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trying to get sneaky and take this seat away from the Republican, Mr. Van Epps. And I think that we need to make sure that doesn't happen, my friends. You need to get out and vote. Today is Election Day. It is happening. Special election. Special election, do not be caught napping on this one. This is important because if nothing else, they will make fun of and antagonize our good friend Clay. Every day, if he has basically the most left-wing member of Congress in the United States Congress as his home Congress. It's not just Clay. Basically, the whole Daily Wire, Josh Shapiro doesn't live there, but the rest of the daily wire is there. Matt Walsh, I think, is in the area. Right? Isn't Matt Walsh live roughly in your area? Matt Walsh is there, Michael Knowles, our friend Riley Gaines, Tommy Laren, Candace Owens. So it's a lot. It's a lot. This is a hometown fight here for the seventh congressional. And all of you who are listening need to get out and need to vote. Let's not give the Democrats something early to celebrate going into this midterm election cycle. So I'm telling you to do exactly what I did. I dropped my son off at school. And then I walked right into the precinct there. And I voted. So I'm asking everybody in from. the border of Kentucky to the border of Alabama, the seventh congressional district. I even had a friend text me and say, hey, I thought that that was my district. I tried to go to my polling place. There was no race. There was no election. Okay. You did your part because this is a new district in many ways. And a lot of people are not aware of this race going on. So I went on with Sean Hannity last night. We've been talking about it like crazy on this program. I feel like I have done everything I can to help make people aware this race is happening. And today is the last day to go vote. So you've got to get out there and vote. We've talked about the race. You've heard it. You know what's going on. You know the issues here. I'm just going to be giving you reminders today during the show because, of course, we are live here for three hours with you. It's a great time to be listening to Clay and Buck on your way to go vote in that district. So get out there and get it done. All right. Other things. The drug boat controversy and Venezuela, the Caribbean, unusual for it to be quite the scene of action that it is now. But the Caribbean and Venezuela and the drug trade are all very much in the headlines. Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War, getting a lot of heat, a lot of criticism, no surprise, for these strikes. And there's been some reporting that has now contested about a double tap, if you will, on one of these boats. I think it was the first boat strike, actually. We're going to discuss some of that and also the implications for Venezuela. where it is now being said the president has given Maduro. Was it to Friday? It's already Tuesday. Friday deadline. Trump went on a truth posting bonanza last night, posting truths to truth social.

We will get into some of those. The cabinet is meeting currently. We'll bring you the highlights of that, the Trump cabinet. Karoline Leavitt also had a fiery press conference yesterday. We'll bring you some of the best moments from that. Zohran Mamdani is being a crazy kami. Tom Homan is saying the Biden administration, it wasn't bad enough for them to let 10 million illegals flood the country, Clay. They also said, you know what, let's just take in all these Afghans and not vet them at all. Basically, you raise your hand and say, hey, I did great things for America. You owe me. Okay, we'll take you. Not a good idea. Not a good idea. But let's talk first about the drug boat situation here, Clay. Now they're making a thing of this. And we've discussed this. They really have wanted to take Secretary Pete Hegseth off of the chessboard from the very beginning. I think the media has gone. After Trump, would you co-sign this one? In term two, Pete has been target number two after Trump. Trump's always target number one. I think that's accurate. I think Kash Patel has moved into the number three spot on the attack list. And I think we've kind of stayed in that range. I think there would be probably a big drop off. I mean, Ewan obviously was not in the cabinet, but he was probably the most attacked in the first six months or so of Trump. But in the cabinet, I think Pete Hegseth's won. I think that then Kash Patel is two. And would you agree with me? There's a huge drop off after those two. I don't even know who the third biggest target would be. It's been like just kind of alternating between Pete Hegseth and with Cash. They have been trying to go after David Sacks as well lately. The crypto and AIsar, who we would like to get on this program soon to talk about what he's doing. But he's a very savvy cat. and has been not only able to defend himself very effectively without having to do very much because a lot of the stuff that they're saying is just not true. Other people have been coming to his defense as well, saying he's in this position of he has so much money, money has very little meeting for him. He actually thinks that he's helping the country, and that's why he's in this special advisory role, special employee to the administration. But we can get more into that too. But they want Pete Hegseth. out they want to be able to show the democrat base hey we can still call the shots in the media we can still get a scalp so to speak and so this is where we're talking about not just the boat strikes which i'm going to tell you right now clay they're going to impeach trump over this if they win the house I, right? Do you have any doubt whatsoever about this? I don't know that it will be over this specifically. They're going to impeach him probably over whatever. I mean, they're going to find something to impeach him over. We agree 100% that they will impeach him for a third time for something if they win the house. I think this is, I think this is top of the list, and that's why they're so dug in on this.

I believe that they're going to try to make the case that these are war crimes. That's exact. And they're already saying it. So that's not a stretch at all. But they also want to use it to have it as a cudgel to force Secretary of War Pete Hegseth out of office. Here is, I mean, for example, for example. um here is former deputy assistant ag this is cut eight john wait before we play the cut so the claim clay so we're clear on this is that pete we'll just call him pete sometimes we know uh oversaw and was watching in real time a strike on the first of these boats and that they hit the boat you know j sock blew this boat up, and then there was wreckage, there was, you know, pieces of it, and there were a couple of guys who were clinging to the wreckage, and then the order that the affirmative order was given to send a second missile strike to kill the guys who were clinging to the wreckage. That's the claim. This is disputed. Here is, though, what's being said by people in the media now about this play eight. If you look at the U.S. Law of War Manual, which is the definitive interpretation of the way we fight, the laws of armed conflict for the United States, it says clearly that you are not allowed to give orders that say no survivors. Commanders are not allowed to give orders, say no quarter. And so Haguez-Sef can't give that command legally. Also, again, there are gray areas, but one area that's not gray that's clear is you can't fire on the wounded. You can't kill survivors. who can no longer fight. So the admiral should not have obeyed the order that Secretary Hagsuff gave, and even the soldiers who carried out the admiral's orders should not have obeyed. Clay? Lawyer Clay. Work us through this a bit. Okay, so lawyer clay, let me first say I obviously don't have firsthand knowledge, but if I were making a case here, there are several angles that I think would be in play. Let me start with defending the decision if this were what happened from them. I think they can say this wasn't a second strike to kill survivors. The boat was still operable and we were concerned that we hadn't fulfilled the original mission, right? You can hit. a boat or a vehicle multiple times if you do not believe you have actually rendered it to be inoperable uh in other words i think there's probably a defense that hey the first strike did not do the complete damage that was necessary we did a second strike on top of it um i also think that there is potentially an issue here where if there are prisoners taken then there is going to be a legal challenge to whether the president has the authority to undertake these actions.

And do we then have an obligation to go rescue the survivors, all these other different things? I think that could be in play. But again, what are the facts? What were the exact orders? What was the intent of the order? Remember, there are all sorts of issues out there where we have an attack that is ordered and it's the wrong attack, right? We talked about this on the program before in Afghanistan. We killed an innocent family. We thought the guy was a terrorist. That obviously got a decent amount of attention. So there are errors of interpretation that occur on these strikes, too. I think it's very hard to know direct intent. Right. Well, we have to know the facts here. The facts are not agreed upon. And I would say one thing that has been established for a long time by the Obama administration, among others, but the Obama administration really accelerated it was the signature drone strikes where they would hit a target based upon a series of factors that were not 100% and clearly not because they did blow up women and children sometimes. And this was going on in Pakistan, a country with which we were not actually at war. and a country that we were pretending publicly at least for a long time in the Obama years. Oh, no, we're not doing drone strikes there. That's classified. The New York Times was writing front page stories about it, but the Obama administration, Clay, to avoid dealing with it in public would just say that it's classified. We're not talking about that. That was accepted by all of the people who currently are sitting around angry at the Trump administration or supposedly angered the Trump administration for what's going on here. So we do know that there are civilian casualties from strikes that are based on presidential authority. That does happen. But as you pointed out, it is accidental. Here, it would be to the point made by John U. Now, John U. Why do they have John U making the rounds, everybody? A little bit of history, if we all recall, 20 years back or so. He was the so-called torture memo guy under the Bush administration. So he was tied to enhanced interrogation techniques. So what you have now is the media having former deputy attorney general John U under Bush, a Republican, saying if you give an order for no survivors, that's a war crime. And this is from the guy who was like, we got to waterboard people sometimes. You got to do what you got to do. And again, all of this comes in rising tension with Venezuela. Again, we should mention also there's a cabinet meeting going on right now. Trump is taking questions. We're monitoring it in real time. As you said off the top, the biggest part of this story is there is a report that Trump has given Maduro and his family until Friday to vacate the country or potentially we are going to take him out and install a more democratic government in Venezuela, which tons of people have a lot of opinions on. I said yesterday on the program, I stand by it. I think that this can be akin.

to the strikes that happened in Iran in that they are very strategic and ultimately beneficial for the overall country. And we have tons of you out there that are Venezuelan. I mean, Buck lives in Miami, which is filled with tons of Venezuelan refugees. As we said yesterday on the program, Venezuela has the largest deposit of oil, certainly in the Western Hemisphere, and used to be a thriving country. that was very, very successful before the Maduro and that regime came into power. Third richest country in the world after the United States and Canada per capita at one point in recent member. So, yeah, Venezuela should be doing great. It's not. Turns out that communism ruins everything, guys. Who could have known? Well, anybody who pays attention to history? We'll talk more about this, though, because... I know on the one hand, we hate commies. On the other hand, we also hate regime change and rebuilding operations for other countries. And there are people that are concerned that that may be something that we face here sooner than later when it comes to Venezuela. We'll discuss. I want to hear from you as well. Also, if we have any Venezuelan refugees or Venezuelan Americans, Clay, listening right now, if you want to weigh in on this one. I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts on, should we topple Maduro? Should we just keep the pressure on? How involved should we be? What do you think is going to happen here? No doubt. Okay. Yes. No doubt indeed. If you believe in the life of a child, rather if you believe the life of an unborn child is precious, and all of you in the pro-life community certainly do. You know that we have to do everything we can to save the lives of tiny babies in the womb. Right now, one and four pregnancies ends in abortion. That's just a horrific fact, but it's true. Thousands of lives lost every single day. We can change hearts and minds. We can change laws. That takes time. In the meantime, lives are being lost. How do we save lives right now? This Christmas season, how do you go to bed at night knowing that you've helped to save the life of a tiny baby and changed the mother-to-bees life with it as well? Preborn. Preborn clinics have saved over 350,000 babies with their life giving work. What they do is they welcome in mothers to their clinics. They give them a free ultrasound because when mom meets that baby, the moment of mom and child meeting via ultrasound, the heart beating, that changes everything. That ultrasound costs just $28 and that's where you come in. So as the year comes to a close, please consider a holiday season tax deductible donation. which could save the life of a tiny baby. That donation could be the difference between life and death for a baby this week, next week, who knows? It can make the difference. To donate, dial pound 250, say the keyword baby, that's pound 250, say baby, or donate securely at preborn.com slash buck, preborn.com slash B-U-C-K, sponsored by Preborn. Saving America, one thought at a time. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton. Find them on the free I-Hard Radio app or wherever you get your podcast. If you're trying to grow spiritually while juggling a busy life, Intouch.org is a really helpful place to pause and catch your breath. Sometimes you just need a moment to refocus, and that's exactly what you'll find there. You can dive into practical, down-to-earth teaching from Dr. Charles Stanley.

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As we finished off the last hour, we were talking about the boat strikes off Venezuela. A bunch of you want to weigh in on those. And I was saying, again, this is me behaving as a lawyer. Finish them off can mean multiple things. It can mean, to me, finishing off the boat so that it's no longer able to do what it was intended to do so that the drugs are not there still floating that could be picked up by another boat. And so what is and is not intended by the orders is likely to be an issue. Right now, I don't think the communication has been clear, Buck, as to exactly what the story is, just that the White House has said, hey, we support the admiral here, the president supports the admiral, the Secretary of War supports the admiral, and his ability to make decisions on the ground there. We had a call. from a individual who was still with us. And that is, I want to make sure that I get his name right. I got so many different text messages in here. That is, let's see, Bobby Charles from Maine. He's running for governor, by the way. The primaries in June. Not a bad way to get people to know about the primary here, Bobby. You've got a pretty big radio show. So you're a smooth operator. We like it. I feel like you guys invited this one, so I'm just going to pick it up. Oh, we did. We did for sure. So Bobby, when I say what finish them off means, this is me being a lawyer. Finish them off can mean a lot of different things. It can mean finish the boat off. It can mean finish the survivors off. That seems like a pretty clear defense. If I were advising Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, if I were advising President Trump, if I were advising the Admiral in this case as an attorney representing them. I would say go ahead and get your story out there. What does finish them off mean? We wanted to end the threat that this boat brought to bear. We had not done that yet. It was still floating out there. There was the possibility the drugs could be picked up. And so we ordered a second strike to take out that boat. Is that a valid argument from your perspective based on your knowledge of the rules of engagement? Yes. So let me give you my perspective. I was a U.S. Court of Appeals Clerk after Columbia Law School long before being Assistant Secretary, managing counter-narcotics programs around the world, among which were shoot-down programs in Peru and Colombia, in which we gave orders. We didn't give them. I worked with the heads of Southcom who gave them, but those field commanders gave orders to finish off planes that were in the sky carrying drugs. We had acute intelligence. They refused to comply. They continued moving forward. The same way if you were in World War II on a battlefield and a tank is coming at you and you've disabled the gun, but the tank keeps rolling, you have every right to stop it. So I am believing, and I think they should ask for this and I think everything else is a false bogey. There is a legal opinion, I guarantee you, as a former Navy intelligence guy for 10 years and an assistant secretary doing counter-narcotics, there is a legal opinion in the file that says something like this.

That organization is identified as an FTO. It is a foreign terrorist organization trafficking drugs. Because it is an FTO, it is, by definition, engaging in premeditated, politically motivated acts of violence against non-combatant targets. Because it is doing that, you have every right to hit and destroy the drugs and to hit and destroy the boat. And there is no, under the rules of law in the UCMJ, there is no requirement that you warn the combatant that you're going to do that. If you hit half the boat, and we currently have policies that the U.S. Coast Guard uses in our littoral waters with snipers, they don't call them snipers, but they're snipers. They have big firearms in a sling dedicated to taking out the engines of a boat, of a go-fast drug boat. They've been there for 25 years. If we feel that we have not hit and disabled and finished the task of a combatant coming at us, we have every right to do that. You do not have a right. to then shoot folks in the water. But I will guarantee you that there is no legal opinion in the file in the defense department if they subpoena it. And I did oversight for five years with Gingrich. There is not going to be a legal opinion. It says you can finish out people in the water. It will say just what I said here. And that is what they're doing. And so it is completely lawful. And it's protecting the national security of the United States and every single American, including in states like Maine where we had 10,000 overdoses last year. Okay. That's a perfect argument. Why isn't the Trump administration making that argument right now? I'm guessing that as much as I'm a lawyer, I hate lawyers. You know, if you're Irish, you get to say words about the Irish, and I am that too. If you're a lawyer, you get to hate lawyers. There's lawyers in the Pentagon going... Hey, we can't release that. That's a legal document. Hey, we've got to back off. We can't, we can't get the legal argument involved in politics. Yeah, what I think Pete Hegseth says should do is just say, look, I have every legal right to be doing what I'm doing. That's what I'm saying. Pete Hegseth is not, we know him. He's not an attorney. But what I'm saying is I would, if I were Secretary of War Pete Hegseth or I was advising him, I would be telling him to say exactly what you just told us right now. at the press conference because i think it would end this story instantaneously also it's unfortunately that hasn't happened clay and so now they have the back and forth of different versions of what happened and what was this and what was that why that's my question we're all why wouldn't he make that case well because they screwed up because they've screwed up the comms just like they screwed up i mean i'm going to jump in and just say because they messed up because this is where we are right now just like they did You know, the truth is, your point is well taken. You take the world as it is. What has transpired up to this moment in time has. The future is for us to define. They should do the press conference, take it verbatim what I said. That's the truth. I don't know the exact wording of the legal memo, but I guarantee before they took one shot, there is a legal memo there. They should release it. They should say we have every right to have done what we did. Let's clarify the record. The facts are the facts, you know. Yeah, look, I think we're all aligned on this. I just want to be clear, Bobby, because there are people out there who are saying, oh, no, when I say people, I mean online, you'll see people who don't know anything who are saying the clinging to the wreckage. We could mow them down too. No, that's not true. But what you've laid out is the legal justification for what we believe happened here, which we're all aligned with. But I just want to be very clear because I have seen the argument made by people with followings and by people who are part of this conversation.

If we have to finish off people in the water, so be it, no, that's actually not how this goes, and that's not what was going on here. You're absolutely right. And in World War II, there were bad mistakes made on both sides. This is one where we don't have to make a mistake. That would be a mistake. We're not going to do it. I'm going to tell you, though, as a guy running for governor in Maine. And I'm up by double digits on everybody. But the reality is right now, people throw crap at you that is untrue every day. And you just have to keep responding. And that's what Pete Hegseth, I suspect, we'll do. And that's what Trump does every day. And that's what you've got to do. You beat, you know, it's like the old Supreme Court case said, right? You beat bad speech with good speech. You just keep going on. Bobby, we're leveraging your expertise here a lot. But I actually want to transition you because you said you transitioned the topic. I should. I'm going to transition the topic. Two, you got to be clear these days. You said you oversaw or involved in overseeing narco programs in the Caribbean. One, how effective you think taking out these boats is actually, and two, talk to us about Venezuela. You would have a very important perspective on what's going on there with Maduro, the narco trafficking, the possibility of the overthrow. Talk us through some of that. Yeah, so I have had multiple hats in life blessed a thousand ways from Sunday, but the reality is, yes, I did oversight for five years for Gingrich. I was his top oversight investigator looking at counter-narcotics, but also the Pentagon Justice I did to Waco hearings, all that. So at the end of the day, our counter-narcotics policy in the Caribbean was effective when we could create 25% deterrence. So when we could cover 25% of the Caribbean at a time, incidentally, when there was no land bridge, as in there was no coming up through the Mexico Pan American Highway, what we did is we shut down the Caribbean. By shutting down 25%, creating enough uncertainty that the traffickers thought they would get more losses than it was worth, they shifted to the land bridge. What they will do right now, it is relatively effective because it's creating that one thing. We know, again, let's go back to World War II. Everything is about deterrence versus appeasement. You do nothing, you appease it. Same thing with people coming into this country. You do nothing. You appease the behavior, appease bad behavior. You deter it. All of a sudden, they're going to stop coming. All of a sudden, they're going to stop shipping drugs through the E-PAC, Eastern Pacific, which is where some of this is happening, or through the Caribbean. And so deterrence works. It absolutely works. But you always have to remember, it's like trying to block water that is being pulled by gravity down. It's going to look for another way around. The bad guys always look for another way around. So you've got to constantly be one step ahead. You know, we don't ever win anything finally and decisively. You know, what you do is you manage the process so that you're always one step ahead. That's why we've not had another 9-11. We've always stayed one step ahead. Same thing is true with the drug traffickers. What I love that he's doing, what Trump is doing is he's calling a spade a spade. He's saying we lose more people every year. to this foreign drug infusion, this chemical weapon brought into this country, then we lost in all of Vietnam. We lose 100,000 more or less every year to this. They are a threat to the United States. We are going to treat them as FTOs. We are going to combat them. And so ultimately what you do is you start to destroy the industrial strength of the cartel. There are Colombian cartels. There are Mexican cartels.

and you want you're never going to get rid of all crime but what you want to do is drive it down to a level that's so low that most people don't have to engage it and here in the state of Maine i will tell you i am going to thoroughly support law enforcement i am going to thoroughly stop these foreign drug traffickers from getting in here and then having created deterrence I'm going to do put the rest of the population that's addicted on a get-well, stay-well plan, get real treatment programs in here and solve it. That is what Trump is doing in all the places that he's been allowed to do it. And by the way, I will mobilize the National Guard, too, if needed to support law enforcement. Bobby, thanks for all of this. I mean, this is well said. You got my vote. You've got to be the next governor or main, buddy. So you've got to come back and talk to us more about this. We're very impressed here. Thank you, guys. Call me anytime, and I love talking to Greg, so we're good to go. All right. Producer Greg is the man, so you have good taste in radio and radio producers. Well done, sir, and we'll talk to you again soon. But, Clay, I just want to say, our legal analysis was all spot on. So there's that, you know, before. And also, again, I think we hit on this correctly. It's a communication issue. And I just, I understand, and he pointed out, lawyers can sometimes say, well, we can't talk about this publicly yet, sir. I would talk about it publicly if I repeat, Pete Hegseth. I would put this story to bed. I would say that this was the goal. We had the authority to do it and it vanishes if you tell the story the way that he just did. It's a version of it's not the crime. It's the cover up. There was no crime here. They are acting in the lawful authority. But if you have differing narratives about what happened, even if it's in good faith, but there's daylight between what the, you know, Trump White House says and what Secretary Pete Hegseth says or whatever, then that becomes the story. And they just say, see, they're hiding, they're changing. So you just, it's a comms issue to be very clear on this so that everybody understands. Because what the Democrats, their biggest story this week is the, you know, the war crimes thing. What they don't want to be talking about. is the Biden-Afghan withdrawal slash importing people with no vetting whatsoever, including the terrorists who just killed two national, killed one and grievously wounded another National Guard member. That's what they don't want to be talking about this week. Correct. And you can limit their ability to drive the narrative by telling your story in the best, most effective way possible. And I don't think that has occurred yet. But I think if they said what Bobby said, what I said, what you have said, I think it would go a long way towards putting this story to rest. I want to tell you, fighting in Ukraine. We'll talk about this a little bit. There right now are meetings going on in Russia. to try to end the war in Ukraine. Both sides, Russia and Ukraine are acknowledging loss of lives more than a thousand soldiers each day. Far from the front lines, life can feel very difficult, different sort of way. For people like Maria, 85-year-old woman of Jewish faith living in Ukraine, her needs are severe. She's one of the many Ukrainian citizens in need of food, medicine.

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You know Laura quite well. She was really fired up at the overall. security issues associated with elections. And so she said, well, heck, I want to see this for myself. So she decided that she would volunteer and watch as the election is taking place here locally. By the way, President Trump standing up right now, we are no longer competing with the Trump show. He has just walked out after a marathon two plus hour session with his cabinet. And it is just now breaking up. uh in real time all right this is funny Marco Rubio uh secretary of state buck there are many different super serious stories that are going on but you know i trust college football fans implicitly in addition to everything else that was discussed Marco Rubio came out and said if the miami hurricanes your new hometown team buck if they're not in the playoff He's furious and he's going to put President Trump in charge of next year's playoff. This is funny. This did just happen among many other things in the cabinet meeting. Listen to this. And I know I'm last, so I wanted to be fast, but there was a lot to cover. I do want to say this is the most wonderful, magical time of the year. By that, of course, I'm referring to the college football playoffs. I just want to say this as a point of personal privilege, and I'm a Florida Gator, but at the University of Miami gets screwed out of the college football playoffs. After 10 and 2 and beating Notre Dame, the whole thing should be scrapped, and you're going to have to take over next year. Marco better watch out. He could get another job. Maybe he becomes like SEC commissioner or something in addition to, I think he's Secretary of State, National Security Advisor, USAID director. The Marco portfolio is a remarkable thing to behold. Your wife is a Florida Gator grad. Marco Rubio's son is a football player for the Florida Gators. So I was actually texting with him over the weekend. Nothing at all to do with serious things just about the college football coaching searches going on. Marco Rubio is doing a fantastic job. But so many different... topics. I did think it was funny that he decided that he wanted to weigh in on that because Marco Rubio is a Miami guy, big college football fan, which is one reason we get along so well. Do we have from producer Greg yet the clip that I sent in of Pete Hegseth giving more details? It's not in yet, Buck. Okay, we will have it shortly. This is the lead story now for people out there who are saying, what are you doing here? Why are you talking about? It's the lead story everywhere. We want to make sure that we're addressing it.

Well, CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News, basically all covering this as the top news story of the day. Yeah. Well, because the implications of this, first of all, aren't just about the attempts to undermine an attack, Pete Hegseth and with him this administration. There's also this issue of... what this does to Venezuela. And increasingly, we have what seems to be a de facto regime change policy in place. Now, regime change in nation building are not necessarily things that go hand in hand, but they often do. And so this is going to start to bring up some very... important and difficult conversations, I think, if Maduro goes. But here we have Secretary Pete Hegseth just moments ago getting into the details of this strike that has been widely reported on. Let's listen to the Secretary of War. I didn't stick around for the hour and two hours, whatever, where all the sensitive site exploitation digitally occurs. So I moved on to my next meeting. A couple of hours later, I learned that that commander had made the, which he had the complete authority to do. And by the way, Admiral Bradley made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat. He sunk the boat. sunk the boat and eliminated the threat. And it was the right call. We have his back. And the American people are safer because narco-terrorists know you can't bring drugs through the water and eventually on land if necessary to the American people. We will eliminate that threat and we're proud to do it. So you didn't see any survivors to be clear after that first strike? I did not personally see survivors, but I stand because the thing was on fire. It was exploded and fire or smoke. You can't see anything. You got digital. This is called the fog of war. This is what you and the press don't understand. You sit in your air-conditioned offices or up on Capitol Hill and you nitpick and you plant fake stories in the Washington Post about kill everybody phrases on anonymous sources, not based in anything, not based in any truth at all. And then you want to throw up really irresponsible terms. terms about American heroes, about the judgment that they made. I wrote a whole book on this topic because of what politicians and the press does to war fighters. President Trump has empowered commanders, commanders to do what is necessary, which is dark and difficult things in the dead of night on behalf of the American people. We support them and we will stop the poisoning of the American people. Okay, that's a better answer. I still think, and this is the lawyer and me, Buck, I want a clear, concise, direct description of what the Admiral did. And it may be the case that they haven't talked in detail about this decision, but that would help to end this story, I believe, once and for all. It's hard to sound objective talking about Pete because you and I both know Pete and we're...

personally friends with Pete. I've known Pete now for almost 15 years. So I just, I say that because I think we need to be honest about where we come from, especially talking with some of these public figures who we know on a personal level. And I know Pete loves the country. I know he loves the war fighters in the United States military, like his own family. And so I bring all of that to this discussion too. All right. That said. I think that the problem that he's running into here a little bit, Clay, is when you start to say things, again, I'm looking at this like the enemy here in the media, which he's addressing very clearly, he's saying, you guys are a bunch of jerks who don't understand anything, but when he says things like fog of war, that they're going to take that now and say, so you don't know if there were survivors or not. That's the next stage now, I think, in this process. It went from the order to kill survivors to now, you're saying fog of war. Again, I understand from the very beginnings, you know, to call in and say, what he did is totally lawful. I believe that Pete Hegseth and the J-Soc here joined Special Operations Command, I think they operated in a lawful fashion. I am just saying the way this is turning into a story is leaving. bits of daylight here with the facts as presented, the narrative as constructed from the top of the Pentagon hierarchy. And when you say things like, you know, fog of war, I get it. I know what he's saying, but they're going to say, so you don't even know if there were, you know, there was smoke. You know, there could have been survivors. You know, this is the next phase of it, I think. Totally. And this is why I say, and this is me speaking as a former criminal defense attorney, your story has to be consistent and you have to stick to it and you have to put it out there and it has to be ironclad in terms of you being able to prove what exactly it is. And... I just think the story of we had to hit the boat a second time because it had not been completely obliterated and there were still drugs there and they could have brought another boat in and gotten those drugs off and they could have still come to the United States. The purpose of the mission was to ensure that that boat is completely obliterated and there are no drugs that survived the attack. The first attack it did, we put in a second one. That's what happened. I don't know anything about the people that were on the boat. Frankly, I don't care about them because they were terrorists trying to kill people in the United States. They may have survived. They may not have. But I know that boat didn't and the drugs are gone. That's my answer. That's a pretty good one. I wish it had been given. Yeah. Stop the threat. This is a threat that's identified, a threat that we can lawfully use the United States military to address, and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth and those below him in the chain of command who are directly involved in the strike, they were operating to stop the threat against the American people. And if two missiles is what it required to stop the threat, then that is what it required. But this is why, again, you know, the specificity of, is it the same thing in a self-defense case. If somebody came at me, Clay, in my own home,

which would be a very bad idea because I do have a lot of guns here and I am pretty trained up these days. But if somebody came at me in my own home and I put one in them and then they say, well, why did you actually unload your whole magazine into this person who was coming at you? Let's say with a knife or something, I would say because in the moment that's what I believe to stop the threat against my life. That's the answer. Yes. Right. It doesn't, whether it's one bullet or ten bullets, I acted to stop the threat against me and my family. What you don't want to get into is, well, I hit him five times. But then I thought, you know what? I got to get some headshots in here to make sure he's not moving anymore. You don't want to in a self-defense situation say anything like that. This is those you, you don't have to know law of war necessarily to understand how this, when you're talking about use of force, you've got to be very specific about why you're using that force. And I've sat through the classes. I've sat through the discussion. We had this in the CIA. We had to have conversations about lethal force, right? This is, you have to understand what the framework is for using violence against another human being, always. The threat wasn't eliminated with the first strike, so we had to have a second strike to eliminate the threat. This is not very complicated, but again, when they start nitpicking at you, I appreciate the fact that Pete recognizes he's the target here. Somebody, I think this is important, leaked, probably very classified information to a large extent to the Washington Post, which may or may not be accurate. But somebody obviously has Pete as the target here. They're attempting to come after him, the admiral, and the president. I mean, their intent here matters. And so, again, I think you have to eliminate this story to the best of your ability. You know what happened over the weekend, Buck? I was watching games. My sister, my sister, Lisa, she's awesome. Set down on the couch, she was watching the games. There was a cozy earth blanket on the couch. This is 100% true. I didn't even know this. She got the cozy earth blanket, a little bit chilly in Florida. She put the blanket over her. She didn't even know that we had a code. She went, got her phone. The blanket was so comfortable. And she ordered one for my mom and for her. That's how comfortable this blanket was. It's 100% true. I said, did you use a code? She said, I didn't even know there was a code. I was going to say, I love this story, except we don't get credit for the sale of the blanket. But that's okay. We're going to sell a lot more blankets now because that's how amazing they are. I said you use the code, right? She said, I didn't know there was a code. Thanks for listening, Lisa. But that's how comfortable this blanket was. I'm not even kidding about this. She sat down on the couch, a little bit chilly. She puts the blanket over her within 20 minutes. She got on. She was like, she asked my wife, like, where is this? Cozy Earth. She got on. She bought her own.

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to bring in many of these Afghans during the Biden withdrawal. I wanted you to speak to that and give us a sense as to what do you think the Trump administration is going to be able to or should do now that there's a recognition that there was insufficient vetting for many, perhaps most of the Afghans who were brought here during the Biden withdrawal. And actually, the Inspector General's report from 2022 with the Department of Homeland Security noted there was insufficient vetting. And the response from the Biden administration was they were going to go back and do this vetting. Obviously, they did not. And now what the Trump administration is discussing doing is halting immigration while they catch. up and make certain that they have vetted all these individuals, whether they came in through the Afghan welcome program that Biden had put in place, or it is people that are in the system that illegally were in the country or people that were here legally on a visa and have overstayed their visa. You're going to see this administration and this Department of Homeland Security. the Department of State circle back and actually clean up some of these. And if someone needs to go, they will be issued an order of deportation and then deported and removed from the country. I don't think we've asked you about this, but I asked you about it in person the last time I saw you. And I want to make sure we hit it. I think it's a pretty extraordinary, unbelievable story that at least eight United States senators, including you, had your phones tapped as part of an investigation. I know that you guys are continuing to follow up on that. Can you tell our audience what happened there? why obviously it's significant and should never happen again and what is going to happen as a result where is that story for people who don't know very much about it or haven't been paying attention yes and the story is continuing to unfold as we're getting more documents and hearing more from whistleblowers and uh i think it's tomorrow we have judge bozberg who is going to come before us he is the one who issued as many as 197 subpoenas. for information on our phones. And on top of those subpoenas, he put a non-disclosure order, which meant that the wireless companies could not tell us that they had a subpoena for our phone records. Now, we were targeted from what we have learned because we're all Republicans. We all support President Trump.

And each of us had questions about the 2020 election. Now, the reason we're continuing to dig on this and to get information is because if they were going after phone records, there is no doubt. And we have reason to believe that they went after other information. Were they going after the content? of those contacts because what they did was to get every phone call I made or received and the location where I was when I made or received that call and who that call was made to or received from and it started on January 1st of 21 with me and it was a pure spying It was a pure fishing expedition. But we also want to know. Did they get the content of emails? Did they get the content of text messages? Was there any wiretapping in real time that they did? Did they surveil and investigate people that we were in contact with? What was the extent of that surveillance? Did they go after financial documents? and other information about us. So we are trying to get to the bottom of us that I think each of the eight of us want to know the extent of this. And I will tell you this, we want to know what they've done to other conservatives. They know there were 197 subpoenas issued against 430 individuals, conservatives. And it was organizations and individuals in that mix. Citizens United Turning Point USA. different organizations, what they were after. We know they got financial documents on some of those, but we want to see that. We want to make certain this never happens again. And conservatives have to be protected. And, of course, in this case, because you have some whistleblowers over at DOJ. that were aware of this they brought the information to Chuck Grassley and that is how we've been able to find out as much as we have gotten so far about what they did to conservatives in the extent of it Jack Smith who ran arctic frost needs to be held to account i think he ought to be in jail and we need to hold everyone to account i have written a letter

that calls for the Office of Professional Conduct, it's the Department of Justice, to look into his actions. He should be disbarred. We also have written a letter to the D.C. bar about his conduct and the actions that he took. And the email chain that we got last week, you know, the interesting thing is... The attorney, the counsel that was advising Jack Smith and Arctic Frost told them this is a constitutional violation and pointed out to them what we had said early on. It's a First and Fourth Amendment violation. It is a violation of the separation of powers. It's a violation of the speech and debate clause. It is a violation of due process. It is a violation of the Stored Communications Act. And to think they did this, knowing it was outside of the law, but they hate Donald Trump and people that support Donald Trump. And so they did it anyway. Amen. It's a big story. I think we're going to continue to follow it on this program. Please keep us updated on it. And thanks for taking the time. And one more time, tell everybody to go vote, Senator. You got it. Be certain that you go vote today, Tennessee 7. Matt Van Epps needs your vote. Let's send a message that the Democrats are not going to take this seat. Amen. That's Senator Marsha Blackburn, great state of Tennessee, soon to be governor. Appreciate you, Senator. You got it. Take care. All right, Buck. Your boy, Pickles. He's actually turned into one of the greatest receivers in the NFL right now. George Pickings. You saw this coming many miles away. This is not even the least. I said, always bet on pickles. And I was correct. I appreciate your mom and dad saying that they'll lie for you and claim that you were watching college football to try to keep you from having to be reprimanded by me for not spending time watching football. Here is a pick, however, that you can play. that everybody in California, Texas, Georgia, 40 states, 13 million people signed up. Pricepix.com code Clay. This pays out at 5.5x. It begins on Thursday. George Pickens, aka George Pickles, according to Buck Sexton, more than 77.5 receiving yards. Jamir Gibbs, more than 76.5 rushing yards. Josh Allen, more than 228.5 passing yards. And...

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