January 6, Five Years Later

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And you compare that to where we're at now in our country. And the bottom line is the message is very simple. We've started it. Thank God President Trump won the election. Thank God he made the pardons. But until the people that orchestrated the real coup against President Trump, the four years of a coup against President Trump, the insurrection against President Trump, all of the Russia collusion hoax, all of that nonsense, the impeachments, everything else, until they're held accountable, the deep states held accountable. the American people aren't going to rest. And so that's what we're here today. We're going to be talking to some of those 200 January 6ers and helping, you know, get their stories out. Some of them still struggling. Many of them not here today committed suicide. And so it's just, you know, it's a bittersweet day. But thank God they're out. Yeah, Ben, two points on this. One is people don't really know this part of the story behind the pardons of the J-Sixers. But when that was getting debated during the transition, actually Charlie was in the room and spoke up very vociferously on their behalf and said, pardon them all. Pardon them all. And that's ultimately what President Trump did. So I want people to know that piece of the story. And I remember when he told me about that. And I said, good for you. Second piece here, Ben, for the audience, please. You know, you talk about the personal stories. I mean, a lot of these people should have, if anything, right, they should have been maybe a trespassing charge. Instead, there was this manhunt across the country. Homes were raided. Families disrupted. Pregnant wives left without their husbands. And then they were placed in, you know, these jail cells, the gulag, inside of D.C. Tell us more about some of the personal stories from these J6 political prisoners that you have heard on the ground. Well, first to your first point about Charlie, and America misses Charlie every single day. Charlie was so instrumental, not just getting President Trump elected, but really this MAGA genesis in the next generation, in Gen Z, and the next generation. But the seeds that Charlie planted were seeing the fruits of those. And I pray we continue to see the fruits of those every day. And to your point, what Charlie said is the only way it could have happened. Because to parse through every single one of these, I think of my friend Coy Griffin, who was there that day, never went inside the building. He's Cowboys for Trump. He went up there, had a megaphone, and simply went up on the steps to pray over the crowd. He got on a megaphone, prayed over the crowd, and then he left. He got stuck in solitary confinement for two weeks. He wasn't able to see an attorney, wasn't able to call a family member, slept on a cold floor for praying on a megaphone. And their story after story after story like that, as you mentioned.

trespassing. That's the worst that some people did, not even knowing they were trespassing. It was a fence basically like this. It was green. This is metal. It was plastic that was taken down within minutes before I even arrived. We marched from this location down to the house. When I got there, there were no fences up. You had no idea that there was any barricade that anyone had crossed through. And so a lot of people entered that day, that space, not even realizing that they were breaking the law, going into a place. Now, obviously, we saw some of the violence. We saw the attacks. The question is how much of that was instigated. We're only getting the tip of the iceberg on how involved the federal government was. How many FBI agents were there? Which ones of those actually instigated anything? How many Antifa and BLM members were there? We know John Dan Sullivan. We know many other BLM and Antifa were there to instigate violence. But the bottom line is we don't know. We still know less than we know. There's a lot we don't know. And the question is, will we ever get to the bottom of it? But to the story. It's just crazy. I mean, they weren't given Shane Jenkins, big dude, big burly guy. You look at him, you think, man, that's a tough guy. When he talks about just sitting in that cell, he was in there for over a thousand days. There were months that he went where he couldn't brush his teeth. He couldn't clip his nails. He couldn't, no haircuts. I mean, little simple things like that, but just treated like animals. And you compare the way that January 6ers were treated compared to BLM and Antifa, who were burning down our country for four years, who were actually trying to destroy our country from within, who professed that. They want to destroy America. They want to remake it in their anarchist, communist vision. When we're talking about January 6thers, you're talking about patriots that love this country that want to restore the values of this nation. So huge difference between the people that were arrested and the way they were treated from all of the real insurrectionists that got away with it. Most of the guys in BLM that were burning down their cities never even got charged. Most of Antifa never even got charged. And so that's the, when you look at it, it's the two tiers of justice. Ben, a lot of those BLM rioters got settlements from the cities. that they help burn down. That's so crazy. So that's when you talk about anarcho tyranny, it's the law-binding people that try and do things the right way that the regime will target and harass. And it's the rioters, the lawbreakers, the criminals, the illegal immigrants that get. Free pass, they get money, they get subsidies, and then they get settlements from blue states and blue cities. You know, what's an interesting story, you can throw this up, 212, reporting from Paul Sperry, new records show U.S. Capitol Police Captain Michael Byrd, who fatally shot unarmed J6 protester Ashley Bavitt without warning, has been running an unaccredited daycare center with wife Kaleska from their Maryland homes since 2008. No way. No way. $190 million in HHS daycare funds. Well, if it's unaccredited, is the idea that they're not approved? Right. Apparently, I don't think I'm ever going to get mad at someone for running an unaccredited daycare. Questions emerged. You can throw up 2.211. It's just funny how these different storylines, Ben, seemed to overlap. So this is from Town Hall. On January 6th, questions emerge about Michael Byrd's taxpayer-funded Maryland daycare. That's out of town hall. Well, think about...

It's just one of those funny overlaps. Yeah. Think about the way Michael Byrd was treated. While BLM was raging across America, he shoots without warning, as you mentioned, an unarmed civilian, a veteran of our country who was simply there, you know, again, wanting answers to a stolen election, shoots and kills her, no accountability. In fact, he gets promoted. And you look at how officers were treated, obviously George Floyd and Chauvin. and that whole charade, how they were treated. But the difference between the left and the activist response to it, Bird became a hero to the left for murdering Ashley Babbitt, while other cops who actually were doing their jobs against real criminals were demonized and ostracized and lost their jobs. uh many times it is it's again it's it all goes back to that double standard but then you also compare that now to what we're finally finding out i mean how did it take this long yeah to get some answers thank uh shout out to uh uh Nick Shirley in the work he did. But to get some answers on this fraud. And shout out to Doge. The only real reason that we have most of these, all of this fraud information about all these fake daycares is because of Doge. I got to wrap, Ben. But give our love to Mickey, Ashley's mom. I saw that she's there with you. God bless you, sir. Thanks for putting a spotlight on this important story. God bless you guys. Talk to you soon. Candles were lit on Pam Bondi Beach by families, by children, by people of faith, to celebrate a festival of light, a festival from Bible times, one that Jesus himself celebrated. People gathered with hope seeking unity and comfort and tradition, but instead of light, there was darkness, violence, fear, hatred showing itself at a time meant for prayer and rejoicing. Times like this remind us that even with the ceasefire in Israel, Jewish people are being targeted simply because of their faith. And times like this remind us why the international fellowship of Christians and Jews exists, to stand in the gap, providing safety and security to God's people. The fellowship brings together Christians and Jews to be a light to suffering Jews in Israel, the former Soviet Union, or wherever the needs are greatest. Together, we can make a real difference in the lives of those who need hope the most. Your gift today will help provide the security that God's people so desperately need. Visit urgent IFCJ.org. That's one word, urgent IFCJ.org, or call now at 866-338. 4-3-25. Very proud of the Real America's Voice team being on the ground with Ben Berkwell and putting the resource on the ground to highlight some of the stories of, and listen, whatever you think about January 6th, whatever you think about it.

Because, yeah, we shouldn't have been, you know, going inside a Capitol. But I remember, by the way, Blake, I remember doing that show live that morning with Charlie from Phoenix and being like, please get out, please get out. Because we knew what they were going to do. They were going to use this against us. It was so obviously bad. It was so, yes. But regardless of what, you know, what you think about the particulars on that day, these were a lot of really amazing patriots that got caught up in a drag net and a manhunt. As you said in the first segment. that should have been reserved for the likes of Nicholas Maduro. The way that they came in, guns ablazing, raiding these people's homes was an absolute travesty and a miscarriage of justice. And I'm glad that we're celebrating their stories because so many of these people had their lives absolutely ruined for basically a trespassing charge. Okay. All right. Moving on to our next story here. This story... Made me think of you, Blake. And that's why we put it on the rundown here. And that is the New York Times has come out with a whole piece about why Trump and the Trump administration has soured on Maria Corina Machado. Now, Maria Corina Machado is the opposition candidate. Maria Corina Machado Maria Corina Machado. It's like the old SNL bit. You got a so Venezuela. So there was rumors going around that Trump had lost faith in her because she didn't deny the Nobel Peace Prize. So we should supply some context to this. Go give us the context. Maria Corina Machado was the candidate in the most recent Venezuela. No, she was. No, they evicted her. She was going to be the candidate. She couldn't run. She couldn't run. So she had sort of a proxy. So yes, exactly. Her location apparently is unknown right now. Yes. She's been under threat for a long time. And then the other guy was in, I think he fled the country for Spain. Yes. That's correct. So, but she was the opposition leader. So she was a common figurehead for the Venezuelan opposition. And then. Right after they abducted Maduro, it seemed plausible that they would say, okay, install the opposition leader because we'd been endorsing the Venezuelan opposition. We said they actually won the Nobel Peace Prize. It was the assumption immediately. And then she won the Nobel Peace Prize back in October instead of Trump. And Trump... was just very publicly campaigning for that award in an interesting way. And they awarded it to her instead. She actually did even the day she received it. She dedicated it to Trump. Yes. But apparently they believed she should have also refused it. Now, this was a rumor. It's unsubstantiated. Well, it was stated, it was reported by the Washington Post. So they, which we know never lies about anything. Well, the Washington Post has sources in the White House. So the rumor has been going around that Trump. soured on Maria Corina Machado because she didn't just decline the award and offer it to Trump. I thought that that sounded silly. Okay. So there's a big piece in the New York Times that is detailing why the Trump administration decided not to back Maria Corina Machado Maria Corina Machado as Maduro's replacement. And It has nothing to do with her winning the Nobel Peace Prize. So I don't know if you want to take this or if you... Yeah, sure. Well, what's probably most interesting about it is it seems...

Honestly, the first bullet point of it is the most interesting, which is apparently Marco Rubio talked President Trump out of doing it. He said, I'll quote from Ryan Savage's summary, if the United States tried to back the opposition, it could further destabilize the country and require a more robust military presence inside of it. And a classified CIA intelligence analysis reflected that view. They were also frustrated that they believed... Her assessments of the situation in Venezuela were inaccurate, that she underestimated... Maduro's strength, that they were skeptical of her ability to seize power. Apparently, Rick Grinnell would go and have meetings, and he was just very annoyed with her. Yeah, well, he tried to have an in-person meeting. The U.S. tried to guarantee her security, and apparently she refused to do that or somehow didn't materialize despite those promises and those assurances of security. But also... They asked for a list of political prisoners. Apparently that didn't happen. Over time, the relationship deteriorated to according to people briefed on the interactions. Maria Corina Machado and her team ignored the request for a list of political prisoners. So there was also this issue that Maria Corina Machado had been taking a pretty forceful stance asking for more sanctions against Maduro-backed. businesses and products. The whole thing is she does... And that alienated her from the business class. Well, she comes off as just generally being very uncompromising. So it has like, for example, Maria Corina Machado was upset that Rick Grinnell did not denounce Maduro as illegitimate when Grinnell believed that that would undercut any diplomatic thing. Yeah. Her position was no negotiations with Maduro's government. They were still trying to have a conversation, right? So we were open to a negotiated exit for Maduro and she seemed to kind of have the attitude of... Maduro just has to quit. And so it just seems like they got very fed up with her, which is a very good adventure in third world politics, I suppose. It sounds like she basically, there's reason to believe that she had alienated many members of Venezuela's like sort of elite, right? The business class, the civil society. Again, our position is that she's the valid opposition leader and that she, her proxy won the election. So you kind of. You believe in elections or you don't as well. And I think the opening point is one of the most interesting, which is Marco Rubio arguing if we back the opposition, it could destabilize the country. Reading between the lines there, that kind of suggests there's more support for the regime than we might have otherwise thought. But I mean, even if it's 7030, you don't want to inflame the 30. I mean, that's a landslide by any measure, but you want to bring the entire country together as much as possible. So you want to, instead of picking favorites, picking sides, you want to establish a transition that makes a little bit more diplomatic sense.

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child care fraud and Medicaid fraud, that type of thing, is that people will say, okay, we found it. That's the problem. It's literally just the tip of the iceberg. These programs have been designed to be abused, to be difficult to really investigate and convict people based on fraud. But the bottom line, you know, Democrats have always just sought power. To conservatives, it makes no sense. I mean, I've got enough. dealing with my own life. I mean, why don't want to control somebody else's life? But that's what Democrats want to do, that they want to grow government so they can have the power to control other people's lives. And in order to grow government, they've created all these programs that people sign up for. They daisy chain them. So you sign up for one, you qualify for another in another another. They open the borders during Obama and then again during Biden to allow people to flood in this country. Very few people really understand that even illegal immigrants get counted in the census. So when you're counted in the census, then they basically reapportion the congressional seats, those states, the sanctuary states that encourage the illegal immigrants to flood their states, they get more members of Congress. That means they've got more votes. And when you've got Congress as evenly divided as we are, one or two seats may make the difference between having Democrats in total control of government like they were when they passed for Obamacare to... carry out some other massive communist and socialist type of program that, as we're seeing with Obamacare, is utterly failed. But it was designed to fail. So, again, that's the whole point. All these programs are designed to grow government, to make more people dependent on government, so they've got the power that people are dependent on voting them back into office. It's sick to conservative. It makes no sense whatsoever, but that's exactly what Democrats are. That's what they're all about. Yeah, well, and I couldn't help us hear that you were echoing some of the sentiments from the great Stephen Miller. Playcut 210. This was not a loophole. The Biden administration, Secretary of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, devised a scheme. to fly illegal aliens into the country, and then to escort them in mass across the border by the millions, and to give them something known as parole, which gives them a work permit, which gives them a social security number, which gives them access to the voting booth. This was the plan all along to get them here illegally so they can get free government benefits, get hooked to welfare, and be able to participate in American elections. And one more clip here for you, Senator. This is from Nick Shirley and David. We had Nick Shirley on the show. We don't know David's last name, but he's a patriot in Minnesota that helped uncover this massive viral story. And now they're talking about how these Somali immigrants are engaging potentially. I mean, I think it's fairly certain in voter fraud. Play cut 219. And they're all Somali. You're talking.

probably 100,000 or more people, and they're all living rent-free. They're driving a vehicle that you paid for. They're eating food that you paid for. Everything they do is something that you paid for. And for instance, that entire block will then go and vote for one specific candidate. They'll have one person go there and collect all the ballots, and nobody tracks. They could say they have nine people living in an apartment. They're going to send them nine ballots. And then they have someone who comes along, collects all the ballots. So the scheme, the jig is up here. Even when it's not that bad, I remember accounts like, so a lot of them don't speak English. So. if you can't speak English, you're allowed to have an interpreter in the booth. And there's tons of accounts where you bring in everyone all at once and they have the same guy going like, that's our guy, that's our guy, that's our guy, that's our guy. Yeah, really, really making, you know, really displaying the sanctity of the secret ballot. Yeah. Yeah. So, exactly. I mean, it seems like the jig is up. We pay these people to come here. We settle them. We give them free money. They loot the system, commit fraud, and then they vote Democrat. The question is. What do you do about it now, Senator? Well, the problem is you've got about half the country that votes a Democrat, and they have no problem with this. They also want to get their guys and gals into office, so they just look the other way. My concern about... only focusing on what's happening in Minnesota. And I'm happy to do that. We have to use that as a springboard to investigate all the fraud. I'm older than you guys. I live through the development of the big state, the war on poverty, which is utterly failed. But what it did do is a grew government. Back then, when I grew up, my dad worked. My mom stayed at home. We weren't very wealthy, but we had a great life, you know. Parents of faith, they love their kids, supportive homes. But that was the norm. You didn't need to earn our families. Nowadays, you can't really survive that way. And what's really tragic is the individuals that do work their tail off. You know, making 70, 80, 90,000 bucks a year in a place like Wisconsin, paying taxes, carrying the load for the people who then do videos on social media taunting. the hard workers saying, look all these benefits I'm getting. Now, take you look at how much money I've got on my EBT card. Thank you for funding my lifestyle. It is, it is just galling. And you take a look at some of the work by people like former Senator Phil Graham that talks about, on average, people in the, you know, benefiting from the welfare state, not get down about $57,000 a year tax-free benefits.

Consider on the death, they don't have to work, which is why I've got about 20% of the adult male population out of the workforce permanently. They don't have to. We pay them not to work. We now pay for their health care. And the Medicaid expansion, the Obamacare expansion in Medicaid is crowding out the disabled children from providers because it's more lucrative to get reimbursed $9 to $1 for a single adult. So again, this has been designed. Obama care was designed to make... people dependent on government for the health care. So it could be abused, you know, provider tax. I mean, I could go on and on and on. This is by design. This is exactly what the Democrat Party set out to do. And it's worked marvelously well for them. It's terrible for America. So is the issue, Senator, in this block grant, the way it's sort of like the federal government's giving money to a state like Minnesota or Wisconsin or wherever, Ohio. And then the state is then entrusted with. policing the system. So it, but if you get a state like Minnesota where the Democrat politicians are incentivized, especially with a community that votes and blocks like the Somali community, they're incentivized to then turn the other cheek. They're, to turn a blind eye to the fraud right in front of them. Is that the problem with the system or is it run deeper than that? The overall problem is just the massive amount of money we spend. Now, GAO issues an improper payment report since 2003. Since that point in time, they've logged about $2.8 trillion of improper payments. Now, that's a very imprecise term. That also is probably just the tip of the iceberg. So, yeah, I mean, the federal government is the easiest entity to fleece. And so it gets fleeced all the time. And I keep pointing out, you know, the Somalis, they're relatively new this country, they're amateurs relative to the entrenched interest. You know, the military industrial complex. I mean, I can tell you story after story of small businesses who create a product for the defense industry, you know, sold it at pennies on the dollar versus what the big... contractor bought them and then started charging the Defense Department for. So again, we get fleeced across the board in every program of government. So the solution is you have to reduce the size, scope and cost to government, but that's not the path we're on. And regrettably, you know, I was one of the big holdouts on the reconciliation bill because I was... imploring. I was begging the administration of my colleagues. You guys, we have to return to a reasonable pre-pandemic global spending. This is absurd. We went from $4.4 trillion to over $7 trillion. We have to return to a reasonable baseline. But doing those types of spending reductions, that kind of constraint, it's not politically popular. It's often said here in Washington, see, show me a member of Congress who ever lost because they spent too much money. You can't. And that's until the public, until the public demands it, and that's the beauty of the Nick Shirley video, is the work in people this country. And the question is, are there enough of them?

They've seen that that are properly outraged by how they are getting screwed, how they're being taken advantage of these people then go on social media and taunt them for giving them this lifestyle where they don't have to work. You work your tail off, you pay the taxes, and I'll live in the lap of luxury off of the benefits you provide me. Are there enough for Americans? Have we already crossed that Rubicon where there are too many people going to vote themselves benefits, vote for Democrats, and this democracy, this republic is over? That's the $64,000 question. I can't answer it. Well, it's terrifying. Fork in the road that you're presenting. It's something Blake and I argue about off the air all the time. Are there, is there enough virtue left in the people? You know, we often say that you get the leaders that you deserve. And, you know, Charlie's message was always like, be. a type of person worthy of great leadership. It starts individually. Are there enough good people left, right? And that is the question. The other question, though, Senator, is, you know, how do we reform our elections so that, you know, Somali, one Somali can collect eight different ballots. Nobody checks it, just hands them all in. And that's, you know, Trump was mentioning it this morning in front of the House GOP guys, the SAVE Act, play cut 220. You want to have voter ID. You want to insist on it. You ought to insist on it. The only reason somebody doesn't want that is because they want to cheat. And you were to pass the Safe Act or whatever you're going to call. I mean, so it's getting mentioned again, Senator. Is there any hope of this? Is there any political will? Do we have the votes? Well, one of the reasons I reluctantly, again, I think the filibusters prevent us from being a socialist nation for decades. But Democrats, they're going to over, they're going to. get rid of the filibuster. So we better beat him to the punch and to do it so we actually pass pieces of legislation like the Save Act. Some overall federal controls. And the controls we're out put in place are the same things our State Department advises other nations to hold free and fair elections. We don't follow our own advice. Okay. This is Lane Schoenberger, Chief Investment Officer and Founding Partner of Y-Refi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to us, and we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years to come. Now, hear Charlie, in his own words, tell you about Y-R-R-R-R-E-F-Y-F-Y. I'm going to tell you guys about Y-R-R-E-F-Y-F-Y. I'm going to tell you guys about Y-R-E-F-Y-FY-Fi-Fi-E-FY-Fi-Fi-E-FYFI-FI-LONES. You can finally take control of your student loan situation with a plan that works for your monthly budget.

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of American culture before our eyes. And you think about how many babies, different immigrants groups are having compared to native-born Americans. This thing is a ticking time bomb. And we're going to lose the country if we don't get that done. But we don't have it. So if I'm going to do filibuster, nuke the filibuster, that's what I want. I want those two things. I don't know your reaction to that. And if there's anything else on your laundry list that you think we need to get done. Well, the major thing Democrats exploited in our immigration law was credible fear. The incredibly low standard versus the standard for actual asylum, which is kind of hard to prove. And so we've got to get that initial hurdle much closer to the general asylum standard. That should be a reasonably easy fix, not really complex legislatively. But again, you start with these are the things that have to be done, make sure that we've got the votes to do it. I wouldn't do this filibuster until we have that done. Now, short of that, and Mike Lee's the champion of this, you know, we could also stay here in town, stay in legislative session, and do a talking filibuster. And you really need to talk to Mike Lee, how you do that. We had them on. Yeah, I like that idea. I actually like that. So we actually discuss that this morning, myself and Rick Scott and Mike Lee. We need to start talking to our colleagues about that because right now you don't have. had the votes for the limit the filibuster. That's just true. But, you know, I think we need to express our colleagues in the Republican conference, go, okay, short of that, there are things we have to do. And we talked to actually starting about saving with, start with the Save Act. Let's take that basic step to restore that level of integrity. Again, I don't want to take over elections. That's a slippery slope. But there have to be some basic federal standards for elections that states have to follow so that we have free and fair elections that, you know, don't produce illegitimate votes. Well, God bless you for that. I endorse Senator Lee's because that would be, I mean, the question is John Thune at that point. Would, you know, John Thune be on board with changing the rules and make people actually sit and stand on the Senate floor and argue until they lose steam? I don't know. You would know better. Is there any appetite from... John Thune. Well, we've got to sell it and got, I come from a manufacturing background. So what I suggest is we need to put the Senate when we do that on a continuous shift, do a scale down staff. I mean, I don't want to abuse that staff, but I mean, it's pretty easy. You know, you put three shifts. People come in eight, eight hours shifts. You know, we've got to be around available. Don't have to be on the floor, but we just have to be available in case there's a quorum call or whatever. So it's entirely doable. You just have to have the will to do it. I drove my kids nuts to say, you know, three quarters of the word can't is can. It just requires a willpower. I can imagine being frustrated as your child if you kept hitting me with that one. But yes, absolutely. I totally agree. You just need to have the political will. And I just, you know, I hope for the best from John Thune. I just, I don't hold my breath, unfortunately. I want to get to one other topic here really quick. Yesterday, the president announced that we are, there's a big win for Maha, going from 72 jabs for children.

And they're moving it down more in alignment with European, some of the other industrialized nations, 11 injections. What do you make of this? You were huge when it came to fighting the COVID jabs. And so I wanted to get your comments on that, Senator. An incredibly important first step. I give Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the president all the credit in the world for doing this. I'm sure it's not popular in the medical establishment who, let's face it, they literally do not understand that much about vaccines. They're just told they're safe and effective and then they move forward. Okay. So I would recommend your listeners read Vaccines Amen. By Aaron Series. There's a lot of good books. McCulloch has a good one out, dissolving illusions, turtles all the way down. But one that brings it all together, most powerfully, is Aaron Series. Vaccines, Amen, read that. And you'll start coming to understand really what a reasonable debate is about vaccines and how we should approach it. But I'm happy that we're going more to our European model, spacing them out. and do real science. And that's what takes time because we have not had true rigorous studies on the safety and effectiveness of these vaccines. We simply have it. And that's what Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s been pointing out. That's what Aaron Siri proves in his book. There's a much more rational way approaching this. Our approach hasn't been rational this day. So again, it's a great first step. We had Aaron Siri on the show for a long form conversation. And it was fascinating. I learned a ton. He cross-examined some of these. big pharma folks that are supposed to be experts in injections and vaccines and in depositions it gets them to admit that there hasn't been studies on these it's just i mean it will blow your mind when you hear that the the lack of evidence of science that backs some of these these broad sweeping mandates for our children. It should outrage all of your listeners to the extent that we've been lied to by the medical staff from our federal health agencies. We're not being lied to anymore with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and President Trump. God bless you, Senator. We'll have you back on again soon. Thank you. Take care. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.