The Rod and Greg Show: Manhunt for Brown University Shooter; Getting Ricker Made Teens Less Free; Marijuana

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Yeah. Well, apparently, that ticked off one very leftist nurse who was a customer at the store at the time. Listen to this exchange and how this nurse just went after this employee for wearing a Charlie Kirk t-shirt. Do you let you wear that shirt here? Yes. Why? Why are you taking my picture? Why are you wearing that shirt? You're working. It's not a red shirt. I can wear any red shirt. It's not a plain shirt. It doesn't have to be a... It's a Charlie Kirk's shirt. Yes. Oh, yes, I know. Are you f*** stupid? No. Why the fuck would you wear that? You're at work at Target. That's not a target shirt. It's not a plain red shirt. You support a racist. It's not a racist. You support a racist. He's not a racist. Yes, he is. Yes, he fucking is. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stand here and argue with you. You're not. You should go get your manager. You should not be allowed to wear that at work. Unacceptable. Unf-unacceptable. That's your opinion. The opinion is he's a fucking racist and you support him. That's your opinion now. And you should not be allowed to wear that. This is going to be taken above your fucking head. That's insane. God. Insane. Insane. I have a mistake. And f***. Piece of shit. Can you believe that? Here is a nurse, okay. She's shopping at a Target store. This employee is berated because she was wearing a red Charlie Kirk t-shirt, right? Two things I think of. First of all, this store employee handled this very, very well. She sure did. I could not have done what she did. She was very kind. She didn't overreact. She said, I'm allowed to wear this. Ma'am, he is not a racist. And she said, have a nice day. And she walks away. And this nurse continues to go after her, right? Second point I want to make, if you have something happened to you, maybe you're injured or you're sick, and you need to go to the hospital, and you may be wearing a MAGA hat or something, and this nurse is the one who's going to take care of you, how do you think she's going to treat you? Can you believe this? I mean, it's such a, it's really, if it's not insane, it's immature. I mean, I think it's nuts, but if it's not nuts, if someone thinks that that's maybe too heavy of a description or too drastic, well, then it's incredibly sophomoric, incredibly immature to think, again, this is one of these common traits that we're seeing on the left now in these elitists, is that if you don't share their worldview, then you suffer from moral failings or intellectual failing. And it is just the most selfish, the most immature... worldview to think everyone has to agree with me there can be no daylight and if they don't they're racist their biggest they're they're misogynist they're something you know they have a moral family or they are just they're ignorant they're stupid they're dumb people are you dumb you heard her ask are you stupid yeah i mean she yeah she believes she's either morally or intellectually lacking or failing and offending her because she's so dumb or because she's so immoral yeah

That's how the left sees this world. If you do not subscribe to all that they subscribe, then there is no other view. There is only theirs, and you have some fault that is incurable if you don't agree with them. How did this happen? Yeah, yeah. Kids think this way. How do you think, Greg, the 77 million Americans who voted for Donald Trump just a year ago would react to this stuff? Yes. They would be outraged. I mean, yes, I agree. And I'll tell you this. If wearing a Charlie Kirk shirt at Target, and it's all red, doesn't pass muster with Target, then there's Target supervisors that she answers to that would say, hey, I know it's a red shirt, but we don't wear it with any kind of political statement or anything on it. Somebody that she works for who she answers to would address that. Not some crazy customer that walks up and confronts her and tells her what she's going to do. I'm going to tell you, as a grown adult, I'm not in the mood to have grown adults try to tell me as a grown adult what I can and can't do. I'd say I'm a grown person. You'd go yell at kids that you have some kind of dominion over, but don't come to an adult and tell me what to do. Get out of here. The crazy thing about this, this nurse, nobody was filming this. The nurse filmed it herself. You know, she just had her phone and was filming this. And she is so crazy. And posted it. And people picked up on this. They're raising money for this employee, just kidding. You know, and they, apparently she worked for someone called Enlo Health, which is a health care system somewhere in that area. And there are calls now for Enlo to fire this nurse. And I, yeah. Well, good for the goose is good for the gander. If strangers are going to come up to that poor woman working at Target and try to get her fire, I'm going over your head. She says, well, guess what? Sounds like a lot of people want to go over her head to say, you're a menace. You're just a menace. I don't think delivering health care is going to be your gig. Because we, listening to you, treats another human being the way you are. It's just not. What I don't understand is my mother passed away at an early age. And if you asked me up until... more just more recently i would tell you nurses are angels i think sure this nurse not an angel i hate to offend the doctors that are listening to our program but i think sometimes doctors have god complexes i don't find doctors to be as compassion and it would be hard when you're dealing with the same issues all the time nurses on the other hand they throw your arms around you so this lady has no business being a nurse amen to that all right we've got a lot more to talk about as we kick off the wingman wednesday edition of the rodding greg show don't forget live coverage of the president's address to the nation coming up at seven o'clock more on utahs talk radio 1059 canr s well we're we're fully that this day isn't over yet so Or seven and a half days, seven and a half days, four hours, 13 minutes until Santa comes down the chimney. I'll make fun of me. You're one of those moods today. You have been in one of those moods today.

Well, I had some interruptions today, so I have, yeah, I have a mood, yes. So, you know, a lot of, a lot of rigor mara before the show started. Yeah, yeah, I understand that. Well, let's talk about what's going. This story at Brown University is bizarre, Greg. We're now into day five of the search for the killer here. And, you know, police, I would think, are doing all they can. But a lot of people in that area are becoming very restless, saying what is going on here? Well, I'm just reading this. The Providence Police Chief, and I'll tell you, every time this guy talks, you don't get it. There's no more, you don't feel greater confidence that something's going to happen. You just start to worry that nobody's in charge because this chief of police reveals that five days after this Brown University mass shooting with the killer still on the loose, that they have not interviewed the student eyewitnesses. Wow. for a description of the shooter. Why not? They said today that they have not interviewed the student witnesses. That's amazing. Yeah, I'm just at a loss. Joining us on our newsmaker line to talk about more about this. Eric O'Neill, he is a former FBI operative who has a lot of knowledge about this. Eric, what do you make of this five days in and nothing new yet? Well, right, Greg, it's good to be on your show with you. And I can say that five days out, it makes things more difficult for law enforcement. I think they've done the best. with what they can, but you can't catch a fugitive without knowing a little bit more, at least about what they look like or where they went after the shooting. So right now, what we have is a fairly grainy image of the shooter who was wearing a cap and a mask. And what law enforcement has been doing in addition to knocking on doors and asking for any witnesses who might have seen something, even if it's something they don't think is important, sometimes any tip can help. and technological methods by grabbing every camera, from ring cameras to cell phone coverage to cameras at the school and everything in between traffic cameras and those sort of things to try to identify the suspect. The most important thing I think they have done is put out the image and the video of the individual who's the person of interest in the shooting. and hope that someone recognizes them from the way they walk and the way they move from sort of the shape of their face and says, hey, I think it might be this person. I'm unclear, because I think that the press conferences, frankly, are unclear with the Brown University President or the Providence chief of police. But did they have cameras inside? Is there any evidence or images of the assailant that we haven't seen as the public that would match up with these people of interest that they're looking at? Is there other evidence out there? They might be keeping close to the vest for investigative purposes. Do you know? Yeah, there is an evidence I have seen, although it's not completely outside the norm that they might have additional information that they're not releasing. And a good comparable is the investigation into the person of interest that ended up being the person that was arrested in the Charlie Kirk shooting, Tyler Robinson. And if you'll recall, they first released an image, then they released a different image and then a video.

And that led to someone saying, oh, actually his family member saying, that's my son and encouraging him to turn himself in. I think that that is the same thing that law enforcement is hoping for here. And sometimes some of the biggest cases are broken because someone recognizes something about the person and calls him a tip. You're right, or you've expressed, Eric, and I've seen some of the comments that you've been making on this, that police need to tighten the timeline. Why would that be beneficial in this investigation? Yeah, it can certainly help because the more you know about when the person arrived and where they went, that can give you clues into who they are and where they might be going. And also, one thing that we really need to know is whether this is the sort of shooter who goes to ground locally. Like, for example, in the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson basically went home. Or is the sort of shooter like the individual who drove across country? to shoot two national guards, a national guardsman and guardswoman in Washington, D.C. and, you know, presumably had they not been captured there, would have tried to cross the country and go home. So it's real important to understand that much to know where do you, how far do you have to expand your cordon? And could the person be in the cordon and gone to ground or has already moved outside of it? And now it's going to be very hard to catch the person, you know, straight out. You're going to have to identify them first and then continue the manhunt. You know, I think of three high-profile killings where there was investigative effort and they were able to, the National Guard one, that they were able to apprehend the person quickly. But we knew the political motivation behind that. The Charlie Kirk one, it was pretty clear why that happened. And so you could look at maybe. circles of those types of attitudes or influences that would help lead you to a person like that because of who they run with. Even Luigi, the guy that murdered the health care executive, he left clues in his assassination that would clearly show his motive behind it. We're lacking any of that context as the public in the Brown University shooting as to what the motivation would be. It almost seems like they're concealing that or they don't want to disclose. what they believe might be the motivation. If you have a crowded classroom and you have two people shot, was something shouted? Was there any idea? Is there just no idea of why this assailant did what they did? Or is the motive being held for some other reason? Do you think? Bubba Wallace here from 2311 racing. You know what's slower than a pace car? Waiting at the car wash. That's when I fire up Chumba Casino. It turns those slow minutes into fast fun. With new games every week, you'll never get bored. Next time you're stuck in the slow lane, speed up with Chumba. Play now at chumbacasino.com. Let's Chumba. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group, Ford, where prohibited by law, 21 plus, terms and conditions apply. Right. So the motive is very difficult to learn until you actually know the identity of the shooter. So typically what happens is, you know, there have been cases, right, where I remember the shooter who climbed onto a roof and shot at an ice facility? Yes, yes, yeah. Left words written on his bullets, you know, his bullets, kill ice. So they gave a pretty good motive, right? Sometimes you get those. But here you just have a guy wearing mostly dark clothes with a mask and a...

And a hat was caught briefly on cameras. And, you know, it would have been nice if there were more cameras around the building, right? Yeah. And, and you usually learn the motive after. You identify the person, you get a name, then you go and begin the investigation into their digital life. And that's where you can find a lot of the information that points to a particular ideology or reason why they chose this extreme act. Joining us on our newsmaker line is Eric O'Neill. He's a former FBI counterterrorism and counterintelligence operative. Eric, let me ask you this. Greg and I have been seen this video of this. Person of interest. Jack, kind of walking through neighborhoods, sometimes he turns around, doesn't appear to be hardly any pedestrians on the street or cars on the street. What is he doing there? I mean, any idea? It does not seem like a road well travel. It just seems like he's one. You'll see someone randomly there, but these are not neighborhoods where you're seeing a lot of foot traffic. What would that? Yeah. What do you draw? What is he glean from that? And is this video before the shooting, after the shooting? Do we know at this point, Eric? I, you know, I might be incorrect in this, but I believe it's from before the shooting. And he's because I think there was a report that he was loitering or this is the individual who is loitering before the shooting. And, you know, the way that he's acting and the way he's moving, he may be, you know, have planned this and now he's getting his courage up. Or he's waiting for the exact time that he's planned to go in. And he got there early and now he's just waiting for that time that he planned. It does suggest that there was some planning. It's not like he just came right off the street and decided to go in. I also saw a report that the building he chose. had a bit of a deficiency in the cameras, in that there, you know, it was an older building that didn't have the upgraded technology yet. You know, and perhaps he knew that. But, you know, the hard thing about the situation and situations like this is there's so much conjecture without facts. I usually, as an investigator, former and current investigator, I love facts. You know, facts of what drives. It drives a true and clear narrative and conjecture can sometimes run in the way of getting to those facts. On our newsmaker line, Eric O'Neill, former FBI operative, talking about the Brown University investigation. More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio 1059, KNRS. Man, we drank water out of the hose. We drank water out of the hose. Left in the morning, didn't come back till night when the street light lamps came on. Road bites without helmets. What happened to the good old days? Well, we came across a great article about that. Joining us on our newsmaker line to talk about this is Kelsey Piper. She is a contributor at the Archie.

magazine and she said as we became more affluent throughout the years all of a sudden our children were less free what has happened kelsey thanks for joining us why did you decide to dig into this issue So the argument my organization does polls, and we asked parents at what age is it appropriate to leave a kid home alone. I think many of us as kids, you know, we were eight, we were nine, we depends a little bit on whether you're trustworthy kid are going to immediately raid the sugar cupboard. We got 35% of adults in the U.S. answering our poll said it was not appropriate until a child was between the ages of 14 and 17. So I saw that. And I was like, something has gone horribly wrong. Yeah. You know, you're right. I was a fair. I've told our audience, I was raised a feral child. My mother was a single mother. She worked a lot. So I was not supervised. Left home alone, you'd have to count the hours my mother was home. for me and I'm not saying that's the norm but doesn't doesn't some of that autonomy or being able to be left home alone or go out for the day and come back at night create self-start you know you find your own entertainment you're you're doing things you're out there aren't there some life skills learned from a childhood that's not overly supervised It's often really, they take a lot of pride in being independent, being able to get wherever they want to go under their own power, even in working. And we've moved very far away from allowing teenagers to work or encouraging teenagers to even have like a part-time or a summer job. But all of that, being left home alone, being able to go to your friend's house, working a job that builds like being a person, being part of the world, not... having to just listen to your parents about everything. That's good for kids. Kelsey, what happened? I mean, you know, Greg and I were talking about this this morning in our morning meeting. Neither one of us ever wore a helmet when we rode a bike. You know, we didn't get a carpool to go to school. We had to walk to school. I mean, and there's so many other issues. What happened? Why did we move in the direction we're in now? Yeah, so I think a big part of it is that we got a lot richer as a society. Our kids stopped dying. And it is, if you compare to a century ago, kids did die in accidents pretty regularly. So there was a real trade-off here. And as we got wealthier as a society, we're just not willing to tolerate that trade-offs. And then family sizes shrank. And that's got to be part of it, right? You can't keep a close eye on seven kids. You just can't. But if you have two parents and one kid, you know, you're probably going to be hovering over their shoulder a little bit more. And family sizes are smaller than they've ever been. So I think these play a part. But then the other thing I talk about in the article is once some of your neighbors have these extremely high expectations about supervision, then...

That is sort of a killing effect on the whole neighborhood. Like we had some respondents to our poll say they would call CPS over a 10-year-old playing alone at the park. Now, I would never call CPS over a 10-year-old playing alone in the park. But if my neighbor calls CPS on me, then I'm going to be more reluctant to let my kid go to the park the next time, right? So a small number of people with these very intense expectations can change the behavior of lots more parents. So I wouldn't say that the two examples I'm going to share are best practices. I think this is what probably contributed to a high mortality rate amongst children. But I didn't just ride bikes to get from point A to point B. We jumped bikes. We found ramp. We tried to see who could jump the furthest, go down a hill as fast you can. At the bottom of the hill, hit the ramp. And then we would mark where the back tire would land first. And there's trees on either side. Also, when I remember being really young. my mother's armrest for the, you know, the satellite, Plymouth satellite, I would sit on it like so I could see out the window, like a launch pad. I would sit and watch out the window so I could see. That's, I don't think we should go back to that necessarily. But is there some happy medium here? I mean, you can't just keep coddling children to the point where they don't know any self-determination as they get older, but not go back to the, you know. times where it's a miracle I'm still here. So what would you say to parents and maybe if you could decide? What would be that happy medium? That's sort of the question, right? Because I agree you don't want your kids taking risks with their lives. And also you are wronging your kids if they are making it nearly to adulthood without getting to do their own thing. And one... personal story, we have a six-year-old. The other day, he decided he wanted to go to the convenience store and buy some Oreos. He is not allowed to go to the convenience store. He crosses the big street. He just went out by himself. When he got to the big street, he like waved down a nearby pedestrian and got help crossing the street, bought his Oreos, got help coming back. And I was mad. I was scared. I was also proud. He was so proud of himself. Like, to him, this was one of the best experiences ever. And it's like, what do you do with that as a parent? Like, of course I'm not going to tell my six-year-old, yeah, you can go cross that big street with no light. But also, if they never get the chance to exercise those muscles and set their own goals, that's not right for them either. You know, Kelsey, we've had on this show numerous times over the years, Lenore Skenezy, who really works in the effort for free-range kids. As a matter of fact, here in the state of Utah, we've adopted some laws to allow free-range kids and kids to go out. Do you get a sense that things are changing, that parents do want to give their kids a little more freedom, or they still reluctant to do so maybe because they're concerned about their safety, maybe even peer pressure, not to do some of these things? What's your take on it? I think there is a little more momentum in the free-range kids' direction. And in terms of some states saying, okay, we can't have CPS going after good parents because they let their 10-year-old play at the park. We are going to set some sort of minimums and say, no, that's not child neglect. No, that's not a problem. And you need some of that, like, formal structure to sort of push back because you've got all these, like, informal things.

that push in the direction of excessive supervision. So if you don't take a sort of big picture approach and intentionally make laws and make policies and sort of say, this is not what we're doing, then it's easy to just keep sliding down that ramp. So I really hope things will turn around. I think the world where kids are online all the time and can barely do anything in the real world, it's not good for them. It's not good for society. So we've got to sort of... get this turned around. Boy, I couldn't agree more. Kelsey Piper with the argument talking about this. We're going to talk about it in the 5 o'clock hour because, Greg, where did our freedom go? Where did they go? Look, it's a tight rope I get. I think that my upbringing isn't, I wouldn't call, as I said in the interview, best practices. But I think I'm better for it. I didn't know. It doesn't kill you. It makes you stronger. So here I am. We'll get to your phone calls on this. We want to hear from you on this coming up. on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio 1059, KNRS. Michael is in Saratoga Springs tonight. Hi, Michael. Welcome to the Rod and Greg show. How are you guys doing? We're doing well. Thank you. Your thoughts on this, Michael. So my mom's, I was three years old when I started being by myself. And I even, Toys R Us was one of my babysitters or my mom's car while she worked. and nowadays my kids are asking me to open up their ketchup packets, and I'm like, you guys should be cooking my dinner. There you go, Michael. I'm going to open up a ketchup packet. I'm telling you, you're old school. I like you. I think it does make you stronger. Yep. Yeah, it does. Like, I think it makes you stronger and makes you more self-reli-like. I keep telling my kids, I'm like, go explore the mountains or something, go get lost or something. Yes. Yeah. They don't want to leave your sidebill. So did you ever hear, and they said, I don't know what to do. If you don't find something to do, I'll find something for you to do. You ever hear that? I did. And none of that was good. It wasn't like they wanted to take me to the amusement park. It meant work. Yeah, that always went work. You're right, Michael. It teaches some independence. We want to get into your course. By the way, if you want to read Kelsey's article, it's on our X page. Just go to X and search at Rod and Greg Show. E. Ray has posted the article there, and you can read it, give you a little background as to what we're talking about. But when we come back, we want to hear from you. The freedoms that you enjoyed as a kid growing up, and we had a lot of them back then, maybe your kids don't have those freedoms today. What on earth happened? I mean, think about what you used to do, but you don't allow your kids to do it anymore. Why not? Yeah. They're missing out, folks. We've raised a bunch of soft kids. I'll just say it. We find out if that's true or what we need to do about it. All right, your calls, your comments coming up. Don't forget, live coverage of the president's address to the nation in two hours, and you'll hear it live on Talk Radio 1059, KNRS. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 racing. Another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Chumba. Jump in at chumbacasino.com. Let's Chumba. No purchase necessary. VTW Group. Boyd were prohibited by law. CTNCs, 21 Plus. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. All right. The president is speaking to the nation in a couple of hours. We're going to be carrying that live. I think, you know, I hope the approach he takes, Greg. I think I mentioned this earlier. I think he needs to say this is where we've been.

This is where we are today and this is where we're going in the coming year. And I think he needs to lay that out to the American people because he has accomplished so much. I mean, just highlight the border, gas prices. I mean, just go through the list. It's an easy list to talk about. It is. And this is my prediction. So when he's, you know, when they do those little press gaggles or whatever they call them, you know, where he just, they're on Air Force One and he'll just wander back there and they'll just all gather around. There's so much spontaneity to those questions and answers. Tonight's address, there's a lot of thought, good, good leaders, good people around him that really want to do what you just said and lay out the case because one of the things he's saying that I think is being misinterpreted by the public, at least some of the public, is when they said, Mr. President, how would you grade your work, your efforts on the economy? Yeah. A plus, plus, plus, plus, plus. Yeah. Now, if you feel like the economy is not serving you and you hear A plus plus plus plus, you think that the president might be detached or overstating. Not listening. Good things. Maybe, yes, there's a bunch, not a positive response. If you were to hear his, you know, A plus plus plus rate, great, he gives himself if the economy doesn't feel that way to you. What he's saying, I think he's what he's saying, is that interest rates low. Inflation, now two and a half percent, it's lower. you're still eating the 20% inflation accumulatively over the four years of Biden. So now we're at 23% or 22%. So we're still lugging around that 20% that Biden created. But things are pointing the right direction. And as Stephen Moore has said on our show, you've got tax returns coming that will be sending back returns that rebates back to taxpayers that because of the big beautiful bill that are going to be bigger than anticipated, I think. That's going to be a good sign. uh everyone says that that uh wage growth has to outpace inflation i think that's going to happen i think that's what tonight should be that i should he should take he should show the inventory of low gas prices a border that people are even self-deporting that that's freeing up housing that there's a lot of good things happening uh but we're looking at this next year to you can't fix it all right away but you can see the good signs And then and build some anticipation of the good times to come. But don't say everything is perfect now. That's what Biden said. And when people were feeling the opposite and it made them look detached. So I hope that that, I hope that's the message tonight that there's a lot of accomplishments. But. We're not, you know, we're still on a whack. Yeah, yeah. And we'll talk, we'll hear what he has to say here in a couple of hours, and you'll hear it right here on Talk Radio 1059 KNRS. All right. Last half hour, if you weren't listening, we had a great conversation with Kelsey Piper. She wrote this article about, you know, as this nation has become more prosperous over the years, a lot of the freedoms and things that we used to do as kids, we don't do anymore. I mean, we have almost the word she used. We've suffocated our children. They can't do the things that we used to do. Well, what happened and why? And that's why we want to hear from you tonight as to where did those freedoms go that, Greg, you enjoyed? I enjoyed. We had a, there's a lot of fun out there. We had enjoyed. But think about it. I mean, if you list the things, Greg, that we never did as kids, we never wore helmets. No. Did you ever wear a helmet? Heaven's no. Uh-huh. I still wouldn't wear one.

I don't ride bikes because I'm a grown man. I've talked about this before. But if I was forced on a bike, I would not put a helmet on. I do wear a helmet when I ride a bike, and here's why. Well, you've given up. Here's why. And you just give up. No, no, I have not given up. My grandchildren wear helmets, and they ask me, Grandpa, where's your helmet? So, so I don't want to tell them. You tell them to take their helmets. You tell them. Isn't that the point of what we're saying here? But listen, is the playground equipment you and I grew up? Still around with it's still around today. No, never, never. It's gone. swings, the merry-go-round things, the teeter, seesaws, you name it, they're all gone. Do you know what we had when I was a kid? We had old fire trucks. They would put up on blocks at the park. Yeah. And they take the, you know, so just put the nuts and bolts of it. You could crawl on. You know, these had sharp edges. They had a tank that you could crawl on inside of. And these are sharp edges. These are not. There's nothing to catch you if you fall off the top of it. But, you know, you wouldn't see any of that now. Yeah. Car seats. Now, car seats, I think, are a good idea. Yes, I think we've actually advanced the society over. Car seats and seatbelts. I never wore seatbelt. I never, car seats and seatbelts were irrelevant to me until my adult life. Yes, yeah. My wife will tell the story. She said, you know, she would crawl into the back window of their car when she was just timed. To go to sleep. Yeah. You know, and never thought twice about it. So that, that's good. Carpooling. I walked to school until we moved to an area that we were like five miles outside of town where we couldn't walk to school. Even though my dad would probably think about that. But we'd take school buses, right? We didn't take a bus. But walking to school, when I grew up through elementary school. We didn't carpool. We walked to school. Elementary school, I had to walk. And then when I got in high school, when I got all those detentions, I had to walk home from the high school, which was super far from my house. That was lousy and cold weather. And you were talking about this. We had a run of the town. We would go everywhere. Yes. Yeah. So where I grew up, there were trails in the woods that you could get you from one side that were actually even faster than the roads. You didn't want to be on the busiest of roads for obvious reasons. And we didn't have these like really clean berms that you could ride, you know, comfortably. It was like... asphalt cinders it was like you just just wasn't as safe anyway do you take the you take the trail in the woods till you get to a road you go on the road for a while you get back in the woods you go through another part to get to denny superette to get the calderones to get to these different places you want to go and you are you're 10 years old and the world is your oyster and then when you're done going to playing donkey Kong and getting some you know big league chew the bubble gum that look like chew and you're done doing that you go down to the crick

Not the creek, but the creek. And then you go and you pull your shoes and socks up, and then you pull these big rocks out, and you catch these little crayfish. They look like little lobsters. Yeah, yeah. You know, you jump off things. You were talking about on your bikes. Man, you'd do jumps. And we'd jump kids. We'd line the kids up. We'd put them like railroad tracks under the ramp, and then we would jump over, see how many kids we could jump. You'd find things to entertain yourself. We can't do that anymore. I mean, we're, as Kelsey said, we're almost suffocating our children. And that is so wrong. I mean, you learn so much when you're out on your own. Even when you're a young kid, you learn, I probably shouldn't do that again. Well, look, there's a lot of kids. And, you know, if you don't have something to do, when parents said, we'll find something for you to do, it was going to be chores, work, something like that. So what you were expected to do is go. Go be a kid. Go do something. Get out from underneath our feet. Well, that makes you a self-starter. What am I going to do with my day? You get to your friends. What are we going to do? We built tree houses. Yep. Now, I shouldn't admit that we went to neighboring construction sites of apartments to get our wood and supplies. It's not like we could go into Home Depot and get stuff for home. I wouldn't recommend that anymore. No, and that's not a best practice. I'm just saying that it was creative problem solving as a young, young kid. uh where are we going to get the nails and everything else and the wood we found it just was growing somewhere that we could just use a nice plywood everything else but no you'd you'd find things to do and i'll tell you the other thing we do pick up games oh yeah in a minute baseball football in the fall and winter it was football and the spring and summer it was baseball and we would play both and it was the neighborhood and sometimes our neighborhood would go across the street and play the other kids from the other neighborhood that we knew from school i mean Stuff like that happened all the time. Now, for the parents that have the, you know, the academies, the soccer or the basketball academies, and then they have a trainer that's training their team or their kids, and then they have, you know, lessons for instruments and they have, I mean, there's very regimented extracurricular activities going on in families now, and I'm not judging against it. No, no. But I am saying that there has to be something to the feral nature of our generations going backwards where... affluence didn't provide you couldn't find a parent that had any time to come watch a game they're all working yeah nobody was coming to so i was in little league baseball and that only came yeah my parents never i played baseball he played hockey My dad, he was small business owner. He didn't have time. I had one season where my grandpa, Francis McGuire, World War II veteran, he came to my baseball games one year. One year. And that was pretty cool. And I was, I love that. All right. Where did the freedoms go that we as kids enjoyed, but our kids can't do today or do under certain conditions? We want to hear from you. 888-5708010. On your cell phone, dial pound 250. Or leave us a comment on our talk. back line by downloading the iHeart radio app let's go to the phones we begin in oram tonight with mary mary how are you welcome to the rod and gregg show thanks for waiting

Hi, back in 1955, when I was five years old, my aunt would give me some breakfast. It was milk toast. You've ever heard of that? And then she'd say, okay, go out and play and be back before dark. I was only five years old. And my friends and I, we lived in the Happy Valley right across the street from lower campus of BYU on that whole block. We had so much fun. It was just like in, do you remember Spanky and Darla? Yes, Little Rascals. Little Rascals, of course. It was just like that. Back in 1955, that was how I was. And it was so much fun. And we would go and get our own lunch. We would sell flowers, pick people's flowers, and go sell them at their door. And then we would get pop bottles, and then we'd go get corn out of people's backyard. We wouldn't even come home for lunch. It would just come home before dark. I love it. Yeah, home for dark. That's the rule. So this is a judge-free zone, folks. Whatever you've done as a kid, we want to hear the stories because I don't know that 2025. Looks very familiar when you think about how we grew up. It does. All right. We'll take a break and we'll come back. A lot of people weighing in want to comment on this. 888-5801010.1.00. Dial pound 250 on your cell phone and say, hey, Rod, or download the iHeart Radio app and leave us a message on our talkback line. We want to hear from you. It is the Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio 105-9, KNRS. We've got an update on what is happening to that deranged nurse in Chico, California, who berated a target employee for wearing a red shirt. that supported Charlie Kirk. There's some new information coming out on that lady, and it runs in the family. We'll talk about that. Right now, we're talking about the freedoms that we enjoyed as kids. You know, what happened to them? I mean, kids and bikes and helmets and car seats, which we support, by the way, we're against car seats. But a lot of the freedom that we enjoyed as kids doesn't happen anymore. Why? Let's go to the phones. Yeah, let's go to Judy, who's from Sunset. Judy, welcome to the Rod and Greg show. Thank you for holding. What do you think about this? Hello, it is Ryan, and I was on a flight the other day playing one of my favorite social spin slot games on Chumbacasino.com. I looked over the person sitting next to me, and you know what they were doing? They were also playing Chumba Casino. Everybody's loving, having fun with it. Chumba Casino's home to hundreds of casino-style games that you can play for free anytime, anywhere. So sign up now at Chumba Casino.com to claim your free welcome bonus. That's Chumba Casino and Live the Chumba Life. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary.

Okay, honey, I'm going to do this real quick, okay? I'm 74. I did all those things when I was a young kid. I mean, everything running around, we were just zombies. Doing things till 10, 11 o'clock at night. Move forward to when I had my kids. My daughters are now in their 40s. They both babysat when they was 10 years old. Oh, yeah. But I still would keep my eye on, and my son did football, basketball, craziness, everything playing. Well, now move up to my grandkids, and I'm going to just because I've gotten 12, so I'm not going to speak on all of them, but I'll speak of my one. He's 17 going to be graduating, but when that darling boy, because he was living with me with his mom, 12 years old was going around all of our neighborhood here in sunset, as knocking on doors to ask if he could help with their yards. Wow. And he was making money, and the cutest thing, we even got him little business cards wrote up. Oh, that is great. And like I said, he's 17 now and he wrestled and he does all that kind of stuff. But here's the issue that you're talking about. If I had my kids right now in two days' day, I will not let them go outside alone. I wouldn't let them go any place unless I could pick up and drive because of the pedophiles on the Internet. that are literally tracking our kids. Yeah, it is a different world today. And we've had a couple of messages on that as well. The world has changed, unfortunately. And you can't give them the freedom that we once enjoyed. And that's sad. That's sad. Let's go to Craig and Holiday. Craig, thank you for holding. Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Hello. Hello. Are you there? Can you hear me? You can hear you. Go ahead. Okay, anyway, let me tell you, when I would go to elementary school, I'd walk, and I fell in love with the little girl that was in the orchestra. So I came home and told my mom and dad I wanted to play the cello. But I didn't think about carrying the cello for the snow for six years. Oh, you learned something, huh, Craig? But you were committed. You were not daunting. You did it.

Hoochie mama that dumped me and I'm still stuck with a cello. So once you found out you had to carry this cello through the, you still did it. Craig, you still carried that thing. Oh, I was, yeah, but, yeah, but. She led me on that we were a couple, so I just, I mean, I was dragging it through the snow, and my brothers would laugh and giggle. My brother played a violin, he threw it over his shoulder. Here I am dragging the thing through the snow. My mom and dad actually, and my mom and dad actually videoed it, so I've got the video. That's hilarious. Do you still play that cello? Yeah. Let me tell you, when we grew up, it was all different. My dad was in the Navy, and when we got out of school, the first day out of school was you get your head shaved or you get a Mohawk. So we'd take a Mohawk, my brother and I, we'd throw a shotgun over our shoulders. We'd go out and shoot pheasants and quail. Oh, yeah. And it was great, because it'd bring them home. My dad was happy about the foliage and everything. But the problem was is when we got a little bit radical, we started putting our Mohawks into points with gasoline, and then we got into dyes. And my dad, who was the state president of bishop, put the kibosh on that real quick. Yeah, I probably didn't appreciate that. I remember getting my hair buzzed? I like that. Every summer. Right out of school, dad take us down to the barbershop. We'd get it. Chello playing, Mohawk wearing, spiky-haired, color, dyed. Things we did for the affection of young ladies. Yes, he was living life. Yeah. I love it. Okay, let's go to Bill in Salt Lake City. Bill, thank you for holding, and welcome to the Rodding Greg Show. Yes, I'm 56 years old, and back when I was 7, 8 years old, I grew up one block east of Utah State University campus. That campus was the playground of every elementary school student up there on that hill behind the university. Oh, yeah. We had our free run of the... We go over to the Taggart Student Center and we go to the arcade. We go bowling. When I was 14, I rode my bike from Logan from the campus. all the way to Preston, Idaho for a hamburger. Wow. And then hitchhiked back to Logan. Nice. See, Bill, that's what I'm talking about. I'm the same age. I think that's, you know, we were very resilient. Yeah, thank you, Bill. As a matter of fact, I was thinking, because once we moved outside of our hometown, we were five miles out of town, and I'd say to my dad, dad can't get a ride into town. He'd laugh. Stick your thumb out. Catch a ride. And that's what I do. You don't do that anymore. No more hitchhiking. Yeah, I think we're going to a break. But when we come back, I think there's some actually, we have some callback calls that maybe point out some of the barriers to this. It's not just parents, you know, being overprotective. It is. And some of our callers pointed out. It's a scarier world today than one we grew up in. And so there are some things that we should consider as well. But it's tough that we don't have that kind of freedom for kids to really, you know, go out and explore. get away from phones and, you know, technology and just be kids. Your calls and talkback comments coming up on the Rodding Greg Show and Talk Radio 1059, KNRS. Bro, I tease that Draper is Draper Soft. These kids haven't known a date of want. Yeah. You call your kids that all the time. I tease them. I tease them. I tell them that they're soft. Yeah. They like to try and prove otherwise. They can be tough, but it's all relative, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we're talking about this. A recent survey.

done by The Argument Magazine found that 36% of those people who responded believe kids shouldn't be left home alone until they're between the ages of 14 and 17. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 racing. Another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Chumba. Jump in at chumbacasino.com. Let's Chumba. No purchase necessary. VTW Group. Boyd were prohibited by Ma. CTNCs, 21 Plus. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. Hmm. Meanwhile, 36% said parents letting a 10-year-old play alone in a park for three hours should trigger an investigation by child protective services. Mm-mm. Uh-uh. Mm-mm. Yeah. Now, times have changed. We admit that, right? But you know what? Some of those freedoms that we enjoyed as kids have been taken away. And what benefit has that... been for the kids i i i think they've lost a little their creativity certainly their independence the ability to grow up and figure out things for themselves you know the um you know the saying hard times create tough people tough people create good times good times create soft people soft people create hard times yeah hard times create so it's a cycle yeah um it's biblical it's scriptural in terms of generations and how they prosper and what prosperity does to a society in terms of its degradation. And so I think, you know, as your quality, I think that these are concerns we should have. But let's go to some of those talkback calls because I think there's some that point out some of the external challenges that parents have that really aren't decisions they're making about trying to coddle their kids too much. They just, we live in a different time. Here's one of our listeners who lifted this message on our talkback line. Hey guys, I'm all with you on the good old days, but a couple of things that have gone wrong. One, our country has become one of the most litigious societies on planet Earth. So no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions anymore. And two, we have an abundance of creepers in the world. I, in my neighborhood in Orham, I have probably 10, 15 registered sex offenders that live around me. Don't really want my kids hanging outside. Yeah. Don't blame them at all on that one, Greg. He does make a good point. You brought up a point when you were in the legislature. What a silly idea this is. There was an effort that would impact ski resorts here in the state. So I ran the bill. This was a long time ago, but I was asked to run a bill. These attorneys, they wanted there to be padding around all trees at ski resorts in the downhill slopes. And they wanted anything that you could run into that could. potentially cause harm to be padded. To have a pad around. And so it was going to do something with the snowboard parks where they have those half pipes and things. They wouldn't be able to do them because you could potentially get hurt. So I ran a bill and the bill basically allowed for these ski resorts to say when you're buying your ski lift pass that you assume the risk inherent to downhill skiing. And that includes not skiing into trees and whatever. Just skiing within your ability, all of that. And so again. If the lawyers had it their way, all these ski resorts would be just responsible for nobody ever getting a boo-boo when they're skiing. And it's just not practical. And so we had to run that legislation to prevent more litigious behavior coming out of our state. So how many trees are on a typical skewer? Can you and they literally, we said, I asked the person who was arguing for this because, you know, they don't, they don't let you write a bill without.

arguing against it and i'd have meetings with them and i'd say tell me what this even looks like and they they came with this artist rendering of these pads that you would just like wrap around the tree are you kidding me i would i would have the same reaction to that it was all right before we get another talkback comment let's go back to the phones uh amy is in sandy tonight listening to the rotting gregg show amy how are you thanks so much for joining us I'm fine. Thank you. Hey, my comments really quick. I agree with a lot of what everyone's saying. I just think that these, some of these bad things, especially with the pedophiles, have existed for a very long time. We're just more aware of it now. I mean, nearly every person I know who grew up pre-2000 was... had a negative interaction with a friend's father or brother or something almost all of them have we're just more aware of it now so those things existed then they just yeah yeah amy and because of that do we have more rules more safeguards and plates because we're more aware of it than we used to be Yeah, and I think also, right, you lived in a tiny little community. Right now, our community is the entire world because you can connect with the entire world and start your stories or whatever it is. But that's not the case. You had like when I grew up, it was your little neighborhood and you all had to be friends with each other. You didn't have a choice. Yeah. And now that we have this whole world to interact with. we're just more aware of these things, and they cause us anxiety and fear. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I've heard this before, Greg, you know, around Halloween time, there's always this story about somebody who slipped in a razor blade into an apple. Back in the day, yeah. I've always heard, never happened. There's not one case of that ever happening. I remember that in first grade hearing that. Yeah, yeah. That would have been 1976. Yeah, not one case of it has ever happened, from what I understand. Wow. Amazing. All right, let's go back to our tarquack lines. Here's another listener with a comment. Hey Rod and Greg. The thing I really cherish memories of is we went down to Foster's Freeze in Danville, California to go get ice cream. And we would ride in the back of my dad's old 50 Chevy pickup truck in the back bed leaning against the tailgate. And those are cool times. But yeah, you can't do that anymore for safety reasons. Yeah, I remember riding in the back of a pickup truck. Yes, absolutely. Can't do that anymore. Yeah, I understand it. I get it. How about this? Caller shared this memory. Their dad grew up in downtown Salt Lake a long time ago, and they and their friends used to go up to the Capitol and play hide and seek in the Capitol building. Would that be fun? Huh? That'd be fun. Yeah. That would have been something else. That would have been one grand game of hide and go seek. Yeah, well, that caller or the talkback comment we had about a person, you know, growing up as a kid, they'd go to like Foster's Freeze and get an ice cream cone back then. I remember.

I think Gary Queen was the first kind of franchise that came into our hometown. The next one was Kentucky Fried Chicken. Oh, wow. Years and years ago, right? The problem was it was on the other side of town. Right. We didn't care. We wanted Kentucky Fried Chicken and we'd walk across town to get it. Man, I love Dairy Queen. I loved going there. But what we had is we had, we call them a goody bar man, but it was a good humor truck. Oh, yeah. Play the music. Yeah. And I would get, I would try to borrow money off of anybody. I try to get, I'd get an Italian ice because that would last the longest. I tried to figure out what could I buy that I could just keep scraping away and eating longer than anything else. It was the Italian ice. I get it. I would never get anything but an Italian ice. Just because I could eat it forever. It lasted longer. Yeah, it was an ice cube. It was a brick. And I just had this little wood spoon and I would just scrape it and eat it. Anyone who got ice cream there done inside of three minutes. Yeah. I had this thing for an hour. Yeah. You know? It was great. I'd chase those guys. I swear those Goody Bar Man, they'd see you. They'd just make you chase them. Just for amusement. Oh, yeah, they would. More your calls, more your talkback comments coming up on the Rod and Greg Show. Don't forget, live coverage of the president's address to the nation coming up at 7 o'clock. Joining remotely tomorrow and then Friday I'll be in studio. You'll be back in studio as we wrap up the year. Yep. I remember the song a long time ago. This is older than you. There's a song, very popular song at the time called In the Year 2020, 2025. And they looked at years ahead and what would happen? The line in it, if man is still alive. Well, we're still here. That's a scary one. I know. Isn't it? All right, let's go back to the phones. We talk about freedom for our children. We go to Eric here in Salt Lake City. Hi, Eric. How are you? Hey, Rod. Hey, Greg. How are you doing? Good. You're doing well. Thank you. Hey, something that I miss is back in the day when some jerk was road raging and wanted to pull over and fight you. You could do it, and you could punch him in the face and teach him to stop road raging and not go to jail. Yes. But if you do that in today's world, you get arrested and charged and it ruins your life. Yeah, you know, here, here. Even kids. And even these cowards, even, Eric, if you do, even if you want to teach them a lesson, half these cowards will have some weapon. They don't even want to fight. Yeah, you don't want to fight them. Yeah, you don't dare fight them anymore. Here's the thing, and I love. Even kids in school. They get in a fist fight in school, and they end up in juvie and. charges and all this garbage. It's like sometimes you just need to let kids work it out. 100%. In fact, when I saw that you were calling, I think this is actually a really important one for at least young men. I think that sometimes that's what you have to do is that you have to work it out. I made friends fighting. If you could make each other bleed, there was actually a respect born from that. Yes, you actually bonded over it. So, I mean, you... Kids, when I grew up, kids could be bullies. Kids could see someone, and if they felt like they could get over on them, they would do it. When you stood up to people, when you fought back, you established yourself. And look, I read somewhere that, how you handled adversity, adversity, and how you problem solved when you were eight or nine, whatever skill set you picked up in those ages, you carry into adulthood.

Did you run away? Did you hide? Did you have no adversity? What did you do in those eight, nine-year-old years? They're saying that that is reflected very accurately in your adult years. I'm going to tell you mine, we're good years. They were feral years. I was on my own, but you could fight. You absolutely could and should fight. You stick up for yourself. Well, as many of our listeners know, I went to parochial school. Yes. Those nuns. You did not fight in a Catholic school. No. Because if you did, you would face the wrath of the nuns. And then you played hockey and they didn't let you. No, if we played hockey, got into a fight, coach would say, you're out. Yep. And you'd be suspended for a game. He did not allow it. Yeah, I went to it. It was really different where I went to school where there was, fighting was kind of part of the experience. And we had to get bus to a different town, which we were on a bus for a long time. You put a bunch of kids that are on a bus, fourth, fifth, sixth grade, and a bus for an hour. Yeah. Someone's getting on someone's nerves. There's fights that can happen because of that time together every day. But you got off the bus. A whole bus will get off the bus stop so they could all watch it. Watch the whole fight. The whole bus will get off. It was amazing. We had a kid in school. His last name was Woodley. I remember this, right? He was the fighter. And if a school came after us, we'd turn to him. And we'd go off school property. Yeah. We'd go on the property that the church owned, the Catholic Church. See, because you could throw on a church property. Yeah, you can throw a punch. Yeah, you can throw a punch. Makes sense. on church property, not on school property. So we just go across the bridge and watch him fight it out. Yeah, I think a lot of... He was a kid who smoked when he was like 12. See, that would be the kid Woodley that would be ready to scrap. Yeah, I think these little cowards that have weapons and guns and all the stuff. It's just so sad because I do think that there are some lessons that you can learn by just, and especially if you're a kid, you're not going to really hurt each other as bad as if you're adults. Let them fight. Yeah. That's what I say. Or go to a box like you went boxing school. Yeah, that's good. That's a healthy way. All right. More coming up. Third hour of the Rotting Great Show and then the president's address to the nation. Toleretic here from 2311 racing. Game nights fun until someone spends five minutes lining up one shot. Chalk. Breathe, rechalk, still aiming. While they figure it out, I fire up Chumba Casino. I can spin anywhere, anytime, and there's always a new social casino game every week. Spins happen way faster than that shot. Play now at Chumbacasino.com. Let's Chumba. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group, voidware prohibited by law, 21+, terms and conditions apply. Still to come on Talk Radio 105.9.

All right, we've got a busy hour coming your way. Of course, we're getting ready for the president to speak to the nation. He will do so at 7 o'clock hour time, and you'll hear that right here on KNRS. But we've got a lot of other things to get to as well. We were talking to the last hour about the freedom that our children have and how they've lost that over the years, you know, different. We understand days are different. Another issue, of course, is dealing with climate change. And kids coming home from school now, Greg, and are fearful about what's going on with a climate because they hear that in school. You have, you know, we've heard stories about children or young couples who don't want to have children anymore because they don't want them to grow up in a world leaving a carbon footprint. I mean, it's gotten kind of crazy. And I take it right back to they didn't drink water out of the fire hose. They didn't run around all day. So now they get overly scared about climate hoax. Yeah, climate hoaxes and sun like that. Well, this week marks the, I think it's the 10th anniversary of the Paris Climate Accord. It was 10 years ago, and it has been a decade, I think, of disaster. Let's talk more about that. Joining us on our newsmaker line right now is Steve Malloy. Steve is a senior fellow. for energy and environmental, a former EPA transition team member for the Trump campaign. Always great to have Steve on the show. Steve, looking back 10 years ago, signed into an agreement was reached in Paris. Of all the things that annoyed you with this agreement, what annoys you the most? Wow, I don't even know where to start. You know. It's a cornucopia of annoyance. Yeah, no. Well, I guess it all depends on who you are. You know, look, first, the Paris Climate deal accomplished nothing, right? I mean, if you are concerned about emissions, emissions went up 12%. But we spent $10 trillion trying to lower them. So that's a total fail. But then there are some real consequences that people don't really talk about. The war in Ukraine, I think a large part of that is due to the Paris Climate Court because under Paris and its predecessor Kyoto, Europe outsourced its energy needs to Russia, became dependent on Russia, which is just what Vladimir Putin wanted. And that, you know, limited Europe's ability to do anything and made them vulnerable to Russia and enriched Russia. And so all you needed was a week Joe Biden come along. It was no brighter to invade Ukraine, I guess. And a million people have been killed and wounded. And so, you know, that's a cost of the Paris Alibur as far as I'm concerned. You know, the rise of Russia, you pointed out, and it's absolutely true. So you can look at the Ukraine War and think this Paris Accord absolutely contributed to it because they contributed to Russia's successful energy sector. Then you look at the Green New Deal. What a scam. How much money's been wasted? I guess my question is it didn't, emissions have gone up. Temperatures have not gone up as well. So there's no correlation or has there's, you have, as you pointed out, El Nino, Nino.

But let me ask you, people had to, I don't believe people were just ignorant when they did this. I think that people made a generational wealth doing this under the banner of we care and we care about the climate. Talk about the cap and trade deals that people do and all the money-making machines that so-called climate change agenda ignited that I don't think we give enough attention to. Okay, so let's just start out with that $10 trillion. It went someplace. It worked somebody for doing nothing. In the U.S., we had the Inflation Reduction Act, which was $1.2 trillion. Trump so far has only been able to get rid of $500 billion, so that's still in a queue someplace. California has had cap and tray, for example, since 2012, they've raised, you know, billions and billions of dollars. And, you know, all their emissions cuts through cap and tray, I mean, not only have they cost California dearly in terms of energy prices and gasoline prices, but they've also all been offset by all the wildfires. So it's just been billion for nothing. And that is really the story of... climate it's just all fraud and disaster. Steve, what about John Kerry, former Secretary of State here for the U.S., instrumental in dealing with the climate accord? What do you make of him and his role in all of this? Well, he's one of the most outrageous characters, even more so really than Al Gore. Al Gore, I can at least think, believes the crap that comes out of his mouth. But John Kerry, he knew in 2015 when he was at Paris, when he made his speech at the Paris meeting, he said that, you know, all industrial nations could stop emitting today, and it's going to make no difference. And he's absolutely right about that because of all the emissions in developing countries like China and India. So, you know, why did we spend $10 trillion for nothing? You know, I mean, he knew. And then when he became, you know, Biden's climate on the way, you know, we, we reentered Paris. We, you know, it was used as the excuse for the inflation reduction act. I mean, the whole thing has just been a disaster. You know, we're feeling an impact. There was this major push. You saw coal-fired power plants shut down without an alternative energy source ready to flip the switch on when they shut them down. We started to see a scarcity of energy generation. Now we have fuel. It's been announced by Valero Energy that they're going to write off a billion dollars to shut down a refinery in California than to try and comply with California's ridiculous regulations, really trying to do this very thing and now shut it down.

What happens when California was the third, had the third most refineries in America, the state with the third most, when that kind of supply is interrupted, they're not the only company that's completely shutting down refineries. We haven't built a new one since 77. You got Chevron doing the same thing in California. What's going to happen going forward with the lack of energy production or generation and these refineries shutting down? It is Ryan Seacrest here. There was a recent social media trend which consisted of flying on a plane with no music, no movies, no entertainment. But a better trend would be going to chumba casino.com. It's like having a mini social casino in your pocket. Chumba Casino has over 100 online casino style games all absolutely free. It's the most fun you can have online and on a plane. So grab your free. Welcome bonus now at chumbacasino.com. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. Well, the refiners are probably the scariest part because where are we going to get the gasoline from, especially a state like California, you know, because of California's crazy regulations on air quality, they require special blends of gasoline, which is one of the reasons why gasoline is so expensive in California. And if they don't make that gasoline in California, and it has to be pipelined in from someplace else, that's really going to make gasoline expensive. And I don't think Californians are going to stand for. gasoline being shipped in by drinker. That doesn't make much sense either. You know, the findings part of the California experience is that Gavin Newsom, imagine he can replace oil industry workers with state workers at these refineries. Steve, I have a final question for you. What will it take if we can to recover from this Paris climate change? And do you see it starting to happen now, or will we never be able to change it? Well, that's a great question. Well, President Trump is trying to change it. And, you know, he's making progress. But, of course, you know, the Chamber of Commerce is against getting out of it. The wind industry, the utility industry, the oil industry, you know, they, for for weird reasons, they've all sort of developed a liking for climate regulation. And it's screwing the rest of us, but it's great for them. And so, you know, people like that, they're constantly in the White House working on Trump's staff, and they're slowing things up, gumming up the works. And, of course, if you have the environmentalists doing the same thing. They have a very strong pull in Congress. It's one of the reasons one big, beautiful bill. I couldn't get rid of all of the green new scam, only some of it. So, I mean, it's a real battle, even with Republicans in charge. Steve Molloy joining us on our newsmaker line talking about the Paris Climate Accord and what happened 10 years ago and everything that we've suffered through. Fortunately, Donald Trump saw right off the bat and got rid of it as soon as he got an office, Greg. I mean, that's pretty obvious. It is. And as you heard, there's not any measurables that show that any of it had any merit to it at all. Yeah, none whatsoever. Money spent, carbon's gone up, but temperatures have gone down, everything that you would associate with.

If carbon went up, the temperatures were supposed to go up. That was kind of the thing. Yeah. So for them to go down with the carbon amount, you know, carbon going up, it's, it's, again, it's, I think there, I don't think that people were missed, I don't think that people were misguided or they thought they were right and they were wrong. I think people saw a way to make money. and play on the fears of people that wouldn't know any different. And this thing has been a scam from day one. Yeah. That's what I think. Yeah. Yeah, it has. Well, when we come back, if you didn't catch the show at the start of the show today, we played for you this audio of this nurse in Chico, California, really berating. an employee at a Target store who was wearing a red t-shirt, but a red t-shirt that had the phrase freedom across the front of him. It was obviously a Charlie Kirk to honor Charlie Kirk. It was red in line with policies of Target. And this activist leftist went after this nurse like you wouldn't believe. We will play that audio if you missed it in the 4 o'clock hour. And there are some new developments in this case today as we learn more about this nurse. and her zany family. Yes. Yeah, get ready for this, folks. That's coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio 1059, KNRS. We're about 40 minutes away from the president's address to the nation. You'll hear it live right here on talk radio 105.9. Canterass will preempt a few minutes at the Jesse Kelly show and then pick up our regular programming after the president has done talking to the nation. We've been talking today and many of you may or may not have seen this. It is some shocking video. A far left activist nurse berating an elderly target employee over her decision to wear a Charlie Kirk Freedom shirt to the Target store. This, this, to come up to an employee at Target and to speak to them the way that this woman does without regard. Before you even find out, you know, worry, I mean, frighteningly that she's a nurse, but take her profession out. Just the way an adult would treat another adult, it's, it's beyond the pale. Yeah, it really is. Well, if you haven't heard this yet or seen the video, we're going to play this back for you. Now, please understand there are a lot of. bleeps in this message because she uh she's a swear bear yeah she's nuts i really want you to listen to how this elderly employee at target i think really handled this thing very very well do they let you wear that shirt here yes why are you taking my picture why are you wearing that shirt you're working it's not a red shirt i can wear red shirt any red shirt it's not a plain shirt i don't know It doesn't have to be a... To Charlie Kirk's shirt. Yes. Oh, yes, I know. Are you fucking stupid? No. Why the fuck would you wear that? You're at work at Target. That's not a target shirt. It's not a plain red shirt. You support a racist.

It's not a racist. You support a racist. He's not a racist. Yes, he is. Yes, he fucking is. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to stand here and argue with you. You're not. You should go get your manager. You should not be allowed to wear that at work. Unacceptable. Unf-unacceptable. That's your opinion. The opinion is he's a fucking racist and you support him. Yes, your opinion now. And you should not be allowed to wear that. This is going to be taken above your fucking head. That's insane. Insane. Have the next day. In fact. That nurse or that woman, the activist nurse, has now been identified as, I believe, is pronounced Michaela Pons, works at a nurse at Enlo Health. That's a nonprofit health care system based in nearby Chico, California, where she has held patient care roles. How would you like her taking care of you? Absolutely not. She hears about the Rod and Greg show. She'd knock me off. She'd kill me. Yeah, she would. Yeah, she's nuts. That lady is crazy. How do you go up to an adult and speak to another adult that way? And getting into a grown adult's business, I mean, she has a boss. She works there. If she's not wearing the right shirt, that's handled within Target, not some wacko shopper coming up and berating her. The fact she's wearing it means that she can wear it at work. Yes. And Target has no problem. Target's had its own problems in the past, right? But in this case, not there in this woman. By the way, the health care system put out this statement late this afternoon. The name of the company is called Enlo Health. And here's what it says. EnloHealth acknowledges that the off-hours behavior by a medical assistant employed in one of our outpatient clinics, as depicted in a recent social media post, was appurant. and deeply concerning to our caregivers, our organization, and our community, the target employee who was verbally accosted in the post deserves significant credit for handling the situation in a very calm and collected manner. Unfortunately, the nurse didn't know how to do that. No. They don't talk about, so you reput you so. She wanted to go above that woman's head in terms of complaining to her supervisor about her choice of shirt that she was wearing. But then people were so offended by how she treated her. They felt that was a poor reflection on the healthcare facility. And so they put out that, that's why they put that out because they got a lot of public outrage that. That lays a nurse. Who wants to come to this? This sounds like a house of horrors. You'd have someone like that. It even gets worse, though, folks, because in the effort of finding out who that person was, by the way, she filmed, someone didn't film her doing this. She filmed herself. She's so disconnected in things that her worldview is the only view that you can have or you suffer from moral failings or intellectual failings. She posted that video. She's the one that took the video of that thing. And so she, her own actions, the woman that's being accosted didn't.

Take, didn't do it. She didn't film it and say, look what I had to put up with. That woman did it as if it were good what she did. Yeah. Well, anyway, when they found out who she was, there's a picture of her husband. Yes. And her daughter. And her daughter behind a car that has, what does it say about Charlie Kirk? It talks about Charlie Kirk being a hero and freedom and freedom with Charlie Kirk. It's like a bumper cigarettes. Obviously a supporter of Charlie Kirk. On the back of the car. Their actions are amazing. They take a selfie picture behind this car that says Charlie Kirk and he, her husband, points like his hand as a gun to his neck. Yeah. And his daughter, their daughter, is flipping off the camera and like flipping off the car but the camera at the same time. That's the nightmare nurse, the husband and their kid. Talk about the Adams family or the monsters only like in a scary movie, not a funny movie. They are, that's a nightmare family. I wouldn't go to that health care facility if I thought, think about you, I think you mentioned it. What if you had a, I have a Trump shirt. I have a, I have a, make America great hat again. Yeah. What if you wore that to this health care facility? And I get carted into there with something that would, heaven forbid, suggest that I support Donald Trump. She just, I think she would not treat me well. It's off duty. Can the company fire her? Well, look, I don't know what their laws are there. There's a lot of places that you don't have to have caused the fire. You can let it's an at-will employee. California. That is not a right to work. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's California. So I don't know. Probably not. But I'll tell you this, there's a free market. I would not go. It's California. They're all leftist there. There's probably not a Trump supporter to be found other than a target, that poor lady. But I think that anyone that behaves that way generally. that would talk to another adult the way that woman did it is amazing you wouldn't want that person delivering health care to you under any circumstance you just wouldn't there's something wrong there's something wrong with them there really is the whole family yeah this is what fatigues me the most about republican you know republican so-called leaders that say it's everyone it's everyone it's not it is not everyone folks wake up the left is violent the left is attacking the left that we it is there is no equivalent to what we're seeing here on our side. There isn't. Yeah. So anyway. All right. We've got more to say. We'll talk about the president about to make a decision on marijuana. That's coming up right here on Utah's talk radio 1059, KNRS. Now tomorrow, there is word coming out tonight, Greg, that tomorrow the president expected to sign an executive order that would reschedule marijuana to a lower drug classification, a move that would ease federal restrictions that would not mean full legalization, according to a source familiar. with the announcement tomorrow, but it is going to cause some ripples. Yeah, there was some discussion that descheduling would be a free-for-all, that recreational marijuana would be, it would just be more profitable, just, you know, just pump as much THC as you can in it. But then the medical cannabis is a different beast, but if they take it from a Schedule 1 to a Schedule 3, I think it allows for physicians to prescribe it instead of what they do right now. They use the word recommend. Yeah. because it is a schedule when they're not allowed to prescribe medical cannabis. So to help us sort this all out is our next guest. Yeah, joining us on our newsmaker line is Kevin Sabat. His title is President and CEO of Smart Approaches to Marijuana. We've had Kevin on the show for a number of years talking about this. Kevin, how are you? Welcome back to The Rod and Greg Show. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 Racing.

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If you have doctors where there is a medical cannabis, not the recreational side that's there, and they're doing this thing called recommending, what does their prospects look like? Because the theory had been, look, if it's against the law, but if they're going to start arresting doctors for doing it, there's about 30 states before you get to Utah, you can start with their published list on their website of their health department. You can start there. What's a doctor to do? If you have medical cannabis in your state, and you can recommend it right now by state law, does this change of schedule have any impact? No, it doesn't. I will say that the vast majority of doctors will not prescribe or, sorry, will not recommend. Right. You're right. We'll not recommend marijuana and because that's just an inferior drug for anything. So they don't do it. The people that do recommend the doctor, it's less than 2% of the overall doctors. So it's, honestly, this is really, now it does present a very interesting thing though because Schedule 3 drugs. all of which are FDA approved. So this is a very weird instance. We have a non-FTA approved. Central 3. It's unprecedented. Leave it to Trump to do something unprecedented. I get it. But for Schedule 3, they have advertising limitations. They have medical claim limitations. This could actually put all of them in major legal jeopardy. And they don't even know it. They're cheering this on. But I say be careful what you wish for. You know, Tylenol with codeine is a Schedule 3 drug. We can't have Tylenol with codeine in gummy bears. That's not allowed. Right. We can't have Tylenol with codeine being advertised for cancer patients as a miracle cure. Not allowed. They would go to prison, the executives, if they kept doing that. So it's going to be very interesting what this actually means as it plays out. Yeah. Kevin, I know you keep your eye on these all the time. What are some of the latest studies showing about marijuana use, especially recreational marijuana use in the, what, 30, 31 states that now allow? What are these studies starting to show? Well, they're showing a very grisly, they're painting a very, very grisly picture. And let me just tell you why. First of all, the marijuana today is not the marijuana of the past. So whatever people, bloomers think about what it was like in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and even 90s, just forget about it. It's a different drug. It's been genetically bred to be completely different, much stronger than before. So we're seeing a couple of things we've never seen before. We're seeing very quick onset, long-lasting psychosis. Some of that psychosis is leading to violence. We've never seen that before. It's huge. We're saying schizophrenia, huge. Worst thing you could ask for for anybody, schizophrenia. We're seeing a link. We're seeing heart disease, 42% increased risk. We're seeing stroke, 25% increased risk. We're seeing diabetes fourfold increased risk. So things that we had never seen before, that's just from this year, by the way, guys. That's not even, I'm literally talking about studies like that come out in the last six months.

So we're seeing things we have never seen before, and it's causing a lot of problems. One of the discussions happening in Utah is in this space is that when the law says in Utah that you have to have a certain percentage of a max of THC or whatever, the scary part that's happening is the remaining percentage, it could be a... A cannabinoid nobody knows or something that was artificially produced. And there's no understanding of what's in that that could have an adverse effect on someone's body. So there's an issue about purity and things like that. What about the other things that are in these products that they're selling that people don't know anything about? The people selling it don't know. Couldn't tell you what's in there. Do you have any? Are you dialed into that at all? Yeah, no, definitely. It's completely unknown what's in this stuff. This is the myth of regulation. This is what we were told. If we legalized or medicalized, we could actually know what's in it. We don't know what's in it because these labs, half of them are bogus. They're owned by the same people that own the actual pop shops and invested by the same people. It's a completely shady, shady industry for me the most part. So the bottom line is we don't actually know what's in it. I tell people, buyer beware. You do not know what you're getting from these pot shops. I don't care how regulated or how slick you think the packaging is. You just don't know. And what we're finding when we do independent testing is increased mold. bacteria, rodenticides, pesticides. Marijuana is a finicky plant. It's a very energy intensive plant. That's why, you know, anybody who cares about the environment, frankly, I can't imagine them wanting to use marijuana because the amount of energy marijuana, especially the indoor growth. It's crazy, much more than fossil fuels per item that are being used. So it's, we don't know what's in it. They don't want to waste the products. So if there's mold, they try and brush it off and keep it there. but they can't tell if there's microscopic mold or other things going on. You really don't know what's in it. You also don't really know the THC content. They're finding the labeling is all wrong. Sometimes it's way under, sometimes it's way over. You just don't know. Kevin, a final question for you. The genie is out of the bottle on this. Where do we go from here? Where do we go? I mean, you have your organization talks about smart approaches to marijuana. Where do we go from here? Well, I think where we can go is we need a lot more education. People are starting with the president, I hate to say it, but we are not getting the information out of what the science is saying. And so we need to do a much better job at that. We need much more education, including physician education, but parent education, because again, parents are dealing with something that they did not deal with. It's a completely different drug. I don't think people should be put in prison for using marijuana, but we don't need to have a false psychotomy of mask. or mass criminalization. We can actually have prevention, treatment. We need to have major limits on the company's THC limits. Nobody needs 99% pure THC. That blows your brain apart. We need much stricter limits, advertising rules. I will say some of the states are starting to reverse their policies, or at least talking about it. Massachusetts and Maine, they're going to vote in November to repeal it. So the story, you know, this isn't over yet.

Kevin, always great chatting with you. Thank you. We appreciate a few minutes of your time tonight. Thanks for having me. Thank you, guys. All right, on our newsmaker line, that's Kevin Sobet. He is the CEO of Smart Approaches to Marijuana. Again, the president expected to make an announcement on reclassifying marijuana to rescheduling, I think is what they call it. That could be coming up tomorrow. Yep. Yeah, I'm going to tell you, there's a lot going on there. I think there's good players in this space. But there are certainly bad players. I think there is an efficacy to medical cannabis, and I think there's a way to get to purity where you don't have these things in it that a lot of these medical cannabis pharmacies do have unknown elements or cannabinoids in their products. I think there has to be a pharmacy grade, something in our state, like the state law that says it needs to be at a certain grade. It's defined. It's defined medically. And you have to get there. And I think that that raising the bar will either expose that none of it really works or raising the bar will show the good players that where there is things. Because I know there are cases of seizures for young children and others that this is addressed successfully. Anyway, it's, but it is, it is problematic. I will say that. We have a few more talkback comments on the discussion we had about giving children freedom today. We'll let you hear those. And remember, in just about 10 minutes, the president addresses the nation, and you'll hear it live on talk radio, 1059, KNRS. We just talked with Kevin Sabette about marijuana. We earlier had a great discussion with Kelsey Piper talking about the freedoms that we enjoyed as kids. that our kids today don't enjoy. Yeah, we drew some great commentary and observations from you, the listeners, and it was very good. It's exactly what I would expect. Yeah, well, we want to go back to some of the talkback comments. We didn't get them all in. Here's some of the comments we heard from our listeners as we talked about freedom for our children. I think the biggest thing that's changed with our kids is actually the society shunning the parents for letting them go out and explore and be an independent because the parents these days now are worried about if they do that, that they get in trouble and CPS to get called on them. So they're more watching them like a hawk instead of letting them go and do what they want. You know, neighbors who rat you out? Tell you what. Yeah. It wouldn't be neighbors much longer. No, I think that's ridiculous. Yeah. And some of the things that they think or put kids in harm's way are just ridiculous. Yeah. Here's another comment. I think Rod hit it right on the head. It's all about freedoms. We felt them as kids out playing and spending hours out alone.

Even getting a driver's license, the amount of freedom we were allowed with those. Now some days, kids don't even want to get a driver's license. Why should they? Because mom's taking care of me. Yeah, that's sad. Never getting your first driver's license? I drove before I had driver's licenses. I was driving illegally before I ever had to get, before I ever had a driver's license. I was jumping in cars and driving. Again, not a best practice, folks, not endorsing it, just confessing it. But look, technology hurts us that too because what cars, automobiles did is it allowed you to go see your friends. It allowed you to get out. Now you can get on the phone. Now you can talk to anyone anywhere. You don't need the phone to have a really long cord to take it and put it under the door of your room and shut it so you can have the phone inside of your room from the kitchen wall. You don't have to do any of that stuff. So I think that FaceTime and all of technology, it has allowed, it doesn't require. the transportation needs that young people used to need to be able to see each other or feel that way. So that plays against that feral child advantage that I think we have that they don't. Some of the steps that we have taken have been good. Car seats, good idea. Seat belts. I'm not opposed to seat belts. I like seat belts. But there are somebody to just let your kids go out and play without fear of a neighbor saying, hey, their kids are alone. I'm going to call the cops. Come on, folks. I mean, we enjoyed that. We enjoyed those freedoms. Did we get into trouble? Yeah, probably. But we figured out a way out of it. Getting trouble is good for you, too. Yeah, you learn consequences, don't you? You sure do. You sure do. So great discussion that we've had today, and we appreciate you listening to us. All right. That does it for us tonight. Head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your family, this great country of ours. Live coverage of the president's address to the nation. Coming up next. Stay with us. It's coming your way. Tyler Reddick here from 2311 racing. Victory Lane? Yeah, it's even better with Chumba by my side. Race to Chumpacasino.com. Let's Chumba. No purchase necessary. VGW Group. Voidware prohibited by law. CTNCs, 21 Plus. Sponsored by Chumba Casino.