The Rod and Greg Show: Airlines Angry at ICE; Wrapping Up the Tuesday Primaries

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Yeah, didn't play well in the hard way. Nor would you would expect it. But she was so, I mean, she was 19 points ahead in one poll, maybe over 20 points ahead in another poll. But are we getting tired of after midnight? late you know whoever's in the lead somehow loses this lead in ways that are hard to describe with thumb drives that don't have information on it or whatever the circumstances were where she was ahead and then she wasn't do you think that there that she legitimately lost this or is this just i mean are we just ever going to be surprised that after midnight unexplainable you know vote dumps happen or ballot counts come and change the outcome of an election Well, it's really bad from Milwaukee because they've had some problems with this in the past. I'm not saying it's anybody's fault or with the case. Maybe it was human error. I was tracking it quite closely in the after midnight out on the West Coast where I live. And they, he was ahead by, it was ranging from 2,000 to 3,000 points in the late night. So to me, he, then he just got even more ahead and they called it for him. But I really wasn't expecting. anyone to call the election after such a glitch. I actually wrote, I wrote a much more hanging in the balance type of lead. And then I decided I was going to just try to keep following it. And as it went on and went on in the night. Finally, they called it for Crowley. People started calling it for Crowley around, I would say, 1.30, West Coast time, so 4.30 a.m. in the morning. Wow. So, yeah, so then I switched my lead. And, yes, I just think. obviously the polls were wrong. Why were the polls so wrong? And why was the media all caught up in it? And can we trust polls at all anymore? Especially when it comes to a low turnout primary. Yeah. Well, and you had the same thing happened in Detroit just a week ago. They gave Abdul El-Sayed a large lead, but it came down to just a couple thousand votes in that race as well. So a lot of questions being raised about the polls. I want to switch and go over to Minnesota. You had Michelle DeFoya win on the Republican side, but yet then you have the lieutenant governor who worked with Governor Tim Walz win on the Democratic side. And I noticed today she talked about corruption and how she's going to fight corruption. Yet she, along with Walls, were in charge of a state where huge amounts of fraud took place. What do you make of that race?

This is the photo that they're going to use in the ad if he makes it to the general election. So I mean, it's going to come back to haunt and you're trying to move. There's going to be all kinds of, you know, maneuvering, and it's going to look really like a jigsaw pattern if you're trying to move left right now to the far left and then you're trying to run to the center to appeal to Wisconsin voters, people in the heartland. and the swing states around the country. Susan Crabtree was real clear news talking about an election roundup last night. A lot of questions, Greg. And we've got to get to a break here, but being discussed the polling. The polling has been so far off on some of these races. I don't even think it's polling anymore. They're just trying to compel outcomes of two of elections. You're right. All right. More coming up. Rod and Greg with you on this Wingman Wednesday and Talk Radio 105.9, KNRS. Rod and Greg, back with you on this Wingman Wednesday in Utah's Talk Radio, 1059, KNRS. Live everywhere on the IHeart Radio app. I'm Rod Arquette. I'm citizen wingman, Greg Hughes. Well, let's continue our conversation, Greg, about the various primaries that were had last night. Kind of mixed results for the socialist within the Democratic Party, a loss in Wisconsin, which surprised a lot of people. The poll sold. Hong, Wong, Wong, whatever name was, it was far ahead. Those darn, you know, thumb drives. They can just have nothing in them. Or they can just have audit data. You don't know. So who knows? But, you know, with our next guest, being a so, remember the saying in the 80s kill a commie for mommy? Yeah. You know, the younglings, they don't really see socialism or communism as a pejorative. They're kind of open to the concept. They think. Yeah. So I think this concept of what are we really talking about? Third worldism, I think it might be a more accurate description. Yeah, well, socialism or third worldism. Joining us on our newsmaker line, our good friend John Daniel Davidson, senior correspondent at the Federalist, John, you talk about this, you say it's not socialism, it's really third worldism, exactly what is that, and why do you say that? Yeah, well, so of course the DSA are the Democratic Socialists of America. who are obviously taking over the Democratic Party establishment. You have candidates like Zohran Mamdani and this guy who won the Michigan Senate primary, a Democratic primary, Abdul El-Sayed. These are people who describe themselves as socialists or communists, and indeed, you know, they have these radical ideas. And they're very much out of step with the American mainstream. But the problem with them is not the socialism per se. Or at least that's not what is causing people to vote for them. It's not like people who support DSA-affiliated candidates have become convinced of Marx's dialectical materialism. And they're like, yes, let's have communism. No, the effect that I describe is it's more third worldism. And what I mean by that is decades of bringing people to this country from the third world, which has brought a kind of third world.

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the candidates might dress it up in the language of socialism or Marxism, but really what it comes down to is a kind of tribalism, taking from an outgroup. to benefit the in-group. And that is a third-world mentality that marks third-world societies and increasingly immigrant communities in the United States. John, this third-worldism, are they looking at the United States saying, hey, this is easy. I mean, you know, we don't care what their rules are. The U.S. is easy for this fraud, and we're going to take advantage of it. Is it that easy for them? Well, they don't have any scruples, right? Like the fact that it's against the law or is against the rules, it isn't much of a deterrent for people who come from societies where that kind of public corruption is endemic, right? Somalia is essentially a failed state. And so you see similar things with people coming from societies like Venezuela, which is also a failed state. corrupt government. It's the same with many countries in Africa of African immigrants who come here. And it's not, I'm not saying to sort of demonize immigrants. This is an observation about how society works in many other places in the world outside of the West. This is just how life is. Fraud, corruption. trying to sort of, you know, get an advantage over and against an outgroup to the benefit of your clan or your family is normal. There's nothing wrong with it. And so that's the attitude that they bring here. So no wonder, and this gets back to the DSA, no wonder they support political party and political candidates who promise to take from one group and give to another. That is in accord with their... values, their cultural values and principles. So here's the thing. We're a democratically elected republic. Okay. So there's not more of them than there are of everyday Americans. And so my question is, are they just really good? Like Abdul El-Sayed becomes a Democrat nominee. Are they just really good at selling their agenda or creating an agenda to voters that really is contrary to their, to the voters own self-interest or? Is voter integrity finding its way into here where did Hung really lose it yet last night? Did the bloom come off the rows with this or did the five, you know, thumb drives have something to do with it? What? How are they seeing such success in a country where the, you know, the majority, the people get to vote and decide what's in their best interest? Yeah, well, I think it's a mix of all of those things that vary by circumstance. You know, I mentioned this in my piece. If you look at the exit polling from the New York mayoral race where Zohran Mamdani was elected, you know, a large majority of immigrants.

in New York voted for Zohran Mamdani and a majority of native-born New Yorkers did not vote for him, right? And so it's not always the case that there are more of us than there are of them. You know, when you have mass immigration for 20 or 30 years at the level that we have had, both legal and illegal, and remember, some of these blue states and blue municipalities, you know, facilitate the voting for even for people who don't have legal, the legal status to be able to vote. then you get kind of these strange electoral outcomes. From the Federalist, John Daniel Davidson, joining us on the Rod and Greg show. The Republican who was selected last night or yesterday in the Minnesota Senate race going against Michelle DeFoya. Okay, Flanagan, I believe, is her last name. Her first statement at her victory party last night, one of her first statements was, we are going to tear apart ice. Yes. Now, she couldn't explain what that means. But she just said we're going to tear it apart. Yep, that's the plan. I mean, I think that the open borders and not holding anyone accountable for breaking the law works well for them. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of advantages. I can see why they'd want that, but I don't think that's good for the rest of us. No, it is not. Well, our next guest is reporting that federal immigration officers are now dramatically stepping up a number of arrests. inside airport terminals. And some of the airlines are starting to push back on this. Joining us on our Nudesmaker line, she's found this story and reporting it today is our good friend, Anna Garretelli, Homeland Security Reporter at the Washington Examiner. Anna, how are you? And welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Hey, guys, good evening. Anna, exactly what is ICE doing at airports? What are you hearing and why are they doing it? Yeah, you know, it's part of the further expansion under President Trump's mass deportation operation. ICE is getting information. When someone buys a ticket, let's say I'm going to fly in three months. ICE doesn't know that I'm going to board that flight. TSA doesn't even know yet, but 72 hours before the flight, TSA is notified by the airport that Anna, with this birthday, with, you know, this social security number, whatnot is going to be on this flight. And so what ICE is now doing is. getting that information 72 hours before flights take off from TSA and able to see, okay, you know, this person on this flight from LAX has overstayed their visa, now they're flying to New York City. We're going to go to the airport and arrest them when they're going through that TSA checkpoint. And in some cases, ICE is going beyond the checkpoint, getting people as they are in the terminal or boarding planes. And so that's what we're seeing more and more of ISIS presence at various airports nationwide. So, you know, I would think that, you know, it is, you know, we have that kind of scrutiny of passengers and it was done under the banner of safety. They didn't want to see incidents happen on planes that were terroristic in nature. But to me, if you're breaking the law and you have a process to fly that is as highly scrutinized as it is, I'm failing to see what the problem is other than they think they might lose customers. What are the airlines pushing back on exactly with ICE and this Trump administration?

Now, the person I spoke with was the spokesperson for Airlines for America, and they are the trade association that represents all the major airlines in the U.S. Delta, American, United, Southwest, Alaska, JetBlue. And what they said was that they were in talks with ICE and TSA. I think the concern is that not just people who are in the country illegally, but people who are minorities. see ice running through the airport that sends a lot of fear through even Americans who don't know am I going to be targeted because my skin is is darker or because I you know I can't be English well or such and so I think for the airlines they're looking at it as this could be bad this could scare some people from wanting to fly potentially Could they even go to our employees? You know, I don't know what the airlines, if they use E-Verify to confirm that their employees are, are in fact U.S. citizens are allowed to work legally. And so it just opens up sort of a can of worms that, you know, if you have these situations. Here's golf legend John Daly. Hell yeah, these wins are piling up faster than my divorces. I only spend on Moto, America's Social Casino. You know I've won a couple of majors. And on Moto, I've won majors, grands, and epic jackpots on their classic Vegas slots with huge, huge bonus rounds. Moto Casino adds new games and awards players, free coins every single day. Grip it and spend it on Moto Casino. Download the Moto Casino app today. Moto Casino is the social casino board where prohibited and purchase necessary visit moto.

It could dissuade some people to not want to fly. Maybe they'll take the train or drive instead. And that could hurt the airline's bottom lines, which always comes down to it's all about the money. Yeah, it's all about the money. Anna, have there been incidents already at some airports that turn kind of ugly with ice agents in the airport? Yeah, you know. I wouldn't say ugly. We've seen a number of incidents several dozen the last few weeks, certainly far more than normal. We saw one incident in Denver where ICE ran onto the jet bridge. to get a person before she was getting onto the plane. And, you know, those are incidents where, you know, they're worried with the best information they have. Might have gone through security. Maybe they were busy doing something else and they wanted to make sure they got to that person. People who oversee visas, it's not a federal crime. It is a federal civil violation. So once they are... taken into custody. They still have to go before a deportation judge and be ordered removed, but they won't be allowed back into the country. They could face fines and other penalties. But it is, you know, I mean, you become an illegal immigrant the hour after you overstay your visa. You know, I find that, you know, we have some trouble. If we're in a recession or there's difficult times, it seems like the airlines line up to go to Washington and eat some bailouts. They need some federal funds to keep things going. They paint a pretty grim picture of how they're going to be able to stay or, you know, operating under certain economic circumstances. If they're receiving federal money, unless they can show that this interrupts our other passengers in terms of our takeoff times or arrival times are delayed. It causes uncertainty or a sense of a danger to just regular passengers. I don't see this as a compelling argument that, you know, people that are breaking the law in whatever form, civil or criminal, it might have a chilling effect on them getting on the airline or that we don't want to see them apprehended. Is that selling? I know you spoke with their representatives, airline representatives, but how persuasive an argument is that? You know, I think it comes down to public image. And when the public is seeing stories, there's been a lot of national media coverage the last few weeks on ICE arrest somebody at airport. Ice arrest this person. Ice arrested two pastors who had overstayed their marriage visas four years recently. You know, it just starts to bake this into people's minds of ICE is at the airport. Oh, I don't know if I can fly. People don't realize this is. a tiny, tiny percentage. And if you're not in the country illegally, you have nothing to fear. So it's that it's the bigger, you know, it's sort of what it stands for. And that's what the airlines are thinking of. The airlines, no, this is going to infect, you know, like probably one in a million people. But when people keep seeing headlines, it feels like it's everywhere. So it starts to, to really prompt people to think again. And that's what they don't want to do. So they're saying, you know, ICE, can you?

Can you do things a little quieter? Can you keep it outside of TSA before, you know, the security check point? Or, you know, before. Find out someone's going to be flying, go to their home and, you know, apprehend them outside their home when they leave to go to the airport. Those types of things. And we haven't heard, you know, what those discussions have resulted in. You know, I think it's going to be difficult to get concessions from the Trump administration given its determination to hit those arrests and deportation numbers. Anna, you mentioned this a moment ago, and I didn't realize this. How long has TSA been receiving advanced travel information 72 hours before people fly? When did that start? And how do they use that information? You know, that's a great question. I don't know how long they've been receiving it. TSA is born after 9-11. So certainly it hasn't been happening for more than, you know, a little over two decades. Yeah, yeah. But that is information that the airlines get. And so they've then passed that information to TSA. And the whole reason that pre-check is such a big deal for TSA is because they're having to do so much less homework. When I have pre-check, right? So when I tell American Airlines, I'm coming, TSA is getting that information three days in advance. And they've got, you know, they have over 2 million travelers a day. So they've got about 6 million people. They're screening at any time to make sure they know who the threats are and whatnot. But they're saying, okay, we know Anna. We know she's got no criminal history. She's above the books. We're not worried about her. It goes through the system a lot faster for them. And so it is one of those mechanisms that really helps TSA at the end of the day, and all of us, right? Because TSA isn't here to just make rules for the heck of it. They're here to keep all of us safe when we fly. Yeah, I, you know, some of the things, some of the scenarios, like you described a pastor, there was a couple that were arrested, and there's a lot of, you intuitively, if we're human beings, we don't want to hear some of these scenarios. But oftentimes, you'll see like Bill Malugian from Fox. You'll see someone tell you the rest of the story. So you'll see an NBC News story that says, you know, North Carolina pastor taken by ICE. Then you find out the North Carolina pastor has had a deportation or since 91 and that he has drug convictions for drug possession and fraud. It seems like some of the narratives around the people apprehended aren't the rest of the story. I mean, I feel like, so my question is how much of... I completely agree with you. Yeah, so how do you fight that perception? Because I can see why people would be concerned with that because it sounds so sad and unfair. But when you get to the details, it isn't as sad and unfair. How do we weigh that? This is what, I mean, to the Trump administration's, you know...

They're right. They're up against a very difficult media. And part of it is immigration policy reporters like myself. they're not a dime a dozen, right? I've covered immigration for nine years now. I'm still learning things, right? And so, but that's, you know, I'm covering it from the best I know with all my experience, but your average breaking news reporter who's told, write this story up, you know? Yeah. Journalists just don't know, frankly, and I'm just being honest, they don't know the difference. They don't know what's deportation order. What is? you know, what do you mean a visa doesn't make you an immigrant? You know, it's whole sorts of technicalities. And so I think there's that. And then there's just also people saying, well, I really don't think there should be punishments for this. And reporter saying, well, yeah, but he's not, you know, XYZ bad guy. Our laws say it doesn't matter if you're a criminal or not. You signed a document saying, I agree to the visa terms, which is I will depart before this date. And then you did. Yeah. So it doesn't matter if you're a criminal. You broke the law. You didn't follow what you said you would, you know, and that's all it comes down to. Great insight. Anna, as always, great chatting with you. Thanks for joining us tonight. Thanks so much, guys. Thanks for your work. Anna Garatelli. She is Homeland Security, a reporter at the Washington Examiner, and she makes a very good point. immigration law is very complicated, very complex. And if you don't understand, like Canada does, she spent, as she said, nine years trying to understand this. She admitted she still doesn't understand it. But for the average reporter out there, you know, they hear from a family, oh, my husband is being taken away. Hookline and sinker. They go along with the story without checking into what exactly has happened. And that leads to people believe ICE is just rounding up people and sending them out of the country. I'll tell you, a reporter Bill Malusian with Fox News, he is the one that will tell you the rest of the story. So when you hear one, he tries to make an effort of telling you what the rest of that story is because there's some real sad narratives. And you're thinking, well, that's, you know, folks, all these people out here, was that really the top of the list? And you find out, oh, yeah, he should be at top of the list. He's got convictions for drug possession, fraud, mail theft, false citizenship, multiple traffic offenses, charges of harassing, communications, and simple assault. So, yeah, he should go. And that's not, that's different than a pastor just got deported. Yeah, and Anna is up on that as well. Yes, important she is. All right. More coming up, Rod and Greg on Utah's Talk Radio 1059, KNRS. Final half hour, the Rod and Greg show with you here on Talk Radio, 1059, KNRS. We're with you each and every day from four to seven weekdays. We invite you to join us. I'm Rod Arquette. I'm Citizen Hughes. All right, a good move by the Trump administration. Greg, I think this was announced just yesterday, that the administration says no more Medicaid dollars for kids' gender affirming treatments. No more. That's right. The American taxpayer.

is not going to be paying this. And they shouldn't be. No, they shouldn't. You know, some people said, why did it take Trump so long to do this? I think it was his first term. He did an executive order that was similar to this. And as, you know, Biden comes and he can reverse everything. So this isn't something that's absolutely new. But it's, again, he got that executive order out now. And I think his cabinet is so much better this second term. So the things that he does by executive order, you're going to see water get to the end of the row. Well, people generally think that under the age of 18, I've never figured out why 18 is the magic age number. But think about this. You know, people under 18 generally lack judgment, moral clarity. There are a lot of things out there, you know, the experience to make certain decisions. So why can they make a decision to have gender affirming care? And treatment. My thing is, like, and this has been a running agitation for me when I was a lawmaker, and when I'd go to campuses, I would tell these kids that are 18, 19, and 20. We have, by law, we have different definitions for an adult. Yes, we do. You can get drafted at 18. You can, there's a, you can be tried as an adult at 18 for a crime. But you cannot, you cannot, you cannot, you cannot smoke. You can't smoke now. And buy cigarettes. There's other things, and I hear all the stories. We're going to force it. In Utah, you don't have to wear a motorcycle helmet. You should, but you don't have to. Until you're 21, it used to be when you're 18. You know, you didn't have to wear a helmet. You have to wear a helmet until you're 21. If we're arguing that their frontal lobes have not, you know, developed enough where they're adults making adults decisions, then they certainly shouldn't be tried as adults for crimes. Yeah. Okay. Or if we look at them and say they're 18, they look like they're 24. That's an adult I'm looking at. Then an 18-year-olds, there should be one. So I used to tell these kids at school in colleges, You're disenfranchised. And the only reason why those laws haven't changed because no one can justify having two standards for being an adult is because you don't vote and you don't get involved. If you did, then they would have to change it because they can't justify it. But 18, 19, 20-year-olds don't get involved? There's a kind of lost, doesn't they? Yeah, you can just, you know, it'll go unaddressed. Well, there's an organization out there that is fighting against gender affirming care. It's called Do No Harm and they put out a brand new report looking at what's going on in Colorado. And this is pretty frightening, folks. Joining us on our newsmaker line to tell us about this new report is Brecken Theists. He is a correspondent with the Federalist Brecken. Thanks for joining us tonight. Tell us what's going on in Colorado. Yeah, well, you know, Colorado, which is one of the more radical states in the country with this sort of mutilation, child mutilation stuff, is... spending millions of dollars on government programs, social media influencer campaigns, medical school curriculins, everything you can think of to basically from, you know, 18 months old essentially to teenage years and beyond push children into first identifying as a different gender.

then you know taking puberty blockers then these cross-sex hormones then getting surgeries i mean they've got this entire infrastructure set up to uh to basically indoctrinate people into believing this and then and then having them actually follow through and mutilate their own bodies. And it's really pretty sinister stuff. So is this report what was going on at that time in America where this was becoming so socially, it was almost popular. It was almost a popular sentiment to have to mutilate, you know, to have children go through this. John Daly here. You know what day it is? Neither do I. I live life daily. That's why I only spend on Moto Casino. Moto's got daily free bonuses, daily tournaments, new slots out of daily. And the best part, guaranteed daily jackpots. You can't beat that. So today's the day you're gripping and spend it with me on Modo. America's Social Casino. Play for free on moto.com.

Is it looking back or is Colorado still doing, or is this still happening in Colorado right now? This, I believe, is still happening in Colorado. They've been, they've not slowed down. I mean, just a couple months ago, I was reporting that they're still passing laws to enforce this even more from a different angle on, like, you'll win a custody battle if you promise to transition your child. And the other person in a divorce can never see their child again if they say that they're uncomfortable with that. I mean, Colorado really hasn't slowed down, you know. only let's see yesterday i guess medicare uh cms announced that they were stopping taxpayer funded um uh federally but you know of course a lot of these are state um programs now it is interesting because one of these programs at least the i matter program started under a lot of the COVID money, and it was sort of this pilot program. But since 2024, that's been made permanent, and it's been, you know, entirely state funded. You know, the federal funding is one aspect, but the state funding, which Colorado seems very, very interested in doing, is still there. I reckon this I-Matter organization and the umbrella that it covers, I mean, this indoctrination of these young children in Colorado begins at a very early... early age, does it not? It does. I mean, you know, medical students there are told that at 18 months old, the child can start understanding, you know, gender and gender identity by a couple years old. They can start deciding for themselves which gender they think they are. The I-Matter program is really the tip of the spear for grooming and convincing children that they're a different gender because while it doesn't actually provide any of the... medical resources in terms of like you know getting drugs or the surgeries or things like that it is a free health care program that offers free therapy sessions to children specifically that is they have a confidential confidentiality waiver that strips parents of consent around the age 12 they advertise it as as having zero parental involvement and they will point their patients or what have you

toward the right, you know, institutions to end up getting the medicalized, you know, next step. I mean, they had 469, quote unquote, gender affirming care related in meetings, and three of them involved children ages five and younger. 46 of them were children between the ages of six and nine and 40 were included children with special needs. Now we know with this gender affirming care stuff that particularly autism. Autism is like a target demographic for convincing kids that they're a different gender. And so, you know, you have to wonder if they're just saying, you know, well, we got, you know, we can convince this autistic child who might, you know, you might really like overly focus on it as autistic children are known to do. that they need to get, you know, all these sex change operations. So a little times passed since this became a thing and you saw this, and this is so comprehensive in Colorado, the argument that these are, you're just talking decimal dust in terms of sampling of people that are transitioning or their gender is fluid. This would argue, this kind of effort argues that it, that they at least see it as a goal to be much larger. But my question is this, there's been. There's been cases of violence, people that have been violent that have transitioned and have acted out in violent ways, going back to Catholic schools they attended, and maybe there's just in Nashville, things like that. You also see some lawsuits starting to emerge, where some of these now adults are saying, this should not have happened to me as a minor. What is the consequences? Is none of this occurring to the people in Colorado that there are legal consequences and even potentially violent consequences from what they're doing? Yeah, I mean, I think on one, on the one hand, they want to either ignore that or they simply will not make the connection. I mean, the kind of ideology seems to be outweighing the, you know, the danger of the ideology, if you will. I'm not sure that there have been any. tangible consequences. Yeah, you're right that there are lawsuits. There are lawsuits popping up for what they're called detransitioners who say that they were basically taken advantage of as young children. I actually went to a meeting with Secretary of Education Linda McMahon where she was meeting with a bunch of detransitioners who talked about specifically how schools and mostly public schools but not entirely public schools. are this sort of ground zero for convincing kids that that um you know as soon as they start presenting as as gender confused the school doubles and triples down saying you know do you want to change your name do you want to start dressing differently we won't tell your parents those kinds of those kinds of things that really enforce this stuff and that points them to the medicalized path. This is just in Colorado. That's happening separate from this, uh, I matter situation and the rest of what Colorado is doing. They're really setting up like an actual state infrastructure to get more and more people to do this. Breck and thees joining us on our newsmaker line. That's just disgusting, Greg. It's so. Trying to indoctrinate children as old as eight, what, 18 months?

To convince them, well, you better check your gender. You may not be a boy or you may not be a girl. I cannot understand how that state doesn't see the wave of retransitioning that's going to happen, the wave of violence, the wave of lawsuits. I mean, they are down an unsustainable path, just damaging young kids. And it's not going to go well. I mean, we're seeing that already. More coming up, Rod and Greg, with you on Utah's Talk Radio, 1059, KNS. America's Social Casino Welcome to Moto Casino where the excitement never ends with thousands of the hottest free-to-play social casino games, fastest payouts, and the best promotions in the industry. No tricks or gimmicks. Owned and operated in the USA. Moto Casino is a free-to-play social casino. No purchase necessary. 21 plus to play. Void with prohibited. Sign up today for a generous welcome bonus.