Ask Us Anything 250: Pentagon Fraud? Saving Minnesota? Marriage? Halftime Show?

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I've actually talked to a number of the DOW guys. Pete's a friend personally. I haven't talked to him about this, but I just, I can tell you on its face, the guys, especially the political appointees that are now in charge of the Department of War are absolutely devoted to rooting out fraud, waste, and abuse. All of this stuff. And there is a huge. And it sounds like you're very well aware of this, a huge behemoth of a procurement process that was in place and it's been in place for years and years and years that favors the incumbents, that favors the bloated companies, that favors the old school companies. What they're trying to do is they're trying to revamp a lot of this. You know, you hear about Palmer Lucky with Anderill and kind of what they're doing, this new age of defense contractors that are lighter, more nimble, they're more advanced, they're using better technology. They're thinking about war and new and creative. ways. There's a bunch of companies like that, actually, startups all across the country, huge entrepreneurial class. Maybe they were fighting wars, you know, 10 years ago, and now they're trying to build the machines and the technologies that will help us win wars in the future. There's a huge group of these guys all over the country. And so they're trying to break into this procurement process because they know exactly what you said, that the old dogs, they're full of bloat, there's full of back. padding there's full of workarounds and they're all taking money on the you know on the side it's it's a huge huge problem uh i can tell you Secretary Pete Hegseth is aware that this is happening. There's a whole team that's dedicated to doing just what you're doing. So yes, if you guys get us stuff that you want us to pass along, obviously this is, you know, Department of War is not our specialty, but we know a lot of those guys and we'd be happy to pass it on. And I believe they've also got whistleblower protections at the federal level. Within the Department of War, there should be already... routes that you can take there's an armed services committee and you got to look up and down that list and see who the good guys are because a lot of those guys are it's kind of like the intel committee you know you don't really want to go directly to some of those guys so i hate to be that that blunt but you got to find the right the right voices there also by the way we just had eli crane It's a former special service services guy. He was a sniper. So this is a guy that you could go to directly in Arizona, send it to his office. But we'd be happy to help and pass on anything we can because you're 1,000% right. I was just going to say the same thing. Eli is the person I would go directly. I trust Eli completely. This guy is on board. Congressman Crane is incredible. His team is great. He's going to take every bit of that. There's only a handful of congressmen who take. these types of things seriously or they won't just kind of balk and you know blank you on some of this stuff and so i would go directly to his office and sit down with them they'll make time um and if you need any help there uh absolutely we will be happy to help yeah and email is freedom at charlie kirk.com if you have any documents you want to send us um Blake has literally got the inbox open we have teams that monitor that inbox all the time as well so um hopefully that helps you have that does that answer your question do you have any follow up there james

Yes, sir, and I appreciate your time. So the problem, as I see it, is the Department of Defense IG is actively part of the problem. So when I did report it multiple times, and other people reported it multiple times, they just seemed to proceed to help cover up or whitewash the report. And what happened in this case, they apparently lost a lot of equipment. They broke into dozens of U.S. contractors' bedrooms and foreign soil. And so that shows just how the state of our inventory, which obviously means how many times does this happen? How many, you know, is that equipment compromised? Were people trying to, you know, you only take SIP or computers for, you know, there's not very many reasons you would do something like that. and then they just downgraded it. I don't want to get, you know, because it's a long story, but I appreciate that. Yeah, the route then is to go around the IG. I mean, I can't vouch for what you're saying, but I don't know the IG at the Department of War, but then go through an Eli Crane, go through a congressional committee, or get stuff directly to Pete Hegseth's office. That's what I would say. Yes, sir. And I appreciate your help. And I'll, if you don't mind, just, I'll, I'll try to email that all the information I have. It's, it's a lot of documents. It's probably like. at least 40 documents. And what's your background without, if you can tell us, kind of, are you, are you former military or? Yes, I'm a former, I'm a former, um, I'm a former military officer. Um, and I've been working as a defense contractor for about, uh, 12 years after I completed my service. So, well, thank you for your service. Yeah, God bless you. Yeah. Thank you for, uh, keeping an eye on, on the ball here with us, too. Yeah. This stuff requires. vigilance it does because this stuff happens you know every year new contracts get doled out new uh go-betweens are getting established a lot of them come out of the military you know this world very well it's big there's a lot of money sloshing around it's like that and hHS are the two the two agencies where so much of this goes on where it's this revolving door of you're appointed you're in the admin and then you go out into the private sector and we spend a lot of money and then we're like well we must have the strongest military in the world because we spend the most money right right And we can't put ships. But how much is wasted? Oh, yeah. And we can't build ships. I think you could get nearly the same outcome out of our military with half the military budget. I really believe it's that extreme. Maybe it's 60, 40, 70, 30, but it could be 50. We're also, this is not really direct military spending, but we're actually on a trajectory where our VA spending might exceed military spending eventually, which is remarkable because the number of veterans is going down. We don't have the World War II generations, but. Yeah, it's interesting. I know a guy who worked on the VA bill during Trump.

one point of lots of stories there um next up is josh josh welcome to the charlie kirk show unmute yourself hey can you guys hear me yes we can hey josh hey i went to amfest and that was great i want to thank you guys for putting that on that was uh really fun i went to all those members podcasts i met blake got a picture so that was great nice Those are great, right? We only have a minute here, but, like, tell the audience what that's like, because it's one thing for me to say. It's another thing for you. Well, Amfest was great. You know, you always hear on, like, X, everything is so divided, but it really wasn't that bad. Like, I would talk to some of my friends that I met that were all around my age of 18, and they were just like, you know, I disagree with you, but that's a good point. And we weren't, like, you know, mad at each other. It was just really, like, friendly. Yeah, and the members, you went to the members podcast. Tell us about that. Who did you see us speak with there? I think I went to every single one except the Korean brothers and Donald Trump Jr. Oh, you missed out at the Korean Brothers one. Yeah, well, Donald Trump Jr. I got like the back half of it where they were like messing out their English, which was pretty funny. I thought that was pretty funny. Donald Trump Jr. was a whole thing because we couldn't get anybody up. The security was so tight because JD Vance was speaking that day. And so we couldn't get anybody up into the actual podcast room because it was, you know, Secret Service. We have so many Secret Service stories at these events over the years. It's been it's no fun when you're trying to host an event and work with the United States Secret Service. I want to remind you about a pharmacy we trust and recommend, especially right now when it feels like everyone's getting sick. Flu cases are up, viruses are going around. If you're a family, you know your kids are sick, but all family pharmacy is here to help you access. medications you need without the runaround when you don't want to wait in line and want instead your meds to be delivered to your door you need all family pharmacy when everyone around you is sick and you want to be prepared you need all family pharmacy when your doctor says they won't prescribe ivermectin You need all-family pharmacy. They've got everything. Antibiotics, antivirals, Tamiflu, Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, blood pressure meds, and more. You do not need insurance. You don't need to beg a doctor, just simple, fast, honest care. This is what health care should look like in America with you in control. The process is simple. Order online. It licensed doctor reviews it and your medication ships straight to your door. So start the year. prepared and take care of your family the right way. Visit all family pharmacy.com slash kirk and use promo code kirk 10 to save 10%. Again, that's all family pharmacy.com slash kirk and use the code kirk 10. Josh was telling us about all the fun he had at Amfest and the

members podcast room which is i think one of the best things that we do actually and i love doing it and i'm sorry that we couldn't get more people in for the don junior interview but again complicated business with the secret service but yeah we had meg and kelly we had allie bet stuckie we had tom homin we had the the korean the korean guys that there is forget the sons the sons of sun yeah pastor son Pastor Sons. We had so many. We had a lot of great conversations, and we'll keep those going for sure. Josh, welcome back to the show. What's your question? So I'm from Minnesota, and I was wondering with all the stuff going on, getting all the people out of here and deported and all that stuff, is there any hope for our, like, races getting rid of Waltz and then Ilhan Omar especially? Yeah, so Waltz is out, right? Waltz is with he's no longer running for reelection. He's not running for re-election. There's been some speculation that he might actually dip out of being governor before the end of his term, but we'll see. I don't know if that's true or not. There's some speculation around that based off of some of the. interesting findings that are being, you know, the threads that are being pulled. And this goes to show, again, when good things start happening, there can be a domino effect that causes a lot of chaos for the Dems. And so that's a great, that's a great story. You have a governor's race right now, as you know, that has a ton of candidates that are running it. Our friend Mike Lindell is running in it. Right now, he's not polling. At the top, there were two people who kind of duked it out in 2022. Last time, Jensen, who is, who was the nominee. Last time, Scott Jensen, who's a decent guy, pretty strong. He had a decent showing, but lost last time to Waltz. And then another guy named Kendall Qualls, who is a healthcare technology executive. It's also running that has been. pulling towards the top uh yeah i mean i'll be honest with you the minnesota Republican situation is a little bit of a disaster because it's not well funded. It's always been one of the most dysfunctional Republican parties. It's pretty dysfunctional just in general. And I'm not saying that as like pointed at any particular person, but you have a strong, a strong amount of good conservatives in the state of Minnesota. And then you have a really weak establishment that tries to control everything. And so, and then they end up just. you know, buckling and bending of the knee of the Democrats, which has led to a, you know, a fairly deep blue state that's, that is probably winnable, but at this point. So I'll just, I'll just simplify this and say this is that if you don't consolidate around one candidate,

the Somali fraud scandal, other fraud scandals have actually bubbled up to the point of being something they can't ignore. Even the New York Times had to come in and admit that it's really real. So it really is, you could say, a generational opportunity of how badly the state is run while not being so blue that it's effectively unwinnable the way California is. And so I definitely don't think. It's really a shame that we don't have a better Republican Party there because this should be an eminently winnable race. Every other state near, you know, in that kind of chain of states that resemble Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, all of those states generally moved right in the presidential level. They were pretty winnable at the state level. And Minnesota's just been bluer than them. And it really shouldn't be insofar as... There's a lot of really messed up things that their state Democrat Party has done that a lot of people really don't like. Yet it's been a challenge over and over. Well, and I would just say you said it the generational opportunity. I think that's right. There was a big story. I want to make sure we play it. We have enough time before the break. A whistleblower out of Minnesota is throwing allegations at Keith Ellison and Tim Walz, 451. Whistleblowers told a congressional committee, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, and Attorney General Keith Ellison there, ignored warnings for years as millions of dollars and millions were stolen on their watch. Congress is investigating a long list of massive fraud schemes in the state. It's hard to keep up. Prosecutors say it's led to at least $9 billion in fraud, Dana, and counting. Congress also asking why the Attorney General there would meet with a group of Somali fraudsters, which were under FBI investigation in 2020. The group can be heard in an audio clip given to us by Bach's lawyer offering to donate to his campaign if he can help them get their funding flowing again. Ellison denies any wrongdoing here. He slammed Bach in a statement to Fox, calling her a liar and manipulator, adding now she's on a media to her to deflect her guilt on to others instead of finally taking responsibility for this fraud scheme that she ran. Yeah, so she, that was the Feed Our Futures fraud scheme. She's in prison, and she's basically saying there's no way they couldn't have known while Keith Ellison was meeting with people that were under FBI investigation at the time. So we've gone through the Minnesota question. I believe it's a generational opportunity. Not sure if we're going to catch fire and catch momentum there or not. But they're under FBI investigation. I forgot. They are under FBI investigation, both Jacob Frey and Tim Walter are under investigation. I mean, listen, these are bad optics. However, it's just a, I think the whole thing is a PR game. It really is. So we have another question here. It's actually from Ian. who is unable to call in apparently. He says, you want to read it? I'll read it because you guys will have to answer it. So this is from Ian. What are signs that you met someone worth marrying is finding someone that shares conservative and Christian values so rare these days that we should overvalue that with the level of oversaturation of promiscuity and perversion that has tarred the dating pool? How did you know your spouse was right for you? I know marriage wasn't made to make you happy, but to make us holy. Also,

how have we not found Blake a wife yet? Thinking face, just kidding. Love you all. That's for me. And well, I can't answer that question. It's not for lack of effort. I mean, Charlie tried really hard too. So, you know, Blake, what is the answer there? He doesn't want to answer. It's fine. I'm a private man. He's a private man. And he's, you know, listen, he's got standards. He's got standards. I would say. You know, all you can do is talk from your personal experience. And when I met my wife, I will tell you that it was like everything that had been hard and every other relationship was easy all of a sudden. We wanted to do the same things at the same time. We shared the same values. We had the same outlook on what we wanted for our future. We were able to pray together. We were able to go to church together. And here's the other thing. There was no fighting. We didn't fight. Some people will tell you you have to fight and you have to go through these. It's not like we didn't have disagreements, but we didn't fight. We weren't at each other's throats all the time. You know, it was like it was just easy and it was fun. And I think, you know, there is a sanctification portion of being married. That's absolutely true. But for us, it was just. All of the things that you kind of assumed were going to be the case with dating and relationships, it just wasn't the case anymore. We just knew that we fit together. And when you share values, I mean, here's one thing that I completely agree with with Charlie. Charlie would say, don't date a Democrat or a progressive if you're a conservative. You're inviting a ton of conflict into your life, into your relationship that you don't need to have there. And if you're a Christian and serious Christian, you should be dating a serious Christian. and you should be dating intentionally to get married. It doesn't mean it can't be fun and exciting and all those good things. And by the way, it doesn't mean that there aren't exceptions to that rule. But as a general rule of them, date Christians if you're a Christian, date a conservative if you're a conservative, especially the way the culture's gone and everything's so much more political these days. Everything gets brought up in a relationship. It's going to determine which school you send your kids to, what religion you raise them under. It's going to determine what kind of shows you watch, what kind of movies you go to as a family. All of those little mundane things become controversial. They become rife with conflict if you do not marry people that are on the same page as you. So when you know, you kind of know. honestly and you know there's a pastor friend of mine it was it was basically like find a woman you're attracted to and it'll put up with you that was his his uh his direction i think it's a little bit more complicated to that but there's a truth in what he was saying that listen your job as a man get a job provide for your family provide and protect your your future children be all of those things be intentional about the way you spend your time be intentional about the way that you pursue your career and try and be a man that's worthy of a great of a great wife and hopefully you find a wife that that is uh trying to do the same thing on her end of the of the equation what about you tyler what about you what about me what what's your advice how do you know how do you know when you got the right i think you have

I think you it's it's one of those things where you have to put yourself in the batters box and you have to take swings and the right thing happens not all the time but You know, some of the time it happens. And then it just kind of works his way out. Like you just got to, dating, I think, is just like anything that we deal with on the social scale with political is like when you show up, things start happening. And I think that's just what life's all about is all those things. I think most people, and this has no commentary on you, so I, because I don't know your personal dating life. But others of my friends that, that. Sometimes they feel like, I'm not finding the right person or whatever. It's like, well, yeah, are you investing enough of the time to be around the people that you want to be around and that you want to try to be around? And the good news is with Turning Point, there's a lot of those people who show up around our stuff. And so this is a great place where people meet each other. We have a lot of Turning Point babies and a lot of Turning Point weddings. In fact, uh you know going to many this year i've like a wedding like every other week for the next like three months you kind of aged out of the time where you're supposed to be going to a wedding every month but at turning point it's like at turning point you never get out of it yeah you never get out of it because everyone's like in their 20s and 30s i would say this too there's a there's a great expression you cannot turn a parked car So if you desire to be married and have kids, you've got to move forward because then you can sort of, to Tyler's point, you can put yourself in the batters box, you can try more things, you can date more people. That whole kiss dating goodbye thing that was like a 90s phenomenon. That's garbage. I think you should date. The guy who wrote that became, is like now non-religious. Yeah, he's like an atheist. He's like an atheist. His wife, I believe. He divorced his wife. I think so. I might be mistaken. He definitely is not a Christian anymore. Yeah, he apologized for writing that. And I know he's like an atheist now. But anyways, it took fire. And it was like all these people that weren't dating because they wanted to remain pure. Definitely remain pure. You are not supposed to be having sex before you're married. That's an absolute certainty that there's no budging on that. We don't budge on that. But. You got to be able to experience somebody and get to know them and understand them. And, you know, another piece of advice that I think is really good is you date for all seasons. So meaning if you're going to get married to somebody, there's no time limit. There's no rules. You do you. But I do think it's important. Four seasons. So you can look at it as spring, winter, summer, fall, or you can look at it as. Good times and bad. See them at their worst. See them at their best. See them when they're having fun. See them when they're working hard. You want to know somebody has character to match. And here's one last thing. And I say this to the guys out there. My wife is an amazing mother to our kids. Amazing. That was not something I was thinking about as intentionally as I probably should have. And I got lucky candidly. I mean, I knew she had great character. I knew she was fun. She had a great disposition, great personality, all of this. I didn't realize how important that would be.

when you actually are in the mundane life of just running a household day and day out and making sure your kids get to school, making sure they have their lunchboxes full, making sure that they get to their lessons in the class. Having a wife that you would trust to raise your children, it's just a huge, a huge issue. And I suppose that goes both ways. I'm thinking about it from a male perspective, but women marry a man that you want your children to be like. I think that's a huge, huge deal. Hi folks, Andrew Colvette here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y Refi. You've probably been hearing me talk about Y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why Refai will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America, and we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. Why Refi can help. Just go to whyrefi.com. That's the letter why then refi.com. And remember, why refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to whyrefi.com and tell them your friend Andrews sent you. Next question. We have this one from Joe. Who is performing at the turning point halftime show, and who do you guys think will be in when the Super Bowl? Well, the Packers cannot be in the Super Bowl. They definitely can't be in that much. They won't be there for a while. They're clearly a person. Oh, don't be such a dumer. No, I mean, we should just set this up by saying, man, it's getting bleak. I think apparently the bunny who is bad is going to wear a dress and he's going to dedicate the show to queer icons. I think we have some graphics on this. What's great about that, I'll be frank. I have to chastise conservatives a bit because I'll still, I will run into conservatives to this day, who will one, they'll gloat that the NFL's ratings are in the toilet due to boycotts while admitting they themselves still watch the NFL and all its games. Are they in the toilet? No, no, the NFL's ratings are better than ever. The rights attempt to boycott the NFL was a big failure. The NFL is invincible and unstoppable. That's how it is. I mean, it's not like. Bud Light where we can just literally choose from 48 million other options. Bud Light was a very special case. And I'm glad it worked. But Bud Light was special because it's something that's super fungible. It's something you mostly, no one's super passionate about Bud Light. It's like a very passive, you know, you mildly like good. It's easily replaced by other things. You mostly consume it socially. So it was really easy to bully people and, you know, make fun of them for having the gay beer and all of that. It's not like that with the NFL. People are fanatical about it. There's omnipresent. There's no alternative football league that's of any noteworthiness. Or you can go be a soccer fan. The Canadian Football League. Ooh, the CFL. Oh, boy. Three downs. Unless you're Canadian, nobody's watching that. Exactly. I mean, no one's even watching it in Canada. They're kind of in dice financial streets. Are they? Yeah, it's all of that. So it's tough. But it does mean it's in the NFL's very good at marketing to everyone during Floyd-a-Palooza. They gave Jay-Z total control.

Of the halftime show. That's how we got here. They just said, Jay Z, your company, I think Rock Nation is the name of it, you get control of the Super Bowl halftime show. And he just kind of picks whoever he wants. And so he's picked these insane anti-American acts. And, yeah, the thing, I mean, Bad Bunny, listen, this is not an anti-Hispanic American thing. But when Bad Bunny comes out and says, You have four months to learn Spanish, and he's not going to do any of his songs in English. And now, to add insult to injury, he's going to pay homage to queer icons. His whole outfits, queer icons. Bad Bunny plans to use Super Bowl halftime show to honor queer icons, plans to wear a dress. So this is him thumbing his nose at all of you in this audience. This is not a good guy. So yes, we are moving forward with the halftime show. Well, shoot. With the, yeah, we can say halftime. We can, yeah. Can we? I don't know. I forget the, I forget there's a legalese. There are, all American halftime show. So that's, we are moving forward with that on 28, 2026, tune in on all our socials, all our streamers. Real America's voice is going to be taking it. I think a couple other outlets are going to be taking it. People have reached out. And so, so you can watch it. We're going to have it from, there's going to, it's going to be a number of acts. We haven't announced them yet. We're still making final tweaks on it, actually. We added a huge name just this week on it. So we are moving for it. It's going to be great. It's going to be all Americana. It's going to be faith, family, and freedom. It's going to be exactly the perfect answer to what's going on with Bad Bunny. And I wish we didn't have to do it. But we're going to do it. We have a question from Mick, I believe Mick. about March for Life. Hey, how are you? Hey, Mick, welcome to the show. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Quick little homage to Charlie. He was a big part of helping form the views I have today, you know, going back to the middle school. Met my aunt and L. Colvin, Montana. Great guy. That's awesome. That's great to hear you. My question for you guys, obviously today is the March for Life. We heard from Vice President JD Vance earlier today. And specifically for you, Tyler, have we had any updates on legislation in some of the red states that you guys have been working in on pro-life issues? Yeah, so this has actually been one, I think one of the biggest victories in the Trump era is that the pro-life movement has become stronger. We're in a stronger position because of the president. There's pressure that people don't see that's actually happening from the Trump administration. with executive orders because remember a lot of governors and a lot of presidents operate on pro-life issues based off executive orders so they can ignore laws that have been passed in some cases we've seen that with governors and AGs who have done that and then we've seen you know enacting specific executive orders that actually really trounce on some of the pro-life increases that have happened in some of these states. It's without question. Every poll that we've seen has shown that young people are more pro-life than even the millennial generation. Yeah, Gen Z is definitely more pro-life. And millennials more than Gen X. So the question that you have, which is how do we pass more laws? Well, unfortunately, there's a couple of different things that are happening. The left is trying to pass.

uh constitution changing laws in a lot of places to uh you know after the row v wade overturn like that not to get too deeply into this because we only have a few minutes here but they're trying to pass laws that right into the constitution in the states uh to basically put back into place row v wait um those have passed in some states that you would consider maybe lean right overwhelmingly yeah it was a huge setback so the question now at this point is are there are there different types of pieces of legislation that can limit the amount of abortion that is completed within your state there are while giving access up until the whatever the constitutional number of weeks that gets passing to those states i would just say this is that there's been laws that have been passed like in florida and i've been pushed by texas Ron DeSantis texas the heartbeat bills that are i think i think the most common sense best way forward that that shift the conversation to the right where most anyone that you poll talks about When the heartbeat is detectable, that's when you got to, you have to say there's absolutely no more. That is far better than a 20 week. Usually like a 5 or 6 weeks. It's usually right in the ballpark of 4 to 6 weeks. And so, again, without getting to, because no matter what I say, it will be attacked or. you know it'll go back and more misinterpreted or spun yeah but i think a great step in the right direction as our heartbeat bills we are seeing those get passed in many states and those have to be in the states that a heartbeat bill has not yet been passed i would love to see that now the argument that most people say and they vote against the heartbeat bills is that's not good enough it should be zero abortion again, Charlie would agree with this. I totally agree with that. I would love to live in a state that has zero abortion. However, the problem that happens, like Arizona is a good example of this. We could have put on the ballot a heartbeat bill. And the Republican legislative decided not to do that because they were afraid that it would not be popular enough or whatever. Again, like Florida had put on, Texas had done. And instead, what happened was another constitutional amendment got passed that basically put into place Roe v. Wade-style numbers. It's tough. And one thing we have to confront that Charlie was frank about is conservative abortion views are, they're usually not a majority opinion. generally when we've had an up or down vote on abortion restrictions it doesn't go great we've had some better ones in florida it went well because they needed 60% in south dakota i think is the only one where it's just an up or down needed 50% vote to repeal a strict abortion law failed so that was great i was very happy about that but it is tough we have to

We won in the Supreme Court, and the thing about it is that did not end the battle. In a sense, it began the battle. The left had just said, oh, it's actually unconstitutional to really debate abortion seriously. And once you overturned that, it wasn't abortion suddenly illegal. It was, we're allowed to make the case. And what we've seen, frankly, is it's sad to say, there's a lot of young women who might go to church and they might say that they said they were pro-life when it wasn't, the stakes were not there. But once it really was an up or down vote, On that right, they turned the other way. And we've seen that in the polls, that young women have become sharply more pro-abortion in the last three years. Yeah. And I would say, you know, this question is putting me back, Mick, into that 2024 headspace when, if you'll remember, we were all arguing about whether or not there was this hidden woman vote and Trump was going to get crushed because of the abortion issue. The Democrats were trying to make it a huge issue. They were trying to sneak that like they did in Arizona. onto the ballot because they thought, well, if people are going to come out to the polls to vote in favor of abortion, that Trump's going to lose. The good news is that obviously Trump won. The abortion topic did not end up sinking his candidacy, and we have Trump 47 now. So I would say the news is good and bad. The news is that you can overcome this politically, and conservatives need to get a backbone. I am 100% pro-life in every single conceivable possible way. So, and it sounds like I join you with that. And there have been, you know, restrictions, you know, whether it's South Carolina, Florida, Tennessee, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Utah's even appropriated money to their pro-life Utah. So there's broader efforts that are happening. But, you know, to Blake's point, in Kansas, you saw a rejection. Kansas, you saw a rejection of a pro-life measure. Kentucky, you saw a, with 5941, it lost. Ohio. 57 to 43. These are reliably red states that are declining to pass pro-life ballot measures. So when you have that kind of dynamic, I think it scared off a lot of conservatives and conservative legislation. If you want to make a gain at this point, one of the most important things you could do is the states that should be going our way and they didn't because they have bad courts. So we had Wyoming, I think one week ago, Wyoming, their Supreme Court. went and said, actually, you have a right to abortion because of the Obamacare law that we passed. It's health care. Utah also, I believe their Supreme Court is what upheld more liberal abortion regime. So if you want our two best states to pick up are those two by making their state courts actually aligned with what conservative voters believe. And I think that's our best chance to make some gains. I'm looking at the map here. We could probably make improvements in Nebraska. Oh, another. Nebraska has a law that we need to change to make more conservative. What a, what a shock. Missouri potentially. That's where we have our best odds. And I hate to, we hate to give you the incremental answer, Mick, but like to Tyler's earlier point, things like heartbeat laws actually have a good PR spin. It kind of feels better. Normie voters who aren't. tuned into this stuff all the way. Maybe it's easier to vote for that stuff. Most importantly, it's a step in the right direction. It's like if you have nothing now, get something on the board and then go more conservative after that. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.