The rise of the radical left in America on the back of Jew hatred

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That is a Lone's piano. And when I was in Hostage Square, I didn't realize that. His family put it there, and people would just come play it. And I played it when I was there. I played Superman that night at Hostage Square when I ran bombed. And as soon as I kind of found that out, when his mother reached out to me to do this project, it took on another meeting. And again, it's just an example of good, triumph, and over evil. And I hope, I hope you people that see it, understand that this is a recognition of everybody who stood up for the hostages, including Yu Hu, including Duane, everybody who would not let their plate. fade away. It is a victory for us. And I hope everyone can see it and take joy in it like I do. I think it's going to inspire a lot of people who are in tough places because your tough place is not a Hamas torture tunnel. Your tough place is not really being no objective reason to hope. I don't know if you had a chance to talk to Alon either before, after, a sense or in the future of its plan. That performance of his was, yeah, that's pretty high wire stuff. And he carried it off. He played it. By the way, you hit every note. He said, wow, John's not losing a thing here in his performance. How was that? High pressure for both of you. Well, I'll tell you, you know, spending a day with him rehearsing and his family, he is in amazing mental shape. He is very humble, but he is very strong. And I kept finding myself going over and touching him, just putting my hand on his back, just because I couldn't believe he was there. And, you know, I have to say, if you can survive 700 days in a torture tunnel, playing a gig for a few folks for APEC was nothing. No problem for him. He had the poise. He was speaking to everybody. And we didn't talk a lot about his experience, but one interesting thing, he said when they took some of the other hostages away from him, they asked him if he wanted someone else to stay with him. And he said, no. And I asked him why. And he said, because I would get more food. That just showed how brutal. situation was and a kind of fun highlight after we performed we went to a deli um in dc and and we were talking i said you know what did you miss the most he goes you know what i always thought about was a chocolate shake with baileys a chocolate shake with baileys and i ran basically the deli was closing but i said whatever you got to do you know i'll pay whatever I need a chocolate shake with Baileys right now, and they brought it out, and I have a picture of a loan drinking his chocolate shake with Baileys. And again, it was just truly wonderful. No, if the Grammys were not politically broken, and if there was the appropriate category, I would start a campaign to nominate that video for performance that inspires. But I don't think they have that category, and I don't think the Grammy voters.

are able to see how evil Hamas is or how great Alon is for resilience, endurance, and art. Am I wrong about that? Is there any hope for the Grammy voting electorate? Well, actually, when we put out the okay we're not okay song, I was reached out to by some folks in the music industry who sent it to Neris and said this song should be played at the Grammys. And of course, it was rejected. There are folks in the music industry who understand. And frankly, many of them who reached out to me since this Oloin video came out with tears in their eyes. But unfortunately, they are consumed with the wokeism that is kind of... you know, infecting our youth and the cowardice. that many who understand what we're doing and understand Israel the good guy is the good guy are suffering from. So again, this transcends music. It transcends the music business. And I'm just glad we have these counter-salvos to the incredible anti-Semitism we're seen from many musical acts. You know, and I think for our Jewish friends that this video gave them a shot in the arm, especially after the New York Times and Christoph's abomination. I wanted to put this out a little later, but as soon as I saw that abomination, I'm like, we're putting this out now because we need to counter that disgusting article that the New York Times published. Well, it was well done. It was well-timed. It has gone everywhere. And I will re-up it in the course of the show to make sure that everyone can find it easily on my ex-account. Just go to John Androzic. or five for fighting, and you will find the video with Alon and John singing Superman. He got a good voice. Does he have a musical career plan? John, do you know what he plans to do? Yes, he actually had a very nice career going in Israel. He's a classical pianist, but he plays many other genres. So he has a ton of gigs. And don't be shocked if on U.S. 250, July 4th. You might see another rendition of Superman with Alone and John. So we're hoping that comes. That's something to mark down on the calendar. John Androsic, always good to see you, my friend. I'll see you this summer when you're on tour, and I look forward to seeing the July 4th, second miracle happen. That first video is its own miracle. Thank you, John. In addition to the program, I hope you're watching on the Salem News channel, listening to a Salem radio network or one of our radio affiliates across the United States. I'm joined now by Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa. Senator, good to see you again. Our mutual friend, John Androsic, was just on with me, talking about...

His performance of Superman with Ilan, the hostage A-Haul. And I don't know if you've seen the video yet. It's very touching. Have you seen that video yet? Yes, he texted that to me just a couple of days ago. And, wow. I cry. Every, no kidding. And maybe I'm supposed to be a hard-nosed politician. But I think especially when it comes to the hostages and the work that John Androzek has done, as well as so many different Americans in the various groups, helping these hostages, the hostage families. But to see this culminate in such a beautiful... rendition of Superman. It just, it really did bring tears to my eyes. Well, it was fun having John on and tell people, I've reposted it at my website on my ex-acconny. Anyone wants to see it. Senator, you've been involved in two-eye profile hearings. I watched all of the Erdman hearing yesterday, and I had mixed reviews of that. I liked your remarks. I thought Senator Johnson, Senator Josh Hawley, are appropriately outraged. I thought Senator Moody was right to talk about. the free state of florida but i was left wondering who changed the report we got the big reveal that between august 12 and august 17th of 2021 someone in the cia changed their report do we know who changed it yet Well, exactly. That's the question that we are left with. And I was on a local radio station, you know, back home in Iowa, and we were talking about this. And how did it go from one day where the CIA thought it was a lab leak to the very next day, change from, oh, it was naturally occurring? We know that Anthony Fauci had visited with the intelligence community that was revealed in this oversight hearing. but we don't know exactly who changed the report. And so while we've uncovered a number of steps to this lie that was perpetuated out to the American people through the last several years, we still don't know exactly who did it, why they did it. And that's yet to be uncovered. So we didn't get that answer yesterday. The guy I don't suspect is former director William Burns. He's about the only. competent guy in the Biden administration. But he was abroad most of the time. I just don't know. I hope you follow up on it, but certainly frame the question. Today you had Admiral Cooper before the Armed Services. What did you make of his presentation?

Right. And Admiral Cooper is one of the most successful, what we call flag officers, general or admirals, that we have in our United States military force. And he has commanded at all levels and served, of course, as the vice of Central Command before he became the combatant commander. So his presentation was very thoughtful. He leaves the policy decisions to those policy makers coming out of the administration. But he's very thoughtful on military actions and was able to, I believe, to adequately answer all of the questions that were posed by both Democrats and Republicans. So, again, he's a very thoughtful leader. And we're playing the film of the rookie on the committee, Ashley Moody. who asked him, were the Iranians engaging? I did not know that they had attacked American troops 350 times prior to, in the 30 months prior to our initiation of our forces. They kept attacking and attacking. Do you think Iran wanted this? Did they really want us to attack them? I don't know that they wanted us to attack them. But for so long, they have been attacking Americans, American bases. And of course, through the 20 years of the global war on terrorism, we saw United States Americans killed by the very IEDs and other explosive devices that were manufactured by the Iranians. So this is not news to me. I'm very glad that the Admiral fleshed this out in an open hearing. But for those of us that have served in the military and have served on these types of committees, we've known that the Iranians have been coming after Americans for decades now. So thanks to the Admiral for uncovering that. Senator Ernst, you're in your last two years as the United States Senator. You've always been a great proponent of military strength. What are your objectives in the last two years? Is it the NDAA? Is it the appropriation of $1.5 trillion? What's number one on Joni Ernst's to-do list before you retire? When it comes to our military, it is absolutely modernization of the force. So I serve as the chair of the subcommittee on emerging threats and capabilities. And this is where a lot of our modernization goes through, whether it is hypersonic missiles, autonomous vehicles, artificial intelligence, quantum computing, all of that comes through my subcommittee. And this is where we must absolutely stay ahead of our adversaries. So when the president is proposing a $1.5 trillion budget for the Department of Defense, I am supportive of that because we cannot maintain this competitive edge, our military advantage over our adversaries, unless we are properly funding these types of advancements.

China is nipping at our heels, Hugh, and we must stay ahead of them in this arena or we suffer the consequences. You know, I spent lunch hour with Mike Gallagher, former Congressman Gallagher at the Hudson Institute. Herman Con founded it. He believed in superiority, not equality, deterrence by overwhelming force. I do too. I think we still have it, but when you hear Chairman Xi Jinping warn us about Taiwan, do you think he's getting... overconfident his ability right after we wrecked Iran, which was defended in part by Chinese systems and components of systems. This is Chinese posturing, and President Xi Jinping, of course, is going to do that. But what I will say, as has been demonstrated, whether it was Operation Midnight Hammer, Operation Epic Fury, whether it was our raid and capture of Nicholas Maduro, we have demonstrated to the world the might and the skill of America's fighting force. The Chinese have not been exercised to that level for decades now. So we maintain the edge, but, Hugh, we cannot let it slip. We must continue to develop and strengthen our own military. One of your colleagues in the caucus, Susan Collins of Maine, is chair of appropriation. I wouldn't use the word skeptical, but she was probing about that request. Do you think that we have a minute. Do you think the president will get his trillion and a half either? via supplemental or reconciliation or just the ordinary appropriations process? Well, I think we have a fair shot at it. So, yes, I do think it's necessary. And this is the message that we have to communicate to all of the members across the U.S. Congress. And we must be able to explain where those dollars are going. Because just remember, the flip side of this, I am a fiscal hawk when it comes to fraud, waste, and abuse within the federal government. There has been a fair share of that at the Department of Defense. So if we can explain to our taxpayers why we are doing what we're doing with their dollars, then we have a great shot of achieving the president's goal. Senator Ernst, please keep coming back right up to you across the finish line. And there after, always good to see you. Senator Joni Ernst from Iowa on the Armed Services Committee and Homeland Security. Thank you. I'll be right back on the Salem News Channel, Salem Radio Network, and our wonderful affiliate. Welcome back, America. I'm Gu-Guitt. Josh Croshoever joins me. He's editor-in-chief of Jewish Insider. Josh, later in the program, I'll be joined by Aviv Reddy Gore, Michael Oren from Israel. I'm trying to get reaction from Israel to the rape dog story, the idiocy of the New York Times, the Christoph Smear. What's your personal reaction to that even making it into print?

Yeah, it's pretty shocking, Hugh. I mean, I've submitted op-eds that have been published in the New York Times, and let me tell you, it took layers and layers of fact-checking and quality control before even a simple political analysis was able to make it into print. They've known, at least historically have been known for having those types of layers of quality control. So to have such a thinly sourced, obscene document, you know, I know Hugh, you've been talking about all the... kind of obscenities in the column. But one of the things that just stands out to me is that one of the stated sources in the piece is this organization called Euromed Human Rights Monitor, which is a organization whose founder has clear ties to senior Hamas leaders. And they have a long history here of retailing all kinds of obscene claims. blood libelist claims against Israel for many, many years. This is not a new organization. It's been well established. So for that organization specifically to be named in the column and to be listed as a source for some of these most extravagant claims and not get past track check, not get past quality control, it's something I can't ever imagine at a publication like the New York Times. But I guess things aren't like they used to be, Hugh. It really is. They're not. Josh, I'm astonished as well, and it's been debunked, and that doesn't matter because, as Mark Twain famously said, a lie is halfway around the world before Truth gets its boots on. So it's out there, it's in the ether now, and it adds to the anti-Semitism that is growing in as a problem. I will have Avivretti Gour on to talk about Hussein Monsour's view that the Democratic Party has been captured. by the radical left, as has been the New York Times, and the radical left demands homage to being anti-Israel and it's really anti-Semitic. He also, Osamaun Sour, as an Egyptian, predicts, it will mean the end of the Democratic Party's ability to win national elections because it's weird and radical, and that's not America. Do you share that optimistic take? Well, I think in swing districts and swing states and the ability to hold power, that may be the case. But I just wrote today, Hugh, about... four different house races in the cup. Forget about the big Senate races we've talked about, the Michigan race, the main race, Graham Platner. There are four house races coming up in the next couple months where the frontrunner or leading candidate for the nomination is a out-and-out DSA member or DSA endorsed candidate. DSA is the Democratic Socialists of America. And these candidates, all you have to do is look at the platform in these different cities and the national platform. I mean, it's outright anti-Semitic. It's extreme as it gets. It's also defund the police. It's also, you know, let's not have any borders. I mean, there are all kinds of very exotic and radical positions. But on the...

question of anti-Semitism in Israel. I mean, I think most of the, if you just look at their material, you will find it's objectively anti-Semitic. And yet there's nothing being done in these safe democratic seats to stop or, you know, check the power of these DSA-aligned candidates into higher office. In my, you know, I'm right outside of Washington, Hugh, the leading candidate for mayor of Washington, D.C., a woman by the name of Janice Lewis George, is a D.S.A. endorsed candidate. against the more moderate business-oriented candidate. But I don't think we really appreciate how quickly, you know, this fringe has taken over parts of the Democratic Party, especially in cities and very deep blue precincts in the country. And it really is showing itself when it comes to anti-Semitism Israel, but it's also true of a whole lot of other issues that are not going to be palatable to your average swing voter. No, I've spent a couple of... segments over this week trying to educate people on the Dreyfus Affair, because I think the Christoph column is the American Dreyfus Affair. And it's not going to take 10 years to get justice for the people smeared here. It's already been done. But that radical fringe doesn't want justice. They want power. And they're going to win those four congressional seats. And they might be mayor of D.C., just like Zohran Mamdani is anti-Semitic, and he won in New York. However... There is a limit in America where all of a sudden the bounce back, the blowback is enormous against Democrats everywhere. How close are we to that limit? Well, if you're in a blue state or a blue city, it's one party rule. Look at California. Look at New York and the fact that no one. really felt they could have a chance at defeating a more moderate, I would say, or more liberal, but more establishment-oriented Democrat, and Governor Kathy Hochul, at least Elise Stefanik, looked at that race and ended up not pursuing it. We are so polarized here. We're so partisan that, you know, you have one-party rule in blue states and, yes, red states as well. So there's less, the fewer swing districts, there are fewer battleground states. And that makes it harder for, I mean, yes, these types of ideas are purely toxic in those states. in a safe enough state or district, all you have to do is win the primary, and that's enough. And, you know, there are a number of these, there's a guy in the city of Philadelphia. This is a congressional seat in downtown Philadelphia where the leading candidate right now is a guy who reposted an item on Instagram thinking that the Pam Bondi Beach terrorist attack that killed 14 Jews in Australia was a false flag perpetrated by Zionists. That is the next congressman, potentially. So, John, my argument is that's good. I mean, it makes you crazy, but it defines the Democratic Party as the party of crazies. And blue states will have maps like Massachusetts and Tennessee, all blue and all red. But there are more red states, and by a healthy majority, Americans reject hate. I really do think it's 90-10, 95-5. I am optimistic that the alarm is sounding now about these crazy people. But you're Jewish, I'm not. Are you optimistic?

I am optimistic when you talk about America at large. I am more pessimistic when it comes to just because of social media and how people get otherwise, like someone like Nick Christoph could fall for the most obscene of old school anti-Semitism and not have any, you know, be so credulous when people like that are buying some of the worst anti-Semitic hate. That's what scares me. And that's happening increasingly in these very deep blue precincts where there's no actual conversation taking place. It's all echo chambers on social media or within your own little precincts. It is a mind virus. Anti-Zemitism has always been a mind virus. And no one's immune, not even columnist, like Nick Kristoff. It does present everyone who works for the New York Times with a moral dilemma. because they're peddling the same sort of hatred that the Nazis peddled, so they have to decide whether or not they want to stay with the paper. Josh Kroshauer, thank you for being my guest. Followed Josh on Exit Josh Kroshauer. Come right back. Lots more ahead on the U.S. Show. This is the Thursday of the week in which Nick Christoph, a long time and now former friend of the program, set his reputation on fire and branded himself as an anti-Semite, the equal of any nearables could have wished for. And I'm joined now by a former ambassador of Israel in the United States, Dr. Michael Oren, founder of the Israel Advocacy Forum. Dr. Oren, I am not surprised by anti-Semitism when I run into it. I am surprised when I run into it informally smart people. who've got the mind virus. To what do you attribute this? Because Nick Christoph was a moderate man of the left who's now slid into the worst tropes of anti-Semitic excess. What happened? Well, I think that that article was the product of several processes that go back, and some of them can be traced back to the youth rebellion of the 1960s, which took over campuses and educated generation after generation of students, particularly in the elite universities, to hate America, hate the West, to hate Israel, and perforce hate the Jews. That's one process. The other process is the New York Times, New York Times which has set out assiduously since the time when I was ambassador. We're talking about now over the course of 15 years assiduously to chip away at Israel's legitimacy and through countless articles. It was my successor in Washington, Ron Dermer, who talked about 10 years ago at the New York Times becoming a cesspool of anti-Semitism. That was 10 years ago. And why the New York Times has done this? Because the York Times represents that cadre of New York elite, many of them Jewish, by the way, who are not friends of the Jewish state, not Zionists, and go away back. This is the same New York Times that wouldn't report on the Holocaust, if you remember. So the Holocaust was too Jewish for that. That's that process.

And then that is what's happening within the Democratic Party. And you have to understand that the New York Times is basically a wing of the Democratic Party where anti-Semitism has proceeded and deepened unchecked. Unchecked. There's no equivalent to Ted Cruz in the Democratic Party. There's no one's calling out the party and telling them to stop. So anti-Semitism is advancing unchecked. And now in order to be a candidate within the Democratic Party, you have to say, well, I'm going to cut off aid to Israel. You have to cut off trade with China, which puts a million Muslims in concentration camps. No, only the Jewish state. And you won't accept money from any lobby in Washington. And as you know, there are thousands of Washington lobbies. You can take it from the government lobby, the backhoe lobby, any lobby you just can't take it from the lobby that supports the one and only Jewish state. That by definition. It's anti-Semitism. You've got a party there that's running a card-carrying anti-Semite for the Senate in Michigan. Another candidate wears it in Maine with a Nazi tattoo on his chest. This is the Democratic Party today, and this is what the New York Times writes for. So is that. But this takes it to a different level, Hugh. As you know, the average op-ed in New York Times, and God knows I've written dozens and dozens of them, is about 7,800 words. They're very strict about their word limit. This article was something in the order of 5,000 to 6,000 words and based entirely on sources known to have ties to Hamas or rabidly anti-Israel. And because it's an op-ed, they don't have any responsibility for actually checking on the sources. And it was posted literally a day before the Israeli government came out with its report on rape as a sexual weapon used by Hamas on October 7th and after. So it was designed to torpedo Israel's report and basically said, well, you know, Hamas used rape only on one day, but Israel uses rape as a weapon every day. That was the message. So that is the big picture. I'm sorry for going on, but why is this fundamentally, fundamentally anti-Semitic? It's because anti-Semitism, Hugh, always portrays Jews as the worst enemy of any society. So if you're a capitalist, the Jews are going to be communist. You're a communist. The Jews are going to be communists. If you're an internationalist, they're going to be nationalists and vice going on. The Jewish state has been accused in recent years of racism, colonialism, apartheid. And the worst thing they could have said was genocide. There's only one thing that's actually worse than genocide. And that is systematic state-run rape. That's it. You can't get any lower than that because that's totally irredeemable. And what this is about is anti-Semitism at the most, at the profoundest level. And the United States, the Benjamin Netanyahu and our foreign minister get on the side have announced that they will now sue the New York Times for liable. I ardently hope, ardently hope that they sue them for a billion dollars. And when this article leads to violence, people getting hurt and perhaps worse, God forbid, I hope the families of those victims will sue the New York Times for a billion dollars because the New York Times has blood on his hands.

Dr. Warren, you know, the standard is, and by the way, I think they can meet the standard, reckless disregard for the truth or simple understanding that you know that it's not true. This is recklessly indifferent to the truth because, as I think everyone now knows who's investigated, and I don't go too deep into this because children might be listening, dog rape is impossible, and the allegation ought never to have made it in, and the other sources ought to have been investigated. What is shocking to me, not Hasan Piker. Hasan Piker is a dummy. A lot of anti-Semites are dummies. I mean, ignorant, stupid people. That's not Nick Kristop. So this mind virus is spreading. Even Rahm Emanuel signed on to the no arms for Israel. It's like the entry ticket. You've got to have punched to get in the Democratic Party now. How long can a party exist if they've gone full anti-Semite? Well, I want to quote an interesting source for the Democratic Party, and that is Ted Cruz, and what he has said to the Republican Party, that anti-semitism will destroy the party from within, and ultimately will destroy the nation. That has been the record of anti-semitism throughout history. And Ted is exactly right. And I would hope that Rahm Emanuel, somebody in the Democratic Party, would grow a pair, I think I'd say this on this program, and stand up and say enough, that this is going to lead to bloodshed. And it's a lead to our destruction as a party, perhaps of the nation itself. But certainly, certainly, it's going to lead to violence against American Jews. It's already happened. Those people, those synagogues that have attacked, the Jews have been killed, have been killed by people saying, you know, Palestine, free Palestine from the river to the sea, right? It's all connected somehow to anti-Zionism. People can still insist that somehow anti-Zionism is separate, distinguishable from anti-Semitism. It is not. There are no. campus protests against the Russia's invasion of Ukraine, no campus protests against the actual genocides in the Sudan and the Yemen, only against the Jewish state. It is all these roads lead to one thing. Hatred of Jews. Hey, Judge of Jew. So let me bring this to the personal level. I am reading Nicholas Lemmon's very wonderful memoir of growing up Jewish in New Orleans, and it's called Returning. And it's a fabulous memoir. He works for the New Yorker. He was the dean emeritus, or he is the dean of emeritus. I know Nick will. So Nicholas knows, Nick, and he's Jewish, what do you do at a personal level when you find out your friend or colleague is an anti-Semite? Well, here, I'm going to quote is, you know, they're anti-Semitic, you know, in effect, maybe not intent. If you were to say the Nicholas Phillips of, hey, you are an anti-Semite, you are a true Jew hater, he would deny it to the high heavens. But it doesn't matter. If he's sprouting anti-Semitism, I don't know what's in his heart. It's irrelevant what's in his heart, which is, which will be his responsibility and his culpability will be, you know, the madman who reads his article and then decides to go into a synagogue and shoot up a bunch of Jews. You know, he's not answering his critics, ambassador. He's trying to turn the page over on his ex-account. He's writing about other stuff.

He'll never turn the page. It's indelible. But again, if you're his friend or colleague, do you say to him, I can't be with you. You are an anti-Semite, whether or not you understand that. Is that what people ought to do? I've done it already, and it is, by the way, gut-wrenching. I've lost some very dear friends over the course of the last two and a half years, precisely, precisely for this reason. that I will not maintain their friendship with someone who accuses Israel of training dogs to rape Palestinian prisoners or any of the other totally heinous liables that they have been thrown at us. And yes, it is painful, but you do it. Of course you do it. And I just had one thing. You know, I wrote a memoir several years ago called Ally. Oh, it's a great memoir. The Jewish joke is now available at families of reduced prices. I wrote about growing up as the only Jewish kid in a Catholic neighborhood and getting beat up for killing Jesus. And when I published it, many of my Jewish friends said to me, well, I don't get this. There's no anti-Semitism in America. I'd never experienced anti-Semitism. And nobody says that anymore. And the book, you know, I don't want to seal that I feel vindicated in some way. But it is personally... exquisitely painful for me to having grown up with anti-Semitism, having come to Israel in a way in response to that, and then to see my people infused, infused with anti-Semitism, surrounded with it in this way. Now, I have made the argument this way. It's our Dreyfus affair. It's the moment where someone has to stand up and say Jacques Hughes, and I don't know who Arzola is. It might be Ted Cruz. Do you expect any American to rebuke him who's not Jewish? It would be, I would lose it in the Democratic Party. I mean, for Ted Cruz to do that, he's done it. You know, Lindsey Graham has done it. I want to see somebody who hasn't done it, stand up and say, okay, enough is enough. And, you know, I have a, I've always had a relationship with Rahm Emanuel. We worked very closely together. And as somebody who, you know, his father fought for Israel's independence in 1948 and has an Israeli name and claims to have served in the Israeli army, I would hope that Rahm would stand up in. say enough is enough. And I hope it starts soon. That was the Rubicon in the New York Times by Nick Christophe. Ambassador Michael Oren, thank you. Follow him on exit. DR. Michael Oren, Dr. Michael Oren. Follow me in the next segment on today's You Do It Show.

Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. Let's lighten things up for at least five minutes. My friend Vic Mattis is the number two over at the Washington Free Beacon, the Culture and Arts Editor, the Weekender, is also the co-host of the Getting Hammered podcast, which is endlessly entertaining this week because Vic is teaching his daughter to drive. Now, Vic, I did that three times. And as the dad, of course, you have to do it. And I always began in the school parking lot. I gather you chose to begin on the Beltway. That's not a good idea. No, we did not begin at the Beltway. This is very funny. The first time I drove with my daughter, it was actually in a church school parking lot around the corner just to get, you know, for... be able to sort of, you know, negotiate turns and practice things like parking and making, going in circles, really, and just repeating it over and over again. But I seem to have infinitely more patience with my daughter than my wife does. And so that's fine. I can deal with that. She knows when I start to get loud, she handles that. She takes that in stride. So she does okay. But again, it's the things like talking and driving at the same time that are a little bit tricky for her. Now, I want to know in the modern America world, a lot of kids don't even learn to drive. They don't want to drive. They'd rather be on their phones. How are you communicating to her that she can never look at her phone when she drive, ever? Well, the first thing we tell her is to never look at her phone ever when she drives. I mean, that's about it. Like I said, when we went out to Middleburg, we didn't even listen to music. I mean, the very thought of her thinking about wanting to change a station or commenting and being distracted by a song that she likes, it was not worth the risk. And, you know, one of our greatest concerns, of course, is being, you're young, you're excited. If you're one of the first of your group of friends to be able to drive and you want to take your friends around, that could be a recipe for, you know, an accident. So, you know, I think there are laws on the books, at least here in Virginia, where you're not allowed to take more than one person not in your family. So that's what we have going for us in our favor. And other than that, we just tell her, really, let everyone else look at their phones, but you need to really look around. Look at signs. I mean, that's the next thing she needs to do is look at the signs, you know? But, I mean, there's a lot going on. And as Mary Catherine said, we tend to take that for granted. Oh, I know. I love that. We tend to take the granted we know how to use the bathroom when we're trying to do toilet training with a two-year-old. Ditto with a 15-year-old is driving. I just want to say one more thing, 10 and 2 o'clock, of course. But you mentioned in passing that she would be getting the car that is your car. Look, Dad. Yeah. Why don't you just stay in that car and get her a new car? I'm not going to get her a new car and watch the value of that go down. This is a leased car that already has, you know, a few dings here and there because of, you know, really tight spaces in my parking garage. No, she's getting the fancy Subaru legacy. That's what she's getting in a beautiful gray, you know, just the color a young girl wants. No, so she's going to get that. And Hugh, you mentioned 10 and 2. You're not going to believe this. The new rule now is 8 and 4. And the reason for that is aired.

The reason for that is airbags, apparently. Airbags will break your arms in half if you're at 10 and 2. Yes. Boy, am I dating myself? By the way, what happened to driver's ed? It used to be high school that they would, you know, you had to hire a driver instructor, take driver's ed. Is that gone? No, I mean, she has a class in her school as well. And in addition to that, you have to get 40 hours in. And I think something like 11 or 12 hours at night. I mean, you know, where are you going at night? That's what I want to know. Where you're going? Yes, she suggests going on that Dulles Road, the road to Dulles Airport, because there's very little traffic at night. So we can probably do that. Wow. All right. Now I want to switch to serious stuff. I've talked with Michael Oren about the Nicholas Christoph column. Have he ready gurus coming up later this hour, most of next hour. That's a bigger, longer discussion. Headline, Israel to sue New York Times, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Foreign Minister Gideon Tsar say, peace by columnist Nicholas Christoph is, quote, one of the most hideous and distorted lies ever published against the state of Israel in the modern press. What do you make of it? What do you do if you have the desks next to Nick Christop, though there are probably no more desks at the New York Times? Yeah, I mean, this is the question of, you know, what did they know and when did they know it? In terms of the New York Times editorial process, as you know, having an op-ed, which this story appeared as, right? This isn't breaking news. This isn't the front page. This is opinion. And the question is, well, of its opinion. We're not going to go through the same fact-checking operation that we do for a news story. It still gets fact-checked, but slightly differently or whatever it is that Mr. Statlander over there at the New York Times explains. That's kind of a problem. And as we know, the timing is an issue, Hugh. Israel is about to come out with a report about the abuses that took place under Hamas after October 7 and the treatment of Israeli hostages, and it's horrific. It's not a coincidence that this story by Nicholas Christoph alleging that prisoners are being, you know, violated by animals trained by the Israelis. which on the face of it just seems absurd. And Eli Lake is written about this, obviously, in the free press. We have written about a number of these issues at the Washington Freebeek and ourselves. And Iris Stoll has a piece out today that is relevant to it as well. There are a lot of questions. I don't know if Nicholas Christoph gets in any trouble for it, though.

Well, he's not going to. They can't back down. But he might suffer social costs. He ought to. He'll never be back on this show unless he repudiates what he wrote. And that doesn't bother him probably. He's probably sold enough books. He's my age. He can retire. But I just think it's unfortunate that a pretty good writer with a pretty good reputation torched it. just to join the end crowd of anti-Semites. Now, let me ask you an editorial. I've never been an editor, right? You know, I edit student papers, but that's not. You are an editor, the Culture and Arts Program, and you do the book reviews, and you do a lot of editing. If something comes across your desk and a ridiculous claim is made, absurd of its face, what do you do with it? Do you call, like, a vet? Dog rate. It's just the stupidest thing it ought to set off 100 alarms. You have to really set apart your biases, Hugh, because, you know, you'll come across stories that you, you know, we all have very strong opinions and strong feelings about different things that are happening in the world. And sometimes you come across something that you so badly want to be true because you feel a certain way about, you know, one faction or another. And this is clearly what happened, I think, at the times, because this is such an incredible story and wouldn't be so wonderful to publish the story to humiliate the Israelis and to show the world that they have some managed to train, you know, these dogs to become rapists. And that's just not how it works. And if something like that, you know, comes to my attention, I've been an editor now for, you know, decades. The first thing you want to know is, okay, who are the people who are feeding you this story? That's the first thing. How many of these people can you get on the record? And then you have to vet it yourself. You always have to be wary about the sources and, you know, the spin that they're trying to – they have their own agenda. Everyone has their own agenda, Hugh. And you have to make sure that they're just not throwing stuff up on the wall and seeing what sticks. Because if it doesn't stick – your name and your reputation is on the line. Not theirs. They just move on to the next thing. But, you know, tips come in all the time and you got to vet them. And I think they were way too excited to do a thorough vetting of this. It's clear because it's absurd, and it's already been debunked. Victorino Mattis on X, also at the free beacon, and of course on getting hammered. Enjoy the one that came out before this abysmal abomination was vomited up. So go and listen to the getting hammered when it was happy times. Thank you, Vic. I'll be right back. America, stay tuned. Welcome back, America. I'm Hugh. For many months now, you've heard me talking about our sponsor Americans for prosperity and their effort in this, our 250th birthday year, to get people to take one small step towards becoming better Americans honoring liberty. In fact, they have the website A250 Toolkit.com slash Hugh, A250 Toolkit.com slash Hugh to get involved. People who don't need to be encouraged are veterans. I'm pleased to honor and welcome onto the program, John Vic. John is the executive.

Director of Concern Veterans for America. John, when I read your bio, I was kind of astonished because you're enlisted as a Marine after 9-11. You deployed as a Marine, then you came and Mustanged over to the United States Naval Academy, then you deployed again. What's the backstory there? Well, how did they get you to leave being a Marine? I married the daughter of a Marine, and then go to the Academy. I've got a son-in-law as anapolis grad. How'd that happen? Unexpectedly. Yeah, no, it's not too much, actually. I wanted to be in the Navy, specifically to be a Navy officer since about fourth grade. 9-11 happened when I was in high school, and I was growing up in Texas at the time, and just about everybody was joining the Marines. And so went ahead and did that, wouldn't trade it for the world, but eventually ended up in the Navy where I expected. Well, I have had a number of people over the 25 years of this program who served in Anbar Province, who served in both theaters as you have. And I'm curious, what would you say to them about celebrating the last full measure of devotion, their fallen comrades, this year, especially in our 250th? What ought Americans to do? What ought your fellow veterans to do this year? Yeah, so one of the reasons why I became involved with Concern Veterans for America, and I'm the executive director now, is that, you know, CVA, we are always in the fight, but we're also not a rage bait machine, right? We fight for American principles, and we understand that there is nothing that is wrong with America that cannot be solved by what is right with America. And I think Memorial Day is a fantastic time to reflect upon the same incredible gift that we all share. And also realize that that gift was not free. Our inalienable rights have to be defended by every generation. And that is something that veterans very uniquely understand. You know, John, one of the small steps I would suggest to people, if there's a veteran cemetery near you, whether it's Riverside, California, or I go to Arlington when my wife and I are in the Beltway, we walk over there, takes a few small steps to get around Arlington. Do you encourage civilians to do that? Because that really does bring it home, especially on Memorial Day. I do. I do. And, you know, I would say in my own veteran experience, Memorial Day becomes more and more impactful every year. I mean, everybody, most people know that Memorial Day commemorates those that have made the ultimate sacrifice, meaning that they died in defense of our nation. But it's, you know, Memorial Day does not just honor a death, right? It honors this unfathomable sacrifice of a person's future in the countless moments and contributions that they will not be able to make. for our society because they were defending our society. And you don't really think of it like that in your 20s. So I do think it is good for the soul and the mind to go and appreciate the cost that was paid so that we can now defend the rights and liberties and the futures that we all want. Now, we are actually in a battle as we speak. There is a ceasefire, but it's not going to hold. It hasn't held. We're in a war. What is your advice to civilians who don't know much about war? You know it very well. on commenting about the war before, and especially in a polarized environment like that we're in right now.

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Welcome back, America. I'm Duke Hewitt. As promised, I'm joined now by Haviv Rettig Gore. Haviv is the Middle East correspondent for the free press. He is also the proprietor of a substack, Havivir.com. He has his Patreon community under Haviv Redig Gore. You can follow him on X at Haviv Reddig Gore. He has also got the Ask Haviv Anything podcast, which led to this show a week ago today. Haviv put out a long interview with Hussein Mansour. Mansour is a fellow with the Institute for the Global for the study of global anti-Semitism and policy. I had not ever heard of this institute before, Haviv, and I missed your earlier interviews with Hussein. Have many people told you this was eye-opening for them because it was very eye-opening for me? He talked about the Democratic Party and what he perceives as a surrender by the Democratic Party elites to the radical left. And he's a fascinating guy. He's Egyptian born. He fled Egypt. He thinks sort of radical thoughts in terms of Arab intellectuals. And he has been at many, I think now he's affiliated with Jensa, which is the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs in America. I think the A is America in Washington. A brilliant thinkers, serious guy. His substack is very intellectual. He has argued many things, and among them is that this happens often in left-wing movements, where you'll have a center left, and there'll be a radical wing. And the radical wing keeps coming in, keeps invading, keeps taking over the institutions that slow march through the institutions that we've seen in the Democratic Party. He thinks it models exactly what happened to the socialists. in the 1930s, what happened to the French left after Algeria, and just example after example after example. It's something the left is particularly susceptible to and has been for two centuries. And his argument is the establishment thinks that it's throwing Israel to the left and the left is going to be satisfied. But in fact, it's not going to be satisfied because it's not about Israel. It's about elite takeovers. It's about one elite switching out another. And so that's his message, his warning. to the sort of mainline Democratic Party leadership. I don't think the Democrats are going to listen, but I think the rest of us are going to understand what's happening when everything plays out the way he expected to, you know, over the next 15 years. That was what was so bracing for me. That's on my trundle, right? I'm inside the bellway, and I'm trundling along, and I'm listening to this fellow I've never heard of, Hussein months who are talking to Haviv, and I always listen to every ask Haviv anything. And he diagnoses what's going on inside the Democratic Party. Now, Americans aren't really that political. They're not like Israelis. They're not talking politics all the time unless they happen to be in the Beltway. And we're very pragmatic.

We love a carnival. We love the circus. We're the culture that invented the Survivor's show. We don't want to live it. We want to watch it. We've watched it for 20 seasons. We're in the 20th season of Survivor. We love game shows. Does Israel have game shows and soap operas, by the way, Haviv? Do you guys go for that? We have soap operas, and they're quite, well, I mean, you're putting me out on the spot to badmouth my people, but they're terrible. They're really quite awful. And we don't really have games. We have wonderful comedy. Our comedy shows are second to non-parody shows, news parodies, and things like that. But you're more news. And I think you're far more political. I mean, more. serious conversation about politics in Israel per capita than the United States. Would you agree with that? Yeah, there was a famous moment where I believe it was Began, I think, met with Nixon, if I'm not mistaken. And Nixon says to him, I'm the president of 150 million people or whatever it was at the time. And Began said, you think that's hard. I'm the prime minister of three and a half million prime ministers. So, yes, Israelis are very, very engaged politically. By the way, for generations, Israelis have had among the highest voter turnouts in elections. not so much in the last 20 years since the second intifada, since a little bit of a kind of breakdown of our politics, but before that for generations, some of the highest in the West. Well, this is a bit of a tease for next hour. Habib's coming back and he's going to talk to us about Franz Fanon and what has happened over and over again. It's really since the French Revolution. The left insists on revolution. Violence occurs. Violence is embraced. Violence is glorified. And then violence eats whatever is left. and you end up with a Napoleon or whatever is the modern Arab dictator. I believe Algeria is the case study that you and Hussein Mansour used. But is that a fair, we'll start with Franz Fanon next hour. Is that a fair summary of the argument? There's a cycle here. And the American Democratic Party has been caught up in that cycle. Yeah. And ironically, in history, it often involved the Jews. The French, for example, the German socialists didn't have anything special against the Jews. Some were anti-Semites. Some were not. It wasn't important to their politics. They had to deal with all kinds of socialist problems, workers and wages and things like that. But the nationalists of Germany were obsessed with the Jews. And at some point, the horseshoe theory, right?

far right and far left are the same working class that have the same basic needs and critiques of the existing order. And so socialists to win elections needed to concede on the Jewish question. And they thought they would feed the far right the Jewish question, and then they could get on with their socialist politics. And what ended up happening was that the Jewish question, once they gave into it and went anti-Semitic formally, or agreed to that agenda with the far right, it just took over all of German politics, and there was nothing left. And so the left is often finds itself conceding to various radicals and often finds itself with nothing left once it's conceded. And the objectivity that comes from having two non-Americans talk about American politics, specifically the Democratic Party, is bracing. I don't know which one of you said it, but the statement was made, how many have given in to anti-Zionism as the price of admission to the Democratic elite? Answer, everyone, everyone from Ro Khanna to Rahm Emanuel have conceded. anti-Zionism, which is really anti-Semitism dressed up for consumption in the 21st century. Don't go anywhere, America. I'm coming right back to close this hour out. And Aviv is going to come back at the start of the next hour. I'm going to go deep. And you're going to have to learn about Franz Fanon and this theory of violence because it really is eye-opening on the Green Red Alliance because all the violence in the Middle East in the last 30 months. came from the green side, the Islamist, 10-7, the January massacre in Iran. But the theory of the violence that drove it that Khomeini brought to Iran and that he exported Hamas or Hamas got from the Muslim Brotherhood, it's all been around before. And it's haunting. Thank you for listening to highly concentrated Hugh. And don't forget one of our great sponsors is Consumer Cellar. 1-800-4-1-4-4-1-8-4-1-4-1-4-4-4-4-4-4-4-4. When you call them, and you should, because you should want to save money, make sure you use my promo code, Hugh Hewitt-U-G-H, you'll get your second month free. if and when you switch to consumer cellular, whatever plan you switch with, you'll get your second month for free. I want you to call and investigate because you're probably paying too much for whatever you're doing right now with consumer cellular. Or you can go online, consumercellular.com slash you. They've got great plans for every kind of person and every kind of data usage. However, they really target people who are 50 years and older. Listen to this. You get a single line with consumer cellular with unlimited talk, text, and data for just $35 a month. That's a single line, if you're 50 years and older, with unlimited talk, text, and data for just $355 a month when you call Consumer Cellular, 800, 411, 44, and everybody, it can be under 50, you can be over 50, everybody gets their second month free when you use my name, Hugh.

Great, America. Welcome to Hour 3 of today's Thursday, Huguenot Show. As promised last hour, Haviv Reddy Gore, is back. Haviv, I'm going to reintroduce you because some stations in the United States leave off after hour two and some pick up with hour three. Haviv is the Middle East editor for the free press. He is the proprietor of the Ask Haviv Anything podcast. You have a new substack. Havivgur.substack.com. There's a Patreon community, and he's been a frequent guest on the Hugh Hewitt show, and I don't miss any of his podcast. And the one that came out last Thursday, and the timing matters, because it came out before Nick Christoph. did his abominable thing. And in that Thursday podcast, as I said last hour if you were listening, and I'll repeat this hour in case you were, Havid was talking with Hussein Mansour of the Institute for the Study of Global Anti-Semitism and Policy. And Hussein posited that the Democratic left in America has demanded that all Democrats bend the knee at the idol of anti-Zionism. and that they embrace the violence that goes along with that, and that every Democrat who wants to be in the elite has to concede that ground and that they have. And then they went into the history of that occurring elsewhere over and over again. So now I want to go to Algeria in our longest segment. And I want to give you the floor to explain what happened in Algeria and how Franz Fanon took the Algerian experience in turning into a theory. When I studied political theory, I didn't get past Machiavelli. We stopped in the 15th century. And so I read the ancients. I didn't care about guys who were writing in the 50s. I never cared about Herman Marcusa or any of these people. But I guess I have to care about Fanon. Tell us about... his belief, how it played out in Algeria, what he took away from the Algerian Civil War. The Algeria story is a story of a classic anti-colonial struggle. The French had begun settling Algeria roughly around 1830. In 1954, 124 years, there were well over a million French citizens, white French Europeans in Algeria, entire cities. Algeria was actually a department of the French Republic. It had representation of the Parliament in Paris. But the French never gave citizenship to the Muslims of Algeria, who probably outnumbered the French in Algeria, four to one, five to one.

And in 1954, the various, several of the political factions, of the social organizations of Algerian Muslims gathered together and formed the National Liberation Front, the FLN, which is the acronym in French, so the letters are out of order. And they launched an eight-year independence war, is how they thought of it. And it was brutal terrorism. It was, you know, the shootings in cities, blowing up cafes, murdering families who went to the beach. It was this intense campaign of terrorism. The French responded with a massive military crackdown. It's eight years, sometimes more intense, sometimes less. It's big. It's complicated. They hit out in Morocco occasionally. The FLN would go to different areas. They rolled up some terror networks in Paris. But the long story short of it is that the mass terror war for eight years succeeded. And the French, even though the French military won every battle, every engagement, every meeting in the desert with FLN commandos, the French soldiers successfully defeated them. But France lost. France in 1962, almost overnight, very, very quickly, over a million people got on a boat and literally just left the country. People who had nowhere to go. You couldn't, you know, house a million people suddenly in Paris. And Algerie French, this 130-year colonization project that was literally a voting district of the French Republic, disappeared, evaporated. And the FLN became heroes, became a kind of model for what we call anti-colonial struggle or anti-imperial struggle. Franz Fanon was a Martinique psychiatrist from Martinique, who came to Algeria, volunteered with the FLN as a doctor, and wrote a book called The Wretched of the Earth. This book, more than any other single text, probably. is the foundation stone, the crucible of the modern academic humanities sort of radical left. In other words, when you looked at the universities and you say, why are they this radical? What happened to them? What do they think they see? Where's the oppressor-oppressed kind of construct come from that has taken over so much of democratic politics and so much of the democratic socialism of America, of how Zohran Mamdani sees the world? start with the wretched of the earth by Franz Fanon. And among the things that he claims there, for example, he claims that colonialism creates a two-tier system. And that two-tier system is inherently violent. And so violence is mandatory by the colonized against the colonizer in order to restore the human dignity to re-humanize the dehumanized colonized. In other words, this violence turns the colonizer is the subject of history, is the driver of history, makes all the decisions of history.

The colonized, usually the brown person, the Algerian Muslim for the purposes of this discussion, is the object that the colonizer does whatever they want with. Well, to reclaim yourself, your role, your humanity, and being the subject of history, to have agency and decide where history goes for you, you have to resort to massive violence. And so Fanon is an ideology that in the Algerian context is, you know, It's a real moral argument. The French attempt to suppress the revolt, the independence war, probably killed half a million Algerian Muslims. It was brutal and it was long. And Fanon's interpretation of it maybe was fair. But the construct of it became a kind of model for every single other conflict in every single other place. And so when they talk about Israel as being a colonizer, that comes into action with PLO language in 1964. The PLO, Palestine Liberation Organization, is founded in Cairo. It's part of an Arab League thing. It's a Soviet thing a little bit. It's different Palestinian factions competing with each other. There's a lot happening there all at once. But the basic idea is the Palestine Liberation Organization, through massive sustained terror, will do to the colonizer Jews what the FLN did two years earlier, 18 months earlier, so massively successful, so miraculously successfully, to the colonizing French. And so that's the model, and that's what people are talking about when they're talking about decolonizing the humanities, decolonizing Palestine. They're talking about the Algeria war. So when they take that construct, when Fanon articulates that, does it in his mind and the minds of his adherence justify 10-7? Is that okay? Because the people in Gaza have been, even though you left Gaza, Israel left Gaza, they were nevertheless occupied since 1967 before you left. And so they're still colonized people suffering. Does that justify the rampage and the violence of 10-7? Orphanon violence was cleansing? Violence was unifying. Violence was rehumanizing. There is no way to deal with the colonizer except through violence. And violence was redemptive in that sense. And he was, again, he was a psychiatrist. He had a very psychological view of this. The colonized, in order to gain the ability to believe that they deserve to be masters of their own nation, of their own domain, have to do a violence that humanizes them and equalizes them with the colonizer. And so...

I don't know what Franz Fanon himself would have said. By the way, his goal was that the final result nation that would come after decolonization would be a kind of egalitarian democracy. That's not anything like what any of these decolonizing societies became. Algeria became a mess and tyrannical and a disaster. And he also warned that this violence could also bode ill for that future Algeria. What would he have made of 10-7? I don't know. But I can tell you that the theory absolutely celebrates violence and brutality. And the brutality is the cleansing force, is what makes you human again, because it makes you equal to the other side. That is a deeply entrenched idea buried in the psyche of Hamas and of Arab thinkers and specifically Palestinian thinkers since the 60s. This sort of sanctifying, sacralizing. By the way, it doesn't hurt that it meshes very, very easily with Islamic ideas of holy violence and holyly war. Under the framework of jihad and under other frameworks, for example, Hamas argues that Palestine is something called waqf, which is... This is literally in its 1988 charter after its founding in 1987, which is a trust. It is a Muslim trust land. In other words, the entirety of everything that is Israel and the entirety of, you know, West Bank, Gaza, everything that they claim is an Islamic trust that it is forbidden in Islamic law. It is not Spain, which you conquered and left, and maybe you'll conquer again someday. It is Islamic trust that you are forbidden to compromise on. And so all of these beliefs come together. to turn violence into the heart and soul of the project. I will come back with part two, because that brings us up to 10-7. But now we also have January 2026 to deal with in Iran. And then we have what's going on in America, the Democratic elite, the Christoph column. We'll get to it all in the next three segments right here on the Hugh Hewitt Show with Havi Reddy Gore. Stay tuned.

Welcome back, America. You have, if you've listened to me for a long time, you know who Lawrence Wright is, you know what the looming tower is, you know who Said Khatub is, and the Muslim Brotherhood, and under the shade of the Quran, and milestones. You know all about that, but maybe you don't know about Franz Fanon. The red side of the Green Alliance. You'll know about the Green Alliance. The genius of Tom Homan. the evil genius of the first Ayatollah of the two Ayatollahs who have ruled Iran as dictator since 1979, is he took the red and emerged the green, and he took over Iran, and Iran has supported every revolutionary violent movement in the Middle East since then, including the terror that was on Israel's northern border, on Israel's southern border, and now the Houthis. So... How does a phenonist or a green-red alliance person explain what Iran did to their own people in January? Haviv Redi Gore. Yeah. Gee, not only can they not explain it, they deliberately have needed, and you see this in all kinds of journalists, you know, guardian columnists and people on the deep left in the West who had to argue that there's no proof that anybody was killed, that Iranians were killed by the regime, that it's all propaganda and it's all this and all that. They not only can't explain it in the context of Khomein and in the context of the Shia, the whole argument. which is the merger of Shia theology and communist ideas. Lenin's, you know, 1919 argument that imperialism is the natural evolution of capitalism. He wrote this little pamphlet about that that's very accessible. People can read it. So this merger of like this Leninist-Maoist idea that Fanon carries forward into a specific Algerian example. And the Shia concept. that the Shia believe in this foundational battle that happened in 680 at Karbalah in Iraq, in which the proper heir to Muhammad, Imam Hussein, was killed by the powerful but evil usurper to the leadership of the Muslims, the Khalif Yazid. That is how the Shia believe it. And the powerful defeated... The weak but true, the honest, the authentic believers. And that sounds like a terrible loss. But in fact, that is the beginning of the redemption arc of the world, because the fall of Hussein, the death of Hussein, produced the entire Shia tradition, which we carry forward today, they say. And in that, they model how martyrdom, our death, our willingness to die. Even if we lose this battle and we are killed, we will spawn new generations who will carry the fight until our ultimate victory. What Khomeini did was two things. He took, you know, communism posits class war, right? So there's a powerful elite, and then there is the proletariat underneath, and there's a necessary revolution, and it's built into history.

And what Khomeini did with one of his, a deep thinker and people he read and inspired him named Ali Shariati, what Khomeini did was argue that that communist model of the proletariat and the elite, that's exactly the Shia model. And the Shia model actually says, we are, I don't know how to put it, Islam is weak. Islam is backward today. Islam is... financially poor, just economically poor and backward. And that looks like failure. That looks like something we should be worried about because Islam should be on top, right? It's the religion of God. It's the true revelation. How come the West? The Christian West is so powerful and we're so weak. And Khomeini's answer was, The weak inherit the earth. That is a verse in the Quran, which comes from Jesus, which comes from Psalms. I believe it's Psalms originally. The weak shall inherit the earth. We are weak. That is our strength. The West is arrogant and powerful. The West is Yazid, the Caliph. And we are the heirs of Hussein. And when this regime over 47 years chooses the path of never-ending revolution, never-ending violence, never-ending exporting of the war in Syria that killed 600,000 Sunnis, the horrific war in Yemen, none of which would have been possible without Iran, when this regime becomes this massive, powerful entity that controls its own population, dominates it, and exports war everywhere in the region. It has a hard time explaining how they're the weak guys. And when they're willing to massacre 30,000, 40,000 of their own people, they're not... Hussein, they're Yazid. In fact, you have young people in Iran today on social media, and there's a whole graffiti war happening in Iran that's really fascinating for people who want to follow it, where people are literally sketching this out. You are the Yazids. You are not the Hussein. You are the top of that communist, you know, the evil corrupt elite. You are not the proletarian fighters for the good of the people. And so... It's not just that they can't explain it. This is their weakness. This is their weakest point. This is where I wish that the West, that America, that Israel would have really good propaganda capabilities, the likes of which the enemies of these countries have, the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, and they could hammer home again and again and again. Their whole ideology is based on who is powerful and who is weak. The weak are holy, the powerful are corrupt. They have become the powerful corrupt, the arrogant, as they call it. And so we could be hammering that home, and we don't. We sort of led their sort of religious discourse happening separately. But I think that kind of propaganda information war would be really, really powerful in this kind of a war because nobody in Iran thinks that this regime represents the revolution for the week that Khomeini cast it as in that merger of Shiism and communism.

Well, this conversation is my little attempt to inject a little bit of seriousness into the innocence of America. Because we are pragmatic. We like to make money. We don't pay a lot of attention to politics and ideology. We love Hollywood and we love to watch game shows. And like Survivor. Again, we don't really want to be in a survivor situation like Israel. We like to watch it. We've got a military. It's 1% of the country. They do all the heavy lifting. They're in the Gulf. They're the ones who fight the Forever Wars. 99% of us stay home and watch. So now we're going to bring both of those strains, what's going on in Iran and what's going on in Phnom land, into the United States. And it gets rooted in the academic world. And your guest explained this. And then it begins to infiltrate the Democratic Party through the academic left, where I think he said the paradigm used to be. the Jewish professor Harold Bloom, and now it's become the anti-Israel absolutist who insists on decolonizing Israel, meaning destroying Israel from the river to the sea. And it is entering an American politics. Does anyone else see this? Or are you two guys talking to each other alone in a bar over a couple of beers and nobody pays attention? Or is this widely understood outside of the comfortable confines of America? I think, I mean, more and more people are seeing it. The way Coleman Hughes put it, it was that there's this, well, I mean, there's this takeover of the universities by a, well, so Hussein Mansour said that by people like me, right? Meaning literally intellectual in the Middle East. He himself is Egyptian, born and raised. By the way, he's an American. He's the most patriotic American you'll ever meet. Of the type of, I hope I'm representing him well. I apologize to him if I'm not. Of the type that you only get with an immigrant who really knows how precious it is to be an American. He says that these intellectuals came from the Middle East, and they entered the universities, and they displaced... the old school, not just Jewish, but many Jewish intellectuals in the universities, and they brought in those ideas of, you know, sort of the Arab way of looking things. One significant extent Arab intellectual life in Arab universities and Arab is excuses. Stand by, Aviv, I've got to go to break. I'll be right back with Aviv Redik Gore, because all of a sudden, all this became very relevant this week with Nick Christop, and I want to explain one. Welcome back, America. I've got two more segments for Aviv Redi Gore. I remind you, his Patreon community, well worth the time. Don't miss Ask Habib Anything. He now has a substack at Havidgur.substack.com. Of course, she's the Middle East correspondent for the free press, and I encourage you to subscribe to that. When you and Hussein Mansour got around to it, You talked about how the radical left got into the universities. I don't think anyone argues that anymore. But it moved out. It moved out in the Democratic Party and the Democratic Socialists of America. And now we have Zohran Mamdani, and we have Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the squad, which rightly was kind of a cartoon at the beginning. But now it's not a cartoon anymore. We got Graham Platner running in Maine and Abdul El-Sayed running in Michigan. We got a lot of these hard left radicals. They're not lunatics. They're hard left radicals.

You know, you said your FCC regulated so not to curse. I cursed in that column. I don't often curse. That whole column and the dust up that it caused came out a day before. The biggest, most serious, 1,800 hours of video, 10,000 interviews. I hope I didn't reverse those statistics. Maybe it was 10,000 hours of it. Unbelievable amount of evidence and data and serious putting together of a report, not even by the Israeli government, by a civil commission, made up of survivors, made up of people who are very serious, going person by person into the sexual assault, Abai Hamas. of hostages on October 7, the whole entirety of that issue. That came out the day after. The New York Times knew when that was going to come out because the New York Times was offered the story and declined it. So it ran in the Daily Mail in London and it ran on CNN in America. And Christoph's column comes out 16 hours before it. and alleges massive things, mostly from Hamas propaganda, to cover for it. In other words, this wasn't, this was an attempt, okay, instead of revealing sexual violence, this was an attempt to cover for sexual violence. And I say that as someone who knows there was abuse in the Israeli prisons. And still, he went to bat, not for Palestinians, but for Hamas. And the reason he did, and we'll cover it in the last segment coming up. is because the left has captured elites in America. An iron curtain is descending among elites in America, and you're on one side of it or the other side of it. One side of it is anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic by definition. You cannot be with the good group, the good guys, the self-proclaimed elite, unless you adopt that, and it's working, and it's also making people stupid. One more segment with these coming up. Stay true. Welcome back, America. This is my last segment with Aviv. I want you to go back, though, ask Aviv anything, go back a week, listen to that longer conversation with Mansour. Javiv, now we're going to look forward. Christop is just one example of capture of elites by radical-left ideology that requires anti-Zionism, anti-Israel, absolutism, and then it descends into anti-Semitism here. And it's like the Dreyfus affair. That's what I've been telling people. It's our moment to come to a reckoning with this. And people have to pick sides. And I knew Nick. Nick's been on this show a number of times. He won't be again because he hasn't repudiated the idiocy of dog rape and falling for it. I mean, it's like taking the Nigerian email offering you riches if you'll just send him your bank account. No, it was that bad. But the good news is it doesn't work. I think I understood. your conversation with Hussein Mansour to say. In the end, it ends up with Hasan Piker representing you. He's a dummy. He doesn't know anything. And I think part of America's problem is it is growing ignorance, not just of the world, but generally of books, our entertainment culture, our fixation with the passing. But the revolution can't survive on that, can it? And the Democratic Party is going to seal itself off.

from 70 to 80% of the country that wants no part with massacres, no part of 107, no part of the January murderer spree by the homanius and the homini shock trips and the IRG. I think it ends well. Do you share my optimism. The core ideas of Fanon, of Shariati, of Khomeini, of these deep ideas that really have taken over the Middle East Studies departments of American universities. You know, in every big university, you now have an Israel Studies Center. That's in part because nobody could trust the Middle East Studies Department to teach Israel. You'll teach the Middle East, but you won't actually teach the actual historical experience. There is literally knowledge. that is forbidden in a modern American university, especially at the elite, because it's not politically correct. And it is literal historical knowledge of millions of people and what it is they went through and what they think is happening to them. So it is anti-truth. It is also profoundly anti-Western, anti-American. It really is. You know, it just is. You can't not actually talk to Hasan Piker. Listen to Hasan Piker talk about China, Russia. listening to him talk about 9-11 and talk about America. And you will discover just how profoundly anti-American the whole thing is. And so, yes, if the Democrats go down this path, they're not good, you know, the New York Times has gone down this path. They've laundered him in six different forums that they managed to put together. But. Where does this end? Where does this end? He actively talks about violence. A lot of DSA people talk about violence. And the candidate you mentioned, I forget his name in Michigan. Graham Platner, L. Syed in Michigan, there are a bunch of them. The Democrats have decided to hand the Israel issue over to the far left, to give in on that completely. And they hope that that will allow them to be moderate and serious on all the other stuff, on the economic stuff, on the AI reforms that have to come, on, you know, health care, on everything else. It's not going to moderate anybody. It's going to be wind in the sales of these people. And it's going to be people who will never stop producing. texts and videos about how America is terrible. The Democrats are not going to win elections like this. I know they want to unify because they want to have a chance in 2028, and this is the only way they think they can unify. But somebody's doing it to them. Somebody's forcing them into that position. By the way, the young people... on right and left, they're more radical than the adults. And why are they more radical? Because they're living on TikTok, where they have been actively radicalized. Never mind Israel-Jews Gaza war. They've been actively radicalized on everything. America doesn't want to do anything about that issue. So you are facing a future of massive radicalization.

huge vulnerability to being radicalized against, with anti-American ideologies, by your actual enemies, by the Chinese Communist Party, by the Russians, by the Iranians, you're entering a future. And nobody's even talking properly, as far as I can see, about what this all means for that future. The Democrats are giving ground, and they will regret giving that ground, because by the time they gain it back, there will be, they will be in shambles. I don't know how you take on these ideologies and don't fall. So my last comment on this, and I'd love your reaction, it won't work in America because we are a pragmatic money-making people. And we all, deep in our genes, how do you make a buck? Where do you go to get the free land? How do I sell someone snake oil? The circus is coming to down. The parade is here. We are not going to get stuck in that crazy loop of killing. Because nobody wants, you can't make money that way. You really can't. And Haviv, I don't know what your comment is on that, but I don't think it has appealed beyond the undershowered overweight left in the Antifa demonstrations in Seattle. I don't think it has legs because they can't have all tenure. They all can't have tenure. It just doesn't, it doesn't work. That was Hussein's belief. America is different. This is how, you know, this is how in Eastern Europe they fell to communism, and this is how in Western Europe they fell to fascism. And this is these kinds of radical, self-abnegating kinds of ideologies, this, the center that couldn't hold because everybody radicalized to the edges with these dynamics. Hussein says America is different. It's bigger. It's enormous. It has many, many voices, and there's not enough grievance. And there's a culture that doesn't respect grievance. There's a culture that really does believe in going out and building things. And this stuff is 100% grievance, and somebody else is going to come in. Very, very rich people are advocating socialism for America. And they're catching on with the young people because there's a lot of real economic dislocation that's only going to get worse with AI. Ultimately, America will come through this. Hussein said that. He is smarter than I and certainly a better observer of American politics. And if you and him agree, I am not going to challenge that thought. America has always been the... I just think we are a get over at culture. Get off the couch and go to work. Get a job. I want to again tell people, head over to ask of Eve anything because our four segments, our five segments, don't do justice to that conversation, which presumed a lot. St. Talks faster than anybody I've ever heard before, and I talk pretty fast. Ben Shapiro talks pretty fast. But then you're... Your transition and repudiation of Nick Christoph was complete. So listen to the next Haviv as well. Ask Haviv, anything is the podcast. Follow Aviv at his Patreon. His substack is Havidgur. Havidgur.substack.com. And, of course, subscribe to the free press where he writes a fabulous column every so often.

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