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of a bit of a battle and a brawl on the political right, something of a schism about what types of people should be considered part of the political mainstream or worthy of being platformed. Who do you ignore and ostracize? Who do you promote? Who do you exchange ideas with? These discussions are ongoing. In some cases, the ongoing discussions are acrimonious. I draw certain lines, certain places. And I think that there are some people open bigots who should not be welcome in the conservative movement. And the question is, all right, do you have conversations with them publicly anyway? Do you platform, quote unquote, them? Do you push back or do you try to convince some of them to maybe move in a better direction? These are, again, questions that are being litigated in a very public manner. And I think that they are important conversations because those of us who are conservatives on the right have a responsibility to decide about guardrails. What do we tolerate? What do we embrace? What do we reject as a movement? And if you let really ugly things infect the movement, I think that is ugly, it's unhealthy, it's immoral. But the question is, where do you draw the lines? Who enforces the guardrails? And there's a lot of disagreement about that. And I think I've made pretty clear where I stand on a lot of it. That being said, one of the groups... that is featured in this conversation, and I don't really want to spend a lot of time talking about them. But they are known as the Groypers. I think that's the name that they picked for themselves. And one of their leaders is this guy that Ben Shapiro was talking about, Nick Fuentes, whose name I try to avoid on this show, I think he's vile. He is proudly and openly a bigot. Like, not the fake sort of smear job that we get from the left all the time. Anyone they disagree with, anyone slightly to the right of, you know, an average progressive, they call a bigot. Not that kind. The real article, the genuine thing. Deeply, deeply, deeply awful. Racist, anti-Semitic, misogynist. I mean, all the things homophobic, which some say is ironic for various reasons, but. The isms that get tossed around, I think too much, promiscuously on the left as a means of shutting people down and silencing them, those phenomena still do exist, unfortunately, in our society. And they exist in certain people, some of whom are not even interested about pretending that they are not open bigots. So the Groypers are out there and there's a lot of people on the right saying, okay, how do we restrain their influence? Are we worried about the number of young people, especially young men on the right who at least are sympathetic or closet or not even closet fans of that movement? There was a piece about how many of them might be lurking on Capitol Hill as young staffers and aides to Republicans. And I think these are important things to address.

And I do have concerns, some serious on this subject. That being said, a buddy of mine, that's the multiple windups here, a buddy of mine sent me an opinion piece and podcast out today from the New York Times from Ezra Klein. And the subject is the gropeerification of the GOP. All right. So here's Ezra Klein, who's a lefty commentator. who has struggled with some of his lefty fan base and his bona fides recently because he's co-written a book, actually with a buddy of mine, Derek Thompson, that was very successful, very popular. Barack Obama loved it called abundance. And it really makes the argument for a pro-abundance, a pro-growth series of policies, a lot of which I would agree with, not all of it, but certainly. is seen as an affront by the left-wing, progressive socialist side of that political movement. So they have come under pretty withering, and often I find very unconvincing attack from those people. How dare you support abundance? We want socialism. They view it as a betrayal ideologically. So he's taken a lot of incoming for that. And recently he's been, I guess, trying to get back in their good graces. So he was really pushing the government shutdown. He was very angry at the Democrats for ending their government shutdown. And now he's talking about, you know, how terrible the Groypers are on the right. And in doing so, in the podcast, Ezra Klein cites positively a guy called Hasan Piker as some sort of arbiter, I guess, of whether or not the Groypers are odious. And they are morally odious. But I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in taking lectures from Ezra Klein or anyone else who is going to positively cite Hasan Piker about the growing influence of extremism in our politics because Hasan Piker, Pikerism, if you will, the socialist, communist, pro-terrorism, pro-Hamas, dirtbag left. They are the left-wing equivalent. Pikerism is Groyperism, just on the left. So if we're supposed to be fighting the Groyper's on the right, Ezra, I would say you should be cleaning up your own house on the left and fighting the pikers. And pikerism, not positively quoting him about how bad the other side's extremists are. And this is what is worrisome to me. I'm not sure if the right is going to ultimately be successful in marginalizing people who need to be, in my view, when the left is taking their own equivalence on that extreme, on that radical side, and not just indulging them, but increasingly embracing them. Right? Hasan Piker was a valued, honored guest at the Pod Bros Summit they just had, the Obama guys with their podcast. He was there. Yeah, come on, get on stage. We love you. He's had glowing pieces in GQ and the New York Times, and I think variety. Oh, he's this handsome young guy. Maybe he's the next big thing on the left. Almost always whitewashing the appalling the appalling things that this guy says and believes.

You'd never see that kind of coverage for the Groyper's, and you shouldn't. But it's interesting that these lefty journalists and others are saying, well, yeah, those people are terrible. But if we have people like that on our side, you know, I kind of like the cut of their gym. This Hasan Piker guy, he's got muscles, he dresses well. He's got a following. We need this, I guess, to win. And you see how they justify. laundering someone like that while insisting that the other side must take out its trash. And I just have no interest hearing any of that from Ezra Klein or any of these people. And he might say, well, is it really the same? Yeah, it's it's the same. Hasan Piker has just spent the last several days, it seems, in China, sucking up at every opportunity to the Chinese Communist Party in regime. He was in Tiananmen Square where the commies famously killed a bunch of people. And he was there just basically waving the flag on behalf of the communist regime. I mean, after all, he is a communist. Right? After Zohran Mamdani, his BFF, apparently, won the mayor race in New York City, Hasan Piker was an honored guest. It would seem at the election night party. And we played this clip last week. Here he was lamenting something about fairly recent world history, cut five. We are in the heart of the imperial core. This is the country that defeated the USSR, unfortunately. This is the country, America, that defeated the USSR, unfortunately. He's sad that the Soviets lost the Cold War. He's been spending his days in communist China saying things like this. This is a new quote from Mr. Hasan Piker, cut one. I don't have any sort of patriotism in my heart. For any, yeah, for America, but just in general. I'm not like a very, you know, I care about people. Now, I have no sort of patriotism in my heart for America. That seems pretty clear. You wish we lost apparently the Cold War. He's not just saying that on his endless live streams where apparently he zaps his dog with a shock collar if the dog gets up to stretch. Isn't that lovely? But he is on the soil of a foreign adversary country run by a totalitarian communist regime, and he's bragging about his total lack of patriotism for the country that has made him extremely rich. Does he believe in political violence? Yes, he does. I know he claims, oh, no, of course not. No, he wants people to ignore the many things that he says. He lies because he said this publicly cut three. Kill them. Kill those motherfuckers. Murder those motherfuckers in the street. Let the streets, let the streets soak in their red capitalist bloods, dude. Cut four in case you missed the point. I'm sick and tired of it. Left wingers, liberals, you need to be showing your opponent's guts on there, okay? You need to be gutting them. You need to be shanking these motherfuckers.

and letting their intestines just ride on stage. What the fuck is this, man? Slice them up. Slice them and dice them. Let the streets soak in their bleeping red capitalist blood. And it's not metaphorical either because he's a big fan of that guy who murdered allegedly the health care CEO in Cold Blood in New York City. Big fan of that guy. Big fan of Hamas and terrorists who killed Jews. He said that every act of resistance is legal talking about that conflict. He's talked about how the Jews of Israel are all inbred. I mean, it's just one bigoted racist extreme thing after another. Oh, what does he think? He said he doesn't have any patriotism for America. Yeah, no kidding, because he not only is sad that we lost. The Cold War, that we won the Cold War, that his preferred side, the Soviets lost the Cold War. More recently, he also feels like, yeah, we deserved what we got on 9-11. Cut eight. America deserved 9-11, dude. I'm saying it. Like, we fucking totally brought it on ourselves, dude. Holy shit. We did. We f***ed in a video game, whatever, hypothetically, politically. He's so eloquent, isn't he? We didn't have a bleep machine. We couldn't play any of this stuff over the air. That's the person that is getting rave reviews and these glossy magazine covers and long stories about how fascinating he is and how wonderful he is from all these mainstream publications. And then one of them, the New York Times, has Ezra Klein out there saying, oh, but look at that awful. knuckle-dragging right-wing problem that they have with their extremists. And in that podcast episode, he cites the man that you've just been listening to, Hasan Piker, a communist, anti-American, pro-terrorism, dog-torturing lunatic, pro-political violence, psycho. He quotes him positively. In attacking the Groyper's and the problem that the right has, clean up your own house, sir. The thing is, they don't want to. They want this ideology and these people in their house. They want their votes. They want their support. They want their clicks. And then they look down their nose from their very high horse about extremism on the right. Let us deal with that. We're actually having this fight on our side. It seems like you've surrendered that fight on your side. So I don't want to hear anything from you. You can keep talking on the podcast. I'm going to hit the mute button. Not a shred of credibility on this issue. None. Just getting started, it's Friday. It's Guy Benson. Hot out of the gate. Stay tuned. A fresh perspective on the topics of the day. It's Guy Benson. Cheers to America's 250th birthday. Get 20% off your first purchase at Fox Newswineshop.com with code FM Radio 20. 20%. 20% discount excludes wine club offers and cannot be combined with any other promotion. Expires July 31st, 2026. Must be 21 older to order. Please drink responsibly. I'm Guy Benson.

Speaking of classy people, as we were just in the last segment, here is the former first son and Burisma employee of the year briefly. Hunter Biden on a podcast. Seems like he's been paying attention to one of our colleagues and her work, cut 26. There's no ethics in what, you know, like someone as horrendously ugly as Miranda Devine physically and in terms of her ethics. It does. I mean, she is, you know, and that goes for, you know. You know, I mean, Daily Mail and, you know, but I mean, they're horrors. I mean, they're horrors for money. And, you know, she does it because she makes money. And, you know, when she goes to sleep at night, I'm sure she sleeps just fine. But, you know, I don't know anybody that's going to be mourning her when she's gone. Wow. Well, that's lovely. Interesting that he would call someone else a whore for money. Wow, I also did not hear a rejection of anything that she's actually reported about him or a refutation. Miranda Devine will be here to react on Monday. More of Guy Benson next. In the swamp, not of the swamp. Guy Benson. We're back here. I am Guy Benson. This is Guy Benson. Our online home is Guy Benson.com, and the podcast is always free every day. Joining us now is Britt Hume, Chief Political Analyst here at Fox News, at Britt Hume on social. Britt, welcome back. Hi, Guy. How are you? Good to talk to you. Great to talk to you, as always. I see that there are reports out there, including from the New York Times, that the Trump White House is now considering some exemptions on their tariffs, especially on food products, because the affordability issue is still... biting for the American people. And while it was a boon to Republicans last year in the elections, it has now become an albatross for Republicans now that they are the ruling party in 2025. And of course, all eyes looking ahead to 2026, affordability politics, probably the name of the game. What do you make of the potential tariff pivot? Well, I think it's a sign that the Trump administration may now be facing up to the economic reality, which is that tariffs are attacks.

And one way or another, sooner or later, they all find their way into prices. And they don't lower them. They raise them. You know, tariffs used in some relatively modest way to pry open markets or one thing. But the tariffs on the scale that this president has imposed them are bound to affect prices and not for the better. And this administration is right to claim that the inflation that we're experiencing is a result of the policies of the Biden administration, especially the extent. extravagant spending, reckless spending that went on particularly early in that administration. They're right to say that that's what flooded the economy with money and drove up prices and inflated the currency. But they were expected to do something about it. They certainly weren't expected to have it become worse. Yeah, and they would argue the White House would that they've made a lot of progress in certain areas and they're opening up more drilling and energy production and they want to build more. housing for people which would drive down the costs and the big beautiful bill had a lot of really good pro growth elements of it and prevented a giant tax increase across the board they have a story to tell a lot of it is good the thing is though brett it seems like the impatient public wants this fix and wants it fixed yesterday and part of the issue that i i see here and i keep talking about is trump On one hand, you know, when he campaigned, he said, oh, well, we'll fix it all and we'll fix it quickly. It's very easy to fix. And then I think a lot of people hear that and say, okay, well, I hope he will come in and do it very quickly. He kind of put himself on something of a clock using those types of promises and that kind of rhetoric. And then you are absolutely right that this administration is totally justified in pointing out. how the last team left things in tatters for them. And the Democrats did all this inflationary spending. It's wild to me to see Democrats who are responsible for the high prices now complaining about them like, you know, they're just these bystanders. But rather than, in my view, systematically saying it's going to take a while, we are digging out. The last guys were extremely destructive and we're trying to unwind this thing and get things better. It seems to me that sometimes the president bristles. at any suggestion that things aren't great right now, which kind of conflicts with the type of messaging that you're talking about, at least in a disciplined and consistent way. So I wonder sometimes if he's not doing himself some favors the way he talks about these things sometimes. Well, when people are complaining about something, And they are, and the evidence that they're concerned about these prices is showing up now in the most recent election returns.

which are small, but I think telling because they were across the country, it's a very bad political mistake to refuse to acknowledge that the people have a point. We saw that happen a little bit in earlier administrations. Biden administration, for example, was, you know, the member of inflation was supposed to be temporary, transitory, and it kind of never transited away, did it? And so this administration needs to take this seriously. And I think it's beginning to, and you're entirely right that there are measures that have been taken on energy production, for example, that have helped to drive prices down. People notice that at the gasoline pump. But I think what's really happening in part here, the guy, is that when food prices are climbing as they have and continue to, that is something that is no way that doesn't affect people and make them anxious, nervous, concerned, worried. especially it's accompanied at a time when for a combination of reasons, housing prices are rising, and people are definitely having trouble buying a home, particularly young people. Yeah, I mean, and Trump, to great effect last year on the campaign trail, would talk about grocery prices. He did a big photo op at a grocery store where he had a bunch of items and then two price tags, one when he left office and won what it was last year, and invariably. All the prices had gone up. He blamed, not without reason, Democrats and the Biden team for doing that. And so now the question becomes, can he reverse course? Can he get this economy into a better place in enough time? for the midterm elections. And maybe some of these changes on tariffs are a signal that it's a bow to that economic reality and nod to that that you're talking about. Maybe not a full surrender, but like, okay, we have to deal with results here. Because ultimately, how often do we say it, Britt, during the Biden administration where they would wring their hands about their messaging problems on the economy? And we kept saying it's not a messaging problem. It is a substance problem. It is a reality problem. And they never really were able to deal with that. The Republicans cannot fall into that same trap here. Well, and they have to be careful what they pose as solutions, too. It is one thing to do take actions that might have the effect of getting prices under control or at least leveling them off. In certain areas, automobile fuel, for example, prices do go up and down. But in most areas, once prices go up, they tend to stay at that level, and kind of the best you can do is to prevent them from going higher if your policies are effective. So that's a problem that people face. People eventually get used to them. Sometimes wages catch up. People are better able to afford them. But I think the administration needs to be careful what it poses here, and I think that it needs to take a hard look at these tariffs, because I think in the end they may go down as a mistake, and indeed they may be struck down by the Supreme Court.

Yep, and that's a big question hanging over all of this. We will discuss it in the next hour when Shannon Bream is here. Britt, we just finally saw the conclusion of the longest government shutdown in American history. Almost a month and a half. It was a Democrat shutdown that they bizarrely... took credit forward their base and were very angry that it was put to an end by some members of their party. But they also said it was the Republicans' fault. And they didn't really shoulder the lion's share of blame in the public's imagination, even though they were. basically exclusively responsible for the shutdown. So a very long one, a very strange one. They didn't get anything out of it, and they seem to be very upset with one another right now. You've covered a number of these shutdown battles through the years. What strikes you about this one that just finally ended? Well, they never work, and this one didn't either, and it was never going to work. I don't think that – and frankly, I don't think it was really about the Obamacare subsidies. Yes, the Democrats very much wanted to continue them. They were set to expire. And that expiration date, by the way, was something that all the Democrats had voted for when it was proposed. And, you know, it raises this question in my mind. If we cannot allow a set of subsidies that were put in place in a national health emergency and which everybody voted to have expired that voted for them, we can't allow them to expire. We have no hope of ever dealing with our debt problem. I mean, this is a program to help what the Democrats really wanted out of it. Yes, they wanted the relief during COVID, but they wanted to continue them because Obamacare has failed to do what its name suggested it would do, and that was to make health care affordable. It was, after all, called the Affordable Care Act. It hasn't worked, and it's being propped up now. shutting the government down was never going to be the way to correct the problem. Yeah, not only did it not work, I think it demonstrably failed based on the metrics that were marketed to the American people. Now, that was 2009 and 2010. I think if you ask voters, do you think that Republicans should roll back the subsidies for needy people on their health care? The polling would be very bad for the Republicans on that question. But if you ask them new so-called...

emergency, temporary subsidies, going to the insurance companies, in many cases for people making hundreds of thousands of dollars, their families, brand new, temporary ones that were only supposed to be for the COVID emergency, letting those expire. What do you think of that? I think you'd get a very different response from the American people, but that's what we know how the left is going to try to argue this one, Brett, how they're going to try to frame up the issue. They want Americans to believe. that what Republicans are talking about is ending Obamacare subsidies that go all the way back to 2009 as opposed to the way that the actual reality is laid out, which you just mentioned a moment ago. I wonder if that is a explaining and losing proposition for the Republicans if they just try to message this thing accurately. I wonder if that's a fight they can win. I think it's a hard sell because of just how you framed it. And the polling is likely to frame it not the way you describe where it could be, could be done. But in the initial way you described it, where people get the idea that's something that they had was being taken away from them by the mean Republicans. This kind of fighting over spending had been going on forever. But we are approaching a situation where this spending has got to be under control. I think the public understands that as well. So, you know, vote for me, I'll do less, has rarely worked. But there has to be a point here where people begin to say, wait a minute, the spending was reckless. It was crazy. It was, it's way out of control, and it threatens all of us. So that's, and I think, you know, that's a message it could resonate. Britt, on the conclusion of this government shutdown, the story now has become. this intensifying battle on the left and within the Democratic Party, I was struck and I was frustrated, frankly, by the fact that many in the media were covering the shutdown in an oblique way, I think intentionally kind of maybe not. actively misleading, but intentionally vague in terms of who was really at fault. And the fact that Democrats were not getting walloped for their central role in the shutdown, again, a source of consternation to me. But it's not like they were winning either. They didn't actually get any of the big concessions or Obamacare policy changes or extensions that they wanted. And now they are tearing each other limb from limb. because of this. And leadership seems to be on the rocks. The knives are out for Chuck Schumer. The young, very left-wing base of the party is ascendant. They're very excited about what happened in New York City, for example. I just wonder how you see some of that playing out because for a group of folks that just won some big elections just over a week ago, they seem still pretty angry and miserable. I agree with that. It translated into votes for Democrats a week or so ago. And we have to bear something in mind here, which is this. For all the trivails, the Democratic Party is going to, and they're real. And it needs new leadership, and younger members are clamoring for it, and they'll probably get it sooner or later.

Mr. Trump has his own set of problems, and they were illustrated by those election results. The Democrats have been in a terrible bind politically. The Biden administration was a failure in the eyes of voters, and that is what helped reelect Donald Trump. That was a great comeback. I don't dispute that. He overcame obstacles that I couldn't even dream of trying to overcome, and all the rest of that is true. He is the biggest political figure of our time. But the fact that the Democrats came as close as they did in the 2024 election is illustrative of the fact that resistance to Donald Trump remains strong, and opposition to him remains strong. And it motivates the Democrats more than anything else. It's what they're about these days. And I think, you know, that the Trump administration needs to think about these issues and recognize that they have a problem. And if they also on top of that have a problem with the economy, which was his signature issue, then they've got deep trouble. Brett Hume is chief political analyst here at Fox News. You can follow him as I do at Britt Hume on social media. Britt, always appreciate your time. Have a great weekend. We'll talk soon. Thanks, Guy. Always good to talk to you. When we come back... A brief moment for me with an announcement about something going on in my life, in my career. I want to address it after this. Miss a minute. Miss a lot. Guy Benson. We are back. So I posted something last night on Twitter or X, Guy Benson. You can follow me if you'd like. I also shared it on my Instagram story, Guy Benson as well on Instagram. And it was a link to a post at townhall.com where I have served for a long time as political editor, something I would mention often at the top of the show here. And I was in that capacity, in that role at townhall.com for 15 years, as a matter of fact. And the parent company that owns that website, I've worked for them or had worked for them for 18 years. since the very, very beginning of my career in 2008. And I have not been mentioning my town hall affiliation here on air recently because, as it happens, I'm no longer affiliated with Town Hall. After 15 years there and 18 years overall at the company, I have moved on from Town Hall, and it was a wonderful, great run. And I'm just extremely thankful to everyone that I worked with there. My boss, Jonathan Garthwaite, the people who hired me into the company in the first place, Marcus Brown, Dave Santrella, many, many folks that I worked with through the years. I mean, a great mentor to this day and a Fox colleague now, Hugh Hewitt. He's still there. And what a terrific person he is. I owe a lot of my career to him. Our wonderful friend here, Katie Pavlach, our colleague at Fox, she and I work side by side at Town Hall nearly that entire time. She has also just recently stepped away from her role there, and she leaves behind a wonderful, impressive legacy of leadership at Town Hall. So I have nothing but positive things to say about my great time at Town Hall. And I can't name everyone that I worked with through the years there. Kevin, Chris, Christine, Dan, Leah, Storm, Matt.

Micah, Rebecca, Connor. The list goes on. Courtney, who's now a Fox News colleague. I will definitely miss a lot of the people and the audience. Those of you who have read my analysis and my reporting and my commentary at townhall.com through the years, I so appreciate that very, very much. It's been a pleasure and honor to have that platform to really write about. anything that I wanted to. I just like full editorial independence. If it was on my mind, if I thought it was important, if I thought it was interesting, I had a green light to write about it, and I did. I wrote a lot. I wonder what my word count was over 15 years plus at townhall.com, because I had a column there before I joined full time. Many, many, many, many thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of words, millies? I don't know. Maybe AI can figure that out for me. But a lot of virtual ink was spilled. And it was a great time, but all good things come to an end. And it was a good thing. But this is my farewell from Town Hall. If you're wondering, am I sticking around here? The answer is yes. Not going anywhere. In fact, more announcements on that front to come soon. So please do stay tuned for that. Will I be writing elsewhere? My answer is hopefully yes. A couple things in the work. Stay tuned for that as well. So just a point of personal privilege. Thank you, Town Hall. An end of an era. Another hour of Guy Benson coming up. Shannon Brem is here next.

A new generation of conservative talk. Right here, right now. Fair, fun, and backed by the trusted voices and reporting resources of Fox News. Fox News. You're listening to Guy Benson. And now, here's your host, Guy Benson. A new hour here on Guy Benson Friday. Glad you're with us. Thank you for listening. Guy Benson.com podcast always free. Bonus Guy Benson on the weekends. It's going to be a doozy. So don't miss it. Fox News alert as we hit this middle hour. The Dow, tumbling, 309 more points. Closing at 47,147. That's actually way off of session lows, rallied a bit. compared to where it was earlier today, but jitters about tech earnings and AI driving a lot of that. So that is how the market ended and closed for the week. Joining us here in studio in Washington, D.C., is the one and only Shannon Bream, chief legal correspondent here at Fox, also anchor of Fox News Sunday. Check your local listings. Hello, Shannon. Hi, I'm sorry, did you just hear my stomach? I did not. Okay, good. I promise you. I promise you. But you know I didn't eat lunch until just now. So my stomach is now starting to catch up. You're going through it here. It's one of those days. You're a trooper for showing up here. I'll be joining you on the panel tonight. You're in for Brad Bayer on Special Report together. That'll be fun. So I want to talk about the court. We often talk about the Supreme Court here. It is your Bailey Steve Witkoff. You and I had been texting a lot over the last couple months and you've been so great about it because I had all these people saying, oh, the Supreme Court, they're going to overturn gay marriage. I'm like, no, they're not. They're not even going to take the case. I felt very confident in that analysis. more so when you agreed with it. And then you would update me every few weeks when they either hadn't taken it or it had been punted off till the next conference or whatever. And then finally, what I expected indeed happened. And you sent me like a little congratulatory celebratory like, here you go. We were right. Right. You're vindicated. All of the predictions that you made, despite the doom and gloom of people saying, like, oh, the court's definitely going to revisit this. The conservatives want to, you know, upheaval of the whole situation that was solved by Obergefell back in 2015. And neither you nor I was convinced that was anywhere near happening. And yet so much of the coverage I thought was so sloppy at best. I would send, I would take photos of chiron's and lower thirds on other networks and text them to you saying, look at how they are presenting this. And you would just like send me eye roll emojis. Right. Like it's fine. You and I know there are thousands of cases appealed to the court every year. So this case was just on the list with thousands of others, which has to go through a process of a vote. It takes four votes by four just to get it onto the docket. And so I just never really thought that they had any interest in revisiting that constitutional question at all. Two of them. Two of them maybe.

Yeah, and you're right. Justice Gorsuch is the one who pushed that. And he said, at what point can Congress defer so much power to the executive branch? Could he declare war? We know that's something that is reserved to Congress. He was like, where is the line here? And he did bring up that issue. What if the next president wants to declare a climate emergency and then overtax or over-tariff or over-regulate anything connected to fossil fuels? I mean, he saw the potential problems of going down that path. He's going to be one of the key votes in this. Then there's a case upcoming on. sports, women's sports, transgender issues. This has been a live wire in American politics now for a couple electoral cycles with big impact in one, not so much last week, but... a controversy, at least in our politics, in terms of public opinion, not terribly controversial, like 80-20, but it keeps cropping up, activists keep pushing it. What's the Supreme Court going to decide, or here at least? Yeah, so in January, they've just come out with their calendar. They're going to decide a couple of these states that have bans on people who were born biologically male, then entering into the space of women's sports in high school. That's primarily where the context is for arguing this. And so you've got states like West Virginia and some others out there who've said, We don't want people born biologically male competing with our girls in their high school sports, taking away potential scholarship opportunities, presenting a physical potential risk to them as well. So the court has finally waited in. They did get to four votes on that to say, we'll hear this in January. That will be, I think, highly watched, right? Highly anticipated. I can't imagine what the constitutional argument would be that states don't have the right to pass those types of laws. But you know that there will be aggressive arguments made on both sides. We'll keep an eye on that for sure and have you back, Shannon. Before we go, 30 seconds, tell us all about Fox News Sunday. So we are going to have the speaker with us exclusively. Where do we go from here? Are we going to have another shutdown when this, you know, tranche of funding runs out January 30th? We're also going to talk to Senator Rick Scott, who was a health care executive for a long time and Democrat Congressman Ami Berra, who's a medical doctor. Is there any common ground on fixing our health care system? Okay, plus the panel and so much more. Check your local listings on Sunday morning. That show replays in the afternoon on Fox News Channel as well on Sundays, anchored by Shannon Bream, our guest. here in studio, the Tony Snow Studios, on Guy Benson. Thank you, Shannon. Great to see you. Thanks, Guy. Have a great weekend. See you on TV tonight. I'll see you today. We'll special report. We'll step aside. We'll be right back. I'm Guy Benson. We are back. Several people sent me some audio sound bites or some video clips of... A very, very bizarre interview conducted by Katie Couric, formerly of CBS and NBC News, part of that establishment journalism crowd. She had Senator John Fetterman, one of the last remaining somewhat sensible Democrats in the U.S. Congress on her podcast. And I guess she decided that a really good use of her time and his was to grill him.

about Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk's death and John Fetterman grieving him and saying that no one should celebrate that. And it's a young man and a young father whose kids and wife lost someone of utmost importance in their lives. John Fetterman was really humane and kind and sweet about all of this. He did the human thing rather than the unhinged ideological thing that unfortunately a lot of others indulged in and engaged in. He did not. And it almost seems as though that is really offended or bothered Katie Couric, who is more or less turning the screws on John Fetterman, really getting into all of this, demanding that he explain himself, basically, starting in Cut 32. Listen to this. Do you think that flag should have been flown at half staff? Do you think his body should have been flown on Air Force, too? Do you think he should have posthumously be? given the Presidential Medal of Freedom, I think some people felt that that was perhaps over the top in terms of mourning someone like Charlie Kirk. How did you feel about that? I'd say that that was his choice and his prerogative. And that's where that's, that was really entirely up to him. The him there being President Trump. Notice the effort to attribute these feelings and these thoughts to, quote, some people who felt a certain way. Just step forward and say, I'm bothered by this, Katie. Just admit it. That you feel like the country in an official way mourned Charlie Kirk after his assassination because of his speech. You feel like he was mourned too much. You didn't like that his casket was on Air Force 2. You didn't like the half-staff flags. You didn't like the award that was given to him posthumously by the president. You can just say it. Make it clear that that's your view. Don't pawn it off on some faceless others. Some people felt. If you didn't feel this way, you wouldn't be asking these questions or continuing down this line of questioning, absolutely bizarre to me. She wasn't done, nowhere close, cut 33. Did you have any issues now in hindsight over some of the things that Charlie Kirk said and some of the rhetoric he used during his life? I didn't agree with much of it. I didn't closely followed his specific kinds of views. But I did. I'm sure you learned about them after his death, though. No, I haven't done a deep dive on it. You know, I described, I mean, we've all seen that terrible video. Perhaps if you've seen the actual video, I have. And it's like appalling. And that's part of the political violence. And from what I'm saying, it's like, that's unacceptable. And engaging in a debate and views I strongly disagree on, that's part of the American democracy. And for me, it's, that would never justify.

what's happened and I just chose not to take the opportunity to argue his views after after children lost his father in the most violent public way. I mean, so that's, I would say the equivalent. The equivalent on the left might be say, Mr. Hasan Piker, I strongly disagree with his views, but I would, I'm appalled if something like that happened to him. Oh my God. I mean, that's, you know, like we have to. We have to disagree in better ways where, you know, you're going to solve it by shooting people. And that's why the kinds of rhetoric, we have to turn the temperature down. Extreme rhetoric makes it easier for extreme reactions or to justify them. It is incredible that he has to be the voice of reason in this conversation. She's like, well, surely after he was murdered and his neck was shot open in front of everyone and it went all over the internet, surely you researched his views and had problems with them, right? Took issues with what he said. And John Fetterman's like, no, I actually didn't learn that much. I didn't know that much about what he said. I disagree with a lot of it. He's like, well, I mean, after he died, you must have known, right? No, I didn't do a deep dive, Katie. into all the ways I might have disagreed with the murder victim. That is a normal, sane, human response to what happened to Charlie. And she's trying to get him. Clearly, she is trying to corner him into denouncing Charlie Kirk, who is not here to defend himself because he was shot dead by a leftist. You can... agree or disagree with anything that he had to say. I agreed with most of it, disagreed with some of it. As John Fetterman points out, like, hey, Katie, that's kind of irrelevant, right, given what happened to him, right? I'm not sure she agrees. She pressed further, cut 34. I think some people might say Charlie Kirk's rhetoric was extreme. You know, I think that's the conversation that happened. People condemned political violence, but they also felt a great deal of discomfort with his language suggesting that these kinds of words lead to violence. I don't know. I'm just kind of sharing my observations as I saw the conversations unfold. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think we agree that we probably didn't agree with much of what he said. But I think we, I'm sure we both agree that you shouldn't shoot people, you know, and you shouldn't execute them in public. And I think, I think that's two things must be true. That. Free speech. I'm an absolute free speech guy. And you have the right to say these things. And you definitely also have the right not to get shot by sharing your views. Yeah. Thank you, Senator. He keeps bringing it back, dragging her back to the actual point. She keeps trying to relitigate Charlie's views. And she says, oh, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just observing. No, you're not.

You are opining. Did you notice that the some people made another appearance? It was back to Katie referencing some people who might think that Charlie's rhetoric was extreme. Then she quickly says, well, you don't want political violence. But the butt arrives very quickly. And it's back to, will you denounce this murder victim and his views, sir? That's the line of questioning. That's the spirit of what she's doing here. And she's wringing her hands that Charlie's rhetoric might inspire violence. That's what I heard. He's the victim. He was the one who was shot dead. I feel like I'm going crazy here. And by the way, if she had some problems with what Charlie said when he was alive, she probably could have met him, interviewed him. She's a powerful, resourceful person. I doubt she would have, quote, platformed him. So I'm sure she found him terrible and repulsive because he was, I should say, he was a conservative before he was murdered. for his views by someone who shared, it would seem, a lot of Katie Couric's views. I'm not blaming her for the murder, but I am questioning what the hell she was thinking, spending her time with a U.S. Senator on her podcast, really trying to see how hard she could push him to disagree specifically and vociferously with the guy who was assassinated. in cold blood because of his views while he was literally engaged in the exchange of ideas and free speech. Her obsession, the way that she pursued all of that to me is quite disturbing, actually. And revealing in a way that I think is not at all flattering. when it comes to the mindset of Katie Couric. Very revealing. This was a revealing interview exchange, not revealing because of the questions that were asked and the responses that they elicited from a powerful person. The revealing part were the questions themselves. Coming from someone who is entrenched in that world and was for many decades speaking, I fear, on behalf of quite a lot of them. telling on herself attributing it to some people. No, no. We heard that loud and clear, Katie. More of Guy Benson up next. Guy Benson, sponsored by Previgin. Previgent, made for your brain. Half time on Guy Benson on this Friday. Thanks so much for being here. Guy Benson.com. Podcasts always free. And this segment that you're about to hear was absolutely booked by one producer, Christine. It is a wine segment. She calls it Mama's Juice. I'm a wine fan myself, got married in wine country years ago.

And so when this opportunity arose, Christine just jumped all over it. I, of course, do not object. I do have one concern about the segment, which is our guests are in New York. I'm in D.C. And so some of the fun is not going to be available to me during the segment. But Christine has magnanimously offered to be in studio with these gentlemen and perhaps to taste test and sample some of the products that they have brought along with them. They are Adam Lazare. who is the head winemaker at Lazar Wines and a U.S. Navy veteran, and Chase Vienno, who's the head winemaker at Arrington Vineyards, and they are featured in the brand new Fox Nation special Wine Nation, which is available starting today, hosted by Abby Hornacek, who is wonderful, she's fabulous, but I'm not happy with Abby right now, not at all, because she was given this opportunity. And I'm like, I need to, like, call my agent or something because how do I get passed over for a wine show? Wine Nation, on Fox Nation, available starting today. Adam, Chase, welcome to the show. Great to have you. Thank you for having us done. Yeah, thank you. All right. So, Adam, give us maybe your journey. into becoming an eneophile and then a winemaker. Oh, Lord. Okay. I actually fell in love with wine while I was in the service. I was stationed up in the Seattle area near a shipyard. And when I went overseas for a couple of years, I started flying back and forth to Singapore once a month during the Gulf War and bringing bottles of wine back. I was just reading books about it and studying it and tasting, and I just got the hook. You know, at some point in anybody's life who is in the wine industry, there was a paradigm shifting moment where everything just changed. I don't want to be a lawyer anymore. I want to make wine. I don't want to be a doctor anymore. I want to make wine. I don't want to be in the military anymore. I want to make wine. And for me, that was a great bottle of Australian Chardonnay and a vintage port. And that changed everything. So I went to Fresno State University, got my degree in Enology. And I've been making wine for 34 years now. So you served honorably. You completed your service. And then you came back stateside and said, I want to do this with my life. I want to learn. And you went and you got a degree. And now the rest is history. Chase, what's your story on this? Yeah, so my story started in 2001, kind of right out of high school. I was kind of already kind of doing some farming in the area. You know, they could drive tractors and forklifts and all that kind of fun stuff. And I stepped foot onto Beach Haven Vineyard and Winery's land there, their vineyard in 2001. And...

You know, it's kind of opposite for myself because I wasn't drinking then. You know, I was 18 and I was kind of a farm boy. I love farming. You weren't drinking. Well, you know, right? I actually wasn't. Incredulous look from over here. Yeah, I know. Ironically, I wasn't drinking wine. Let's do that. I think Christine, we heard an incredulous Christine in the background wondering if you weren't really drinking at 18. And just for future reference, Christine, you have to turn your microphone on for it to work here on the radio program, but she's new at this. It's fine. All right. So you were a farm boy, Chase. You hadn't been drinking. You were maybe in high school, just at high school. At least wine. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. So that's how I got into industry. I was just, I liked the farming aspect of it. You know, and then when I did kind of start drinking, I started out with some sweet wines and then really learned the art of winemaking, which led into wines that were being aged in barrels and different varietals and really learning that aspect of it. And that's what really drew me into it, you know, when you could start pairing wines with food and then really saw how wine brings people together. And that's, you know, that's. That's kind of the story behind all that. You know, this working, and once I got the job at Arrington in 2008, I soon met a lady, which is now my wife. I met her at the Vineyard at Arrington Vineyards. We got married at Arrington Vineyards, and we also created a family with two beautiful girls. So it's been a lot of fun. Chase, where are you from originally? I'm originally from Clarksville, Tennessee. Okay, and Adam, where are you from originally? Santa Monica, California. All right. So different parts of the country, but followed the same passion. Here you are. And I will just point out to this notion that wine brings people together, pairing with foods. Of course, that's all true. As a matter of fact, this evening, when I'm done with Special Report, when I get off the air, I'm hopping in a car, heading to a friend's house who's putting on a dinner party, and we're bringing wine. and I asked what was on the menu to make sure that it would complement the dinner. So this is something that is totally speaking my language. Now, it's my understanding that you guys have brought along with you. a few wines potentially to be sampled. Is that correct? That's correct. Potentially to be sampled. Yep. Okay. Very good. Potentially. I think we are. This is not hypothetical. It's not a drill, folks. Christine is in the room. So we know this is happening. What do you have? What do we have for Christine to try? I'll start off with Arrington's. So this is a, it's called antiquity. This, this is 100% Tennessee grown grapes. It's about 80% Shamerson, about 15% enchantment, and the rest is Nore. And this has been aged with French oak. Oh, did you hear that? Oh, that's fabulous ASMR here on the radio. And then it gets transferred to freshly.

emptied Tennessee whiskey barrels to finish it off for about 12 more months. So it really, it's a really, really cool blend that really expresses the touroir there in Tennessee. So, cheers, everyone. Cheers. It's been poured. Christine, before you sample this. Yes. Could you maybe give a little sniff, a little nose here? Can you? Can you identify any notes? Oh, you want me to be sophisticated, Christine. Yes, please. Okay, not cookie. I just want to say first, this is the best workday ever, ever. And to add to this, we are drinking out of solo cups here. So, you know, glasses will definitely enhance your flavors and really. Okay, so what do you do? You like twirl. Give it a little twirl. Why do you do that? Why do you swirl a twirlie? Swirl it. So the reason being is that when you stick your nose in a glass, what you have is the surface of the wine that you're smelling from. But when you swirl it like this, and I do it on the table with a Dixie Cup or a Solo Cup, all of a sudden I've got wine around the entire edge of it. You've got this way more surface area. All these aromas are coming out. That's what I was got to say. You were correct. And it'll help open it up a little bit to get a little oxygen to it and a little lip. We need to let a breeze. Exactly. I know. I know. I know. Okay. Cheers, everybody. Cheers. So now what is this blend? So it's 100% Tennessee grown grapes right there in Middle Tennessee at Arrington Vineyards. Oh my goodness. The main varietal is Shamerson. So we grow a lot of that in the state. It's very versatile. You know, you can make a sparkling wine. We can make a traditional style, ruby style port, dry red wine, semi-sweet wine. Sweet wine. So, you know, we can use it for a lot of different things. And it grows really well in our climate. Guy, I really think you would like this one. Well, in fact, I'm... You were clearly not paying attention to this segment because I had already asked the exact question. I know, it's pouring wine. Sorry. I figured you were distracted, frankly, by the wine. So I'm glad that you followed up for the audience. And so you're a fan of it. How would you describe it? How would you describe it? How would you? You'll definitely get that from the barrel.

I'm a little bit from the French oak. And then when it's finished off in that whiskey barrel, it really gives it kind of a cool... like whiskey lactone, which is kind of when you're tasting and smelling whiskey. Oh, I know whiskey. Vanilla. Yeah, a little bit of vanilla. Caramel. Yeah, and it's American oak, too, so that oak is a little different than the French oak that was aged in previously. So it makes it a pretty complex wine. Dare I say smooth? Yes, yes. Yep. This is a... Listen to me, you guys. Yeah, so it's a silkier, kind of less tanic wine. That was going to be the next way. See, Guy. Can you tell how sophisticated I am? Yeah, I'm duly impressed. So that's the Arrington Vineyards wine that you just sampled. I assume there's also a bottle of Lazar. You would assume correctly. All right. So tell us about that one, if you would, Adam. So this, I got to pour first. Hold on. My Christina, she's on it. She's like priorities. My host asked a question, but pour. Poor, monkey, poor. Yeah, we're making the sound of pouring right now, just so you know there's no dead airspace right now. So this comes from the Santa Maria Valley on the central coast of California. I live in Paso Robles, although I just spent the last 11 years working up in Santa Rose up in Sonoma. But I have a small winery that I share with retired EOD naval commander Leon Tackett. at his winery up in San Miguel near Pasobleau. These grapes bring in from the Santa Maria Valley, which is south of Pasoobulus. I would say it's probably about an hour north of Santa Barbara that puts things in perspective. It's the only valley. By the way, in California, wine growing valley, Appalachian, where the hills run east to west. So when the heat rises from the east, it draws in all this cool air off the ocean, and we're not far from the ocean. And that beautiful mitigating factor is perfect for Pinot Noir and Chardonnay, Pinotry, Riesling, cool climate grapes like that. So these wines tend to be a little more expressive. Very aromatic, like black cherry. I'm giving your descriptors for you right now. You're going to have to figure this out. So it's a beautiful. I love working with Pino. I've been making it for a long time. And the grape never ceases to amaze me. It's a Pinot. This is a Pinot Noir? Okay, very good. And by the way, you were just talking about Northern California. We have an audience, a significant one at KSRO in Santa Rosa, so they can come and check you guys out for sure. We also have an audience in Memphis and elsewhere in Tennessee, so you can maybe make a day trip out to Arrington at some point, just noting for our local affiliates, some opportunities here. So this is a light-bodied red, Christine. Yes. Are you ready to consume?

Oh, we, we were, you want me to pour some more? Have you already consumed? Oh, yeah. I've been drinking the whole time. It's a beautiful peanut. I have to, I have to say it is lighter, I would say, than the other one, correct? Yes, yeah. You're right, very aromatic. Is that the right word? No, it's correct. Yeah. You could just smell it, you know. It just smells like grapes. You know, real good grapes, guy. It's a pretty sexy one. Smells like grapes. That is, that's an insight. That's, I mean, you might need a career change, Christine. By the way, now that these bottles are open. Yes. Christine, what is the policy on New Jersey transit buses and trains? Are you allowed to? Yes. Put a cork in it. Oh, yeah. You want me to just like get a paper bag? Or like a paper bag. Oh, God, yeah. Straight from the bottle or? Well, I'm a lady. I'm a lady. I'm a lady. I'm a lady and a scholar. Do you have a preference, Christine, between the two or are they just different enough that you can't choose? It's like choosing between your. Okay. It would be like choosing between Dylan and Justin. You just can't do it. Yeah. You know, to kind of add to that, you know, we wish we could grow West Coast style or French varietals. I wish you could do because I'd love to move out there. That's beautiful. In Tennessee, so all this is French American hybrids. So they're a little more resistant to how much rain we get. The humidity through the night, you know, the warmer temperatures through the night. We don't get the influx off the ocean like you guys do. And that kind of changes the way we make wine and the varietals that we try to grow. You know, and so that's, it's so diverse. You know, we've tried to grow Cabernet. We've tried to go Merlot. And you just can't do it in Tennessee successfully. You might be able to get a crop. or two, and then, you know, we'll hit negative five on a random day at night, and all the plants will just die. You know, the trunks will split. And so then your experiment that you've invested a lot of money in is down the drain. Yeah, you've got to work with what you got, right? And the topography and the climate and all of that, there really is a science to this, in addition to the heart, that goes into this craft. On that subject, I have a very big question for each of you. Let's get to it as soon as we come back. The wine is flowing. Cookie is happy. It's Guy Benson on a Friday. Stay tuned. America is listening to Guy Benson.

We're back. It's Guy Benson. We're talking with winemakers, Adam Lazare and Chase Vienno. They are both in our New York studios with Christine. They've been sampling wines having a grand old time up there. Sadly, without me, both featured on Fox Nation, Wine Nation starting today. Abby Hornichek, the host, they are also part of something very exciting that we're going to get to in a second. But before that, I mentioned before the break. Big question. I want to ask you this. Do each of you, Adam and Chase, have favorite overall varietals? Like if it was somehow mandated by a court that you could only drink one varietal of wine for the rest of your life. What would you choose and why? Oh, drink one varietal. Probably be a bourbon. A wine. Just saying. You know, I mean, it would have to be a red and a white. And I think for a red, it would probably be Pinoir because it is probably the most versatile red wine for food. It works with fish, salmon, works for fowl, works for ham. It's certainly a great wine for Thanksgiving. There's a lot of versatility in it. And for White, I love a really good chardonnay and 70 Blanc, too, I have to admit, 70 Blancs are pretty edgy. But I can get tired of that over a period of time. So I would say just a full-bodied voluptuous chardonnay from somewhere special. Yeah. Okay, Chase, same question. Yeah. You know, I think for a red, you know, I think if I was going to drink wine daily, I kind of like this San Jovese Petit Sarablin. I know it's not just one varietal, but it's two that's blended together that makes a really awesome wine. You know, you get a lighter cherry structure from the San Joveseves and the Petit Saras, more in color, more tanic. It makes it more complex. So I think I would choose a blend like that. But if I had to choose a single variety, I like a good cabernet with a good steak, you know, a nice structured cab, a lot of tanning. Can I change my answer? Yeah. And then for, you know, a white, you know, so blanc, I totally agree with you. If, you know, how, if it's made perfect, you know, not so grassy, not too tropical, but kind of right in the middle. It's an easy drinking on a warm summer day wine. See, that's talking my language right there. I would probably go with a cab, for sure, a big, bold cab on the red side. And if I'm going to drink white, probably a Sancerre, right? So that's where I'm at. I'm jealous that I'm not there with you sampling these delicious wines on this Friday. Before we go, Adam, tell us about Fox News American Wine Club. This is fantastic. So this gives everybody an opportunity, particularly people who don't know a lot about wine, an opportunity to sample a whole collection of wines that gets shipped to your house. And...

If you join, nine bottles that go out with each shipment, and you get to sample great wines from the United States from all over the country because it's not just California. It's Tennessee, it's Arizona, it's New York, it's Minnesota, it's Oregon. There's a ton of places that are growing great wine, and you get an opportunity to try some of those. And those also are reserved tier, if you want to get to the next level. I know Arrington has a wine in the reserve tier, which is a very special wine. But important to me as a veteran that a portion of the proceeds go to U.S. vets, which helps to mitigate the homeless issue with veterans right now. And that's extremely important. It's special. Yeah, so I want to underscore that point. Every wine club case purchase supports U.S. vets and their mission to prevent and veteran homelessness. You can start right now. It's delicious. You can also save. So unlock those savings and get free merch. Sign up for the Fox News Wine Club at Fox Newswineshop.com. And also check out starting today on Fox Nation, Wine Nation, hosted by our friend and colleague, Abby Hornacek. Adam Chase, fantastic experience. I wish I could have joined you in person, but I know that you have made Christine's month. Thanks so much for dropping by. Thank you so much for having us on. Thank you, yeah. Final hour of Guy Benson coming up. Kat Timp joins us in studio, that very same studio in New York. When we come back, Fridays with Kat and the Happy Hour next.

Raise your glass to Guy Benson Happy Hour. Brought to you by the Finnish Long Drink. Finland's most popular alcoholic beverage is taking America by storm. Visit thelongdrink.com. And now, here's Guy Benson. Happy hour on Guy Benson. Happy Friday, everyone, Guy Benson.com. Podcast always free, bonus Guy Benson on the weekends. Catch me tonight on special report coming up in the next hour on Fox News channel. This radio hour brought to you by the Finnish long drink. Please drink responsibly 21 plus only, the longdrink.com. With us now, Kat Timp, Fox News contributor, co-host of Gutfeld every weeknight at 10 p.m. Eastern on the Fox News channel, bestselling author, most recently of I used to like you until. Cat, it's Fridays with Cat. Welcome back. Hey, hey, hey. We love hearing that voice from our New York headquarters. Beautiful, beautiful microphone up there. Thanks. I want to start with something that is both kind of a light topic and then maybe a little bit less so for you because it is relevant. to something that you're going through and something that you and I just talked about the other day when I was up in New York. Yes. And that is this controversy around Tom Brady, now our Fox colleague, I will add, who revealed that his family dog is in fact a clone. of their previous pet, and a lot of people like that is extremely creepy, a whole conversation around cloning, which feels like a debate we had maybe in the early 2000s as a country, but this is about pets, so it's not humans. Because of your cat's situation health-wise, is this something that has crossed your radar? No. Absolutely not. I could talk about this for an hour, guys. So buckle up. I'm buckled. So, Jeans, as you well know, is 15 and a half, and he has many health issues. He's going to the vet all the time. I mean, he's had health issues for a while, but, like, you know, he's more so. So he's going to the vet on a weekly basis at this point. Like, in fairness, you and I have been friends for years. Yeah. I am not sure I've ever met a healthy change. No, exactly. When I found him, he had worms. He had a virus. The reason he was left alone was because he, a kitten that age, he was six weeks old, is the vet said it's because he was slowing down the hunt. So the family abandoned him because he was, like, weekly and sick. And like, the, the bad, you know.

kitty in the litter just like not worth it now like that's a great reverse uno because i'm pretty sure the rest of those cats are all dead i don't know what the lifespan of like a north hollywood street cat is and it probably ain't 15 but living with cat tymph in new york city exactly he's not yes so but but but but the whole beauty of cheans is not his DNA His DNA sucks. Can you say sucks on this show? You can't. It sucks. It sucks. It stinks. Okay. He's got horrible DNA. He's not a nice cat. He's not a healthy cat. He's never been a healthy cat. He has no redeeming qualities at all except the history. Except that he is who he is. Except that he has been there with me since I sound like a television preacher right now. Except that he has been there with me since I would. It was a 21-year-old. Yeah, this is Joel Austin vibes. Yeah, and you're like, let's pass the collection trays through the pews for jeans. Yes, yes. And I say, they say unto him to you, whatever. I don't, whatever. I've actually read the whole Bible in case you're wondering. But, yeah. If you ask for an amen, I will furnish one. Okay, can I get an amen? And amen, yes. Thank you, thank you, guy. But it's, you know, and he, by the way, he sleeps under my chin every night and has every night since, for 15 years, right? But like, so why would I want a cat with this DNA that is problematic and problematic equals quite expensive, I might add? for none of the history. I will not ask you, because you are talking about, you have pet insurance. Of course. And we were joking that the amount of money that the pet insurer has had to pay, like, pay out in these benefits. I'm worried he's going to get assassinated. Like there's going to be. They're going to have a sniper. I'm worried there's going to put a hit out on cheans because of the amount of money that I am billing this pet insurance company. Every month when they get, they like get another state, when they're like, this cat is still alive? How? They're like, how? And by the way, I'm right there with anyone who asks that question. I hold my breath a little every day when I open the door. When I get back home in the bedroom, I'm like, Andy moved. You know, it's like that's where we're at right now. But, you know. So I, yeah, I do, I'm a little worried that they're going to snipe him outside the vet because their company is going to go under with the amount of, because I've paid so much into this insurance and haven't gotten a lot back. And now that we are where we are now, it's like, do it. Yes, I'll take that test. Yes, we'll do this. Yes, we will do this scan. Yes, I would like that X-rayed. Yes, I would like this. You know what? You'd like me to come back next week? Sure. Yes, I'd love to come back next week. Because A. This is all in the best interest of his health. I'm not being frivolous. These are all the things he needs. But B, it's about time for you to start paying. Because they raised my premiums like a bazillion percent every year. They're horrible. They're horrible company. So this is time now for them to provide the benefit that you've been paying into for so long. Yes. And he's just, he's still.

clawing along here in life. Especially since he got his arthritis injection. He's moving around a lot better now. It is not, that's amazing that that's even a thing. It's like a 16-year-old cat. Let's get an arthritis injection. How many pills, injections, drops, whatever they might be on a daily basis, how many medical interventions? Depends on the day. Okay, let's say in a week. In a week. I mean, it depends on like the day. Like today, um, we're going out of town for the night, so he gets a little stressed out. So I gave him a little appetite stimulant, which is a little smear of cream on his ear. And then I also gave him something called serenia, which is for his little tum-tum, because he has IBD. He doesn't get that every day. It just what if I think he might have problems eating. So then you wait an hour, and then you feed him, and then I always give him his steroid and his heart medication. And then now he has a bit of an infection in his chest, so he got his antibiotic today as well. He used to have... Power is on the food. He used to have three powders on his food every day. But now he kind of like won't eat with the powders anymore. So we're not doing that anymore. But you used to have a probiotic and an arthritis medication. But now we've switched the injection. And we try whenever I can if he's extra hungry to give him the virallis, which is a herpes supplement because he has herpes. Which is, herpes is a, um, how do you get that? That's what I said. When the vet called me, I was like, but he's a virgin. It's not. It's like, you know how like there's a bigillion herpes viruses like chicken puffs? is a herpes virus like so this is a cold no it's a cold like a lot of street cats get it as kittens and it's like no issue until they get older and it's actually not contagious to other cats unless he's having a quote unquote outbreak which is a cold basically so like coughing sneezing and that comes and goes So I asked you a pretty simple question, and the answer was like four minutes long about the medication. Well, you, but like why would you, I mean, you knew that, right? That's why you selected this topic. It's because you knew we get, right, exactly. It's not like I thought I'd, I could have gone with the one word answer of no, but you seemed like you wanted me to expand. Was I reading that wrong? I think the audience needs. I don't know we were looking for one word answers. No, no, I was just. astonished by the full list of medication, which I don't think I had heard before all in a row. So I understand your argument about you would not take the Tom Brady approach and clone jeans. I don't know that I can have another pet period. Like, I don't know that I can do it. Emotionally or financially. I don't know that it's a good move for me emotionally or financially. So when Cheens goes, that might be it for the cats in your life ever? Until my kid starts begging me for one. All right. So that does make sense. Now, while you were giving the long list of medications, producer Christine. interjected in my ear from the other side of the glass wondering, and it's a controversial question, does Cheans want to be alive under these circumstances? Because if the answer is no, Christine knows a gal, namely herself. She knocks off pets left and right. So he does. So like that's the thing is he still is eating and he still is enjoying cuddling with me every night. Like we still snuggle. He runs up to me, nuzzles me. So like if he was.

like laying in a corner twitching and pooping everywhere then like yeah you know like there's certain things like he's still he's you know these medications i'm giving him because they give him a quality of life too like that's why it sounds like he does have a quality of life yeah he does he snuggling with you he's eating his food he runs up to me he snuggles me like he purrs all night long sleeping under my chin and like rubbing his head on my face like so for sure um um You know, but also if he did want to die, I don't think I would allow it anyway. Like I put him on a ventilator maybe. Are you going to have to take bereavement leave when this happens? You know, I don't think maybe I will. I have taken off a few days when he's needed me. um like he's had uh he had a seizure i'm just like trauma dumping on the air now he had a seizure maybe like a month ago and i took him in immediately so because i feel like he's been there for me through everything i've been through and now that he's you know at the end of his life i guess I, it's like, I owe it to him to be there for him. So for me, that's worth it to take that time off to be there for a family member who needs me. But when he's already dead, I mean, I'll just try to pull it together as much as I can. I feel like I won't tell people. I feel like I won't tell people for a while. I'll be like, oh, he's good because I like probably won't be able to talk about it for a while. Oh, so like you might tell a little white lie for your own process. I know. And you know I'm not a good liar, so I don't know how I'll do it. No. I'm really like a really bad liar. And it's not even really like a character strength so much as an impulse control issue. Like I can't. It's just much easier for me to say this is what's going on. Yeah, I think if I ask after Cheans in a couple months and you're like, he's great with a big fake smile. As your lip quivers, I'm like, oh, where do I send the flowers? I know. I mean, I just, it's going to be really hard. I don't know why anybody does this. Like, why do we get pets? It's like I was 21 years old and I was like, oh, kitty. I didn't think about myself being 37 and, you know, dealing with this. And very recently 37, right? Happy birthday. Thank you. I sent a little online wish to you. 37, I mean, let's face it, not the most exciting. No. I feel like if it's not a round, if it's not a zero or a five, probably, it's just kind of, to me, okay, my view on big birthdays are one. 10, 16, 18, 21, and then all the zeros from then on out. Does that, from there on out? Does that make sense? Yeah, I mean, I was really went hard for my 30th. I remember. Was that the one where you had a coffin? I threw my own funeral and I came out of a hearse in a coffin, yeah. Yeah. There were smoke machines in the back of the hearse.

It was great. So you better, how do you top that for 40? I don't know. I mean, I'm in a different place in life right now. Start planning now. Right, and by that point, you'll have what, like a three and a half year old? Oh my gosh, yes. Yes, I will. It may be another one, but I don't know. I mean, I don't know. Okay, so on the family planning front. I have a follow-up question, but I have to take a break. So let's take it. It is Guy Benson. It is the happy hour. It is Fridays with Cat. Cat Timp with us. Stay tuned. Always fresh. Always fair. Guy Benson. We have Cat Timp with us from our New York headquarters here on Guy Benson, Fridays with Cat. Right before the break, you made an illusion to maybe having an additional kid, maybe more. Okay, on that front, since we're just talking like friends here. Yeah. How will you make the determination? So for us, I think at some point we would love a second kid, and a lot of it is a process and out of our control and all of that. But like... To even really start to go down that road, we felt like we wanted to get our arms around the process of having one. Right. And the responsibilities and the routines. And the thing is, though, there's never, and this is what I'm learning, there's never really a time where suddenly you are comfortable with parenthood. And just when you think you've got something down, then the kid changes and gets older and the thing that you thought you had figured out is obsolete. So if we keep waiting. for a certain comfort level, then we might be waiting forever, right? So that's one of the conversations we are having. Yeah. And I wonder how you guys are doing with it. Well, for me, the conversation is way different because it's just about my body. It's about the year that my body has had. And how I've been in it and I'm not done. Like I want to get some nipples and then, like, enjoy. A little bit of time where nothing drastic or barbaric is happening to my body. So that's the additional conversation on top of also, yeah, like being a parent and da-da-da-da and what's going to do to add a second one in the mix. Just also as me as the person that has to grow the baby, I need a break. My body needs a break. So that's like the main consideration. There's also the other consideration of. I mean, the stuff that you got to do is like appointments. And like you have to like really decide. Things can just kind of happen. Yes. It's the whole natural way. Kind of what happened the first time. So, you know, I don't know. And I remember, by the way, this audience doesn't know this story unless they were at the event. You and I and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. were all together at a speaking engagement years ago. And somehow the prospect of having kids came up. I think Robert F. Kennedy Jr. had two at the time, and she has two daughters, one in high school, one in college.

You and I did not yet have kids, but we were talking about whether we might. And you were talking about that process. And you said, well, we might try this way, but we could also just try the sex way. The sex way. Yeah. And there was a gasp from our conservative audience. They were scandalized. It's scandalous to have sex with your own husband for procreation. Like I thought that was conservative. I thought that's pretty trad of me, actually, to get pregnant. It's pretty trad wife of me to get pregnant by my husband within wedlock and have the child. What did I do there that was not conservative? Yeah, maybe it was saying sex. I don't know. I got, I did sex. I did sex. I did sex with my husband. I got pregnant. I kept it. And then I gave birth. What part of that was not conservative? No, I support all of it. Isn't that what they tell you to do? Isn't that what the Bible says, be fruitful and multiply? All ye, hear ye, hear ye. See, can I get an amen? Can I get an amen? Amen. How are you sleeping? How are you sleeping? How are you sleeping? I'm just wondering. Trazidone and melatonin. Oh, yeah. So drugs is the answer to that. I'm getting it from a doctor. I'm not, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not like, I don't have like a tracadone guy. As, as the Bible intends. Yeah. I mean, I've had, like, I've had a year. I think that's fair. Like people talk about cancers being hard and postpartum being hard. Like I went into both of those on the same day. So like it's been a time. So I'm being kind as possible to myself. No, the reason I asked the question is because we had a home stretch earlier in the week where Christine was saying that she wants to start this. dark showering trend right before bed where you shower in the dark and go right to bed but it doesn't work until you slip and fall and have to go to the hospital so yep so that's point one injuries and point two she then goes straight into her bedroom and then sleeps quote unquote with the television on with volume yeah that's okay because she doesn't want to have the thoughts in her head right the thoughts a little frightened of the dark too no the thoughts for me and i really i fall asleep like i'll i listen to dateline Because I have to focus on the plot. So I'm like, who are these? Like I listen to the audio of Dateline so I can't see the people. So I'm like, I have to really pay attention. So the harder I have to pay attention to Dateline, the less I can think about the thoughts. Like thoughts about your existence? Like thoughts about, well, it depends. I mean, thoughts about my existence. Thoughts about whether or not the text message I sent was okay. Like thoughts about, like, you know, just the thoughts about what time is it if I don't fall asleep now? Very meta like that. You'd rather listen to like a deep voice describe a mysterious abduction in 1992. Right. Yeah, but it's like it's like a murder as presented for television, right? Like it's, you know, it's not like HBO murder. It's like, it's like network murder. So it's really not as graphic.

Late-night forensic files. You know that. Yeah, that's network murder. I'm not judging. Yeah, that's network murder. So, like, don't act like you don't know what I mean. Investigators made a startling discovery. Like it's FCC. you know, says this is okay murder to have. Right. It's compliant. Yes, compliant. So it's therefore falling asleep material. That's what I'm saying. Yes. Cat Tim Fox News contributor co-host of Gutfeld 10 p.m. That's a good one. There you go. You're welcome for the content. Yeah. You are very, very welcome. I'm going to send this to my agent. They can tune in 10 p.m. Eastern Time Fox News Channel by her book. I used to like you until. See her out on the road. She's on the road show back at it. Cat always love it. Thanks so much. New dates to be announced soon. Not announced now, but I'm booking a bunch of new stuff. All right. Yeah. Good. Well, stay tuned for that. And stay tuned for more of Guy Benson coming up right after this.

Not the same talking points here, but Guy Benson's show. Britt Hume, the chief political analyst here at Fox News, was our guest earlier in the program. We talked about a very busy news week in retrospect with him. Here's part of my conversation with Britt. I see that there are reports out there, including from the New York Times, that the Trump White House is now considering some exemptions on their tariffs, especially on food products, because the affordability issue is still biting for the American people. And while it was a boon to Republicans last year in the elections, it has now become an albatross for Republicans now that they are. the ruling party in 2025, and of course all eyes looking ahead to 2026, affordability politics, probably the name of the game. What do you make of the potential tariff pivot? Well, I think it's a sign that the Trump administration may now be facing up to the economic reality, which is that tariffs are tax. And one way or another, sooner or later, they all find their way into prices. And they don't lower them. They raise them. You know, tariffs used in some relatively modest way to pry open markets are one thing. But the tariffs on the scale that this president has imposed them are bound to affect prices and not for the better. And this administration is right to claim that the inflation that we're experiencing as a result of the policies of the Biden administration, especially the extravagant spending, reckless spending, that went on particularly early in that administration. They're right to say that that's what flooded the economy with money and... and drove up prices and inflated the currency. But they were expected to do something about it. They certainly weren't expected to have it become worse. Yeah, and they would argue the White House would, that they've made a lot of progress in certain areas, and they're opening up more drilling and energy production, and they want to build more... housing for people which would drive down the costs and the big beautiful bill had a lot of really good pro growth elements of it and prevented a giant tax increase across the board they have a story to tell a lot of it is good the thing is though brett it seems like the impatient public wants this fixed and wants it fixed yesterday and part of the issue that i i see here and i keep talking about is trump On one hand, you know, when he campaigned, he said, oh, well, we'll fix it all and we'll fix it quickly. It's very easy to fix. And then I think a lot of people hear that and say, okay, well, I hope he will come in and do it very quickly. He kind of put himself on something of a clock using those types of promises and that kind of rhetoric. And then you are absolutely right that this administration is totally justified in pointing out. how the last team left things in tatters for them. And the Democrats did all this inflationary spending. It's wild to me to see Democrats who are responsible for the high prices now complaining about them like, you know, they're just these bystanders. But rather than, in my view, systematically saying it's going to take a while, we are digging out. The last guys were extremely destructive and we're trying to unwind this thing and get things better. It seems to me that sometimes the president bristles.

at any suggestion that things aren't great right now, which kind of conflicts with the type of messaging that you're talking about, at least in a disciplined and consistent way. So I wonder sometimes if he's not doing himself some favors the way he talks about these things sometimes. Well, when people are complaining about something, and they are, and the evidence that they're concerned about these prices is showing up now in the most recent election returns, which are. which are small, but I think telling because they were across the country, it's a very bad political mistake to refuse to acknowledge that the people have a point. We saw that happen a little bit in earlier administrations. Biden administration, for example, was, you know, the member of inflation was supposed to be temporary, transitory, and it kind of never transited away, did it? And so this administration needs to take this seriously. And I think it's beginning to, and you're entirely right that there are measures that have been taken on energy production, for example, that have helped to drive prices down. People notice that at the gasoline pump. But I think what's really happening in part here, the guy, is that when food prices are climbing as they have and continue to, that is something that is no way that doesn't affect people and make them anxious, nervous, concerned, worried. Especially it's accompanied at a time when, for a combination of reasons, housing prices are rising, and people are definitely having trouble buying a home, particularly young people. Yeah, I mean, and Trump, to great effect last year on the campaign trail would talk about grocery prices. He did a big photo op at a grocery store where he had a bunch of items and then two price tags, one when he left office and won what it was last year. And invariably, all the prices had gone up. He blamed, not without reason, Democrats and the Biden team for doing that. And so now the question becomes, can he reverse course? Can he get this economy into a better place in enough time for the midterm elections? And maybe some of these changes on tariffs are a signal that it's a bow to that economic reality and nod to that that you're talking about. Maybe not a full surrender, but like, okay, we have to deal with results here. Because ultimately, how often do we say it, Britt, during the Biden administration where they would. ring their hands about their messaging problems on the economy. And we kept saying it's not a messaging problem. It is a substance problem. It is a reality problem. And they never really were able to deal with that. The Republicans cannot fall into that same trap here. Well, and they have to be careful what they pose as solutions, too. It is one thing to do take actions that might have the effect of getting prices under control or at least leveling them off. In certain areas, automobile fuel, for example, prices do go up and down. But in most areas, once prices go up, they tend to stay at that level, and kind of the best you can do is to prevent them from going higher if your policies are effective.

That full interview with Britt Hume available online at Guy Benson's show.com. Part of the free podcast every day, no charge at all, Guy Benson.com, Fox Newspodcast.com, or wherever you get your podcasts, don't forget about bonus Guy Benson on the weekends. When we come back, the home stretch, the end of an era in the United States of America. We'll talk about that as soon as we come back. It's Guy Benson happy hour. Same issues, but with a fresh perspective. Guy Benson. Home stretch Friday on Guy Benson. Happy Friday, everyone. I'll be off to special report in a few moments, joining that program in the next hour, Fox News Channel, as we get ready for the weekend here. Guy Benson.com, our website, podcast, always free, including Bonus Guy Benson on the weekends. It has been truly an unhinged week of home stretches. which means the bonus Guy Benson tomorrow is going to be a doozy. And as we enter into our final home stretch of the week, I have a question for Justin there up in New York. Is Cookie still at work? Because she started drinking last hour with our winemaker guests. And I'm just wondering if she has just perhaps taken off early. No, she's still here, worked in a way as hard as she always does. I do see an empty bottle of wine next to her. Is that because, you know, everyone that was here, a big group sampled at all, or did she hide one for herself? I can't answer that. I'm not at liberty, too. Oh, maybe she can. Christine, like, literally, literally can you answer that? I sure can. Oh, my gosh. I can answer that. Okay, what's the answer? I'm not sure. You're not sure if you drank the entire bottle? I did not. Obviously, I did not. I shared it with my new friends. Are they going to send you some wine by any chance? Yeah, and I think that they would like for me to come visit their vineyards. Oh, they really didn't meet you for very long, did they? No, no, no. Okay. I mean, I didn't even get to pitch Sturdygal yet. Oh, that's probably good for the very first meeting not to go with the hard sell. for your alcohol company. But maybe a subsequent meeting if you go visit them, Tennessee and or California, do I get any wine out of this? Or is it all cookie? Nope. I'm giving them your address and they're going to send you some wine. Oh, very good. Okay, well, that's wonderful. If you don't know what we're talking about, that was in the last hour. We had some winemakers here, part of the brand new Fox News Wine Club, and there's a Fox Nation program called Wine Nation starting today. So you can go back and listen to that interview on that aforementioned free podcast. Christine, I'm wondering if you are at all in mourning today because, as we mentioned right before the end of last segment,

It is the end of an era in the United States of America. Pennies are no longer being minted. The final penny has been created and that's it apparently for all time done. Are you sad about this? Are you a penny pinching gal? Are you going to miss the penny or is this long overdue? I think it was long overdue. I don't even know the last time I actually had a penny, you know, in my wallet, in my hand or used a penny. Do you guys use pennies? No, so I have a very dismissive view of change in general. I'll get to that in a moment. But I'm just surprised that you're not more nostalgic, honestly, about the penny. Why, guys? I was expecting a story like, you know, back in my day, a penny could get you a Sony pop. Or something like that. No? No. Guy, I'm not that, oh, I'm only three years older than you. Like after the, after the sock hop, we could go over and get a soda pop for a penny. No? No. No, no, no, no. No, I really do think. I was surprised. I didn't even know it was still in production. So, um. You just save a lot of money because creating the pennies, it's a loss endeavor, right, for the government. So it seems like a no-brainer to have put an end of this a long time ago. That's my view. I also am just going to go out there. Hot take, are you ready for this? I think they should just stop with dimes and nickels as well. I think I dislike the nickel more than the dime or even the penny. I just feel like quarters and above. That's it. If we must have change, quarters only, I think lower denominations of coins, I just, I have no time for it. It is interesting for people like you and I to look back in how much change was really important in our world growing up. Oh, yeah. I mean, just to make a phone call, for example, right, on pay phones. You were worried about quarters. And then sometimes you had to dig around like at a drive-through or you were looking for exact change somewhere. That was something that I certainly used to do. I just don't really use cash all that much anymore at all. So coins, it seems like even more of an anachronism. But I don't know. Some people seem to be very sad that the penny was going away. I don't really understand that fully. Yeah, I don't see a reason for people to be upset about it. I would say my view of change is whenever I see change, I do try to save it. Like we have a big piggy bank in our apartment whenever either of us have changed when we pay for something in cash and get a certain amount back. Put it in the piggy bank and in the end, you know, maybe once a year you bring that to the bank and maybe get a couple hundred bucks. You pay for a wedding. Yeah. Any little bit counts. By the way, I kind of teed that last bit up for Christine to respond. And then there was just some dead air. Did she pass out, Justin? Or is she still with us? I'm trying to keep the spear tying. You know what, guy? I don't want to be a radio hog. She'll let my coworkers talk too.

Okay, that's big of you. Now, I mentioned not using cash as much anymore. In fact, let me just quickly, let me open my own wallet and see if I have any cash in here. All right, I do. I have... I have $6 in cash in my wallet, which is actually more than I was expecting. Sometimes you need cash for certain things and like, you know, paying a babysitter or certain things it's useful. But overall, it's all cashless in my world, whether it's credit card transactions or... Zell or Venmo or whatever. And I saw a story from fortune.com that apparently Gen Z, it's not just a convenience thing for them. They actually have some sort of cultural hostility to cash, which they view as, quote, cringe, which I find strange. I don't think they would find it cringe if someone gave them a bunch of cash, cold hard cash. But what's cringe about using cash? I don't understand that. I think the convenience is why I don't use it as much anymore, but I don't really have an issue with cash. And there's a part of me that actually likes sometimes handling cash and paying it over. It just seems like more of a person-to-person. I don't know, transaction when I'm thanking a babysitter. It's like, oh, great job here. I'm going to count out the 20s instead of. Oh, what's your Venmo? I don't know. Maybe that's stupid nostalgia. That is millennial cringe. to these young whippersnappers. Christine, do you think it's cringe? Do you use cash on a regular basis or not really? I normally don't have cash on me because when I do have cash on me, I spend it pretty quickly. So I just... Do you have to... Quick follow-up question that came to mind. Do you have to use cash when you're buying your black market bootlegos Empic? Is that a cash-only dealer that you've got? No, no, no, no. That's a Venmo. Oh, okay. She accepts Venmo. Thank you for reminding me. I haven't called her in a while. Thank you for a good idea. Yeah. It's a very, very bad idea. Justin, you're in Gen C. Is it cringe to use cash? Definitely not cringe. I actually strive to be someone who carries cash often. I'm not typically that person. Ever since I got back from my bachelor party at a casino, I've had cash in my wallet, and I'm trying to make it last because... I just want to feel like, you know, hey, do you have any cash on you? Yeah, I do. Here it is. So, I don't know. I want to be that guy. I'm usually not. But at this current moment, I am. Dylan, also Gen Z. Cash. Cringe? I don't know if it's cringe. I would say it's inconvenient. I, if someone gives me cash, like. For whatever, an odd and in task, my first stop is going to the bank to deposit it. Like, I, I do not have cash. You don't use it? No.

No, because then, like, that's the issue is, like, I don't like having coin change. And, like, if I use my cash anywhere, I'm guaranteed to have coin change. And so, like, that inconvenience alone will lead me to stopping at the nearest Chase Bank and just depositing. See, I tend, if I'm going to use cash for a transaction, almost always there's a tip jar involved. Right? If I'm at some sort of business. And so if I get change, I will just slide every coin into the tip jar and keep the paper money alone. That's my overall approach. That's fair. That's fair. And if I am in an establishment like that, I will also do the same thing. But, you know, like, I don't know. I don't know why Old Navy was the first thing that popped into my head. But like if I'm shopping at Old Navy and I give them. 40 bucks or whatever. There's no tip jar. And then I've just got change. And I put it in my center console in my car. And then it just sits there. And then it just doesn't do anything for me. So I'm usually straight to the ATM when I get cash. Okay. Will you be mourning the demise of the penny? I will not be mourning the demise of a penny. I don't even know if I've ever used a penny for anything ever in my entire life, to be honest. By the way, and on that note, spoiler. on special report coming up next on Fox News Channel. It's Friday. So they asked us for our winners and losers of the week for the panel. And I actually had the penny and Abe Lincoln as my loser because they're no longer minting them. And I got an email back that one of the other panelists had already taken that one. and had apparently also taken my winner. How is that possible? What? So I have to scramble here and readjust and come up with a new winner and loser of the week right now because I'm joining Special Report in the next hour, FNC, with Shannon Bream sitting in for Brett. See you there. Back here on Guy Benson on Monday. Have a great weekend. Stay sane. Stay safe. We'll talk to you then. And I'm just wondering if she has just perhaps taken off early. Christine, like, literally, literally, can you answer that? I sure can. Oh, my God. I can answer that. Okay, what's the answer? I'm not sure. Listen to the show ad-free on Fox News Podcast Plus on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music with your prime membership, or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.