Our favorite "border czar" says she 'might' run for President in 2028

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From the heart of our nation's capital, Washington, D.C., backed by the trusted voices of Team Fox, a clear, fresh voice, cutting through the noise to tell the truth. It's Guy Benson with Guy Benson. Welcome to Guy Benson. I can promise you. It is. It will be a busy news day with Christine and Justin Harry Hurley filling in for Guy. We begin with a rather interesting Democrat political gathering. Many, it's not all because I think when this is all said and done, there may be twice the number that I'm about to share with you of potential year 2028. Democrat presidents for Democrat candidates for president because it's my belief that Democrats think that if they can win the Democrat nomination, they're going to be the next president of the United States. I think they have this figured out that they're just going to work over President Trump so bad, create such a toxic environment. that the American people will just be begging, make it stop, make it stop. And I think it's a miscalculation, but I think that's their play. So it's not going to be eight candidates on the Democrat side running, which pretty much that's what it looks like right now. It's going to be many more than that. So it's early. It's not even the midterm yet. But you know, everything. It's a perpetual campaign. It never stops. The second the election is over, you've seen it, where they'll light up, decision 2024. The second that decision 2024 is over. Decision 2028. I mean, not even a minute after the election results are announced. So they're already big time. And when they tell you, like when a governor, Wes Moore, and he's an elegant guy, very eloquent as well, a lot of people compare him to Barack Obama. And I'm not even saying that because of race or anything else. Just there's people that do that, that compare him to that. Interesting guy, good looking guy, good temperament, you know, appears to be reasonable. You know, he's gotten a little bit crazy because you can tell he wants to be president. So this lunge to the hardest left we've ever seen is what Democrats are doing. And let me prove it. Ro Khanna, who you see on the Fox News channel quite a bit, always sounding very reasonable and moderate. Have you noticed? That just a little while ago, he has now jumped in to the hard left crowd. The same M.O. that they all do, all Trump, all the time. And it's just predictable because they know if you want to be the Democrat nominee, this is where I think of Josh Shapiro, you would think he has a great chance. He is not.

left of center enough for them. He does govern very left of center, but he speaks very moderately. That's not what the Democrat primary voters want. Why do you think Gavin Newsom? Now, remember, I'm going to give you eight names, and Gavin Newsom isn't one of them. at the moment. He's definitely running, though. So this number is going to be big on the Democrat side. But if you want to treat what I'm about to say, and I think this is not an opinion, it's a fact, the Reverend Al Sharpton event of his National Action Network that brought out these eight candidates so far, former Vice President Kamala Harris, former Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg. I thought he was a weak mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and I thought he was even a weaker cabinet secretary, but he fancies himself that he could win the nomination. And the crazy thing is he might be able to, which doesn't speak well for the caliber of their candidates. Governor Josh Shapiro. I mentioned Governor Wes Moore. Governor J.B. Pritzker. Governor Andy Beshear. Notice the position of governor because it's a chief executive position. is a great launching pad. Governor Reagan becomes President Reagan. Other than really general or vice president, governor is the best title in American history, 250 years to become president. Senator Mark Kelly, Congressman Ro Khanna. So they're all at what they call the NAN Conference, the National Action Network, Reverend Al Sharpton Gathering. This is going to be revealing, but I do believe it's open to interpretation. Some of the comments from former vice president, Kamala Harris, leave you with either the impression, well, she's absolutely all in, or leaves you with the impression that maybe she's being coy, maybe she's not running. But when you were vice president and you wanted to be president and you lost the election for president, if you have another chance, it's very, very rare. She's young, very rare that somebody would not give it another go. President Trump did not agree, didn't like what happened in 2020. He ran again in 2024. Richard Nixon didn't like what happened in 1960. He ran again in 1968. There are many examples of people that gave it a go. It didn't happen. And they try to give it another go because they see themselves. They look in the mirror and they say, I am the president. So take a listen to this. And I think it is rather illuminating. Justin, cut four. So are you going to run again in 28? So, okay, you know, I tried to be subtle, but I just figured I'd go right at. Well, that's as subtle as Reverend Al Sharpton could ever be. We love you for many things, but not being subtle. Listen, I might. I might.

I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. But let me say this. Let me say this. I am thinking about it. But let me also say this. Look, I served for four years being a heartbeat away from the presidency of the United States. Countless hours in my West Wing office footsteps away from the Oval Office. I spent countless hours in the Oval Office and the Situation Room. I know what the job is. And I know what it requires. Well, that sounded like a candidate, didn't it? You got the usual Kamala Harris with the, just say the unusual accents. Because that's not really, some of that was not how she typically speaks. But they have this chameleon kind of thing. And of course, she sounded like a candidate to me with that annoying cadence that she brought out. So you got it all right there. Seems to me that she's going to run. And I think she's also calculating that it's going to be a very big field. and that she has out of a large field, I think she believes that she has a very, very good chance. And even if she had a stumble early, she probably believes with the change that they did, and a lot of people, if you remember, didn't like it very much when South Carolina was moved up in the Democrat primary. You know, there's an order to things and people like their traditions and things and to help Joe Biden. And Congressman Jim Clyburn saved Joe Biden's Democrat primary of 2020. There's no question about it. And remember, Kamala Harris didn't even make it into the year 2020. She was out in 2019. Very, very poor performer. I think the greatest performance she ever had. was the race for president, and that is because it was truncated. It was a very short window. You know, there are people, including Harris, that say, hey, I only had, whatever it was, 107 days or whatever the book title is. I only had this many days. Yeah, that was a blessing. Less is more with Kamala Harris. I contend if she had even less time. She would have done better than she did. So she's never been good when it comes to the long haul, something to keep an eye on. Let's see what our former vice president had to say about some of the other important issues of the day, certainly the war with Iran. Justin cut three. He's now pointing fingers. at these friends of ours who don't want to go along with his war of choice. And I've mentioned all of this to say, two things in particular, which keeps me up at night, frankly, as your former Vice President of the United States. And it is this. America has increasingly under Donald Trump become more unreliable.

As a partner to our friends, and America has increasingly, second point, lost influence. So when we otherwise could say, you know, in ex-country, we're concerned about human rights violations, even if it did not directly affect our national security, we had some level of authority to speak about these things. in a way that we had earned the ability of people to listen and pay attention and maybe try to do better. We have become more unreliable under this man, and we are losing influence. I'm going to say to these two answers that she's going to be a candidate, and I'm going to tell you why. The usual Kamala Harris you get. That's not rehearsed is word salads, repetitive, circular, convoluted type phrases, and awkward and nonsensical stuff. unburdened by what has been. You know what I'm talking about. Things like that. Again and again and again, very unsurious things. This sounds to me like someone that is committed to memory a handful of things that she wants to say that are to appear substance-oriented and not like what I had just talked about, the word salad stuff on NATO. Because you know that President Trump is very displeased with NATO. NATO is supposed to be one for all, all for one. That certainly has not been the case. Now, the NATO Secretary General, Routé, has been incredibly supportive of President Trump. They have a great relationship. NATO, not so much. Here's what Kamala Harris said to Reverend Sharpton at the event. Justin Cutt, too. So he enters into this war. A war of choice. Remember, the man said, the man said he got rid of their nuclear arsenal. Obliterated it, he said. You know how he likes to use those kind of words? Obliterated it. Which is not an ambiguous term. That means you took it out. Well, evidently he didn't do that.

He is causing U.S. service members, 13 to have lost their lives, hundreds, it is estimated, of others, to be injured some very seriously, putting U.S. service members at risk. Abandoning alliances. He's been pointing fingers at NATO. Right? So understand what that is. Those are our friends of ours that we have had. And that bond formed mostly out of what happened in the 1930s, again post-World War II. Under our administration, we expanded NATO. We brought two more countries in. Sounds like a candidate for president, doesn't it? When we come back. Let's take a listen to some of the other would-be Democrat nominees like J.B. Pritzker, Moore, Josh Shapiro, as we continue more of Guy Benson right after this. Filling in for Guy Benson, it's Harry Hurley. This episode is brought to you by San Pellegrino Chau. A gift from Italy to your home. San Pellegrino Chow is a flavored sparkling water made with real fruit juice, finished with a pinch of Sicilian salt for a perfectly balanced taste. So which flavor will you choose? Peach, lime, blood orange, cherry, or maybe the all-new limoncello. Crafted in Italy with zero grams of added sugar, San Pellegrino Chow. Buy it now.

Welcome back to Guy Benson with Christine and Justin, Harry Hurley, filling in for Guy. So excited. We're not going to do the segment now, but so excited about Artemis II and our crew on the Orion capsule. Scheduled to splash down at 807 p.m. Eastern Standard Time tonight in the Pacific Ocean near, as Ron Burgundy would say, San Diego. So so excited for this. I've been a huge, huge fan. We'll talk to Griff Jenkins and just a little bit about that. Governor J.B. Pritzker, he was there at the National Ashton Network, Reverend Al Sharpton event. He's running for president. He's running for governor, but make no mistake about it, he's really running for president. Justin Cut 17. The agenda is going to lead to a Democrat, you say, in the White House in 28. Are you going to be that Democrat? I feel like I'm on Price is right. People are yelling out the answer, you know. Look, we have a pretty good bench. In fact, you've invited so many of them to come right here and they've been on this stage or they're going to be. So that's my answer. My answer is, I don't know what I'll be doing after. I hope I win re-election after, but I can tell you this. I'm going to fight like hell to elect a Democrat in 2008. Obviouscation there, Mr. Governor. Not to be outdone. Governor Wes Moore of Maryland, Justin Cutt 18. So what are we going to do in 28? I set you up on that one. You sure did. I got 278 days left in my first term as governor. And by the way, I'm going back to the people of Maryland in November because I'm going to run this thing back. Anyone and any of these people who are thinking about 2028, I need to see that you're taking 2026 seriously. I don't want to hear what it could have should us. I don't want to hear, well, what I would have done is not while our people are hurting like this. I want to see action. As he's running for president in 2028, that's rich, isn't it? That is amazing. That's hypocrisy on steroids times infinity. Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, cut 19, Justin. Just me and you talk. Just you and me. Yeah. You run of re-election, and if you were re-elected, are you considering running for president? Just you and me. Just you. Just between us. Look, we have, I think, some incredibly talented folks in the Democratic Party. And what I think we are poised to do if we have this national referendum in the midterms. And if people show up in record numbers. We have an opportunity to have a real debate within our party about what we stand for, about what our affirmative vision is, which can't just be about banging Donald Trump every day. It has to be about what we are going to do to make people's lives better. That was a lot of fun. That was our way too early, Guy Benson, look at some of the upper-tier candidates on the Democrat side who are undoubtedly already.

running for president before even the midterm election of 2026. That's pretty amazing. Griff Jenkins from Fox News, co-hosts of Fox and Friends weekend, joins the program next. They call this one Bill. What, aliens? Am I in a spaceship? Affirmative bill. What's with the laser sign? An Xfinity mobile transmission says you can cut your bill in half. Oh, your mobile bill, not me, Bill. Exfinity Internet members, cut your mobile bill in half. Plus try Xfinity Mobile free for a year. No commitment. Learn more at XfinityMobile.com. Restrictions apply. Savings compares one line of Xfinity Mobile Select to comparable plans from T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T as of 324-26. Taxes fees extra. $30 monthly discount limited to new mobile customers only. After 12 months, regular rates apply. Filling in for Guy Benson, here's Harry Hurley. Welcome to Guy Benson with Christine and Justin. It is my pleasure to fill in for the great Guy Benson. My name is Harry Hurley. And on Guy Benson, Newsmaker Hotline, he and I have been friends for, I guess, close to 35, 40 years. Griff Jenkins, but you're a young man. We were infants. We were toddlers when we first met. So you were a very young man. Griff Jenkins is one of the truly classy, nice. good people you will ever meet in this business the co-host of fox and friends weekend you can follow all things griff jenkins at Griff Jenkins. Griff, welcome to Guy Benson. There's nothing better on a Friday afternoon than talking to my friend Harry Hurley. I appreciate those kind words. Check us in the mail. Griff, I got to tell you, so proud of you. Love watching you every weekend and because obviously we're humans and we take days off. So you're there during the week as well, quite a bit on Fox and Friends. So I'm watching you all the time, Griff, and just love how you represent. the brand. You know, I'll tell you, Harry, since I took this weekend gig, I've noticed that there's no shortage of Saturday and Sunday massive news stories. I mean, it's like it was a weekend when we went into Venezuela and grabbed Maduro. It was a weekend back last summer when we did Midnight Hammer. It was a weekend when we did the most daring combat search and rescue mission to save our two pilots down in Iran. It's great. I tell you, the weekend is becoming the news. ground zero for breaking news and i'm going to tell you what i think part of that is obviously we are seven days a week 24 seven so it never shuts off speed of life but we're all operating whether people listening love hate like dislike president trump my former boss We are living at the speed of Trump. I mean, his pace is unbelievable. He never shuts down, so the weekends are not sleepy. It's like one day, one continuous day, Griff, that...

doesn't end. Yeah. And, you know, that's exactly right. You put it perfectly, Harry, it is the speed of Trump. And I love, I just saw yesterday some Democrat member of Congress was saying, we've got to invoke the 25th Amendment because he's got clear signs of dementia. I'm like, look, brother, you can sling a lot of criticisms at him, maybe some of them fair criticisms. But one thing is for sure that man's got the stamina of a 25-year-old and he ain't got dementia. No, it's so unfair. And you know what's also blatantly, brutally, brutally. intellectually dishonest about that. This is coming from people who knew that there was a problem with President Biden and covered for him. Yeah. Yeah, and, you know, you think about literally the four years of under just Biden, and it does go back, by the way, to decades of previous U.S. presidents, particularly under Biden, how much Iran was clearly able to advance their nuclear program, enriched uranium, and build a unbelievable stockpile of missiles, some of which we had never known could go as far as they could. So, you know, this is the president. As I've said, this is the first president that's actually been willing to confront Iran. directly because of the present threat of 47 years and willing to back it up with hard power yeah and you know what also is unfair and that's very well said griff jenkins visiting on Guy Benson here's something else that's very unfair these bad actors in the democrat legacy media that know that what they're saying to their viewers and their listeners is not true when they say this is a quagmire as you have said very eloquently on your show and this was even before we got to day 40 this is when it was a couple of weeks into it or the first 30 days into it we've degraded iran something like more than 90 percent to call that a quagmire and a failure and that Iran is winning. Talk about propaganda for the enemy. This is awful to watch. Yeah, you're right. 90% of their military industrial base factories wiped out. Their entire Navy is at the bottom of the sea. This is an undeniable tactical military victory, one of which the war colleges at Annapolis and West Point will study for years. But, you know, you talk about the legacy media trying to paint it as an absolute failure. Even aside from the undeniable tactical victory, I saw a headline yesterday, Harry, that was NBC News saying the U.S. has spent 28 billion so far in the war in Iran. What else could that money have been spent? That's a true headline in it they go into. Well, it could have paid for daycare for 2 million Americans for up to a year and rent for however many a million Americans. And I thought to myself, oh, that's interesting. How many headlines like that about what money could have. been spent on instead under the Biden years when we gave $200 billion to Ukraine. And I'll double down on you. I'll second that emotion and double down on you.

If Iran had been left unfettered as seven presidents before President Trump allowed to happen, they were very close to an intercontinental ballistic missile, and you were very studied on this. You know better than I, but I also know that the only thing you put at the tip of an intercontinental ballistic missile is a nuke, and they would have had a missile that would have reached America, and we know that they had enough uranium enriched. You don't have to be, as you know, you don't have to be at 100%. No. sort of medical and and other purposes below a certain percentage over 60 some percentile you can do a nuke so they were on their way big time so all those other you know nithering nabobs that are saying oh my god we could have spent that on you know going to the beach you know uh if there's no country left, that wouldn't matter too much. Would it griff? No, it wouldn't. And what we learned was that Iran, by their own word, said that they would not build a missile that could go more than 2,500 kilometers. We now know they could go 4,000 because they hit near Diego Garcia. And that's pretty much incorporating, that puts every European capital within their target range. But, you know, those naysayers, at the end of the day, they are ultimately equating themselves to the argument that, Well, even if Iran had missiles that could go that far and they could put some enriched uranium up to 60% or more, they're not going to do it. And if you think that, I have got a bridge to sell you because they are, as people have described them, a messianic death cold built on one thing, and that is death to America. Fox and France for almost 50 years, they have said death to America. And no one's really done too much about that, except in some cases, as you know, give them billions of dollars. There's a reason they're the world's largest sponsor of terrorism. just in the previous two presidencies before Trump, the split terms, with Biden, Obama, or Obama Biden, and then Biden, they got over $10 billion and probably a lot more than that to sponsor terrorism. We are visiting, and he's in studio, Griff Jenkins, Fox and Friends, weekend co-host. Here's my thought, and I want to get your take on this because this is very important going forward. Iran, obviously, very dishonest. They never keep their word. That's why I never was in favor of any of those treaties that were done, because all it did was give Iran billions of dollars, allow them to continue their weapon program and enrichment of uranium programs. And we kept our word. They didn't keep their word. So now here we go. We have a ceasefire. But, oh, by the way, you have to keep the Strait of Hormuz open. But they're really not, Griff. We've gotten a few ships through. So the President Trump has really gone heavy on that today, as you know. We can talk a little bit about that. But they never keep their word. So a ceasefire to them, it's almost like when Israel is creaming Hamas and Hamas wants a ceasefire. They don't want it for any useful, good, you know, normal, you know, healthy reason. They want it just to be able to get up off the mat to be able to reconstitute and come out Israel again. So the fact that Iran never keeps its word, how do you, I know that JD Vance and Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, they're going to be Islamabad tomorrow to do this.

negotiation. How do you negotiate with people that their word is 100% no good? Well, it's a great point, Harry, and I think we don't know that they will, but I will say this, because when they say, when you say they have never kept their word, they have never negotiated in good faith, they are liars. They, by the way, are gone. The leaders of Iran from the Ayatollah to the entire leadership structure of the IRC and elsewhere have been killed. dead. And I liken this to, if you think of Iran as a Fortune 500 company and it's been around for 47 years, overnight, the CEO, the CFO, the entire executive team, the head of HR, all gone. That means what's left and low-level managers are stepping in the void of this company. And this company can continue, but it has the most existential threat facing it and the most important decision they have to make, which is, Will they actually for the first time decide to negotiate in good faith and help the U.S. achieve their goals, which are very clear at this point, which is a resolution to the nuclear threat to remove it and also now the opening of the Strait of Hormuz. And I would tell you that is a victory already for President Trump that he was able to compel. Those that have lied for 47 years to actually come to the table, whether or not they decide to actually negotiate in good faith is on them. That's their choice. And we don't know what's going to happen, but it's the first time President Trump has compelled the leaders with a new leadership team with an actual option. And I think people like Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, who is the Iranian Speaker of Parliament there, he's stepping in thinking, man, we've got to really, we bought time with the ceasefire. We've really got to think about what the decision. we make here. Let's see what you think about this, because what you just said was very persuasive, and it's undeniably true, especially what you mentioned about the big win that President Trump is getting at the Strait of Hormuz, because obviously that's very important, 20% of the world's supply, and we could go on and on about why that is important, and there's $2 million per vessel, a dollar per barrels. Now we all know that there's two million barrels on these tankers, but... Whether this Mosheb Khomeini is well enough to even be running the show is still unknown. We've never seen them. We don't hear him. We just hear these written things that are made, and it's supposed to be coming from him. But isn't it in Iran, and you would know this better than most, Griff Jenkins, isn't it really the Revolutionary Guard that's running the show? Whoever is controlling their military. they're really running the show, aren't they? I think that's right. And you have a good point, Harry, about Mostama Ali Khamenei. We don't even know that he's actually alive. And there's no doubt that there is some remnant of IRGC that's really running the show. But the IRGC leaders have really been decimated. And from a that when I talk about the undeniable tactical military success, part of that is that we have. undeniably destroyed their commanding control. And commanding control is not only the leadership of the RGC, but it's their ability to broadcast coordination with their troops and their missile launchers and their entities across the country. Now, we saw that they could mobilize because they put up a fight, make no mistake, in trying to close in on when we were rescuing the second airman, that weapon systems officer. But that was a reaction. They were reacting to something.

the commanding control has been wiped out. And so that control is really quite, whether or not the IRGC is totally in charge. Being in charge isn't necessarily a tangible, functional, smooth operation by any stretch of the means. Two-minute drill with Griff Jenkins because he does have another appointment. After all, he is Griff Jenkins. So this is no surprise that you would be going from one important appointment to another. No, cutlow. Yeah, exactly. In our two-minute drill, let's get the best of Griff Jenkins on the mission of Artemis II. For the listeners of Guy Benson that don't know, the Artemis 2 crew in the Orion capsule scheduled to splash down in just a little bit, 8.07 p.m. That's Eastern time in the Pacific Ocean near San Diego. I think this mission has been incredible. I think it's incredibly important. It reminds me of Apollo 8 because we had to get there to then get ready for the next mission where we would actually land. on the moon so i think it's huge what's your take Goose bumps ran of both of my arms as you were talking about that. I am so damn proud. Let me tell you, Harry, when President Trump was talking to the astronauts, when they had that back and forth and we were watching, you could see inside Orion. You saw the astronauts talking to the president, but then above was an American flag and a Canadian flag. One of them is Canadian, the astronauts. But then below that was the America 250. And looking at it, it just dawned on me as a kid. And you were old and... as well, Harry. We grew up, you know, very aware of the man on the moon. But then it died. Then it went away for a long time. And America didn't care. But that I grew up with such admiration that that made a difference in the world. And now we see history being made again. It's a reminder that we are the most powerful, greatest country on the planet. We dream big and we never stop shooting for the stars. We're making history. And by the way, Christina Cook, that astronaut in there, she is a surfer. So when she splashes down in San Diego, I hope she can find a great break and shred some waves. And she's an Eagles and Phillies fan. Yeah, I kind of hold that against her as a commander's fan. But I'll look past that since she's a surfer. Griff, you are the best. And if you look at the clock, I kept my word. Thank you, Harry. I would stay longer because it is always great to be with you. You do such a great job, my friend. Have a wonderful weekend. Keep up and have a great weekend. Big important weekend you're going to have. Thanks, Griff. All right, Harry, see you, buddy. Great to be with you. That's Griff Jenkins co-host of Fox and Friends. weekend. Follow Griff at Griff Jenkins. Two F's in Griff Jenkins. And we'll be right back. When we come back, Todd Blanche.

on his official first day had quite a day in terms of putting his stamp on the office of attorney general it almost looks like he would like to remove i'm not trying to make any news here but it almost looks like he'd like to remove acting uh from his title he is not behaving like someone that's leaving soon uh i'll give you the uh official first day of Todd Blanche on the job as acting Attorney General next on Guy Benson. Filling in for Guy Benson, it's Harry Hurley. On July 16th, The Hawk lands on Netflix. From the mind of Will Farrell. Oh, Mama, I'm back. Come in a new original series. Get ready, get ready. That's it. Did I stutter? When an iconic pro golfer. Lonnie? Hockey! Takes one last swing at greatness. You were a big shot golfer. I still am a big shot golfer. No one. Dad, I'm the Hawk now. We'll stand in his way. That's how it's done. The Hawk, only on Netflix, July 16th.

Welcome back to Guy Benson with Christine and with Justin. I'm Harry Hurley and it is my honor and my privilege to fill in today for Guy Benson. Todd Blanche is off and running. First official day and he is putting his stamp. It's very smart too. I want to make it clear. I don't ever like any, and this is not anything that Todd Blanche is doing. I don't like it when someone who's a really good person who did a very good job in an almost thankless position gets trashed on the way out. Pam Bondi. is a great lawyer. She was a great attorney general in Florida, and she was a great attorney general. It is a tough job. You've got the other side that doesn't want to give you an inch, not any chance at all to succeed and always doing stuff to undermine you. So I think, and no one has definitively said this, but I think a lot of people think it. And when I say no one said it, no one official has said it. I think the Jeffrey Epstein thing, when the former attorney general made the statement that we're going to, you know, release all the files, and then it was like, hey, there are no files. It just really got people believing that. You know, she wasn't telling the truth. And then that caused a lot of certainly consternation and such. Todd Blanche today sent memos that praised Pam Bondi for her service, which I think is the absolute right thing to do. That's why I started there. He talked about what the mission is. Of course, it's to support President Trump and the promise of a safe America. He talked about staff changes. He talked about relocation. They're going to be moving the Attorney General's office next Monday. So that's going to be happening. And the focus on fraud. Got to jump for just a little bit. Don't go away. Much more on a busy newsday. It is Guy Benson. Carrie Severino. We'll join us next. Stay with us.

Need a laptop that's built to perform and designed to last all day? Select Windows 11 PCs starting at 49999 are now at Best Buy. Learn more at Best Buy.com. Best Buy. Imagine that. Generation of Conservative Talk. Right here, right now. Fair, fun, and backed by the trusted voices and reporting resources of Fox News. Fox News. You're listening to Guy Benson. And now here's your host, Guy Benson. Welcome to Guy Benson with Christine and Justin. My name is Harry Hurley. It is an honor to fill in for Guy today on a very, very busy newsday. I really do consider this a privilege to present. Carrie Severino. Let me just take a moment because Carrie is right now on Guy Benson Newsmaker Hotline. I'm a big fan. Carrie is the president of JCP, co-author with Molly Hemingway, who you hear from quite regularly here on Guy Benson, their bestselling book, Justice on Trial, the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation and the future of the court. just an absolute go-to person when it comes to all things legal system confirmation process and also my favorite associate justice and carry now knows this is Clarence Thomas because i've just told her this uh... and she clerked for associate justice of the supreme court Clarence Thomas carrie welcome to Guy Benson Great to be here, Harry. And thanks for the great words about my former boss. I think he's amazing. I do too. And I have this bad feeling that I guess at some point he's going to have to retire. And that'll be a big loss for America. That will be a big loss for the court. I kind of sense like that could happen during President Trump's term. I don't know what you think about that comment. Yeah, I mean, he hasn't shown indications of wanting to retire yet. I'm just really grateful to be able to watch the trajectory of his career from being the minority all the time, you know, always in this narrow minority with Justice Scalia. And, you know, Justice Scalia didn't get to live to see the court changed so much. But it's so cool that Thomas has seen those. One and two person minority opinions in so many cases now turn into the majority of the court. We've got a majority of originalists on the court. Couldn't be a better place right now. And it makes them want to stay. I mean, because if it was the other way and you're banging your head against the wall, it's bad, you know.

decisions, you know, it's tough to come every day and come to work. But we're on the same wavelength, because I kid you not, Carrie, I was going to bring him Antonin Scalia. And this is how I want to bring him into our segment together. As you know, and I want all of guys' listeners to know, there was a time when something like Antonin Scalia and RB, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, they, from an ideology standpoint, I mean, they were Not always, but largely, almost always, polar opposites. However, they loved each other. They were friends. They vacationed together. We don't have that collegiality anymore, Carrie. You know, and it's... Hard to know exactly what's going on behind the scenes at the court because a lot of this does. But Justice Scalia in Ginsburg worked. It was obvious even at the time. You know, this isn't asking them about indoor conversations that are happening in the secrecy of the justice conference chambers. They just were famously great friends. I hope that I think all the justices recognize you're there for life. You want it. You want to be collegial and get along. But I don't think we'll. We may ever see another friendship that's as close as Scalia and Ginsburg's. And every once in a while, you do get them even kind of making sniping remarks at each other in public, which is unfortunate. I mean, and think about that. they would work for the whole session together. So that's obviously a very close situation when you're working together like this during every, you know, session of the Supreme Court. And then touring their time off to vacation together, really, it requires no further explanation. It was genuine. It was real. And it's really, it just speaks well of both of them that they could have a completely different philosophy, if you will, judicially. And yet... be very, very good friends. We've lost that for the most part. There is still some of it, but it's fleeting and it certainly is rare. And here, let me give you an example, because you said a moment ago, Carrie, well, you know, we don't know what goes on behind closed door. Yeah, but we know what goes on in public. You have Associate Justice Sotomayor trashing a fellow associate justice. We didn't used to hear that kind of stuff. Yeah, I think that justices historically have been really careful not to name names, even and sometimes obviously opinions. And boy, justice. Scalia himself did not mince words in his opinions, often his dissents, criticizing his fellow justices when he thought they were kind of off the rails. However, I do think Justice Sotomayor's words recently about Brett Kavanaugh were kind of disrespectful. She was criticizing an opinion that he had that allowed the government to continue deportation actions and didn't block them. And she basically said,

I think this is because Brett Kavanaugh doesn't really know any poor people and he grew up, you know, as a child of professionals and he doesn't understand what it's like for someone who's a, having it down on their luck and things like that. Boy, that was, I thought, so, first of all, the wrong standard in the case because it's not about do I like this person, do I sympathize with them, et cetera. But it also, it just seems like she was really. profiling him so much of just just like you wouldn't want to profile someone because they came from a tough background you don't want to profile someone because his parents were professional i mean it's not not that's not his fault and that shouldn't be a reason to judge him um as being you know a poor Hey, Harry, that was a scary comment. I mean, judgmental, like, if I were to try to find a word to describe it, judgmental would be kind to assume that he could not relate to anyone else. I mean, this is, that's madness. And it's so funny, I mean, in some ways, it shouldn't be surprising because when Justice Sotomayor was selected for the court, President Obama had a standard that was very controversial and pillory at the time called the empathy standard, where he said, you know, that law doesn't get you all the way there, and I want someone who can empathize with people in different positions for my... justice in the Supreme Court. Well, people very rightly took him to task and said, this is not the way to choose a judge. You want judges who are basing things in the law, not which party do I have most empathy for. And significantly, even Justice Sotomayor herself, it was so toxic, it's standard, that she had to repudiate it in her own confirmation hearings. She said, no, no, no, judges can't rely on what's in their heart. It's not the heart that compels conclusions in cases to law. Well, Those are your words, Justice Sotomayor. And that's the standard that I think, you know, if she's applying that standard, absolutely that's the standard that Brett Kavanaugh has been applying for his entire judicial career. And that's the standard he was being chosen for of looking at the law first, not looking at empathy. Great stuff. Carrie Severino, president of JCN, our distinguished guest. this half hour on Guy Benson. Let me bring up this birthright citizenship case because I am mindful that a lot of smart people, a lot smarter than I am, have always told me, don't judge anything on the questions that the justices ask because they may just be asking questions that they may disagree with their own question. They just want to get answers on certain things. So don't base it on what you hear. However, and with the president of the United States, I guess he was there for about. an hour and a half my former boss wasn't very pleased uh... i don't think the oral arguments went very well for the government carry and this birthright citizenship case if it comes out in late june or early july i i think that uh... the president's executive order is not going to stand it seemed almost self-evident that that that the entire court basically may be with the exceptions of Samuel Alito the most

Clarence Thomas, maybe the second most. I think this is coming down like a seven-two decision, your thoughts. That sounds right to me from hearing the arguments. You know, I thought Solicitor General John Sauer did a great job defending the executive order. He had an uphill battle to a certain extent just because of the amount of time people have assumed the 14th Amendment means one thing, right? I think they have really strong historical arguments behind them. I do too. This is actually not what it should have meant. That said, that's always going to be an uphill argument when you've got the weight of, you know, 150 years of we've been thinking it means X or acting as if it means X. And I agree with you, listening to the oral arguments, I don't think, well, I thought he had really good answers to a lot of these things. It seemed to me, you can't, at the end of the date, can you count to five? You need five votes to win a case. Right. And I didn't, I didn't either. But, you know, I think it's also possible. Why is it, it seems obvious to me, but I'm a non-lawyer, full disclosure. But it seemed obvious to me that the 14th Amendment was about slaves. worried about the fact that their very children might not have freedom, that something needed to be codified. It seemed all based on that, not that someone who shouldn't be here to begin with could have a child, and then automatically that child would be a natural-born American. How do they leap to that? I know there's that case that they kept citing, but even that didn't seem to apply. How is this going the way that it seems to be going? Well, definitely, I mean, the Wong-Kim-Art case, it does not cover this. It's not on all fours with what's happening here. It was not talking about a child of illegal immigrants, but I think the language in it seems to reflect a broader view of that. I think the court absolutely could have, even without overrolling Wong-Kam-Ark could have said actually the original meaning is something more narrow. Everyone on both sides of the case agrees. The core of the 14th Amendment. was doing exactly what you said. We want to make sure that the freed slaves and their children are absolutely granted citizenship. And they needed to do that because there were a whole lot of states trying to block them from having citizenship or the full rights of citizenship at the time. So this is clearly the central point. I think the language really can be understood in a broad enough way to encompass what the president is trying to do here. But again, I think there, the court, is the court going to get there? I don't know. There could come down. You know, there's a statute involved here, too, that uses the same language. But at the time it was passed, since everyone understood the 14th Amendment to grant birthright citizenship, I think the court could say, well, look. We're not even going to fully decide what the 14th Amendment says, but we've got this statute here. We have to interpret the statute as they would have understood those words. And so just on a statutory basis, the president can't do this. If they decided to have a decision like that, I could imagine Congress could go back now, get Congress to do anything. It's not an easy thing. But they could go back and amend that statute and say, hey.

Congress has a role. The Fortune Amendment gives them a role in trying to bring into effect what it's doing there. So they have a role and they could say, you know what, we want to make sure that this language is defined as we understood it to have been meant in 1865. Let's let's. correct this and then you could bring another case and i think that would that could allow this to the court to consider it more clearly on the 14th amendment thing it really depends on how they write the case we'll we'll just have to wait and find out We're visiting with Carrie Severino, president of JCP, right here live, on Guy Benson. I'm not pressing on the Clarence Thomas factor, whether he's staying for years or leaving during President Trump's current term. But I think there are people that are looking at the fact that the Republicans have the Senate. And likely after the midterm election, they will still have the Senate. The House is another question. But the Senate, I think, might lose a seat or so. But I think they'll likely, comfortably still be 52-48, whatever, in the majority, maybe keep the same number they have now. But as you know, they only need 50 if they can keep it all together. And Vice President JD Vance could break a tie. Do you think there will be sort of a push? to some extent. I know that's always very touchy. Ruth Bader Ginsburg. There was a lot of pressure applied. You know, the Democrats felt that she should leave, and then, of course, she passed away, and we know how that all went. They didn't get a replacement that was ideologically lined up with Ruth Bader Ginsburg. It was a big move for the court when that happened. Do you think one or two nominations will come about? during President Trump's second term? You know, if anybody's guess, I haven't seen evidence that those justices are considering retire. I mean, it's Samuel Alito and Thomas that normally get brought out the most simply because they're the elder statesman on the court right now. They're the older justices. But I haven't seen evidence that that's... going to happen, but it definitely is a possibility. I think it just has to be, it's always such a personal decision for each of them. And that was one of the things that I really learned watching Justice Ginsburg's own decision-making process. I was talking about someone I said, gosh, it seems like strategically she's totally going to step down. They said, yeah, I think everyone makes those calculations for everyone but themselves. You know, they don't, when you're looking at the person. And to be honest, both of them are really having the time of their lives. right now in terms of being able to finally, after years of struggle, being in the minority, finally being able to have an amazing leadership role, you can also see why they'd say, hey, let's keep this going. Antonin Scalia had a phrase saying that I just loved, and he would say from time to time that...

The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say. And I just used to love that, Carrie, because that's how he approached it. He approached it the way that I think you should. If it doesn't say it, then why do we imply that it doesn't? I think that's where this 14th Amendment issue with respect to the birthright citizenship comes in. The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say. It doesn't say what... is being interpreted here, I think, Carrie. Yeah, and we have to be really careful, you know, with that issue with everything, not to read in our own personal ideological or, you know, vision of what we, what we think the best policy is into what the Constitution says. The Constitution permits things that I, maybe aren't the best policy for America, and it doesn't outlaw every policy that we think. is a bad policy. So there's kind of this non-overlap. So you don't, you can't say necessarily that just because this is clearly, you know, a terrible thing. Even I think of Justice Scalia, as we keep on talking about, with the flag burning case where he was outraged by the idea of people protesting and burning the American flag. And yet, he. voted in that case to say they have a constitutional right to do so. So it's so important that all of our justices are looking at the Constitution in a way that they're not allowing their own personal views of what I want to be the standard to color their interpretation of what is the constitutional requirement. Carrie, we've hit the finish line. Great to visit with you. Thank you so much. Great appearance. Good talking to you. Good talking to you. Carrie Severino, President JCP, when we come back, I think it's interesting. The Fed chair is not, the next Fed chair is not. Being heard from in committee next week will tell you why when we come back. Filling in for Guy Benson, it's Harry Hurley. By the time I hit my 50s, I'd learned a few things, like how family is precious. Work can always wait. And 99% of people over 50 already have the virus that causes shingles. Not everyone at risk will develop it, but I did. The painful, blistering rash disrupted my life for weeks. Don't learn about your shingles risk the hard way. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist today. Sponsored by GSK.

Welcome back to Guy Benson with Christine and Justin, Harry Hurley, filling in for Guy on a busy newsday. Kevin Warsh will be the next Fed chair. The votes are there to seat him. But he can't get there until he goes through the committee process and receives a vote out of committee and affirmative vote out of committee to then get to the full Senate for a vote. And it's, of course, very important that we get a new Fed chair because President Trump wants a completely different philosophy. He wants interest rates to be lowered, which will... obviously helped to bring down mortgage rates and help the American people to make, you know, borrowing. facilities more less expensive than they are now. But Senator Thom Tillis has promised to block the nomination until the Department of Justice probe into current Fed Chair Jerome Powell is dropped. And that's a pretty sticky wicket at the moment. No intentions to do that. We will be right back. Stay with us. This is Guy Benson. Cheers to America's 250th birthday. Get 20% off your first purchase at Fox Newswineshop.com with code FN Radio 20. 20% discount excludes wine club offers and cannot be combined with any other promotion. Expires July 31st, 2026. Must be 21 order to order. Please drink responsibly. Filling in for Guy Benson, here's Harry Hurley. Welcome back to Guy Benson with Christine and Justin, Harry Early, filling in today for Guy Benson, great to be here on a busy news day. Talk about experience. On Guy Benson, Newsmaker Hotline, KT. McFarland, former President Trump Deputy National Security Advisor, KT has worked under four presidents, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Trump. Wow, these are definitely consequential times, aren't they, KT? Yeah, and I think what is going to happen in the next several weeks is going to determine really the next decade, if not longer. In 2006, it's shaping up to be the year that the world order got remade, whether it's, I think it'll be to our great advantage, but it is not a time for faint hearts, shall we say, because there's a lot changing not only in one part of the world, but really in all parts of the world. And at the end of it, I think at the end of all these transitions that we're going to have, whether it's in the Middle East or in Europe or in Asia, the United States is going to be in a very strong position. But until the changes are affected, I think it is going to be, we'll be in for ups and downs and, you know, rocky times. This is not for the faint-hearted. Well said. KT., what do you think so far, 40-some days into all of this? How do you think it has been executed? How do you think it's going?

I think militarily it's been beyond anyone's possible conception of brilliant. Not only did we attempt to do things that no other country could do, we have done them. And we're ahead of schedule. We have really destroyed the Iranian military. They're top tier. top two tiers of leadership and their military leadership, intelligence community, political, and even the clerical leadership, they're gone. And we've now destroyed their defense industrial base. That's gone. No more missiles, no more drones. I mean, maybe not 100% destroyed, but 90% destroyed. And we've also taken out their missile capabilities and their nuclear enrichment plants. We've also destroyed their ability to replenish those and make more of them. So that part has been a success. We knew that they would go after the Strait of Hormuz. That's their only black male target. And so now the next part of this will be hard as well, and that's going to be to open the Strait of Hormuz to global transit and commercial traffic. It's not, you know, the irony of it is, the Harris, this is not a maritime trade route that matters to the United States. Right. It's a trade route between Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. But we're the ones who can open it up, and I think we will. I don't think it'll be without some risk. I don't think it'll be smooth sailing as far as the rest of this has all been so smooth. But at the end of the day, we cannot let Iran or any other country decide that any waterway that's next to it is just going to be theirs. It's as if the United States said, okay, well, the Gulf of Mexico, now the Gulf of America, that's ours. No ships can go through there until we say they can, and we're going to take a toll. And so it's going to happen. My guess is it'll happen next week. I love that. We are visiting with KT. McFarland on The Guy Venson Show. What do Vice President JD Vance envoys, Wyckhoff and Jared Kushner have to accomplish tomorrow in Islamabad? Well, they won't accomplish it because Iran – this is Iran's standard operating modus operandi, and they've done it for 40 years, is that they start a negotiation, and then there's always something that comes up. And then they delay, and then something else comes up. So they just string it along and string it along. Like Lebanon. They knew Lebanon wasn't included, but they say, oh, Lebanon's included. We're not going to – you're breaking the – you're violating the ceasefire. So I totally agree. But my direct question is – What should they do tomorrow?

in Islamabad. In Pakistan? Well, I think what will happen is that the Iranians will say, well, let's renegotiate. Now, let's retrain the deal. And then either the administration, the vice president will say, no, thank you very much. We'll go back to the original deal if you don't like it and walk out. I would walk out. I would not stay and say, okay, well, let's talk a little bit more next week, and then the week after that, I think that President Trump, he's way too smart a businessman and negotiated to be strung along. That's right. Now, KT, if they operate like they always do, and they operate Iran in bad faith, should President Trump end the ceasefire, and we go right back to where we were before, it's one minute before 8 o'clock? Yes. Yeah, I think that's the only thing that gets their attention. And, you know, if you look at it, it's sort of how is the military part of this proceeded? We have gone after military targets. We have not gone after industrial targets or energy targets. So there's a lot the United States can do to really cripple Iran's energy industry, any kind of their industrial base. Now, we've hesitated to do it here to fore because we always thought, well, How about the post-war run? We want to have them have the capability of rebuilding. We want them to have a means of production. We wanted them to be able to make money. And if we destroy their energy, particularly, they won't be able to do that. They'll have to rebuild, but they won't have any resources to do it. My guess is that it will be something with Karg Island. Karg Island is an island that sits in the middle of the Strait of Hormuz, and it has two functions. One, it has military bases on it. which were where the Iranian Navy was home beforehand-based. Those have been destroyed. Those were destroyed in phase one of the Iran War. What's left is Iran's major oil transshipment point. So all the oil that's coming from Iran goes into pipelines on the mainland, and it goes to Karg Island, and that's where the tankers pull up. At Karg Island, and like a gas station, they get the tankers get filled, and then they go on their way to the rest of the Strait of Hermose. So could the United States take those? Could the United States destroy those facilities? Yeah, we could do a lot of stuff. We could seize the island. Again, it wouldn't be risk-free, but we could do it. Could we destroy the island, just bomb it and destroy all the – yes, we could. We could do that as well. My guess is that that's where the United States will escalate, which is to use Carg Island as a way of – hurting Iran, hurting Iran's energy industry and also opening the straight. And then they'll have to be, okay, so what happens next? I think at the end of the day,

We can do what we need to do in the Strait of Hormuz. The difficulty will be is there's some guy with a shoulder-fired missile who's just going to take aim at a tanker going through the straight and blow it out of the water. And that's where the real problem will come, and that's why I think when this is all over, there will be a need to escort them through the Strait of Hormuz and then fire and defend the ships against that one guy with a shoulder-fired missile. Let me follow up on that. In just a second, just a quick reset, KT. McFarland, former President Trump Deputy National Security Advisor, our guest, our distinguished guest, on Guy Benson, and listening, KT, to you, it's like a masterclass. It's amazing. I don't want to see what I'm going to call the law of unattended consequences, and that would be that now and going forward, the Strait of Hormuz would be this $2 million. toll, you know, a dollar per barrel, two million barrels, two million dollar toll. We know the Suez and Panama canals have significant tolls, but the Strait of Hormuz has not had a toll. For me, for Iran, after all they've done, to improve their situation by having a toll, I don't think we can allow that. Do you agree or disagree? Yes, I mean, you know, this is not a little canal that somebody built. This is a major waterway that nature built. It would be like saying, well, the Black Sea, let's put a toll booth in Istanbul. Or it would be like this is the Taiwan straight to say, okay, we're going to have a toll there. What it would do if we allow Iran to do that, well, first of all, there's no guarantee that they would. be fair about it. They could say, okay, here's a toll for these shifts. We like these guys. We don't like these guys. So it would be giving them control of a water where they've not had control of prior to this. So no, we can't let that happen. But the other thing is that if we do, will we let it happen, then the whole world just changes overnight. Then everybody grabs, I mean, we could grab this Gulf of America, say no ships coming through there, no tankers unless we get our toll. There you go. So it would really, you know, so I don't think that's going to happen. What I think is going on in Iran right now is, first of all, the Iranians are duplicitous. They always try to retrade the deal. But secondly, I'm not sure who's in charge. That's right. You know, we remember, there's so many of the first and second tier people who have been killed and who the United States is negotiating with the political leaders, the foreign minister, the parliamentarians, you know, within their Congress. But we're not negotiating with their military guys. So are the military guys and the civilian guys? Are they all on the same page? Are they all following orders? Or is there a division amongst them? And I think there is likely to be great division in chaos among them. And also their communication is so degraded. I mean, how are they even talking on radios? They can't be in the same place, you know, for fear that they're going to be, you know, blown away. And I agree with you. I don't think it's the Ayatollah son, Mostaba, whatever his name is, Khomeini. I think that it is the Revolutionary Guard. I think it's whoever is controlling the military is running the show. That's why I think we heard something, and all of a sudden it was, oh, no, no, it's something else. And I think that's because of what.

you said. They're not in unison with one another. Seems that way. And the Revolutionary Guard, it's important to remember, this is not like the American Armed Forces. The Revolutionary Guard, first of all, there are two militaries in Iran. There's the regular Iranian military. That's not who these guys are. That's right. The Revolutionary Guard are the sort of the thugs. They're the guys with masks on the motorcycles, arresting women in the streets and beating them up. These are the guys who run the proxy armies. These are the guys who run the intelligence services. And in addition to that, the Revolutionary Guard is very corrupt. So they own a lot of the defense industrial complex in Iran. So the missile production plant, it's not going to be owned by Boeing. It's going to be owned by the Revolutionary Guard. So the people, the senior leaders of that, they don't want to give up their money or their power. They may not care about their, quote, Iranian Revolution, but they certainly care about their positions of power. So I just don't think that they've been convinced yet that they – that they need to make a deal. They will be convinced eventually. I agree. If they're not, you know, we'll work down to find a third tier. Yeah, you really have to wonder, like, their commitment is just off the charts because they have lost. I think your approximation is spot on, KT. They've lost like 90, 90 plus percent. They've been degraded. And there's just no quit in them. You know, they're unbelievable. Even after this so-called two-week ceasefire, you know, violating it right away with phony things. Oh, Lebanon. Lebanon's included, and as you know, Vice President. JD Vance said in Budapest, Hungary, that Lebanon is not included, and they know that. So they just lie. They are liars who lie about lying. I can't wait for your answer for this one. Obviously, President Trump is very disappointed in NATO, and he's made it very clear. Secretary General Routé, as you know, very Trumpian. He's very respectful. He's been great, but NATO, not so much. I thought it was all for one, one for all. What happened? KT. Three Musketeers wrong. What happened? This sentiment of renegotiating the NATO alliance or reassessing it has been around for a long time. President Trump as a first president has actually gotten NATO members to pay at least part of their fair share of our common defense. Otherwise, the U.S. pays 75% of the cost of NATO. Amazing. But the terrible thing about this is not only would none of those countries help.

militarily and some have minesweepers and things. They don't have a lot of capability, but they have some. But they won't even let American aircraft stop at a base that we built, a NATO base that we built in their country to refuel. They won't even let American military aircraft fly over their country. And yet... What do they expect? They want America to clear this straight of removes so that they can have their commercial traffic. The thing I find so frustrating is that the European countries have deliberately made a choice. They decided to deindustrialize. They wouldn't make stuff anymore. They decided to de-energize. They had their own energy. They have their own domestic energy. They're not going to use it. They over-regulated. And they were going to demilitarize. They don't have any. They don't make military equipment anymore. They don't spend it. And so they expect that... After having done all these things, they expect everybody to bail them out. And I think it's a new sheriff in town. President Trump's not going to bail them out. What do you think of the Democrats' behavior during a time of war where they were obviously against the APM, what could have been major attack? Then, of course, when that didn't happen, then they were against a ceasefire. So they are just against President Trump, aren't they? Yeah, they have the Trump derangement syndrome. Yeah. I mean, whatever Trump is for, they're against. Yeah. So the irony is, though, when President Trump tweeted out that tweet a few days ago saying that he's going to destroy the Iranian civilization, President Trump knew exactly what he was doing. He didn't mean he was going to destroy the civilization. He meant he was going to take out the regime. But he used that civilization word, I think, probably carefully. I've been with him in the Oval Office where he taps out those tweets. He really thinks over which words. And he knew that if he did that, it would drive, that the media, the Democrats, the Europeans, they'd take the bait. And then they would say, oh, Donald Trump wants their nuke, 93 million Iranians. Right. He's going to destroy. He didn't mean that. But by amplifying that and taking it to the extreme, I think that had a kind of deterrent effect. on the Iranians. If you're an Iranian general, you see the tweet and you think, well, I guess I'm kind of scared of Donald Trump. Well, you saw they did the human shields, KT. They had them all around the power plants, around the bridges. Yes. Final minute with my regrets to say that with KT. McFarland, in the final minute, give us your quick take on, do you think the ceasefire will hold for two weeks or will we be back at war inside of two weeks? Next week. I think that by next week we're going to have military action. I think you're right. KT. Great to be with you. Thank you so much. Awesome. I meant that what I said. I'll say it again. K.T. McFarland, listening to KT. McFarland, it's like a master class. It should be like a four-credit course that we should get college credit for. We'll be right back. And when we come back, EPA administrator, Lee Zeldin, who many in the climate community, they don't want him. to be the next attorney general and and obviously his name has been floated they want him to remain as EPA administrator he is a quiet superstar Marco Rubio Lee Zeldin Pete Hegseth and more i mean absolute and and really Pete Hegseth gets no credit for the great job that he does but he doesn't care he just does it Lee Zeldin told the climate skeptics something that i'll share with you when we come back this is Guy Benson

Filling in for Guy Benson, it's Harry Hurley. Welcome back to Guy Benson. Christine Justin, you're Shirley Harry. I am filling in today for Guy Benson. Thank you for the opportunity team. Now, the EPA administrator did not used to be a cabinet-level position. Just a little bit of a fun fact history lesson real quick because there is a point I want to make about Lee Zeldin. My former governor of New Jersey, Christine Todd Whitman, left during her second term as governor. to become EPA administrator and president George W. Bush was the first to make that a cabinet level position. So make no mistake about it. Democrats who talk EPA and all this all the time never elevated this position to cabinet level. What Lee Zeldin has just done proving that elections have consequences and making great appointments like Lee Zeldin how consequential they are. In 2009, there was a finding called endangerment, finding, and the EPA put in very onerous things, and they said it was for a, you know, virtuous purpose to eliminate greenhouse gas standards for cars and trucks and threatened, you know, other climate things. And so they slapped all these onerous things. on anything that emitted these types of what they call greenhouse gases. Lee Zeldin has repealed all of that. Now, the wackos are going crazy saying that he's surreal, he's tone deaf, and all of this. But this is a very big deal. So when you hear that Lee Zeldin told climate skeptics to celebrate vindication, that's what he was talking about. This is Guy Benson.

Raise your glass to Guy Benson Happy Hour. Brought to you by the Finnish Long Drink. Finland's most popular alcoholic beverage is taking America by storm. Visit thelongdrink.com. And now, here's Guy Benson. Welcome back to Guy Benson with Christine and Justin, Harry Hurley, throwing in today for Guy Benson on Guy Benson Newsmaker hotline is Josh Crashauer, Fox News Radio political analyst, editor-in-chief at the Jewish Insider. You can follow all things Josh at Josh Crash Hour, K-R-A-U-S-H-A-R. Josh, welcome back to Guy Benson. Harry, it's great to be back with you. Great to be with you. I think it is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. Our former vice president, Kamala Harris, has resurfaced the awful cadence, the fake accents. I mean, it was all on parade, all on display, and then, of course, the big tease that she might. She just might bless us, Josh Crash Hour, and she might run for president. Let's take a listen to a piece of it. Justin, cut four. So are you going to run again in 28?

I tried to be subtle, but I just figured I'd go right out. But that's as subtle as Reverend Al Sharpton could ever be. We love you for many things, but not being subtle. Listen, I might. I might. I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. But let me say this. Let me say this. I am thinking about it. But let me also say this. Look, I served for four years being a heartbeat away from the presidency of the United States. I spent countless hours in my West Wing office. footsteps away from the Oval Office. I spent countless hours in the Oval Office in the Situation Room. I know what the job is. And I know what it requires. How could someone say such serious things and sound so unserious? And of course, the fake accent was there, the annoying cadence. It's all there. That's the Reverend Al Sharpton gathering for those in the Guy Venson universe. It might not be aware that many of the potential Democrat presidential candidates have gathered together. So, Josh, there it is. Your thoughts? Well, two points. I mean, number one, you know, the... Kamala Harris' political antenna have never been the sharpest in the Democratic Party. And I won't give her this. Like, I think a lot of Democrats are looking at the Democratic nomination in a few years, and they see it as more valuable. Like, they think it's a very winnable presidential election. So, you know, if she wants to be president and it sounds like she does, and she says how close she was to the presidency as Biden's vice president, you know, like it would almost kind of be crazy not to take a shot at it again. You never ran in a primary. She did badly in 2020 and, you know, never had to run on her own for the primary in 2024. But it's notable who she was speaking to as well, Harry. She was speaking to the National Action Network, Reverend L. Sharp in largely black audience. You look at the polling, and it is interesting that she never as a candidate really connected with black voters as much as you would expect. But it does. seem that if you look at this field, which is not particularly strong, the prospective field, Kevin Gavin Newsom, Rob Emanuel, and Josh Shapiro. and everyone else. Pete Buttigieg. She would, Pete Buttigieg. I mean, Pete Buttigieg is a great example. Like, she dominates with black voters, which is a big part of that Democratic coalition. So I think the way she sees it is, number one, the nomination is going to be a little more valuable than it's been in a while. Number two, like she's the, you know, former sitting vice president. And as someone who has pretty strong showing with black voters, that's already, you know, a third of the game for winning the Democratic nomination. So look, I don't, I would not.

totally dismissed Harris as a credible contender. I just think in a general election, I mean, who do the Democrats want to put up against, you know, as their nominee in 2028, Harris underperforms so badly in 2024. You can see all of her political challenges. And she's very, as we said at the outset, very poor political instincts. She does not appeal to your average moderate swing voter. So, you know, this is. You know, I can see why she wants to contest the nomination. The winds are blowing in the Democrats' direction right now. But boy, I think a lot of Democratic officials, leaders, people who know her political vulnerabilities are cringing and really, really frustrated that she is making another go of it, potentially. Josh Crash Hour visiting on Guy Benson, let me buy what you're selling because the more Democrats that run, the more likely it is, I think, that she will and the more likely that she would win because she does have a certain base. If it's 20%, whatever it might be in that Democrat field, Josh, that might be enough to win the nomination. Absolutely. And I also, this is an under the media world is also sort of an underappreciated dynamic in that. It used to be, you know, if you're a good candidate, you're Josh Shapiro or Gavin Newsom, you get better known by going on CNN or MSNBC or MSN, whatever. And that's how you get attention. That's how you get a profile. The ability to have kind of a built-in brand, a brand name, whether it's good or bad, is an underappreciated advantage because it's going to take a lot of money and a lot of work for Josh Shapiro to get the kind of profile. that Kamala Harris has. It's taken Gavin Newsom to put all these ridiculous mean tweets out there to get that kind of profile. And I think it's damage his brand to some degree, at least in the general electorate. She's, you know, for better for worse, like everyone knows who Kamala Harris is. So not only does she have, I think, black voters as a potential part of her base, but she also doesn't have to work as hard. She's going to be able to raise probably a good amount of money and has a profile that is well-known to almost every American for better or for worse. So, you know, that's an advantage. It used to be easier for challengers to get attention. And if you're Pete Buttigieg, if you're, you know, knew somebody you have a little bit of that right now. But it's hard for any of these other governors and congressmen and senators to get that same attention. And sometimes by getting attention, they have to make themselves look more extreme or radical by going on all these crazy podcasts and kind of debasing themselves to get attention. And, you know, so for better for worse, she's vice president. She has that built an advantage. The problem is this. discussing. She just has so many political weaknesses we've seen throughout her political, throughout her career, and obviously her underperformance in 2024 was sort of the capstone or low point of that long career. So, you know, if you ask most Democrats privately, strategists, some of the smartest operators in that party, they do not want Harris to be the nominee. They don't want her to run. I think Republicans do want her to run. It's kind of ironic. Now, when you listen to her there. And Reverend Al Sharpton, you know, ask the right question, you know, right up front, you know, or you're going to run in 2028. Did she sound like someone that is likely to run in 2028? Or did she tip her hand that she was teasing about it, but not serious about it?

I mean, I listen to that whole speech. My stock, in terms of whether she's going to run or not, you know, better on the running. That sounded like a candidate. To me, you don't kind of, you know, usually you kind of play hard to get. She did not sound like someone playing hard to get in that interview and the response to that question. She sounds a lot more interested. in running for president that I'd heard six months ago. Well, you think about this, Josh, if passed his prologue and it usually is, Nixon felt he won the 1960 election. He took it well. He conceded early. He didn't contest anything. Nobody did that back then until really Al Gore. And he took his concession back, as you know. So Nixon went and had another go at it. Harris... Even though it was an electoral landslide, she probably looks at it that she underperformed, even though she spent whatever it was $2 billion or whatever it was and still wound up leaving the campaign in debt, which is kind of fantastical. But she thinks, hey, look, you know, 100 and some thousand votes over three, four, five states. And, you know, she's in her first term as president right now. So I think she is going to run. Because that's how they look at it. They want another chance. And Harris is not a long-term political. She's not someone who kind of gains things out. She's very much like a short-term political thinker. And I've got to believe they're going to be polls out with Trump at a 40% or even worse. And some polls, job approval rating, gas prices going up. This is a moment where Democrats are ascendant. And they're going to be polls that test her against JD Vance and show her ahead. And to her ego, I got to think, if you're Kamala Harris, even though these polls don't mean anything for the 2028 election, we have no idea for the Republican nominee. There's so many things. that are going to happen in the next two and a half years. But I got to think that she looks at those numbers and she'll see some polls that show her doing quite well, and she'll probably be more incentivized to jump in the race, especially with no other really serious. I've got to say, like, this is not the most imposing field of candidates out there, prospective candidates. I've got to think that she's going to look at that and say, why not me again? For a sitting vice president. that ran once, and this would be a second run, I sense that anybody on the Democrat side that wants to run, they're just going to treat it like an open seat. They're going to run. She's not going to deter anybody's interest in my estimation. Again, that's not to say that there's a case to be made where she could win that Democrat nomination, as we talked about, Josh. But any Democrat that's interested... I don't think they're going to say, well, this was the vice president. And she did come sort of close in the popular vote. And not even though it was an electoral college route, she was close in some of the battleground states. I don't think anyone's going to defer to her, is what I'm saying. Your thoughts? No, I mean, she's not going to scare anyone out of the race. I would be very, very skeptical, especially her base of black voters. There's no one else in that.

in that lane, if you will. So I do think her entering the race, though, does change how a campaign would be run by some of the challengers. So, you know, if it does turn, I don't know if this is a fait of complete, but if she continues to have strong, strong support in the black community, then all of a sudden, South Carolina might become a little bit less important for the other candidates. Maybe she's South Carolina and focus on New Hampshire, focus on other early primary states. You don't even know if Iowa was going to be one of those states. But, you know, New Hampshire might be like a Pete Buttigieg. I can imagine Pete Buttigieg all of a sudden, maybe thinking his chances are a little bit better because if she's, if she's got South Carolina, maybe he competes in New Hampshire and some of the other, other, you know, other, other more working class states. And that's more of a pathway for someone like Pete Buttigieg's big problem was he couldn't kind of do well with some of the voters that Harris might win over. So, you know, it actually changes the political math for the other candidates in a very important way. Josh Shapiro, too, who is someone who, you know, again, a moderate can they win the Democratic nomination. The math changes, though, when you have a sitting vice president, former sitting vice president. president in the race. So the back is going to take a lot. Oh, my God. Yeah, you have so many things swirling through my head, Josh. First, I think no moderate Democrat can win a Democrat nomination at this time. They've gone crazy left, as you know. Here's the other thing that I think. This could be very, very good. I think the ticket is likely going to be JD Vance. and Marco Rubio, president and vice president, I think they should announce that, do something very unconventional, don't even wait, say, this is the ticket, you know, we're it. And then if they take on Harris... If she were to emerge from the Democrat primary, and you mentioned South Carolina, I could see South Carolina saving her like it did Joe Biden. And I think the Democrats are going to savage her politically during the primary season. And there'll be all kinds of things that usually Republicans do to one another. After the break, Josh, I want to get your take on that. I think it could be a great matchup. and really position Republicans with a chance to continue another Republican term that may otherwise not happen without these unique circumstances. Josh Crashauer, Fox News, Radio political analyst visiting on Guy Benson. We'll be right back. Filling in for Guy Benson, it's Harry Hurley.

Welcome back to Guy Benson with Christine and Justin, Harry Hurley, sitting in for Guy, and we're visiting with Josh Crashauer, Fox News Radio, political analyst, editor-in-chief of the Jewish insider. So right before the break, Josh, I floated that if Harris runs, and I think you're right, it's too intoxicating, and no pun intended. She's going to run, and in a crowded field, she may win. But I think the Democrats are going to mark up. the ultimate winner in a way that we don't usually see. Usually Republicans are pretty good at that. If she is the nominee, this could be teed up for Republicans to continue in the White House. Your thoughts, Josh? Yeah, I mean, so many known unknowns as Don Rumsfeld, like the one say. Yeah, I think it's hard to kind of game out what the political environment's going to look like in 2028. I think the economy, you know, the state of the war, the foreign conflicts, and whether things are more peaceful in the Middle East. Those are going to be big factors, which we have no idea what things are going to look like in a couple years. So that aside, look the one thing that is safe to say is that Harris has always underperformed expectations. On paper, she always looked better than she did as a candidate, both in the primary back in. 2020, which didn't even make it to Iowa because she was such a weak performer. And then clearly in 2024, where the expectation was he was at least going to be running a very close race, ended up losing all those swing states, lost significant support among some core demographic groups, working class voters, non-white voters, just one of the worst Democrats. performances, given how polarized we are as the country and have been for some time. So, I mean, I think it's pretty clear she's an underperformer. Now, you look at the midterm environment that there's some pretty like, you know, perhaps underperforming Democratic candidates, a nonetheless win Senate races or House races because the environment is looking strong for the overall Democratic Party and sending a message against the incumbent party of this midterm. So, you know, I think that's why she's frankly looking at running because I think she sees the environment looking a lot better than for Democrats. perhaps in 2024. But again, this is so far off. I think a lot of it is just pure speculation. We know Harris is an underperformer, and we also know that what would cause her so many problems in the 2024 campaign. She's on record by taking a whole host of left-wing positions that are so far out of the mainstream, that even Democrats, so that's going to be issue number one, that's a vulnerability. Number two is that she was Biden's number two, the issue of her. say nothing, when clear that clearly Biden's limitations were the most evident to her as his vice president, that is going to be just rejiggered, brought up again and reminded to the voters that she was, you know, the vice president of a fairly unpopular president, but also didn't speak out when he was incapable of doing the job very well. Yeah, she gets marks up for loyalty, too, though. So that cuts both ways. But I do agree with you. She didn't say anything, and it was very self-evident. And in fact, not only didn't she say anything. She said the opposite. She said how incredibly, you know, with it he was and nobody can keep up with him. And, I mean, they went the other way. It was so ridiculous. We have less than two minutes, Josh. I could talk about that all day. And I usually would say you're right about, like in sports, the way too early poll right after the NCAA men's or women's championship game. They have the polls for next year. And, you know, it's, oh, my God, the game just finished or the same thing with the Super Bowl.

This time, though, we have a sitting vice president. We have a sitting secretary of state. We have a former immediate past vice president. I think the early line means more than it usually does for those reasons. Yeah, look, I'll repeat. I think it's a very safe bet to expect Kamala Harris to underperform your average Democrat in a general election. She'll underperform. That's why it would be great to have her. Right. So, you know, the only question is that the unknown is, you know, what is the political environment? What is Trump's approval number going to be closer to 2028? Who's going to be the Republican nominee? Like, you know, there's so many other factors. But the fact that she, you know, inherited what would have been, what should have been, and poll suggested would be a very close race. And she underperformed as badly as she did. And she did so poorly with traditional democratic constituencies, largely because of her own mistakes and own problems. It's not going to go away in 2028. issues that are going to be with her. Yeah, I think I'm selling her because I want her to be the nominee very, very badly. I think it would be the best thing. And I think it is almost self-evident unless they had a falling out between now and then. President Trump is going with the force of, you know, Trump Force one. He's going to, it's going to be JD Vance. But I wish we had more time. Josh, you are fantastic to visit with. Thank you for the opportunity today. Great to talk to you. Always great to be with you, Harry. Thanks a lot. Real pleasure. Josh Crashauer, Fox News Radio, political analyst, editor-in-chief at the Jewish Insider. This is Guy Benson.

Guy Benson. Here's Harry Hurley. Welcome back to Guy Benson with Christine and Justin. Harry Hurley filling in today for Guy. Earlier in the program, we spoke with Griff Jenkins, co-host of Fox and Friends weekend. Here's a part of our interview. Griff, welcome to Guy Benson. There's nothing better on a Friday afternoon than talking to my friend Harry Hurley. I appreciate those kind words. Check us in the mail. Griff, I got to tell you, so proud of you. Love watching you every weekend and because obviously we're humans and we take days off. So you're there during the week as well, quite a bit on Fox and Friends. So I'm watching you all the time, Griff, and just love. how you represent the brand. You know, I'll tell you, Harry, since I took this weekend gig, I've noticed that there's no shortage of Saturday and Sunday massive news stories. I mean, it's like it was a weekend when we went into Venezuela and grabbed Maduro. It was a weekend back last summer when we did Midnight Hammer. It was a weekend when we did the most daring combat search and rescue mission to save our two pilots down in Iran. It's great. I'll tell you, the weekend is becoming. the news ground zero for breaking news and i'm going to tell you what i think part of that is obviously we are seven days a week 24-7 so it never shuts off speed of life but we're all operating whether people listening love hate like dislike president trump my former boss We are living at the speed of Trump. I mean, his pace is unbelievable. He never shuts down, so the weekends are not sleepy. It's like one day, one continuous day, Griff, that... doesn't end. Yeah. And, you know, that's exactly right. You put it perfectly, Harry, it is the speed of Trump. And I love, I just saw yesterday some Democrat member of Congress was saying, we've got to invoke the 25th Amendment because he's got clear signs of dementia. I'm like, look, brother, you can sling a lot of criticisms at him, maybe some of them fair criticisms. But one thing is for sure that man's got the stamina of a 25-year-old and he ain't got dementia. No, it's so unfair. And you know what's also blatantly, brutally, brutally. intellectually dishonest about that. This is coming from people who knew that there was a problem with President Biden and covered for him. Yeah. Yeah, and, you know, you think about literally the four years of under just Biden, and it does go back, by the way, to decades of previous U.S. presidents, particularly under Biden, how much Iran was clearly able to advance their nuclear program, enriched uranium, and build a unbelievable stockpile of missiles, some of which we had never known could go as far as they could. Correct. You know, this is the president. As I've said, this is the first president that's actually been willing to confront Iran.

directly because of the present threat of 47 years and willing to back it up with hard power. Yeah, and you know what also is unfair? And that's very well said. Griff Jenkins, visiting on the God Guy Benson, here's something else that's very unfair. These bad actors in the Democrat legacy media that know that what they're saying to their viewers and their listeners is not true when they say this is a quagmire. As you have said very eloquently on your show, and this was even before we got to day 40, this is when it was a couple of weeks into it or the first 30 days into it. We've degraded Iran. something like more than 90%. To call that a quagmire and a failure and that Iran is winning, talk about propaganda for the enemy. This is awful to watch. Yeah, you're right. 90% of their military industrial base factories wiped out. Their entire Navy is at the bottom of the seat. This is an undeniable tactical military victory, one of which the war colleges at Annapolis and West Point will study for years. But, you know, you talk about the legacy media trying to paint it as an absolute failure. Even aside from the undeniable tactical victory, I saw a headline yesterday, Harry, that was NBC News saying the U.S. has spent $28 billion so far in the war in Iran. What else could that money have been spent? That's a true headline in it they go into. Well, it could have paid for daycare for 2 million Americans for up to a year and rent for however many a million Americans. And I thought to myself, oh, that's interesting. How many headlines like that about what money could have? been spent on instead under the Biden years when we gave $200 billion to Ukraine. And I'll double down on you. I'll second that emotion and double down on you. If Iran had been left unfettered as seven presidents before President Trump allowed to happen, they were very close to an intercontinental ballistic missile, and you were very studied on this. You know better than I, but I also know that the only thing you put at the tip of an intercontinental ballistic missile is a nuke, and they would have had a missile that would have reached America, and we know that they had enough uranium enriched. You don't have to be, as you know, you don't have to be at 100%. No. sort of medical and and other purposes below a certain percentage over 60 some percentile you can do a nuke so they were on their way big time so all those other you know nithering nabobs that are saying oh my god we could have spent that on you know going to the beach you know uh

if there's no country left, that wouldn't matter too much, would it griff? No, it wouldn't. And what we learned was that Iran, by their own word, said that they would not build a missile that could go more than 2,500 kilometers. We now know they could go 4,000 because they hit near Diego Garcia. And that's pretty much incorporated, that puts every European capital within their target range. But, you know, those naysayers, at the end of the day, they are ultimately equating themselves to the argument that, Well, even if Iran had missiles that could go that far and they could put some enriched uranium up to 60% or more, they're not going to do it. And if you think that, I have got a bridge to sell you because they are, as people have described them, a messianic death cold built on one. That was part of our interview with Griff Jenkins, co-host of Fox and Friends weekend for the full interview. Go to Guy Benson.com. Coming up next, it's the home stretch, a very moving former Senator Ben Sass, his incredible perspective and how he has dealt with a terminal cancer diagnosis. That's coming up. Filling in for Guy Benson, it's Harry Hurley.

And now it's time for your favorite segment of the day. Home Stretch. It's basically the only segment I'm on. So I've declared it the audience's favorite segment. Guy Benson. Welcome back to Guy Benson with Christine and Justin. It's Harry Hurley filling in today for Guy Benson. You know, I'm a big fan of the show. So I've heard many different topics, some that are very, very funny, some that are very serious. Today's topic about former United States Senator Ben Sass and the way that he has dealt with a terminal prognosis with the... pancreatic cancer that he has very, very courageously faced. Christine, I think it's one of the most profound topics you've ever picked. Oh, well, thank you, Harry. I mean, it's not something that I enjoy picking because I hate what he is going through. And I can say the word hate. I truly hate what he's going through. I'm a big fan of the former senator. And we actually had just had him on this show two weeks before he announced. is cancer diagnosis. You know what I think he learned, Christine, how small politics is all the terrible things that people say back and forth. There was a lot of ugly stuff going on. None of that matters very much now, does it, Christine? I mean, you could say that about pretty much anything. You know, you can say that. I tell a lot of the people that, I know Guy says it's scary that I train people, but I tell a lot of people that I work with that are starting out, you know, here, we're not saving lives. We're not curing cancer here. And your job, once you go, it goes on, you know. And the same thing as the senator says, you know, he had left politics a while back. He became a university president, right? Correct. His wife has a seizure, had a really bad seizure diagnosis of some sort. So that's why he had left politics to take care of her and to become the president. Obviously, I think it was University of Florida. I think so. But I had followed him. He always wrote pieces here and there. And then I started following him, you know, as probably many people did once he announced, you know. I think it was the way that he wrote his announcement of his cancer because basically he said, I'm dying. Yeah, like I'm going to die. There's no, there's nothing more to say other than that. It's a finality. I will be dying. And I just know when I'm going to be dying. I mean, we all die. But he knew when and he. put it out there and he has been speaking out while going through, you know, pancreatic cancer, usually when you find that, the survival rate trends around like, what, 5%? Because it usually has already spread to a lot of the other parts of your body. Yeah, before you know you have it, it's already usually well along. And very few people like Alex Trebek lived much longer than expected with pancreatic cancer.

Ben Sass is living much longer than most people do. Before we get Justin's first comment, there's something that's just been on my mind about this. When I listen to him, say, my 14-year-old son, he's not going to have a father when he's 16, my 22-year-old daughter, my 24-year-old daughter, I'm not going to be able to walk them down the aisle. I mean, it just... It tugs at every, if you're not moved by that, you're not breathing. There's something wrong with you. So the way he has handled this, but not in any kind of boo-hoo pity for me. He is handling this. as well, and I've been exposed to this, all of us listening to Guy Benson, cancer afflicts every family, whether it's an immediate family member, someone very, very close to you. I lost both my parents to endocarsinoma, the lung, lung cancer, and you think you're ready for it, and they were about five years apart. I thought I was ready the second time. It's just like it never happened. It's so hard. And the way he's handling this, is actually, I think, teaching a great lesson for all of us. I 100. Oh, I could tear up right now. I was just thinking about that. I 100% agree because I think that he is confident in knowing where he will be going after this life. And there's so much more to life after this one is over. And you could see it. And in some ways, I feel like he is out there trying to comfort. us or people that are dying saying I'm not afraid of the death like that's the finality that's it he doesn't want to leave his family he doesn't want to leave his family but he feels not afraid yeah and it's just about trying to write your wrongs trying to you know complete whatever he wanted to here on earth. And unfortunately, I don't think you ever get that chance, even if you're 120. But just the way, the profound way that he has been speaking about this gives such a comfort. And I'm just in complete awe of him. And I listen to his podcast. He has a great podcast called Not Dead Yet. And it's a great, great podcast. And it's really not political. It's just about, you know, life in general. And... He has such a great sense of humor. And he's sick. He's very, very sick, but he's still fighting. And I found this clip, Harry, that I sent to you and Justin. Beautiful. Of him on a different interview and just the way he talks about. what's going to happen. I think everybody should just listen to it. I agree. And he does not have any time to get stuck on anything stupid. So his priorities are at a hyper, you know, elite level that I don't think any of us could possibly have because we're not going through.

and feeling what he is feeling and that is his own mortality you know we know when we're born we don't know when we're going to die he has sort of an idea of that so let's play the clip that christine was talking about justin cut 26 i was um incredibly blessed to be quickly at peace. I kept hearing the Pauline phrase, to live as Christ, to die as gain. And death is terrible. We should never sugarcoat it. It is not how things are meant to be. But it is great that death can be called the final enemy. It's an enemy, but it's a final enemy, and there will then be no more tears. I believe in the resurrection, and I believe in a restoration of this world. And so I did not... feel great fear about my death. I didn't want the pain I was going through. I didn't want to be a pansy ass, you know, in the final moments. But I did immediately feel regrets about a lot of misprioritization. We're all on the clock, and I wanted to have prioritized better. Justin, your thoughts. Well, it is kind of a cliche saying, you know, the whole live like you're dying thing. But I guess you don't really know until you're faced with that. But I think the scary part about it is not so much what people fear themselves. But it reminds me of an interview that Keanu Reeves did a few years ago where he was asked about death and he said, you know, he kind of feels bad for all the loved ones he's going to leave behind and how they're going to have to deal with it. Yes. You can tell that he is most upset about that. He's handling it really well, but he knows the pain that his wife and that his three children are going to feel. I just heard like he was saying the words, Justin and Christine, when he was mentioning about the misprioritization. And I think what he was saying was all the stupid political squabbles. Because really, aren't they dumb? These stupid things that get said today. Yes. One side against the other. They just want to win so bad. They say all this stupid stuff. You know, that whole gathering that we're covering today with Reverend Al Sharpton and the former vice president and all this, hey, I'm going to say the F word. And then you think it's going to be the potty stuff. But then she comes out with feckless and not a profane word. Just stupid stuff, Christine. Yes. And that's what he was saying. Like you've got to prioritize life and what's important and what's not. That's what I took away from that clip. But you're right. You know, everything we do here, listen, it's a lot of this stuff if you think.

You know, politics is tough because we're fighting for good causes. It just turns into some sort of like free-for-all, some silly wrestling match. You know, we get caught up in semantics. So it was really nice to hear him. I also think I'll leave it at this. You know, he seems so steady in such a, you know, life-altering ending. And I love that I think the steadiness comes from his love and his belief of Christ. And... It makes me want to have that more. And Charlie Kirk really, I think, started that for a lot of people. But if you really listen to Ben, if you go and listen to these podcasts and listen to him, the steadiness makes me want to be closer to the Lord. Take it for what it is. Yeah. Beautiful, Christine. And Justin, we want to give you a closing comment as well. But let me share something that this whole. panel discussion has inspired me. Here's what I would like to see. Everybody knows that follows politics, that Senator Sass, you know, had a rough go of it with President Trump. None of that matters now. What I would love to see, I don't know that it's going to happen. I guess it in the current environment that is just so incredibly vitriolic and uncooperative and divisive. I guess it can't happen, but a joint session of Congress. that the American people could eavesdrop in on. And Ben Sass address all 535 members of Congress. I think that would be potentially life-changing and powerful. Amen. I agree. 100%. Justin, final thoughts? I'd want to agree with that, but considering we've seen so many things even at like State of the Unions, how certain sides can't stand for what you would think would be commonalities. I unfortunately have a more skeptical view. Why do too? I wish for it. I know it can't happen under this environment. Wow. Christine, thank you for that incredible moment on Guy Benson. And to everyone listening, thanks for spending this portion of your day right here. on Guy Benson.

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