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Good afternoon, St. Louis, DG.S. 104-1 FM KMOX. Happy Friday to everybody. Get it right. Get it right. No more Andrew. Well, no, not no more Andrew. I mean, say goodbye. That was, that was. That's pretty definitive. He's gone. No, he's on his way to Vegas, and he'll be on vacation all next week. So we will get by without his crazy stories. Man. Which one of you two is going to start doing stupid stuff? I don't know, man. I don't have any problems like, you know, figuring out how to pee in a cup. I loved yesterday. Raited had the best line of all when she's like, or if you have witnessed someone pouring liquid. Well, you know, it's like, come on, man. He's smarter than that. That's why I feel comfortable making fun of him is because ultimately I know he's smarter than that. That's an interesting take. If I genuinely, well, but he also made the choice, so I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what to say. But also tried multiple weird iterations of said choice. Like, the simplest one is the only one he didn't get. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the basic one. Like, oh, yeah, here's how I do this without making a mess. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Rachel says on National Donut Day, I want to talk about how this show has changed my life. It has changed my life. And it's related to donuts? It is. For a long time, I didn't think I liked jelly donuts. Oh. And I think it was because I tried one as a kid, and I was really sensitive to, like, textures and stuff as a kid. I still am to an extent, but I'm a lot better about it. And I was like, ugh, jelly donuts, gross. But maybe five or six years ago, there was a story about some, like, skinny little woman who ate, like, 12 jelly donuts in two minutes or something. It was crazy. And I think there might have been a viral video to go along with it and we're watching it and, oh, do you think you could do it? Blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think it was Sue who brought in a bunch of jelly donuts so we could just try to finish a certain amount in a certain time. They're so good. They're actually my go-to donut now. Wow. Like if it's a raspberry jelly donut with like a glaze on the whole outside. Yeah. I bought donuts from Snooks today for National Donut Day and brought them into work. And before I put them out at the newsroom, I grabbed that raspberry jelly donut for myself. Yeah. That's the one I wanted more than anything. It's a great divider of people. I'm where you used to be. There are bad ones, though. Like, if you start off with the bad ones, it's like, bleh. But the good ones are so good. How would you describe the bad ones? Probably more like just the jelly you would find in a jar as opposed to something made well. Okay. You know? Like, if it's just smuckers inside a donut, it's probably not going to be that great. Even though smuggers is pretty good on peanut butter. I love jelly. Yeah. I'm a big PBJ guy. You know, butter jelly.

You can't have too much jelly and jelly donut. Like if you bite into it and it comes horking out like, nah. Oh, so it's too much? I see, yeah. Oh, you know what? Why aren't cherry donuts like that? Why do they have only raspberry, strawberry, blueberry, and apple? Dude, cherry donuts. I know. It's like a cherry Danish is already like the elite. So why not inside a donut too? See, this is why this is a good show is because we're always brainstorming and we're thinking of important new things. Yes. Yeah. Someone really should be monitored. I hope someone from Snooks is listening. Maybe you can implement this into the next round of donuts. I have here the top 24 donuts ranked. Let me go through them quick. Let's do it. The number 24 is plain cake. Yeah. Sure. Could it be 25? Really? They're just so dull. I like it with like a nice cup of coffee. Yeah. That's a good breakfast donut. Yeah. And it's really good. Speaking of Intimans the other day, when you get like the variety pack and they have the powdered, the chocolate and the plane, sometimes the plane is like, all right, we'll take the edge off for a second. Yeah. We'll go back to basics. Coconut cake. Shut up. That one should be 27. No one should ever eat that. Lemon jelly, that should be illegal. Yeah, that doesn't sound good, even though I just said I love the jelly donuts. The lemon, I'll pass. Chocolate cake should be way higher. Yeah. That's a classic. Cinnamon bun. Way higher. Strawberry frosted, no thanks. It's pretty good. It's about where it should be, though. Maple glaze, no thanks. Same. Bearclaw. Yeah. Same as the cinnamon bun. Those are good. Powdered, granulated sugar. I like those. Oh, yeah, just the sugar doughnut. Yeah. Powdered sugar, apple cider. Number 12 is my favorite. Oh, the apple cider should be higher. The French crueller. That's my favorite. Yeah. Boston cream, yuck. I don't like the yellow. No. Ew, yellow. I hate that color. Glazed twist. All right. Blueberry cake. One of my favorites. Chinooks does one. And I eat donuts other than Chinook's donuts, but Chinooks does good donuts and they're cheap, so I eat them a lot. They do a glazed blueberry and then there's a cream cheese, like icing on top. Oh, baby. It's good. Crumb cake. Could be number one or two. Yeah, it's pretty good. Donut holes. I mean, that's pretty generic. Apple fritter, not a fan. Oh, those are great. Love them. Raged your raspberry jelly. Yummy. Number three is the old fashion. I like those. What's that? Yeah. They're sort of like a pound cake, kind of cragly and cracky. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, those are good. Rainbow sprinkles, one of my five. And the number one is the classic glaze. Hard to go wrong. That should be number 20. That's what I had today. Dave was snacking on today. Nice. All right. Well, that's the show. I hope everyone enjoyed it. Yep. Why are the donuts on there? They're not the fancy ones. Why can't we have the ones like it's got peanut butter frosting and peanut butter cups and a bunch of other stuff? Those are the good ones. Those fancy-ass ones. Dave, aren't you one of those people who aren't interested in that type of thing? Zero. Oh, no. Give me the one with the cookies on it. Nope. Don't like it. A little butterfinger on there.

Yum, butterfingers. I like donuts. I like butterfingers. I don't like butterfingers on my donuts. I hate stupid donuts where it's like, this is a syracia. I don't want anything that's supposed to be savory. No, thank you. Like, if you're trying that friggin hard, it's a donut. Yeah. It takes real idiot to mess up a donut. Yeah, let it speak for itself. That being said, I really like it when they put cereal on the donuts. Yeah, yeah. That's good, like some cap and crunch. Yeah, oh, cinnamon toast crunch I've had on there. Dave, are you the same way with your ice cream? You don't want stuff in your ice cream? Very limited. Because I want all the stuff in the ice cream. I do. No, no, no. I want all the cookies and the cookie dough and the candies and stuff. Don't like, I especially don't like the cookie dough. Really? And I love cookie dough. I know. That's not cookie dough. Yeah. Oh, it's so good. That's some sort of nylon. No. La la la la. What to talk about. An interesting conversation last night. Someone asked me if I was afraid to die. You know, kind of a classic, you know. A happy hour. Yeah. How was your day? Are you afraid to die? Yeah. I don't know. That's a pretty discomforting question from a delivery dude. And I thought about it. And here's my real answer. I don't want to not exist. But I'm less afraid of being dead than I am of dying. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Because there are a lot of ways to go in there. You never know. Yeah, right, right. You never know. Right. People have gone in some really terrible ways. Yes, yes. I think that's a much more fair way to look at it. Because either way, if being dead is, all right, on to the next thing. Right. Heaven, hell, or whatever. Or it's nothing. All right. Those are all okay, except for the hell one. Yeah, I was going to say, I'm not, I don't want to go to hell. I might take over that place. Hell sounds not so fun. But for the most part, most of the outcomes. Like, yeah, all right. But that process may not be so enjoyable. If you go to hell, everybody's going to leave. Within 10,000 years. You've annoyed them enough to at least go to purgatory. You're like, I can't take this guy anymore. We're promoting you to head demon. You are really good at this. This guy never stops arguing with me. Everyone keeps jumping in the lake of fire just to get away from this guy. All he talks about is OPS. He's like calling God, we need a truce. I can't do this anymore. Can't do it. Can't do it. Yeah, St. Peter's on the phone, like, I don't know. We're pretty full up here. You're going to have to. You're breaking up, St. I'll have to call you back.

I'll do anything, just take him. Okay, I was not raised Catholic, so purgatory is a bit of a... Yeah, it's a weird thing. A gray area for me, which I think it's a gray area in general, right? But do they ever talk about, like, do people get to purgatory and go, hmm, could be worse? And they just hang out there for, like, a long time? I think I would. I think that's kind of the way it's viewed as a neutral, like, waiting room. I've always... It's been explained to me by priests. Yeah. But it's changed. Let's be clear. The way that thing is framed changes. Oh, of course. It's a word of God. Why wouldn't it change? He changes his mind all time. But it's basically an in-between place where if you don't really qualify for heaven, you haven't done the sacraments, you haven't this, you haven't that, but you're not a complete piece of crap. You go to purgatory where it's unpleasant but not torturous. Right. And you kind of learn some lessons. You spend a few thousand years. Then maybe go to heaven. That's as I understand it. All right. It seems like a better deal than going straight to hell. Yeah. I remember the theme, like the big theme. And again, it's been a long time since I was in school. But the thing was it's like this is how you kind of get cleansed and purified. Like it kind of takes away all your terrible stuff. Makes more sense in hell. I mean, yeah, I've always felt like that one was just made up to scare people. Even when I was a kid, I'm like, that doesn't seem like it's very fair. I just noticed I don't have my... The fireplace. Oh. I don't know. Do you know how he's accomplishing that? Is that for like YouTube or something? Yeah, no clue. Yeah, I think so. Okay. Probably. But you don't have any ads. Is Andrew logging into YouTube premium for your fireplace every day? Could be. It's fine with me. That's dedication. Yeah. I don't know. Shoot, you don't really have time to jump into it. Dave's like, I can't do it because I don't have my fireplace. I can't possibly do content if I don't have my cozy fireplace. I don't even feel cozy enough. Welcome back. DGS on Camelwax 121. Camel wax. I don't know why I said it like that. I watch the first five minutes of Meet the Press every Sunday, even though I hate that show, just to hear Kristen Welker say, Meet the Press. Meet the Press. Like, yes. Like, I can't go on with my Sunday without it. Meet the Pras. Got to have the sorority S's in there? Yeah. Yeah. So dumb. And after she says that, you're like, I'm good. 100%. Guaranteed, 100% I'm gone. Like I, it's just a place where people go to lie. Republicans and Democrats, why book anyone on the press? They just lie.

You can ask them the same question three times, and then they always move on. Oh, yeah. So if you tell me, hey, I've got some tough questions for you. But I'm only going to ask you three times. Then I'm going to move on. Like, okay, I can do this. Yeah. This isn't so bad. I can hold out. I've been trying a new thing. I saw something for people who have intrusive thoughts like I do, anxiety, stuff like that. And it said that you should, okay, we get this right. Rather than thinking, I'm upset or I need a break. You should refer to yourself. This sounds so stupid now that I'm saying it out loud. You should refer to yourself in the third person to yourself. Like. You can say it. Talk to yourself. Yeah, like you can say it out loud. Kevin needs a donut. Yes. Dave's really anxious about getting his blood taken tomorrow. Blah, blah, blah. That it somehow separates you just enough to where you don't feel quite as, you know. That makes sense. It does? It does. You don't know because you don't have anxiety. I mean, not generalized. No, definitely not. That could be the meanest thing anyone's ever said to me. No, I mean, everybody has it about specific real things. You know, somebody you love is sick or whatever. I mean, like, that's, of course. But not just out of nowhere. Well, if you do get that, I mean, I get that a lot and working on it every day, but there are like lots of different methods you can try to use. One is called the rain method. And it's like, first big thing for me is I don't like to admit that I'm anxious. Oh. I try to fight it off and power through. Gotcha. It's much better to recognize. That's the R in rain. And then acknowledge it. Be like, okay, I am or accept it. Excuse me. Just be like, this is happening. Investigate, like, ask yourself why. And then N is nurture. So just be nice to yourself. And be like, it's okay. It's not at the end of the world. You'll get through this. Makes sense. We knew that tarps off would go everywhere, and now it's at every major league stadium. Does it bother anyone in any way? Like, hey, that's our thing. Or I'm sure people did it before the guys did it at Bush. I mean, I think there was a place where they did it in April this year, and it wasn't Bush Stadium. Now, it didn't catch on, but, you know, it happened. It's fine. I think it's one of those things where you can still claim ownership of it, of it blowing up. but also like, okay, it's okay for everybody to have fun. It's okay for the Major League Baseball Stadium to be a fun place for people to go. I mean, this is one of those things that Major League Baseball has been dying for, which is for the ballpark atmosphere and energy to be fun. And it's way better when it's like coming from the crowd than coming from the loudspeakers or, you know, something the team has to create. It's cool.

Yeah, it seems a little silly to act like we invented taking our shirts off. We can still brag about it. You know, hey, we did that. You're not allowed to do that. Only we can do that. It's like, I don't think that's true. I think anyone can do that. You never thought of taking your shirt off. Yeah. I mean, it's the modern version of the wave, right? Yeah. It doesn't involve the whole crowd, which the wave did. But, I mean, for a long time, you go to a ball game, and the wave was happening, and it was happening all game long, and it was going to be different. You've seen all the different versions of the wave, right? You have the normal one, and then you have the double going in opposite directions, and then you got a slow one and a fast one, like the upper deck and lower deck going in different directions. They used to go crazy with that. This won't shock you. I'm not a wave guy. No, I get it. I'm not really either, but for a long time, it was a big deal. Oh, I know. I remember being annoyed. Yeah, I mean, I get you, man. I don't need to be like standing up and going, but I get it. You guys seen this story about the CIA guy that stole all the gold bars. Yeah. So they found him with like $2 million in cash, 40 gold bars, a bunch of other stuff. I said this kind of thing before, and I just really feel like I'm right. Hollywood and the government conspired to sell us a bill of goods about how badass we are and about how cool the CIA is and how we know everything. And we just don't. This guy got into the CIA by lying. Oh. Said that he was a Navy pilot. and he wasn't and they didn't check and they didn't check the CIA didn't check and the guy was in this he was in there for years and like everything he told them was a lie so he got in on lies and then he lied while he was there and don't don't you think from movies that you have to take like a lie detector test twice a year and they you know i guess it depends on what your role is i don't know I mean, he had a role where he could steal gold bars. I mean, that's amazing to me that they didn't check the resume. Right? Like, of all the places, you would think that the spy agency would want to know. I thought they had to approach you to enter the CIA. Sounds right. I think it's a little of both. Okay. Those are the cool stories we hear. I mean, they do do that. I mean, like they recruit. Yeah. But I also believe it's like any other government agency, you have to be able to take applications for certain types of positions. Yeah. I don't think they're like open ads for like, hey, want to be a spy. We're looking for a spy. I think they're doing that for people that want to be analysts or want to work in the desks or, you know, whatever. Yeah. We're going to IT. Do you love hoarding gold bars? Come on down. We have the job for you. Do you think you could fool us about your resume? Come on in. I mean, that does seem crazy. It does seem like at the very least, they would speak to your superior in the military. Yeah. Yeah. What's this person like? This guy, an ass kicker. Is he lazy? You would want to talk to a lot of, quote, previous employers, right? Yeah. We're back. DG. Ass on Camelwax 133. She was terminally.

Rachel, on the show sheet, you have, what did we do as humans before we worked? I like that. Yeah, I thought this was really interesting, posing the question, what did ancient humans do all day before work was invented? So, you know, you have this idea of Fred Flintstone getting in his little car and trotting down the street. Yeah, but I don't think he did that. And then I think we have this misconception, or I did anyway, that it was just all survival all day long. You're either gathering all day, you're hunting all day, and then you're eating something by the fire and passing out due to exhaustion. But a lot of, like, experts say this is actually not true. Survival didn't take up nearly as much time as we might think. I've heard that as well. anthropologists have studied pre-agricultural peoples across different continents and the general consensus consensus is that basic survival activities took between 15 and 20 hours per week that's a part-time job I mean, we're working 40 hours a week. Most people are 40 plus 15 and 20 hours per week spent doing those basic survival activities. So the rest of the time, we were just doing. Free time. Yeah, free time. Fun time. Not if you had kids. You imagine wrangling kids at that time? No toys, no screens. Just. Well, Cybertoothed, Sabertooth, Tigers, Giant Sloths. No, that's it. That is fascinating. Because it makes sense. Because a lot of the stuff would be like big projects, right? Okay, we have to build shelters. Well, once that's built, that doesn't need to be done again for a while, you know? I saw a thing last night. I got... hooked on a couple of TikTok deals, and it was ironically sort of about this, about ancient man. And they said, now, look, no one can say... one way or the other, whether some guy named Blowbore put two sticks together and created fire. But none of the scientists believe that. Like, that's the way we think about it, like when we invented fire. And they said what almost certainly happened was that wildfires would spread or lightning strikes and that we learned to pick up, you know, burning embers and make them our fires. But it probably took a really long time before we figured out how to do it from scratch. It could have been by accident. I mean, think about the things that could do that. You're sharpening a stone.

and you're starting to, you know, doing the click, click, click, and a spark flies and some grass catches fire. Like, oh, look at this. I got to believe a lot of stuff was found by accident like that. Yeah. Well, a lot of time was actually, it turns out was actually spent being creative. So, like, making beads and things out of seashells and such, and then painting. And this article I'm looking at here talks about the Chavez Cave in France. This was discovered in 1994. I had never seen images of this before. This is so beautiful. Just like walls of this cave covered in actual artwork, not crude stick figures or whatever, but art that takes time and takes skill and takes finesse. And these were ancient humans just spending their time, hey, I'm done surviving for the day. I'm going to go make some art in my cave. We've always wanted our distraction and our creativity, I guess. Yeah, I mean... Makes sense. It does make sense that they were like kind of searching for something to channel their energy into. Painting in caves. Yeah, what are you supposed to do? Just sit and stare at the fire. And I like doing that. Don't get me wrong. But sometimes you probably have a itch to go make something. Go make something cool. Yeah. Be fascinating to see. Have a... Way back machine. I know. It's one of those things where it's, it kind of makes you a little sad, doesn't it? Because there's no way we'll ever actually know exactly what was going on. We can always just take our best guess. Yeah. It's not like we're going to find a film reel. Bringing up to the current time, look, if you just tuned in the show for the first time in the past couple weeks. You probably think we're like a tech show because we've talked so much about AI, and we're not. But it's just been in the news, and it happens to sort of fascinate me. But have you guys seen the thing from the guy from Anthropic? Coming out and asking for a global pause on AI development. Yes. He seems like the one who has the most sense out of all of them. And he's saying like, look, we're getting to places years faster than we thought we would. And he said we could have recursive, what's it called? Recursive self-something. within a year. And that's when AI can write its own code to repair itself or to improve itself. And I don't understand it, but that's a hallmark of like, ooh, this is getting a little bit scary because it can box us out. And he said, like, there's no one running the show. There are just no rules. And that everyone in the world needs the pinky lock and say, we're going to take a break. But he said, of course, you have bad actors out there who will never agree or they'll agree and they'll continue. That's right. So we're kind of in a trick box. Yep. Yeah, the only thing, the only reason I'm not completely freaking out because of this story is some people believe that this is maybe a bit of a publicity stunt from Anthropic.

Not to like talk bad about them because I don't really know much about the company. And I don't, I can't really speak to the people involved. But some believe this is just a way to be like, look at us. We're making these godlike devices. Isn't this crazy? And it'll just kind of drive the appetite for AI even more. Yeah. I know the least in the room about what this means. But for the first time, which they didn't expect until 2028. But it's already happened that there are more bots using the Internet than humans. Oh. Yes. It feels so obvious when you see it. Like when you're not on Twitter, but when you're on Twitter, it feels like you feel like you're not running into, even though you are running into a lot of humans, when you're starting to read comments and everything, you're like, that's almost the exact same word for word thing that I saw on another thread just a minute ago. Yeah. Yeah, I guess I just don't have a sense of it because I'm not there much at all. Well, and the problem is that the incentives, as I'm aware of them now, don't really penalize you if the interactions you have are amplified by bots. Yeah. Makes sense. You're just kind of fooling each other. Sure seems like an easy way for tech companies to make ad revenue. Yeah. Even if they're not doing it, just not policing it can lead to a similar outcome. Yeah. A couple Trump things. I was fascinated by his sort of fifth grader social studies project thing he did yesterday with the pool and the skyscrapers. Did you see this, rage? Not the skyscrapers. You know how he loves like his little poster boards. And he has one that has the reflecting pool, which he didn't build. It's been there for a very long time compared to skyscrapers. And it literally says, Pool is bigger than skyscrapers. And it's like, who cares? Why does that matter? What do you mean? It's also not some kind of like genius of architecture or engineering. It's a hole in the ground. Yeah. Like it's just a bigger version of the pool that's in somebody's backyard. It's really cool. It's cool looking. It's symbolic. It's all of those meaningful things. But it's not like building a skyscraper. Right. He's just so obsessed with no one's ever seen anything like it. No one's ever seen something this big or tall or fat or skinny. And it's like, dude, it's, you didn't do it. And also, I could be completely wrong about this, but we've been hearing about American flag blue now for weeks, and they just started putting water back in it, and it looks black as cold to me. So I don't know where the American flag blue comes in. I'm not looking forward to it if it is, because I don't, I think that's tacky. But anyway. But the whole point of that pool is that it's the reflecting pool. So the darker the color of the pool, the less reflective it's going to be. The darker the color of the water. Right? I think the opposite. No, I think the criticism that I heard of the dying of the water is that it will make it less reflective, which is the entire point of the pool. Yes. It's called the reflecting pool. Yeah, the darker, the more reflective it is. Oh, no, I think I thought it was the opposite. Maybe I got it wrong. Yeah, because.

If it's like a blue, then you'll be able to see to the bottom as opposed to just seeing the reflections. But then again, I mean, who knows? I don't know. Either way. And he has a new project. It's called the Promenade. And I had the sound, but it's like, whatever. You can seek it out if you want to. But he's going to change the Lincoln Memorial. And he was like, I just, God. I should have got the sound. He's like, they want to call it the Trump promenade? I don't know. They? Yeah, they. Who the hell is they? It's like they. They're wanting to name it after me again. You could just say I want to. I don't know. I mean, probably staffers would be the they, right? Like people that are working around the White House are probably saying, you know what you should do, sir? It could be the janitor. I mean, it could be anybody. Well, he does seem awfully easy to work for. Because all you have to do is be like, yeah, just be like, I think we should call it the Trump promenade. You know what this song reminds me of? Eagles. When I was in seventh grade. We, you know, junior high, and I've said this before, we had a giant lunchroom that we shared with the high school. And we had the North Line and the South Line, and the North Line was like healthy food, and the South Line every day had burgers and pizza. And it was the one that had the longest line. Yes. And I was just like, oh my God, I'm like a grown-up. This is amazing. And then they put in a jukebox, and that song would play all the time. And it just takes me back to that nervous stomach. I'm not sure what table this said at. Oh, this seat's taken. Sorry, sir. You know, that kind of stuff. Oh, you didn't have like a go-to table? No. Oh, that's terrible. No, it was all Wild West. Really? We just sat in the same spot. I don't think we had a whole lot of choice, but we had a really small school. Same. So then you just kind of go like, your whole class just sat at two tables is what it was. Yeah, no, we were 200 in every class, in every graduating class. Pretty good size. Yeah. Steve Miller Band always makes me think of being in the way back seat in our station wagon on the drive from Michigan to Florida. Best seat ever. It is pretty great. Yeah. The one's looking behind you? I was usually like in one little sliver of it because there's luggage everywhere. Yeah. I always got stuck with the hump. Oh, yeah? The middle of the back seat. Like when anyone else was with us. Yeah, I always tried to climb back there because my brother and I had to share the back seat. And then I was like, I'm just going back here. Have either of you guys ever had a truck that had, like it technically had a back seat, but it was just like a little chair that pulled out. You know what I'm talking about? A little jump seat. Yeah. I used to sit.

this was not easy to do, but when I was little, we would sit in this little back cutout area of my dad's Corvette. You could barely fit in there. Like, it wasn't meant for that. It was meant for you like, here, I could put something here. It's not meant for a person, but one of us would kind of sneak back there to fit in. We're talking about ancient man. I saw another thing last night about specifically Neanderthals. Yes, I know it's Neanderthal. And really, there's so much more interesting than we ever imagined. First of all, they were about 5 foot 4. About 200 to 240 pounds. That's stout. The tanks. Almost no fat. Super, super crazy muscled. Could run really fast, could jump really far. They think that what we know about their bodies and the things that we found, that the only way they hunted was like close enough to stab. They weren't big on throwing spears or projectiles. They would just stealthily walk up on an animal and friggin fight it. Crazy. And beat it. But they said that there may not have been a single Neanderthal who was ever in a group of Neanderthals with more than 30 people. Like they just never saw crowds bigger than that. Oh. Yeah, isn't that interesting? So they stayed in small little girls. Yeah, they just didn't even have a concept of... Maybe that's why we outlasted them. Could be. Or one of the reasons. Plus, we're really mean. Another thing that I thought was fascinating is that their eyes were almost nothing like ours. They were much bigger. They had much bigger optical nerves. And they said that... If we could look through a visor and see what they saw, we'd be blown away. Really? And they said that they were so attuned visually that they could see a twig moving at 200 meters. Oh. Yeah. Cool. I guess you have to be, right? Yeah. I mean, we think about how the modern hunters are, the cats, the big cats, the eagles, you know, like the animals that hunt. Well, these guys were hunters. That's what they were. Yeah. So you had to evolve to be able to see. Mm-hmm. Pretty badass. Surprise they didn't last. Although we all have a little bit in Neanderthal, right? 2%, except for sub-Saharan Africans. Okay. Yeah, but everyone else has between 2 and 5%. I'm going to say you're around 4. I was going to say I'm probably in the 4 or 5 range. Short, almost as wide as tall. Yeah. A little SpongeBob build. Yeah, you could have just cozy it up next to the fire. Like, hey, you Ned's cousin? Yeah. That's me. I'm sorry, did you say if they had language? I assume they did. We don't know that for sure, but they're almost positive that they had the ability to make sounds. And they believe that they had some sort of rudimentary language. Okay. They would have to have some form of communication. It wouldn't have been. They never found anything written before or what. What was the earliest written? It's a great question. I'm sure it's Babylonia, probably. Probably the Sumerians. Something like that. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I was so, I loved the Sumerians.

learning about them in school. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then they would have the, like, the seals and the stamps made out of clay. Wow. Look at that. It is the Samarians. Yeah. First Britain language we've ever discovered. Look at us. Were you with us when we went to the library? Or was that the Trish era? Yeah. They took us back to this Holy of Holies. Oh, yeah. And they had all this stuff. And they had one of those little cuneiform clay things. A little, uh... I don't know, squares. Yeah. But the size of a pack of cigarettes. That's pretty cool. Thousands of years old. Yeah. I swiped it. Nice. Welcome back, guys, DGS. Happy Friday. A few minutes past 2 p.m. Sue at 2. Sue Thomas is here from down the hall. How are you? Is this the thing where I can't hear myself, but you can? Oh, man. Yeah, we hear you. We can hear you. Hold on. Going over here. Hi. Got it? Yep. Okay. Now we're back. We were just sort of commiserating. Some people will be super excited. Some people won't give a rat's ass. I don't like that the Chicago Bears are moving to Indiana. I hate it. Is it going to happen? It took a big step today. The Bears Board of Directors voted to proceed with the plan in Hammond, Indiana, and the governor of Indiana welcomed them to the state today, you know, like on Twitter. Wait, who owns Hallis? It's the H family, right? Well, it's the McCaskey family, but Virginia McCasky is George Hallis's daughter. Oh, thank you. So originally the Hallis family, and now it's the McCasky family, yeah. And wait a minute, who's the Board of Directors of... They're all McCaskies. I guarantee it. I guarantee it. I haven't looked, but I'm going to Google it. Now we're talking. I bet you at least half are family members. Oh, go ahead, too. No, I was going to say, why, is it more money for them? Why would they want to leave Chicago? Because the state of Illinois and the city of Chicago aren't going to give them the hundreds of millions of dollars that they want in Indiana will. Same reason the chiefs are leaving Missouri to go to Kansas. It's the exact same thing. And it's about the same geographic distance. Like, it'll be an inconvenience for fans depending on which side of the city that you live on. Right. But in the end, you know, it's not like Rams fans losing their team to California, right? You can still go to the games. Bless you. Is this a dumb question, probably? Why is it that the NFL, I guess because cities will just give you the money. Yes. But, I mean, the NFL is rolling in money. Yes. So they're just going to, okay, well, now we're going to have teams in Indiana and for Chicago. I hate it. Yeah, if you want to know, um, What the NFL is, it might as well be a tech company because the only thing that matters is more. They don't care about how. They care about more, even though that league is by far the most profitable sports league on the planet. They generate the most revenue. Owners get to keep the most money because they make so much, right? I mean, they get the same percentage. Owners and players get the same percentage as split as it would in the NBA. But because the NFL makes so much more money than everybody.

owners there's no there nobody loses money in the NFL it's impossible you can't okay was the mandate then you have to have a new updated place i mean does that come from the NFL where does that come from your stadium has to be oh no they just no they just want it because because it's they'll make more money that way So a newer stadium means bigger suites, better suites, more money for the high-end tickets and the high-end stuff, and probably fewer low-cost tickets. So you're going to make more money per game. You can have obviously other events there, too. You know, in the off season or in off weeks, you can play other things there. But, yeah, it's entirely all about money. The stadiums that these teams play in, they may not be pretty if they're older. And Soldier Field has been around for a while. I know they put the spaceship on top of it, you know, 20 years ago, whatever. It looks ridiculous. But, yeah, it's old. So they want new and they want new money and they don't want to put their own money out there to do it. Why does the NFL make so much more money than, say, the Cardinals, when we have 80 home games and they have eight? TV. It's entirely TV contracts. The TV contracts are so big because the ratings... We do it every year. Every year, when you look at the top 100 rated TV shows in the country, 95 are NFL games. I mean, NFL dominates TV. No, it does. And it makes a lot of revenue that way because their TV deals are big. Their corporate partnerships are super lucrative. And the reason for all of that... is that football is easy to follow because it's one game a week. You don't have to watch every day. You can one game a week, it's almost always 90% of the time. It's on a weekend when you're not working. People gamble on it very easily. So the gambling adds into a lot of the popularity of the sport. And like practically speaking, it works great on TV. The action works great on TV because it's short little bits of action. And during the downtime, you look at replays. And it makes it feel like something's constantly happening. And it looks better and better every year. They get better shots. They've got that HD stuff going on. Wait, so if they do go to Indiana, where would it be in Indiana? Hammond, Indiana. So Northwest Indiana. It would be barely across the border. And they still call it the Chicago Bears. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, they're going to call them the Kansas City Chiefs. And they call the New York Giants and New York Jets playing in New Jersey. I mean, and that's been the case for 30 plus years. Oh, maybe that's the thing they're going by. Yeah. I would be really curious to hear from like some loyal season ticket holders. Yeah. Of the Chicago. But let's say you live in downtown Chicago. Yeah. And you went from. It takes me 15 minutes to get to the game. Now it's going to take me an hour and I have to cross state lines. That's such a slap in the face. Because a lot of times it's the same people buying those tickets year after year. And it's like, yeah, your loyalty actually means nothing. No, they don't care because if those people drop them, somebody else takes them.

You're right. Yeah. It's the way of that sport in particular can do whatever it wants because it's got the most hardcore fans because they have the most revenue to work with. So even if they make people mad in the short term in 10 years and they're not going to care. I'm sorry if we've covered this, but they would keep calling them the Chicago. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's, I mean, the Kansas City Chiefs are going to play in Kansas now. They're not playing in Kansas City. At least the word Kansas is in there somewhere. Exactly. I get that. There's nothing Chicago about that. New York Giants, New York Jets are playing in Jersey. San Francisco 49ers don't play in San Francisco. They play in Santa Clara, California. Not even the same place. If I understand it right, it's like 35 minutes away. So why do they keep, they just keep the name to keep riding on nostalgia? That's so stupid. Yeah, I don't like it. You should at least have to take the hit of, yeah, we had to do a bit of a rebrand. You should at least have to take that hit. We're the Hammond, Indiana Bears. I think that's how we should refer to them on social media from now on. You're the Hammond Bears. Wow. Sweetness. You're now the Kansas Chiefs. All right. I didn't realize that was happening so much everywhere else. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm curious to get Chris Ranji's take on this. Major bear's fan. I'm sure he'll hate it because he's like most of us who understand this issue. And that is, it's a scam. Yeah. Why should you as a wealthy business owner get taxpayer money? Yes. Finance it yourself. You guys make hundreds of millions of dollars a year. The revenue you make in a decade would pay for your stadium. What is the justification for them receiving taxpayer money? Like, how do people explain it? Well, they're going to, here's how they sell it. Local economy. They sell it as well. The construction is going to be a lot of jobs for a few years. So there's a big benefit. Right, right, right? And then it is jobs, right? You have to have stadium employees. You have to have that. The team play, every team, wherever you play. every player home and away is taxed by that city for that game. So when the Rams were here, the Rams would come to St. Louis, the 49ers would come in. Both players on both sides, their game checks are taxed by the city. What a bunch of crap. So there's all of this stuff going on that's all a part of all of this. I mean, I don't feel bad. Players are rich, but... I mean, we pay a tax to work in the city. Wrong is wrong. Yeah. You know. So Indiana will have technically two teams or at least two stadiums. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to have the Indianapolis Colts and they're going to have the Hammond Bears. Okay. Which is kind of hilarious, right? Like, Chicago has no teams. So dumb. The state of Indiana has two. Yep. With no population to compare. Weird. Well, I mean. So it's always the money grab. And what was the meeting today? Okay, we're going to move forward. What's next? The Bears voted to proceed with the plan in Hammond. And assuming the money comes through, then that's the way that they plan on going. And by the way, I looked up the... How much? I looked at the Bears board of directors. So the president of the team is a guy named Kevin Warren. He's on the board. And then it's George McCasky, Patrick McCasky, Brian McCasky, Edward McCasky, Ed McCasky Jr. and a guy named Pat Ryan.

Could be McCasky. Yeah, yeah. You think they have full control of the board of directors? You look at almost any sports team, it's a lot like that. You look at the board of directors. It's all family members of ownership. And I think it's probably that way in a lot of businesses, too. Sure. Okay, one more question. I get that you want a new stadium because you want to be able to compete with the other new stadiums. But is there anything about Soldier Field that makes it, like, we can't play here. It's unsafe to play here. No, not unsafe, not unprofitable. It's not as profitable. And look. That is an area that can be tough, right? Parking's not easy there and it's expensive in downtown Chicago. You know, you've got McCormick Place right there, and that's where you can park a lot of the time, but it's not a simple. It's not like literally right next door. There's a bit of a distance to walk. There are things about that area that aren't great. It's not like you're right connected to some of the best social areas in Chicago because that stadium's further south towards McCormick, place where the good stuff is more downtown and in the loop. But it's in Chicago. What they're going to do, what they want to do is take Hammond, Indiana and build the stadium and then build up all the stuff around it. Residences, hotels, restaurants, businesses, they want to do that. That's what's happening in Kansas too. It's what's happening with the Chief. Same thing. Because they want to make these places, places where people want to live, places where people are going to then become a permanent tax base, which is what their draw is. I know you're not a business guy. But if you could have advised Mike Kehoe or whoever in Chicago was making the decisions, would you have advised them, just do what you had need to do to keep them? No. No, big cities have lots of bills to pay. You know, I mean, like, Chicago's got a lot of things to cover. Kansas City's got a lot of things to cover. Why should the taxpayers have to pay for a rich team owner to get richer? I mean, I wouldn't do that. There's, the research that's been done on publicly funded stadiums is that the public funding always ends up on the downside. You always lose. There's the upside they sell you on doesn't, is not going to match what it's going to cost you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, see, I mean, like, it's a good example. That's a good example in that. If you want to have a convention. Yeah. that features weird liminal lighting. If you want to do like a backroom's live, you can only go to the Jay Jones. I would tell you this. I would be more likely to counsel. I would be more likely to counsel somebody in positions of power to do it for a baseball team. because that's 81 days a year that I have people coming to my city spending money. In football, you have 17 weeks, and it's one game a week. So you don't have like six days of games every other week like you do in baseball. Do you think that if the Cardinals were ever... But even there, it's not going to be a great deal. To move Bush Stadium from where it is to the Chesterfield Valley or Sojay or, you know, something similar. Do you feel like Cardinals fans would eventually be like, hey,

Rock on. It's a lot safer. Eventually, people always adapt. Short-term people would be enraged. Yeah. Well, it would be the end of this city. Period. It would be the end. I think that's part of it. And I wouldn't say it just for this city. I do think that's even true of baseball teams in the bigger cities, too, is the constant presence of, let's just call it, 20,000 people coming in 81 times a year. And then you can also book the stadium for other things like concerts and things like that. Where a football stadium, how many concerts can you put in there? to make up for the fact that you're only going to have nine or ten home games a year for a football team. So what's dying then is like the Pittsburgh where you can go to both downtown. You can see the Steelers over here. You can watch the pirates over here. It's not dying, but in some places it's going away. That's how it was in Kansas City. Yeah. You know, an exact opposite example in recent years, it's part of the reason why downtown Detroit has gone bigger and gotten better. is they pulled all the teams back. So the Pistons used to play in Auburn Hills, which was 40 minutes away. The Lions used to play in Pontiac, which is 35 minutes away. They're bringing them all. And now all of them play right there on the same block. They're all like right downtown. That's how it should be. And there's a casino and the Fox Theater and all and restaurant districts and all that stuff. And it's how it's kind of like, now you have a year-round draw, but they also have four teams. This is just great. Now I'm all ramped up about something I really don't care at all about. I've been to exactly one Chicago game in my whole life. I'll probably never go again. Oh, but I'm so mad. Come back DGS and KMOX. Happy Friday. Which would be worse? Learning that your child is being bullied or that your child is a bully. The first one is worse to me. Because I can Because I can Because I can easily correct my kid If he's the bully Or she's the bully I can control that But I can't undo The fear The damage that's been done By the bully if my kid's been bullied What in general would be your approach to your bully kid? If my kid was Pretty hardcore to be honest with you Like, first of all, you're going to be clear that you are not doing this anymore. I'm in charge. You're not in charge. And everything you like is now mine until you change your behavior. And if I hear this again, we're going to make it worse. Because you will hate the punishment from me more than you like being a bully. Good. I mean, it... And it wouldn't be, you also have to do the thing where you have to like, also like talk to your child, right? You have to explain things to them. You have to, you know, like, you should be doing those things even if they're not the bully because then they won't become that. But if they are, it's more than just laying down the law. But the number one thing is laying down the law and making sure that the punishments are something that they don't like. Maybe I'm being way too judgmental and parents I've never met. But I kind of doubt that.

kids who are really bullies have the greatest parents. It typically seems to be it's kind of passed down from the parents. Probably in a lot. I don't know what the percentage is, but I would bet a lot. Or it's a parent that maybe sometimes just gives in to their kid. Like they wouldn't believe it if somebody told him. Like your kid's the bully. No, he's not. No, he's not. I can see that too. Yeah. I think there's a mix of those things. But, I mean, it comes from somewhere, right? Like, It comes from somewhere if you're constantly bullying people or even constantly bullying just one person. It comes from somewhere. Were you guys bullied? I wouldn't say that, no. I had one kid. I don't know. You could call him a short-term tormentor. Because there was a kid that lived behind my house in the first house where we lived. And he was... two or three years older and he was the mean kid that everybody avoid like he was mean and he had older brothers which is why everybody was scared of him because his older brothers absolutely would kick your ass if you did anything to him um but it wasn't like it was like a couple times a year that you'd run into him it wasn't like every day it wasn't like i'm gonna come get you it wasn't that but It was enough to be like, hey, there's Larry. We're going the other direction. Wasn't like a crystal story in the alley. It's hard to find that direction in South Roxanne. But I'll tell you that. Everywhere you go, there's a bullying. Larry learned a lesson when we got to be teenagers. Yeah? He did. He tried to run his stuff and he ended up hurt. That's probably the last actual real fight I was in. Like real, real. Like, you know, college was more like breaking them up. Let's get you in one today. Yeah, let's go. Oh, my gosh. What is happening? Oh, although I might be interesting. We'll just go outside and be like, hey, anybody down here trying to run their stuff? No, I don't want to be doing any of that. Let's take this down in 97-1. Hey, Bottomer, I heard what you said about me. I'll be standing out of the studio. Is there no one else? Is there no one else? Wiggins, not you? Reardon? No, if Wiggins got a hold of you, he'd beat you up like the kid on Christmas story. Seriously? He'd be crying. He'd be saying, gosh darn it.

Yeah. It's funny. Yeah, I guess would I end up being Scott Farkas in that one? You're Scott Farkas and everyone. I mean, I need a toady. I need that little guy to follow me around. Yeah, you do. Like, yeah, yeah, what he said. Oh, maybe Ben Boyd will do that. Oh, that's perfect. Call him. Let me see. I'm going to text him. I'm going to say, Ben, will you be my toadie? Kind of harsh? I bet he says yes. Let's see what we got. We have Bernie Miklis coming up in the next segment. We'll see what his views on the Bears moving to Hammond are. What's your prediction? What do you think Bernie will say? I don't know. I could see him going either way. I'll say this. You know, Bernie grew up in Baltimore. And the Colts left. Yeah, they did. To go to Indiana. Oh. I think I see where this is going. Now, again, totally different leaving a market for another geographic region than going 20 or 30 minutes away. But still. Bertie can fight Mark Cox. Welcome back, guys. TGS and KMOX. We have Sue Thomas with this. We have Bernie Miklis with this. Hello, Byrne. What's going on, everyone? We're all taking bets on what your response and attitude is going to be toward the Bears moving to Hammond. Oh, man. I think it's ridiculous. I mean, the Bears shouldn't be in Hammond, Indiana. I also know, pragmatically speaking, it's just a short hop from Chicago. It's not like they move. They moved over three states or something. But it's, I don't know, it just doesn't feel right. It doesn't look right. But when they start playing there, the new, the new place is open and everyone's happy and maybe the tailgating is better and all that. It'll become normalized and people won't freak out about it. Just like just what happened. When the Jets moved out at Shea Stadium and the Giants moved out of Yankee Stadium and they both went to New Jersey and they're both still called New York Giants, New York Jets, but they play in Jersey. They don't play in New York. Same type of thing. Yeah. That's pretty much what we all kind of agreed on. It's stupid. It's greed. It's what it really is. But in the end, 20 years from now, Bears fans will be fine. Yeah. I don't think anyone will care after. even after five, maybe five, six years. One more weird football question before we turn to the Cardinals. I don't know if you guys heard this story, but Nicole Brown Simpson's sister, Tanya, has asked the NFL to retire OJ Simpson's number 32 across the board so that no player could ever wear it again. Wow. Well, that's not meant in a way to honor him, correct? Right. But see, that's why I think it's kind of a bad idea because we do that for great players. We don't do that to make sure that, you know. And I really doubt. Yeah.

Many people since the murders have seen someone wearing 32 and thought, how dare you? Yeah, he's not giving him a little too much power. I think so. Yeah. I, you know, I totally agree with you guys. I mean, the way you laid it out there pretty brilliantly. Exactly. I mean, I was in a lot of NFL stadiums since that there's tragic, tragic murders. I mean, I was in NFL stadiums for the next. I don't know, the next 22 years. I never once thought like, oh, is anybody on this team got number 32? You know. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, I mean, all due respect to the Brown family, it's kind of silly. It really is. So let's talk Cardinals. Here is a take I have as the guy in the bleachers. I think it's about to get really interesting for people like us. You guys that talk about it and understand it for a living and guys like me who like to listen to you guys. With Newt Bar coming back, that's really going to shake up the outfield. With crooks being up, they're going to have to make some decisions. I feel like the month of June, you know, maybe into July, that... the team could look really different by July 4th. Yeah, and we've talked about this a lot. You know, one through four in the lineup, the Cardinals have had their top four hitters in lineup are as good as any top four in the majors. I mean, that's a fact. But the 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 lineup spots have been abysmal, absolutely abysmal. In fact, in the month of May, there are 5, 6, 7, 8 lineup spots. were like 44% below the league average offensively. I mean, that's just almost like you laugh at it because you couldn't think it'd be that bad, but it was really that bad. So with Newt Bar coming in and Crooks, I assume Ali Marmal is going to play him as much as he indicates to us he's going to play him. You know, all of a sudden you got two good left-handed bats in the lineup that can lengthen your lineup. You know, you put, I don't know where he's going to put new bar. You bet him fifth or six. You bet Crook's seventh. You get Nathan Church back soon. Nathan Church is much better. He's a work in progress as a rookie hitter. But in terms of like, you know, weighted runs creative plus, he is a substantial improvement over Victor Scott. So all of a sudden you got something going there. You've got an upgrade. You've got guys who are better hitters occupying most of those spots. And you can't rule out Mason win hitting better. And I also think if he moves, if he drops Nolan Gorman down in the lineup where he get him out of the five hole, maybe he bats seventh or eighth. I think that takes some heat off of him and that could maybe stoke some improvement. Now, it's just a much better look now. Yeah. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, we were talking about this couple of nights ago, Byrne, Matt Polly and I, and if you look at, let's just say the guys that are getting the opportunities. Let's just say Newt and Crooks and then eventually Nathan Church, if those three guys are all, let's just say they're average players. Well, you've now gone from wildly below average in three spots to average. That's a big upgrade.

Just to be a normal. And again, there's a really good argument that any of them could be better than average moving forward. I mean, I think the idea would be if Newt's healthy, he's always been an above average player when he's been healthy. And Church, I'm sorry, Crooks has shown the ability to provide some left-handed power. I mean, you could get more than just average production from those spots. I have a question. You know, When, when Lars, I threw out Lars Neutbar's offensive numbers last year because he was playing in a great deal of pain. So it's just not, you know. Right. But let me be numbers nerd just real quick, Dave. Yeah. From, from 2022 through 2024, in terms of Lars Neutbar's overall, you know, offensive performance, okay? 22 through 24. He, that's three seasons, among players that had at least a thousand at bats or played appearances over those three years, Lars Neupar was in the 74th percentile. And what that means was he was better than 74% of all the other hitters in the major leagues. And yet, I've been getting grief for writing and talking about how, boy, this will be good to get him back. Oh, yeah, I'm tired of the media talking about him like he's a good hitter. He ain't no good. He's only better than 74% of the Major League hitters. But yeah, other than that, great point. Outstanding. Yeah. Anyway. To continue the before Dave's question, to continue the other point is the way that this lineup can continue to get better, too, with Arias coming back soon, he's a guy that should play against lefties, which makes you more dangerous against lefties. And Velazquez can bring you some of that danger against lefties as well. So you actually have a really good chance with the roster moves and the return of Newt and eventually the return of church and Arias to have a more consistent bottom half of the order if you're, especially if you're, because Bernie, you and I have both argued against in the past platooning Nolan Gorman. But if he's not hitting righties, well, I'm not worried about his opportunities. Somebody else is going to get to play. I agree. And, you know, I think it's been well determined. It's not going to be Blaise Jim Jordan. I did a piece about this this morning explaining why he's going to be in the minor leagues for a while. So everyone was writing out the fantasy lineups and he had Blaise Jim Jordan there. It's not going to be him at third base. He can't play third base very well at all. He'd be a defensive liability. I mean, I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just trying to be real. The Cardinals have moved them off of third base. And there's a reason they did that. You know, they wouldn't move them off the third base if he played it well. So anyway, yeah, Urius might be the guy. I got to be honest, though, I'm not entirely sold on him. I'm going to have to see it. No, I'm with you. I like him against lefties. I don't want to see him against the right-handed pitcher ever. I don't think that's productive. No, I agree, but even against lefties, I mean, I'm just going to have to see more. Yeah, that's fair. But the potential's there, for sure. The potential's there. Okay, they taught me at Washoe not to ask two questions at once, but I'm going to break that rule. Two-part question. I just saw today that Victor Scott II.

ranked 219 out of 222 qualified hitters in OPS Plus. I'm an athlete. I know you go up and down, but at what you guys have seen from him so far in his big league career, what confidence at all do you have that he could even creep up to league average? And my second part of my question is, in making these decisions, do front offices in general and the Cardinals in particular, how much does emotion come into it? We love this kid. The fans love this guy. Well, I'm embarrassed to say, although it's not my fault. I cut out there for a minute. I didn't even hear the player the player's name. Victor Scott. Victor. Oh, Victor Scott. Going for, he's 219 out of 222 hitters. And I'm just wondering, realistically, how often a ball player comes back from that. It's not going to happen. It just simply isn't going to happen. Everything in his advanced metrics profile is really, really, really, really bad. In other words, there's not one thing you can point at and say, oh, okay, there's a reason why he's going to get better. There's nothing there. His performance, even from last year, and let's face it, his last year he wasn't good as a hitter, but his offensive performance from last year, his batting run value has dropped dramatically from last year. And I'll throw this in. I had this earlier this week. I wish it would have gotten more attention. Since last year, if you take his batting, his offensive performance, and you take his defensive performance, and you take his base running performance, since. Last year, compared to last year, now you're into this year, Victor Scott has lost 44% of his performance value from last year. So. Tell me where the yellow brick road is for that to get back from that. Yeah. The only way to get back from that is through an off season of extensive rebuilding your swing and changing. You're not going to do it in season. And even the off season, right, we talk about Jim Jordan Walker's turnaround, but Jim Jordan Walker always had one of the most important things a hitter can have, which is elite bat speed. If you have that, you have so much. It's like a pitcher who throws 100. You always have the room for error. You have a little bit extra. Well, Victor Scott has bat speed that's probably comparable to a lot of 45-year-old retired Major League players. He does not have bat speed and he doesn't hit strikes. So it's a hard thing to fix. There's just there's just not much there. And early in the season, they were able to take some. teams by surprise by having you know he would bunt for hits and even even he was really good at sacrifice bunts but i tell you what you know if you know the other side gets paid for using their brains and they're like well wait a minute yeah wait a minute they don't think this guy can even hit you know hit a line drive so what you know we're going to we're going to take those bunts away we're going to defend those bunts because

they don't think he can hit. So this makes it easier for us to defend them in terms of the bunt, you know? And I just, you know, he's had three sacrifice bunt since the start of May. Oh, geez. So that, even that part of the game's dried up. Last year, Dave and Kevin and Rachel and Sue, last year, he attempted 38 steals and he got thrown out four times, right? Right. This year, well, let me finish. This year he's attempted 19 steals and he's already been thrown out twice as many times as he was all last year. Wow. So on the second half of my question, does it happen all the time that teams just hold on to players way too long out of loyalty or affection or is that just not a thing? It's a cold-hearted business. Uh, it's, it's got to be a cold heart of business. I mean, if you really believe a guy's got potential, but then, you know, you go along and go along and go along and go along and nothing's happening. In fact, he gets not only worse, but he gets much worse. And you look at the metrics. There's so much information there that can tell you what you need to know. You don't even see his name. You just look at the graph, the graph, uh, the graph meters and all that stuff. You know, you're like, well, wait a minute. Uh, no, this, this is, um, This can't, there's no, there's no means of a revival. Yeah. Because he's just never going to be able to put together a swing or hit the ball hard enough to, to, to be an average, average hitter. And then. you know, there was some value in his defense and base running, but that's really, really plummeted, you know? And I, listen, man, I don't like talking like this, but, you know, I deal with the facts and the data and all that stuff. And so that's what I base it on. I mean, Victor Scott's a really good dude. He's a great dude. But that's also irrelevant. I'm sorry. It is. Completely agree. And look, Michael Ciani. in 2024 for the Cardinals, as much as we complained, his numbers then were significantly better than Scott's numbers are now. And keep in mind that Siani has now had 17 total at-bats in the major leagues for the last two years. Wow. So in 2025, he had 17 at-bats, and this year he has not been in the big leagues for an at-bat. And that's the level of production we're talking about. And again, he's actually better in 2024 for the Cardinals than Scott's been this year by about 70 points of OPS. And Shawnee was better. You know, Victor Scott was really terrific defensively last year. It's not the case this year. A two-star catch in Major League Baseball is considered a moderately difficult catch, right? Yep. Last year in two-star catches. he made that catch about 73, 74% of the time, which is good. It's about average. But it was a little, no, it's a little bit above average. Okay. This year, those two-star catches, it's 59%. It's dropped like 15%. And I, wheels, I look at that and I'm like, well, how could that be? Yeah.

You know, we're not talking about like superhuman catches. We're talking about moderately difficult catches. He's not even getting to balls. He's not getting the jump. I looked at all his metrics on getting the jump. All that stuff's way down. I don't know why, though. I don't understand that. Some guys bring their struggles at the plate to the field and it must be that. Yeah. Cardinal Report, sponsored by Rawlings. Visit the Rawlings Experience in Westport. Why am I talking about... Cardinal report, well, we have some new news in, you know, kind of expected. The team just made it official. I mean, we knew that Lars Neubar was coming back today, but the team made it official. So he's on the roster now. Thomas C.C. goes to Memphis. And then, what was it? Ryan Fernandez went to the injured list with a back problem. So he's off, he's on the injured list. And Matt Sponson is back from Memphis. But keep in mind that Orias and Church both started rehab assignments last night. So they're going to be back soon, which means. more people are moving. So you figure it's probably two of the three between Scott, Torres, and Velasquez. Two of those three figure to go back down. You keep Velasquez, wouldn't you? I would want to lean that way because I want to have the danger against left-handed pitching late in games or even when a left-handed pitcher is starting. You know, their starting lineup, their main lineup is getting to be very left-handed with Weatherholt, Burleson, Crooks, Gorman, Newtbar. and church, assuming church take, it's either church or Scott, one of the two, right? They're all left-handed. Yeah. So having the right-handed danger off the bench with power would be a good thing to balance that out. Yeah. Alvin Reid's here. Hello. Hey, I mean. Baseball man. You can't carry a 190 this deep into the season. I think Victor Scott's that. And to be clear, too, it's also a part of what's best for him. Is it best for Victor Scott to be the fifth outfielder and never play? Or is it better to go to Memphis and play every day and try to fix it? I agree. Because the discussions, you know, I'm talking to people. I think he's going to be the eye man out. I think he gets sent down. It's not that, dude, I mean, they're not. Don't DFA am. Oh, no, no, no. Crazy nonsense like that. But, yeah, dude, you got to get it together because you just, we can't carry you. Well, you know, like I say, 25, 26, when you. Got extra games or however they do it now. But you can't carry that. We're now into June. Yeah. I think everyone I know agrees. Everyone I know loves Victor and everyone I knows thinks he shouldn't be playing center field for the Cardinals. He's the guy everybody wants to root for. Yeah. He's fun. He's a great personality. He's an exciting player, but you can't be exciting when you're never on base. Right. Yeah. And now when he's on base, he doesn't even steal anymore. He doesn't steal bases. And it's like... I think that's part of the... If you got more hits, got more walks, and you were on base more, he would steal more bases. Not just by the mathematical equation, but by you have more confidence in his whole game. And I think that's what's missing. Yeah. All right, Chicago Boy, the Bears go moon to Indiana? I'm not a Chicago boy. I mean, I lived there for a while. Okay.

My wife, Chicago. He only lived there for a few years. I mean, I resent that because I'm a Detroit guy. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. We don't like Chicago. I apologize. I'm sorry. No, it's kidding. Yeah, it's fascinating because everybody I know, I mean, so many of my family members, they're all bare fans. So they're all pretty upset about it. In the end, like I think Bernie nailed it. In the end, people will get over it. You know what I think. Okay. I feel differently, obviously, than someone who lives in Chicago, but being a man my age. Maybe this happens to every 61-year-old, but in our generation, Alvin, we're starting to see our traditions torn down. And I grew up in like the Gary Finzick era, the Bears, and when they just, you know, the monsters. It's just kind of sad. It's just kind of sad. No, no, I hear exactly what you're saying. I, the whole Soldier Field thing, okay, is one that, look, I get it. You can't obliterate that stadium right there and build it. where it is. You got to figure something out. But the city of Chicago, just like the city of Kansas City, and then the state just basically said, we're not paying for it. And I guess I can see both sides. Because I'm so familiar with that part of Kansas, the whole idea of the team move over there, that didn't, that doesn't bother me as much as the bears being in northwest Indiana. It's just... You know, I'm not really grasping that. Ain't my team. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, it's like, really, you really couldn't figure this out at all. And I don't know what happened to Arlington Heights. That got put on the back. Well, I can tell me to this, the people that live there want no part of the stadium. Yeah, that's true. Is it an upscale? I would say that Arlington Heights is probably a mix of Kirkwood and. Ladoo, like, depending on which part. Because it's a really nice area. It's older. It's not like a new, you know, new construction area. It's an older area. And I can promise you the people there, the businesses there do not want to be overrun by the construction traffic, the construction road closures, the Sunday traffic. But also, you know, I think they want to put in like all this mixed use stuff around it. Well, you do that in Arlington Heights. And now all of a sudden, all the stuff that exists there is now going down in value. It's all getting... you know, basically hammered out of existence. So who owns Soldier Field? The city, I believe. The city owns Soldier Field. What do they do with that? And I think it's an historic site, so I don't think you can't do anything. Damn. They host college football games. Yeah, I mean, it's concerts and, you know, it's right there at Grand Park and the aquarium and all that. That, it's just the bear, you know, that whole thing that they say, like when it's all said and done, even with a 17 game schedule and counting the preseason. 14 events. Oh, it's nine or ten games a year. Yeah, right. You know, we can say what we want to, but okay. It's a big deal for downtown when they play. But it's not baseball. It's not even hockey, basketball, whatever. You only have limited number of games. So we get to mix politics and sports here. All right. So Donald Trump is injecting himself into the baseball negotiations wheels? Yes. Well, he was. And here's the thing. He was almost a big leaguer. Yeah. So.

Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, his 137 high school average got him scouted. I'm sure it really happened that way. I mean, it's not a surprise that big business guy who happens to be the president of the United States is on the side of the owners. Yeah. And that's what he did. He's like, yeah, there should be a salary cap. Like, all right, dude, just pipe down on something. Right. And that's just... You don't care about the best interest of the sport. You don't care about what's good for fans. You just don't. You care about the fact that other rich guys want it, and they give you money. Because, look, rich people give money to all politicians. I'm sure the owners give to Democrats and Republicans. But I'm sure there are more that lean right than lean left in that group of owners, just based on how I understand the league. And that would include the league office and Roger Goodell. But, like... You don't care about what the point of the cap is. These discussions are all about what can we, well, for us, they're about what can we do to make sure that fans in every city are excited. Fans in every city feel like their team has a chance because long term for the sport, that's what matters. Short term money is great. Long term killing fan bases is going to eventually take away that money. So, and the owners of teams and the players associations in these leagues. Both have a vested interest in that happening, in fans staying engaged. And they all just argue about how to split it up and the right way to do it. But I don't want to hear from people that don't care and don't pay attention and aren't baseball fans. I don't care what he says. He's not a baseball fan. Did the MLB's opening salvo on the salary cap... impact you at all? Do you think like, oh boy, here we go with the shutdown? No, it was exactly what everybody expected. And the player's response was exactly what everybody expected. And they are polar opposite because we're nine or ten months away from this mattering. And how does this get worked out? Like, what's the mechanism for the, like, does a player's rep go in and negotiate with reps from the ownership or? Well, you have the union, right? So the unions have their own head people that will be the like official negotiators. And then there's an executive player board. I think it's like, what, eight players, something like that? Yes. You know, like one of the guys on it is a St. Louis guy, Pete Fairbanks from the Marlins is one of the guys on that executive committee. There are various guys, usually veterans, though. But some younger guys are in that mix. They will be the ones that communicate to the other players when it's time to vote on something. Or here's the issue. Here's the solution that's proposed. We're going to go back and forth. The negotiating is done separately. And near the end, all of the body comes in. The players all vote. Okay. So they're going to have all the information, but they're not all voting on every single thing that's being negotiated. The player reps kind of voice the opinion of their teammates and the union. And I think, you know, at least I was a jerk. If I were a jury foreman, as soon as we walked in, I'd say like, okay, blank piece of paper, don't put your name, don't jury number one, any of that. Just write down, guilty, not guilty, okay? And then we could go from there. We got five, four, or we got one holdout. We don't have to address who it is. Let's just go through the whole thing. I think each team will probably...

Say like, okay, a blank piece of paper. No one knows, you know, even have it printed up, so all you got to do is write an X. We don't know who voted how. Just to see how many people would actually even lean that way. Because I think there is some weight to, I don't want to beat a guy that got rid of the salary cap. My best interest. It may be one way or the other, but I just don't want to be of that group, okay? And I think if I were making the spiel, because I'm old enough, and you guys are old enough, I said like, you know, Kurt Flood and, you know, on and on and on, you'd be letting down the legacy of the sport if you do this. And I think there's some weight to that. I like... the numbers technically that Major League Baseball, it's like if you're going to give me some numbers, you say like, look, eight teams got a drop salary, but how many of it have to increase salary, including the Cardinals? But the Cardinals are usually there. Normally they're one of the higher teams. Right now they're low. So if you, if whatever that window is in there, what I think would have to happen was, was that you, okay, I put it this way, Major League. baseball said, all right, the high end of the cap, it's just some high number. And you know that as revenues go up, that number goes up. So then if the players were to say like, man, they ain't reached that number, no way. So yeah, sure, you can have your salary cap because the salary cap is. what, $350 million or some nonsense or whatever. Maybe they would say, okay, just as long as it's not a true cap. It's just you threw a number out there. Then the owners have to police themselves. I mean, right now, you can say what you want to, but I think a lot of fans are saying like, well, the Dodgers are doing X, Y, Z. Okay? And that just kills a lot of other franchises that really don't have a chance. I get the back and forth. But like you said, well, this from the get-go, you said, like, they want a salary cap. We do not want a salary cap. We are not going to negotiate on a salary cap. We'll see you December 1st when you lock us out. The thing about all of it is super frustrating is the players have had the same position and stated the same things basically year after year after year for the last 60 years. Yeah. The owners sing different songs depending on the day you're talking to them. A year and a half ago, Rob Manfred was bragging about the competitive balance in the sport and how everybody's had a chance and everybody's made the playoffs in this amount of time. And now he's singing the opposite tune. Well, gee, I wonder why. Because you're trying to get a salary cap because you're trying to get financial certainty. This entire, this battle. For the ownership side, and fans need to understand this. From the ownership side, this battle is entirely about franchise values. Franchise values are not going up in baseball as fast as they're going up in the NFL and the NBA. And it's because in the NFL and NBA, you have capped costs. You have fixed costs, which raises the value of the franchise overall. That has nothing to do with me as a fan. I don't care about a franchise value.

It doesn't impact me at all. This is entirely about the owners wanting their franchises to gain value basically overnight by instituting salary structure that gives you cost certainty, right? There's a maximum amount. It's not about competitive balance. Competitive balance has not been created by any cap in any sport ever. There is no competitive balance in football. There is no competitive balance in basketball. There isn't. It doesn't exist. Those are the two sports with the most dynasties of any sport in modern era. Baseball just had their first back-to-back winner in how long? And almost in the year. 30 years? Just happened. And we're all panicking because it literally just happened now. People were panicking when the Subway series happened between the Yankees and the Dodgers in 2001. And nothing went away. In fact, from 2001 on, we ended up, once the Yankees got out of their dynasty, we ended up getting one of the most competitive eras in modern baseball history. So with the salary cab, there's a floor, correct? Yes. There is. Yes. The problem, and to me the whole thing about this is terminology, right? If the floor, the way this was proposed, the floor and the cap are still, what, $100 million apart? Yeah, it's even a little bit more than that. I mean, that's three superstar players difference between the top teams and the lowest teams. Those lower teams are not going to go up from the bottom. They're going to be at the bottom. The top teams are now restricted from going any higher. They can't go any higher, which is why the players don't like the idea of the competitiveness of it. Because now there is no incentive to compete. There's no ability for anybody to change. And once caps people get capped out, then there's no room for you to play around. And if I was a player, I would also be thinking to myself, okay, I'm a star for the Dodgers. I'm not, you know, Tony. All right, but I'm a star for the Dodgers. Let's say they, and now they have to reduce payroll. So I'm odd man out, okay? Salar cap hit, just like in the NFL. That don't mean the pilot. Like you said, the Pirates going to sign me? Hell no. And that's the other problem. And I don't want to get too long on this because the music's playing, but there are unintended consequences. And if you get to the point where the salary is no longer the biggest draw to a team, then what becomes the biggest draw is location. Everyone wants to be where you can make the most money off the field, which is L.A., New York, Chicago, Miami, those places. Welcome back, DGS to 324. All right, here's the strangest headline I've had, maybe all year. All right. Actual headline. Okay, I'm ready. I expect to hear this brought up on Donnybrook next Thursday. Okay, all right. Masturbation among birds is natural and should not be punished, says experts. Well, how are you going to punish a bird?

I mean... I think it might mean pet birds? Those wild ones are just going to fly away. Yeah. You're like, hey, stop that right now. Hey, Crow, cut that out. Right, you got to testize your bird in a cage? It's funny you guys say that because that's kind of what it is. Bird people have been discouraging their pets from that behavior. Oh. Because they think it shows some sort of anxiety and they don't want to be there. And then the experts are like, hey... Have you watched birds in the wild? That's all they do. Yeah, I mean, birds are, first of all, birds are prehistoric. You know, you have to explain. They're dinosaurs. Dinosaurs. Right. Or dinosaurs are birds. They've been doing that for hundreds of millions of years. I'm going to stop for you because you put them in a cage. That's just, really? I mean, they're. Yeah. Yeah, that is a strange headline. You know how Gen Z loves to rename things that already exist? Are they doing it with the bird thing now? Right just has been on this week. They're calling it a plop vacation. Instead of cramming your trip full of sightseeing and excursions, you just plop down on a beach chair and enjoy your vacation. Thank you, Gen Z. Well, I could... All right. There are times when you travel on business and like one day of it, especially the day I would get to the town. I wouldn't do anything. The Thursday I would go to the first event. I go to the hotel room. Next time you saw me it was on Friday. I might do like 20 hours where I just didn't do anything. That's basically with laying in bed and watch TV. I don't even order room service because I'm just too lazy to even just just. That's lazy. That is a whole level of lazy. When you got like you say, we got two kids are young and you're gone for the weekend. It's just kind of like, you know what? I'm just just. You're going the way of the birds. I'm lazing out. That's a dumb name, by the way. What's that? A plop. Plop. I don't like that connotation. That's connotation. That sounds like a number two. How about flop? You just flop out of the bed. That's all my vacations. Dude, don't go on vacation with me if you want to rent jet skis. Oh, no. You go with me if you want to do that. I might go see. If it's some history to be seen, I might go see it. But, yeah, I ain't, right. I'm not. I want to jump some waves, man. Let's go. Get the air. You're going to love this one. People are pushing back on calling AI or robots clankers. Oh, come on. They say it's too close to being a racial or religious slur. And we should include the AI. No. With humans in not having derogatory names. No, we shouldn't. We shouldn't. They're machines. The McClellan calls it A1. I always call it A1. No, why are we assigning human traits to technology? To any machine. Or to a rock, or to a car, or to anything. Agreed. The world's falling apart. Right. It's so stupid.

Do you ever remember the movie The Forbun Project and the computers kind of take over the world? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, that used to be the biggest, like, nonsense of the world. I don't think it's going to happen, but at the same time, I think sooner or later some company is going to say, like, man, we got hacked. You said, like, you got hacked by your own computer. Yeah, oh, sure. You know what? I think that that will happen. Yeah. That the shutdown they'll think is from China, someplace like that. It's like, no, our own computer. did that. Yeah. Anyone watch war games with Matthew Broder than we're kids? Did you like to play a game? I love that. I think he just said on Tiena Spark Club. I'm tired. Right. He said like, that movie, it was good to like, oh, so they go find the guy on Friedrich Merz Island outside of Seattle and he's flying like the automated dinosaur bird and he's got all the answers. And I'm thinking like, so nobody went to go ask this egghead, hey, man, but we must to blow the world up. Do you have a suggestion for it? The two kids have to go find. Welcome back, guys. DG.S. and KMOX. Happy Friday to everybody. 335. Dave Murray time. Brought to you by the Selega Heating and Cooling Weather Center. Hey, Dave. Hi there. How are things? Good. I have a question for wheels. Uh-oh. Not a weather question at all. Okay, good. Though I know you would be okay with that. I am a trained weather spotter after all. I know. I'm not a huge basketball fan, and I'm certainly not a huge NBA fan, but I check in during the playoffs and check in in the finals now. Is it me or does it seem like almost every play these guys are traveling? Oh my God. I can answer that one. Yeah, no, they've definitely over time kind of soften the way that they enforce that rule. Okay. It's not that it doesn't exist, but it's like you get a little bit of a bonus start step and they kind of, the Euro step also looks more of a travel than it actually is. So the guys that they go to their right and they go to their left on the same move. Toward the lane, yeah. But, I mean, people said that about Magic Johnson, too. Every time he dribbled, he was carrying the ball because he was dribbling up into his face because he had a high dribble. People used to argue that Michael Jim Jordan traveled all the time when he was going for his dunks. I think it's clearly a thing. They've just decided we think the entertainment is more important than just be really precise on this rule. Cool. I feel better. When they invented basketball, was dribbling automatically a part of it, do you think? I think so. I think the whole point was you couldn't just pick it up and run with it. You can bounce it and move with it or you can give it to someone else. That's fun. Yeah. I mean, look, the games, this is the thing that is, to me, it's a fascinating thing as a sports fan is that every sport has changed so that the generation that came before it doesn't like the current model. Right. So if you go back to the 1950s and 60s, Boston Celtics, that basketball game, that style of play.

Doesn't look anything like the 80s looked like. True. Right. And people then, people in the 80s were like, ah, all this dunking and fast breaking, no, we need two-handed set shots and we need more bounce passes. And because that's what the old style was. And this will repeat. forever. It will never stop. So that was a little get off my lawn attitude on my part. Well, no, but I think it's natural. Like people, all kinds of old baseball fans don't like the current game. They like their, well, of course, because it was what you knew. And in 20 years, people will go back and look at this time and like, man, I wish it was still like that because this is the natural cycle in every sport and it has been forever. Can I just say, Kevin is so sweet. I just asked possibly the dumbest question ever. And he was like, no, I think it was probably always like that. You mean the fundamental part of the sport? Yeah, I think they started with that. I don't think it's the dumb question at all. I don't think it's the dumb question at all. I don't know. Sports morph quite a bit from what they were. I thought about it a little longer. And I was like, they probably, yeah, that was probably, you know where it started, right? I know there was like peach baskets. Yeah, Lawrence Kansas. Wasn't it like a YMA? There you go. Hey, let's throw all this pumpkin through this basket. Yeah. Think about all the... So they weren't bouncing it. You can't think there are great games that just didn't make it out of the... Yeah. Absolutely. And talking about like ancient man, I wonder what kind of games they were playing. Oh, what's the one called that the Aztecs played? Yeah, I don't know the name. They had a big, it was like a huge, like a football size arena. And there were baskets on the side. And I think you had to like score baskets to not die or something. Yeah. I think the other side, I think the losing team got beheaded. It was something crazy. Like it was super like hyper competitive. Yeah. Now that's entertainment. Yeah. Did they play that? Did they show that in the Mel Gibson movie? You know, I didn't make it through that. I started watching that about a month ago. Yeah. And it wasn't like it was bad, but I just, I don't know, I just didn't make it through. Yeah, that's streaming somewhere because I considered watching it too. It's not bad. It's not bad. I can't watch it because there's so many animals in it. My dog won't stop attacking the TV. I got to make sure he's asleep when I watch that one. Yeah, so you can not watch TV with your dog. Dave, how we look in this weekend, especially for people going out to the Reds card series. Okay, it's more humid. It's coming up today. It's still okay today, but it is definitely more humid. Temperatures will be warm again, kind of typical for early June. I still think the day for scattered showers and thunderstorms, one over the other, is still going to be Sunday. I don't think we see much tomorrow. Maybe a pop afternoon shower. I wouldn't worry about it at all, but we're going to get up to about 92 and humid.

Fairly quiet Saturday night, don't see any problems. Sunday, scattered showers and thunderstorms are on no all-day rain, and it's not a severe weather outbreak. But there will be a couple of storms that could produce some heavy downpours of rain and lightning. Not for everybody. That scattered shower and thunderstorm pattern continues Sunday night and throughout the day, Monday and probably Tuesday, too. Okay. Fair enough. So back to summer. I've not been to nearly as many games this season so far, but I'm going tonight and I'm going tomorrow. Tomorrow's my first solo game. So I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. Typically a Sunday thing, but Sunday we're watching Widows Bay. So. Got plans. Yeah. Big plan. All you people with your Apple TV. Yeah, we're going to load it over you, too. Didn't realize I worked with a bunch of billionaires. I have two Apple TVs. I canceled by Apple TV, just so you know, Rachel. For some reason, that one just seems like it would be expensive, and I don't know why. I think we have some combo thing because we have Apple Music, too. I think we have some tie them all together thing. I pretty much have everything, and it's all tied to an email that I lost years ago, so I can't cancel if I want to. Yeah, you're with those guys for life. Yeah, oh, yeah, we're attached at the hip. Headlines range? Yeah, let's start by talking about some good news. Gas prices have come down more than 32 cents in the past two weeks. So that's a notable improvement. Still pretty expensive, but it's good to hear, down 32 cents. Prices could remain unpredictable in the weeks and months ahead because everything that's going on, but for now we can smile that it's a little cheaper. We already talked about this earlier in the show, but they're saying most web traffic may not be generated by humans. 57.3%. It's going to be bots at this point, edging out humans at 42%. Okay, I have a question. What's up? I don't expect you to know the answer to this, but you'll know more than me. What percentage of the bot traffic is useful? It's just someone using bots to do their business, and what percentage is just crap? Just bots trying to cause trouble or scam you? Like, do we have any ideas on those numbers? I don't know the answer to that. Like are bots a valid thing to use the internet? And I just don't understand it. No, there are ways that it could be useful for you if you have like a business and you use it to promote your business. And it's not like a shady thing where you're like doing false reviews for your own business or whatever like that. But I mean, the bots are typically made to stir up the crap. And in some cases, I mean, look, a lot of foreign entities, foreign governments use bots to sow descent.

to get people at each other's throats, which certainly seems to be working. It seems to be working. Okay, here's a crazy follow-up to the George Santos, uh, Kalshi's story. So NPR was reporting on the situation. And NPR journalist Bobby Allen says George Santos delivered a jarring threat to him over the phone. George Santos allegedly said, this story is going to get you a gun in your face. Holy. Crap. Yes. So this alleged threat came after Allen reported that federal regulators were investigating George Santos over fishy activity on Kalshi. George Santos, of course, has a documented history of lying, but he denies any activity, and he also denies that he said anything about putting a gun in anyone's face. George says not once was I ever threatening or aggressive. Sassy? Sure. But aggressive and threatening? Never. Sassy. Because I never lie. Yeah. I got to say, George, I am not sure I believe you, sir. Was it John Lovitz's character? Was that Tommy Flanagan? The liar. Sounds right. Yeah. That's George Santos. Yep. He's going to just lie about everything. Okay, there was a last-minute World Cup rule change that has really angered fans. And that rule changes... I heard this. Fans can no longer bring reusable water bottles into stadiums during the tournament in the U.S. Mexico and Canada. And evidently, this has always been a thing. that you can bring your own bottle. It's going to be hot. You don't want to get dehydrated and pass out. But yeah, they just said no more, which can only be a money grab, right? It's 100% what it is. Unless they're giving them out. They're claiming it's about safety, saying that the bottles could be used as projectiles. Oh, shut up. I hate FIFA. Yeah. And they say we're aware of heat safety concerns, but yeah, I don't, to answer your question, I don't think they're going to be giving away free water. I don't think that's going to be. Well, I mean, again, other than that, then you are forcing people to pay water so that they don't get dehydrated and get sick. Yeah, that's very wrong. Yeah, there was one time I was at a venue in the St. Louis area, and I was like in the pit in the concert. And I started to get extremely overheated. And I walked to the bar and I'm like, can I please have water? They're like, that's $3. I'm like, I don't have any cash on me. Can I please have some water so I don't pass out? Right. And the bartender was like, fine. Jeez. I'm sorry. Dang. Crazy story. It's the power of Rachel right there. They've been doing this, though. FIFA's been doing this with a lot of things leading up to this tournament, like changing things after the fact. They suck. Yeah, they kind of draw you in and the ticket pricing and the ticket categorizations after tickets went on sale. So people that had purchased them now all of a sudden have less valuable seats because they moved them and because they reclassified the section so that it could be more expensive to buy. Yeah. FIFA's, FIFA is about as crooked as it gets.

One last story for you guys. A diner is blaming Outback Steakhouse and mashed potatoes for a nasty fall that they suffered. A customer says that they were walking to the bathroom when they slipped on what appeared to be mashed potatoes and an Outback Steakhouse, hitting the hard floor of the restaurant and suffering serious ongoing injuries that has affected her ability to work. and led to substantial medical expenses. Outback Steakhouse is denying the accusations, saying it didn't know of any hazardous condition, and it wouldn't have been required to post a warning even if there were potatoes on the floor. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. That's a weird thing to say. We can just put mashed potatoes on our floor willy-nilly. We do that all the time. Yeah. You should know there's a possibility of mashed potatoes on the floor at any moment. Jeez. Welcome back, DGS. Happy Friday. A few minutes shy at 4 p.m. George Mayhew will be here from St. Louis Magazine at the top of the hour. A few fun facts? Oh, yes. I find this really hard to believe. All of the planets in the solar system could fit snugly between the Earth and the Moon. I always thought, like, you could have a thousand Earths in Jupiter or something like that. I guess I'm just making crap up. I know Jupiter is big. It's a lot of space between the Earth and the Moon. I guess. The FBI followed Russell Crow around for almost two years in the early 2000s after they got a credible threat that al-Qaeda was going to kidnap him as a cultural destabilization plot. They thought that if they... kidnapped Russell Crow, the U.S. would just go into a tailspin. What? Yep. I mean, it probably would have. That was right after Gladiator came out. Yeah, maybe. But then you've got to hold on to that gladiator. Yeah, how are you going to hold on to Russell Crow? Are you not entertained? It's going to throw a phone at Al-Qaeda. Yeah, look out of it. The guy who founded North Face died in 2015 from hypothermia after a kayaking accident. Sad? Yeah. But I guess that's one of those, like, the dumbest cliche ever's like, oh, he died, doing what he loved, but I guess he kind of did. The original lyrics of Rupert Holmes, the Pena Colada song, you know that one? If you like Pena Coladas, getting caught in the rain. I thought that was the, what's his name? Jimmy Buffett? Yeah, no, I got it wrong. I always get those mixed up, too. I just thought it was a Barry Manilow song. Hmm. It's not? It's some other guy? Yep, Rupert Holmes. Oh. And the original line was, if you like Humphrey Bogart and getting caught in the rain. But he already mentioned Humphrey Bogart in many of his other songs. This guy's a big Casablanca fan. Right? Yeah. I think Rupert's got some issues. Bro. Like those birds. If you're in love with Humphrey Bogart. Nobody wants to hear you. He just can't stop singing about him. The latest sensation in cooking videos, Rachel, I know if you know this one. Tiny Grandma? I have not seen Tiny Grandma. She's a six-inch tall puppet grandma.

who cooks up human-sized Korean food. The creators say that YouTube flagged them for being AI, but they do everything the old-school way she... Welcome back, guys, DGS and Kamox 405. George Mayhe from St. Louis Magazine is here. There's a little muggy out there. Is that a little credence, Clearwater? Yeah. Oh, man. I remember that. That was a good song. Great band. I love CCR. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't heard that in a while. Thanks for doing that. We play that one. We played it in the last Dave Glover band. I love singing that one because it's just so, you know, like going to church. I just love it. I haven't heard it in a long time, and it made me smile. Yeah, I have to play that one against it. Since George Mayhe is here from St. Louis Magazine, we would be remiss if we didn't remind people to vote for the Dave Glover show in St. Louis Magazine's A-list Reader's Choice Award. Yeah, we're not pushing that nearly enough. It's up on our Facebook page. Where you should. And you can vote once per day. So go do that, please. I was going to say you can do that because that's all I can say. I have no other influence. I don't know. You know, I can't watch the polls and like, you better get some people together, Dave, because, you know, you're in second place. But no, I have no idea how that goes. But it's a big deal. There's 200 categories. And we write up every one of them and give everybody their due. And I think, you know, it's. For whatever it's worth, it's a, anytime you get voted anything, it's a good thing. I always talk about this with restaurants all the time. Just don't ever ignore being voted on something and talk about it and talk it up. What else do you have to do? Yeah, yeah. What are we talking about today? Well, we are talking about. We should talk about Ben Peramba, and we've talked about him before, and I don't want this to sound like a broken record, but, you know, this guy is doing things in this city that nobody's ever done. And, okay, we knew that he closed his three restaurants. in botanical heights closed them all on new year's eve in like 2023 and said i'm moving all these across town and it's like that was like the craziest thing anybody's ever done what are you nuts you know you've got three successful places here nope i'm going to move them across town into this this little spot on delmar that that has been dubbed the delmar maker district because everybody is a maker there and there's a there's a focus on the the artisanal aspect so so everybody sees all these He's artisans doing everything. The restaurants all have opened kitchens. So he says, I'm going to put all these three restaurants there, and I'm going to do a couple more also. And he opened a place called Eska. Have you been to Eska yet? Go there. It's a singular experience. It's a really beautiful restaurant. You'll walk in, and it's one of those. I think I'm in Chicago or New York, or it doesn't look anything like you'd expect it to look. It's dark and black. You can't tell anything from the outside. You walk in, and it's just outstanding. So he does, you know, this isn't even the three restaurants that he's moving. He starts with this one. Anyway, I'll fast forward to today. You know, they suffered through the tornado, and he said, you know, we're here to stay. You know, one of the places that I was going to put one of these restaurants was pretty much desperate.

and they're rebuilding the whole place. So most recently, he's moved one of his restaurants into this. There was a spot there where Alpha brewing and distilling was, and there was a Steve's hot dogs there, and there was a fountain on locust there, and this little kind of subset of the Delmar Maker District. Well, all three of those places went out of business. And it's just kind of just sitting there. And it's like, okay, you know, and this is Ben's neighborhood. And it's like, okay, so I bet Ben's going to do something there. And sure enough, we're going to move one restaurant up into this spot. And then he announces that he's going to do another one. And this one opens in a couple of weeks, and it's called Del Bono. If you know anything about Ben's restaurants, the design of all these is, it's just amazing what he does. His idea is he goes, I want to have my restaurants where you could just like, pluck them up off the site and move them into another city and that they'll look just fine there too. So they're kind of a universal appeal. And they're just, it's just really beautifully done. This one's got a huge, this giant round copper pizza oven that some guy from Maine came down to, you know, to build this thing. It's got copper pots hanging from the ceiling. The walls are all black. And there was a muralist that came in with copper tin. tape. So did the mural in copper tape. So there's these images done. You have to see this. So I have to ask. It's beautiful. And it's none of my business, but I'm going to ask anyway. Was Ben already rich? No. I think he's got, I think he's got investors that help him with these, you know. The idea, I mean, again, he did the same thing. originally in Botanical Heights. He got into these places on the cheap, basically, and said, okay, they said, hey, you're going to do these restaurants, we're going to help you out. I think they gave him very favorable rent, and that was great, I think, for 10 years, and then, as sometimes happens, you get to be successful, and all of a sudden your rent, no, no, no, now your rent's, well, you know, he couldn't come up with a deal. Yeah. So he packed up his bags and moved him across town, and he's going to do, the intention is to do the same thing in the Delmar Maker District. this little section of Del Mar that's a third of a mile long and you know what I'm here to tell you is he will have eight by the end of this year eight eight restaurants in a third of a mile. Damn. And the most recent one, like I said, is this place called Del Bono and, you know, wood-fired pizzas and, you know, special flour from Italy that he says is the best he could find, the best in the world, all these beautiful, this mural, this, this, I've never seen anything like it. It's, like I said, black walls and copper tape. And we just put an article out today for those that want to look at it. And it's very, I can't wait to go see it in person because it's,

It's just outstanding. And his idea is with all these restaurants in the same neighborhood, he said, you know, I want high, I want medium, I want low. I just want to attract everybody. You know, the same guy on different nights of the week. You know, you want to spend some money. You want to blow some dough. Well, then go to Elia, which hasn't opened yet. You know, you want something reasonable. Go to Del Bono and have a pizza. So he's really got this whole neighborhood. thing down in this this little pocket that he's putting these three restaurants and people like him are gold For a city. There's no replacing. There's no second. I don't know anybody that's done it anywhere, really. He's just unbelievable. He's an amazing visionary, and it sounds like I'm on the Ben Peramba payroll, but I'm not. But, man, I appreciate what the guy has done. And I thought it was cool enough when he said, I'm going to relocate these three. I go, well, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen. And now he's... It makes me tired to think about eating at eight restaurants, much less running eight restaurants. And exactly. They're all different. They're all fun. He's a detailed nut. I think he sits around and just, you know, debates a salt and pepper shaker for days, you know, and everything is, if you look at every detail in every one of his restaurants, has been very, very carefully thought out and thought through. That's great. So anyway, this Del Bono opens on June 18th. is um that that's what i'm here to tell you today and uh it's uh uh you know it was in the at the old alpha dis uh what was it called alpha brewing and distilling so There's this, it's all glass except for, you know, basically glass wall. So it's, you know, he had to work with that. But anyway, I just, I didn't know what to expect. And I sent the photographer over there and to do the story. And she comes back with these photos. I went, man, he's done it again, you know. So. Hats off to one of the city's best culinaryans. You know, we're really, really glad to have that guy. And again, he's over in Tornado, you know, Tornado Alley. So double kudos to him for hanging in there. Because a lot of people wouldn't. They would say, you know what? It isn't happening. And the pockets aren't deep enough to kind of double down and redo all this. But he and his, I guess he's got investors, I don't know, but it's not cheap to open a restaurant these days. I mean, you're talking seven figures for most of the time. You know, it's a million bucks to open a restaurant, which is just crazy. What are the numbers like just in your industry?

percentage of restaurants that close within a year, percentage of restaurants that make money within five, you know, that kind of thing. Well, I mean, they always, you know, that it was half of them close within, you know, a year or two. And I think, I don't know that that's true here because I, you know, as you know, I report on all this stuff and I chronicle it every month. And I don't see. that many closures for the openings. I see a lot more openings, and they're hanging in there, even through all this craziness and pandemics and, you know, everything else that you want to point to recessions, there's still way, way more openings and closing. So it's still, they hang in there, but they're not making the money that they used to, and not that they ever made a whole lot, but now it's... It's, margins are very slim and, you know, prices are up and labor's crazy, you know, all this stuff that you've heard before. So, you know, everybody that's in this business now is, you know, hurting a little bit. They're strapped and there's not a lot of wiggle room. I don't think the price of, you know, anything on their P&L is going down. Well, I know going through this with Jeff Fitter, who had super smokers, he was like, Dave. I can't charge, I can only charge so much for brisket. Yeah. And if I'm paying more, you know, you just can't lose money month after month after month. You just can't do it. I was just talking to a guy on the way down and he's in the meat business. And it's the exact same thing. He goes, you know, you go into restaurants and see, you know, 60, 70, 80 stakes. And you know what? They should be charging more than that. But they can't. There's no way they can. Sure. So, yeah, the margins get pinched, and they try to make money on other things and all these little tricks that guys do. But... You know, I say it all the time. Support the local restaurants. Keep these guys in business and make sure that, you know, you can go over to the Delmar Maker District any time and go to any of these Ben Perumba restaurants and be very happy. And like I said, he goes, I want to put this place and be able to plop it down into Vegas and have it look like it belongs there. And he's been able to pull this off. That's really hard to do. Yeah, very, very cool. Thank you, Georgie. I'm ready for you. 422 DGS on KMOX. Happy Friday. Dave Murray says it's going to be warm and muggy this weekend. And the best chance of thunderstorms is on Sunday. So plan accordingly for Cardinals baseball, whatever else you guys are doing. Do some flashback, Rach. Yeah, June 5th, back in the day, 70 years ago in 1956, Elvis Presley went on the Milton Burrell show. Oh, boy. and thrust his manhood at the camera. It caused so much controversy that from them on, cameras would only shoot him from the waist up. Yeah, it must have been something. Look at us now in 2026. Yeah, look at us now. It seems so quaint, doesn't it? Yeah, for sure. 61 years ago in 1965, I can't get no satisfaction by the Rolling Stones was released. Huh.

They're still going at it. I saw, speaking of the Elvis thing, either of you know who Steve Allen is, he was before Carson. Oh, yeah. It's one of those guys. Okay. And he famously got everything wrong. And he did a thing with a hound dog. and Elvis playing Hound Dog thinking he was really getting Elvis. And everyone was just like, you're a D. And then I saw a clip of him reading the lyrics to come together by the Beatles. And he's like, here come old flat top. He come grooving up slowly. Didn't he do that bit on like the award show every year? Yes. And everyone's just like, shut up, bitch. It's like, it's the Beatles. 58 years ago in 1968, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was shot at the Ambassador Hotel in L.A. just after winning the California Democratic primary. That's a crazy one. Any assassination is crazy. But the guy who did it... supposedly was named Sirhan Sirhan. I remember that because I'm like, he had two same names. And has claimed for all of these decades that he has no memory of it. He had nothing against Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. He has no memory of it. And this was one of the original conspiracy theories. Right. Was that he was controlled. And he was MK Ultra. Exactly. Interesting. Yeah. That's always been, I guess you could say the legend, right? Yes. Yes. 45 years ago in 1981, the CDC reported the first cases of AIDS in five men in Los Angeles. More than 200,000 AIDS cases were reported in the U.S. alone during the next 10 years. That was so sad for so many reasons. Because I was, what year was that, Rach? 1981. Okay. So I would have been a junior in high school. But yeah, everyone just was so freaked out about it. And it was a terrible thing for gay people, not just the disease, but people looked at them as lepers and lesser than. And there was already discrimination. And then it was just much easier to do. People didn't want to play basketball against Magic Johnson because they thought if they got his sweat on them, it was just a crazy time. Well, that's why it was such a big deal, right, when Princess Diana, like, went to visit AIDS patients and, like, was holding hands and stuff. I mean, that kind of showed people. You don't have to be so afraid of the situation. The Magic Johnson thing was wild when it happened, but it was also, like, informative.

Right. It wasn't just gay people getting it. Right. You know? I mean, he was known, I think he's admitted it. Like he slept around a lot. And he had HIV, not like, right. Right. He doesn't have full-blown AIDS, right, right. Yeah, it's helpful for people to know the difference too. Yeah. I still don't think that he still looks healthy. Yeah. I mean, that's, that was 35 years ago. Yeah. And he's out there doing his thing. Now, I mean, again. It's not everybody's case, and he's had the access to the best medical care. He has no money questions. He's got access to things that maybe average people wouldn't. But still, it taught people a lot. And, Dave, my understanding is that HIV can progress into AIDS, but not everyone with HIV has AIDS. That's correct. And HIV is very treatable in this day and age. Yeah, right. They have ways that can make it basically undetectable. Yeah. 44 years ago in 1982, Sophia Loren finished serving a 17-day sentence in an Italian jail for tax evasion. I wish I could have been her cellmate. Oh, my God. Sophia Lauren. I mean, she's one of the all-time most beautiful women. Amazing. But isn't that nuts? 17 days in jail. No, it's more nuts than that. That tells me that my 45th high school reunion is coming up. Oh, yeah. That doesn't seem possible. That doesn't seem possible. Welcome back, DGS. Happy Friday, 438. I know it's not good to wish Ilan, your fellow man, and I try not to. But for some reason, on one of our televisions, it's playing old episodes of Mori Povich. Oh, yeah. I don't care if anything good ever happens to that guy again. He's got his millions of dollars. He's married to Connie Chung. But you know what? What a waste of a life. You made all that money off of a bunch of white trash Hoosiers finding out who's the baby daddy was. Like, no. It's hard to argue that that show added anything to society. No. Throw in Jerry Springer and Jenny Jay Jones and all those. And no one made anyone watch it. And they were very popular. So there's an obvious appetite. But man, at some point is have something that looks like ethics. I mean, I know at the end, like Jerry Springer regretted that he did it. Like, I should never have done all those things. Well, too bad, man. You made the move for the money. Yep. The caption is, I'm 63. She's 21. A DNA test will prove I did not get her pregnant. I'm on the edge of my seat. Is that a current show? No, because I think its show is over. Okay. So this might have just been like a late episode. So, Wheels, we've talked about this topic before. I'm always happy to talk about this topic. I know you have a different angle this time, but backer-inners and non-backer-inners.

Yeah, so I had a question about this because it pops up every so often, and I saw it again where people are, you know, they get mad at you if you are the person that backs into the parking lot or into your parking spot. And I do that, but it's not about relitigating that. I think, though, you know, I wonder if you agree with me on this. I think the people who hate it are telling something about themselves, and I don't even mean a negative thing. But it's telling me that the stress of other people being around you bothers you so much. You'd rather inconvenience yourself than inconvenience someone else. Flesh that out for me. So, for example, the knock on the backing into your spot is, oh, it's taking time. First of all, it doesn't. If you know what you're doing, it takes much more time than just pulling into the spot. And it's not about a fast getaway sometimes. Sometimes it's about when you're pulling into the garage or a parking lot. It's calm now. So if I do this now, if it's busy later, it's easier pulling out when it's busy if I'm facing the correct way. I'm facing out instead of facing the other direction. Either way, you have to back up. It's just about whether you do it in the beginning or in the end. So it's not a fear of backing up. It's nothing like that. It's just more of like, all right, it sets me up for later if things aren't as calm as they are now. And I think that it sounds like the main criticism is you're holding people up by doing it. So I'm a hater, and here are my objections to it. And they're just going to make me sound increasingly crazier.

It does bother me when people do it because it's taking up time. Now, you know me. I'm not 007. I don't have anywhere to be usually. So it's not like, hey, hey, hey, I have brain surgery in 10 minutes. But it's just annoying. And here's the one that makes me sound crazy. It's because doing that makes me feel like you feel that you're better than me. See, that's what I'm getting to. Yes. It is a tell. And again, I don't mean it as a negative. No, it's a negative. Oh, is it? Okay. I don't mean it that way. I think it's just more you saying this is my personality. Yeah. And one way or the other, I'm feeling judged for it. Yeah. But you're not being, I don't judge anybody that pulls in forward. No, we just judge you for doing it. Right, right. Right. But it shouldn't. Why would, like, why would it make you feel that way? Like, what? Are you Batman? Maybe. Like, where do you need to be? Maybe. You know how to drive. Yeah. I'm struggling out here. Okay, but you got to back up at the end of it if you pull in forward. Either way, you got to do the same thing. But for me, as a non-backer-inner. I don't have decades of experience of backing into spaces. So I would have to really, really concentrate. You got the screen on your car. Oh, man. And I don't look at those. What? No. Oh, my God. It's the best thing ever. No. I have gotten a lot better at parallel parking. Like a lot better. I'm actually pretty decent at it. But there are days where like... As soon as I start to do it, I'm like, I'm doing it wrong. I did it wrong. I did it wrong. It's so embarrassing because I parallel park on my street and I'm like, I feel you. I just know my neighbors can see me. I'm not seeing it happen again. I'm not a back burner, but I am hell on wheels at parallel parking. But there are times if it's an especially small space. I have like, not today, my friend. I'm just going to continue to drive around. But it was interesting because I was watching the back and forth on this. I think it was on Twitter. It was a post on Twitter about it. And I was watching the back and forth. And it seemed like the same response on the negative side of it was, well, you just think you're so special. But no, I don't. I just think it's a more convenient way to do it. Now, if I have five cars lined up behind me, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to pull in and get out of the way. Okay. Is there anything wheels that you see other people do that you think like, oh, look at them. They think they're so cool. Yeah, the left lane campers. The ones that sit there and go 55 in the left lane. Like they think they're better than everybody. Like they think they're policing everybody else. Or it's my lane because I'm comfortable here and I don't want to be by the other cars over there where people are merging. So I'm going to get over here where I'm more comfortable. Yeah. The driving's not about your comfort level, man. You're bringing up an actual safety issue though. That is not how you are supposed to drive. That's right. You're making it less safe for everyone else on the road. That's correct. You are screwing it up by doing it that way. That's correct. But I can't count how many times. I mean, it's every day. People just camping in the left lane. Like, it's not hard. If you're not, it's okay to not be going faster. It's okay. There are plenty of lanes for that. Yeah. And then you get, then those people get mad if somebody comes up on them. They're like, what do you expect?