All Talk with Kevin Dietz ~ June 4, 2026 ~ Full Show

Good morning and welcome to All Talk on a beautiful Thursday morning. Today, the WJR Pure Michigan Golf Tour has arrived at one of the most remarkable places we visited all week, the Cardinal, at St. John's Resort in Plymouth. I can spend the next three hours talking about the golf, and believe me, the golf deserves it. The Cardinal is spectacular. The course is beautifully designed. The conditions are outstanding. Later this summer, it will host the Live Golf Team Championship, bringing international attention to Michigan Golf. It's quickly becoming one of the premier golf destination. destinations in the Midwest, but what makes this place truly special. isn't really the golf. It's the mission because every time someone checks into the resort, every time someone books a tea time, every time someone eats in one of these amazing restaurants, buys something in the pro shop or spends a weekend here, they're helping someone else. St. Johns is part of the Bill Pulte Foundation humanitarian hotels initiative and 100% of the resort's net profits directed toward charitable causes around the world. Think about that for a minute. How often do you get to enjoy yourself and make a difference at the exact same time? This isn't charity. As an afterthought, this is charity built into the business model. The foundation supports programs focused on education, housing, hunger, relief, health care, and helping people in need both here in Michigan and around the globe. It has supported hundreds of nonprofit organizations and millions of people through its charitable efforts. The resort itself has donated thousands of pounds of excess food to local soup kitchens, helping provide tens of thousands of meals. and educational opportunities for young people looking to build careers in hospitality. It's remarkable if you think about it. And it got me thinking about golf because golf is good for the soul. It slows us down. It gets us outside. It puts us in the company of friends and family. It reminds us that life isn't just about rushing from the obligation to the next. Golf gives us time to think, time to laugh, time to reconnect, time to appreciate how fortunate we are. And giving back does the same thing. helping another person supporting a worthy cause knowing that your actions made somebody else a little better that feeds the soul too and that's why this place feels so different at most golf courses when the round is over the impact ends here it doesn't here every birdie every bogey every round of golf played becomes part of something bigger Your day on the golf course helps support a student, helps feed a family, helps provide shelter, helps strengthen a community, and honestly, that's a pretty powerful idea. Golf and generosity, competition, and compassion. A world-class golf experience paired with a world-class mission. So today, as the WJR Pure Michigan Golf Tour visits the Cardinal at St. John's Resort, we're celebrating more than a great golf course. We're celebrating the idea that recreation can create impact. And we're celebrating a place where every swing, every stay, and every visit helps make the world a little better. That is the mission that is worth supporting. And that's Pure Michigan at its very best. So we got the tour started off on Monday at the Pines Golf Course at Lake Isabella. Absolutely beautiful. We played golf with John Somerville, director of golf. He is the grandson of the owner. He moved back from Seattle to come help his grandpa run the place, and they are doing a fantastic job there.

in the Mount Pleasant area. So much great golf there. On Tuesday, we headed up to Gaylord, Michigan, and we went to the Treetops Resort where we played an unbelievable Tom Fasio, premier course. I played that with Barry Owens. He's the general manager up at Treetops, and he hosted us to a wonderful round of golf and dinner. And I can tell you, the elevations at Treetops are absolutely phenomenal. And you get out on those tiered greens, and boy, you are in for a real challenge. Then Wednesday, we were off. to Boyne Golf. How great is Boyne Golf? We played the Hills course at the Highlands, played with Ken Griffin, a really great guy, and he showed us all around the course. We drove that entire course, and it is absolutely stunning. You feel like you're in the middle of nowhere. You hit golf ball. It's like you're hitting it down a ski hill or a mountain. It's just completely fabulous. And today, you're going to hear all about the Cardinal at St. John's Resort. Played the course yesterday. It is absolutely wonderful. Played with Nick Bex. He's the director of golf here at St. John's Resort. And boy, you get out there on the Cardinal, and you feel like you're up north. You're only a short distance here in Plymouth away, a short drive, and all of a sudden you feel like you're at some resort in a small town in northern Michigan. Absolutely wonderful spot to be. And then tomorrow. We're going to finish up at the Detroit Golf Club. And everyone knows how historic and prestigious the Detroit Golf Club is. And it's going to be home of the Rocket Classic later this summer. And here at the Cardinal, by the way, the Live Golf Championship is going to take place in August. So you're going to hear a lot of fabulous stories about golf today and everything you need to know about the Cardinal. And the golf tour wraps up tomorrow. So it's been absolutely wonderful. We want to get some news in here. Let's bring in Marie Osborne. She has got a story about... the Archdiocese of Detroit. They're moving ahead with a sweeping plan that could reshape how Catholic parishes operate in southeast Michigan, but key decisions are still in the works as parishioners figure out their place in this new order. Good morning, Marie. And good morning, Kevin. It's been a very difficult few weeks for thousands of parishioners waiting to receive the news on whether their beloved churches will no longer be holding masses. Under draft proposals now being shared with the parishioners, some of these churches, at least 58 of them, will no longer hold Saturday or Sunday services. However, these same locations could host weekday mass, funerals, weddings, and other activities, at least for now. Models for nine of the 15 planning areas have already been released. models for this final six planning areas are to be released June 18th so that leaves some parishners wondering if their parish will no longer hold daily or weekend masses and only be used for weddings or funerals who's going to pay for the upkeep of the building it's an important question some people are asking officials are stressing nothing is final the current models are meant to gather feedback as the archdiocese look to reorganize nearly 200 parishes into clusters that are then going to be overseen by one pastor. The final groupings are not expected until 2027. Leaders say these changes are driven largely by finances, shortage of priests and falling participation, and then maintaining every building is no longer sustainable. Some sites may eventually close or be repurposed. And Kevin, if people listening are interested,

in the restructuring plan maybe they have questions still you can go to restructuring dot aod.org boy marie you think about all the people who had baptisms and First Communions and weddings at these various churches and parishes, just wondering what's going to happen next. I imagine there will be a lot of people who participate in this feedback session. Right. I read one account of one person who said they had six generations of history at St. Hyacin's Church in Hamtramic. So I imagine what that would be like for them not to be able to go to that church for Mass. the weekends. Again, though, this is not final. The Archdiocese is stressing through their spokesperson that people really need to put their two cents worth in on this. This is not final. They're still tweaking, as they say. And by the way, the rest of these planning areas are going to be released June 18th. parish has not been included yet or you can't find info on your parish yet it likely is coming on june 18th All right. Thank you, Marie. Appreciate it. Thank you. The Michigan House was unable to secure enough votes to move forward with the proposal that would have changed how governing boards for the state's major public universities are selected. Supporters argued that current system of electing university regents and trustees on partisan ballots injects politics into higher education and should be reformed. Opponents countered that voters should continue having a direct say in who oversees institutions such as the University of Michigan, Michigan State University, and Wayne State University. The proposal failed after lawmakers could not build a bipartisan coalition large enough to pass the measure. The debate remains one of the few states where voters directly elect university governing board members. The issue could return in future legislative sessions. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be back from St. John's Resort. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. We are on the WJR, Pure Michigan Golf Tour. We are live from St. John's Resort in Plymouth, Michigan, home to the championship course, the Cardinal, and home to the 2026 Live Golf Championship. You can find out everything you need to know by going to st.jonsresort.com. One of the biggest political stories in Washington today involves a man with deep Michigan ties. President Donald Trump, he has selected Bill Pulte, the head of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, an heir to the Bill Pulte Holmes family, to serve as acting director of national intelligence. The appointment has really stunned many in Washington because Bill Pulte's background is in business, housing, finance, and government management, not intelligence gathering or national security. Even some Republicans are expressing concern. Senate Majority Leader John Thune saying,

we don't need a weaponized DNI. We need professionals there. Join us now is Debbie Dingell, Congresswoman from the 6th District. Good morning. How are you? Good morning, my friend. I am good. I hope you are well. And you are right now in the heart of the 6th District, actually. Yes, we are. And what a beautiful place this is. And what wonderful people. You know, as you look at this Bill Pulte announcement, what are your thoughts about him temporarily running the DNI? So I want to state this very carefully and clearly, which is that I happen to think that the national intelligence position, like the CIA are... two of the Moore and the head of Homeland Security. Those three jobs are the three most important jobs we have in this country for keeping us safe to try to prevent another 9-11. And there are so many things that are prevented that we never hear about. I think you need people with background in intelligence seeking, working with other countries that have built trust. and have the ability to know what it takes to keep us safe. So I thought it was a very unusual appointment, concerned me, the lack of background in intelligence. And what I do worry about is what John Toot said, the Republican leader of the United States Center. What we have seen about... Bill Pulte and his operations in Washington is his desire to collect data, some of which he should have no access to, and weaponize it to use against people. So it worries me greatly, to be perfectly frank. Do you think that's the reason Donald Trump has chosen him because of what you just described? We do know that this is a man that like to find things on people and use it. But I cannot. I'm never going to try to predict why Donald Trump does what he does on any day of the week. So I do know that the one thing I do know about him is he wants people that are going to be 100% loyal to him. He does not care if they violate the law. He doesn't care about the ethic requirements of the government. He wants somebody that he knows is going to be loyal to him and to him only. Can you think of a time where something like this has ever happened where somebody was put in a position like this without that kind of experience?

It got a little dicey with even Tulsi Gabbard, although she had far more intelligence experience than he does. These are just very delicate, sensitive jobs. They're about keeping us faith. You know, 9-11 happened in this country because we did not. read signals that we had. We didn't put it all together. And we need people that aren't looking for limelight, aren't looking to be in the front page of the paper, but people that want to keep our country in its American citizen state. So what can you do about it? What can Congress do about it? Well, the president has not nominated him yet to be the National Intelligence Director. It would go to the Senate for confirmation if that happened, so it would be on the Senate. to reject it. And I think in the meantime, people are going to pay very close attention, make sure that we're doing the oversight that's there. And I'm just going to hope that there are people in this administration that love our country and want to keep it safe and are going to help to make sure that there are guardrails where there need to be. So he can stay in that position, though, for over 200 days. Is that correct before anyone can really make a move to push him out? Are you concerned that the office will be weaponized during those 200 days? I think that there is... evidence that he has taken the other, and he still has his old office, too, by the way. President left to give people several jobs in this administration that he did take data that he had and tried to weaponize it. It's backed for it on him at times, but yes, he has access to a lot of very sensitive data. Can you explain a little bit when you say that he took data and tried to use it against people, what you mean? Well, Lisa Cook would be the most, would be a Michigan example. She lives for her homes in Ann Arbor. She's on the Fed Reserve Board. He tried to accuse her of, I think it's actually still pending in the courts of did she abuse tax breaks in Georgia and Michigan. So there have been questions there. He's used data on homes and gone after Adam Schiff. He has a record of taking data he should not have polled, used, and then shared publicly, and he has a demonstrated record of doing that. Switching gears just a little bit. The president did say he plans to nominate Todd Blanche as Attorney General, move him from temporary to permanent position. Your thoughts on that?

I think I do not, the House does not vote on confirmation. This is going to be a Senate vote. And I've just been listening to the Republicans express their concerns. This is the man that. approved or helped develop a slush fund of $1.8 billion that would have given settlement to people that were convicted criminals that assaulted police officers on January 6th. And he says that such that's not going to happen. Donald Trump, and, you know, that's why you can't trust anything you've heard because in the last 24 hours, we heard him say that it wasn't dead. It was still going to be there. He was President Trump's personal attorney. He tried to cut a deal that also would hold him. He'd never, he and his family. could never be audited for their tax returns. Someone said that can meet up more than $100 million that's being protected. I just, he, the attorney general for the country is the attorney general for all of us. But, and I think that you're going to see a lot of questions asked as he goes through his confirmation hearing. Debbie Dingell, Congresswoman for the 6th District. We appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have a good day. We'll be back with more of the WJR Pure Michigan Golf Tour. We are live from St. John's Resort in Plymouth. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. It is a beautiful day here in Plymouth, Michigan, and today we are sharing one of the most exciting stories in Michigan golf, the Cardinal at St. John's Resort in Plymouth. Yesterday, I had the chance to play the Cardinal with Nick Beck's, the director of golf. I walked away really understanding why golfers all across this country are talking about this place. The course is spectacular, but what makes it special, it's more than a golf course here. It's a complete golf destination featuring this award-winning championship course, the Cardinal. Also this fun and creative little Cardinal short course that's here, this incredible putting course and the luxury accommodations, and also this mission that I talked about earlier, this 100% of the resort's net profits support educational and humanitarian causes around the world. It just makes this place all the more special. The Cardinal Open is part of the transformation of St. John's Resort and has really become a national destination. It's already attracting live golf team championships and some of the biggest names in professional golf. Join us now is Nick. Beck's director of golf at St. John's Resort. Good morning. How are you? Good morning, Kevin. Thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for the golf yesterday. It was really, really great to get out there. I was talking to my son on the way home, and I was saying that it feels like you're, I don't know, in some small town far away. It's so quaint and beautiful. And it's just hard to believe that we're, you know, we're 20 minutes from anywhere in southeast Michigan. You know, it's...

It's a serene atmosphere when you're out there because it does feel like a parkland setting. It doesn't feel like you're in a metropolitan area for sure. Yeah, I can see why you're so passionate about it. And you get out there, every hole is a little different, a little challenging. Talk a little bit about the course. Golf course, designed by Raymond Hearn, fantastic design, taken care of and grown in by Kevin Peck and the superintendent, as the superintendent of our... facility here. They've done such a fantastic job. To go out there and experience it, it's like nothing in the area. Do you have a signature hole, would you say, or do you have a couple favorite holes? I think we've got one signature hole, but we've got a multiple favorite holes. Number three is our par three signature hole. You know, ranges from 210 to 140, 130 yards down there. Overwater with a nice fountain. It's a beautiful backdrop, and, you know, it's a great par three. Personally, my favorite hole is number 12 to par five on the backside. You have to hit three good shots to get there. And, you know, it's a true test of golf. Yeah, it really is. My favorite hole is the 11th putting green because it's the only place I made a putt yesterday. So that's going to have to be my personal favorite. The closing hole is really interesting. 18, it's beautiful. But you have a blind shot and you're like, you kind of hit it in hope, but then you get up there and you see it's very generous in open. And then you have the fountain, which is beautiful, the pond there, which is just gorgeous. rough here though is pretty rough yes so you know our defense um really is is greens speeds and and rough length uh and wind though when it comes out to it you know we can tip it out to over 7000 yards so it's a good test for anybody out there but if you if you get a little bit wayward off the tea it makes it a little bit more difficult yeah the greens are beautiful they're in great shape by the way i mean you guys are doing a fabulous job out here but there are there are some false fronts you need to you need to get it up there or the ball will come back to your back to your your toes. Course knowledge plays a big factor in scoring well out here. You know, playing the course a couple times, getting the understanding of really what the greens are going to do and where you have to be long and where you have to stay short. Yeah, I feel like once people play the first time, they can't wait to get back and play it a second time because there's several holes where you can actually come in from the right or come in from the left. And it's a different experience or a different opportunity to depend on your golf game. The way it was designed, it gives golfers a number of different opportunities. to come and play 14 for example it's a par three over the water downhill you can play it directly at the pin you can play it on the left side and bank it up and you can kind of roll it out so there's a number of ways that you can play a lot of these holes and and

You know, playing it multiple times definitely helps. Yeah, it's awesome. Can we talk about the Little Cardinal? Absolutely. It's so great. Tell people what the idea was and what they get when they come and play the Little Cardinal. So we've got a seven-hole par three course. Longest hole tips out at 112 yards. So it's a great area for you to work on your short game. It's a great area for you to learn the game. So if you're coming out, we have artificial T-boxes. We have three different artificial T-boxes per hole, ranging from 100 yards, really, up until 50 yards. 50-yard shot is the hardest shot in golf, in my opinion, in getting that practice and getting out there. Really only help strengthen your game and help you score better on the Cardinal and any other golf courts that you play. The beginning part of it is great because for the beginner, you have these artificial T-boxes. So people are not... discouraged if they hit slightly behind the ball, slightly in front of the ball, whatever it is. It's a little bit more forgiving for the beginner to go out there, and it's less intimidating than a full 18-hole course. Yeah, it's so neat. And it's challenging. I mean, really, you talk about getting better at golf. That is a great place to do it because those short shots are all there on the little cardinal. And in the facility, Joe, it's so beautiful here. But you can come and golf, but you can come and hang out too. And talk a little bit about the putting green and how that plays into it. So we have the cardinal putting course. It's an 18-hole putting green. It is. It's a huge green. It was... designed after the Himalayan course in Scotland over at St. Andrews. So it's a great design. It's a great layout. We do change the holes up. It's 18 holes. Bring your friends out. You can have a putting contest. There's a number of different things that you can do with it. You can hang out. You can have some drinks. You can stop up at Doyles and grab some food before you head out. And, you know, playing the little cardinal and finishing up your bets over on the putting course is a great way to round out your day. Yeah, we're on the patio right now out front of Doyles. And you could sit here. all day and just watch the activity. Talk about the big live championship coming. It's coming August 27th through the 30th. It's an exciting time. We're excited to have it. We're looking forward to another great tournament. What was it like last year going through it for the first time? It was amazing. It was a lot of fun. I mean, it's a different atmosphere, right? It's a...

It's a condensed version of some of the best players in the world playing golf. So it's not a full day of fare. You can come out. You can bring your family. There was a number of family activities. It was family friendly. There was music going. There was the whole thing. It was a great atmosphere and some great golf. It had to take some planning trying to figure out. You're opening up the course and then you have to figure out where the fans are going to go and the stands are going to go. Will it be pretty similar to how it went last year? Yeah, full steam ahead. You know, we have great partners that we work with that we're working very closely with. So, you know, we plan on hosting a fantastic event, and we're looking forward to it at the end of August. And now the public can play out here and you have memberships. How does that work out? Absolutely. So we are open to the public, but we do have private membership. So the Cardinal Club is our private membership. We also have corporate club memberships as well as the Shorty Club membership. So, you know, what's really cool about the Little Cardinal and putting course is you can come on out. monthly service fee that you play. You can come out and play the little cardinal as many times as you want as well as the putting course. So for a nominal fee, come on out. We can get you set up and, you know, we still have spots in the Cardinal Club available too. And real quick, Friday you have an event? Yes. So every month, every first Friday the month, we put on a putting party, which is open and free to the public. It's a it's a fundraiser for a charitable sponsor, right? So this upcoming Friday we have Midnight Golf. here we will be raising money for midnight golf and really supporting a great program and you can learn all about it at st johns resort dot com nick bex director of golf at st john's resorts thanks so much kevin thanks for having me all right quick break we'll be back with more of the w jr pure michigan golf tour it's all talk i'm kevin deets It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. We are on the WJR, Pure Michigan Golf Tour. It is a beautiful day. We are here at St. John's Resort in Plymouth, home to the championship course, the Cardinal, which is also going to be home to the 2026 Live Golf Championship. Absolutely beautiful facility out here at St. John's Resort. You can find out everything you need to know by going to st.jonsresort.com. All right, the Trump administration is once again putting tariffs at the center of its trade strategy, but this time the focus isn't just protecting American manufacturers. It's also targeting forced labor around the world. The U.S. Trade Representative has announced plans for new tariffs on as many as 60 trading partners, arguing that many countries are failing to stop the importation of goods produced with forced labor. What does it all mean? Let's bring in Merrick Masters Business Professor and Labor Expert at Wayne State University. Good morning. How are you? I'm doing very well. Thanks for having me this morning. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. Do we know how this would work? We don't know exactly how it would have worked. It's rather a novel interpretation of how to use existing trade law to impose tariffs on countries. But the argument behind it is that certain foreign countries have not taken adequate protection to prevent the importation to the United States of goods that are produced by forced labor. And that's labor that is compelled under penalty by manufacturers or other producers in foreign countries. So what the administration wants to do is to levy a 10 percent.

fee on 60 countries that they've numerated, I think 54 countries and a 12.5% on six other countries, the latter of which will include China and Vietnam, for having violated this particular requirement. It's interesting that the 10%, 12% range is very close to the reciprocal tax rate. that was imposed by the Trump administration on many foreign countries that was declared invalid by the Supreme Court under the emergency powers trade law, which they ruled President Trump could not use as a basis for imposing reciprocal trade tariffs. Yeah, when I think of forced labor, I think of China right off the bat. I don't think of countries like Canada and the United Kingdom. Why are all of these countries included in this? Well, I think it's probably because they're concerned that some of the product that they're shipping is getting into their country through means that really hide the source of origin. and the type of labor that was used. This is no doubt an extension of existing protections to say that we want to take stronger measures. to prevent the influx of goods that we deem to be improperly produced by countries that have forced labor. And this would include a number of South American countries, a number of African countries, as well as European countries. Yeah, well, it makes sense that American workers should not have to compete against products, you know, made under conditions that would be illegal here in the United States. But I imagine there could be, the results could mean increased prices. There could be retaliation, I suppose. It could hurt trade relationships. What do you think? Well, I think we'd go back to the status quo that existed before the Supreme Court ruling in which you had. 10% across the board, effectively reciprocal trade rates imposed on most countries, and then there would be higher ones due to particular industries such as steel, aluminum, copper, and auto. So in those areas, would we end up seeing higher prices, say the steel that's used to make cars? I think that, you know, we really haven't had a time to unpack the Supreme Court ruling in the sense that I think only about $20 billion of rebates have been provided, but those have been provided by importers, not to consumers. And that...

Those rates, Trump used another authority to impose those rates, which is still in effect. So basically, this would be a continuation of the 10% reciprocal rates across the board that Trump has used various legal authorities to impose, and it doesn't affect the, as I mentioned, the other industry-specific. trade tariffs that have been imposed, such as on aluminum steel and auto. Right. How would you say that the Trump tariff policy or strategy is working so far? He's had some time in office with it now. I know a lot of it's in and out of court. Let me mention a few pieces of data that provided some perspective on it. The impact of tariffs on inflation has been relatively minimal. The greater impact on the uprise of inflation recently has been in housing and energy. The second point I would make is that they've raised about $195 in fiscal year 2025 billion dollars from tariffs. That's substantially more. And that goes then in the past, and that goes to deficit reduction. And the third is that there hasn't been that much of a decrease on employment due to these tariffs because manufacturing across the board has particularly in durable and auto has held relatively steady. And there have been recent indications that there's an uptick in factory activity in the United States. And we should see some increase in employment in manufacturing as a result of that. Yeah, and many companies have committed to bring jobs over here, right? Yes, I mean, everything, the devil is in the detail. Right. And the extent to which people live up to their obligations. But there's no doubt that Trump has generated a lot of interest in doing business in the United States, a lot of commitments which really imply growth in the labor force, particularly in areas where you wanted to occur, high-wage manufacturing jobs. And this is a plus. It just takes some times for these things to sort out. And we were in a weak spot in manufacturing when Trump entered the office. And he's really done a lot in terms of imposing tariffs, which a lot of the industry wanted to protect the domestic industry and to rebalance the international trade system. He's done a lot to move in that direction and encouraging companies to invest in the United States, foreign companies to invest in the United States and domestic companies to produce in the United States.

Merrick Masters, business professor and labor expert at Wayne State University. Thank you so much. Really appreciate the conversation. Thank you for having me this morning. You have a good day. All right. We will be back with more of the WJR Pure Michigan golf tour from St. John's Resort. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Dietz. Good morning and welcome into the 10 o'clock hour of All Talk on a beautiful, beautiful Thursday morning. Today, the WJR Pure Michigan tour has arrived at one of the most remarkable destinations we visited all week. The Cardinal at St. John's Resort in Plymouth. Now, I can spend the next few hours talking about the golf here because, quite frankly, it's outstanding. The course is beautiful. Conditions are spectacular. And later this summer, it will host the Live Golf Team Championship putting Michigan Golf in front of an international audience. But what really makes this place special is more than the golf. It's the mission here. Every time someone books a room, plays a round of golf, enjoys dinner, or spends a weekend here, they're helping make a difference in someone else's life. That's because St. John's operates under a unique model where 100% of the resort's net profits go back to charitable causes through the Bill Pulte Family Foundation. You can enjoy a world-class resort experience while helping support education, housing, health care, hunger relief, and countless programs that help people both here in Michigan and all around the world. And that got me thinking about something. Golf is really good for the soul. It gets us outside. It slows us down. It gives us time with friends and family. It reminds us that life is about more than deadlines and emails and the nonstop pace of everyday living. Giving back does the same thing, really. Helping someone else making a difference, knowing your actions have a positive impact on another person's life, that feeds the soul too. That's why St. John's feels different. At most golf courses, the round ends when you walk off the 18th green here, the impact continues long after the final putt drops. Every round played, every meal served, every guest who visit becomes part of something bigger. It's a powerful combination, really. Great golf and a great purpose. So today we're celebrating more than one of Michigan's premier golf destinations. We're celebrating the idea that businesses can do good, that recreation can create impact, that sometimes the best experiences are the ones that leave both you and someone else just a little better off. That's what St. John's is all about, and that's Pure Michigan at its very best. Let's get you caught up on some headlines. A heated confrontation broke out on the house floor. when Representative Max Miller accused Michigan Representative Rashida Tlaib of sympathizing with terrorists. Sallib immediately objected, calling the remarks a personal attack. House leadership ruled Miller's comments out of order and struck them from the congressional record. Miller was barred from speaking further that day. The exchange just shows how tensions over the Middle East policy in Congress is playing out. Police are investigating an armed robbery at Jimmy John's restaurant in Oakland County after a mass suspect allegedly held employees at gunpoint and demanded money. Authorities say the suspect entered the business, displayed a firearm and forced workers to hand over cash before fleeing the scene. No injuries were reported, but employees were shaken by the frightening encounter. Investigators are reviewing surveillance footage and seeking tips from the public to identify the suspect. The robbery remains under investigation and police urging anyone with information to come forward.

instances like this serve as a reminder of the risks retail and restaurant employees can face while working every day authorities have not yet announced any arrests in this case The Detroit Tigers completed a surprising three-game sweep of the American League leading Tampa Bay Rays with a 7-2 victory Wednesday. Catcher Dylan Dingler continued his hot streak, blasting a three-run home or driving in four runs as Detroit's offense erupted for 25 runs in the three-game series. Dingler finished the series hitting 462 with three home runs and nine RBI's best offensive stretch in weeks. Rookie right-handed Troy Melton recovered from a shaky start and dominated the raised over eight innings lowering his ERA to 1.74 since returning from the injured list. Detroit improved to 25 and 38 earned its first series sweep since mid-April. The Tigers have now won three straight games after struggling throughout all of May. That was a disaster. They returned home to face the AL-West leading Seattle Mariners at Comerica Park this weekend. Most importantly for Detroit, the offense appears to have finally awakened after scoring just 81 runs during the entire month of May. Let's talk a little football. football, Nick Saban, he is addressing Congress talking about NIL transfer portals and all of that. Steve Courtney, WJR Sports Analyst joins us now with that story. Good morning, Steve.

It brings some calm to college athletics. And as you mentioned, former Alabama coach and legend Nick Saban faced several United States senators yesterday morning in a hearing on Capitol Hill. He pleaded for Congress to bring order to a system that badly needs fixing. Here's his quote. Congress does not need to micromanage college athletics. Sabin said in a nearly packed room during the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee hearing. Congress does need to fix the mess. in the courts and create a national framework so the people inside college sports can enforce fair rules. Without that legal certainty, every rule becomes another lawsuit, every standard becomes another risk. Now, Sabin testified his support for the Protect College Sports Act, along with Notre Dame Athletic Director Pete Pavakwa, PAC-12 Commissioner Teresa Gould, West Virginia President Gordon G, and Utah defensive end Lance Holtsklaw. Remember, the... Tech College Sports Act, written after months of negotiation between Senator Ted Cruz and Senator Maria Cantwell, would provide the NCAA with an antitrust exemption to enforce several rules that have been challenged in court in recent years, and they are rather significant, Kev, limiting athletes to transferring schools only one time without penalty. That's huge. Limiting athlete eligibility to a maximum of five years. This one here, common sense, prohibiting former professional athletes. from playing in college, prohibiting schools from poaching a coach from another school during their sports season. Now, Ted Cruz called this the Lane Kiffin rule, of course, referring to LSU's hire of Kiffin from Old Miss last November. Sabin, meanwhile, said the bill, and I'm quoting here, isn't perfect, and I'm sure many, many adjustments need to be made. Meanwhile, the bill would give the NCAA and college school. Sports Commission legal cover to enforce a spending cap for how much each school can pay its athletes. Kev, how about this? Sabin said that in his first year with a collective, Alabama had a $2.7 million in NIL funds. It has since increased to $10 million, $17 million, and $24 million. And then Coach Saban said, now you have schools that have close to $40 million rosters. Bavakwa, meanwhile, said a realistic cap is needed and the current $20.5 million house settlement cap per school is too low. Now, the new bill does not address, and this is rather significant, does not address whether college athletes should be considered in. employees, with Ted Cruz telling ESPN that references to student athletes throughout was a deliberate choice and a compromise that I had to make to get bipartisan support. Bovacqua cautioned that further financial disparity could eventually result in a Super League, and that has been a thought for a while that includes the wealthiest college football programs in the country. And in closing, Kev, it's important to note that on the eve of this hearing, SEC issued a joint statement with the Big Ten saying they do not support the bill as drafted because it leaves critical issues unresolved. Remember, when we discuss this on your fine program not that long ago, Senator Maria Cantwell, part of her idea was schools pool the television revenue that each conference brings in. Obviously, the SEC, the Big Ten, bringing in a gazillion.

dollars and I don't think they want to share that at all. Yeah, hopefully they can move this thing along and get this thing straightened out. Steve Courtney, WJR Sports Analyst, we appreciate you. All right, bring the Cardinal to its knees, would you? You got it, sir. I'll do my best. War of the WJR Pier, Michigan Golf Tour coming up after the break. We are live from St. John's Resort in Plymouth, home of the Cardinal. It's all talked. I'm Kevin Deetz. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Dietz. We are on the WJR Pure Michigan Golf Tour. We are live from St. John's Resort in Plymouth, home of the championship course. The Cardinal had a chance to play that yesterday. Absolutely beautiful course. Close to home, resort-like field, fabulous place. You definitely want to come out and give it a try. The 2006 Live Golf Championship will also be here at the Cardinal in August. And also if you make it out here, take a little time and play the little seven hole. little cardinal course very challenging all par threes uh very fun work on your short game you can find out everything you need to know by going to st john's resort dot com all right this was a story that uh just kind of breaks your heart it's it's like a it's like every parent's nightmare uh in worst fear a high school prom You know, it's supposed to be just the most memorable night of a student's life. Everybody looks forward. Instead, students at Clintondale High School saw their prom canceled just one hour before it was scheduled to begin after authorities received a tip through Michigan's OK to say system that a student might bring a firearm to the event. School officials and Michigan State Police and Clinton Township Police Department, they were all forced to huddle up just an hour before prom started and decide whether they proceed. you know, try and tighten up security, or do they cancel an event months in the making to ensure student safety? Ultimately, they chose to shut it down. The incident just shows the growing role of anonymous tip lines and school resource officers and threat assessment and really the difficult decisions facing law enforcement and educators in an area where threats can no longer be ignored. Join us now is Ned Timmons. He is the president and founder of LSS Consulting. He's also a former FBI agent. Good morning. How are you? Good morning, Kevin. I appreciate you being here. What happens behind the scenes when a tip like this comes into OK to say? Well, based on whatever information they have, they're going to try to identify this person that allegedly was going to bring a gun to the prom or to school and do a quick background on him, find out where he is. get him under surveillance or get him, bring him in and find out what's going on in his head. I'm sure that any threat that comes in is looked at as credible until proven otherwise. But not every threat that comes into some event shuts down the event, right? Many threats come in all the time that we never hear about and events go forward. Is that correct? Yes, Kevin, but, you know, the law enforcement and the school officials put their heads together, and they made an excellent decision. All their kids are alive this morning. Nobody's injured. Nobody's deceased. You know, they made a decision. We can reschedule a problem. We can't bring somebody back that's been shot or injured.

You've got to take, this is like the old days. You don't make a threat on an airline. They jerk you off it or stop there, turn the airline around. You don't make these threats. Now, obviously, this individual told somebody, so he's looking for attention to begin with. So he told somebody he was bringing a gun. The reason he tells somebody is because he wants attention. So. Walk me through the discussion that's going on because does law enforcement, do they talk about, well, what if we were to increase enforcement? What if we have time to put up a metal detector or things like that? Or do they just automatically a threat comes in and events canceled? Well, they make a decision, but you saw it the president's... press breakfast or dinner or whatever it was, this guy stormed the front lines. The shooter has the advantage of picking the time, the place, and the degree of violence. Even if you put metal detectors up, we don't know if this guy is going to plan something in the parking lot before or after the prom. We don't know. So we have to be careful. We have to do with the good. I think something comes in an hour before. It doesn't give you much time or much choice with a situation like a prom. And like you said, of course, you can reschedule a prom. I wonder, though, how, because. You know, I just feel terrible for these kids who have been looking forward to this for four years and one hour before their big event. You know, the police say go home. The problem is canceled. Will law enforcement go after? this will they investigate this fine the if it's if it's a false if it's a false threat will they go after the person who called it in if it's a fake threat and if it's if it's a real threat obviously they'll pursue it and try and find out you know who the person is if they if they had a gun you know if they had a plan with a gun absolutely they'll they'll re-interview the person that that uh advise them of this information and that can't be appreciated enough you know it takes people to speak up and then they're going to identify the person that allegedly had this gun and why he wasn't bringing it there just to show it to somebody at prom okay he if he already told somebody that he had this gun he's he's seeking attention And we're going to have to evaluate his mental stability, what his thoughts were. I would guess they've already gotten called into the police station if they know who he is.

That's probably already going on. Yeah. The OK to Say tip line, really important. I think people need to have an easy way to call in and an anonymous way to call in and try and get that information. I can only imagine it's prevented a lot of violence in Michigan since OK to say has come around. Well, you know in your business how many shootings we've had, how many, you know, the synagogue in West Bloomfield. It just goes on and on and on all across the country. And you can't be too careful. You don't have room to make a mistake. Law enforcement and the school officials made the right decision. Hats off to them. They had to make a decision that's going to. you know, disappoint a lot of kids. But these are smart kids, okay? They know about all the shootings that have gone on. And law enforcement and the school officials made this decision to protect these kids, to keep them alive today. And then we'll reevaluate the threat. Yeah, that's excellent. Excellent. Ned Timmons, president, founder of LSS consulting, former FBI agent. We appreciate your expertise on this issue. Thank you, Kevin. Yeah, have a great day. Yeah, hopefully they'll be able to reschedule a prom for Clintondale High School, and hopefully they'll have a wonderful time when that takes place. And it is great that we have these tip lines that you can call into. And we encourage people if you see something, say something, even if it's something small, and even if it's going to cancel a major event. Police, I think, did the right thing here and good for them. And hopefully those kids will get their day at their prom. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to continue the WJR, Pure Michigan Golf Tour. We're live from St. John's Resort in Plymouth. That is home to the championship course, the Cardinal, the course everybody is talking about in southeast Michigan. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz.

And it is one of the most remarkable transformations in Michigan hospitality. It's happened right here at St. John's Resort in Plymouth. What was once a historic seminary property has become one of the premier resort destinations in all of the Midwest, whether it's the championship golf at the Cardinal, luxury accommodations, incredible dining, weddings, corporate events, or major national golf tournament. St. Johns has quickly established itself as a destination people are talking about all across the country. Join us now is Dustin Dennis. area managing director at St. John's Resort. Good morning. How are you? Doing well, Kevin. Thank you very much for being here today. I mean, I love coming here. What a fabulous property. We're sitting out here on the patio out in front of Doyles right now, and you could sit here all day and watch the people putt and come and go. It's just a fabulous park setting here. I mean, it's great. It's great for the guests. And to be honest, I set up sometimes my office out here. So if you're in the area, you might get a table touch by me. Yes. Yeah. So I can't believe the Monarch Ballroom has already celebrated its first anniversary. Talk about some of these special things that have taken place over the first year. Yeah, and you know, it's remarkable. We're starting to have its one-year anniversary. It's right around the corner. So since opening, we've been able to host 30 weddings, 48 corporate events. I mean, this is a 24,000 square feet. venue. It's one of the largest luxury event spaces in Michigan. So it's allowing us to host events that we simply weren't able to. to before. So with that space, we're able to accommodate a thousand guests plus. And many of our corporate events and gala's and fundraising initiatives have generated thousands of dollars for charitable causes, local and around the world. So we're very excited about the space. Yeah, I've really been pointing out all day long how special that is that whether you're playing around a golf or you're having your wedding here or you're having dinner, the money ends up going to help other people. That is just a fabulous feeling. I mean, it's great that the organization does that. But even as consumers, that's great for us to be able to, we're going to come out and have dinner, come out and play golf or have a conference somewhere. Why not in a place that's helping people? And it's just, it's fabulous. That's correct. I mean, your dollars are not going back to private equity. They're going to a better cost all the time. So this place is excellent as far as that goes and different as far as hospitality. I mean, you just don't see this. I can't even imagine how wonderful a wedding. would be here. I mean, what a great place to be able to start your union together. Oh, it is. It's a great space. It's great for that. But beyond the events themselves, these gatherings, they've created lasting memories for family, friends, and organizations that would be talked about for generations. So that's what we're very proud of is being that special, being part of that special experience. Yeah. We're feeling it today. It's a beautiful day. What are some of the things that people can look forward to this summer? So we've obviously got the Cardinal golf course out here. Unbelievable. And that's, I mean, it's a phenomenal facility and a great space. With that we've also got the little Cardinal that a lot of people don't know about. And it's great for families. We've got a par three golf course out here, as well as a putting course that people don't know about. And we host monthly putting parties. So we'd love to invite anybody that's listening today to come out to our putting party. Please see our website for event details on that. But we've got one coming up in the next.

next couple weeks. But then as well, the space we're sitting on right now. We've got Doyle's patio, but we also have the five terrace. And then this hidden little space that's right around the corner here, Doyle's backyard. You know, we've got it set up for cornhole and yard games. So families can come, have a meal, and then just relax out in the lawn. Yeah, I was watching families play cornhole yesterday out here. I got to play the Cardinals, beautiful course. And I was watching them play cornhole. And after coming by, watching other families out on the putting green. their family's out on the little card. I mean, this is a place. It's not, you know, we talk golf, golf, golf, but it's not just about, you know, these serious, serious golfers. I mean, this is a place that has something for everybody. For sure. I mean, yes, for those that might not be as interested in taking a full 18 hole, a roundout, you can come and just smack balls of the driving range, or you can come and put. I mean, to me, this is, this is special, and it touches everything in golf. How significant is it that? You're going to host this live golf team championship this year. And how did it go last year? The exposure was unbelievable. I was here and then I watched it on TV. I can't believe how great this place looks on television. I mean, I can because I'm here and I see it. But to get that kind of exposure and really international exposure. Absolutely. I mean, the exposure was tremendous. But just to see this place come alive with maximizing its potential, I mean, just the course and then you had the concert events that were going on. as well where we were hosting 12,000 people. I mean, it's something this place has never seen. And I truly, I don't believe this area has seen. So it's very exciting. And it's something we're very proud of that we were at. successfully. And coming this year, it'll just be even better for guests and a smoother experience for them too. Yeah, tell us a little more about how the concerts worked. The concerts worked. So we had Imagine Dragons and then we had Swedish House Mafia on Sunday. So after the event itself, everybody just migrated over to the concert venue and as soon as the event ended up with the last team championship going on, whatever, then the concert started about 30 minutes after the event. So it was great. You know, we've been talking on this golf tour about the economic impact of golf in Michigan, $6.1 billion, a billion dollars in tourism. People come in here from all over. Are you seeing a lot of people coming here? And what kind of economic impact is it for the local people that you're employing and whatnot? Yeah, I mean, we have a large team here. So the impact is huge. But, yes, we are seeing this become more of a destination golf resort. Now, we are a local's favorite, I would say, but we are seeing more people come in due to. to having lived, the exposure there. So as this has evolved, what are some of the milestones that you have hit? And what are the things that you're most proud of? Well, I can't talk about the specific milestones on radio here. But what I'm most proud of is the team, right? To see the team come together and make this course one of the best, I'd say, in Michigan, if not the United States. I mean, we had Ian Polter talk about this is one of the best greens he's ever putted on. Like, think about how impactful that is, right? He has played every golf course that's out there that's of high level and high caliber. And to say that is huge. So very proud of the team, Nick Beck's, Kevin Peck, all the guys there in front operations and back operations. So very, very proud of them. Yeah, absolutely. And I think what strikes me when I come out here to St. John's Resort is it just always feels like an experience. And maybe that goes back to the.

hospitality that you're talking about but you feel like you can't it's and all of a sudden you transported into this place and when you leave you just say I can't wait to go back I mean how do you put that match It's the team, once again, right? It's wanting to put a smile on everyone's face that walks through our gate, right? Whether you're here to play around to golf, whether you're here for a meal, whether you're here for an all-encompassing stay or an event. Our job is for you to leave with a smile on your face. So that's what we pride ourselves on, and that's what we're going to keep doing and try to do better every day. Well, you're knocking it out of the park. Dustin, area managing director. Appreciate you being here and appreciate you spending some time with us. Thank you and the WJR team for being here today. All right. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Dietz. The WJR Pure Michigan Golf Tour is well underway. We are live from St. John's Resort in Plymouth, home to the championship course, the Cardinal. That's the course everyone is talking about in southeast Michigan. It's also home to the 2026 Live Golf Championship coming up in August. You can find out everything you need to know about the resort, the weddings, dining here, the golf by going to St. Johns Resort.com. Make a trip out here to Plymouth. You will ask. Absolutely love it. Veteran 60 Minutes correspondent, Scott Pelly, he was fired by CBS News after a public clash with network management over the future of one of the most respected news programs in television history. Pelley spent decades at CBS and became one of the most recognizable faces in broadcast journalism. He accused the network leadership of trying to inject falsehoods and politic bias into reporting and claimed the integrity of 60 minutes was being undermined. In a meeting, he said something. along the lines of, hey, you're trying to murder 60 minutes. CBS management didn't care for it much, and they let him go. Join us now is Matt Friedman, co-founder of Tanner Friedman Strategic Communications. Good morning. How are you? Hi, Kevin. The TV business keeps us talking. Never a dull week, it seems. But this one is, I think, really significant to a lot of people because of the reach and respect of 60 Minutes. Yeah, well, 60 Minutes is absolutely huge. It's the gold standard of journalism. It really is. I still watch every week. I recorded it. and I think they still do excellent work over there. But clearly something's going on behind the scenes. What is your take on what's happening? I think there's a few things happening at once. One of the reasons I like talking to you on the air is we can agree that multiple things can be true at the same time. So one of the things that is definitely true is that while 60 minutes still commands a big audience, that audience is aging and it's not growing. And so there needs to be some evolution at the show, and any management team that comes in is going to have a mandate to do that. I think that's true. Number two is at the same time, the people on the inside of CBS News have been trying to tell us for months.

that something is going on there that they don't like, that there's an element of politics and placating the presidential administration that is happening inside that company, and they've been trying to let us know. So I think both of those things are happening at the same time, and management has a change mandate at the same time the people on the inside don't like the way it's changing, and that's leading to now three correspondence in the last seven days, along with the executive producer being replaced. We have been talking about corporate ownership or even news. management or sales divisions, you know, finding their way into the newsroom for, I don't know, decades now. I would think that Scott Pelly is well aware of what's been going on and what's been happening. Does it surprise you at all that he would stand up and say these kinds of things? It's almost as if it sounds as if it's newer. Maybe he's just frustrated to a new level. Yeah, I think something new is going on here, and I think what's really the most new, perhaps, is that it's affecting 60 minutes. I've had a chance in the last couple of days to talk to some friends who've worked at the network level, and they've explained to me that 60 minutes has been kept separate, literally and figuratively, across the street from the rest of CBS News, for decades, and was really... its own thing, its own money-making machine, but also its own newsmaking machine. And the fact that it's now being touched by these changes at CBS are going to get an investigative reporter like Scott Pelly, number one, upset, but number two, he's going to try to expose what's going on. That's his nature. And I think, you know, if we're going to trust him... to go into other businesses around the country and expose what's going on there. I think we have to trust him on what he says about is happening at CBS, too. Okay, so we've both been in meetings where management and the workforce disagree on direction and things like that and good. organizations, they appreciate the thoughts of the employees. They may act on them or they may not. It is their ball so they can play however they want. But what do you make of, you know, what Scott Pelley did there? Was he standing up for those without a voice or did he go too far and say things that put them, you know, squarely in the line of rightfully being let go? I think it's up to management people and HR people to make that characterization. What I can tell you, though, after working now in decades with companies that are having issues and reputational issues, is that when recordings of meetings, internal meetings leak to the outside.

That is evidence of a dysfunctional culture on the inside. That's what happened here. On Monday, there was what was supposed to be an internal meeting with the new executive producer at 60 minutes. Within hours, it seemed, a transcript and a recording of that meeting leaked to the outside. That's the sign of something really wrong at this company, just like it is within government or within business whenever that happens. That's just another sign that there's something really unusual happening here. What does letting Scott Pelley say to these, whether on air or behind the scenes? Yeah, essentially what CBS has done is they've let Scott Pelly become the de facto spokesperson for the situation. We haven't heard much from them about what is happening, about what the future of the show is going to be. I think there's going to be a lot of curiosity now. I think their most watched episode of the year might be that first episode following football in September because there's... people feel like CBS 60 Minutes in particular is a part of the family, a part of their routine on Sundays. And so I think there's going to be curiosity about that. But so far, we as viewers have no indication about what the plan is and what 60 minutes is going to look like. We've all seen people come and go. People are replaceable. Do you think this is different? Do you think 60 Minutes loses a large part of their audience because of the way they treated Scott Pelly? Or do they show up in September and watch because they think 60 Minutes does a good job telling stories? Well, there's the old saying that cemeteries are full of people who thought they were irreplaceable. And it isn't just about one person. It's about three correspondence, maybe more. And that's really the brand of 60 Minutes or the people in front of the camera that make that trusted connection with the audience. Think about the introduction to the show. They all introduce themselves almost like the player introductions at an all-star game. These are the best of the best. So you lose Cynthia Vega, you lose Sharon Alfonsi, you lose Scott Pelly. We don't know about the remaining three correspondents. That's going to make a difference. Beyond that curiosity factor in September, can the brand endure without the trusted journalists? That's something that we've never really had to test before in our society with a program that has had the impact that this has had. What lesson should we take away from this? I think the lesson is for everybody that media is changing. Media must evolve, but those sources that you trust must maintain that trust or they risk going away. And when they go away, they can't be replaced. They won't be replaced. And that's why this is important, and that's why I'm glad we're talking about it. And I would encourage your audience to start thinking about it. Nobody's liked every story that's been on 60 minutes. They take a lot of risks. They usually get it right. Sometimes they've gotten it wrong. They've usually taken on both parties. They've taken on big business and small business and state governments and just about everybody. There's sooner or later, if you think about it enough, there will be a 60-minute story you can think back on and that's affected you. And that's why this is important.

Matt Freeman, co-founder of Tanner Freeman's Strategic Communications. Thanks for the conversation. Anytime, Kevin. Enjoy being out there in Plymouth, nice spot. Beautiful, beautiful spot. Yeah, boy, what would that be like if we had all fresh faces next year on 60 minutes? Would people appreciate that or would they stop watching? Usually you want a slow transition when you're making moves like that. This is moving very quickly. More from the WJR, Pier, Michigan Golf Tour after this. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deeds. It's a beautiful day out here in Plymouth, Michigan. The WJR Pure Michigan Golf Tour continues across this incredible state. Today we are at St. John's Resort in Plymouth. You know, all week we've been celebrating great golf. We've been to Mount Pleasant. We've been to Gaylord. We've been to Boyne. We've seen some of the most beautiful golf courses Michigan has to offer. Today feels a little different. Yesterday, I spent time on the Cardinal and make no mistakes. The golf is outstanding. The course is beautiful. The conditions are spectacular. And later this summer, some of the best players in the world will arrive here for the live golf team championship. Michigan golf can stand toe to toe with anybody. It's that good. But what really impresses me wasn't really... the golf or the bunkers or the green. It's the mission behind this entire property. Most of us never think about where the profits from a resort go. We book the room. We enjoy the dinner. We play golf and head home. At St. John's, it's different. The success of this resort helps support programs that feed people, educate people, provide housing and create opportunities for those in need of a helping hand. And that's pretty remarkable because... We live in a time when people often question motives and institutions yet. Here's a place. generosity can go hand in hand and maybe that's why St. John's just feels a little different. There's a sense of purpose at this resort. The people working here aren't just running a hotel or maintaining a golf course. They're part of something bigger. At the end of the day, most of us want the same things. We want to spend time with family and friends. We want to make memories and we want to know we're making a positive difference along the way. St. John's Resort has found a way to connect all of those things. It's pretty cool. You bring your spouse for a weekend getaway, take a golf trip with your friends. You can attend a wedding or host a business meeting here. And while you're doing it, you're helping people you probably have never met. That's a pretty powerful idea. So today our stop on the WJR Pure Michigan Tour reminds us that golf can be more than recreation. A resort can be more than hospitality and success can be more than just being about the profits. Sometimes the best destinations aren't just beautiful. They're meaningful. And that's exactly what I found here at St. John's Resort in... Plymouth. It's really pure Michigan at its very best. All right, we want to get you caught up with some news. Maria Osborne is with us. It's been in the works for more than a year and now momentum maybe building at the state capital for a major economic development deal that could reshape Detroit's riverfront. Marie, good morning. And good morning, Kevin. Top Democrats say their hopeful lawmakers can reach an agreement on expanding a key initiative program and it's used to finance large redevelopment projects. This proposal.

would raise the cap on Michigan's transformational brownfield funds, creating room for some new developments, and that would include a potential overhaul of the Renaissance Center. The issue is now tied up in some budget talks. Republican House leadership is pushing for a wide-ranging deal that pairs business incentives with property tax relief and other spending priorities. The Brownfield program lets developers reinvest a portion of tax revenue generated by their projects to cover construction. costs and supporters argue it's been critical in jump starting some of the major developments that we're seeing across the state as well as attracting some new business. However, there are critics and they question whether wealthy developers even need additional tax breaks. Kevin, you might remember that some of the design ideas that have been undertaken here with the Renaissance Center would be for two of the four office towers to be removed. The towers would be dismantled piece by piece rather than imploded to avoid any debris hazards. So three towers would remain reconfigured for... office hospitality and housing bedrock Detroit. Well, the riverfront is absolutely stunning. It is beautiful. You know, ranked number one, the river walk there, the boardwalk. I'm really excited about the plans to move this forward, Marie. I just really think that we have just really been hitting it out of the park when it comes to our riverfront and how far it's come since you and I started in news down in Detroit, right? I know. It was totally different, totally different. Part of what we've learned. since the 70s when the Renaissance Center was constructed is that people want to feel welcome they want you have to draw people down to the riverfront not push them away and there was this feeling with the Renaissance Center that it was like this fortress that just kept people back so the opening up of the River Walk was one big help and now they want to reconfigure the Renaissance Center itself to even make it more welcoming, to have more green space there so that you can walk right from the foot of Woodward there, right down to the walk, to the river walk, and enjoy the whole thing, right down to Bell Isle and up the other way as well. Well, it sounds like they're on the right track. Marie Osborne, thank you so much. We appreciate it. President Donald Trump said negotiations with Iran are progressing well and suggested a potential agreement could come within days. Trump indicated that reopening this. Strait of her moves could happen immediately upon signing a deal. The comments come despite continued military exchanges involving the region. Congress remains divided with some lawmakers questioning the administration's military actions and authority. The situation remains fluid as diplomats continue indirect communications between Washington and Tehran. Trump commented this morning that he thinks it's possible.

weekend. Donald Trump also announced plans to nominate Todd Blanche as Attorney General after Todd Blanche served in an acting capacity at the Justice Department. Todd Blanche previously represented Trump as a personal attorney before joining the administration. Supporters argue he has aggressively implemented the president's agenda. Critics claim his actions blur the line between independent law enforcement and political loyalty. The nomination is expected to spark a contentious confirmation debate. The Trump administration is expected to unveil a $700 million initiative aimed at boosting the American coal industry. The plan includes funding for existing coal plants, new facilities, and export infrastructure. Officials are... Critical for energy security and rising electricity demands driven by artificial intelligence. Coal's share of the U.S. electricity generation has fallen dramatically over the past two decades. Environmental groups are expected to oppose the effort while industry supporters certainly would welcome it. The Senate took a major step toward approving additional funding for Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Republicans advanced the package without Democratic support through the budget reconciliation process. Democrats are expected to force numerous amendment votes during debate. Some controversial Trump administration priorities have reportedly been removed from the legislation. If approved by the Senate, the measure would still need House approval. Congressional committees are holding hearings examining China's influence inside the United States and its role in the fentanyl crisis. Lawmakers will hear testimony regarding alleged efforts by Beijing to intimidate dissidents living in America. Another hearing focuses on Chinese precursor. in fentanyl production. The hearings coincide with the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre. Officials continue to describe China as America's most significant geopolitical challenge. Florida authorities arrested a former police officer accused of stealing the identity of a deceased man. Investigators alleged the suspect accumulated more than $10,000 in fraudulent charges. death. Family members reportedly discovered the fraud nearly two years later while reviewing mail. Detectives say evidence placed the suspect at locations where the purchases occurred. The former officer now faces multiple fraud-related charges. And finally, agriculture officials confirmed the discovery of a new world screw worm infestation in California and South Texas. The parasites larva consume living tissue and pose a serious threat to livestock. Authorities immediately established a quarantine zone around the The area officials emphasize there is no threat to the food supply and the infected calf is expected to recover. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. We are on the WJR Pure Michigan Golf Tour. Today we are live from St. John's Resort in Plymouth.

Of the championship golf course, the Cardinal, and home to the 26 Live Golf Championship. You can find out everything you need to know about the resort, the golf, the dining, the fun by going to St.john's Resort.com. Former Congressman George Santos, who became infamous for fabricating large portions of his biography and was later expelled from Congress, now finds himself at the center of yet another federal investigation. This time, regulators are... whether George Santos illegally bet on a prediction market contact involving his own attendance at President Trump's State of the Union address. Join us now as Michael Vallata, Federal Criminal Defense Attorney and former federal prosecutor. Good morning, Michael. Good morning, Kevin. And what a perfect golf course for you as a Catholic boy from Brother O. Right? This is the perfect spot for me, and it's gorgeous out here. And all the money that's spent out here goes to help educate. eat the hungry and that's just a wonderful wonderful spot to be really is really is great are we really surprised here that George Santos is at the center of this type of scandal someone that's creating a whole persona from scratch i know people say yeah i'm dying in the 9-11 lied about working at golden and sex a lot about pretty much everything Yeah, people say it's too crazy to believe. I don't know. I kind of believe it with this guy. George Santos, what a character. It's on brand, Kevin. It's on brand. So what's the accused of doing? I don't know that everybody really understands what a prediction market is. Yeah, let me talk about that a little bit. So a prediction market is, it's kind of like the stock market where you could buy, instead of buying stock, you're buying predictions. You're buying weather or not. You could buy whether or not the Spurs are going to win the NBA finals, but you can also purchase predictions on things like what words are, you know, is George Santos going to use in an interview. That actually was one of the bets that that was out there on the prediction market. So it's like insider, it's like the stock market, but with, with. events that happen that happen in our country or I guess anywhere you can bet on on what inflation will be what number inflation will rise by a certain date you can you know buy by these these predictions essentially yeah there's been some news reports about you know information on the war in Iran you know predict say a strike will hit or something like that and there's been concerns about people there's been people already prosecuted to them yeah that's right people have been already prosecuted for this kind of thing there was a u.s. army special forces officer who bet on the capture of nicholas medoro of venezuela because he was in on the capturing him so he had the insider information so it really opens up a huge Pandora's box of potential prosecutions for wire fraud or violations of the Commodities Exchange Act. But that industry is regulated by something called the CFTC, which is the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Think of it like the SEC, but for commodity futures, and also now for this prediction market, the regulating the market. So they're saying George Santos may have...

Would you bet on prediction market? I couldn't ever imagine betting on something like this where it just seems like there's always people out there that can influence the outcome. Sure. Just like the employees at Google recently that were betting on what the most frequent search terms were when they had inside knowledge of what those terms were. It's kind of unfair to view that. Yeah, I guess I'm not even going to go on those sites and look at what people are betting on. I don't want to be, I don't want to be influenced. I don't want to be tempted. I don't want to be tempted. I don't want to be tempted. I mean, I'm just going to stay away. Michael Ballada, federal criminal defense attorney and former federal prosecutor. Thank you so much. Appreciate your expertise. My pleasure. Yeah, the judge is not going to like this. If he's found guilty of doing this, George Santos, who's already been convicted and then let out of prison back in trouble changing what happens in these prediction markets. I don't know. Do you guys play the prediction markets? I just don't. I can't see myself doing that. All right, hey, it's WJR's Tim McGrath VIP experience. That's your chance to rock when country music legend Tim McGrath brings his pawn show guitar tour to Pine Now Music Theater August 28th. Now, you can win a pair of premium pavilion tickets, transportation, courtesy of metro cars, and $100 to Buddy's Pizza. How to enter? What you've got to do is you need to download our mobile app. And when you download the free WJR mobile app, you're going to find the secret keyword there. And then text that keyword to 800, 859-0957. That will make you eligible for your chance to win a pair of pavilion tickets, transportation, courtesy of metro cars, and $100 to Buddy's Pizza for Tim McGraw, pawn show guitar tour, Pineda Music Theater on August the 28th. Good luck. We are on the WJR Pure Michigan Tour, and today we are live from St. John Resort in Plymouth. It's home of the championship. of course, the Cardinal, and home to the 2026 Live Golf Championship. You can find out everything you need to know by going to St. John. We'll be right back. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz.

As we traveled across Michigan on the WJR Pure Michigan Golf Tour, we have seen some incredible golf destinations, but few places have transformed themselves as dramatically as St. John's Resort in Plymouth. What was once a historic seminary campus has become one of the most talked-about resort destinations in all of America. Today, St. Johns is known as Michigan's number one resort experience featuring 200 acres of luxury accommodations, championship golf, world-class dining, spectacular event space, beautiful outdoor gathering areas, and a mission. unlike any other resort in the country. Joining us now is Sarah Carr, Director of Marketing at St. John's Resort. Wow. You got a lot going on here. I sure do. It's awesome. It's fantastic. It's summer, and this place just really just comes alive. 100%. There's so much to do with the property that I think people don't even realize because we have everything from weddings to corporate events, but we also have so much that the public can come to. From our dining outlets to events around the property to golf, I mean, you name it. We're really the place to be in the summertime. Yeah, so. Big picture overview for someone who hasn't been here. Draw a picture for us. For someone that's never been here. Wow. Yes. So, I mean, 200-acre property. We have seven, almost eight ballrooms, incredible event capacity to hold any, you know, internal events, external events, concerts in the courtyard. And we have three dining outlets. We have five steakhouse, the wine grotto and Doyle's Irish pub, which has a beautiful sprawling patio overlooking the golf course. No shortage of things to do at the property. We have 124 hotel rooms. And obviously the golf course, the Cardinal 18 hole course. We have the little cardinal and the cardinal putting course. So we're just bursting with things to do. When you're here at the hotel as a guest, we have yoga almost every single weekend. We have a concert coming up next week that we're hosting in the Monarch Courtyard. We have putting parties. We have martini Monday, trivia Tuesday, wine Wednesday. Especially if the local community doesn't know about us, definitely pop in and see what we have going on. Yeah, I played the cardinal yesterday. And from just coming through the entrance, you start to feel like you're somewhere else. And then you're out on that course. And it's hard to picture you're in Plymouth, Michigan. Yeah. You might be in the south of France or something. I don't know. I mean, it's just park. It's remarkable. It's like this park. It's like, but as soon as it's like, I don't know, it's like, I just got ditch the phone and just relax. I mean, talk a little. bit about what the resort experience is because I think most people think of that being something that's really far away. And you're right here in southeast Michigan. Yes, exactly. It really can be that retreat. And we see that all the time. We'll have, we'll see couples getaways or families just come spend the weekend here. And it really does. It takes you out of kind of the busyness of life. And we are. We're right here in Plymouth. So we're not, you know, not far from Metro Detroit. And there's so much to do. So you can, you can come here and, you know, golf.

The Little Cardinal is great for families. You can do a tea time on the Little Cardinal with your whole family or the putting course, which to come play the putting course, it's included in our resort fee, so it's free for anyone staying at the hotel. Tons of dining options. We have an indoor pool, fitness center. I mean, you name it if you're looking for a getaway, family, couple, whoever, or if you have people from out of town, we're just a great one-stop shop. And, you know, if you want to venture off to... Northville or Plymouth and get some shopping and it's two miles away. Everyone talks about the golf here because the Cardinal is so amazing, but you could come here and not golf at all. Yeah, exactly. And we see that. So, I mean, we'll have couples that come and, you know, the wife maybe would prefer to enjoy a glass of wine in the grotto while the husband's out, you know, with the tea time and it works out. Everybody's happy. Right. Kids are on the putting green. Everybody's happy. It's fantastic. That's amazing. Talk a little bit about the live golf championship because a lot of people are talking about St. John's Restore. because of that tournament. You went through it last year. What surprised you last year? What are you looking forward to this year? Oh, man. I mean, everything surprised me last year in the best way possible. That was the first golf tournament I've been a part of, and boy, this place just came to life. It was sensational to host the players, the live team. Everyone that was a part of putting on the tournament was so fantastic to work with and we're so excited for their opportunity to come back this. year and to do it all again and just the electricity on the course from the concerts to the to how well it was executed as a tournament i mean it was so much fun not even for just the staff here but the attendees from the players everything i mean it was incredible it's the highlight of the year for us last year and we're so excited to do it all again yeah this year it will probably be more fun for you because you won't be worried about what what if this happens or what if that happens now you've done it you've seen it it was a huge success yes and probably can look forward to it. I think what's nice about St. John's Resort is that every time you come here, it can be and is a different experience because you can do so many different things. It just has a different feel every time you come. Yeah, there's always different things that you can do, especially we host so many public events and a lot of free events, community events. So always log on to our website, St.John's Resort.com, and go to... our things to do page and you can always see what we have coming up and tomorrow we have our our putting our second putting party of the year so free to attend come out put for free it's a Detroit theme we're playing all Detroit music they go burners Detroit sliders coney dogs you name it it's going to be a great time live DJ this is tomorrow uh Friday the fifth and from five to eight yeah and the proceeds are going to go to midnight golf which gets uh people in detroit into the game of golf talk a little bit about the mission of this place because i think that's really what makes it most special of all 100 and and it's something we try to scream from the rooftops and and get people to know but yes every single dollar of profit from

Everything we do with the property goes to charity. So you stay at the hotel, those profits go to charity. You do a round of golf, those profits go to charity. Everything that we do goes to charity at the end of the day. So it is an absolute dream job for me to promote this beautiful property and know that our funds are going to change the world. Yeah, I was saying earlier, you know, when. Golf is kind of like good for my soul. Giving is good for my soul. You know, you put these things together and you go out and you golf. You have a great time. You come in. You have dinner. Yep. You stay at the hotel and maybe go to the spa. every step along the way you're doing something good for somebody you you will probably never meet but but that's the mission of this place and i just think i just think it should make um folks who come here feel really good and and because it's really good work that you guys are doing yeah 100 and and it's fantastic too because a lot of you know the charities we will work with are you know global but also we do a lot locally a ton of of charities that we support Metro Detroit. And also they weave into, you know, what we're doing day to day. If we have. extra banquet food left over from a wedding and maybe they ordered too much. We call up our partners at Food Rescue Detroit and they come take that hot food to local homeless shelters that need it. So we're really connected in every way of giving back and helping serve our community, better lives, help those in need. So it's really an honor. It's incredible. Sarah Carr, Director of Marketing at St. John's Resort. Thanks for spending some time with us today. Thank you so much. All right. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deas. We are on the WJR Pier Michigan Golf Tour live from St. John's Resort in Plymouth, home to the championship course, the Cardinal, and home to the 2026 Live Golf Championship. You can find out everything you need to know by going to st.jonsresort.com. This summer, one of Detroit's most beloved attractions is saying thank you to the people who serve and protect our communities every day, beginning May 26 and continuing through Labor Day, September 7th, first responders and their families can enjoy free admission to Michigan Science Center. The program honors Detroit police officers, firefighters, EMS personnel, and emergency responders by giving them access to one of Michigan's premier educational destinations. It's also a chance for families to spend time together, explore science and technology exhibits, and enjoy hands-on learning. create lasting memories. Dr. us now is Dr. Christian Gereer, President and CEO of the Michigan Science Center. Good morning. Good morning, Kevin. Thanks for having us on. Boy, I appreciate you being here. Walk us through what a day will be like for these first responders who are going to be honored in this way.

Well, we're very excited to be able to do this, celebrating the nationwide America's 250th commemoration, and also to be able to launch our Science of Safety program. You know, there's science or science, technology, engineering, and math, and everything around us. And you have to have those stem goggles in order to see this. We've had a great relationship with Detroit area, police, and fire over the years. They've supported us on a number of things. And something that happened recently. was during spring break we had a packed building and the sensor was triggered in our iMacs theater it was kind of a muggy day and the fog in the iMac theaters just hung in the air caused the the alarm to go off so we had to call the fire department The fire department shows up, they said it's a false alarm, right? And we said, yeah, because we always blow things up in chemistry demos and stuff. And every now and then we have an issue. And, you know, I really did not want them to have to come all the way out there with everybody outside of the building, family, school groups, and such for the evacuation. But right as they're about to leave, one of the firefighters gets on the horn and goes, you know, for the kids, and they cheered. And I was thinking, it would be great if they could do this every week, you know. Obviously, we don't want the fire to fire to show up. Right. A false alarm every week. But you get the concept. So that's what we were trying to do. And likewise with police. They've come by to help us with a couple things over the years, and a lot of them have hung around to look at space capsules and stuff that they wanted to see because they were interested in it, like little kids, and they remember coming to the science center. So you get the idea. It's kind of like we want to try to give them, honor our hometown heroes, give them a chance to bring their families out for free and other discounts in the store and with memberships just to celebrate who they are, who they are to the community, and enjoy the Science Center. I love that. That's fabulous. What makes the Michigan Science Center such a great destination? Well, we want to be a cause here in Detroit and a destination throughout Michigan. We have lots of people that come here from far away because their kids may not have access to different things. We've been out to like 90% of the counties. In a two-year period, we'll get out to them with outreach programs. And what we do is we're about putting you at this air of science, creating that agency, giving people a chance to discover for themselves, the principles. and process of science. And the way we do that is through engaging interactive and immersive activities. In other words, give you a chance to see something cool, ask a question about it, and manipulate something to change the outcome so you can learn for yourself these principles. And so it's a fun place to be. We have theaters. We have stage demos. We have experiments, and we do great programs, too, for people to see.

Yeah, what are some of the programs that people can look forward to coming up throughout the summer? Well, our biggest one right now is the opening of our new Penske Planetarium, a renovated planetarium. So those of you that like the round dome and fly out in space, this was created through an initiative called our hyperspace initiative. So if you've ever seen Star Wars, a Millennium Falcon go to hyperspace or warp drive on the enterprise, we actually have the ability through our partners with Smithsonian Astrophysics and NASA to be able to fly people through the universe. through the real scientific data. And so our new show, which is sponsored by Stalantis in the Pinsky Planetarium, is called Race Through the Universe, and we actually take you from Detroit all the way out to the edge of the universe in 25 minutes. So it's a lot of fun. And then finally, the next big thing we have, besides our summer camps, which are fun, I still think we have availability for those, is a maze. We have a maze, the largest. I think it's the largest in the country cardboard maze that exists almost 9,000 square feet. And people get the chance to explore it, get lost in what's called Amazing Detroit. It features different neighborhoods in Detroit that you get to navigate through and learn a little bit about how your brain works. And what's the website where people can find out more information about the first responders events and the Science Center of Burr. Absolutely. To learn more about these programs, please go to my-sci.org. That's MI-S-C-I.org. Or you can just do a web search for Michigan ScienceAer. You'll come to our website and you'll see all the great programs and activities that we have for you. Dr. Christian Greer, President and CEO of the Michigan Science Center. Thanks so much. We really appreciate it. Hey, thank you. And we've got to get you down. We invite your station down to come and check us out and bring their families to. Absolutely. We would love it. We would love it. Thanks so much. All right, as we get ready for the final day of the WJR Pure Michigan Golf Tour tomorrow, I've been thinking about what we've experienced over the past week and what makes Michigan such a special place to live, work vacation, and yes, play golf. The tour has taken us across some of the most beautiful parts of our state. Unbelievable, we started Monday at the Pines Golf Course at Lake Isabella near Mount Pleasant, had the chance to play with John Somerville, the director of golf. It was a perfect way to begin the journey. Central Michigan doesn't always get the same attention as some of the more famous golf destinations, but it should. beautiful fairways and welcoming people and a community that really understands the value of tourism and recreation. Then on Tuesday we headed North the Gaylord and Treetops Resort. Boy, I played the Tom Fosio Premier Course with Barry Owens, the general manager of Treetops. What an afternoon that was. And now I really understand why. People call Gaylord America's summer golf mecca. The elevation changes, the towering pines, the teared greens, unbelievable scenery. Every hole just felt like a postcard. It's really, it's not just golf, it's an experience. And then on Wednesday, we went to Boyne Golf and the Highlands. I spent the day with Ken Griffin playing the hills course. And if you've ever stood on that famous 13th T-box, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Looking out across northern Michigan from that elevated perch, you can see for miles.

And you realize just how beautiful this state really is. It was peaceful. It was serene. It was up north. Golf at its absolute finest. You tee that ball up and you just basically smack it right down to the bottom of the mountain. It seems to fall forever. It's an unbelievable hole at an unbelievable facility. Boeing Golf is definitely something you want to put on your bucket list. Golf is so important. It supports jobs. It supports communities. Here at St. John Resort, today we've been talking about. the cardinal and the little cardinal and the weddings that take place here and all of the fabulous events that go on here in plymouth michigan just you know we're in southeast michigan if you don't want to travel up to northern michigan you don't have to you have st john's right here uh really unbelievable day yesterday out on the cardinal i played uh with nick bex he's the director of golf at st john's resort and uh boy we we had a lot of fun and uh you'll never forget uh number 18 when you play the Cardinal because it's a blind T-shot. You basically aim at a smokestack from the hotel and you hit the ball up and once you get up there you realize how open it is and what a beautiful hole it is and then you play into the green that is surrounded by a beautiful pond and fountain and it's just a fabulous way to finish up your round at the Cardinal. Really, really great and then tomorrow. We're going to the Detroit Golf Club. The history there is well known and unbelievable. It's home of the Rocket Classic, and that's coming up this summer, and we're looking forward to being a big part of that. So we have a lot to talk about tomorrow, about how to put on a big professional tournament like the Rocket Classic, and we'll get into all of that tomorrow. We've really enjoyed having you along on the tour all week long, and we hope that you'll stay with us for the big final day tomorrow. That's going to do it for all talk today from St. John's Resort in Plymouth. We now turn it over to Paul W. Smith and Focus, you're listening to WJR on 760 a.m.