Vicki McKenna Show - Define Crimes

We need Brandon to get to work. Katie is on the board. When did you get up? Did you get up at like two in the morning? Do you have to like... crawl out of bed at like two or three in the morning, Katie? Yeah, about three something. Oh my gosh. Okay. So, yeah, we're going to try to make this easy on Katie. Something went sideways with Brandon's alarm. And so he's just running really late. Katie's really tired. So anyway, if you're eastbound on the beltline before Fish Hatchery Road, just clear the way. Okay, clear the way. Because Brandon's going to be driving like one of those psychos. who weaves in and out of traffic trying to get to work on time. And those people are a dime a dozen on the beltline, but in this particular case, we need him to make it intact so Katie can go to sleep. And then Brandon can shake off what probably is a huge amount of stress. I did this once. I did this once. I was doing a morning show. This was back in the Z104 days. And I... I set my alarm for PM instead of AM. And so I was, I don't know, I started, my show started at 6 a.m. And I was, it was about 6.20 when I woke up. Yeah. And so you just, yeah, it just morning shifts do that to people. And it sucks. But anyway, so do us a favor. Make sure our man gets here intact. He'll be the guy driving with a really stressed look on his face and a super cool. Kelly Green plaid cap, all right? Thank you. Appreciate it. Here's what's coming up on the program. I know everybody wants, and I'm going to talk some about what's happening in Minnesota, but it's exhausting because there's nothing new. There's, it's just not new. There's, it's just the same old, same old. It's holy cats, we've got Trump with some momentum. This Maduro story is way bigger. than just the arrest of a narco-terrorist dictator. It's way bigger than that. You've heard this program for the week talking about the geopolitical global implications, talking about how this Western Hemisphere reset could reorient the power struggle, the global power struggle for superpower status. It's huge. And there's all kinds of other elements that are emerging. You've got the looming fall of Iran's mullahs. That's an amazing story. It's just an amazing thing that none of us expected to happen. It's in everything about Minnesota, Philadelphia now will get into the insipid. Gosh, I really sometimes want to bring the R word back. The insipid ridiculousness. We'll use that R word instead. In Philadelphia, no, Larry Krasner, you're not going to arrest ICE agents. That's not going to happen. No, you DEI, Sheriff, you're not going to arrest ICE agents. It's not going to happen.

It's theater and it's bad theater. It's dumb theater. When all of these other things are taking place, what is going on in Minnesota or Philadelphia or Portland or Seattle is distraction. It is distraction. It is to try to flip the script back to a place where the left is politically comfortable and can whip up hysteria in advance of campaign season. That's all it is. That's all it is. There was no reason for anybody to agitate in Minneapolis. They've pre-printed signs with Renee Good's name on them. How did you get those done so fast? They're blocking like theater directors. They're blocking their press conference. You don't mean by blocking? Staging out where everyone's going to stand, where the props are all going to be. I mean, it couldn't be more astroturf. If they put up a sign that said astro turf, but this is the garbage we're paying attention to instead of the incredible shifts in. in the world that potentially put the United States in the driver's seat for a very long time in terms of global hegemony, which is incredible. We haven't talked about those things since Reagan. We have not talked about stuff like that since Reagan because we haven't conceived of it since Reagan. It's huge. The... The larping revolutionary, the cosplay that is going on is just to stop anyone from paying attention and suddenly developing an interest in U.S. global superiority because that will necessarily help the Republicans in the midterms. Anyway, we're going to touch on some of this stuff. coming up on the program. But we're also going to do some statewide stories. The red tape reset, which could lower costs and increase affordability really quickly in Wisconsin is something we can't seem to get over the finish line. Why? Well, because we have a Democratic governor who doesn't actually want. to see those kinds of improvements because, again, helps the Republicans. We need people miserable because otherwise it helps the Republicans. Anyway, all that's coming up on the program. Again, if you're on the Beltline, eastbound before fish hatch, clear the way. And hopefully soon, Brandon, we'll be joining us. We'll take a quick break on the Vicki McKenna Show. Welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. Standing by, I have from Landmark Legal Foundation, Michael O'Neill, who is the vice president of legal affairs there, to talk about now what happens with Maduro. But first, let's just get to the first question, Michael, by the way, happy New Year, the question of the legality of the operation, the legality of the arrest.

Sure. Well, the president and the government, the Department of Justice, are on sound, solid legal footing. They're on sound constitutional footing, legal footing, and presidential footing, harking back first to 1989. There was an indictment for Manuel Noriega. The similar process was executed for that. They apprehended the United States Department of Justice apprehended with the assistance of the United States military, apprehended Manuel Noriega, brought him back to the United States for prosecution. He was prosecuted and he served a prison term in the United States. So there's a precedent for this. This has happened in the past. Now, in 2020, again, as everybody knows, Nicholas Maduro was indicted in a federal court, a grand jury found beyond... enough probable cause that he was guilty of what he was accused of doing, and that's narco-terrorism conspiracy to deal drugs, machine gun possession and a bevy of other federal felonies. So it's legitimate. The process in apprehending Nicholas Maduro was legitimate. Obviously, the military was used, but it was primary a law enforcement operation to apprehend a fugitive, to execute a criminal warrant for an arrest. Nicholas Maduro is not the recognized leader of Venezuela. Oftentimes people say, well, we went in there and we kidnapped the leader of a country. Well, the United States, for legal purposes, does not recognize Maduro as the legitimate ruler or leader of Venezuela. Instead, he is, we consider him a head of a narco-carat, narco drug cartel, the cartel della Sol. So I think a lot of the, all of the legal boxes are checked. Constitutionally, you can say that the president has a duty to ensure under the Take Care Clause of Article 2 to ensure the laws of the United States are faithfully executed. And again, this is a process where he is executing the laws of the United States by executing this arrest warrant, brought back in place in the federal criminal justice system. Keep in mind, he wasn't placed at Guantanamo Bay Cuba or a black CIA site. He is. In the criminal justice system, in a federal Department of Justice Bureau of Prisons detainment facility, his trial is publicized for the world to see. We are being completely transparent in this process. He is also being afforded all of the rights due to a criminal accused in the United States. Okay. Check, check, check, check. All boxes checked on that. All right. All right. So go away. We did not kidnap a leader. It was under indictment. He, in 2020, there was a massive bounty on his head for capture and arrest so that he could be extradited to the United States to face trial. So the indictment. One last factor of that. Bipartisan, he was recognized as a criminal fugitive. Keep in mind, Donald Trump issued the bounty initially is $15 million. Joe Biden increased that bounty to $25 million, recognizing the legitimacy of the criminal indictment. And then Donald Trump again increased it to another $50 million. So you had successive bipartisan administrations recognizing the legality and legitimacy of that criminal indictment. That is important to consider as well. Yeah, you actually had favorable commentary, mild though it was from John Brennan of all people. Right. Absolutely. Let's not get ahead of our skis lefties.

We're Thomas Massie, but I may have just been redundant there. I'm not sure. All right. So we've got all the boxes checked on this. It's bipartisan. It was a federal indictment. I'm assuming you tell me if I'm wrong. That's why it's in the Southern District of New York. Was that where the indictment was brought? And is that the reason why we're going to New York? A couple of reasons. Yeah, the Southern District of New York is where they convened the grand jury and issued the indictments from. Also, SDNY is where our most experienced prosecutors reside. Well, the reputation within the Department of Justice is the hard-charging, high-profile investigations, FBI there, law enforcement resources there, prosecutors in that office are our most experienced prosecutors who are really best equipped to handle these sorts of high-profile prosecution. So that's really why it came out of the SDNY. Okay. So, and the SDNY has been cleansed of morons. So it's not like, you know, you're, you're, you've got, you know, Alvin Bragg or something like that. So, okay, we've got a 92-year-old judge has signed this case. There is some concern, number one, on his, you know, sort of political leanings, but two on his age and the fact that, at least from what I'm reading, he's fallen asleep during trials. Are we worried about this judge? Is there a reason to, you know, I... I'm kind of worried about him. I'm keeping my powder dry on that. I don't have any reason right now to concern myself. I think he's in a position to call balls and strikes. Again, this is a criminal matter. I know, I know ostensibly it's a, you know, from a macro view, this is a political matter. You know, in the left, of course, there's a portion of the less a caterwauling on this, and those are the folks with Trump derangement syndrome. But I think when you really get into the nuts and bolts of a trial here, this is going to be a criminal trial. And so I think this judge is positioned. call balls and strikes in this trial and not kind of bring in any what others might see in other judges of any kind of biases. So I do think he's going to be calling balls and strikes. I really don't – I'm going to keep my powder dry as to whether he's going to bring in any kind of prejudices or biases. But I don't have any reason to think that right now. But I do think when we're talking about potential roadblocks going down the road here in New York, let's keep in mind here at the venue what we're talking about. This is a jurisdiction. that just elected Zohran Mamdani as their mayor. So there are elements with potential juror issues where you're going to have jurors who might come in there and be more predisposed to bring in biases against President Trump or more be disposed to rule in favor of a Maduro. That's something that the Department of Justice and the prosecution team are going to have to contend with ensuring that the juries that are in panel to hear this case are as objective as possible and are not going to be bringing sort of leftist leanings that might paint the perception of the evidence. They're going to have, but it sounds like, so you're going to be presenting a criminal case against this guy, and there is an Everest-sized mountain of evidence. You're going to have to be an explicit activist engaging in jury nullification. If you are going to look at, at least that's what we, what we, just off the top of my head, we can list, you know, dozens of things Maduro did. So you would have to be a communist activist.

fully intending to engage in nullification and lying to get on that jury, I don't think you could keep it to yourself for very long. They seem to not be able to stay off blue sky. So I guess I'm a little less worried about that because nobody thinks a narco terrorist should be running Venezuela. I certainly agree with you. I just got to be cognizant of your potential jury pools here. Let me offer one other thought on this entire thing. The question that didn't ask, well, why was the apprehending of Maduro's wife? Well, obviously, she was indicted as a co-conspirator in this. And it was, of course, consistent to show that it was a criminal apprehension. It wasn't simply a decapitation of a leader or a kidnapping or anything of that nature. So there's that. Also, I do think that there may be perhaps there is a potential for some sort of deal to be met. Keep in mind the be be the bevy of options in front of the government in this case. But if he is convicted, he could, ostensibly, at least predictably, he could be sent to a prison called ADX Florence, which is this one. And this is our super, supermax prison in Colorado. That's kind of the Alcatraz of the desert of Colorado. It's not a happy place. It's kind of a miserable place. It's actually probably one of the most miserable places in the American penal justice system. But if he's in a position to say, if there's some leverage there, maybe some deals could be made. Maybe Maduro is in a position to talk about some relationships or provide intelligence on the Chinese or on the Russian. I'm not saying free Maduro. I'm simply saying in lieu of his conviction, housing him in ADX warrants, maybe they house them in a less. severe facility and they use that as leverage. His wife is also, as you know, in custody. Maybe there's some deals or some leverage for the government to exert pressure on Maduro to possibly cut a deal. Now, again, let me be very clear. I'm not saying Maduro should be ever seeing the light of day. I'm simply saying that there's degrees of penalties, there's degrees which we can and leverage that we can assert on him, possibly to determine whether he has any kind of actionable intelligence. Remember, he was in bed with the Chinese, the Iranians, the Cubans, the Russians. I'm sure he's got a lot of intelligence information at his disposal that possibly would be of interest in the United States. And he's a crook. He's a corrupt narco-terrorist. We're not sure. I mean, he behaves like a mob boss. Right. He doesn't behave like a revolutionary leader. He behaves like a mob boss. So if that's his orientation. then maybe deal cutting is something. We get a lot of intelligence out of that. His wife, tell me if I'm wrong here, if she wants to turn on him. Can he claim marital privilege and say and that cannot be used against him? Yeah, again, that's an important point, though. The point to be made is that he's being afforded all rights due process and constitutional legal rights of any criminal accused in the criminal justice system. And I think that's what he was kind of surprised with. Remember at his arraignment, he didn't understand or he was very surprised that he had a right to counsel or that he had the right to remain silent.

All these things, and I think that's really kind of a celebration of the American criminal justice system, all these things that we take for granted is actually literally foreign to international actors who have no concept of what these sorts of rights mean and what and they're entitled to. He sends the collectivos to go shoot people in the face. Yeah, exactly. Or he throws them, or he has them abducted and thrown into political prisons without any due process whatsoever. So, I mean, conceivably, you could see his wife getting a deal. And the thing being presented to Maduro, you want your wife to suffer? I mean, you can see these kinds of things happen, right? So my last question to you before. So this will be interesting and it'll be televised, no doubt. Maybe not if there is a deal cut and intelligence is shared. We aren't going to find out about that. But who knows? This is very interesting. So my last question, and I know you're not an expert in maritime law or anything like that, but in your educated legal opinion, the Trump administration has now been accused of piracy for seizing a vessel that on the fly whipped out a bucket of paint. painted a Russian name on the ship, raised a Russian flag, and now we are hearing had Russian agents on board. But the Trump administration is being accused of piracy. Just in your educated legal opinion, you know, that seems a little over the top to me to call them a pirate. Right. As I understand, these are sanctioned vessels. In other words, they're subject to economic sanctions that have been levied by Congress and the administration. And so they are, it's illegal for them to be pro. for them to be on the seas taking sanctioned oil to bad actors. So I think it's every United States has every legal and obviously national interest and legal right to seize these vessels and apprehend it. Now, the question here, let me add a proviso here. To the extent to which we seize oil, and we did, we reportedly seized about 30 to 50 million barrels of Venezuelan oil, crude oil, or processing that we're in a position to put on the market, to the extent of which we start to derive revenue from this, and that revenue finds its way to the U.S. Treasury. Well, this is where, I think, this is where our limitation, and again in our separation of powers doctrine, comes in for the president. The President Trump, although he might be saying this, he really can't direct where that money goes. If we're having revenue in the form of the... form of proceeds from the sale of oil appropriated from Venezuela. Congress decides where that money is appropriated. So Congress has a role to play here. These are seized U.S. assets. Wouldn't the companies also have a claim on the money? Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of, there's a lot of balls in the air legality here. And I think that there's some other companies that are talking about this, too, that oil companies. but had their assets seen by Maduro coming in there with possible claims. So there's a lot of legal wrangling to work through. But if we, again, to the extent to which we sell any of this money and we're seeing cash coming in, obviously, I think the revenue should first and foremost go to help ensure the peaceful transition and ensuring that Venezuela is a functioning ally democracy of the United States. To the extent to which it goes into the United States for any kind of appropriation, Congress really has a specific constitutional role there to determine how that money is appropriate.

Now, as much as I like the potential memes of pirate Trump, it's not piracy, sanctioned vessels. That's, you know, and that's what we all sort of are looking at this and saying that makes sense. Now, maybe there's some quirk of maritime law, and that would be something we'd have to update later. But very interesting stuff. This is just exciting. I have not seen, you know, geopolitics is exciting and a good deal of time. Absolutely. Really good. Absolutely. Lots of interesting stuff going on. No, no, I just think it really is the hinge. Venezuela from a geopolitical standpoint was just such an important node in our country. It's in our hemisphere. As I said before, the Iranians, Chinese, Russians all had their Cubans all had their hooks into this incredibly valuable, formerly prosperous thriving democracy. And it's good news that Nicholas Maduro has been removed and is now in U.S. custody. Michael O'Neill, thank you so much from Landmark Legal. I very much appreciate your expertise today. Thanks. My pleasure. Talk to you soon. All right. And we'll take a quick break on the Vicki McKenna Show. Welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. If it's some psychedelic song from the 60s, that's the bump music on this program. Always assume Glenn Grothman is standing by. Congressman Glenn Grothman is standing by. Hi, Glenn. Happy New Year. Hi, great to be on your show. You know, you would never get me on, but you always play a little grassroots going into the show, so how can I resist? Right, for you. You're the only one who requests music like that. That is, someday we're just going to have you on and we're going to talk about music, Glenn. We're not going to talk about politics. We're not going to talk about dumb, aggravating, frustrating, enraging stuff. Which is going to talk about music. But that's not today, unfortunately. Today, Glenn, I want to talk about the hearing. that I believe this was in Comer's committee, you're on that committee, of the whistleblowers who had identified this Somali welfare fraud in Minnesota. You actually brought in people who were the actual whistleblowers. And before we get to your comments on this, I just wanted to play some audio. This is a, it's not that long. It's just a comment from a couple of the people who testified on the threats that they received for trying to get information to their supervisors that there was this massive amount of fraud. Here it is. Ms. Farak, you spoke about the retaliation that many have experienced in light of trying to expose the fraud and the corruption happening in Minnesota. Can you speak more to that and what people are experiencing when they try to sound the alarm on what's happening? Right. So that retaliation's been going on for quite some time. If you look at what Faye Bernstein said and a news report or Newsweek article back in 2019, it started for her. And she was heavily investigated. She was actually moved to a different state agency. you know, retaliated against in every kind of way you can think. What's happened now is retaliation has escalated, and now it's, you're going to lose your job, you're going to lose your home, we're going to track your children, we're going to make sure that you can't get a job anywhere else in state government. And from Minnesota, that means probably Minneapolis, St. Paul, Hennepin County, Ramsey County, Duluth, Rochester, you can't get a job anywhere that Democrats control. So.

Retaliation has escalated, but she said, Glenn, it's been going on since at least 2019. It's 2026. And I know you guys had some folks testify from Minnesota at your hearing, but they've apparently been trying to get the word out for years. And instead of doing anything about it, they're the ones being threatened with total ruin. Exactly. Can you imagine how much guts it takes if you're working for a state agency to go to the press, to go to somebody and expose the billions of dollars in corruption in Minnesota? And it's such a difficult thing to be the whistleblower. And then they not only don't do anything about the fraud, they go after the whistleblower. That's how horrible it was in Waltz's Minnesota administration. I mean, unbelievable. No desire to look into the fraud. When fraud is discovered, we go after the people who... exposed it. And I believe there's some testimony there in which they even implied that, you know, they might ask where your kids go to school or let them know that we know what school your kids go to. I mean, it was just unbelievable what these people had to do. And the degree to which the Waltz administration considered this fraud a good thing. And then eventually when we do talk about it, they say, well, you're just racist. You're just racist. Which is that, yeah, go ahead. They want their kids' information. So that's a tacit threat to their children. They want to run them out of their job. So they want them, you know, in financial ruin. You know, so this is the response from the Democrat-controlled state of Minnesota. Understand. that what is going on in Minnesota, it was only, we only know about it because we had a citizen journalist expose it. Although there had been some rumblings about it, going all the way back to 2015. But the reason we know about it, the reason you can investigate it in Congress is because of Nick Shirley, Nick Sorter, Alpha News. That's an outfit, an independent outfit in Minnesota, conservative-leaning outfit in Minnesota. That is finally getting this story to get some attention. But the fraud is still taking place. Something else, Glenn. I look this up. In Minnesota, the population in Minneapolis, particularly since George Floyd, plummeted. of the residents in Minneapolis. They left, they moved. You want to know why the population of Minneapolis is still stable? Because Minneapolis has imported enough Somali migrants to cover the population exodus from that state since the riot culture began there. And that is true of the state of Minnesota generally, almost 100%.

of Minnesota's population growth has been Somali migrants. Almost, I grocked it, almost 100%. So that's what's going on. The more important thing is to protect the interests of migrants because those migrants have made Minnesota a reliably blue state, I believe. I recently read a book called The Tragedy of American Compassion. And in the book, they pointed out, even in the early days of our republic, the concern that politicians would buy votes through generous welfare payments. That's exactly what we have going on in Minnesota. I believe the testimony at the hearing was something like 80% of Somali immigrants are on some sort of government welfare program. compared to a tiny fraction of the population as a whole. So you're absolutely right. They're the type of immigrants the Democrats want because they're going to put themselves on the government and keep voting Democrat to keep the gravy train coming. I mean, that's just bluntly what's going on. I mean, when we talk about immigration and we talk about America changing and they say, oh, racist, racist, racist, this is what we're talking about. You know, there's no Native American-born population that has this eye total of people on the welfare. This is entirely immigrants, and they're the Democrats dream immigrants because they're going to go on the dole and vote Democrat forever. So 80% of the Somali population in Minnesota is on welfare. 85% of the Somali population votes for Democrats. 85%. Actually, it's 87%. I just rounded down, give or take a couple of points here. So almost 90% of the population votes for Democrats. When you have whistleblowers in Minnesota, and incidentally, we should talk about this, what Nick Shirley exposed. was that there were over 400 employees in the DHS offices of Minnesota who were part of the support system for the whistleblowers. By doing that, they were also targeted, but they were the ones who were advising Kamala Harris. Don't pick this guy. It's going to blow up in your face. Don't pick this guy. There's all this fraud. There was an inspector's general report. in Minnesota. They had commissioned an inspector's general report that showed this fraud was taking place. And the oversight person in the inspector general's office, the IG herself, tubed the report so that nobody could see it. And that's more information whistleblowers have shared. And Glenn, we also know this is a 50 state problem. We're hearing about Minnesota. We think it's just Minnesota, but it's not. It's Ohio. It's Indiana. It's likely Wisconsin. We have no data because no one's sharing any of the data. But it's a 50-state problem that we have now identified it in 50 states. Well, I think the problem is, and you can't say everybody, but I think the social work mentality is kind of not to be offended by this sort of thing. And that's why in every state, I think there'll be a reluctance to go in and expose it.

I know even the difference between Milwaukee and, say, a place like Cheboygan or Washington County, there's a difference in that the welfare bureaucracy, I'll call it, is not as aggressive in enforcing rules and that sort of thing. So it's a huge problem. You're 100% that I think it's driven by politics. And, you know, a problem we have is the Republicans are in order to the party of the rich, which we're not. I sit in the meetings and again and again and again, we don't want to do anything to help the rich. And most of the, are a lot of the wealthiest people in the country are Democrat, right? But the Democrats are successfully have the problems with the party of the rich. What the Republicans have to do is label the Democrat Party, the Party of the welfare recipient, because that's exactly what they are. That's why they don't care about the cheating. That's why they like to have the number of people on wealth for exploding. Right now we have 42 million people in this country on food stamps. How is that even possible? How many of them are committing fraud? How many of the people on food stamps are committing fraud? How many of the people in Medicaid are committing fraud? We had Doge initially, and this was just confirmed by the Treasury Secretary, Scott Bessent. identify 11% of all federal spending on social service programs and other types of support programs fraudulent. And it's trillions and trillions of dollars. We're talking trillions of dollars here. So cut it off. Cut it off. But no, you had Elon Musk Omar put an earmark in the last bill for Somali daycare centers, for heaven's sake. You've got Amy Klobuchar in the Senate who is putting more money for... Somali daycare centers in Senate legislation. You've got senators in, even Republican senators, who are trying to put refugee resettlement dollars into our legislation. So part of our problem is us. We refuse to just cut it off. Cut it off. The fraudsters go home and things get more rational insane. And then on top of that, you've got 2,000 ICE agents in Minnesota right now. and they're the bad guys? They're just there to try to stop people from stealing, cheating, beating people up, raping people, and somehow they're the bad guys. There's a psychological problem when people hate the ICE agents. And this is a huge problem in the country that anybody... sides against the ICE agents. But there is a growing segment of the population that doesn't see any reason why we should enforce the immigration list, which is a scary thing for the United States because that's the path down to Europe. We have so little self-confidence in your country. You don't even care how many people come here. So you're 100% right now. I think one of the answers to this has to be. And iron over the Republicans of the guts to do it. I hope they do. I was in the state legislature, as you know, for many years. When it comes to federal funding and the state's administrating the programs, I don't think there's enough attention to pay to it because it's only federal dollars. The federal government will pay for it. It's not going to screw up our budget.

I think on any federal program, you have to have at a minimum, and it should be much greater, at a minimum, a 20% state match. So when you get this irresponsible, it makes it more difficult. for the state to balance its budget. I agree. And I hope Donald Trump gets in front and pushes it, because there are a lot of Republicans who won't do this. You wouldn't believe how un-Republican, some of the Republicans I have here work with. But Donald Trump's got to get out in front and drive this train and make people afraid not to vote. to reduce or to have the states pick up more of these welfare programs. I think that is the genesis of the problem. I think a 20% match is a little too low. I think a 50% match would make a lot more sense. And I think mandatory audits. I think mandatory, not even yearly audits, I think mandatory quarterly audits should be required for any kind of federal spending as well. Hell, I think mandatory quarterly audit should be required for state spending because there's a lot of corruption. And we have opaque books. We have an opaque budget. We have opaque books in Wisconsin. We have no idea how those dollars are being spent. Millions and millions and millions of dollars are just flowing out of state taxpayers' pockets into programs. We have no idea. We're not even providing oversight. I just looked at a list of so-called group home providers and care providers in Dane County. Somebody sent me this list from the state of Wisconsin. 99% of them are run by foreign-born people. How is it even possible? How come nobody's auditing that? And to your point about Europe, did you, I don't know if you saw this, Glenn, the UAE is telling, is not allowing any more college students to come back from Europe if they go to school there because they become so radicalized by the mass Islam-Fascist migration in Europe. The UAE is saying if you go to Europe for school, you're staying there. You don't get to come home. Now, I mean, we can't do that in the United States, but they can. That's how worried they are about mass might. You'd like to. There was a time in this country where you felt it was good if foreign citizens would come to our colleges because it would Americanize them. I will believe entirely, particularly for majors, liberal arts majors, that you haven't Americanized them, you've radicalized them. And I just want to clarify, Vicki. Yes, we probably shouldn't even have a food stamp program on a federal level and put it all in the state. When I say 20%, I know how difficult that is, maybe impossible to get it out of Congress. But Donald Trump has got to get on the train and drive it through. I agree. Trump has got to insist on it. Call out the names of the congressman who will not vote for it or senators will not vote for it. I think he can do it, but it's tough. The other problem you have is a lot of the money on the food stamps comes from...

junk food producers benefit by it. So you've got to get by the campaign contributors to, which is a bigger problem up here than I realized when I first got here. Yeah, we have a piece of state legislation to ban the use of state food benefits on junk food, sodas, that kind of stuff. And it's languishing. Of course. It's languishing. But you're right. I don't mean to like, you know, say 20. Pepsi Cola makes a lot of money off this. Sure. So does Friedel Lay? No doubt. When I was suggesting 50% made more sense, not 20%. I understand what you're saying. 20% of a state match on these kinds of programs would be climbing a mountain backwards that's covered in ice and butter. That's why Donald Trump has to get out in front. He's got to put the fear of God in anybody who doesn't do this. But thank you, Vicki, as always, you're a blast. Thanks, Glenn. I appreciate it. We'll take a quick break. That was Congressman Glenn Grothman, and I'll be right back in the Vicki McKenna Show. Welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. I just want to, I'd mention this when Glenn was on, which was that the UAE has announced that it's no longer going to be allowing its young citizens to study in England, in Great Britain.

Because when they come back, they're radicalized. They're getting radicalized in England. England refuses to ban the Muslim Brotherhood. Right now the Labor Party's in power. They're the leftists. The Reform Party, that's the Conservative Party, or kind of a Trumpy Maga-type party called the Reform Party in the UK. They are... funding they're helping to fund it at least it looks like from this article they're helping to fund reform party candidates in england right now they're leading in the polls the reform party is leading in the polls in the polls in great britain so um i'm just throwing this out there that maybe as all of these other geopolitical you know wild things are taking place um if the dominoes fall the right way This is something that seems to be just sort of an, it seems to be either adding to the potential good changes that we could see or maybe even actively part of what is taking place with what Trump has done with Maduro to try to break the, the alliance between Russia, China, Iran. I don't know. It's just really interesting that this was an announcement that was just, they didn't have to announce it, an announcement that the UAE just made. We're not letting any of our young people go study in England. And if they study in England, they're not coming back. You stay there because they don't want radical Islam upending their high quality of life, their high level of peace. This is a Muslim country. UAE is a Muslim country. It's not, you know, a secular Muslim country. It's a Muslim country. But it's a Muslim country that is an enormous amount of, of tolerance and flexibility for Emirates, for, I'm sorry, for immigrants, for, you know, folks who are seeking to practice a different faith than Islam. Certainly. It isn't free, free. But by comparison to other Muslim countries, it is about as tolerant as you could possibly get. And they don't want the disruption, the chaos. They don't want Ayatollah-style Sharia in their country. Anyway, they didn't have to make the announcement. They could have just done it. They could have just said, okay, we're just going to do this. We don't want to be bothered with the chaos and the disruption. I want to get to the protests. I'm using protests in Minneapolis, which are 100% astroturf. People are being paid to protest there. The woman who rammed the ICE agent was paid to protest there. She was trained. to protest ICE. She was there being compensated to protest ICE. She knew exactly what she was doing. So any thoughts that maybe she just got confused or maybe this was suicide by cop? No, she knew what she was doing. We gotta just, it's exhausting, right? Let's just stop. Let's just stop.

Pay any attention to people who, I'm going to play some audio here from a woman, to people who are so mentally broken that they can't manage their own emotions. They can't manage their own lives. They can't regulate their own behavior. They're not qualified to do anything productive. Let's just stop. listening to people whose now only job is to be paid to tear things down. I want you to hear from this woman. This was an interview. I think it was with a Daily Wire reporter. I'm not 100% sure. I think the reporter is from Daily Wire, who was very, very upset. And then very, very guilty that she was very, very upset because she's white. Have a listen to this. So, I mean, I'm just walking around kind of just dayside because I got, I was like, I don't know if it's the right thing to do. It feels kind of wrong being here in some way. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, like, where that stems from. Like, I don't, I mean, part of it is being like a white woman that. I'm privileged and I have a lot of privilege. So I feel like white tears are not always something that's helpful or necessary when black and brown people have been experiencing this for a long time. This isn't new for them. And so I don't know if that makes any sense in that way. No, it makes no sense. It makes no sense whatsoever. So she's there to protest ICE after. A woman tries to ram an ice officer and gets shot and killed for the effort. She's there as a protester holding up a pre-printed sign. So she's paid to get her pre-printed sign. And she's like, I just don't know if I should be here because I'm white. I just don't know. I'm a white woman. I don't know about white tears. Does this make any sense? No, it doesn't. You're broken. You're broken. You're emotionally broken. She could not control herself. She could not regulate her own emotions. She has a deep-seated self-loathing. By the way, self-loathing has replaced self-esteem. Have you noticed that? Self-loathing is the new self-esteem. The more you hate yourself, the more you are justified in hating other people. That's why self-loathing is so much more powerful than Fake self-esteem. Hate yourself. That gives you the right to hate other people, even more than you hate yourself. You hate yourself, as long as you hate yourself, you can hate other people more. People like this have no place in policy. They have no place in rational conversation. There's nothing that they can bring that is even relevant to a debate. to a debate over how we govern ourselves in this country because she is not, and she is very common. She is not interested in rational policy, in governance. She's not interested in any of that. She's being paid to be there to be a self-loathing white woman.

A body to be sacrificed, like Renee's good body was sacrificed. Go sacrifice yourself, Renee. Okay. She's there to be a pawn. She's happy to be a pawn. She does not have any idea of what she wants. She just knows she's supposed to hate herself so that she can then be justified in virtuous. and her declarations of hate against other people. Because that creates nihilism. Because nihilism is the inversion of anything constructive. That's all this is. Why is anyone listening to any of these people? I don't understand. Why can't the Republicans just say, no, you're a cluster B mental case. You need... Therapy, maybe drugs, but you know what? You have no place because you offer nothing constructive. Your answer to everything is break it. That's not governance. That's not policy. That's anarchy. When your answer is break it, when your answer is anarchy, you've opted out of the conversation. So why are we giving these people oxygen? Why are we letting them have a seat at the table? Why are any Republicans out there in Congress? You just heard Glenn Grossman. You wouldn't believe how many Republicans, you know, we just can't get on board with this common sense stuff. Why? Because when you don't get on board, you are giving oxygen to a mass group of mentally ill, hyper fragile, soul broken. empty headed ponds who are happily participating and being paid to participate in a cult let's just start saying it this way because this is really getting exhausting this routine is getting exhausting There is no reason to have debate with people like this. Now, if someone's out there and they say, hey, we'd like to have a conversation about the execution of federal laws. Or we'd like to have a conversation about how local law enforcement deals with traffic stops or deals with drug busts. Okay. Or we would like to have a conversation on how we're going to police fraud. How we're going to manage to keep people who are, you know, below a poverty line at a place of basic subsistence. Okay, those are debates you can have. Those are policy conversations you can have. But a woman who's sitting there going, I just hate myself because I'm white. And then it gives me license to hate everybody more. And that gives me a reason to stand here and get paid to call for total destruction of the things that other people built. No. You've got nothing to add. You're against civilization. You are against decency and order. You've given yourself permission to be miserable. And then you've demanded that the rest of us be just as miserable. Go get bent. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the program. We keep talking about affordability in Wisconsin.

And there are all kinds of different things that work toward affordability. One of those things is the amount of compliance costs that come with rules. Rules, just plain old rules. Or we could call them, we call them rules in Wisconsin. They're called regulations. At the federal level, we typically call them rules here, but they are regulations. There is a package of legislation that's, I don't know why. I'm just sort of sitting there. Tom Tiffany has been talking about it a lot in his campaign called the Red Tape Reset. It's a group of bills that would likely reduce. costs in Wisconsin so that almost overnight another $2.5 to $3 billion would be remitted back to the bottom line of the Wisconsin economy. Kyle Keenan is joining me on the program with the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty. You are among a number of free market groups, you know, out there including IRG, AFP, who are out there saying, hey guys, let's get this stuff passed because if affordability is what people care about, this is a big step toward making it better in Wisconsin. Good to have you. Thanks very me on, Vicki. And you're exactly right. I think this is one of the best things the legislature could do in their spring session to tackle the affordability issue that's at the top of everyone in mind. All right. So let's talk about how this would work because, you know, folks are out there saying, I can't afford a house and I can't afford my utilities. I can't afford my health care. So how does, you know, regulation impact the affordability question first? Yeah, I think it might be good to step back and say we regulate all sorts of things across the board in the state of Wisconsin, right? Oftentimes lawmakers pass laws that impose regulations on us, think wedding barns, right? That's something that passed last session. But on top of that, agencies then go past rules and regulations on top of that that have the full binding effect of law. So... We are one of the most regulated states in the country. We're 13th highest and second highest in the upper Midwest, second only to our neighbors to the south and Illinois. These regulations impact our everyday life from housing, electricity, child care, all of those things are passed by agencies. Due to a court decision last year, there's very little that the legislature can do to stop these rules. So this package is designed to bring accountability back to the process and make sure we're looking at old rules to make sure they still make sense. So this would sunset old rules. This would require a review and an affirmative determination that the rule that already exists is necessary and that it is accomplished what it was supposed to do. So let's just stay on housing because that's a big one, especially for young people. That's a big one. We are hearing that the estimated cost of regulatory compliance for housing, for new housing, is $80,000 per unit. Now, depending on which market you're in, it's higher than that.

I was hearing at one point talking to a developer here in Madison that sometimes $120,000 per unit is taken up in various types of regulatory compliance costs. Now think about that. Think about that. That's apartment units or single family homes. 80,000 to maybe $120,000 in regulatory compliance before you're even out of the gate, before you even start working in market value. That's nuts. Yeah, it is insane. And that's real money for people. You know, that's hundreds of dollars on a mortgage, if not thousands of dollars on a mortgage each month. When you finance that 80,000 out over a 30-year period, it really adds up. I think there's a prime example of how this can work. The state of Virginia under Governor Glenn Youngkin has done a thorough top-to-bottom review of all their rules. They cut 35% of their code back. And one of the most impactful areas they had was in the housing sphere. So they cut back some regulations that save on the new construction of a home on average $24,000. That's real money in people's pockets. And that's something we hope this package, especially with the sunset review bill, which would require the legislature and agencies to go look back at all their rules. and evaluate them to see if they're actually working or achieving a regulatory goal or if they're necessary or it's just unnecessary red tape every seven years. We think that's a really important first step. And Virginia has really proven that you can make it work. You had mentioned the Wisconsin Supreme Court decision, which essentially allows rulemaking authority to be unreviewable by the legislature for executive agencies, which is nuts. This, at the very least, would only make that a seven-year problem. This would not make that a problem in perpetuity. This would require the legislature then to demand that those agencies justify those rules. Let's use an example, a really recent example. And if you care about housing, you better care about this. And if you care about new construction, you should care about this, the adoption of these insane new building codes. I am talking to people who already said the old building codes were hard enough to comply with. And some enormous numbers of elements in the old building codes contradicted each other. It's even worse with this new set. You had manufacturing, housing, you had commercial construction. You had all of these people say, don't do it. None of this makes sense. You guys don't even know how to build a building in the first place. But we've got these new codes, and I'm not sure what the estimated cost is going to be, but people who build big things say it's going to be significant. Yeah, and this is a prime example of the impacts of that court case. It was a Marklein versus Evers decision, the second round of it. That exact regulation was proposed, and the legislature had the authority to block it previously. As soon as that decision came through, they lost that authority, and the agency rammed this through at breakneck speed. And it is having impacts. It's going to... It's a commercial building code, so it applies to apartment rentals. It's going to meet higher rents at the end of the day here based on these codes that really had no say from your elected representatives. It's just a bunch of bureaucrats in Madison making these decisions by themselves, and that's why we've got to bring accountability back to the process.

Well, I'm glad you brought that up because what we keep hearing from the left is that it's not, it's just commercial properties. That's apartment complexes. That's apartment complexes. That's housing for Pete's sake. And these are, you know, I know people in construction. I know people in engineering, people in architecture. They're saying this is, these are all these sort of diminishing, law of diminishing return, climate-based, carbon-based codes that do absolutely nothing. They don't save energy. They don't reduce carbon. They're just a bunch of energy modelers sitting around trying to figure out how to shove more regulation into an already complex set of regulations that need absolutely compliance, absolute compliance, because otherwise the state can come after you. The Attorney General can come after you. People can sue you. And that's why I'm spending some time on this building code issue. The legislature was smart. in stopping it from being put through because a lot of it was politically motivated climate change garbage. But now we're stuck with it unless this passes. Yeah, you're exactly right on that. And I think what's even scarier is what could be coming, right? Without a practical check on this power, this could go to single-family housing pretty quickly here if the Department of Safety and Professional Services feels like they want to do the same sort of climate-type goals on single-family homes. We could be faced with the impact of jacking up the construction cost of a new home significantly. Yeah, New York has done it. New York State has done it. I think Washington State has already done it. You know, certainly you're already seeing also local compliance demands here in Wisconsin. So you pile on regulation on top of already difficult to do, difficult to comply with regulation. Then there's something else in this, too, that I think is great. And that is that the agencies that have these rules have to offset. the cost of the rules. So these are expensive rules. We had the Wisconsin Raines Act, which has been kind of muted, muted because of the Supreme Court decision. They'd have to offset, and I hope that the way this bill is written, Kyle, offset for the business or the group of people affected, the compliance cost of these rules. Yeah, that's exactly right. Families have budgets. State agencies have budgets when it comes to fiscal matters, but what they don't have is a budget on how much they can regulate. us the people, right? So this does require that offset. The legislature, if they feel like a regulation is absolutely necessary, can bypass that with a vote that's accountable to your elected representatives. I think the biggest problem we have right now is these unelected bureaucrats that pass on millions of dollars and costs onto the citizenry without any accountability here. And this is a good first step. So what a lot of other states have done,

This bill takes a little bit more novel approach and saying it has to be offsetting the cost. Other states have done regulatory budgeting and at the federal government where they say for every rule we impose, we're going to repeal two or repeal tenant in the case of the Trump administration. That does invite a little gamesmanship. And I think this bill specifically would be one of the strongest in the country if we get this path. I like the idea of removing regulation for every new regulation, but why not do both? Why not also demand offsets? If you're just out there and, you know, you're some climate nutter and you've demanded, you know, some kind of, you know, whatever, HVAC system that has zero impact on, you know, energy savings over 30 years or whatever, you've got to figure out how to give that person who's got to pay that compliance cost money back. You've got to figure, you've got to give them a way to get it back. I think you do both. I know the bill doesn't, but that's something I know that Congressman and gubernatorial candidate Tiffany has been talking about. So it's sitting there. It needs to move. Where are we in the process, Kyle? Because you're talking about the spring session here. This could also be very potent going into that upcoming round of midterm and state elections. Yeah, I'm pretty optimistic that we'll be able to get this across the finish line. They receive votes out of both committees and both houses. The speaker called for a task force on rulemaking in light of the Evers decision last year. So I'm hopeful that that committee will kind of endorse some of these ideas and we can move them, get them to the floor. ultimately give him to Governor Evers and see what he does with them. There's really no reason he shouldn't sign these. These are good government bills that a number of states on a bipartisan basis have done. I'll hold my breath on that until we get there, though. He won't. He won't sign it. He's a communist. They don't like private property. They don't like giving people power. They don't. So I hope. Maybe I'm wrong, but, you know, I don't think I am. This is going to be something that a Republican governor, I think, is going to have to shepherd into effect. I hope we get a Republican governor. I do appreciate the time and the work that you guys do over there at Will. Thank you, Kyle, for joining me today. Thank you, Vicki. Have a great weekend. You as well. And we will take a break on the Vicki McKenna Show. And welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. Well, that song means Mike Puglies is standing by on the program. Attorney Mike Pugley is also. Mike, you were a former police officer, yes? That's right. That's right. Oh, we got a deep well then we can draw from here. Thanks for joining me, Mike. Happy New Year. Happy New Year to you, Vicki. Thanks for having me. So I want to start with your attorney. You as an attorney, okay? And then we'll get to you as a retired police officer. I want to play just a little bit from this. I've got to really restrain myself from using profanities here. From this clown, Larry Krasner from Philadelphia.

Larry Krasner has just threatened, along with, by the way, the elected sheriff of Philadelphia County. We won't play her because she meanders and she sounds like she's stoned. It's just threatened ICE, the National Guard, law enforcement, and the United States military. Have a listen. If any law enforcement agent, any ICE agent, is going to come to Philly. to commit crimes, then you can get the F out of here. Because if you do that here, I will charge you with those crimes. You will be arrested. You will stand trial. You will be convicted, whether it's in state or federal court, it's my office prosecuting it. That's how the law works. And you will do your time. Because Donald Trump cannot pardon you for a state court conviction. Do you hear me, ICE agents? Do you hear me, National Guard? Do you hear me military? Wow. So I want to define crimes because what he's talking about is the ICE agent using... lethal force on a woman gunning her car at him. That's the crime he's talking about, Mike. So let's just kind of unpack what that guy just did. We all take an oath. Whether we are the Attorney General, we are the DA, or whether we are the road cop, we take an oath to uphold not only state laws of your particular state, but also federal laws to enforce them both equally and together. He is promoting insurrection. He is promoting obstruction. He should be arrested for violation of oath of office, period, with the underlying crime of obstruction. And that's what should be looked, Pam Bondi. That's what you need to look at. Put your DOJ, hawks on it, and you're going to have to do this. You know, we talked recently about the judge in Wisconsin that faced her fate. Well, you know, these Blue City mayors, these Blue City district attorneys, these Blue City governors need to face the same fate. They have laid out the Declaration of Federalism. And then we can't have that. That you cannot survive as a country, nation, government, whatever, if you allow this to continue. Yeah. And he followed the sheriff of Philadelphia County declaring the ICE agent guilty, guilty, calling him a killer, a murderer. So you've got the DA and a police chief, I'm sorry, and a sheriff who are already convicting people. So if a police officer, if a National Guard member, the member of the military, if an ICE agent, if a CBP agent, defends themselves.

They are going to be charged. That's what they're saying in Philadelphia. Now, they're not going to do this because they would not get away with doing this. But I'm with you. They have just announced the intention to obstruct federal law enforcement and put people in prison in kangaroo courts. I mean, there's got to be some meat there that Pam Bondi can cut into. And they're sending a message to illegal aliens that Trump has taken a vow. He ran to win, and the American people backed him and elected him to enforce crime. And that's what Donald Trump's doing. He's elected the baddest of the baddest of these illegals that are coming in the country, child rapists, murderers, you name it, TDA gang leaders. He's after them. And these guys are these guys like this DA and this sheriff. They're sending a message to these groups and these kinds of individuals. It's okay. We got your back. We're covering me. We're going to take on ice for you. What kind of message is that? Is that going to lower crime? Is that going to lower the tempter? No. He is totally trying to obstruct and somewhat trying to deter ice. through political means and agitation through the media to stop them and obstruct them from doing their job and protecting the American citizens, which Donald Trump has sworn to do. Philadelphia is in the top five most violent cities in the United States. This is the number one destination. The first destination for the new dope. the new fentanyl mixes, the ones that are mixed with xylazine and other types of animal tranquilizers that either kill people straight out, turn them into zombies or make it impossible for them to quit the drug. That's Philly. That's what this guy is the DA, the city he's a DA of, and the city that this woman is a sheriff in. So you're right. They're saying, come on here and turn everybody's life into a living nightmare in Philadelphia. We are not going to allow peace in order ever to be reestablished. But again, they're also convicting people before they even face charges or a trial and they're teeing up an insurrection and they're teeing up more of these attacks. Ice agents have been attacked now 1,300 percent more this year than they were the previous year because of rhetoric like this coming from these clowns and Tim Walz and Jacob Frey and the rest of the idiots. And ramming by cars to ICE is up 3,200 percent. In other words, they have even signaled, I'm talking about these leaders, these political leaders. They have signal the weapon of choice. Use your car and ram these poor agents that are out there basically defenseless. And now they're getting anywhere if they defend themselves, you know, they're going to face the wrath of some radical DA that's going to put them in jail. And then you've got Tim Walz out there that said he's going to use the National Guard to take on ice. I mean, this ridiculous has got to stop. Yeah, it's insurrection. It's time. It's time now to just start issuing indictments.

It's time. I mean, I don't know what. Trump has got to drop the hammer. Pam Bondi has got to actually do something. What does she do? I'm not quite sure what she does except put out letters. So she's going to need to do something here. I know she's afraid of the blowback when she's no longer the attorney general. But come on already. How many more, the ice agent who shot at the woman ramming him had been dragged. six months earlier by someone who attacked him with a car, hadn't been dragged, was beaten up, bruised up, needed stitches, I think dislocated a shoulder or something like that. This is what this guy's got to put up with. And now he's being accused of being a murderer. And they've got a, you know, they've got a chaz set up in Minneapolis. Come on. You know, this all stops if the hammer starts to fall. And the vial lies by our political leaders. You have Adam Schiff, a sitting U.S. senator, and he is coming out that this woman good, was just dropped her child off at the daycare, Vicki, and just accidentally drove into this scene. No, she is an activist, and she was there for one purpose, and that was to obstruct and to limit ICE from doing their jobs, and that's to protect us. She was being paid to ram this officer. And she was there for many hours prior to that incident. Protesting ice, blockading ice. That's what she was doing. So yeah, it's just flat out lies. to try to get people killed, to try to get more of these of these mentally deranged cluster B, you know, purple-haired Karens to sacrifice themselves for the cause so that people like Adam Schiff can lie about it, to whip up hysteria because it will distract them from the amazing things going on geopolitically that Trump is, and the economy, the improvements in the economy that Trump is putting on the books right now. So let me ask you to be a cop again for a second, Mike. use of force, police use of force and self-defense. Consider both of those things. Police use of force and self-defense are related, but they are different. As far as I am seeing, and I've looked at this from now, I don't know, seven angles, that officer was justified under the rules of police use of force, but he was justified under the rules of self-defense. Just plain old garden variety, olive drab, self-defense. Had I shot that woman? It would need to be a question. Thank you, Vicki, for, you know, talking to us. The officers would have said, D.A. would have said, no, we're not going to charge you on this. It's classic self-defense or multiple video angles. So if I can ask you to speak as a police officer to that. You absolutely right, Vicky. An officer has a, I've been involved in three shootings as a former police officer. You have a split second moment. I mean, to make a decision. whether reasonable force should be used. In that incident, we can stop in slow motion, the video, and all this other. But you've got to realize that he has less time, maybe a split second, to decide if he should fire or not. It's an instinctive trained shooting. And his life was in peril, that of his other colleagues on there, the other officers on there. So he did the right thing. He took the right course of action and eliminated the problem.

If she would have just stopped her car and let the first officer get her out and all, this would have been avoided totally. That's not. She wanted to get away and she didn't care who was in front of that car. She was going to make her escape. And if you look at that bullet round, it is right in the windshield, in the front windshield, which means she's coming at him. And they're talking about all this other BS that she was waving cars around and all this other nonsense. That is totally nonsense. She was there to obstruct these officers. She was there to. caused problems, and then when she was getting caught, she was going to get away, and it didn't matter who was in front of that. And I blame our political leaders like Frey that have set the climate and told these radical leftist individuals that they can do this, and that it's okay to do it. And now our poor officers have to go out there and defend themselves and defend us with that in mind, with that happening out there, with this mindset out there. So this officer was correct. He was right. And what he did, you got to understand you have a split second decision to decide on the use of force. When you say split second, you can time it in this video. It isn't one second. It's less than one second. It's less than one second from forward motion of the vehicle to the moment he had to draw his gun. shoot to stop it from running him over. It was less than one second. I mean, I've watched this thing now, I don't know, maybe a hundred times. I'm going, dang. If you waited a split second longer, he'd be dead. And the mayor this morning gave a press conference, and he comes out with some ridiculous, asinine statement, well, he only got his hip hit. It would be he could have done that opening the refrigerator door. What nonsense. I mean, this poor officer, his life was in jeopardy, and he took the right actions to defend himself, protect himself, and that of his other officers and anybody else that was in her way, because hell bent, she was getting away. That's a no-brainer. We all agree on that. The left and the right agree on it that she was making an escape. They haven't denied that. She was making an escape. And in their mindset, she is now the victim, though, of this officer. Again, I've watched this video. I don't know how many times. I'm just guessing. I've watched it lots and lots and lots of times. The other thing, understand, you don't plant yourself and shoot. You move. after you try to get the shot off and then you get the blank out of the way. And if you want to know why his hip was hit, and you can see this in slow motion, because after he fires the shot, he tries to move out of the way of the car for crying out loud. What is this guy supposed to get completely blasted in his attempt to defend himself, or is he supposed to, as a police officer, he's a nice agent, he's a police officer? Is he supposed to try to live? I don't know. Again, I'm just until now as an attorney again. Self defense, Mike. This is not an ice agent. This is Vicki McKenna. And she's standing there. And she's got a gun in a holster. Do I get to shoot? Yes. This one covers even me.

That is that you would be reasonably, you were in a reasonable expectation of getting injured or getting killed so you have a right to use self-defense in that situation. I mean, no, I cannot see any prosecutor, a reasonable prosecutor, not a leftist prosecutor that would even look at this case for, you know, the forward on up to a grand jury for review. I just don't, I just don't see that. I don't see that whatsoever. Thanks, Mike, for coming on the program today. I appreciate the expertise and happy new year. Happy New Year, Vicky. Thank you. And we will take a break on the Vicki McKenna show. I think I've got a little bit of time coming back. We'll be right back. Just a couple of seconds left. So I'm just going to send you all off to a nice lunch. We'll come back here at 2 o'clock on the Vicki McKenna show. Sheriff David Clark and Scarlett Johnson are both going to join me. We'll see you back here at 2 o'clock. Good afternoon and welcome to the Vicki McKenna show. That would be me. We're going to get to a ton of stuff coming up a lot. on the ICE agent and the officer involved shooting of the woman gunning her car at him. Multiple angles now of this video have been released. I have watched so many of these. I had already seen multiple angles, but now there's a point of view angle that's been released. It's very, very clear. All of the things that people have been saying on the left are lies when Adam shift. Adam Schiff, not Schiff, shift. When Adam Schiff said, oh, she was just dropping her kid off at school, that's a lie. It's just a lie. To suggest that she was just stuck, she got lost, she turned down the wrong, it's just a lie. She was there for hours as an agitator. So that's news that came out. She was there for hours. She was trained as an anti-ice agitator. She was being paid as an anti-ice agitator. All right. So everything the media is saying about this, it's galling because it's putting law enforcement at risk is a lie. And then you have officials. You have this clown in Philadelphia. You've got the DA in Philadelphia who's completely corrupt. You've got the Philadelphia sheriff who's, I mean, brain dead from the neck up. I don't even think she can put together a coherent sentence. And they're out. They're trashing ice. They're trashing the military. They're trashing the National Guard. All in pursuit of a political narrative. Well, that narrative has come crashing down as more and more and more point of view video gets released showing that that police officer didn't put himself in front of a car. She put him in front of her car. You can see this clearly. It's not like he just ambled in front of the car. He was on the side of the car. She then backed up and put him directly in front of the car. Furthermore, the lies that this officer never got hit. Oh, he never even got hit. Yes, he did. And you can see it very clearly, and he got hit very hard. He also fired directly at the front of the car, hitting the windshield.

directly in the front, not glancing off anyway. You got to go start watching these videos. This narrative is eventually going to collapse. But we're going to talk about the lies that continually spread about police use of force, self-defense use of force. What are the guidelines, the governing guidelines on use of force? Because everyone's lying about it. Everyone's lying about it so that we don't talk about the other things that are very important. Good economic news, for instance, or the Somali welfare fraud, or the fact that it's now spread to 50 states, or the whistleblower testimony in Congress. You get my point. So all of that's coming up in the program. We've got David Clark coming up on the show. Scarlett Johnson as well with an update on what's going on on the trans and DEI front. You know what, though? Before we get to any of that, I'm delighted to have Doug Johnson from Cruzantor to come on the program for one more time to tell people about our Ireland trip. We do have room for a few more couples on the trip to Ireland, which is taking place in June. We'll get to put a mark by that because June is important. June is a great month to go to Ireland. But Doug, tell me about the trip. Tell me how it's going to go down so that people understand this would be. a trip of a lifetime. Absolutely. Well, thank you, Vicki. Happy New Year to you and all listeners as well. And yeah, excited to be back here talking about Ireland. This is one of my favorite destinations, really anywhere in the world, certainly in Europe. I've had the fortunate chance to go several times and one of my favorite countries for sure. And this is an ideal time to visit, as you were saying. And in June, the weather is perfect, usually temps in the... 60s or so, it's dry, it's sunny, very different than the winters they have over there. So it's a great time to see and be able to explore all the outdoors and enjoy the weather. You know, this trip we put together, it's really kind of a best of Ireland. Ten days. It's not rushed. We've got a couple of nights in Dublin, a night in Waterford, two nights right in Calarney, downtown, two nights in Limerick. And then we end the trip with one of the big highlights for sure on night staying in a castle at the end of the trip. So it's... Sure. Tell me about the castle because I'm trying to get a, I'm trying to get my head around this. This is not like some old stone castle where you have to go, you know, outside if you need to, you know, use the facilities. This is a, this is a castle, but it's, but it's beautiful and it's, and it's well appointed. Absolutely, yeah. There's a couple of these in Ireland that are, you know, old authentic castles and they've been, you know, beautifully restored and renovated and converted into, you know, luxury hotels, if you will. So I can't wait. They've got all the bells and whistles and amenities, but it's really kind of a, you know, as you said, a once in a lifetime experience to be able to stay in the castle. And sometimes you'll get the staff telling you some great stories about the property.

There's a couple rooms from time to time or stories of hauntings in some of these castles. So it's kind of a neat experience. Okay. Oh, haunted castle. Okay, that just sort of kind of gave me the chills. Why do you love Ireland so much? I've never been to Ireland. I've seen pictures of it. It looks beautiful. I mean, just people have described the cliffs of more, for instance, as being just, it takes your breath away. But why is Ireland one of your favorite places? Well, I think, you know, certainly there's lots of beautiful scenery, and we'll take a lot of that in. Kalarni is a great spot. It's, you know, a small city, a large town, and it's right there on the edge of a national park, and we do a jaunting car ride there. So there's just so many things that... You know, you're out in the countryside. You're seeing the cliffs of more and the beautiful countryside. But the people in Ireland are so friendly, Vicky. And, you know, everywhere you go, it's whether it's at the hotels, the restaurants, the pubs. you know, talking to someone in the street. People are very welcoming of Americans and they're super friendly. You can get some of the best meals just popping into a pub during the afternoon for lunch and have a, you know, everyone says a poured Guinness tastes different in Ireland and the best place you'll have one. So. Stop it. I can't wait. It's one of my favorite beers of all time. And Kilkenny, we're actually going to be in Kilkenny. So you can't imagine how excited I am. Because as a fan of Barley and Hopps, it gets me very, very excited to think about this. We have the best guides, cruise and tours, just the best guides, the best hotel accommodations. I want people to understand this. You're staying in unbelievably beautiful hotels. You will have... the most incredible, knowledgeable, friendly, and competent guides. These are professionals in Europe. This is a profession. They have, you know, they have insurance and pensions and things like that. These people have to go to school to become a guide. And Cruzantor finds top-notch guides. Absolutely. And, you know, they're with you from start to finish. Our tour directors there start to finish. And we have some local step-on guides. And, you know, those hotels, you mentioned, they're right downtown. So it's not that, you know, when you're at your hotel, there's nowhere to go and nothing to do. You can walk around. You can hop in or take a quick power nap and head back out. It's, you know, there are ideal locations for people, too. Because we want you to make the most of your, you know, the limited time you have there while you're on holiday. So another nice thing about cruising tour is that you have your standard tours and you always pick the best things. These are the highlights. You've got to see this. So if you're in Italy, you have to see the Sistine Chapel, et cetera, right? But then you have lots of time to just go explore if you'd like. Or if you don't want to do that, your guide can find a way for you to have a more directed experience as well. And I want to say about places like Ireland.

It's like everything's the Gothic center. You know, everything's the older part of the area. So the history is there. The substance is there. So when you say these hotels are right, you know, in downtown areas, they're in kind of Gothic center downtown areas where you can see history walking out the front door of the hotel. Absolutely. And, you know, the painted doors you see in Dublin on O'Connell Street and that, it's right there. You know, the shopping areas, all of those things. It's right outside the door, as you were saying. So I'm very excited about this. So now to some of the sort of nuts and bolts. This includes everything. The trip is everything. It's your airfare. It's your transfer to the airport. We all meet up in Milwaukee. Then we all go to the airport and we all fly out together. And our tour manager is there. And all our tips and transfers and anything that you are not seeking out on your own, say in a pub by yourself, the meals are included. The tours are included, you know, tipping the folks we're supposed to tip on, whatever trip we're going on is included, right? That's absolutely right. There's only a few dinners here that we allow people to kind of do on their own, as you were saying, if you're in a spot for a couple of nights, it's nice to go out to a restaurant that you might scope out or just have a casual meal in a pub. But we've got, you know, five of the dinners included, breakfast every day. All the luggage channeling, all those tips, people don't have to worry about, you know, feeling awkward about that or who to tip and how much to tip. And, you know, another thing that I think people will be quite impressed with is. The food, you know, we just mentioned some of the meals. And the food in Ireland is excellent. And that was not the case 30 years ago. I think Ireland used to get a bad rap for being kind of very bland. And, you know, everyone thought it was bland food and potatoes. And it's come a long way. They've got chefs from all over Europe that have come in and working at these restaurants. And the food will really impress people as well. Very excited. Cruise.com. That's Cruise. dot com click on the vicky mckenna ireland trip sign up and we'd love to see you in june doug johnson cruising tour thanks so much for joining me thank you and we'll be right back on the vicky mckenna show welcome back to the program it's the vicky mckenna show sheriff david clark is standing by um I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted with having to be beholden to idiots, David. And I'm sure you're probably at that point as well. We have clowns in control of the justice system and law enforcement in some parts of the United States. Can I just, do you mind if I just play a cut from this idiot DA in Philadelphia? Do you mind? Go ahead. All right. Play it. Brandon, do me a favor. Just rack up Larry Krasner again. Let's listen.

If any law enforcement agent, any ICE agent is going to come to Philly to commit crimes, then you can get the F out of here. Because if you do that here, I will charge you with those crimes. You will be arrested. You will stand trial. You will be convicted, whether it's in state or federal court, it's my office prosecuting it. That's how the law works. And you will do your time because Donald Trump cannot pardon you for a state court conviction. Do you hear me, ICE agents. Do you hear me, National Guard? Do you hear me military? L-O-L. He sounds so tough, and then he follows the absolute blithering idiot Philadelphia sheriff who calls ICE fake law enforcement and threatens to do the same thing. I'm just going to let you rest. Yeah, I mean, this is vital chatter. It's all big talk coming out of these liberal Democrat politicians, mayors, state's attorneys, governors. They're not going to do any of what they say they're going to do. It's all big talk. I think there was a collective laugh from the military from federal agents upon hearing that nonsense. By the way, the guy made a mistake. He said he will prosecute them in state or federal court. He cannot prosecute anything in federal court. He's not a federal officer or a federal prosecutor. So that lets me know right there that this guy, he was just trying to cover all the bases. I don't know. You never know. I try not to get into the president's head. I would have to hearing that. Trump sent DHS and ICE into Philly. Say, okay, bring it. Let's see. Let's do it. Categorizing what's sworn to do as crimes is pathetic and it's disgusting. So, you know, going forward to Minnesota quickly. That woman put herself in a place she had no business being, and what she was doing was extremely dangerous. And I'm not saying that subjectively because what I do, and I'm qualified to talk about police who's deadly force, because I've investigated a lot of these kind of police officers. You support team with the Milwaukee Police Department. And I was also a lieutenant in charge of it when I have promoted to lieutenant. So I've done these things over and over. I know what the standard is. It's the objective, reasonable standard of a law enforcement officer on the scene. Not what some politician says happen or things should happen. Not what some liberal news anchor. things should happen. It's the objective reasonableness standard under Graham v. Connor. And so I go right to there. As soon as I view the tape, I go right to there. And I know I don't have all the facts, but I got enough to make some early assessment. And under the objective reasonableness...

It says a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene. And its calculus must embodying allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second decisions about the amount of force necessary in a particular situation, which is tense, uncertain, and rapidly about it. And so when you apply it to that standard, the legal standard, Vicki, and again, I don't have all the fact, and we haven't heard from the officers. But when you apply that, this is going to be a slump of reasonable under the circumstance. Yeah, look, and I've been saying this. I mean, if this were me, if I were the one standing there in front of that car and I had a split second in an intense, in an tense uncertain and rapidly evolving situation, I'm walking easily with self-defense as my defense, absolutely, in a state that would permit concealed carry. So, shut up. All of you clowns, shut up. This is distraction. It's to take everybody's eye off successes that the Trump administration has been banking. Now, he needs to start dropping the hammer on these clowns. But I just got to believe that this broken record of whining and carping and fronting off and lying and trying to act like the tough guy. when 82% of Americans agree with getting rid of criminal illegal aliens and probably even more, we haven't pulled it, are against fraud from illegal aliens and migrants stealing billions of dollars in taxpayer money. I just got to believe this is not going to be a winning strategy. No, it's not. I'm just a little afraid, though, that, you know, our U.S. Attorney General, Pam Bondi, doesn't seem to be real aggressive. in terms of holding people accountable. These people are promoting anarchy. They're weakening public safety. They're weakening law and order. And that's promoting anarchy. And I'm sure there's some federal statutes. And they're going to have to try some test cases. We're going to have to see these people perp walked in the federal court. And I don't know that Bonnie has the stomach for this. And that's a little unfortunate. But I am glad to see that ICE is upping the answer because I'm tired of watching them get slapped around. pushed around, obstructed, having violence perpetrated on them, you know, with kind of a half-ass response. The law allows the law enforcement officer to use an amount of force to overcome the resistance, not meet the resistance, overcome it, which is why, and I think there was a use of force in Portland the other day yesterday by ICE that I said, finally, it's about time. Bring the fight to them. No more milk and cookies. We've got a job to do here. We're going to do it. And you're not going to obstruct. Yeah. What is going on is obstruction. It's what is being called for by Tim Walz and Larry Krasner and that empty-headed.

who's the Philadelphia sheriff is insurrection. That's what they're calling for, is insurrection. Not fake insurrection like you heard the Democrats carp about on January 6th, but real insurrection. That's what they are engaged in, and that is what these elected officials are cheering on. But I like how you said, officers have to overcome. the force, overcome. As a citizen, I don't get to overcome. I just get to defend myself. Officers have to overcome the use of force against them. And that's an important thing to remember here. Also, it's time, I think, as well for the president to make comment on this. JD Vance did a really good job on this. Pam Bondi, she's put out some sternly worded letters. Kristi Noem was really good. Tom Homan was really good. JD Vance was really good. I think it's time for the big man to come out and just start laying down the law. Yeah. He knows when I trust his judgment. Timings everything in policy says, you know. He will at some point. But again, he can use JD Vance and, you know, not so much fan body. But he can use JD Vance as his mouthpiece. He didn't even Bans when he talks, and I like this, he says, I don't want to get out ahead of the president, but that tells me he already talks to the president about what he's going to say. The president granted his, you know, gave his blessing on how he wanted to report this thing. And Bantz did it very carefully, not to incite, you know, and not to further ban the flames, but a reasonable statement about what happened here. This thing has gone on too long and too far. The ICE agent's ability to enforce immigration. And any of these guys getting in a way, they get what they deserve. Every single one of the clown Democrats who are running for governor from Francesca Hong defund the police, defund the police, defund the police, defund the police. Every single one of them have put out anti-police statements in response to this. This is playing the hits. It got them the presidency in 2020. You know, they reckon that they can whip up the... purple-haired nose ring, Cluster B, Karen contingent, and all the old angry boomers into enough electoral force to win them back the midterms. Let's be clear. The only reason this is going on is because Donald Trump is resetting. U.S. superiority in the Western Hemisphere because the economic indicators are coming back much more aggressively strong than anybody thought because a lot of people are happy with the enforcement actions of ICE because people are getting sick and tired of the BS.

Yeah, I mean, this fomenting of hate and anger is what they're doing. They use as a tactic to get people to take to the street. Unfortunately, for them, this shooting that happened in Minneapolis said it wasn't a black victim because, you know, the police use force in a black victim. It's easier for them to drum up riots, but I don't see black folks taking the street for that. David, here's what they're going to do. They're going to try to push some poor dumb slob who is black out to do something extremely dangerous and risky so they can have the excuse for riots. Great to have you on the program. Thank you so much for jumping on today. Enjoy your weekend. Thank you. You as well. And we'll be right back on the Vicki McKenna Show. Welcome back to the program. It's the Vicki McKenna Show. And a happy new year to friend of show and tireless activist for moms and kids and education, Scarlett Johnson. Thanks for being on the show again, Scarlett. So. We got a lot of things coming up next week. We've got the two big court cases before the Supreme Court on boys in girls' sports, on men in women's bathrooms, et cetera. And we've got some legislation that's moving its way through Wisconsin, the most recent of which was public testimony being taken on a bill that would prohibit, in fact, we'll start here, that would prohibit people from changing their name and their sex on their birth certificate officially, which. By the way, is happening already in Wisconsin. You can change your name. You can change your sex on the birth certificate. So if you want to abscond from a criminal record, just change your name and your sex on your birth certificate. If you're on the sex offender registry, just change your name and your sex on your birth certificate. And this legislation, of course, is being resisted by the Democrats. because it's dead naming because it's you know it's transphobic scarlet so we'll start there that's a pretty common sense one but what do you bet Tony Evers vetoes it of course he'll veto it and the democrats will cry out uh and i just don't even understand why they claim to be on the side of women But this legislation, I can't believe that this is allowed to happen and we need protection that this legislation would provide. I can't imagine what could happen to women and girls and the harm that could come to them because predators would have easier access to their prey. I just don't understand how they can claim to want to protect women and girls when they consistently throw us. under the bus and in Harvestway.

So here's the other thing, though. The birth certificate's based on how you feel, right? So today I feel like I want to be a man. So I'm going to change my name to Victor McKenna, and I'm going to change my sex to male. But then, you know, six months from now, I think I've made a mistake. I think I want to be a woman again. And so I changed my name back. I mean, what's the limiting principle here? Not to mention, I mean, how do you have any sense if you are a medical provider? on what you're supposed to be doing. I mean, this is just madness. If you want to put an... Yeah, but anyway. So, but that's where we are in this. This fight is not over. The DEI fight is not over. The transing kids without parents' knowledge fight is not over. This is, you know, we're winning in some respect, Scarlett. But why does it always feel like one step forward sometimes is one step back? I just said that yesterday, one step forward, two steps back. There is no limiting principle. And every gain we made, we should celebrate because there's good work being done. But the other side, they just double down. I mean, look what's happening in California. There is a ruling that we cheer. And then immediately there's a stay on the ruling. And now the Thomas More Society is appealing directly to the Supreme Court. And that's regarding. Believe it or not, it's regarding the fact that schools are secretly transitioning kids. Now, that's something that even in Milwaukee, Will and Luthberg, they have issued briefs and they have filed with the DOJ complaints against Milwaukee Public Schools because Milwaukee Public Schools, like Madison schools and like so many other schools, have secret gender policies where basically even in elementary schools. They can secretly transition kids if parents do not want to affirm this new so-called gender identity. So that's still the case. We've been fighting this in Wisconsin for what, five years. And there have been favorable court determinations on the side of the parents' rights. And yet it's still happening. And we have executive orders that say don't do this. And yet it's still happening. And you have a federal court case. I don't know why the judge state is ruling in California. And yet it's still happening. Who on earth? It's really going to take the Supreme Court. I was just in D.C. talking to a lot of experts, legal experts, people that have been doing advocacy in this space for beyond five years because they've known about it for the last 20 years. And they think, well, all what's happening in the Trump administration is very important. It's going to take the support. the Supreme Court finally making some rulings and still working in states and just constant advocacy on the local level.

Yeah, and I mean, we've had some good pieces of legislation introduced. I think the birth certificate legislation's awesome. I didn't even know that was taking place in Wisconsin, that it actually needs legislation. But we've got a Democratic governor. He's going to veto it. We may have a Democratic legislature, and that means nothing significantly will change unless the United States Supreme Court comes in. And let's face it, the left is just ignoring the United States Supreme Court. Federal judges are ignoring. the United States Supreme Court. We have multiple affirmative rulings saying you cannot have race-based programs. You can't have race-based scholarships, race-based curriculum, race-based determination on who gets special education dollars and who doesn't. And yet, Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty is multiple times in Wisconsin to this day still fighting this. The University of Wisconsin system knows it can't do this. We have executive orders, but we also have a Supreme Court decision. So I'm a little bit worried that if Supreme Court decision on this stuff is not even enough. Well, we have, Mamuzi Taylor has been able to move some ground, but still there needs to be further expansion because it says religious. And frankly, I think there needs to be a broadened definition that parents can opt their kids out. even if it's just their deeply held belief, not even religious beliefs. But it's so bad, Vicki, that when I was in D.C., we were celebrating the fact that parents and advocates and lawyers met with the Trump administration in order to push the White House to target child welfare programs because these programs, because they are allowing. federal funds are being used for agencies like child protective services to investigate and remove children from loving homes just because they are not transitioning their kids or they're not affirming their so-called gender identity. And this is still happening in America, even with Trump as president. All over the country, children are being removed. They'll be removed from home, young children, just because the parents will not affirm this so-called gender identity. I understand as well. We just had our FK Jr. in HHS say there is no science to support affirmation. There is no science to support transitioning. There's zero science to support any of this. This is not recommended. This is not, you know, doctor recommended. This is political ideology. And it doesn't matter. This fight is never going to be over so long as power and money are in the offing here. You know, you're talking about CPS and Child Protective Services, taking away a kid because you're not affirming your kid. And it sounds crazy, but it's happening all over the country. It is. And they're putting them in so-called affirming homes. And these children are being abused. in these affirming homes. The horror stories that I have been hearing, it's just so terrible because these kids are placed with predators who are affirming. And of course, you know what, just like you said with birth, they're not doing the vetting. Look what's happened in Milwaukee. Milwaukee public schools is a fiscal nightmare. And they weren't reporting properly their financial disclosures.

And so they hire, their new hire is someone from Minneapolis who is now on administrative leave because $25 million is missing. And for the last 10 years, they haven't, this person and the administrators in Minneapolis public schools haven't been reporting. This is what they do. In order to, they say, oh, we're going to correct the fraud and corruption. And they go and hire someone guilty of fraud and corruption. They can't have police themselves. They can't arrest themselves because they profit from this system. Look at Sun Prairie schools and the multiple allegations against adults in supervisory and teaching positions who had been accused of sexually abusing children. No one did due diligence. Look at the DPI report on the sexual abuse allegations against the adults, against the supervisors, against the administrators, against the teachers. Nobody ever bothered to make that. You can't trust these institutions to police themselves. Last thing before I run out of time. How about we do a statewide referendum? Has anyone looked into direct legislation? Is it possible to use the statute on direct legislation in Wisconsin to have a statewide referendum reining in some of these abuses? That is something that I am looking into, Vicki, because Washington State has just been successful in putting three questions on the ballot. There's going to be three opportunities for voters to defend women's sports, to protect, basically prevent the state from removing children from homes if they don't so-called affirm gender identity and to outlaw. the medical procedures for, I'm going to use the right term, sex, rejecting care for minors. And so they were successful. And they can do it in Washington state. And there's an attempt right now in Colorado to do the same. I want to be a part of that movement here in Wisconsin. So I'm looking into it. I'm tired of waiting around for politicians to do what they need to do. And of course, I think that the Republicans have. put these bills forward. They have passed the bills and then they get vetoed by the governor. So we need to find a way to bring sanity to Wisconsin, especially with the threat of Democrats having even more power. Scarlett, I wish I had a bit more time with you. But it's great to have you on the program again. Thank you so much. Have a great new year. Well, that's it for me on the program. I'm going to send everybody off to their weekend. Here's a quick sort of look ahead to Monday. Cash contest starts again on Monday. Told you, we never just end the cash contest and don't do another one. So you can have another chance to win money on Monday. But more importantly, there is a big report that is going to drop on Monday. on the promises and the impact of these AI data centers. All of these projects are being proposed tons of them in Wisconsin. Port Washington. There's one in DeForest. I think there's one in Janesville. And there's lots more. They're promising the moon. Are they going to deliver the moon? Here's a quick preview. No. Are we going to get all the jobs that are being promised? No.

The McIver Institute's got a report dropping on Monday. You're going to want to definitely check in on my program for that because it's a doozy. I've gotten a chance to take a look at a preview. In the meantime, everybody, have a great weekend. We'll see it back here on the Vicki McKenna Show on Monday.