3669 - DOJ Indicts ICE Activists; Billionaire Stops Dem's Rally with Hasan Piker w/ Ken Klippenstein, Melat Kiros

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It is Thursday, June 18th, 20206. I am your host for today, Matt Binder, and this is the five-time award-winning The Majority Report. We are joining from you live. Oh, I got to edit this for myself, right? We are joining you live just steps from the chop shops outside of Cityfield, home of the New York Mets. It also steps away from the New York, New Jersey fan zone for the 26 World Cup. That's in Queens.

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We got Trump officially. Actually, he didn't think he officially, well, he did officially announce it, but after the Iran Memorandum of Understanding or MOU sort of leaked and word got out. And let me tell you something. Trump is great at deals, folks. We're going to get into a little bit of this great. deal, the greatest deal you've ever seen in just a little bit. Of course, like I mentioned to you right now, the New York Knicks, the 2026 NBA champions

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It was a sports show today, I guess. It is Thursday. We do have a couple of guests, too. And we do have guests, that's right. I should mention that too. Because Emma, before leaving, did put together some great interviews for all of you. First up, we got Ken Klippenstein, who's going to be discussing the 15 anti-ice activists indicted by the Justice Department. We also have Malat Kiroz joining us, a candidate for Colorado's first congressional

district. But let's get to that Ken Klippenstein interview first, and then we'll get into a little bit of the Iran deal before we go to the second half. But Emma interviewed independent journalist who covers security and U.S. politics for Clip News, Ken Klippenstein. And it's a very interesting discussion about the anti-ice activists who've been indicted by the Justice Department. Brian, you got that interview cued up. Yeah, and they were all indicted under that SMP7. I forget the initials, but this is something that Klippinstein was the only journalist in the world who's been reporting on, which is basically just free reign to arrest anybody who has anything critical to say about this administration. Oh, and do I do do I, do I, do I, do need the ad.

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We are back, folks, and we are joined once again by a friend of the show, Ken Clippenstein, independent journalist covering security and U.S. politics at Clip News on Substack. Ken is one of the most important independent journalists in the country. Ken, welcome back to the show. Hey, Emma, good to be back. Good to see you. And I'm glad. we have you on today because these charges that are being leveled against these protesters who were protesting ICE are really alarming. And the way that the federal government is targeting them is equally alarming. You've done so much reporting on this. NSPM 7. This is the basis by which the feds are using the legal basis they're using to charge these protesters. Let's start from the

beginning. What is NSPM 7 and what does it direct federal law enforcement agencies to do? It stands for National Security Presidential Memorandum 7. They're often classified for whatever reason. This one wasn't. But in a sentence, what it does is it tells the entirety of the federal government to start making counterterrorism cases against individuals. And they're supposed to find these cases by monitoring speech, different forms of speech that NSPM 7 says, are indicators of future acts of terrorism. And if you look at those forms of speech, they are very broad. They're categories that describe millions of people. It's not membership in a group like Al-Qaeda or ISIS, like is how terrorism has been defined historically. It is things like anti-Christian sentiment,

anti-Christian sentiment, anti-traditional family values, whatever that means, sentiment. I mean, these really broad designators that when the order was first promulgated last year, after and in response to the murder of Charlie Kirk. I was trying very hard to draw attention to it. I appreciate you're having me on the show. Other independent media were great about seeing the writing that was on the wall. But mainstream media largely wrote it off, I think, just because it reads so over the top and ridiculous that I think there was this impression that it was like, well, how are you going to implement

that? This is more Trump bluster what's actually going to happen. Well, now we see what happens because, you know, it's not like he signs it in the next day you're rounding people. up. It takes time for the FBI and the other federal law enforcement intelligence agencies to pull together evidence to try to make a case that they have some hope of at least getting a grand jury to sign off on. We'll see what happens with whether or not a jury upholds the charges. But the fact that these, you know, 16 people have been dragged front of court, have their lives upended, had the word terrorism put next to their names all over the news, that has always

been, you know, my biggest concern about this is the chilling effect that it's going to have on speech. and people that look at it and say, maybe I don't want to go to protest. I don't want something like that's happened to me. But so in a nutshell, that's what NSPM 7 is. How can the directive of this manner have legal weight, the legal weight that's being assigned to it? I mean, it's not in the law. This is just Trump kind of directing the FBI to focus more on these kinds of cases. And as you mentioned, this is about anti-Christian views, anti-American views, violence on the radical

left. It's very much about targeting the left and protesters on that end specifically. But a presidential directive in this manner, it doesn't necessarily, it doesn't, it's not written into law. So what does it do? Why is it so harmful even if it's not codified? Yeah, let's the FBI and other federal agencies start to collect intelligence and pull together things, basically predicate investigations absent a crime. Counterterrorism is kind of a propaganda word. I try to avoid using it in my articles because what it is is a euphemism for pre-crime, which is an actual crime has not been committed. Typically when you're, you know, law enforcement, what you're trying to do is find, okay, here's the evidence of the

crime that's been committed. And like you're saying, they can point to a statute or law that was that they think was broken, pulled together evidence, presented to a judge. In counterterrorism, you don't need that. You can look at what are called indicators, which is itself another kind of euphemism for speech that they think is indicative of a future crime being committed. And the whole point of counterterrorism, you know, if that sounds controversial, it should be. But the whole idea of it is you reserve it for the most serious crimes like 9-11 that are so unthinkable that it's like, okay, we have to take the gloves off and pursue them aggressively. Whatever you think of that, and I have plenty of skepticism of counterterrorism.

It's a completely different thing to talk about that in relation to ISIS and al-Qaeda, in groups with like funding and organizational structure and actual like mission to conduct, you know, mass attacks. And now they're applying it to these groups that it's like they haven't killed anybody. There's, you know, I looked at the complaint. There's not strong evidence that they even. So if you look at, so how is this being used then, given that it's not a law? They're using that to open the investigation. And once they've opened the investigation and looked at things and try to pull evidence together, they charged them under a law that does exist. So in these cases, one of the felony charges isn't NSPM 7.

Again, that's just the way that you predicate the investigation. The charges are impeding federal law enforcement. So they're trying to make the case that these protesters, either by, you know, doxing people are posting information about them, that, you know, the federal government is saying, oh, this is impeding our ability to conduct ICE operations. So they don't need NSPM 7 to be in the law for it to be a way that they can take advantage of other laws that are already on the books to go after people with.

and that's what they're doing here. Basically, then, the NSPM 7 is a directive to tell the feds that this is the group of people that you should be looking into, to basically select a pool and then find certain crimes in that pool of people. What are the charges then stemming from that focus that are being leveled against these over a dozen protesters in Minnesota? Well, they vary. In some cases, they're trying to say that they're Antifa adjacent, which relates to another executive order separate from NSPM 7, where Trump actually designated them a domestic terror group, which in itself is extremely unusual. You know, terror groups are supposed to be foreign terrorist organizations designated by the State Department, because it is understood that you can't have constitutional rights be reliably respected if the FBI can just investigate you on these pre-crime bases that I was describing. before. But in any case, that's how some of the group is being characterized. But again, a lot of the case comes down to this argument that they are impeding ICE's ability to go around and carry

out of the same kind of case that they try to make against people in Chicago, including someone running for Congress at the time. So this is the kind of tool that they've settled on. And it was what I was worried about initially, which is, okay, yes, NSPM is not a law, but that doesn't mean the federal government. They have armies of lawyers whose job it is to try to come up with. Okay, what law can we get them on now that we've been able to look at, not just their social media content, but through the Treasury Department, their banking information. They're going through everything to try to find whatever they can. And so when you look at this complaint, again, people, I saw some of the reporting out there like, oh, this is shaky, it's unlikely to survive.

They ended up dropping charges against a lot of people in Chicago. That's all true. But think about these poor people who've had their lives upended and have to go through this entire process. That's dangerous in itself, whether or not you get sent to prison over it. I think it's really glib to see people on television saying, oh, what, you know, they won't go to jail. What's the big deal?

It's like, try to picture you having to go through this. Well, they do. They do when they empathize with James Comey and like John Bolton. People are the best lawyers on earth. 100%. But that's who they relate to more than they do protesters. who are, God forbid, they get in the streets and cause all this ruckus.

Like, no, I mean, ICE was terrorizing these communities. We should not forget what was happening at the start of the year and why these Minnesota protesters had to come out to protect their neighbors. And we had multiple people die. ICE killed people. DHS killed people during that time period. And yet we have had no, we've had a catch and kill operation on the federal investigation into the officers that committed those killings in Minnesota.

It's hard to not to see this as like a revenge fantasy playing out by ICE to go after these protesters who humiliated them. I did a story at the time interviewing people, and I talked to close to a dozen ICE officers, and the morale was in the toilet. Everybody, everyone I talked to you thought that what took place was either murder or something that the ICE agents shouldn't have carried out. And so the impression I got was that they were deep.

humiliated by those protesters. And if you look at what happened in the wake of it, there were some real achievements in terms of removing Kristi Noem, who was at the time the Secretary of Homeland Security, which is the kind of department above ice that contains ice within it. They ended up withdrawing all these Border Patrol agents that they had sent to Minnesota. And based on the ICE people that I talked to, it was understood that, like, wow, we lost. We lost this war. And so, I don't have any inside information about this, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some element of like, we have to get these guys for just, you know, straight, straight up, like, shifting public opinion.

I mean, by the way, this is the same reason that the Trump administration is trying to starve Cuba right now because of humiliation from the past and the way that Cuba has humiliated the United States and has not really come to heal, been brought to heal and opened itself up to Canada. It's just like a very far-right construction of how the state should operate. It just strikes me like this obsession with revenge and reclaiming some sort of dignity. It's it's very fascistic in the way that it's spoken about. But that's just a bit of a thematic point to the side of the reporting. There's apparently only one charge that alleges violence and the rest of it is like emotional distress and posting on Facebook. I mean, I'm not joking.

They literally think doxing is terrorism. That's not a joke. They believe this stuff. And that's what they're promulgating. And when I talk to the officers, a lot of them who even are sympathetic on stuff, they are starting to adopt this kind of paranoid mindset of that, you know, a shit post or a joke or something. Wait, I'm sorry, Ken.

Can I just pause for a sec, the doxing part? Like, what do you mean by that? Because is this in reference specifically to the officers that were involved in the killings of prety and good, that their identities were revealed by these protesters? No, not that. specifically, but just people that are doing like open source stuff where they'll go through federal employees, things and just post information about them. They consider that a violent, like do you remember when Elon Musk said somebody was posting the open source coordinates of his

plane and he said these are assassination coordinates? And everybody laughed. Well, turns out after Charlie Kirk in particular, the Trump administration has adopted that attitude in spades. Anything that's completely open information, it's not secret, it's not illegal to publish. And when I talk to people, they believe this stuff. It's not just a line that they say. They are convinced that there are these shadowy groups out to get them and that they're going to be the next Charlie Kirk unless they. I can't overstate how sincere the belief in this threat that a lot of people laugh at, you know, like Antifa safe houses. And it's like, come on. But they really buy, a lot of them really believe this stuff.

And it's, it's alarming. So how did the defendants respond to these charges? What are their like lawyers saying? What is the legal defense against what is clearly? in my view, an attempt from the federal government to criminalize free speech and protests. All of this is protected in the First Amendment, all of it. Yeah, the tendency of any lawyers to tell your client not to talk to media and things, and that ends up having this perverse.

There's a perverse incentive, which is that's good advice to give your client, but then the public doesn't get to see the fallout of something like this and how it upends somebody's life and what the effect is on their ability to continue expressing themselves politically. So I think that's something that tends to happen in all these cases. I have so many examples of people that will talk to and they'll be like, oh, I really want to share this with you, but my attorney saw me not to. And so as a result of that, I'm not saying the attorneys are wrong to do that, but it deprives the public of a lot of insight into how broad-based these efforts on the part of the Trump administration and the FBI are to carry this stuff out that, like you said, there's very little evidence for. I mean, this is kind of like a subject, some ICE agents subjectively felt as though he was.

in danger or something. And that's, you know, I'm simplifying a little bit, but that's, that's a large part of their case. And that was a large part of the case in Chicago, a lot of which has been dropped. And so I'm guessing we'll see something similar here. But again, people being thrown away in Supermax, that was, that's not my concern. My concern is they can't do this in response to people expressing their political views about anything. And we shouldn't tolerate that because the message people are going to take from that is, well, I'd better not express certain political views. Yeah, that I think is, uh, the core here.

And there was a lot of, there were a lot of rumblings that Kash Patel was going to get fired. And that doesn't seem to be the case. But he is doing whatever the administration really wants here in using their strategy of going after anybody, activists that may be throwing a wrench into their policies here domestically. What is their basis, by the way, for calling Antifa a domestic terrorist organization and linking any activists that they feel like to Antifa? Because there is no structure of Antifa. It is just a cobbled together group of antifascists that show up when they want to protest fascism. It's just amazing to me because we see how immensely structured right-wing militia groups are, the ones that Trump would tell to stand back and stand by.

They have formal organizations. Antifa's not like that. And yet the right makes it into that. Yeah. So if you look at the executive order that Trump issued the last year designating them, a domestic terrorist organization, it defines it pretty broadly. And that's part of what made it so dangerous. I was trying to warn people at the time that even though there's no such group that

calls itself anti-fell, that doesn't mean that that's how the FBI internally and secretly is going to define it. And how they end up defining it is a lot of those same criteria that I was talking about earlier, which is, you know, opposition to constitute authority or you can go and read the list, but they've kind of defined it in such a way that they can apply it to all of these, you know, anti-ice protesters, anti-Trump protesters, general left-wing groups. So I think it's become a catch-all for anybody who's anti-Trump administration and ends up not being something where you can say, oh, I've never identified as anti-Trump. if that turns out not to be like a defense against the kinds of spying that they're doing now

and which constitutes most of what it is that they're doing. When you see something to go to court, that is something they will have spent months or even years trying to develop. The big thing that the proverbial iceberg here is what are they doing to spy on people, develop informants, pull together financial information, look at social media. You know, I mentioned informants, and that is a huge part of the process of how they find stuff out is they start tasking people to go to groups and come back with information about what they might have witnessed. So that's really at this point the major part of what's happening and what's

unusual about this case that you have me on to talk about is that's a, this is now an instance where we can say, see, this is what it results in. And this is kind of the first case, I think, where the Justice Department has overtly invoked NSPM 7 and said, this is the result of that. And unfortunately, I think we're going to see a lot more of that to come now. that were about a year out from when all this was put into effect. And the FBI will have had some time to pull together evidence and make their cases. Can you just reflect on that the overall theme of how terrorism and counterterrorism and that infrastructure is applied domestically now?

You know, I cite this book, Homeland by Richard Beck, which was a phenomenal book. But, you know, there's a lot of talk about how, like, this is so much war on terror. there's a lot of writing about how this is war on terror blowback in many ways. And we see this in the way that police departments were militarized with material that taxpayers paid for in the Iraq War that they didn't have any use for anymore. They overpaid and it would be sent to your local police department. But that was, I think, some of the more obvious visual examples, how militarized local policing has become. But on the federal level, man, and this is bipartisan, the infrastructure,

of and this was under Obama too with the NSA. The fact that since 9-11 we've developed this large national security infrastructure that includes

DHS and ICE didn't exist before that and the catching of all of people's data people warned about this back when there were there were a lot of liberals

on Obama high and they didn't want to acknowledge the reality that that had was engaging in this. It's like what happens if a bad guy comes into power and has all of these tools that you need? And I know like Obama did bad things too, but I'm just making the liberal argument here. What happens when a guy, maybe the guy like Trump comes into power and he has all these tools at his disposal? You see how this is being implemented. They did this a little

in the first term. There were informants in the Black Lives Matter protesters and reporting protests and reporting has confirmed that. But this is so much more formal. And it's almost like it's almost like they're sprinting to criminalize activism because they got a test run the first time at how they can use the tools of the federal government in this way. Yeah, we're really living under the shadow of 9-11 in a lot of ways. Because in response to that, we launched what was called the global war on terror. But that was drawn down, I think, under the Biden administration. But instead of shuddering all that, they kept basically the entire behemoth that they had built up.

And just to give you a sense of the size and scope of this thing, they created what are called joint terrorism task forces in every state across the country, constituting thousands of local law enforcement officers who were deputized, essentially, as FBI agents able to carry out things that someone endowed with federal authorities can. And those are the groups that are being tasked specifically in NSPM 7 to go out and make these cases collect intelligence on the on the supposed threat actors and that is a system which did not exist before 9-11 they created what are called fusion centers at least one in every state many states that has several and the idea is to take intelligence gathered by local law enforcement

and to share that with the federal government or vice versa share intelligence from the federal level down the state level something else that was created after 9-11 and which was not set back when the global war and terror was sundown. In a lot of ways, they just took these groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS and just swapped out the bad guy, and now it's Antifa and left-wing groups. If you look at the National Counterterrorism Strategy with Sebastian Gorka, the Senior Director of Counterterrorism,

authored recently. I think it came out maybe two months ago or so. It explicitly lists for the first time ever leftists, left-wing groups, trans people. I mean, this is really extraordinary stuff. And I think because of the wackiness of the Trump administration, people are just kind of like, oh, this is more crazy talk.

But it's like, no, that's a formal strategy document that promotions are going to be based on resource allocation is going to be decided off of. And it's tasking the federal government to say, hey, guys, you really actually have to go after this. This isn't just rhetoric. This is our architecture for the next two years

and what you need to work around. Well, horrifying stuff. Ken Clippenstein. everybody please check out clip news on substack but it's also it's ken clipinsign.com right. Yep, that's right. I think I'm the only one. Not a common one. I think so. I think so. It's distinctive. Independent journalists covering security and U.S. politics. We will put a link to that down below wherever people are listening to or watching this. Ken, thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate it. Great to talk to you, Emma.

Great to talk to you as well. We are back. Hope you all enjoyed that interview that Emma Viglin cooked up for you all with Ken Klippenstein before she went down to the Knicks Parade. Those scenes coming from the parade route are just out of this world. People can't get off the train stations. I saw that. That is spilled into the stairs.

Oh, into the, oh, wow. I saw the announcement at like 7 a.m. where they said that the streets are full. Like, they're not letting anyone in because they closed off the blocks to let people in, like security details. So there's like entrances to the parade route. And they said it is full at like 7 a.m. And the parade didn't start until 10. That means people were out there for, I think I saw people were sleeping out there, which is not surprising.

that there'd be people sleeping out there for like a good spot. But I didn't realize you needed to sleep out there just to get in, period. I hope there's footage of like Wall Street investors just losing it, not being able to get to work. That would make me happen. I mean, I hope Emma got in. Otherwise, there might be footage of her losing it because she did. I got the group text has pictures.

She's there. Okay, good. Yeah. It would have been really funny if she took off today and went down there and she got there a little too late.

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And coming up next on the Majority Port is yet another great interview that Emma Viglin Cook. I think this one was the one she recorded as she was literally running out the door at 4 a.m. to stand online for the Knicks. I don't know that actually. I'm just making that up. That's actually closer to truth than you even know. Oh, really? Hmm. Interesting. I was just shooting it out of my... Shooting the shit. But anyway, here's Emma Viglin's interview with Malat Kiro, a candidate for Colorado's first congressional district who was recently under attack by the wealthiest person in Colorado, Phil Anshitz, for attempting to hold a rally with Hasan Piker. I mean, he owns, he owns like two or three of the venues she tried to host it at and he canceled it citing safety concerns.

a big MAGA donor who's now sticking his finger in Democratic politics as well. Oh, boy. All right. Well, I bet Emma Vigland and her guest, Malakiros, breaks this down in a way that

makes you feel like there is hope around the other side that people, very wealthy people, won't be able to control venues that you do interviews or campaign events or podcast shows

or anything else that you hope. whole that you use the venue for, they don't control that for much longer. All right. Here's that interview now. We are back and we are joined once

again by Malat Kiros candidate for Colorado's first congressional district. Graham Platner, welcome back to the show. Thanks so much for having me. So happy to have you. The third time's the charm. I'm not sure we've ever had a candidate on three times, but this is how strongly

I feel about your candidate see in Colorado's first, which is Denver-ish in in Colorado. Over the weekend, though, our friend Hasan Piker was supposed to head to Denver to host a rally with you, State Senator Julie Gonzalez, who is challenging John Hickenlooper, the senator, in a primary. But there were a bunch of venue cancellations mysteriously. Yeah. Let's just start there. What has a happened, how did the first venue cancel on you, and how much was Hassan's presence kind of central to that? Yeah. You know, the first venue cancellation was about a week before the rally was supposed to be, and they cited H-FAC concerns, which was really curious because, you know, they said they were

canceling all their events through the weekend, and they were definitely still hosting events this past weekend. The second venue canceled for us on, I think it was two or three days before the venue, the rally was supposed to happen. And they cited significant community pressure. And then the final venue canceled on us literally the morning of the rally as our team was pulling up to bring in all the supplies and the equipment. And so, and for the same reason, They were getting messages and a lot of pressure from, you know, other people in the establishment, other people in like the landlord corporate space that were saying, you know, really outrageous things about what we were doing with our rally. Apparently there was some accusation of it being a neo-Nazi rally, which was just ludicrous and incredibly dangerous and harmful. And it was really frustrating.

And, you know, especially when we're talking about going up against the establishment, going up against incumbents, and talking about policies and issues that a super majority of Democratic voters support and being silenced and suppressed in this way was incredibly, incredibly frustrating and also just wrong. But they didn't stop us. You know, we decided on the morning of with that final cancellation that they, you know, Justin Pearson said this. I loved it so much. He said the owners of the building can cancel this rally, but they can't stop us from building this movement. And so we went to the people's house. We went to the Capitol steps within just a few hours,

over a thousand Denverites pulled up to hear what we were talking about, to hear our platform, to hear our message, and to commit to joining us in this fight for a better world because they can do everything they can to try and silence us and stop us, but they failed, and they'll continue to fail. And we're going to take this home on June 30th. And I mean, I think that people might say, okay, well, they're a private business. They can do what they want.

They can cancel these events. But you have to ask when it's one, then two, then three, what's actually going on here? Because, yeah, perhaps you're going to have one event that is too far right and doesn't like that you support Palestine, doesn't like that you want to tax billionaires. We get it. but for this to be so coordinated, what is your team's assessment of the sequence of events of events here? Yeah. Yeah. And most especially because the people that we were working with directly on the ground, right? The staff and the immediate management of all these businesses, they were so excited to host us and really were helping us really graciously throughout the whole process. but it was corporate landlords and ownership that pulled the plug on this from happening. And, you know, all I know is that the Congresswoman started signaling to her corporate donors and to super PACs a few weeks ago to start attacking me, to start attacking this campaign.

And she's been ramping up even with, you know, there was this really horrific blog that has been accusing me of rationalizing the murder of Jewish people. which could not, it is such a racist and dangerous attack, all based on my solidarity and standing up against the genocide and making sure that we're talking about the context and violence in which all that it happens. And, you know, when she put that on her website to signal to donors to run with it, no one took the bait. So she started running it with her, running it herself. And those ads are still up on Meadow right now.

And on the morning of the rally, she made this social media post, wrongfully calling Hasan Piker an anti-Semite and a bigot and putting me in the same bucket. And so, you know, all I know is that the same donor is supporting to get and the establishment are the same donors that own a lot of these buildings.

And they're working really hard to try and silence us. But we're working even harder because organized people beats organized money. And we're just not going to stand for this. It is amazing to me how you have these Zionist donors that are so cavalier.

about using the cudgel of anti-Semitism, specifically against Hassan. And I just want, you know, they use this attack against Abdul El-Sayed, and it caused him to surge in the polls. And I think that these donors, they acted as a proxy because candidates don't want to go after Abdul El-Sayed by saying,

isn't it scary that he's a Muslim? Isn't it scary that he's a Muslim? So they use Hassan as a bit of a proxy. Now, for you, it's a similar situation where it's just like they are perverting the idea of anti-Semitism to basically say if you have black or brown skin and you're criticizing the genocide that Israel's committing, that is anti-Semitism. And it really is weaponized, I think, most acutely against Muslim people, but people of color in generally.

In general. No, without question. And I think it's so dangerous, especially because, and I think I get the most frustrated because because this gets posed sometimes and, you know, mainstream media is this being this like controversial, divisive issue? And it's like, no, it's not, right? The voters are actually all on the same page here. A super majority of Democratic voters agree that a genocide is happening. A super majority of Democratic voters agree that they want the party to end all aid to Israel. You cannot tell the American people to not believe what they're seeing with their own eyes and to make it abundantly clear that the

violence that we're seeing right now is an extension of decades of occupation and apartheid that's been taking place. And to use this accusation of anti-Semitism so callously and so dangerously, when actual anti-Semitism is on the rise, just like Islamophobia is on the rise, just like violence and bigotry goes on the rise when you have conflicts like this that are getting perpetuated by our taxpayer dollars. It is so disingenuous. And it is so, it is, it is clearly a tactic that is uninterested in actual peace building. They are uninterested in actually addressing the conflict in a meaningful way and ensuring that our taxpayer dollars are not funding more of this violence, but is rather finding

the diplomatic solutions that we need. And so it is, it's ridiculous. And I think the Democratic voters are over it and are seeing right past it. I can't tell you how many people I've had reach out to me. People that were even bling on supporting to get. that saw these attacks and could tell immediately that they were disingenuous and were really racist and dangerous that are it's really obvious that she's operating on the back foot right now and that she's in a defensive posture uh you had a great answer on on israel i i reposted it on

instagram and i got like a curious like even from from someone in my life where i was like oh this one this person over that's a that's a good that's a good sign um about this very issue where you said that a lot of people feel like Israel is the only safe space for Jews. And that's a problem. We need to make it safe for everybody to be here. And I just thought it was another great way to disarm some of the talking points that come out of Zionists. But I don't want to spend an entirety of our interview on just that issue because that's a huge part of your campaign. And I think it shows voters that they can trust you to stand up on a variety of different issues.

But I think the donors see the same thing. Like if you stand up on Palestine, oh, you're serious about going after bad landlords. You're serious about going after billionaires. You're serious about universal health care and all of this. And so one of these billionaires that was highlighted in the piece that I read in the Colorado Times reporter is somebody who I believe has heavy investments in some of the venues that canceled on you. This guy, Philip Anschultz, Anschitz, he's the wealthiest man. Oh, sorry, say it again. Anshutz, yeah.

And Schultz. He's the wealthiest man in Colorado, a major, major right-wing donor, not about Israel necessarily, but you see how that is, it shows that, you know, it's going to affect his bottom line in other ways. What was this billionaire's role in undercutting the ability for you guys to hold this rally? You know, we can't say for certain. We got these cancellations at the last minute for reasons that only cited. community pressure, but it is not a coincidence, right? I don't think that Anschutz is an owner or has an ownership stake in two of these different venues. And so when we're talking about what is at stake in this election and what we're trying to accomplish with, you know, getting real fighters into power that are going to be unbought and unafraid to hold corporations and billionaires accountable, this is what they're afraid of. And this is what they're afraid of. And this is what they're

trying to suppress and to silence. And I think more than anything, this is an indication to voters because I think a lot of people are looking at the system and looking at the economy and are feeling, you know, does the loss of faith that things could change? And, you know, just giving in and feeling despondent. And this is evidence that what we're doing is working. You know, the fight that we are putting forward, the movement that we are building, not just here in Denver. You know, I had the honor of also hosting Representative Justin Pearson from Memphis, Tennessee, and Representative Donovan McKinney from Detroit, Michigan here in Denver for the rally as well. This fight that we are taking for our district is the same fight that we're seeing across the

entire country, and it's about bringing back power to working people. And so to know that we have billionaires like Phil Anshutes that are afraid of what we're building, that's a testament to how close we are to actually delivering real relief for working families and delivering power back to the people. When you say you're building something, can you elaborate on that a bit? Because I think what people may not understand about campaigns is that you can have an infrastructure that withstands or you can have a candidate that parachutes in with a bunch of money from DC or for donors.

And then when they inevitably lose to a Republican, they leave. and there's no infrastructure left. But organizing is really different. And campaigning and organizing is very different, even than just organizing in and of itself. So just some lessons, I guess, maybe for our audience. I think it could be useful to educate them on how you're running. Yeah, absolutely.

And I love this question because I get to brag about my team and all of our supporters and everything. You know, we started this race over 11 months ago. It was me and my friend and this crazy idea of taking on a 30-year incumbent and the establishment that backs her. And we started where I think democracy is supposed to start every time. And that's with meeting the voters where they're at.

And so we were in coffee shops. We were in bars. We were in restaurants. We were in bookstores. We were in parks all across the city, talking to our neighbors and talking about the issues that matter most of them. But more importantly, what kind of world did they want to live in? What kind of country did they want to live in?

And what kind of leadership did they want to see from their elected representatives? and building out a campaign based on those promises, based on those ideas, based on those values. And, you know, for every single person we spoke with, they spoke with their coworkers, they spoke with their family members, their friends. And I think what we are seeing right now is that we've reached a critical mass now here in Denver, where everybody is finally catching on to the fact that there is a real challenger in this race and that we don't have to settle for another term, a 16th term, from a do-nothing corporate back. act establishment Democrat. We can and should have better. And meeting voters where they're at and answering those questions and making myself available. Because at the end of the day, your job is a candidate. Your job in running a campaign is to make a case and to earn the trust of voters so that they can put their faith in you at the ballot box and send you into the halls of powers so that you can

fight for them. And so it took a long time for us to build a kind of infrastructure to now where we have over 8,000 individual donors. We have over a thousand volunteers. We are knocking on thousands of doors every single week in this city. We're going to hit 100,000 doors by the end of this campaign. What we're building is going to outlast this race. It's going to outlast this campaign. And that's what I set out to do from the very beginning, because it's not just about one candidate. It's not just about one campaign. The movement that we are building right now has to be able to transfer over to every other different race that's happening across the city, to every mutual aid opportunity that's available in the city, we have to be standing united as working

people against this oligarchy, because that's what it is, right? We're not in a democracy, or this is an oligarchy. And every single person that is working for a wage or working for a salary, you're in this with us. And making that case to every single voter who's in that position so that they know that it doesn't have to be this hard and it shouldn't have to be this hard. And if only we elect the kind of representation that understands that and is going to be unafraid to actually fight for the legislation that we need to change that, that's going to be when things change. And that's what we're building here in Denver. Boom. Love it.

Graham Platner, where can people go to support your campaign? Again, it's June 30th is the primary. It's not too far away. Yeah, it's coming up real quick. Less than two weeks. Yeah, less than two weeks. So if you are here in Denver, go to win.cirosforco.com. Actually, if you're anywhere, go to win.cirosforco.com.

That's where you can sign up for an in-person canvas, but you can also sign up to text bank and to phone bank for the campaign, getting the word out. We're up against 30 years of name ID right now. So we just got to make sure that voters know that there's a real progressive challenger in this race, and that's how we're going to win this. And if you can spare a few dollars to donate to the campaign at kurosforcoe.com, it'll be a massive help. Again, no corporate pack money, no billionaire.

money, no special interest money, is a people-powered grassroots campaign. And we're really excited to take this across to the finish line on June 30th. Well, Cam, thank you enough for taking the time today to talk about your race. A Melakiros candidate in Colorado's first congressional district. Once again, the primary is on June 30th. Thanks so much for your time today. Really appreciate it. Thanks for having me again. See you. Of course.

And we are back. All right, folks. That was another great interview from Emma Vigland. And I just want to say that it is now officially the Matt Jardy report. If it wasn't official before, it is now because that's it. Emma's pre-tapes are done. It's all me and Brian now. It's the boys once again.

Binderpocalypse. Yeah. All right. So nothing but pro wrestling and World Cup and punk rock talk from here on out. All right. We'll be analyzing how Messi is still the goat and Ronaldo is not ever. We'll be analyzing. We'll be listening to anti-Symex's first seven-inch.

Right, yep. We got some great stuff here for you, folks. But before we go to the fun half, this is going to be fun too. We decided, Brian and I were discussing in the background during those interviews that we were going to give you guys on the free half, a little taste of the fun we're going to have and the fun half. And that fun is not going to sound like fun when I say this, but once you see the clips, you'll get it. But that fun is about the Iran memorandum of understanding with the U.S. the MOU Barrel laughs at MOU

Yeah, Barrow of I mean it is It is quite funny Because literally if you If you dive into it And obviously they'll be I'm sure Sam and Emma Have experts that they're booking

To really go through the The minutia and the fine details of it But from what it leaked out And then the Trump administration came out And then had to finally just say Oh this is At first they were playing like, oh, when the leak came out, the Trump administration's official position was,

that's not true. That's not the details. That's not the details of the MOU. That's false. Fake news. But it's like, okay, then just provide us with it. But then the questions from even their own right-wing audience, their own right-wing media outlets, and Fox News was really, you know, and other media outlets were pushing hard.

Like, what is in this? Why are you guys keeping it secret? And then yesterday, it came out officially. and Trump spoke on it at the G7, I think, right? That's right. But once it was out there, the reaction from literally everyone, even Trump's own, I mean, aside from the maga cult, the cultists who stand by Trump no matter what, which you, you know, I know some of you were saying, oh, that's Fox News and stuff. And for the most part, it usually is. but when it comes to Iran and this deal,

even Fox News, at least some hosts on Fox News, we're like, what's going on here? Yeah, we played Brian Kilmeade yesterday, just ranting on it. Yeah, and then we got some clips coming up in a little bit of others in the right wing of media sphere, just going nuts over this. But this deal, I can't imagine that someone who's so great, and making deals like Donald Trump, would have come to this one,

would it come to this deal. Just to run by some quick key terms here of the, the MOU with Iran and the U.S. Iran and their allies agree to immediately and permanently end military operations, which Israel did not actually end up agreeing to. Let me tell you, the Israeli,

I'm sure Israeli government figureheads were really pissed, but they haven't really come out. as far as I've seen publicly because they still want to have this good relationship with Trump but others in like the very pro-Israel media sphere have been I saw one person tweet out

Save us Biden it's like what it's like no you guys you guys got everything you wanted with Biden but wasn't enough because you thought Trump is going to give you absolutely unfettered access to everything you wanted and not just 99.9%

like Biden was. But here, like, here's the thing, though, with, with the people who threw all in for Trump. Like, Trump always made it very clear that he's the most easily blackmailable person alive. You, you, you put a shiny golden object at the end of a stick and wave that in front of Trump. He'll go towards that. And then if you, the other side holds up a shinier, more golden object, he'll turn around and go to that one. So, like, I don't know what they expected, going for the guy who just goes with whoever gives him whatever he wants or more of whatever he wants. But that's the lesson they're learning now.

Also, we had a, the U.S. will begin removing its naval blockade immediately. Iran will use its best efforts, though, just its best efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz. And I think I even saw Iran would be able to. institute a fee like a toll to use the straight of Hormu is. It's the best deal, the best deal, best deal ever. The U.S. and regional partners have a mutually agreed plan of at least 300 billion for Iran's reconstruction and economic development. Now, when this first came out there, people who immediately were knocking on Trump for the U.S. government paying $300 billion. as the details have come out, it is a fund, like a private fund where, you know, private entities will put in this money.

So it's not, as far as we know right now, U.S. taxpayer funded. But also I saw that at least half of that $300 billion has already been accounted for. So the Trump administration has been doing some hard work behind the scenes to make sure Iran gets its money. And that's the thing, though, right? Like, if you all remember the Iran deal, Obama's Iran deal, like that was his crowning foreign policy achievement, the Iran deal, where Iran agreed to not pursue nuclear capabilities. And in return, basically, the Obama administration unfroze some frozen Iranian assets. I think it was through the tune of a couple hundred million, if not maybe a couple billion. million dollars, something around that, that amount of money. And to me, my understanding from the

right wing being upset about this being, again, this wasn't the U.S. paying them. This was the unfreezing of assets that were already Iran's. The issue was Iran having access to this money, because obviously, you know, the U.S. government, especially the war mongers, the Nile Khans, they view Iran as enemy number one. So the access to this money where they would assumeably use these funds to make a, if not a nuclear

Iran, but a formidable opponent Iran more capable. That was the issue, right? Well, here's Trump coming in and getting making sure they're going to have a minimum of $300 billion. Well, also unfreezing assets. There is

an unfreezing of assets plan in this as well. And I believe it's, they unfroes more assets, Iranian assets, than the Obama administration did with their Iran deal. The numbers I saw was it was three times more. I saw that $6 billion under JCPOA and $24 billion. I don't know if those are, that's what I've seen. Right. Right. Again, the details are still trickling in. We will have, I'm sure, experts on the fine prints coming in to discuss this. But this is what major news outlets, who ostensibly

have already had people look over this with a fine tooth comb. Obviously, we'll have a different analysis because they've got the more mainstream corporate analysis. But still, there's facts are facts no matter who's covering it. It's just the analysis of those facts are different. But, I mean, this is a guy. And I found this, I don't know if you're going to pull up my tweet on Twitter, but I could just read it. I mean, there are countless tweets from Trump, knocking Obama. for the Iran deal.

But to me, the funniest one was this one. You know, I think I could even just put up on my screen because I'm using a virtual camera here. Okay, cool. So this is the funniest one I saw, which was a Donald Trump tweet from September 2015. That's when Obama was still the president. There's the election year.

Oh, no, it was right before the election year. It was a couple months after Donald Trump announced he was running for president. The deal with Iran will go down as one of the most incompetent ever made. The U.S. lost on virtually every point. We just don't win anymore. I mean, absolutely hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. You cannot.

I mean, you could literally just copy and paste that same tweet to describe Trump's Iran deal. It's fascinating, fascinating. But I can tell you that all you want. But you should hear it from Trump himself. I feel like Trump, this Iran, this Iran, MOU with between the U.S. and Iran. I feel like it's opened up Trump to like a whole new side of Iran. Like he's he's completely, you saw that, you saw that tweet I just showed you. You all know how the neocons and maga feel about Iran.

You all know how Trump feels about Iran. He literally is the president who declared war and went to war with Iran. This Iran MOU comes out of Trump trying to get out of the war. He got into with Iran. But here's Trump now. Just yesterday at the G7 conference in France. Here's him discussing Iran. And again, remember, the Iran deal that Obama had facilitated, Iran agreed no nuclear

capabilities. Here is Trump now on Iran's right to defend itself. In the history of our country. So we'll be working on a parallel effort with the Gulf nations to address

non-nuclear issues such as the conventional ballistic missiles which will be talking about and support. I mean, they have to have some because other people have some. You got to have some. You shouldn't give them one. And I have guys, I don't. I like some of these guys.

But I don't think they're... Don't think they're small. Sir, you shouldn't let them have any missile. I said, well, what am I going to do? They're going to let Saudi Arabia have missiles, but they can't have them? Yes, sir. It doesn't work that way, you know? It doesn't work that way.

Missiles aren't the problem. Missiles, they hurt a little location, but they don't go up the planet. So the Gulf Nations will address the non-nuclear. issues is just just stunning stunning you see a miserable Marco Rubio looks too behind them right

Iran has the right to defend it's funny because like we this deal comes out of us dropping bombs and going to war with Iran and then Trump comes out and says we have a new deal where Iran has a right to defend itself defend itself from who

us like we got to make sure they have missiles so they have a fighting chance against us I mean, Israel, in the U.S. government's view, our number one ally still to this day. I mean, Trump said Saudi Arabia just because that's the safe one for him to say, because he's not going to say they need to defend themselves against us or in Israel. So Saudi Arabia was the safe spot for him. But, I mean, just stunning, really stunning. And he wasn't done either.

He wasn't done. Because speaking of Israel, I just mentioned how, you know, Trump said that Iran has a right to defend itself. And that's why they should have missiles. And the question is to defend themselves against who, US and Israel. Well, this is Trump's views on Israel now. I mean, just a few months, if even that, with some of these Iranian diplomats working out this end of the war, this MOU we have now. Just a little bit of time Trump spent with them. and all of a sudden, Trump's worldview on Israel is at least a little bit altered.

Let's watch this clip. And you'll see that when you see the agreement, but it's appropriate that we release the agreement. And we did send a copy to Israel, by the way. They've been a good partner. Again, I think they could do better with respect to Hezbollah. I'm not saying they shouldn't protect themselves. I'm saying when two drones are shot into the desert, and drop harmlessly, you don't have to knock down buildings in Beirut.

They could behave better. And frankly, they could do a better job. I love them as a partner. They were terrific. But they could do a much better job with Hezbollah. On that, I don't think they're doing well. And I feel very bad for Lebanon. Lebanon's been, you know, it was a great culture.

It was a great. They had the professors, the doctors, the lawyers. It was an incredible culture. maybe the highest in the Middle East for years and years, centuries. And for the last 50, 60 years, they have been just trashed. They have been living in hell. This is just amazing. Listen, on this show, on this leftist, progressive show, we agree with everything Trump is saying.

I mean, except we mean it. And he's just. Except we mean it. Right. He sees polling. right he sees polling he uh he has to get out of this deal so he's got to say some nice thing he's got to get out of this war i should say and into this deal so he's got to say some nice things about iran so iran agrees to the terms um which seem to be most terms seem to have

mostly been dictated by iran to begin with it's a memorandum of surrender and everybody yes it is but like i just want to be clear here i want to be clear here we agree with what Trump is saying. We think that Israel should not, like Trump said, see two drones in the, two drones in the desert, and then knock down buildings in Beiru. We feel that same way about Gaza.

The disproportionate response from Israel has been an issue not for the past few months with Iran, not for the past few years with the most recent, genocide in Gaza for decades. Decades. This is what the left has been saying. I'm glad to see the rest of the world, the rest of the U.S., at least in this case, agree to the point where Trump sees the polling and has to agree with the majority to save his own ass. But I mean, this is where we are right now, where Trump has four, has four, has

forced himself to kowtow to Iran, which is great, but he's forced himself to kow to Iran because he thought he would get into this war like so many other neocon war mongers before him and go in, get what they want, and get out before any damage was really done. Because to the United States of America, baby, they could do whatever we want, most powerful military in the world without realizing that when you go to other countries, They're going to have advantages being that they run certain parts of that geography. I mean, the Strait of Hormu is blocking off ships hurt Trump big time, the gas prices. Any sort of import that comes from that side of the world that was getting blocked by the, especially the gas prices.

The fertilizer, too. What was that? The fertilizer as well. Fertilizer, right, right, right. Kowalski. You remember what Kualski's been saying. But yes, all of that has just got into the point for so long, too. This wasn't like, oh, for, you know, your guest prices will be more in a few weeks, but there'll be no more Iran.

Regime change. Yeah, baby. It went on for not just a few extra weeks, months, months and months. And there was nothing gotten out of it. Trump got nothing. Nothing. There was no winning. This has to be the worst U.S. defeat since, I don't know, you want to help me out here, Vietnam?

I mean, Iraq. I mean, the Taliban is still in Afghanistan. I mean, they're all defeats. That's true. That's true. Yeah, they're all defeats. I guess, yeah, that makes sense since the last one, right? Right. Biggest defeat since the last. I was just trying to think of how easy they thought it was going to be, and I went with Vietnam.

But every one of them makes sense. Oh, man. All right. Let's go to the fun have because this is not over. We got so much more for you. And the best is yet to come. Specifically, we got a collection,

a curated collection of some of the funniest right-wing freakouts you will see over this deal. because, like I said, Trump's own party, the influencers, the talking heads. I can name some people for you right now, the Ben Shapiro,

the Ben Shapiro's, the John Potterhurts, I always forgot how to say his last name. What is it? Potterrets? I think it's Potherts. I don't know. Potherts.

All those guys are freaking out, and we got the clips. We'll also Oh, we got a clip about If you're wondering, everyone's thinking about the Knicks right now You're wondering if the Knicks are going to see Trump at the White House? Well, we got some news for you there too From James Dolan himself.

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We do our usual stuff just without him. And then this morning, Brian's message me and goes, like, literally an hour or two before the show, oh, Brandon can't come today. So it was just you and me. And Matt Lex on vacation. So it was just you and me. I was like, great. You know, let's listen, if you're a longtime listener and viewer of the show, you know I've hosted this show before.

But I would have appreciated a little bit more. of a heads up that it was just going to be me. Yeah, this is, today's been a chaotic mess. So we're doing, we're doing our best. And I think, I think we're holding down the fort pretty good. So with that said, we'll see you all in the fun half. And Sam and Emma will be back here tomorrow for the Friday. That's actually not true.

Tomorrow we are off for Juneteenth. Oh, right. Sam Cedar has an interview that he already taped with Eddie Gleod Jr. about his book, America, USA. Thank you. Thank you for bringing that up after I was going to. Yeah. It's a 40 to 45 minute interview.

And I actually was here for it. And it's very good. So stay tuned for that. That'll be airing tomorrow in lieu of a live show. Listen, I know tomorrow is June 10th, but I know the majority of poor pretty much never takes off. I know. Yeah, that's the great thing about Sam getting a little later in life. He starts to look at the calendar and says, you know, we should respect these federal holidays a little more than we used to.

Yeah, I remember we were there every time I was bringing in the turkey dinner on Thanksgiving. No, I'm just three. We had off.

All right. We'll see you on the fun half. We got a lot more show. Sam's got that interview for you all tomorrow on for Juneteenth. And see you all real soon. Thank you.