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I don't know. What's the next animal that kills people? What? Why are you laughing? I'm not laughing. It's not what you expect. Um, spiders? Nope. Not even in the top five. Oh, I want to guess the top five. Is a tiger on there? No. Bear. No. Lion. No. Oh, my. Oh, what's the one that tramples you to death? An elephant? Yeah, a giraffe or an elephant maybe? No. I think we need to look inward here. May I? Dan, you haven't cheated, right? I have not. Okay, go ahead. I would say humans. Number two. Well, of course. I would have guessed humans were number one. We're animals. Mosquitoes kill more people than humans. That is correct. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. So get back to the animals. First of all, number one's a bug, and second of all, number two is us. So give me three to ten. I can give you three to five. Okay. I have the rest of 10. Oh, you go ahead then. Do them all. So starting at number 10, Dana, you've already said it. Hi, hippos and elephants share a category. Oh, they're angry. Roughly 500 each. Crocodiles, roughly 100, or a thousand, excuse me. Dang. Of dumb people. Scorpions, anywhere from 2,600 to 3,300. Scorpions! Oh, they'll get you. T-S-E-T-S-E fly. The C-C-C-C-C-C-Fly. Yep, 10,000. Assassin Bugs, 10,000, freshwater snails, more than 20,000. Wait, wait, because I'm stuck on C-T-C. Go back, what was after that one? Assassin bugs? What is that? I don't know. They give you the... Chagas disease. Okay. Oh, God. What does it look like? I just have a heart attack if I saw one of those things. That's how you die. Freshwater snails. They're number five. I'm not even going to try to say that illness. Freshwater snail. How do they kill you? A parasitic worm. Oh. This is why you don't eat. We'll talk about this yesterday. Oysters. I'm afraid I'm going to say a bad word of. Yeah. Good try. Dogs. Number four. Bingo. Anywhere from 30 to 60,000. Deaths? Mm-hmm. And snakes. Worldwide. And snakes is number three. Anywhere from 100 to 140,000. I wondered where dogs would be on that list. Honestly, it's higher than I thought it would be. So listen to this. Did you hear the Supreme Court of the United States? This is not an onion headline. This is not a joke. Did not see the case soon enough to weigh in in time? to halt euthanizing a dog deemed vicious in California. Great Pyrenees. Oh, we're going to be unpacking this one. How a dog, and I love animals, you know I love animals. How a case like this gets all the way to the United States Supreme Court, I need you to explain that to me. Somebody who has a lot of money and apparently wants to keep this dog alive for reasons I don't understand. His name was Bruce. Was. And in all of the photographs, Bruce looks like this floppy-eared You know why? Because you don't take a picture of your dog when it's tried to eat somebody's arm. You only get the cute ones when they're at home just with you and they're loving. It was the Santa Paula Animal Rescue Center that filed the emergency motion to try and halt the euthanasia of the dog that attacked, wait for it, several people. A judge had ordered that the dog, Bruce, be euthanized. After it attacked four people between 2024 and 2026, all unprovoked attacks.

one of them was a child like got her face one of them was um the dog was tethered outside of his CVS and a guy was just walking by to go into the CVS and he attacked him bite wounds to his knee chest and forearm Two months later, Bruce attacked a woman who walked by him and his owner in their apartment complex. Bruce weighed 100 pounds. Final attack happened in February when the dog attacked a man who was pushing his wife around in a wheelchair around their building. He was muzzled at the time and knocked the man to the ground. I have all kinds of questions about this. Okay. How was it allowed to get to four victims? Because if I'm victim number two, certainly number three and or four, I'm suing everybody. And number two, how could you get insurance? Well, you probably don't have it. Where you live after your dog bites for people, there's absolutely no way you can insure. So you don't have it. Just like there are people driving on that road right behind you that have no insurance in their car. How do you, as a dog owner, I love animals. I know you do. How do you let it get to two, let alone four? You care more about the dog than you do the people at bites. How do you take this case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court? Scott, I don't know. Where did the money come for lawyer's fees to take it that far up? And what lawyer is going to take the case of a four-biting dog? Of saving Bruce from death. And they're going to take that all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court and standing in that hollowed hall is going to make an argument to the highest court in the land. That Bruce needs to be safe. It is an extremely unusual emergency request that reached the desk of Justice Elena Kagan on Wednesday. Okay? Yeah. Most of the time, these emergency requests, as you can imagine, are requests for stay of execution. Mm-hmm. For a human. Correct. This is a dog, a three-year-old dog, who bit four people that we know of. Bit four people that we know of. Some of the bite victims required skin grafts. Bruce deserved to die. Well, I don't want it. That's, you know. Well, let me ask you this. If there was a dog... Bruce was brought up in an unstable environment. And so, you know, can you have a dog like that around the public? No. I don't know what the answer is. I'm not... You have to put him down. Yeah. As the dog owner, really the only option is putting him down. If you had a dog like Bruce in your neighborhood, what would you want done to Bruce? I would not want him to be in the neighborhood. What if they said, well, we're going to take him out to the country?

The problem with saying that. And give them to a farm family. Yeah, the farmers love it when you dump their dogs off in the country. No, no, no. What I'm saying is what if the family came to you? He's going to a farm. And said, we've got somebody who owns a farm out in Ottawa who's going to take Bruce. Yep. We're really sorry about all the trouble. We're sorry that Johnny is in the hospital because he got bit. But he's going off to a farm. And you're okay with that? No, because the problem going off to a farm is the Amazon driver now or the DoorDash delivery driver. Or the mailman. Or the mailman. You know, just because you live on a farm doesn't mean no one comes to visit. Right. I mean, I feel bad. You feel bad for Bruce? Oh, there's the photos. Yeah, these are graphic bite injuries, you guys. He's 100 pounds. Graphic. Graphic. What happened? Describe the bottom left. Oh, God. What's blurred out? His face. His lips. Yeah. Bruce bit him on the mouth. I mean, it's time to go. Bye, Bruce. And I just, I go back to me. I'm sorry the humans could not have served him better. That is correct. You know. But. These humans apparently are of means because how did they get lawyers to get all the way to the Supreme Court? The humane society that ended up with him took the case over. But here's what's interesting. Even people who work in animal rescue will tell you that there are some cases where you do everything you can, Scott. You do the best that you can. You can't save them all. No, absolutely not. And least of them, Bruce. Well, and shame on these owners for not adjusting their behavior with Bruce. Fair point. Turns out they were homeless. I didn't know that either. And the owner that surrendered him to the Humane Society said it was because of the upheaval of moving from place A to place B and always being around different people. Why did you have a dog in the first place? I don't have an answer for that either. We see it out here all the time. We saw it in that lawsuit in Clay County. 9113-586-77-98-58-7-9-8 here on Dana & Parks.

In certain, you know, if you're pre-med, you're not going to be able to take your classes past fail. If you're in medicine or health at all. This is only for the College of Literature, Arts, or something or other. But that is the bulk of Michigan's freshman class every year. So what is the mental health crisis we're dealing with exactly? Oh, that's very real. The acclamation moving from living at mom and dads in high school and then most likely living on your own in a dorm. So like responsibility. At university. It's that, but it's also, Sam, I think to live up to expectations of society. No, I think if you look at. Functioning as a human. At the numbers. There is no doubt we have a mental health crisis in our young people. I completely agree with you. And I argued for years that we don't give enough attention attention to the 20 to 25 year olds and what they're going through as they're expected to know what they want to do for the rest of their life. Yes. And figure out how to provide for a family and all this crazy stuff that we're supposed to figure out when quite frankly our brains haven't even fully developed yet. But to take something like college and just say, well, I mean, you're a little anxious about your responsibility, so we're just going to remove it from you. Sounds ridiculous. But why do you have to have grades your freshman year? Why even go? You know, coming in, your high school transcript is going to have to be, what, 3.0 or better? Bs are better. For the most part. For the most part, bees are better. So you're not like... a slacker. You're not slacking off. And be honest, your freshman year, one of the classes is, what did they call it? It's like the acclamation class. There's actually an acclamation. course your freshman year. Okay. Navigating campus. You're not making your point very well. What I'm saying is like that I'm not saying that it's not challenging. The class is freshman year first semester are a joke. Then why does it matter if it's a grade or pass fail? If you're basically taking math 101 and English 101 and probably Western Civ. Western Civ 1. And maybe I'm a jerk, but honey, if you can't handle that, you're in the wrong place. Yeah, maybe. I mean, I got a 2.2 first semester at Nebraska. You got to work at that. I didn't. That's the point. I didn't need to get acclimated. It was party time. If I had studied, opened a book, got serious about my studies, I would have been just fine. Yeah. What? When I got to Nebraska, I was like, oh, there's a party at 26 and P. There's a party at 19th and R. Ooh, there's a party tonight at 13th in Q. I'm going to go to that one. That was my Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights. Right.

And what I wasn't doing was studying, reading, doing my homework, and I got a 2.2. Second semester, I got serious. Started reading, going to the library most nights. Walked out my second semester with a 3.6 because I committed. If the grades don't matter, why even make me show up? I'll just pay you 50 grand and you can hand me a piece of paper that says I graduated. Well, you do have to get a passing grade. You do have to get a passing grade and you do have to show up. The one thing that the technology did when my kids went through school is that you have to check in with your cell phone. They do a little like, how do you describe this? Like a game on your cell phone and you check in playing the game. So like at the very beginning of the class, they would describe it as like the professor would say, all right. Time for the Quizlet, and they'd put it up and say, which Beatles, singer, it could be whatever. And you have to weigh in. And if you do not weigh in, you are not counted as. You could be wrong as long as you weigh in. It's how they know your butt is in class. They need activity on your phone. Yes. Okay, got it. The student body president who is mostly in favor of this idea. I think he's a junior or senior now. Why did you say that? Because he wants to be student body president next year. Okay. He says if this was in place when he was a freshman first semester, he would not have tried as hard as he did when he knew the grades counted. Oh, I'm sure. Let me rephrase. When he knew he would get an actual letter grade, A, B, C, D, or F. And he thinks what this might end up doing is freshmen first semester are going to do just the bare minimum. to get by with, I mean, you get a D and you've had a successful first semester. Suicide is the second leading cause of death among college students in the United States. So it. But is that not an indication that we're not preparing them well enough? No, I think. I think that's the problem. There are probably, oh, Sam, I would walk that back, man. I don't think with respect, you haven't attended enough funerals. You just don't have enough, and this is not a knock, I'm just saying, you start to get life experience under your belt, and you start to see what these cases look like from families that had everything, like, absolutely had everything. What possibly could there be wrong? I have attended way too many funerals of young people. And so it's not just as easy as, well, everybody's lazy. And it is complex and it is layered. And thank God, I thank God every day. That did not touch our family, but it certainly touched our circle of friends and family, immediate circle of friends and family. And let me be clear. Suicide is a very serious. and often unaddressed issue in these United States. But it is a bit of a numerical misnomer to say it's the second leading cause of death for college kids because what else is going to affect their mortality? My guess is alcohol. They're highly unlikely to get cancer, highly on a college campus, highly unlikely for deadly violence. You know, car accidents, maybe.

But, you know, I think they cook the books a little bit when they say suicide is a second leading cause of death. And I'm not trying to negate in any way or minimize the importance of addressing the mental health issues that might lead someone to even consider that at such an early and young age or at any age, for that matter. But to Sam's point, and I think I can see where both of you are coming from here. you're preparing these young people for their professional life. Sure. When you get your first job coming out of college, they're not going to tell you, hey, you know, your first six months here, we're not going to really pay any attention to what you're doing or not doing. We're still going to pay you. All you have to do is show up and we're going to keep paying you. But if you said to me, We're going to send these kids through this program, and it's never going to matter how they do. I would understand that that's probably not going to work. A lot of people are going to be partying. Freshman year, you sort of made my point, I think, for me, Scott, when like the freshman year college classes are generally very entry level. Yes, that's why they're called 101. Yes, very entry level. And so does it really matter? But if they're that easy, then why not grade them on it? Why not say, you know, you're going into math 101. This is basically a recap of what you just did three months ago at Shawnee Mission North or, you know, Liberty High School. And just a little bit tougher. I mean, we're setting you up for success. That first semester is really to weed out the me's at Nebraska. the people who only care about the parties, who really are not paying any attention. They're so easy, it's almost embarrassing. And yet I still managed a 2.2 because I didn't care. I think this will surprise you. Nearly 27% of students report engaging in self-injury, not all the way up to, but just below, 27%. Roughly 11 to 12% in school experience serious thoughts during their time. And college age men die in that manner at significantly higher rates than women. 9113-5-8-6-7-9-98, here on Dana and Parks.

By the way, this might be a solution looking for a problem. There is a thing apparently called grade inflation that is going on at universities around the country. Listen to this, because it's at the University of Michigan, and they're not alone in what's called grade covering, okay? Where freshman first semester, you get a pass or, what was it, pass or no credit is what we used to call pass or no pass, or pass fail. But it might be a solution looking for a problem. At the University of Michigan, a review found that, follow me here on the numbers, 74% of all undergrad grades in 2022 were A plus, A or A minus. 74% of all grades were A's. A decade earlier, that number was 58%. That's what they're calling grade inflation where they're either dumbing down these early level classes. I don't know how you can dumb them down anymore, but apparently they're trying. Or professors are just making it easier to pass tests. And if more kids are getting A's, I mean, dramatically so. It's almost 20% higher now than it was 10 years ago. Why do we need to do grade covering? Three quarters of all grades given at the undergrad level at Michigan were A's. Three quarters. 9113-586-7798. Lloyd in Kansas City. Hello. Hello, Lloyd. Hi. Can you hear me all right? Yes, sir. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. I certainly want to make clear from the very beginning that I certainly don't. It's disturbing for the young adults to be committing suicide for whatever combined reasons it is. My own personal experience, when I left high school and went into college the first year, I became academically ineligible. And this was this first thing it came to my mind wasn't, well, I think I needed to commit suicide, you know, because things are so bad. I went to night school, actually to what used to be the Kansas Junior College here, got my grades back up and eventually ended up on the dean's list by the time I got. I got finished all four years. I just don't, I just don't think that I don't understand. Maybe Sam is right. Maybe we're just not preparing people. My mindset had nothing to do with committing suicide. Hey, Lloyd, appreciate the call, man. Thank you for it. Yep. All right, you take care. A story here from the New York Post. Flock, yes, the camera company, is slashing how long its license plate cameras store data from 30 days to seven days while forcing cops to justify every search amid mounting scrutiny from privacy advocates and politicians. So wait, first they said it really wasn't an issue. that officers were going rogue and looking up their ex-spouses or love interests. Now they're saying it is such an issue, which is it, that they're changing the system? I don't know. Now, which one is it? Because they were saying this wasn't happening. Now they're saying, because I guarantee you, they're watching the news and everyone's, you know, vandalizing the cameras, trying to get them taken down, screaming to their city council representatives. Now they're saying, okay, well...

You got us. It sort of was happening. So we're going to make it harder. And by the way, by making it harder, you now have to import before if a police officer anywhere wanted to look you up in the flock system. In any city, in any state, it doesn't, it's not like geo-fenced, right? An officer in New York could look you up right now in Kansas City is the way. The way I understand it. Before they had to give a reason. And the reason could be, wait for it. Investigation. Well, that's technically true. That could be the reason. Or they would write in some of the people that got fired. They would write in things like outstanding warrant. Okay? Under the new system, they're saying you're going to have to be more specific. about exactly what you're looking up people for and the system they say will look up patterns so that I don't know if you look up the same license plate 96 times in two days it red flags that so I also believe them just about as far as I could throw a concrete mounted flock camera I literally don't believe any of this anymore say I don't I am with I am conspiracy theory Sam on this and it's not even a conspiracy theory like it's actually happening Where was there a flock camera damaged or destroyed earlier today? It was nearby. Carney, Missouri. Do we have any information on what happened up in Carney? Somebody took a saw-z-all to the pole. It was on a pole. Is that a euphemism? Poll's not there anymore. Block cameras on the ground. I'm not condoning it. I'm not either. I would never, ever suggest. The vigilante justice to a flock camera. The story that got me yesterday was one city released surveillance video, a flock photo, if you will, flock photo of a guy damaging. a flock camera. And the authorities, I think it was in Michigan, wherever, Walker, Shaw, Wisconsin. This is literally what they post. Walk a Shaw police are asking the public to help identify this man suspected of damaging a flock license plate reading camera Wednesday night. And I wrote, if these works so well in fighting crime, shouldn't you already know who it is? He's not wearing a license plate. Which is it? Do they work or do they not work? All right, so Flock has said, here's what we're going to do, guys. We're going to lower the length of time that we can store the data from 30 days to seven days, one week. Okay? Okay. Here's the problem with that. 90% of investigative searches on Flock's system occur within one week. So they're getting rid of 10% of the searches. So they're doing nothing. Exactly. Oh, there's been two that were vandalized. Sorry, I should take the excitement out of my voice. Oh, darn, there's been two that were vandalized in Lebanon, Missouri. Darn it. I'm telling you guys, if you missed our conversation yesterday about deflock.org, just remember that website, and you're going to pull it up, and you're going to see a map, and your jaw is going to hit the floor, because that is...

The entirety of Kansas City and St. Louis are covered in these things. Covered. The population of Lebanon, Missouri is 15,000. If you guys can't find a license plate, you need a new police department. Okay. The CEO of Flock, his name is Garrett Langley. He says, Sam, I've realized communities need my help. They need flock to set the standard for how this kind of technology should be deployed. I think sadly, police abuse has been a problem for longer than people want to talk about it. But they were saying it wasn't a problem. You understand what I'm saying? They're now saying the whole problem that we've been screaming about for months on this program is a problem. Is a problem. And it was hilarious because there was another executive. I don't know if it was a CEO or whatever, but I heard it in one of the stories about limiting their storage, which again. That's not how the cloud works. It doesn't just disappear. But whatever. We'll discuss that another time. He said, well, you do need to understand that we won't be able to solve as many crimes. Who said that? One of the executives with Flock about. That's absolutely false. Yeah. You're just making stuff up. Well, they need these cameras to be in place and cities to pay them the rent, if you will. That's right. For them to make money and vacation in the Bahamas every two months. How else can they watch the park near my house 24 hours a day? I mean... I will say what we discussed on this program again yesterday. If these cameras are so great in solving crime, because now they're everywhere, there's a bazillion of these cameras all over every city in town in America. If they're so great at solving crime, why don't we have a 100% solve rate? In every police department, there should be no more unsolved crime. If these actually worked as a police department tool, there would be no, we need your help in an Amber Alert, we need your help finding this. If they work so well, we should be solving everything up in here. Have you noticed that in the last, I don't know, probably four, five, six months? Three things that were never on our radar have literally consumed the American public's mindset and their frustration. And can you name all three? Easily. All right, go ahead. Data centers. Yep. Flock cameras. AI. That is correct. How did I forget AI? Three things that six months ago, we had heard of AI.

But we didn't understand it. And it was just Tom Cruise in some sort of video that didn't even really look like Tom Cruise or sound like him, but fine, it was good enough. That was my understanding of AI six months ago. Okay? Now AI is this big, scary monster that I don't understand at all and is now going rogue on other systems and is going to blow up the world a la war games. I will tell you this, Sam. Scott and I had a story in our stack today, but it turns out it was like three weeks ago. There is a Supreme Court decision that I think should also apply to the flock cameras. If you think about it, Scott, where the Supreme Court recently, and I don't know how you and I missed this, Sam, a month ago, the Supreme Court recently ruled you have to have a warrant to do the geofence cell phone dragnet search. Good. The search where if there's a rapist that was somewhere at 4 in the morning. In order for you to go and ask the cell phone company for all of the cell phones that were pinging at that time on this block, you have to have a warrant now to do that because they said, people use these cell phones every single day, and we do have a reasonable expectation of privacy as a law-abiding citizen, even if I happen to be hanging out with friends on that block where the crime occurred, you can't just sweep me up in some dragnet without a warrant, and that was the ruling in this case, okay? Why would the flock cameras be any different? Do you not have a reasonable expectation? to freely maneuver about and live your life from Lawrence to Kansas City. Now I'm going to drive over in there to Waldo and then I'm going to drive back. Reasonable expectation that someone is not tracking your movement. That makes it for, by the way. Save that question. Save that question. We're late on the break. We can answer that when we get back here on Dana and Parks. Las Vegas was built for stars. And on August 22nd, two of boxing's biggest take center stage. Raleigh Romero never follows the script. This is my game. Tio Fimo Lopez has never needed one. This guy's got a big mouth. For years, they've had plenty to say. All your do is tall. But with world championship gold on the line, can they back it? Tio, I'm here. I'm going all in. It's time to put up or shut up. Raleighamero versus Tiofimo Lopez. August 22nd. I'll shut you up. Watch on DeZone and DeZone on Prime Video. Nerds! Today's episode is sponsored by NerdWallet's Smart Money podcast. Personal finance can feel like a pop quiz you didn't study for. This podcast is your study guide. On NerdWallet's Smart Money podcast, you'll hear from trusted journalists who explain the why behind major financial decisions. You'll get research-backed insights and clear pros and cons, whether you're planning a big purchase or just want to grow your wealth. Make your next financial move with confidence. Follow NerdWallet's Smart Money podcast on your favorite podcast app. It is not hard to destroy a college. Last season, the podcast, Campus Files, brought you stories of fraternity drug rings, stolen body parts, campus cults, and more. And now, Campus Files is back for another season. There's a guy screaming into his phone. He's like, I just saw Charlie Kirk just assassinated right in front of me. Every week is a new episode and a new story. It was so chaotic. It's almost like a university on a siege.

Listen to and follow campus files. Available now wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Danny, if you would reposite your question. I don't even remember what my question was. We were talking about geo, not geo fencing, but, and then why does that not apply that recent Supreme Court decision to flock cameras as an illegal search and seizure? I would urge you to look it up. The case is the Chautry. Chautry, C-H-A-T-R-I-E, and they just ruled a few weeks ago. that they do need a warrant for this sweeping cell phone geofence data. So the best example I can give you, let's say there is a rape in the middle of the night on a certain block. Authorities would go to... the cell phone companies and say, we want, on this area, between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m., who owns the cell phones that were on right here? Who ping this area? And then from there, they could narrow down, all right, well, these are all women, so we know the rapist isn't a woman, we're going to let them go, that you narrow down, this is who's left at that time. The court ruled that law enforcement use of those sprawling warrants that sweep up smartphone location is unconstitutional. You have to have a warrant to do it. It does count as a Fourth Amendment search. And this is the important one. Individuals do have a reasonable expectation of privacy, even if they may be in a public area with respect to their cell phone's location. And then you asked, how is this not similar? What, flock? It is a third party. That would apply. And even here, the court ruled with the cell phone stuff. They were trying to say with the geofense data, you've already agreed to T-Mobile and Google that under terms and conditions, they can do what they want to with your data. The court ruled that doesn't matter. Now, with the geo-fencing of the phones, I agree with that Supreme Court decision. That is an illegal search and seizure. I have the right to have an affair when my wife is out of town and not get caught up in some drag net. But flock would argue we're not giving people the license plates of every single person who was driving down I-35 between Lamar and Antioch at this time. What we're looking for is one specific license plate. That would be their argument. They may not be. That doesn't mean they can't. They most certainly can. And by the way, that now makes it four Supreme Court cases that set precedent.

to make these things illegal. So when does this go all the way? I don't understand why it hasn't happened already. Well, because just like with data centers and to a lesser degree AI, this is a new, I don't mean this word negatively, outrage among the American people. We might have to bring this back tomorrow. I still understand if it's not okay by process of elimination to see whose cell phones are on at the time of a rape at 4 in the morning, okay? If that's not okay. I want you to expand tomorrow and the difference between that and flock. The four cases to dig into 2018 Carpenter versus United States having to do with cell site location. United States versus Jay Jones 2012. Dana, you mentioned Chatri versus U.S. 2026. And then Kilo, Kylo, K-Y-L-L-O versus United States from all the way back in 2001, having to deal with sense enhancing technology. Now, somebody in the text line has an interesting point. Your license plate is owned by the state. They're not searching for you. They're searching for their property. Okay. I'm just making the argument. Okay. In the case of the rapist, they're not searching for the rapist. They're searching for the cell phone. Do I not own my cell phone? You don't own the bandwidth to use it. You don't own the signal that it's putting out at the time you're committing the crime. Yeah, but the signal's not owned by the government. And how many lives will these systems ruin before somebody has enough money to take it all the way to the Supreme Court? Well, I do think the flock camera thing is going to the U.S. Supreme Court at some point. There's no way that somebody isn't already preparing a lawsuit against flock or any city that has it. By the way, Los Angeles, the Karen Bass in Los Angeles, is considering. ending the contract that the police department has with flock in the city of Los Angeles. We got to run. Sam Stevie, Dana Wright, my name is Scott Parks. Have a great night. Be safe, be well, and be good to one another. Good night. See tomorrow. Bye. Thanks for listening to the Dana and Parks podcast. Remember, you can catch us online anytime at KMBZ.com. Las Vegas was built for stars. And on August 22nd, two of boxing's biggest take center stage. Raleigh Romero never follows the script. This is my game. Tio Fimo Lopez has never needed one. This guy's got a big mouth. For years, they've had plenty to say. All you do is tall. But with world championship gold on the line, can they back it? Tio, I'm here. I'm going all in. It's time to put up or shut up. Raleighamero versus Tiofimo Lopez. August 22nd. I'll shut you up. Watch on DeZone and DeZone on Prime Video. Today's episode is sponsored by NerdWallet's Smart Money podcast. Personal finance can feel like a pop quiz you didn't study for. This podcast is your study guide. On NerdWallet's Smart Money podcast, you'll hear from trusted journalists who explain the why behind major financial decisions. You'll get research-backed insights and clear pros and cons, whether you're planning a big purchase or just want to grow your wealth. Make your next financial move with confidence. Follow NerdWallet's Smart Money podcast on your favorite podcast app. Girl, let's get real. Some pads are just diapers with a good PR team, but not the new Kotex BioCare. That's because Kotex BioCare helps defend against odor and irritants. And it's the first and only pad with this pH proactive system that helps optimize the pads pH. Just think of it as self-care for down there. Check out Kotex.com for more details on the all-new Kotex completely redesigned to meet your needs. You asked, we heard.