Chad Hartman (WCCO 830)August 13, 202639m

Jacob Frey & the greatest sports movies

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And still, yeah, there's the reality of where we are now. And look, it's my job to not just announce it, but try to show how we get through this two-year ring of fire that we're going to punch through here. And, you know, look, the decisions are mine. I own them and they're the right ones. In hindsight, do you believe you should have done anything different? knowing that the lack of individuals coming downtown and the property values were decreasing, is there something you could have adjusted over the last few years so the increases or the loss of jobs would not have been as dramatic? Well, Chad, as you know, I tried to, I did veto the budget a year and a half ago, and I believed that the budget was irresponsible and that it did not do right by the taxpayers. And I was overridden. And, you know, that's the, these are some of the tools that I've got in our toolkit. And simultaneously, there are things that we didn't anticipate. We didn't anticipate having three to four thousand ice agents come into our city. We didn't anticipate Operation Metro Surge. You know, overtime expenses obviously go up when there is a crisis in Minneapolis, and you have to account for them. And federal funding is not as certain as it used to be. You know, we used to have the assurance that we would get grants to the tune of around $70 million a year. We no longer have that assurance. And so, yeah, we've got to be. smarter fiscally. We've got to be more efficient with the way we're operating right now. And my ask and my invitation to council members is, hey, let's work together. We've got to acknowledge the reality of where we are. And, you know, obviously budgets are about values, but the value that we've got to hold ahead of all of the rest right now is stewardship. Like we need to steward the city through these next couple of years and get to, again, where the trajectory is already going. This is the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frey, kind enough to join us. Adam Carter, show before ours, had Paul Ostroan, a former council member, like you were a former council member before you became mayor. And he was on with Adam. He said, I understand the difficulties the mayor he's facing right now. but he wanted you to be even more dramatic, to eliminate more groups, to combine more groups, to make this more of a long-lasting, significant change in the city. Did you consider more dramatic changes to the point where they would have been more permanent and more significant than what you've done, at least at this point?

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Did he suggest anything specific? He did. I don't have the full list in front of me, but he felt like a number of other aspects of the running of the city could have been combined. I don't know it well enough. The two of you would know it better than I, but obviously you spent a lot of time on this with your staff. Did you think about even going further? Oh, we thought about everything. Everything was on the table. If Paul Ostro has specific suggestions, he could shoot us an email and tell us about him. You know, a lot of times cuts that you... perceived to have an impact on the budget, don't actually have an impact on the budget, you know. So there are, sometimes a position is funded by a grant. Sometimes the position is funded by a different source that doesn't impact the taxpayer directly. And so you say, hey, we don't need this job. Let's cut it. But then that cut wouldn't actually drive down taxes, if that makes sense. So, yeah, if Paul Osteros got some suggestions, God bless, you know, I'll take them. Of course, we looked at going deeper. I'm happy to go deeper to the extent that it doesn't impact core city service. That was the goal here.

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The DSA side of the city council that you and that group don't always agree, what's your sense on how they're going to react to this budget proposal? Well, you know, again, I don't want to speak for them. My hope is that we're going to find a lot of alignment because, again, there aren't many options here. This is just the right thing to do to acknowledge the reality that we're in right now and to get Minneapolis through to the next two years. Again, the city is coming back in a massive way. We're just dealing the repercussions from two years ago. You know, look, I imagine that there will be some on the council. I bet about half the council is going to say deeper cuts and about half the council is going to say you cut too much. But again, once you get into the specifics, believe me, it's going to get a lot harder. If you believe there's deeper cuts, okay, to what? If you believe that you want to get rid of the cuts that we already made, in other words, replenish them, okay, well, you then got to consider that that will increase people's property taxes. We don't have a magic calculator here. And so, again, my job is just to tell you the truth. And we did that in the budget yesterday. And I'm very optimistic. Again, if you looked at the, you know, strong majority of the speech, a lot of it was saying, hey, city is coming back beautifully right now. But we've got to be realistic about where our budget is and account for the fact that we don't have a federal government here that's going to come in to just help us. You've made this point a number of times here and elsewhere that the city. He's coming back in a significant way. For the folks who are objective about this, and they say, I don't know about that. I need to see more results. Not the folks who have just said, I'm never going downtown. It's a hellhole that's utterly ridiculous. They're just wrong. I'll just flat out say it. But for the folks who want to see more tangible results, to back up the words you're saying and what you see on a regular basis, what will they see the next six, 12, 18 months to back up what you're offering up? Well, those are the folks I'm trying to reach right now. Look, there's a group of people that just, I mean, they've lived for generations of Minneapolis. They love Minneapolis. They think, you know, they understand what we got going here. And yeah, there's another crew, of course, that will bash Minneapolis at every opportunity. It's the people that are saying, hey, we need to make some improvements and we want to see some tangible results. That's who I want to reach.

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And first, I'd say to them, look, in the first quarter of 2026, vacancies are down by 150,000 square feet in downtown alone. And so what that means is that there's 150,000 square feet of office space that is occupied now. that wasn't occupied at the beginning of the year. And that was just the first quarter. I imagine you probably saw another 100,000 square feet in the second quarter. And so, I mean, that's as objective as you can get. We are seeing businesses opening. We are seeing people come back into work. And we're making some real progress on that front. There's a couple areas, including on crime where we need to make more progress and happy to discuss that as well. Okay, let's jump in on that. What is your assessment of crime and the overall city so far this year? You've got areas where we're seeing some success. You've got areas where we're not. You know, last year we saw numbers trend down basically across the board. This year it's a bit more nuanced. Here's what we are seeing, though, and it's a problem. Juveniles committing some pretty serious crimes. In some cases, they're with a gun and it's violence. In other cases, it's more than just a nuisance when you've got these smashing grabs that are preventing people from enjoying the city and coming in and having a great night out. And so, you know, I think, again, this is another area where we've got to be really straightforward and honest. I'm all for diversion. I'm all for making sure that these kids have second chances, but I'm not just going to tolerate someone jacking somebody's car with a gun repeatedly and not having consequences for it. There needs to be. Are the laws strong enough on the books or are the folks not enforcing the law strong enough? Our police officers are making arrests? Our police officers are conducting investigations. They're gathering evidence. There is a law that is presently on the books that went into effect at the beginning of August that we're still trying to figure out how to deal with it. And it's for the detention of juveniles. And in some cases, it prevents us from doing so. There's also just the reality that it's not enough to have an arrest. There needs to be some form of prosecution. And I think it should be acknowledged, both that we need compassionate places for juveniles that are committing crimes. It's not just a regular prison, you know, where they're in with full-blown adults.

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You need that. But again, you can't have everybody else in the community, including the kid themselves that is put in danger because these crimes keep getting committed. And so, you know, I do think that we need to be very clear-eyed about this. I do think we need to make sure that people that are getting arrested again and again and again actually get prosecuted. Needs to happen. Let me ask you about Todrick Barnett. He is going to leave when the year ends as the community safety commissioner. He was twice rejected by the city council. He was in a bit of limbo. Are you going to fill that position when Toddrick Barnett leaves? Yes, I am. To have a person that is coordinating these services is of really critical importance. This office has gone through some change, obviously, in the last several years. And I'm so proud of the work that Commissioner Barnett has done. He is a person that is just packed full of integrity and something that we saw even in the budget that we delivered yesterday. Look, we've had programs that we've tried out that have been successful. We've had programs that we've tried out that have not. And I feel that Todd has done a great job navigating that. And what he is is honest. He'll acknowledge it when things are going poorly and we shift routes. And he'll also make sure that we're counting it when we're seeing successes. It would save you a lot of money, though, if you didn't fulfill that position, right? Do you think the city would be notably less safe if you didn't have someone that position? We need someone in that position to coordinate the services. I think there's no doubt about that. I do think that there would be a negative impact of not having the position. The position is one position, and so no, there's not a notable impact on property taxes because of that spot alone. I think, you know, there's work that we have done. I mean, in the budget speech yesterday, we... We announced that, hey, you know, there's a program that is these ambassadors. We're going to double down on that because it's working. You know, they're able to respond to dispatch. They've got radios. They're all set up and coordinated so that they're able to keep an area clean, help keep it safe. And we've got those that have been rolled out in uptown and on Lake Street. And then there's another program that we've got, which, again, was done with really benevolent intentions with some incredible community leaders and violence interruptors. And, you know, truthfully, it's just a lot harder to track the progress there. And so that program got a cut, I'm sure, to the chagrin of many. But we're just trying to be straightforward and honest about where we are right now.

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Last thing, what can you tell us, and I know the timeline for getting someone firmly hired as the next police chief is still months away, but tell us what has been taking place in the last month or so in this process. We've got the application that is open and people are applying. We are going to be going through some community engagement sessions in all precincts of the city. And then, yes, we'll, of course, have an interview process that we're going through. I'm really optimistic. I know that there's some great people that will be applying for this job. I also am really grateful for interim chief Peterson. He's doing a hell of a job right now. He's stabilized the department. I think he's got a whole lot of respect, both internally and externally. And, you know, we're having communication with him virtually every day. I always appreciate it, sir. Thanks so much. We'll reach out again, and we'll see at the fair in a couple weeks. You got it. Thanks so much, Shed. The mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frey. What do you want to say? We covered a lot of topics. The budget safety is going to be huge. I know a lot of texts are coming in. What is your number one takeaway from our conversation with the mayor of the biggest city, the city that drives the economic engine in the state, the city of Minneapolis? 6-5-1-461-9-2-2-6. Water, water, water. You need it. But you're way better off if you have water that you're drinking is the right type of water, that a lot of the contaminants, almost all the contaminants are out of there. That's what I have when I'm home with Aquarius home services and the fact they're a license authorized independent Connecticutico dealer. You get that fabulous Connecticutico drinking water system. And it's not just for when you're drinking, when you're making food, whatever it might be. You also want to get through Aquarius, the water softener. The water softener, they had so much success with the deal in July, they're offer now. You can still trade in your older water softener and get $500 off. a new, efficient, and already reasonably priced water softer from Aquarius. All of a sudden, the dishes are better. The laundry is better. When you're taking the shower, it's better. And if you have any repair issues with any of these items. including air conditioner and even thinking about the furnace for three, four months down the line, they are outstanding. Earning the right to be recommended since 1987, Aquarius homeservices.com. Among the checks coming in reacting to the mayor of Minneapolis, if he would have negotiated with Trump and the ICE agents, we wouldn't be in this situation. It's his fault. ICE was even in town.

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Oh, yeah. Give Trump Bovino and Kristi Noem more leeway for that fiasco. Are you kidding me? Finding illegal immigrants who have committed criminal offenses and have not faced the full punishment of law, sign me up. But can you honestly say that was handled in a safe, non-racial profiling legal way? Because if it can, we just wholeheartedly disagree. More checks. Taxes could certainly be lowered by reclassifying city council positions back to part-time. How much money is that going to save? I don't think that's going to save dramatically. More checks. The city way over spans. You can't keep raising real estate taxes every year like you're doing. People can't afford it. You're driving people out of the city. Also as a result, rents keep going up buildings, driving more people out of the business leaving. Don't just look at two years, five years and ten years and be more fiscally responsible. Listen, any mayor or any individual. who's the mayor at this point of major cities, Dave, in particular, Minneapolis, with George Floyd, with COVID, with the numbers not going to work, with the value of a lot of properties in particular in downtown Minneapolis dramatically decreasing. Now, the mayor is saying a lot more getting full. That's good. I'm not sure. I mean, we're down there almost every day. I'm not today due to some. extenuating circumstances. But, Dave, I still see a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, town. But I will say this, the two of us, some on air, but we're all off air. I think we've commented, and Carter and Susan in this conversation a lot too. It does seem to me, and it's more, you know, what we're seeing with our eyes as opposed to the data that Jacob Frey offered up. That Tuesday, Wednesdays and Thursdays, to me. seem busier than they were a year ago or even in the spring. What do you think? I would add Fridays to that list, too. I think Fridays are busier than they used to be. I think Mondays are clearly the lightest day. At least it's obvious to me traffic-wise, especially when I leave here after the show. It's a breeze getting home, whereas other days it's just slower on 94. But it certainly, I mean, every day is busier than it was. you know, one, two years ago easily. Yep. Mary Moriarty is the problem. It's pretty clear. That's who Jacob was referring to. Okay. This show has been very clear. I don't think she's lived up to the requirements of the job. I think the punishment has been too soft on repeat offenders, including kids. And I think Hennepin County and law enforcement has a chance to be in a better position. with someone new, although to me, Anders Fulke is going to be harder on some of those kids than Cedric Frazier because it seems like, you know, seems like he's a bit in line with what Mary's saying, you know, and that is a huge issue. And again, there's a lot of blame on the mayor for the repeat juvenile offenders.

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What is he supposed to do in that area? Right. They arrest them. Okay. They don't then decide what the punishment should be or if there is punishment. I get it. You need to have more police. You need to find ways to try to slow the crime before it happens or have enough police officers out there when you know that criminality is taking place. But. Last time I checked, I don't think the mayor then goes into court and files charges or decides if those charges should be filed, Dave. I don't think Minneapolis is rather unique in that area. I think he tries the cases too. Yeah. Is he the judge also? Yeah, judge, jury, prosecutor. He does it all. It's a great, I mean, a lot going on, but he does a nice job with it. And let me be clear, that does not take any mayor completely off the hook for safety issues. It does not. He has to own it. He gets whatever benefit and he gets the blame. But he's not in court. You know, we got to put that in a little bit of perspective. Twins are playing where tonight will remind you set up our next conversation related to that topic. When we come back on the home of the twins, CCM, feel the dreams and the twins tonight. They're playing in Dyersville, Iowa. Twins and Phillies. Ball game you'll hear here on. CCO. Isn't on Apple? Is that what I've spotted? Netflix. Netflix. Okay. Got it. So that leads us to a topic we both were thinking of greatest sports movie of all time. Greatest sports movie all time. Everybody has an opinion on this one. Six, five, one. 461-9-226. What do you have as the greatest sports movie of all time since the twins are playing Kevin Costner, James Earl Jay Jones, Ray Leota, Field of Dreams. Zero to 10, Dave Harrigan, Field of Dreams. I loved that movie as a kid. I watched a billion times. I'm going to say it is a seven. We're in sync. I really like it. I may not love it, but I think it's very well done. It was relatable. You could take it as deep as you wanted to. Maybe even 7 plus. Maybe 7 on the edge 8. It's a very good movie.

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Rolling Stones top 30 sports movies of all time. Let's go through a little bit of the list. Should I just start at number one as opposed to building up? What do you want me to do? I want you to start at number 23. No, go ahead. Go ahead. Number one. Let's get the big dog out of the way. Exactly. Let's do the opposite. We're building drama. Let's just, you know, like you ruined the drama right away. Hoop Dreams, number one. This is the William Bill Gates, Arthur A.G. As they're trying to show themselves to be basketball stars, it's fantastic. Loved it. That has to be on the list, right? Yes, it does have to be on the list. Number one, no, but put it on the list. No. Whoa. How about? Number two, this has to be in the conversation for top five, the original Rocky. You know how I feel about the original Rocky. Well, you're wrong, because the original Rocky is a tremendous movie. If you like a nap, or in the middle of it. Oh, my God. Who hurt you? What's wrong with you? I'm sorry. It's, what, two and a half hours long? And until you get to the fight, most of it is just a snooze fest. It is. Storyline. This guy who's doing nothing in his life. He's struggling. Doing nothing. That sounds like most of the movie. And Apollo Creed picks him, and we find out about Mickey, the gal, the gal's obnoxious brother, Apollo, what's going to happen? Gonna fly now. I mean, come on. You don't like the underdog. You just like going with, you like going with Apollo. You like going with the winners, the superstars, the bullies. That's what you didn't like about the movie. I could have cut 45 minutes out of that movie and made it better. The Bad News Bears three. Fantastic. I mean, this is so Wheelhouse for me. Ninety-six. God, I'm old. God, I hate saying this. Eleven years old, playing Little League with Walter Beth out and his lack of effort and Kelly League and Tatum O'Neill and the other smack talkers on the team. Now, you're a... Megalomaniac coach, so you probably don't like that because Walter doesn't take it serious enough. It's a very, very enjoyable movie. Number four, Raging Bull. Too comedic for me. You know, lighthearted. Yeah, it's a bit silly. Tremendous, right? I mean, as Jake Lamata. De Niro and Scorsese, one of the 7,000 movies they've worked together, the transformation, the Lamata story. That's way up there. Next, despite Chevy Chase almost ruining the movie. Get out. Because he's a lonesome person.

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Caddyshack, number five. Ty Webb is a loathsome person in a lot of ways. He's perfect for play, Ty. Number six, Bull, Durham. Is that Dave Harrigan's number one? Baseball sports movie. Yes. Yes, it is. I had a high school baseball coach who turned me on to that one. I had never seen it, and he would quote the manager and the assistant coach all the time during practices and games. And so I just started loving it for that reason, but it's got everything you want in a baseball, a sports, and a little relationship-y movie, too. Number seven is the only movie my father brought me to and then remove me from the movie. What movie is it, Dave Eric? I remember the story. That would be Paul Newman, the Hanson brothers, and Slapshot. That's it. That is it. Now, if Louis was here, he would probably say, That was because of the hockey movie, and your father didn't like hockey. Yeah, that's probably true. I'm not eliminating that. It's playing a role. But boobs are us. I think my father was troubled by that a little bit. Okay. And Slapshot is hysterical. It's also overrated. Oh, God, honestly, you're in timeout. Go to time out. Sorry, it's overrated. There's some funny stuff, but okay, it's seven on the list. Perpetual, funny stuff. Oh, Mr. Highbrow, Mr. McNeill-Layer, you know, go to the library, you know. Eight, I'll go through 10, and then we'll go to the Texers. When we were Kings. Ollie, Foreman. Rumble in the jungle, the brilliance, the character, the personality of Muhammad, and the country rallying to him, that's way up on my list also. Yeah, great done. Yeah, I never saw the Senate. What an amazing Formula One racer he became. And is it all, he's the one who suffers the catastrophic injury, right? I think that's Senna. I may be wrong. And then get out of here with this one. Friday Night Lights, the television show is immensely better than the movie. And maybe that's what I'm saying. It's an okay movie. Now, it's our guy, Buzz Bissinger. Buzz used to come on the show a lot. I hope Buzz is okay. He's had some demons in his life. But did you see the movie? And are you with me? The television show is just so much better. I saw the TV show before the movie. I liked the TV show very much. Then saw the movie and said, eh, it's fine. I'm with you. TV show better.

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Rudy. I didn't love Rudy. That's okay. I think the younger you are, the more you appreciate that movie. The older, it's kind of, all right, too, sappy. Yeah. Brian's song. One of the, well, let's just say this. The greatest sports movie that was just on regular television. Correct. Yep. Right. And probably the greatest excuse for grown men to cry. Yeah. The Natural. Dave Harrigan says what about The Natural? It's a very good movie. Still prefer other baseball movies, but it's up there. Kingpin, Dave Arrigan. I love Kingpin so much. It is. Big Earn, Ernie McCracken, Bill Murray's greatest role, and don't fight because you're wrong. It's crude, man, but there's a lot of good. Longest yard, let's separate. The original. Great. The new one, get out of here. Come on. Yeah, that's fair. Silly. This person says, is a Minnesotan Miracle Little Big League and Mighty Ducks. Little Big League and Mighty Ducks. Overrated. Major League. Texer says because of Uker. Uker is a star that movie. Is there any doubt? He absolutely is. I mean, there's a lot of good stuff, though, from the manager to, I mean, Charlie Sheen, obviously, good and great in the movie. I can't remember Berringer. He's outstanding. Yeah. Jeremy Corbyn Brinson. Did you love Jeremy Corbyn Brinson? That's right, the third basement, right? Pride of the Yankees. I mean, if we want to get emotional. For sure. Happy Gilmore and happy Gilmar 2. Get out of here on Happy Gilmart 2. Yeah. Terrible. Absolutely terrible. Somebody saying the playback on Odyssey slowed down. Can we get on that? Can we get people on that? I'll just spin the wheel a little quicker. It's tiring work, but I'll try to keep it going. The list and also this texter is trying to include. The Big Lobowski. No. You cannot include the Big Lobowski. Because they bowl a few times, right? Yeah, it's about guys in a sticky situation that happened to be in a bowling league. It's an amazing movie. It's tremendous, but it's not a sports movie. Just like Diehard, not a Christmas movie. Ferris Bueller went to a Cubs game. It's not a sports movie. No, no, no, no. Lots of good contenders. We appreciate it as always. Argy Hauser. What happens next in the big races and what surprised him most? Tom will lead us off early next hour.