it does provide links, usually, for things. But at the same time, it didn't have that information itself. It didn't source that. It didn't report on it. It didn't go write it. It's just taking what it was given by seeing it somewhere else. So Bernie Sanders just very recently came out with this idea. He wants to do something called the American AI Sovereign Wealth Fund Act. So what it would do is put a one time 50% tax on these tech companies stock, which would be paid in shares and then deposit that equity into a public fund that gives Americans like voting rights, board representations, and eventually we would get checks in the mail based on what AI is generating. And the idea behind that is like AI exists because of what we are putting into it. So we should get something back. And what we're losing.

Like our jobs. Yes. So, I mean, I have to do more research on this, but at first blush, I'm like, uh, this is definitely better than the deal we're getting right now, which is we get nothing. Nothing. Yeah. Oh, we get to generate images on our, I can make myself look like Princess Leia. Okay, I don't care. I don't need that. You could take that away forever. It doesn't affect my life in any way. I mean, isn't it a basic human right that you should be paid for your work? Yeah. Why do they get to steal all of our work? And by all of ours, I mean all people. Yes. I don't just mean radio people. I mean everybody. But your right wheels, it's not just like licensed art that they're stealing from. They're also going through, they're coming through Reddit threads. And just the average person's comment, people's tweets, people's meta posts, they take that data and they learn from it. They're stealing from us. They don't exist without us. And this idea of like, it's so smart. The AI just has such a high IQ. It's like, no, it just gobbled up everything in sight. Yeah. And now it's throwing it up back at us. Yeah. I have less of an issue if it's just taking public domain things that we put out there for free because we feel like it versus I wrote a book. And it took me four years to write this book. And I did all the research and I interviewed all the subjects. And now AI just gets to learn it and use it to make money for this tech company. Or they get to take images that were generated in movies that were made by people that were creative and did the things. The fact that they can profit off of and monetize other people's work is a real problem. And they also, like, meta just came out a couple weeks ago and said, like, we're not encrypting your Instagram messages anymore. Your meta messages are no longer encrypted, meaning RAI can go in and view your conversations and view your photos and all this stuff. All these things you started doing before you even heard of AI had any inkling of what this was. We can now go and we can scan and we can profit off of this. Just we can. We're just using you as a tool. And are we just so addicted that we put up with it? I mean, yeah, if you are already using that. I'm going to guess most people don't know that's happening because who's reading stories about Instagram every day? I only know because I check that kind of stuff for headlines and work purposes. So it is, it's not like you get a notification that's like, hey, here's what we're doing. Yeah, interesting. It just happens.

Degas, Dave Murray joins us at the bottom of the hour. Do you guys see this poll? It does a you gov.net favorables of public figures. So it goes from the most liked public figure to the least. And it's a real thing. I looked it up. You want to hear them? Any guesses that who's at number one? Most popular? Yes. It's politicians or all public figures? All public figures. Punch the monkey. Close. The rock. God, damn it, I was going to say the rock. Pope Leo. Pope Leo is at a net plus 37, followed by John Stewart, who's at a plus 14, Senator Mark Kelly, Jon Ossoff, also I think is Senator. Glenn Youngkin, I think he's a Republican... politician. Yeah, Virginia, I think. James Talarico, who's running for the Senate in Texas as a Democrat, Ro Khanna, Pete Buttigieg, and Josh Shapiro. Then you get into the negatives. At negative 1, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Negative 3, Kamala Harris. Negative 4, Thomas Massie. Negative 5, Gavin Newsom. Negative 8, JD Vance. Also, negative 8, Marco Rubio. That's interesting. Negative 10, Ron DeSantis. Negative 17, Donald Trump. Negative 27, Donald Trump Jr. And in last place, at a negative 36, Tucker Carlson. Really? Yeah. That's the list. Tucker Carlson's the most unpopular public person on the United States. That's what this is saying. My Lord. If it's to be believed. You know, I actually understand it with Tucker Carlson. Because he's kind of pissing off people on both perspectives. Yeah. You know, he's been going after Trump on certain things. He's been going after the right on a few things, notably I think Epstein and stuff like that. But he's also always gone at the left, too. So he's not going to really be popular with anybody. Oh, dude. Speaking of the Epstein, have you seen, I apologize I don't know her name, a female, either congressperson or a senator. They were interviewing Todd Blanche yesterday and she went after him. I don't know what happened, but this Epstein thing will be talked about for decades, if not 100 years in America, as one of the biggest grifts, one of the biggest distractions, one of the biggest stains on American history. What this guy did, he did, what the people around him did, they did. That's one thing, just like the Catholic priests who did what they did. Right. But then the Catholic church is forever stained because of the cover-ups. And the receipts this lady was bringing. And just one example, there's an email in there from Epstein's attorney to Trump's attorney in 2009.

back and forth, whichever, that said, in lieu of a deposition, here's what Donald has to say, and it's all redacted. I think that's something we deserve to read. And that's just one of thousands of examples she had. So? It's Representative Madeline Dean. Okay. Yeah, check it out. You'll be so pissed. Trying to make the living in. DGS 335. Dave Murray brought you by this league of heating and cooling weather desk. Hello there. Been waiting all day to use this one on you. I was doing my show prep this morning and on drudge I see a story and all red and it says Godzilla El Nino to cause chaos. And I'm like, this one's going to send him. I bet it's real. Spirling. Yeah, well, we've heard super. That got tagged pretty early. We've heard Monster, and now we have Godzilla. Just to get those clicks, we got to keep adding words to it. It's going to be an El Nino, period. I'm not quite sure how long it's going to last. I'm not convinced that it lasts deep into the winter, but we shall see about that. And it's going to be strong. What happened was back in the 90s, some clown put the word super El Nino on this thing. And it was a very strong El Nino. It was back, I want to say 79, something like that. But it was in the 70s. And there was a lot of big West Coast storms. There was a lot of wild weather that, and we didn't know a lot about El Nino at the time. So now every time El Nino starts to develop, which is about every three to five years, super, it's a super El Nino again. We're all going to die. Just we can deal with it, okay? And I know we've talked about this day, but in general, what does El Nino cause? It's a warming of the Pacific oceans. Now, there's other effects across the world, but it's mainly a stretch of very warm waters in the Pacific. And it's kind of tied to South America and Central America as it goes across the Pacific. And the one difference this year is that the waters of the Pacific are... kind of warm already, so it's warming up quite a bit. Now, will there be some wild weather coming up as we go through the fall and into the early winter? Probably, probably. But again, we can handle it. It's not the end of the world. Yeah. Yeah. It's just not going to be the end of the world. Okay. You already hear first. Not the end of the world. Speaking about great weather. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic. Yesterday we were at this time, we were 79 for the temperature over 53 Mike DeWine point. We're 80 over 49 with a Mike DeWine point. So this evening is going to be.

Perfect. Yeah. Top 10 evening for June, early June. Yeah, Rach and I have been saying it's the best spring I can remember. It's been a really good spring. We've had some variety. We've had, we've had some severe weather, but we haven't gone crazy with the severe weather. And yeah, it's been really nice for St. Louis standards. And it looks like we're still. Staying away from 90 for the next few days? Yeah, for the next, we're going to start to get close tomorrow. I'm going to go 88 tomorrow. It's going to warm up, but I think the humidity is still lagging a bit, so lots of sunshine. Friday, partly sunny. We're going to start to really feel the humidity on Friday, especially in the afternoon. It might be a spot shower. 88 degrees. The weekend, definitely humid. Saturday, partly sunny. Maybe a spot shower, but I think a lot of Saturday is rain-free, 89 degrees, and Sunday, partly sunny, very humid, with scattered showers and thunderstorms, an increase, I think, on Sunday. A couple of those isolated storms could be on the strong side. It's a long way off, but we'll keep an eye on. And about 89 again on Sunday. Nothing's extreme with our temperatures, but the humidity starts to really come back on Friday. Okay. Headlines, Rich. Yeah, the White House Correspondence Dinner is getting a new date and a new location. Now, I don't know exactly where this location is going to be. That was not announced at the time of me gathering this story. But the new event will take place on July 24th. That's roughly three months after an armed man tried to breach the April 25th gala at the Washington Hilton. So, I mean, I'm not saying like it's the Washington Hilton's fault, but... They didn't prevent the guy from getting into the event. Yeah, so I'm glad they're going to be moving this to a different venue. Yeah, the way I look at the most recent assassination attempt is I don't think there was much chance of him getting into the room, but there was obviously a great chance at him running the gaunt, right? Like, for my money, that should even be possible. You know, he could have killed Secret Service people or... Wolf Blitzer, who is taking a leak, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. NASA has declared that its Mars Maven spacecraft is dead after six months of silence. This is very sad. The Maven's mission has ended after more than a decade of observations. It was launched in 2013 to study Mars atmosphere from orbit, and Maven mysteriously fell silent in early December after passing behind Mars. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's what I said. The aliens took it. But data indicates that the spacecraft went into a fast spin, disrupting its orbit, and draining the batteries on board. So NASA is just saying, we're giving up. R.E.P. Maven. Does anyone know, are either of the Voyagers still operational out there in deep space? Don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure.

It's pretty amazing that they lasted as long as they did. It's crazy. That was the 70s when they launched those things. And how far away they are by now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The president has signed a resigned order on AI models. So last month, he was supposed to sign an order and then called it off at the last minute. This revised order asks AI companies to give the government an advance look at their new models. So the government can better prepare for potential security and economic fallout. That would be a 30-day review period before public release. Originally, that was supposed to be 90 days, but they want to cut down on red tape, so they're making it 30 days. I also want to make it clear this program for these tech companies is voluntary. The major firms are, you know, expected to opt in, but it is voluntary. So we're asking them, please. Do the right thing here. Yeah, that's interesting. I would think that they, okay, so I hate the government. So anything they do, I'm going to have a thumb on the scale for that stupid and you suck. But this one makes some sense to me, given the, you know, dangers that at least we here on the show talk about with AI all the time. Yeah, I would want my government to have a little advanced. Warning. I thought we were getting a siren. Get a little advanced warning on like, hey, we got this thing and it could, you know, topple the economy or what have you. But yeah, interesting story. George Santos has been reported to prosecutors because of some suspicious Kalshi trades. Let's see here. So Kalshi is a prediction market. George Santos had said over and over again, like, I'm going to be at the State of the Union. Catch me at the State of the Union guys. And then I guess he ended up betting against himself going to the State of the Union. Well, the morning of the State of Union, he posts from the airport. He's like, I'm hung up on the airport. Can't make it to the State of the Union. What a total waste of oxygen. Yeah. God. Are you even capable of not being a piece of trash? Are you capable of just working at McDonald's or something and giving someone eight hours for the pay? Like, God. I mean, that seems pretty blatantly illegal. Yeah, you would think so. But the way I understand it is the predictive markets are like the Wild West right now. I think these things are ridiculous. Why is this allowed to exist? I agree. Who chooses what is eligible for being wagered upon? Can I just enter a thing on there and say, I think I'm not going to be there tomorrow? Yes, I think you can. Or do they have to be like? Here are the events we're laying, because on a sports book, for example, like they lay out all the games and they give you the odds. They lay out the props, you know, home run leaders for the year, who's going to win the World Series, all that. Like, it's all set by them. It's not set by us. The users do not create that. It's set for you by the bookmakers. I've never used Kalshi, but their tagline is trade on anything. Anything.

white bread as possible because I'm not speaking for myself, right? So the idea that it's like, hmm, I need to make a post for my boss. I know what I'll say. Homosexuality has no place in this country. He'll love it. Happy pride. Like, that's kind of... I don't know if it's impossible to believe. Impossible. It is impossible to believe. You see a little bit of his background and it's all that stuff. Right. Yeah. It is impossible to believe that someone who works for an important person. would just put that out there on their own. No, it's silly. Yeah. It's the same way. I mean, it's possible, but it is so unlikely that it's basically impossible. Well, it's also the same way that Trump, bald-faced lied, shock about the anti-weaponization fund. Oh, I had nothing to do with that. I wasn't really involved with that. Really? Sure you weren't. So they just, this came up with that, came up with a number. decided to give you immunity on your taxes, and just surprised John a Tuesday. And then when everyone in the Senate started pushing back on it, suddenly not you, because you have no control over it, they decided to put it away. Todd Blanton, his testimony is like, yeah, that's done, it's dead, it's never coming back. And they're like, well, what? And he's like, well, I think the underpinnings of it were valid, blah, blah, blah. Well, dude, you're the one who did it because Trump didn't even know about it. Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies. Well, and I promise you that Andy Ogles is one of those guys. He's in the group that would be like, where are all the real men? We don't have any toughness anymore. Well, look at you. As soon as it gets hot, oh, I didn't really do that. Sorry. Staffer. Liar. If you want to say it, own it. Don't, I mean, there has never been a thing that I've said on the radio in 30 years that I wouldn't put my name on. Nothing. I've never sent a tweet and said, oh, no, that wasn't me. I was hacked. If you're going to say it, own it. Or, shut up. Yeah. Just. Everything about it is disgusting. Yes.

The Cardinals Report is sponsored by Rawlings. Visit the Rawlings Experience at Westport, which I have yet to do and I really need to do. I think it's going to be really cool, big Rawlings guy, big baseball guy. Matt Pauley joins us from, I believe, the ballpark. Hello, Matt. Hey, how's it going? You're right. I am at the ballpark. Yeah, not going too badly. I kind of want to talk about some not-so fun stuff today if we can. I'm just going to fall on my sword and just say it like it is. While I am a true blue Cardinals fan and I love the players and I have no personal problems with Gorman, when he hit the home run, part of me was like, well, crap. Now we have another six to 12 weeks of maybe he's coming back and maybe it's going to change. I mean, I know the least in this room, maybe in the city about all this stuff, but there have to be other fans looking at this and having similar feelings like, I get it, rebuild, runway, but it feels like two or three seasons of this with Gorman. Yeah, it's not going well for him, obviously, and that's a problem. Even that home run yesterday, that was just him making contact, and he's got all the strength in the world, so he was able to hit it out the other way. I mean, it was impressive in the sense that he is an impressive guy when making contact, but I didn't look at that and go, okay, that's the pathway to him getting fixed. He just kind of ran into one for me more than anything else. I... I'm going to be interested to see at some point in the next week, week and a half, Lars Neutbar. Nathan Church and Ramona Rias are all going to be back. And once those three guys are all back, I think we can look at a couple guys off the roster that are likely to not be here anymore. Thomas C.C. probably is not going to survive that. I don't know Victor Scott the second is either. And then all of a sudden that third guy gets back and it might come down to Brian Torres or Nolan Gorman. And I think it's going to be really interesting to see what happens there. And I was under the impression that Gorman. and have any minor league options left? I said that on the radio a couple days ago. I've been correct on that. Gorman does have a couple minor league options. So if they did want to get him out of here and send him to AAA, that is an option. The bigger question after that becomes, well, who in the world is going to play third base if you do do that? But I just, I think that we're likely going down a pathway where this team might have to make a Torres versus Gorman decision. And I'll be very curious to see what that might look like. I'm not sure that's a decision, though. Oh, I think it absolutely is. If you're sending out Gorman there, you have nobody but Urias to play third base. Because C.C. is already down. For Mene's not going to play there. And Erius is worse against right-handed pitching than Nolan is. Yeah, you can play for Mien there if you really need to. But why, though? His numbers are worse than Gormons. He makes more contact and he hits 270, but his OPS is worse than Gormons. You can play Torres there if you really need to as well. Torres? Has he ever played third base?

More than like once or twice? We were just having a conversation in the Cardinals Clubhouse a few moments ago, me and some of my media brethren about let's watch and see if Brian Torres plays any third base here over the next week or so, as that could tell us a lot about what they are thinking moving forward. I just find all of this to be fascinating. Because the real problem in my world, as I'm looking at this, is you don't have a viable option at third base other than Gorman. Yeah, I'm looking at his career. He played 41 games at third base in 2019 in the Pioneer League. Okay. He played four games at third base in 2021 at AA. He played one game at Memphis last year. So he's got like... 50, 55 games, a third base in his minor league time. Right, and the vast majority of them seven years ago. Well, I mean, yes. I'm looking at it now. He's played one game at third base in the last four years. That's better than none. I'm just saying, like, to me, that's not a viable option because for, and again, I'm not the defense guy, defense, defense, defense, you know, I want the bat in there. there's no guarantee that the Torres bats any better than the Gorman bat. He's got like 20 at bats in the major leagues. I mean, it's, and for Means numbers overall, his OPS is lower than Gormons, and he doesn't have the upside of any power whatsoever. So I think the part of the problem is unless they're going to let Blaise Jim Jordan step up and play third base in the big leagues. And I'm not sure anybody sees him as a third baseman. But that's at least to me your only viable option. But where does he fit with all these other guys coming back? Yeah, he doesn't. And also I just tweeted this out. And I talked about last night of the post game. The last time Blaise Jim Jordan played a game at third base in Memphis was on May 27th. He has played six games since then at first base or DH. If the Cardinals had any, any. any thought of Blaise Jim Jordan being a third basement at the big league level. He would be at third base every stinking day at Memphis. And he hasn't played there in over a week. If that's not a message being sent, it's just a, they're clearly saying this is not a third base. So I think there is a better percentage chance of Brian Torres playing third base than Blaze Jim Jordan playing third base. I'm not saying what you're saying is wrong. What you're saying is right. But what you're saying also flies in the face of everything this team has ever said or done about defense. It's a new era. I agree, but they're still playing Victor Scott. You know, I mean, they're still running a guy out there that's hitting a buck 80 and can't get a bunt down. And they do have choices because Brian Torres can play center field. And so can for me. And they're choosing not to play those guys for defensive reasons. Yeah, I was actually a little surprised when I walked in the ballpark today, and I saw Scott's name in the lineup in center field. Now, the reason is they're giving Weatherholt the day off, so they need to Jayce over. And I think it was a prescribed day off for Wetherholt. Sure, sure. So once you have Cajie, it's second. It's McKinsey, so if you're going to pick a day, probably a good day. You got for me not in. So you didn't really have. I guess you could have played Velasquez in the outfield if you wanted to, you know, start to mess around. But kind of surprised he's not in there against the lefty.

You don't, I don't think you want to, if you have a prescribed day off for a guy, it's not always the best case scenario to make a change at the last second. That being said, and I'm sure we'll talk about this a lot on Rush Hour, sports Redbird Rush Hour today. Man, that was the type of performance yesterday from Victor Scott II. If that's not a performance that yells, this guy needs a day, I don't know what is. Needs a day. I would argue needs to go down. Okay. I mean, you have, you have one primary skill in your back pocket, and that is your speed. You can catch fly balls. He's really good at that. But he doesn't throw particularly well, even though he has a good arm. He doesn't throw well. He can't hit. And the one thing he's supposed to be able to do is bunt. And when he's on base, he never steals. He's one of the fastest people in baseball. And I'm sorry. I don't want to hear from the team, oh, it's the math. The pitcher's too quick to home. It doesn't stop Chandler Simpson from running. It doesn't stop Ronald Acuna Jr. from running. It doesn't stop Ellie Delacruz from running. It doesn't stop any other elite runner from running. But it stops Victor Scott. Yeah, it's infuriating watching him just stand at first base when he's on there. He finds a way to get on and he doesn't make a move. I don't have an explanation for it. It's just he's a shell of the best version of himself we've ever seen. By the way, I don't know if you were saying that you were surprised that Velasquez wasn't in the lap. He's in there, by the way. He's in there. He's in there. So I just, just to be. I hadn't looked at it until you said it. And then as you said it, and as I said, I was surprised I looked and found out I shouldn't be. He's in there. Right. So the fact that we have been educated about this rebuild and so forth and so on, I as a fan have come to think of a trade to be like something other teams do. Like people who go out and they find someone and they'll give you this guy for this guy and we don't do that. But it sounds like at third base, whether we're motivated by being in the running in a few weeks or not being in the running in a few weeks, seems like that would be you got an embarrassment of riches of catchers in the minor leagues. I don't know if any of them are good enough yet proven enough to attract a trade and get a decent third baseman. Probably not alone. But I think, Matt, we talked about that a little last night. If you're looking for... a third base upgrade, a regular third baseman, that's the path right now. It's to look at the trade market, whether it's now or in the offseason. Now, I will say this. There's a way to make the position a little bit better by playing splits. So like when Arias is back, if he faces every lefty and plays third base, well, you're going to get better against lefties because he hits lefties. But if you're playing him against righties, you're wasting your time because he's just not good enough to hit right. He hasn't hit right-handed pitching in years from what I've seen, at least not for any extended period of time. Yeah, I just, and they're not going to, this team is not going to go acquire anybody that is going to cost them anybody who has any chance of being part of the future. That's just no matter what's going on, that is not happening this year. So they're not going to go trade away a piece that could play a role moving forward for a guy to come play third base. They're going to figure it out internally before they do that. Now, is there a scenario where they, unless that's a guy who's maybe.

a third baseman who's similar time schedule to what you're talking about. As an example, a guy like, this is a terrible example because he's basically Gorman. But like a Kobe Mayo from Baltimore would be the age, team control kind of thing. He's not an upgrade because he's, again, he's struggling just like Gorman is. But if it were something that matched up with what you're doing, like, hey, a catcher and a pitcher for a third baseman and we're all kind of on the same. timeframe, you know, early to mid-20s, lots of team control, that would make more sense. Yeah, that's essentially what I was about to say. There's that type of scenario could play out. Maybe you are selling and there's a throw in on a guy on an expiring contract and you actually have to bring in a little bit of money to do that. I think that there are ways to do it, but it's not just going to be a straight, go get a better third baseman for a real piece for the future. That's not happening. Yeah, it's definitely not a short-term upgrade, right? You're not looking at, you know, somebody starting third baseman who's a free agent at the end of the year. That's not the play. And it's weird, you know, this team has depth in a lot of areas, right? I mean, you've got extraordinary depth at catcher. I think you're covered for days at second base, at least in terms of people that can play that position adequately. They won't hit like JJ, but they can play the position. Right now, third base and shortstop are just non-existent in the minor league system. Anywhere near the majors. Down the path a little bit, there are some interesting guys, but they're way down the path. So, you know, if anything happens to win, you're really struggling. And obviously, if Gorman doesn't get out of it, there's not a really easy answer there. There's not, and they've kind of done this to themselves, and you can't always control what develops and what doesn't develop through your minor league system, but you knew there wasn't a lot of depth in that area. I don't think being strong at second base is an especially good position to be in in terms of the trade market, because just about every team across baseball is strong at second base. I have a question for you guys. Man, I'll ask this of you first since you've had such a vast experience in the minor leagues. But guys get there a couple of ways. They're drafted out of high school and they become a professional and they go to A ball or something. Or they go to college and they get drafted and maybe they start out at double A or, you know, what have you. Is there like a stigma among the players? Either way, like, oh, he's a high school guy. Oh, he hasn't been in the pros for four years like us. He went to West Virginia for four years. Or is it simply like, hey, you take the guys, they come, and you play them where they play. Yeah, there's no stigma at all. Everybody has their own different path and nobody's being judged on it. The only thing I would say is if you're like a four-year college guy and you're low-drafted, let's say you're a pitcher and you are pitching in the SEC and you get assigned to low A and you are just dominating, well, you're facing off against like 19-year-old dudes. So people are going to be like, yeah, this guy's 22 years old. Of course he's doing this. This isn't real. And more often than not, it's not. And even the college guys, very few.

guys are going to make their minor league debut at AA. Most guys are going to touch low A for a moment. A handful of guys are going to go straight to high A. But you generally want to check off the single A box before you get there. So the only thing I would say is there's dudes who are too advanced to be at low A and they end up there. There is also the thing, and this isn't totally the question you're asking, but I always have to laugh because some of these, like I worked in Burlington, Iowa. And when I was in Burlington, Iowa, the Midwest League had cities like Beloit was Wisconsin and Clinton, Iowa, like just terrible, terrible ballparks, terrible spots. And you would have guys being drafted out of the SEC. You're playing in front of like 15,000 people in Baton Rouge, Louisiana one night. And now all of a sudden you got to go play in Beloit, Wisconsin in front of 200 people. And it's a really weird thing because it's the only scenario in sports where you can go from college to pro. And it feel like you really took a step back. Yeah. Yeah. facilities. I know that they've upgraded a lot of the minor league facilities in the last handful of years, but boy, they're still not at the par of some of the top D1 schools. Let's try to do this in about 90 seconds. Is the biggest gap between college and pros baseball? The big leagues you mean? Time-wise, yes. Time-wise, yes. And I think a lot of it is, too. It's one sport. You're using a different equipment. I mean, you have a different bat. You're not using a metal bat anymore when you get to the pros. So there's always like, all right, let's see how that looks and get adapted to that. And they all hit with wood before that. But you know what I mean? Like they're not doing it in games. They're not doing it in their most competitive environment except in the summer. But yeah, I think that's probably the most difficult one because the nature of the job is. especially as a hitter is you're going to fail so much. It's a hard job to do. It's not as much about physical. Yeah. Baseball and hockey are similar. Basketball and football are similar as well. But even in hockey, I mean, some of these guys are 17, 18, and they jump right into the league. Those are the freaks, but yeah. You'll get the occasional dude in baseball that does that, but not very often. All right. Cool. Thank you, Matt. Appreciate it. Yep.

Welcome back, GGS 426. Happy Wednesday. Scientists charged with smuggling deactivated monkeypox into the U.S. on a Delta flight. Two scientists with a U.S. government lab, nice, charged with smuggling vials of deactivated version of a deadly virus into the country from Africa on a fully sold out every seat taken Delta Airlines flight. What was the reason they gave? What were they going to do with this? They wanted to do research, and it was the fastest way to get it into the U.S. to their lab, and they decided to roll the dice. Uh, what? Yep. They wanted to make a sourdough bread and they thought, you know. Good call. Let's throw some monkey pox in there. Saw an interesting TikTok today by a mortician who said that after 40 years in the business, he will 100% have a green burial. He said that if you're worried at all about your body after you die. embalming and all the other stuff is very jiggly and very much more aggressive and you would be bothered to see your loved one go through it and it's bad for the environment and therefore his advice is simply if they allow this where you die to be wrapped in a shroud and put in a grave and dirt put on top of you and there you go no casket no liners no vaults just put me back in the ground Sounds fine to me. Yeah. I've never, like, wanted a cascade. No. I could not care less. I'm dead. Do what he want. No, no, no. Not my problem anymore when it gets to that point.