Stephanie Anderson- Segments 5 & 6

For more than 20 years Inside Maine has connected you with the state's top voices, diving deep into the political stories shaping our lives on 985 FM, AM 560, and WGAN.com. And we're back for the final hour of Inside Maine. Time flies when you're having fun, Jeremy. Absolutely. And it always flies when it's Aaron Chadbourne Day on Inside Maine. I am Aaron Chadbourne. Thank you for being with us. It's been a great show so far. And I'm so excited that our next guest is here in studio. She joined me last month when I hosted and I enjoyed the conversation so much. I invited her back. Stephanie Anderson is Coverland County's former district attorney. She retired. She hung up her. What do you have? Your briefcase? She hung up her briefcase. And she went out to a life of leisure. And then she saw what was happening at the district attorney's office. And it was so upsetting that she said, I've got to go get my old job back. She's joining us now in studio. Stephanie Anderson, unenrolled independent candidate for district attorney in Comberley County. Well, good morning, Erin. Thank you. Actually, it's past noon already. Good afternoon. I have to take issue with something you just said. I watched the look on your face when I said, life of leisure. You don't strike me as someone that kicks up her heels. I mean, I've had a nice retirement. I've had a fair amount of leisure, but I'm also very busy. doing other things. I've learned that fully retired means that you just don't get paid for anything anymore. But I have been quite busy. I'm on the state parole board. People may not know that such a thing exists because there's a lot of legislative talk about, quote, bringing it back. But I am on the state parole board. There are 11 men on parole still. I'm on my town council. I'm on the state grievance commission. So, yes, I have a fair amount of leisure, certainly much more than what I have now that I'm running for DA. But nevertheless, it was a life of purpose. So. I'm sorry, I didn't mean anything by that. I know, I know. Certainly, you don't strike me as someone who, whoever has a free moment where you're not filling it with something with purpose. For those who don't know, because I think this is really important, you're running for district attorney, which is an elected position, and I think it should be elected so that it's accountable, but you also want someone that's qualified and qualified for the job. It's a very important job in our judicial branch, in the legal system. For people who aren't familiar with what the job of it, everyone's on the hiring committee for this role, but some people don't know what it is. So how do you know?

who to hire for the job if you don't know what the job is. What can you tell listeners who might not know what the job of a district attorney is? Okay. All right. Well, a job of a district attorney is a pretty big one, but I'll suffice it, you know, to put it in a nutshell. It's the chief administrator of justice in the county. And as such, it sets the tone and the culture for the prosecution of criminal cases and how safe people feel and how... respected victims are and how cooperative you are with police agencies and, you know. other agencies of government. You know, I think this year, I think the district attorney's race, honestly, this is a bold statement, but I think the district attorney's race is the most consequential race of this election season. I think it's the most significant thing that will happen in November. Why? Because who the district attorney is determines how safe a mother feels allowing her child to walk to school. It determines how a small business person when they're weighing whether or not they can bring on another employee or do they have to close their doors? It weighs in on that. It weighs how safe people feel. It affects every aspect of your life, and most people don't realize it. In fact, I went to the Blueberry Festival in Gray, Les. last Saturday. And it was lovely. It was a lot of fun, really. It was very sweet. It was just what you would expect a main blueberry festival to be. I would like the idea. I wish I was at a main blueberry festival. Well, anyway, so I was talking to people. Do you know what the DA does? Unbelievable how many people had no idea what the DA does. And yet they're all making this decision. Of those things, right, of those functions you just mentioned, and really it being at the center of so much in public life and public safety, where do you think the current DA's office? And let's not make it specific to the current DA herself, but where do you think the office right now is falling short? Well, we can't talk about the office without talking about his current leadership. I mean, they're one and the same. Right? Yeah. I mean. Let's talk about the outcomes first. Like what is it that they're not doing that should be happening? What are we missing? Well. She's not enforcing the law. I mean, that's the chief job of the prosecutor is to enforce the law. That seems like a pretty big miss. Yeah, I mean, and, you know, yeah, you have to enforce the law, but you also have to lead your office. You need to have a well-led district attorney's office, and she's not leading the office. She can't execute on policies that she envisions in her mind. And if you look at the recent...

events that have appeared in the press herald about, you know, what's happening in Portland, the incident where the woman was assaulted with a bodily substance, what's the response of the DA's office? She's calling legislators to change the law. There's a big meeting with the- How is there not already a law that would cover that? There is a law that would cover that. She's kind of missing the point on that. There is a law. I don't get it. So what she thinks the law needs to change to be? She was trying to change the subject and take the focus off of her. Yeah. And there was a big meeting with a lot of people in Portland and the Chamber of Commerce recently talking about, you know, the obvious situation, what everyone sees in Portland when they walk around. And her response was... Oh, yes, I'm going to enforce the law and help you clean this up. No, that was not her response. Her response was, oh, I'm going to try to get the law changed. I don't know what law she's talking about, but she's going to try to get the law changed. But that's not her job. Her job isn't to get the law change. Like, sure, if she has an opinion on how the law could change, but her job is to enforce the law. She's the one that is in a position to do it. Yeah, I think she's confused about the branches of government. I mean, you know, if she. Changing the law is what happens in the legislative branch of government. And the DA's office is part of the executive branch of government. And that's where we enforce the law. Well, maybe we can tell her and then maybe she'll change what she's running for. She can run for the legislature. Is there an open seat in Brunswick that she could? You know, I don't know. Probably. I mean, I don't know. Honestly. So if she's not enforcing the law, like, I mean. Do you think that there's enough public outcry or do you think it's just that the, I mean, the media doesn't seem to be connecting the dots, that there are all of these problems, there is a lot of behavior. I know I've spoken to many members of law enforcement who are quite frustrated and there are certain arrests they won't make because they know that nothing is going to happen. But why do you think there's not a bigger outcry from public officials from the media about the current situation? Boy, that's a good question, and I don't think I can answer it. There should be more of an outcry. And I have to say, you know, I did state that the district attorney, you know, sets the culture, sets the tone, is the chief administrator of justice in the county. And it's sort of the fulcrum of all that's going on around public safety. But I do have to say that the problems that... we're facing today are broader than what a single individual district attorney and or her staff can do. Right. There needs to be a coordinated effort, and I don't see that happening. It's true that... You know, Jackie says, we can't arrest our way out of our problems. Well, that's true. We can't arrest our way out of them. But we need to enforce the law. Sometimes people need to be incentivized through the benefit of the his or her intersection with the criminal justice system.

Yeah, no, that's well said. And it also is a real somber responsibility to be in that position where you're making the decisions, where there is discretion of who to charge, who not to charge, or I've talked to Jackie before on the radio. And one of the things she talks about is, you know, using the fact that you could charge someone to get them into recovery or to use it as a tool in the toolkit. Are there things that she's doing that we're not seeing? I don't see that she's doing anything, so I can't really answer that question. I'm sorry. You'd have to ask her. I mean, she's doing a lot of talking about changing the law. I'll tell you what she's not doing. She's not enforcing it. She's not leading her office. She's not showing up for meetings. She's not responsive. That's what she's not doing. I just don't understand how someone could be in that role and not be doing those things. Well, I think you just hit the nail on the head, Aaron, as to why so many lifelong Democrats that supported her four years ago are now asking me to run to remove her from office. No, that makes sense. You're listening to Inside Maine. I'm your host, Aaron Chadbourne. I am joined in studio by Stephanie Anderson. If you would like to ask Stephanie a question, feel free to call in 879-9-2426-879 W-G-A-N. I mean, I think that there are a lot of people who would say that there's been a level of dysfunction going on in the office. And one of the texters said, the people that are working very hard, they feel personally attacked, they feel like they're not being able to do their work, and maybe there's some stuff that they would be doing if there were different culture in that office. When you led the office, what did you think your job was when it came to working with the staff that works there? Oh, my goodness, what a question, yeah. You know, my management philosophy when I was in the DA's office was, If my staff are okay, then everything's okay. And if they're not okay, then nothing will be okay. I thought the most important part of my job is manager in that office was to make sure that they had the tools they need. And one of the tools they need are guidance and knowing that you've got their back and knowing that you're there. Another thing I think is really important is I think the DA... You know, I think the DA should know how to try cases and to understand the rules of evidence and to be able to understand, you know, what a likely outcome of a prosecution is. And I mean, I was a trial prosecutor, a trial attorney long before I was DA. And I don't believe Jackie Sotoris has tried one. jury trial. Do you think there should be some basic requirements for DAs in terms of, are there? Is the statute set out experiences you have to have in order to be eligible to run? Or I know for the sheriff, they have those. That's recent. That was a fairly recent.

That was a fairly recent statutory change. And the answer to your question is no. I mean, you have to be a lawyer and you have to reside in Camberland County. I used to joke when I was first elected of that. I can leave this job. All I have to do is move to my parents' house. It would vacate the job. But yeah, that's it. You have to be a lawyer in good standing and you have to live in the county. You don't have to have, you don't have to have relevant experience because, you know, that's been proven. Well, I think you do have to have relevant experience. So why don't you talk to me a little bit about your experience? When you look back on the career that you had leading this office, what stands out to you as the things that you're most proud of and that make you the best qualified to come back and do it again? Oh, my goodness gracious. Well, there are so many aspects to that. The thing that I'm the most proud of is how I turn that office into a place where lawyers went and got a little bit of experience before they went out and got their real job to a place where lawyers... settled in for their career and decided to become public servants and were proud of the work they did. And we all worked together. I mean, that it was a really, I mean, I saw a comment in the paper yesterday that it was the gold standard in the state of Maine for prosecution. And I'm very proud of that. In terms of the other aspects of it, You know, I started drug court in, I think it was 96 or 97. And I'm really proud of that because it was, number one, it was a very radical idea at the time. But what it took to put that together, it took convincing the court to... to allow me to have a judge one day a week when they were already so overburdened and so overwhelmed and so understaffed. That was a crazy thing to ask for, but I did anyway. I not only asked for it, but I convinced him that it would be a good idea. I had to convince police officers that... this was a good idea that we would divert these offenders, who we thought but for their substance abuse problems, probably would not be in the criminal justice system. And I had to convince them that we were going to divert people who were facing significant time. Significant time, because I'll tell you what, so many defendants were like, Oh, I'd rather do my six months. Doing the six months is easier. And then I had to convince defense attorneys that, yes, it's in your client's best interest to go ahead and plead them guilty up front and go into this program. And if they succeed in this program at the end of which they're going to get this great deal. So the reason why I bring that up is not just because it was the first instance in Maine of a true restorative justice slash diversion program because it...

also because it indicates the kind of team and teamwork I had to put together to pull that off. No, I think that's really impressive. I think, I mean, that is an approach that we've seen play out and work well here in Comberland County. We've seen it in other places around the country. Are there other things that we should be doing here now that aren't happening? Well, other than enforcing the law. I mean, what? I know. You keep going to that. I know, I just looked at you. You're so funny. Where am I? Where am I? I mean, but are there things that, you know, practices other than just doing the basics of the job that we're missing out on because we don't have the right visionary leadership? Because I think, again, having been in that role for the amount of time that you were and having been a leader that was in touch with the needs of the office and the needs of the public, you really had a good sense of how to how to make change in that way. Is there anything else? Let me try this a different way. Okay. All right. Other than just kind of restoring order to the office and restoring focus to its core mission, what would be some of your other goals that if you succeed at, you'll say, yep, that was what I came here to do? Well, I think a big concern for anyone involved in law enforcement, anyone involved in public policy is what do we do about a significant number of these public disorder offenses? What do we do about the fact that so many people that intersect with the criminal justice system have a substance use disorder or mental illness or... both. I mean, dealing with those issues is, is, it's got to be on the forefront of any prosecutor's mind. Yeah, no, that absolutely makes sense. Are you okay to take calls? Yeah, yeah. Bring one. Hey, Jeremy, I can't see the call screener. Tell us who it is. Then we'll go ahead and pick it up. Yes, this is Al in Portland, our friend. Yeah, longtime friend. All right, Al from Portland. Go ahead, my friend. Hello, thank you for taking my call. And I want to compliment Stephanie on the drug court. I had a friend that got sent to drug court for a serious crime. He was facing a lot of time. And he passed away, unfortunately, but he died sober. Well, you're very welcome. I get emotional about it because he was, I never saw the guy sober outside of jail. I'm a recovering alcoholic myself. But yeah, this guy, he was a success. He passed away with four or five years. sober and outside of a halfway house he was living with his sister when he passed away too bad he died a massive heart attack but for him to die clean and sober is is really unbelievable and that was drug court and I don't know if you were

The DA then or not, but it was relatively new in the drug court. But there was a success story there. Thank you very much. And you got my votes, Stephanie. Thank you. See, good thing you moved to Portland from Saco so you can vote here, Al. You're really going to make a difference now. Yes, okay. You have a great day. 8799426 is the number here on Inside Maine. Stephanie, we only have about a moment left. If there are people that want to get involved to help your campaign, where can they go? What can they do? What do you need for help? Support. Talk me up. I think that's the most important thing people can do because so many people don't know what the DA does or what the qualification should be. Talk me up. You can go to my Facebook page, which is Stephanie for DA. You can go to my website, which is also Stephanie for DA. And, of course, contributions are always very needed and very welcomed. Well, you've got quite a fun journey ahead of you. I can't imagine it's easy to get attention in this election landscape with the Senate race and the governor's race and everything else. But I think you're absolutely right to point out that this could be one of the most consequential elections of this cycle. And I'll continue to bring attention to it because I think it's important that people pay attention. Stephanie for ADA. Stephanie for ADA.com. That's where you can go and learn more. When we come back, we'll be open and take your calls on Inside Maine. I'm Aaron Chadbourne, 879-9-4-26. It's a beautiful Saturday, and it's Inside Maine. For over two decades, Inside Maine has delivered sharp political insight and in-depth discussion with Maine's top decision makers on 985 FM, AM560, and wgGAN.com. And just like that, it's the final segment here on Inside Main. I'm Aaron Chadbourne. Thank you for spending so much of this beautiful Saturday with us here on WGAN. Jeremy, what was the song? Go ahead. That was Train Kept Arolling, covered by Aerosmith from a 50s song, actually. And yeah, yardbirds also had a hit with it, but not quite as big as Aerosmiths. There you go. Trains keep on rolling. And we are still rolling here on Inside Maine. I'm Aaron Chadbourne. Phone lines are open. 8799-426-879 WJN. Our last guest, Stephanie, Anderson, was so gracious to agree to stick through the end of the show. So if you have questions for Stephanie, feel free to call in or if there's something else you want to talk about, we can change subject. But Stephanie, one of the things I wanted to ask you before we move on to other calls is, One of the things you said in the last segment is that this is the most consequential election. The election of the district attorney here in Cumberland County is the most consequential race on the ballot. Tell me why.

Because what the district attorney does affects the everyday life of everyone living in the county. It affects whether or not a mother feels comfortable allowing her child to walk to school. It affects whether or not a small business person is going to hire another employee or close his or her doors. It affects the way, it affects the morale of all your police officers. It just affects every aspect of your life. And one thing that needs to be pointed out, too, is that, you know, the district attorney can make changes on day one. On the first day in office, you can make changes. If you're elected to... you know, the governor or United States Senate or even local legislature, it's going to take a year or two or five or ten to get any real changes made. But the district attorney can make changes on day one. Well, not only that, for the type of changes that you're talking about, like those are the ones that are most important, these decisions that restoring a lot in order. I think that's so important. I think it's a great point. 8799-426-879 WGAN. First up, we'll go to Mike from Harbiswell. What's up, Gunny? Well, Stephanie, I hope you win. Thank you, Mike. Thank you. Bring some common sense back to the DA's office. No more pajama parties. You get it? You know what I mean? Or scavenger hunts on Long Island or Peaks Island, whatever island it was, yeah. We're lucky we didn't lose anybody. You have to go search it. What the hell are they thinking? Anyhow, listen, how do you feel about a work release program for some of these inmates, you know, to try to give back in and break this cycle of repetiveness? You know, I find we worked a program years ago down in Florida, Sheriff Charlie Wells out of Manatee County. And we set up two of them, a boot camp for the juveniles, and we set up a work program for the guys. And it seemed to work out really good. These guys started saving money. You know, they had an account they would put it into directly. They got a little bit for their coppers while they were in jail. But when they got out, they had a put up, and they had a job to go to. Well, let me just say this, Mike. I think, you know, when we're talking about... you know, corrections and rehabilitation and restorative justice, I think giving someone training to do a job that they can be proud of is the most important thing that we can do and should do. Yeah, a job itself is rehabilitation. That's right. You know what I'm saying? And pride in doing a good job is also, it's rehabilitative. It's very restorative. And I think the public would really be impressed. Once the program got up, it's, you know, got it going. In a year or so into the program, I think you see that this is a program that can work out for everybody all the way around.

So, all right, I hope you win, Steph. Thank you. Thank you. Mike, thanks for the call. 879-9-4-26-879 WGAN. Phone lines are lighting up. We'll keep taking them. You know, one of the things I find really... strange about this particular race and this particular district attorney is that the press tends to cover a lot of the things that she says or does as if they're accomplishments. I know. I know, right? We're going to look at all the cases involving a car killing someone. And we should look at them. Like, I mean, hopefully someone's already doing this. Yeah, I just don't understand the media filter. Because I feel like when I was growing up, I remember when you were district attorney, which was most of my life. Oh, geez, now. Come on. I'm 42 years old. But you were the first district attorney I remember. And I remember that you used to be covered for. the cases you were bringing and the work you were doing. And these days, you don't see the media covering those in the same way. What you see them covering are the political statements and the public statements and the hand-wringing and that. Do you think, I mean, it's just so surprising given the public interest in how crime is prosecuted that we're not seeing the actual cases. But I guess it's because the cases aren't being brought. Oh. I don't think there's many cases being, I mean, no, there's certainly cases being broad. A lot of them, you know, I think the dismissal rate last year was 38%. There's not a lot of, there's not a lot of, I don't know, I don't want to say anything, you know, unfair. And I think the people that work in the DA's office are very committed and very caring. But there's, there's not a lot to be said about what's going on. Either in there or through there. Let me ask you about the people that work in the district attorney's office. I think this is interesting. You were saying before that it used to be a place where people would go for their first job. They'd get their feet wet. They'd learn how to do it. And then they'd take those skills and they'd go make more money doing something else. They'd get their real job. But I do think it's really interesting. The type of person who chooses to go into this type of career, what sets those people, the hardworking people in that office, apart from other people who go into law as a profession? Well, it's a heart for justice. It's a heart for fighting for the underdog. And there's a lot to be. I know for me, one of the most satisfying things about the job was that, you know, if I saw some on justice, I could dismiss that with the stroke of my pen. My motivation was to do the right thing. I never had to be a paid advocate or mouthpiece for anybody. Yeah.

I'm sure she's concerned. She should be. She'd be crazy not to be. Yeah. I'm curious what you think. You know, you obviously are still friendly with a lot of district attorneys that you served with when you were there. When they talk about what's changed about the job and what's different now than it was the last time you were in charge of the office, what do you hear them talking about? Are you talking about the assistant DAs in the office or other DAs in the state? Other DAs in the state, I mean, the people in the office, I have to imagine, you know, they have a job to do and they have a boss and they understand that there are political changes that happen and they still have to do their job despite it. But when you talk to other DAs across the state or even across the country, because I know you're pretty well connected in that community, they all are facing new challenges. And I think there are some new challenges. There was always drug use, but the way that drug use is now, I'm sure, is different. mentioned earlier, the people on the street, the mental illness, I mean, the deinstitutionalization of people when we closed down our public institutions and unleashed the mentally ill onto the street has obviously had some consequences. But when you hear about the way in which people think the job has changed from when you last did it, what are some of the things that stand out to you? Well.

You know, you raised, you know, you raised a very important issue in that. You know, I used to joke, you know, back when I was D.A., I used to joke and say, you know, my mother thinks my job is getting bad guys. And, you know, she really did think that. And I, you know, of course I did, but I spent most of my time, you know, trying to develop ways to handle. This population, and when I say this population, I mean people who are unhoused, people who have mental illness, people who have substance abuse disorder, people who are intersecting with the criminal justice system, and they're not necessarily the psychopaths, the violent psychopaths that people think of when they think about getting bad guys. These are not bad guys. These are sick guys. And how do we deal with that population? That's a big one. A second big change is... The proliferation, I mean, every police department now has body cameras. And all police cars have cameras. And there are cameras everywhere you go, whether you're in Walmart or, you know, driving on Congress Street. There are cameras, cameras, cameras. And when these offenses occur, there are, you know, an investigation can take, you know, an hour and a half, but you've got 20 hours of videotape to pour through. Yeah. And that's a big thing. And then you've got a lot of issues around what's discoverable, what gets redacted, what is private, a lot of those issues. And then you have social media issues. I mean, it's a lot that... that really didn't exist 20 years ago. I imagine AI, too, especially when you're thinking about the videos. You must say having AI comb through things and maybe selectively show things and there's going to be errors that get introduced into it. I imagine there are a lot of frontier cases now about how AI may or may not be distorting. things that are used in court. Yeah, AI is another big issue. I mean, can police officers use AI? You know, can they type up a police report and then put it into AI and say, please correct this for grammar and clarity? Is that something legal to do? Or does that information, is that saved in some cyberspace cloud somewhere? And therefore, it's a violation of the... of state law, which requires that information to remain confidential. Interesting. I mean, there has to be some way to overcome it, but these are all kind of new issues that are- They're all new issues. But I think that there are the issues that you want someone who is thoughtful, someone that's pragmatic, someone that has managerial experience to be tackling and to be tackling with humility and also kind of the wisdom that comes with understanding what the job is and the impact it can have. You know, when I went to law school, I became quite frustrated because I think I had like this idea that the law was this thing written down somewhere and that you could you could look and very clearly see what it is. And my contract law professor. Who was there? Gerald Frugge. Jerry Frugg. He was once, I think, accused of murdering his wife. But anyway, that's beside the point. He used to frustrate people because he'd say.

Could be this way. Could be that way. Could be this way. Could be this way. And everyone just want to know what's the right answer. And he said, well, if they were so clear, we wouldn't need a Supreme Court. You wouldn't need to have a panel of judges that would weigh it because it would just be clear on its face to everyone. But what you're able to do is to take the same set of facts and argue two different or multiple different angles in multiple different ways. But one of the things that frustrated me so much. And I hated SIF Pro, civil procedure, and to some extent, criminal procedure. But I wasn't going into criminal law, so I didn't spend time in criminal procedure. I just had to do basic crime law. But in civil procedure, you find out that so much of the outcomes of the judicial system and the legal system rest on technicalities of whether or not the attorney on either side followed the rules and played by the rules and met the rules of evidence or the rules of when you needed to file something. Yeah, we call that getting off on a technicality. Getting off on a technicality, right? Which is important because there have to be rules and the rules and we have to hold the government accountable just as much we hold anyone else accountable. But it occurs to me that in the case of a district attorney, having someone who knows the rules, understands the system, has experience with it, would be incredibly valuable. Yeah, I would say so. I'd say that that's like a really important attribute to have. Yes, I agree. Sorry to give you a long windup to that. Yeah. really is. I mean, for me, I would hate the job. I would think that it was really, like, I mean, that's one of the reasons I didn't go into practicing law as my vocation is because that I'm very focused on impact. And like the focus that you have to have on process, on fairness, on due process. I mean, it's so intrinsic to the role. But that also means that the experience matters. Having someone who knows what they're doing. Matters. Having management systems and processes in place that are systematic and fair and rigorous, that matters. Not only matters, but it's absolutely critical to the mission of the office. It's critical. It's mission critical. Yeah. It is part of the job. You know, when you were talking before about the woman who got the, whatever it was, the guy that threw. bodily fluids on her as she's walking down the street and uh and jacky wants the law to change i honestly think and i was probably going to say this you off air i'll say to on air because i doubt that jacky's listening um i think that a really good approach in this campaign and if you want to go viral on social media i think you should just start telling stories of the things that happened that weren't prosecuted the things that happened over the last several years that she's been district attorney to say these are stories of things that are happening in our community And when I'm just attorney, no more. Like, I think that would be a very compelling set of narratives that could stand alone, that would stand out to people, that people would notice more than they noticed, you know, Troy Jackson driving around in his truck or whatever. Yeah, well, how do I get those stories other than people coming to me and telling me? Because I'll tell you one thing I'm not doing, Aaron. Yeah. I am not trying to communicate with anyone currently in the DA's office. Well, go do it in the press. Go have a press conference. Have a press conference outside of the DA's out. Where's the office? In the courthouse. And the courthouse. Go stand on the steps of the courthouse. Broadcast it live on Facebook and X and all social media platforms. Ask people to reshare. Invite new media. Invite the main wire. Invite the press herald. Invite the WCSH. They're right down the street. Have a press conference and the steps and say that your job there today is to ask people to share their stories. You want to know.

You said, I'm running for office because I want to fix a broken DA's office, and I can't fix what's broken if you don't tell me. So share your stories, let me know, and come up with a way for them to get their stories to you. I think you'll get them, and I think you'll have plenty of ammunition that you can use to show people what's at stake in this election. Well, that's a great idea. And along those lines, I would say anyone that just heard Aaron, please contact me either on my Facebook page or my website or my email address. And tell me your stories. All right. So it's Stephanie forda.com, Stephanie for DA on Facebook. And what's the email address? Give it out. Stephanie Anderson. 4DA at gmail.com. All right. So if you have stories of things that you've seen that you're unhappy with that haven't prosecuted that have made your community in Cumberland County less safe, please send them in to Stephanie Anderson for DA at gmail.com. And that, my friends, is how you end a show. We have come to the very end of Inside Maine the last Saturday of August. It's not last Saturday. What did I say? Oh, the beginning of the end of fall. August 15th. Yeah, beginning of the end of fall. We have a couple more Saturdays. There are, yeah, but I'm not hosting. So, I mean, do they really count? Do they really count? There are a couple more Saturdays. Who's up next? I think Josh Filler's up next week and then Phil Harriman, I think, is doing it a second time this month at the end of August. So make sure you come back next week for Inside Maine. It has been a delight. I am Aaron Chadbourne. Thank you to all of my great guests who joined us today, to Ron Russell, to Graham Pollard. Grand Pollard, I'm going to have on for an hour next time. I think he is at the... center of what's happening in Maine news, and the main wire is covering things like no one else is. But thanks also to Pastor Travis. Don't forget the Calvary Chapel tonight at 6. You can go get tickets, sign up if you want to attend. It's going to be a great panel with Steve Robinson, with Lauren LaPage, with Ron Russell, with others. And thanks to Stephanie Anderson for hanging out the last hour. It's been a pleasure being here. I'm Aaron Chadbourne. This is Inside Maine.