How Long Can Proctor Postpone Being Deposed? | 6.08.26 - The Howie Carr Show Hour 3

I don't know. Better strap yourself in. It's time for the Howie Car Show. It's a happy day. My heart feels like an alligator. Howie Car, Boston Hero Colonist, and Radio Hitman. The public will be truly amazed by that. Howie is sort of an insidious force in this area. It comes from the Tadloid talk show stuff in Boston, and it was concocted there. Live from the Burner Less Lethal Pistol Studio. It is a special pleasure for me to introduce Howie Car. Welcome to the Howie Car Show, 844-542, 844-4-42. And the hearing. For an emergency motion to stop the deposition of corrupt, disgraced ex-Massachusetts state police officer. Michael Proctor is about to get underway again. It was continued today. The judge Gilday gave Proctor's attorney more time to come up with some documents proving that he really is having a personal emergency of whatever kind. And he said the documents they'd already filed were insufficient. It was apparently like a, you know, a note from his mom. saying he wasn't feeling good. But anyway, it's depositions are an interesting thing. And I, and, you know, it's hard to get out of a deposition or I've never even tried to get out of a deposition myself because I knew, I knew it would be frowned upon not only by my own attorneys, but by the judge. More than somewhat. So I wanted to talk to somebody about a lawyer about depositions and how you get out of them and how often this occurs. And so we're joined by Joe Roach. He's a divorce lawyer, mainly he handles the family practice for Eden Rafferty. And he's been on the show before and he's pretty good at, I think he has a pretty good understanding of depositions. Joe, thanks for being with us here on the Howie Car Show. Oh, hi, Howie. It's always nice to be here. Well, listen, tell people what a deposition is, if they don't know briefly, before we get into the circumstances here. What is a deposition?

Sure. I mean, a deposition is an opportunity to process and discovery that allows, you know, you to put somebody under oath and take their testimony before court, you know, instead of, you know, most people think of themselves as witnesses in a case. They're testifying in front of a judge or the jury. A deposition is just an opportunity that you can put somebody under oath and take their testimony, you know, in my office. as part of the discovery process. So it gives you kind of an early look at what somebody might say if you put them on a stand during a trial. Right. And as you're being questioned, there's no judge. You can't object to anything. Yeah, normally there is some objections can be made, but most of the time when you're doing a deposition, the only real objection is to the form of the question. Everything else is reserved for the time of trial. Well, so Proctor got the word. Michael Proctor, you know who he is, the crooked corrupt state cop. He got the word in April, April that he was going to have to give this deposition, even though he's not a party to the case. He's a witness. And so he weighs, so there's no problem until. Karen Reid's attorneys drop all these bombs with these texts, which he had to know was coming because they came right off his phone. And then the day after this thing drops and it's the lead story and all the papers and on TV and everybody's talking about it and as a Paul, his lawyer at 2 o'clock, 2.10 p.m. on Friday afternoon says, oh, my client is not going to be able to make it to the deposition. More than 15 lawyers are going to go to Boston this morning, including Alan Jackson coming in from L.A. to be in attendance and ask these questions after he's been disgraced. And then he says, I don't want to do it anymore. How often does this happen, Joe Roach? I mean, I would say the manner in which this Proctor thing happened is uncommon. It's not uncommon that depositions get rescheduled. A lot of times, you know, you'll schedule a deposition before you have the opportunity to check everybody's calendar or make sure that everybody's available. So lawyers do reschedule depositions pretty often, but... You know, Friday afternoon before people are flying in from California to do a deposition on a Monday morning, that I find to be somewhat convenient. I don't think that that happens very often. And I will be interested to see how this goes for them this afternoon. I know this morning I don't think it went particularly well. You know, I find it somewhat curious the way that his lawyers have handled this today. But on the other hand, if they produce some documents saying he's in some, he's having some kind of mental health problems or family emergency, I mean, the judge is not going to turn him down, is he? I mean, however suspicious he might be, and we certainly all are outside of the courtroom, right? But is the judge going to turn him down?

I mean, I think probably not. I mean, he's already kind of wasted a day, right? I mean, he's supposed to be deposed today, and, you know, he didn't get deposed today. I'm not sure that he's going to get a significant delay other than, you know, I could see what you're saying. Howie? I could see a circumstance where, you know, all of those text messages get released on Thursday evening or Friday morning, and that causes him to have some sort of. you know, mental health crisis, a crisis, that's a good word. So he had to go away for, you know, a long weekend to refresh and recover. Right. I don't think he's going to get out of this. I think that, Mike Vrable, Mike Vrable had to go away for a weekend, but then he was back on Monday. Yeah, he missed A3 in the track now. You got to, you got to feel some punishment, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he went in detail. He talked to the press even. 508 says, is perjury in a deposition the same thing as perjury in court? You are taking testimony under oath. You are sworn in at the beginning of a deposition. So you are absolutely swearing to tell the truth when you are opposed. Like Clinton, Clinton, when he was president, you know, he committed perjury, right? When he say, I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky, and he was disbarred. I guess that depends on what your definition of the word is, is, Tally. You're absolutely correct. And then they said, no one ever goes to prison for lying in a deposition, but then it turned out the 117 people were in prison at the time for lying during depositions. So it can be, but could he take the Fifth Amendment if they said, did you, Mr. Proctor, you said you planted cocaine in those text messages, you said you planted cocaine on defendants. Is that a true statement? You would have to. He would have to be advised by his counsel, and he has the right to take a Fifth Amendment, you know, on some of those things, I think, absolutely. So you could, you can, but see, he would have his lawyer, the A. Blinken look-alike there without the stove pipe hat, Hamill. He would have Hamill in there in the room on State Street with him when he's testifying. Sure. I think that's what part of their argument for delaying today was, is that, you know, the lawyers, I think he's got a team of lawyers who were unable to properly prepare for the deposition today, which, I mean, I've been involved in defendant depositions before, and I've got to be honest with you. It doesn't take a ton of time to prepare for that, because for the most part, you're just sitting there listening to everything and once in a while objecting to the manner in which the other lawyer is talking about. to your clock and he's a he's a witness so so really i mean what kind of jeopardy is he in if he tells the truth

Well, according to his lawyers, too, how he's a minor win. He's almost completely irrelevant to this case. So I'm not sure that they did him any favors with their motion that they filed on Friday because they sort of played up how irrelevant he was to the proceedings and then tried to make it seem like it was. They needed multiple lawyers needed many days to prepare him for his completely irrelevant testimony. And it kept the story alive, you know, for the whole weekend. Yeah, I will say, and this is where I just sort of, you know, the part of me that really appreciate Alan Jackson, I would say that the release, filing that complaint the day before this deposition was, you know, the day before the Friday deadline was. somewhat funny. I mean, truly a work of PR art, you know? The judge didn't seem to like it very much, though, Judge Gilday. He said, he said, you know, you didn't have to do it under the rules, but wouldn't it have been, I guess he used some phrase like common courtesy to inform them that you were going to file this? I think he did mention that it felt premeditated when they were scheduled to appear on the TV already. Well, what if you had a client who said, I said, oh, I'm really going to get some bad ink. I'm going to cancel this thing and claim I'm sick. What would you say to him? Joe Roach. In this circumstance, I'm not sure that this was the better play. It feels a little bit like if. Proctor had been deposed today, none of this becomes as big of a story as it became. So I think that probably my advice would have been, why don't we just sit for this and get through it? You know, and if we have to file a motion to quash this or some sort of protective order in the midst of a deposition, if they start going off script and asking you about text messages and this complaint, then perhaps we can stop it midstream. I think that the way they did handle it made it into a bit of a media circus for the whole weekend. Yeah. When I heard that Damon Selix and say this to me on Friday, I knew, wow, I got to tweet this out immediately. This is a good story. We're talking to Joe Roach. He's the lawyer from Eden Rafferty. Where can people reach you, Joe, if they need your services? Oh, anybody can call me at the office. It's 508-795-1-601. And what's your email address? My email is the letter J. Roach. It's R-O-C-H-E at Edenraffordy.com. Yeah. And have you ever had any clients just totally lose it when they had to go for a deposition? You know, I haven't, but that's not to say it doesn't happen. I mean, in what I do primarily, you know, how I am dealing with, you know, jilted ex-spouses or boyfriends or, you know, alleged boyfriends or girlfriends. And, you know, there are certainly times where people would prefer not to be deposed about their private business. Right. But.

At the end of the day, my advice for all of those people is, well, listen, we're going to sit there and we're going to answer these questions and we're going to get through this thing because the longer we put it off, the worst it becomes. Every day that goes by is an opportunity to learn something new, Howie. Yeah. Do you think that after, you know, you read the text that we're in the complaint, do you think that all of these cases that he's been involved in are going to be reviewed? I mean, I would think so, wouldn't you? I've certainly, I know for a fact, I mean, I'm sure you do too, that I've heard that there are a number of defense lawyers who are absolutely moving to open these things back up because of what they've seen in those text messages. And I think, you know, they're going to, I think the Commonwealth will probably try to hold that back as long as they can. But some of those text messages are very damaging. I think some of these defense lawyers who are. Very, very good lawyers are going to have a field day with some of these things. Yeah. I mean, as bad as the racist, misogynist stuff is, planting evidence. I mean, that... Planting evidence are very problematic. That, I mean, you can plant evidence on anybody, you know, whatever color, race creed, sexual preference, you know? I mean, every, every case he's ever been involved in now comes into question, doesn't it? I mean, I think some of those text messages that I read would certainly call into question every single person he's ever pulled over and whether or not those are legitimate stops because I think he says some things in those text messages that would call that into question. Yeah. And he also, he likes to, he sees good-looking women and he runs their records. People get, in some state, people get, cops get fired for doing that kind of thing, you know? Yeah. I mean, that... If anybody's listening to this, like, don't put things in text. It's just not that hard. Just don't do it. These should not be text messages that are being sent out by anyone, let alone a police officer in the midst of investigation. Right, it, regret it, right? Isn't that what they say? That's it. That's it. Say things in person. Just don't put it in writing. Say it, forget it. That's the thing. That's exactly correct. Yeah. So you recommend, if someone gets a subpoena to get deposed, they should do it as soon as possible because it's just going to get worse as time drags on. Is that your legal advice? Yeah, listen, once you do the deposition and you close the deposition, then it's over, right? Yeah. The longer you hold out, the more information becomes available, the worse it's going to get. And the more they're thinking, he must have something to hide if he wants to postpone this. So they're going to look harder for more damaging information. Joe Roach, give us your number one more time and where people can reach you. Joe Roach is a great lawyer. He's handled tons of divorces, especially, but all kinds of cases. Joe, what's your phone number? Absolutely. Our phone number at Eden Raffordy is 508-795-1601. And your email address? My email is J. Roach, R-O-C-H-E-A-R-C-H-E at Edenrafferty.com. Okay. The hearing will soon be getting underway, and again, I'm going to go on the line and say he's going to be allowed to take a few days, if not weeks off. Does that what your prediction as well, Joe? Yeah, I think he's going to get a few mental health days, but I do think he will be asked to submit to the deposition. It just won't be today or tomorrow.

All right. Are civil depositions sealed? When do they become public? That's one final question. You know what? I can't give you the answer. I would only be guessing at that one, Howie. But when this one becomes available, I think it'll be very popular to some people. Sometimes I've gotten civil depositions and I've had to make inquiries as to whether it's public record or not. And so it seems like it's kind of a murky area. I think it is a little of a black area. I mean, I know the Alex Jay Jones depositions were made public because I remember seeing those. But yeah, I would, if no one's ever interested in the depositions that I take, I've got to be honest with you. Who picks the kids up from school and when? It's not something that the public has a lot of interest in. All right, Joe Roach. Thanks for being with us for Meaden Rafferty. His number is 508-795, 1601. I'm Howie Carr. Watch the show live. Soundwave. Dispatch Rumble. At rumble.com slash the Howie Car Show. Bumble Activate. Howie Car is back.

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Let's hear it for Judge Gilday. Oh, that's great news. I'm sure they brought it. Here's a document from his doctor. It's been, he's been getting treatment for a long time. That's the sound of ink dry, trying to blow the ink dry off the, yeah, yeah. That's good. That's good. So now, now, Judge, please unseal the documents that they turned over to you. 844-500, 4242. See if we can get Damon on to talk about this, though. See if you can get him on. Anyway, so this is, so I mentioned that. You know, there are all kinds of these stories that they screwed up. And you think about, you think you remember one. But, you know, most of the others have just gone by you've forgotten about. So there's a guy named Jonathan Leif wrote, wrote something for the free bacon. And apparently he was brought in as a. as a collaborator on a piece of documentary theater. The project was inspired by the true story of Stephen Donziger and his legal fight with the oil giant Chevron. This is from the free bacon. Seven years earlier, Scott Pelley had presented a lotatory profile of Donziger on 60 Minutes. And Pelley's accountant, Donziger was a brave and capable attorney who had exposed Chevron for the horrible damage it had done to the virgin tropical forest of Ecuador and the indigenous people living there. Donzinger won an $18 billion judgment. But it turned out that Donziger had been engaged in blackmail, pandering, fraud, conspiracy, and bribery. Moreover, it was shown that Chevron had reached prior agreements with the Ecuadorian government, which absolved it of any responsibility for a future cleanup from the oil spills that were the subject of Donziger's litigation. In fact, the real story was that Chevron had tried to prevent the Ecuadorians from building a pipeline that caused most of the damages to their forests, and the government had then robbed the company of most of its investment in the country. In short, everything about Donziger's story is told by 60 Minutes was false. The faceless corporation had tried to behave honorably and been abused. Donzinger, so lauded by Scott Pelly, was a crook, a liar, and a fraud. Pelley's reporting was botched for reasons that went beyond his obvious gullibility. Anyone, of course, could be fooled by a skillful con man, but Pelley took things to a new level of deception. In order to make Chevron look bad, again, this is a column in the free beacon by Jonathan Lee. Pelly's 60 Minutes crew showed only the scarred oil pits that Chevron had no control over and not the ones it did.

I'm getting PTSD from all my, from my few appearances on 60 minutes. The latter were sites it had worked diligently to repair. Donziger's deceptions were all eventually proven in federal court. For this reason, a federal judge arranged for his disbarman and Donzinger, this is again, the guy that Scott Pelly claimed was a great hero. Donziger spent almost three years under house arrest. in jail or in federal prison. Among the charges he was found guilty of were racketeering. Racketeering. Now ask yourself this. If you had presented a broadcast lauding Bernie Madoff as a skilled and reputable hedge fund manager or Ted Bundy as a commendable young pre-law student, wouldn't you want to make some admission of error? Isn't that what a serious journalist does? Well, it's not what Pelley did. 60 Minutes still has its 2009 Donziger profile up on CBS Newses and CBS TV's YouTube channels with no updates or corrections. It has published no updates about his disbarment and criminal convictions. And then this guy, Jonathan Leif, says, Pelly is a classic talking head. Someone who started in television and his whole career has been forged within it. This is the world that the movie Broadcast News depicts. Someone handsome and deep voice appears on camera. Others do most of the writing and all of the writing and research. Interestingly, the producer of that 2009 Chevron piece, Dragan Mihalovich, was among the top 60 Minutes producers fired late last month by CBS News Management in Raging Pelly.

In Britain, news anchors have traditionally been called news readers. That's because this is what they are. Their job is to make sure that their hair is quaffed when they read from the teleprompter. Pelly was a male bimbo, a hymbo. Over the years, he has made many absurd and bombastic statements. For example, in 2006, he presented a completely uncritical two-part report on climate change. When critics asked him why he didn't speak to anyone who questioned the preposterous assertions of those who said climate change was an existential threat to humanity, he responded by saying that this idea was akin to Holocaust denial. And his final line of his story, and it's great. Jonathan Leif. Who's to say, talking about who's more qualified, less qualified? What can be stated is a provable fact. The main reason 60 Minutes continues to be America's most watch news program is its lead in, NFL football. And you know, later in the year, they have golf tournaments. And I think they also have March Madness, too, don't they? I mean, without mostly NFL football, but also, you know, March Madness and the Masters, certainly. The Masters is a huge ratings hit. Without those boosts, there would be no 60 minutes. 844-542, 42, all the more reason for the NFL to go to streaming. That would be great. If it kills 60 minutes, it would be worth having to pay $100 a year or whatever to get streaming, to get the games. I'd be glad to pay $100 a year to destroy 60 minutes. Paul, you're next with Howie Car. Go ahead, Paul. Yes, I have a great slogan for Mr. Graham Platner. I think he's had PTSD since he was born. And what I'd like to say is Pete Graham Platner. is a trustworthy sexual Ellen DeGenerate. Deviant. How about deviant, Paul? That saves you a few syllables. But I like to go back in time with Ellen DeGeneres. Oh, yeah. You're giving me PTSD just thinking about Ellen DeGeneres. She was another great boss, like Scott Pelly. Thanks for the call. For Limerick guys. Yeah, they served together, right? Did they? They, yeah. Scott, they're in the same combat unit. Were they in Omaha Beach or Utah Beach on D-Day? I was in combat. Limerick guy says, I love it that Proctor took a gamble and lost. Get it, Proctor and Gamble? Ha, ha, ha, ha. 911. That's how they all got ahead, fake reporting. Remember Dateline and it's fake gas tank explosion on the pickup truck? Yes, I do remember that now that you mention it. You know, not everybody who comes out just out of TV news is, you know, is totally corrupt and incompetent. But there's a high percentage. There's a high percentage of Scott Pelley. Some get as far as Scott Pelley and some of them just.

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We can make this a Sunday feature in The Herald, actually. You know? Meet the residents. Just a couple, three pictures every weekend. All right. So update from Christina Rex. Lawyers agree on June 25th and July 14th. June 25th? Yeah. She says Reed's team wants it happening. Today court arguments ensue to make it happen. Judge rules it has to happen. Tomorrow reads lawyers say they have a scheduling conflict tomorrow. So now it is 6.25. Boy. Well, this is what they wanted. You know, they just, you know, it was a Hail Mary past, but they wanted to stop it for a while. You know, Proctor's hoping maybe the, maybe a comet hits the earth and, you know, he doesn't have to, to give the deposition. It's too bad. So June 25th and July 14th, because I think one of them, I don't know if was Alan Jackson or Damon, said it starts on Monday, meaning it's probably going to go more than one day, and it obviously is. 844-542. 42. 508, where are all these unknown local news personalities going? The market must suck the same throughout the rest of the country. It does. I would assume they're all done, you know? That's the way it is. Uh, 508, Mr. Irrelevant was long known as the last player selected in the NFL draft. It can now be used to name every local and almost all national news anchors. Yeah, nobody knows any of these people anymore. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, people like Scott Pelley, he should have just been happy to cash the check for a couple of more years before 60 minutes goes the way of the CBS radio news network, which went out of business about two or three weeks ago. I'm Howie Carr.