Former CDC Doctors Criticize Fauci's Senate Testimony

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Because of the respect I have for the legislative branch of government and my decades-long record of cooperating with Congress, under the advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering your questions. Thank you. What followed in that committee hearing was quite a spectacle. And I have to say for the most part, it's very rare, but I did feel represented. by the Republicans on that panel who were elected to represent me and represent you as Republicans in this country. Sadly, because of where I live, I don't actually have direct representation by a Republican. So I have to borrow Bernie Moreno. I have to borrow Ted Cruz. I have to borrow Josh Hawley. But they stepped up and they took on my representation there. And they did very well with it. In fact, even a Democrat represented me pretty well, John Fetterman. We'll get to all of that coming up in a moment. But I do want to say... This is a moment of truth. This is where Republicans can actually show us something, show us that even with the filibuster and even with government shutdowns and even with budgetary constraints and even with divisions within their own party, when they have the majority in the Senate, when they have the majority in the House, as slim as those majorities may be, they can actually do something. They can actually do something. that satisfies what the voters in this country put them there to do. Anthony Fauci was the chief health, public health administrator and chief advisor and policy director for the COVID-19 pandemic. Anthony Fauci, multiple times, went under oath before that legislative body that he claims he has such respect for and gave them false information, or at least information contrary to what he was writing to his colleagues and other scientists in his own emails, as well as to himself in his own government-owned professional journal. He needs to answer for that. He directed our federal government, our president, and multiple governors to suspend this entire nation, economically, professionally, culturally, religiously, all of our lives were turned inside out because of this man's direction and this man's advice. Furthermore, if you wanted to get, oh, what do they call it in the medical business? A second opinion?

If you wanted to hear from another doctor maybe and relay the second opinion information you got from that doctor that may have run contrary to Anthony Fauci's direction, you were ridiculed, you were mocked, you were silenced. In some cases, you were actually punished by government authorities in one way or another. He was the single most powerful and influential, unelected individual in this constitutional republic in decades. And now when finally he has to answer for his policy and how it squares against contrary facts and information from his own hand in writing at the time that he delivered via emails or via his personal government journal, he decides that you're not worthy of getting those answers, that you don't deserve those answers. And the legal experts have all chimed in at various levels. about his invocation of the Fifth Amendment. On the face of it, just from the statement you heard... He violated the invocation of the Fifth Amendment because he began with a four-minute diatribe talking about his years in public service and all of the things that he's done, overseeing our public health agenda for decades from president to president and overseeing our public health agenda at the federal level during the COVID-19 pandemic. Legal experts will say that if you introduce those facts in your testimony, you no longer can plead the fifth because by making those statements, you have opened up the ability. for people to question you about them. The only way he could even barely try to get by by invoking the Fifth Amendment yesterday was to just say those last words that you heard. By the advice of my counsel, I am exercising my rights under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution, and nothing more. That's why later in the questioning, when Senator Holly was asking questions like, what color is your tie, that's exactly what he did. So on the face of it, his invocation of the Fifth Amendment, many legal experts believe, was completely null and void. Compound that fact with our knowledge, our collective knowledge, that Anthony Fauci has a full presidential pardon against any crimes that he may have committed from December of 2014 all the way through January 20th, 2025. He got that pardon from President Biden. I'd like to know what went into getting that pardon. I think we still deserve that information. But he has the pardon. And so later in the hearing, when Senator Rand Paul asked him a very specific question, he said, Anthony Fauci, during...

2014, December 2014 and through January 20th, 2025, the entire time span of his pardon. Did you ever direct a federal employee to destroy a federal record or a federal document? Or did you ever directly destroy a federal document or a federal record? And he refused to answer that question. And the question was specifically pertaining to what would have been a federal law, not a state law, a federal law. during the time that he had a pardon from any crimes committed. And he refused to answer the question. And so there are plenty of legal experts who will tell you, and they've told me, that you cannot invoke the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination when, by definition, there are absolutely no repercussions for your full, complete, and honest testimony. The only other reason why he could have pled the fifth yesterday was as a prophylactic against a perjury charge for his testimony. In other words, you know, I have three choices. I can tell you the truth, which will ruin me. I could lie, which would then set me up for a perjury charge, or I can invoke the fifth. to keep me from lying or telling the truth. And that's what he did yesterday. And there are plenty of legal experts who question whether that is a valid invocation of one's Fifth Amendment rights. I'm not a legal expert. I'm certainly not a medical expert. I'm just an American citizen who all day yesterday was way pissed off. And I think I'm not alone. Coming up is this hour transpires. We're going to play the highlights. And there were some highlights of this hearing. Some senators absolutely stood above the rest. And every single Democrat, save John Fetterman, every single Democrat had its choice. They could either speak for the American people or they can protect their own. And they chose the latter. And I think the timing is right for this election coming up. So as this morning develops, we're going to play you those highlights. We're also going to hear from Dr. Robert Malone, who has plenty to say about the science involved. He's going to join us in about 20 minutes. He's not taken the fifth. He's testified plenty of times about the truth. And it runs very contrary to Anthony Fauci's version. And of course, we're going to hear from you. 855-784-4255. It's O'Connor and Company. For nearly 3,000 years, Homer's The Odyssey has shaped Western imagination. It tells the story of Odysseus as he faces monsters, shipwrecks, false comforts, and impossible choices on his long journey home. As one of the foundational works of Western literature, Homer's epic is more than mythology. It explores permanent questions about courage, duty, loyalty, family, leadership, temptation, and the search for home. In one of the epic's defining moments, Odysseus rejects the offer of immortality from the goddess Calypso, choosing instead the long and difficult journey home. His decision reveals one of the central themes of the Odyssey that a life of duty, family, and home, is greater than a life devoted to comfort or glory. Achilles chose glory. Odysseus chose home. That's why Hillsdale College has released its newest free online course, the Odyssey. Taught by Professor Benedict Wayland, the course reveals why Homer's masterpiece remains one of the greatest works of Western

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We'll hold off. But you will respect these proceedings. You were told not to sit at the table. You insist on sitting at the table. And we told you you would not be recognized. You are not invited here for testimony, sir. You are being disruptive. Would you behave this way in a courtroom? No, because the judge would put you in jail. I can't do that today, but I can have you escorted from the premises. So I would say, sir, sit quietly and don't say another word. About five minutes later, he did have him escorted from the premises by security. It was a disgraceful display by Anthony Fauci and in what could be his final public moment in his long professional career, and it couldn't end in a more fitting fashion. A little later in the proceedings, Chairman... Paul actually addressed to the invocation of the Fifth Amendment and explained how it was not accepted and Nolan Void. This would be cut 10, gentlemen, cut 10 please, if you can grab that one for us. I'd appreciate it. Cut 10. The chairman has denied your assertion of privilege and directed you to answer, but you nonetheless refuse and stand on privilege despite the existence of the pardon. The committee will have to consider, after this hearing, what appropriate action should be taken against you for the failure to testify after being directed to do so. It's against the law to obstruct an investigation of Congress. There will be repercussions to your refusal to testify today. Yeah, it's not just contempt of Congress. This is obstruction of justice, in my opinion. And I think in the opinion of many people advising the chairman, in fact, as things wrapped up around 11 a.m. Eastern, this is cut 16, gents. Cut 16, Chairman Rand Paul, summarizing exactly what's before the committee at this point. Let's be clear today, you know, what we've seen. I really did want to hear from Dr. Anthony Fauci. I wanted to hear perhaps an apology, perhaps some semblance of being sorry for what happened or that judgment errors were made. We didn't hear any of that. But he was subpoenaed here to testify, refused to answer any questions even after being directed by the chair and being advised of the law requiring him to do so. He has cited a privilege that is unsupported because of his blanket pardon and because he waived the privilege by testifying at the start. I'm going to give you one more opportunity to comply with the law, limited to the period of your pardon, at any point between January 1, 2014, and January 1, 2015, did you destroy any federal record or tell anyone else to? Under the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. Given that you have an unlimited presidential pardon, what is your specific objection that you are making?

On the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights. And that was the end of the hearing. And at that point, Rand Paul said, well, we've got some options here. And we're going to have to exercise those options. I'm going to hear from you, 855784-4255. What would you like those options to be? And keep it reasonable. We're not sending them to Gitmo yet. When it comes to supplements, two things matter most, that it works and that you can trust it. And rather than just tell you about relief factor, which I've been telling you about for quite some time now, I want to let our customers do it because we hear from people every single day whose lives have changed. We'd like to hear you to hear a few of their stories, including Mark. Now, Mark was literally in tears from his daily hand joint discomfort. After a week on Relief Factor, he felt 50% better. And now he barely notices any pain. And he loves our customer service. You will too. You got a call for your quick start. Three weeks of Relief Factor for just $17.76. And then maybe you'll be the next person telling us Relief Factor gave you your life back. Just go to Relieffactor.com or call 800 for Relief. You'll connect with our friendly local team. And they'll do everything they can to help. That's relieffactor.com. 804 relief. Dr. Robert Malone on the Anthony Fauci testimony and your calls next. In 2025, the FBI reported that Americans lost more than $21 billion to fraud and identity theft. Identity thieves can steal your social security number, open credit accounts in your name. take over online accounts, and create financial headaches that can take months to fix. Most people don't realize they've been targeted until the damage is already done. That's why more families are turning to Aura. Aura helps protect your identity with fraud alerts, credit monitoring, dark web monitoring, and up to $5 million in identity theft protection. If something does happen, ARA's 24-7 U.S.-based support team can help guide you through the recovery process. You also get a VPN. Antivirus Protection, password manager, and scam protection, all in one app. Don't wait until you're a victim. Protect yourself and your family today. Start your free trial at Aura.com slash safe. That's Aura, a ura.com slash safe. I expect this to be a busy morning, and I expected to be a busy morning because of your input. After yesterday's stunning and historic moment that you heard live right here on this program, Anthony Fauci refusing to answer for anything. A contempt of Congress, sure. How about contempt for the American people? How about contempt for the American people, the elderly who died without a loved one by their bedside? The people who lost their jobs or worse because of the vaccine that wasn't a vaccine that they were forced to take by their employer or by their government. What about the children who lost years of education and social interaction?

Little children who are still traumatized by having to wear a mask during their preschool years. How about contempt for us? That's not a crime, but contempt of Congress is. I'd like to hear from you as this morning goes on, and you'll hear highlights, as I said, from Bernie Moreno, from Josh Hawley and from some other great senators who stepped up yesterday, 855-755-784-4-2-55. I don't want people to come in and say that he should be drawn and quartered, that he should face a firing squad, that he should go to Gitmo. I'm not discounting your feelings or your emotions, but I do want to keep the conversation at a level where, especially if you have some legal expertise or some expertise in these matters. What can and should be done now at this point with Anthony Fauci, with his pardon in his back pocket and his contempt for you and for transparency and the truth? What would you like the next steps to be? Because as far as I'm concerned, this is one of those moments where Republicans can step up and show America exactly what they're capable of doing and why they should earn another six years in the Senate, another two years in the House, and another four years in the White House. Let them hear you. 855-784. 4255. Joining us right now, friend of the program and someone who's been speaking the truth about all matters, Anthony Fauci and COVID-19, pretty much from the beginning. He is Dr. Robert Malone. He is credited as the original inventor of the MRNA technology for vaccines. He is a physician, a bioethicist, an author of the book, Lies My Government Told Me, and The Better Future Coming. Well, Dr. Malone, were you surprised by what happened yesterday? Hi, Larry. I was. I was surprised about how confrontational Tony was coming out of the box. He accused Senator Paul of basically targeting him and having an obsession about him. And I was also surprised that he decided to go ahead and take the fifth. Yeah, I was too.

My analysis had been that, as I think had many, that the Supreme Court decision that makes it so that once one has a presidential pardon, you no longer have the right to take the fifth was obviously his legal team, quite a substantial legal team. had decided to take another tack. And in my analysis of the 15th of Anthony Fauci's options legally, as he went into this, one thread was that if he did take the fifth, it would be because of the threat, the paradoxical threat of state action against him. So this has been one of the strategies many people have advocated for, is that individual states would take action against him. And that puts him in a legal jeopardy position that then supports the decision to take the fifth on all of these because he remains in legal jeopardy. Dr. Malone, have you ever, have you had the opportunity during this entire process to actually speak with Anthony Fauci, ask him your own questions or challenge some of his policy decisions? No, and I can tell you from personal experience in prior outbreak situations, he doesn't take very well to being challenged. And that's really a fool's errand to attempt to do so. He's very unilateral. I have not had the opportunity. And in fact, there was a question posed to him by a third party at one point, if he even knew who I was. And he claimed that he had no awareness of who I was. That's a little bit contradicted by the fact that he'd did subscribe to our substack, and we can tell from Substack who reads it, and whether it was him or one of his minions... he absolutely was frequently opening any of our substack essays, particularly if they mentioned him. That's, well, you know, listen, if it's good enough for Anthony Fauci and his minions, it's good enough for our audience. It's Malone.com. I'm a subscriber, although you may have noticed I've been busy lately. I haven't been reading all of your columns, but many of them I have. It's Malone.com. Join Anthony Fauci and subscribe to that substack. Dr. Belode, if you could have asked questions yesterday and whether Anthony Fauci was going to take the fifth from you or not, what would you like to ask him if you had the opportunity from your expert position?

So that's a strangely complicated question because I was asked actually by Senator Ron Johnson to suggest a question to him, and I did so. I have two that are burning for me. Clearly, we've seen absolutely no sense of contrition. by Anthony Fauci, no apologies, no indication that he is anything but feeling validated and emboldened and empowered by what we went through and has no sense of regret. But what surprised me, particularly in the information that came out when Senator Paul released the diaries. is that we have repeated examples of Anthony Fauci, paradoxically speaking, let's say, gently out of both sides of his mouth. In his diaries, for instance, I think one of the most egregious is that he acknowledges that the case fatality rate was aligned with a more severe influenza outbreak. I knew you would hone in on this, Dr. Malone. I knew you would have because this is what drove me nuts seeing this. All the justification for all those egregious policies that you mentioned all flow from this overinflated. case fatality rate. And so I did craft a question about that that would box him in for Senator Johnson, but Senator Johnson never had any opportunity to ask any question. The, just out today has been a reveal that Anthony Fauci was engaged in a private enterprise involving an MRNA vaccine technology company that was launched in, I believe, 2022. independent of Moderna and Pfizer, and that that has just had an exit resulting in a major financial windfall for him, and this was not previously disclosed. So that's new information, but it raises the, you know, once again raises the question that there's an appearance that Anthony Fauci had some odd conflict of interest. And what another one of the paradoxes is that again and again, his public statements are inconsistent with his private diaries and always aligned with, let's say, the interest of the CCP. And yet in his diaries, he acknowledges the heavy hand of the CCP in influencing WHO policies. So why would Anthony Fauci

make these public statements that are clearly not aligned with his private awareness and knowledge. What was it that motivated him to do that? Now, that's not a question that you can really ask in the Senate because it's easy to wiggle out of it. But for me, that's the burning question is there's this appearance of conflict of interest. And maybe this corporate launch may address that in part, but it doesn't address the apparent bias in favor of the CCP at a minimum. I think we have to conclude that Anthony Fauci was much more focused on the interests of Anthony Fauci and, by the way, NIH, than he was on the interests of the American public in general and the administrations that he was serving. Indeed. And I do think there's so much to unpack. And I was actually hoping Dr. Malone, as much as it bothered me that he got this pardon, that at the very least, having the pardon would actually open up the floodgates of transparency and information. And we could actually reconstruct exactly what happened, why it happened, and how we could learn from this, you know, almost like a scientific enterprise. Larry, you're such a starry-eyed idealist. Oh, I know. I don't understand it. You've been in D.C. for so long, and yet you still would persist in such a fantasy. You know, my heart is still in the Midwest and the heartland of this country, Dr. Malone. And I want to think the best of these things. Dr. Belode, Dr. Robert Belode is our guest. And I'll take that. I need you to tell me I'm cute more often, actually. Listen, I've only got two minutes left, but I would love for you to sort of wrap this conversation up and we'll have plenty more. to tell me what you think should happen next. Where do we go from here? Good question. Complicated. I have another book that's focusing on this. called the Gryft. And one of the key punchlines is that I believe that we should establish a federal policy that is akin to term limits for these extremely powerful bureaucratic leaders. Allowing Anthony Fauci 40 years in office. allowed him to build this empire, you know, characterized notably recently by these four full-time employees that were busy dedicated to seeking awards for him and speaking opportunities. I mean, that's just one. I once did account by looking at the NIH phone book of FTE and his office dedicated to managing the press. And it was about 40. So he had a press office of about 40 full-time employees in contrast to the relations dedicated for the Hill, which is about 12 full-time employees. So term limits. In the near term, I spoke to Senator Rand's lead aid in this.

And as you know now, they do intend to take this to a vote or contempt to Congress next week. And she indicated that their hope for strategy is that the president of the Senate, otherwise known as JD Vance, would agree to go ahead and submit this directly to Department of Justice. That's great news. And thank you for breaking it for us. We got to leave, Dr. Malone, sadly. Malone. News is the substack, Anthony Fauci's favorite. And I know you're traveling today. You carved out time for us, and we really appreciate it dearly, our friend, Dr. Robert Malone. Thank you, sir. Bye-bye. Whether you're preparing for exams, juggling family and career, or just looking to stay sharp as you age, aren't we all? Think Factor is here to help. It's created by the same company that makes Relief Factor. Think Factor supports sharper focus, stronger recall, clearer thinking, and it's a natural way to give your brain the daily nutrients it needs for memory, attention, and even vibrant vision. Get Think Factor at ReliefFactor.com or 804 ReliefRleafactor.com. Let me continue telling you about how great Think Factor is. I take Think Factor every single morning before I start the program. It's absolutely the best and it's helped me with my recall. And clearer thinking, despite moments ago where I thought we were out of time. It definitely helps me. If you need stronger memory, better attention, by the way, on those days, we're in the afternoon. Things get a little foggy. I strongly recommend you stay focused during your demanding tasks by taking Think Factor. You will maintain mental energy for whatever's ahead. And your first bottle, just $19.95 for your first bottle to just try it out. And I felt a difference after just two weeks of Think Factor, so you will too. Go to ReliefFactor.com, Relieffactor.com, or 800, the number four relief, Think Factor, Think Clearer, perform better daily. Did you know there's an investment account that's been around since 1888, and most people have never heard about it until recently? It's not stocks, it's not crypto. It's a trust that was created over a century ago, and it's been averaging 29% returns for the past 25 years. To put that into perspective, it beat Apple, it beat Amazon, it beat Microsoft over that same period. BlackRock has over $2 billion sparked here. JP Morgan, Bank of America, some of the... biggest banks in the world have been quietly using this for decades, and they've never mentioned it to regular people. There are no commercials, no billboards, nothing, and literally anyone can start. You just need a few hundred dollars. There's a free video that explains exactly what it is and how to access it, and it's 100% worth your time. Go to My Account29.com to check it out. That's My Account 29.com.

Before it leaves my mind, you just heard Dr. Robert Maloney. What a great guy, Heather Hunter, our executive producer, truly the best in the business. Great to start our day with him. I think he's traveling internationally, actually, and he put his day on pause for us. He mentioned the fact that Anthony Fauci was enriching himself with speaking engagements and cash awards that you can submit yourself for public service. He had his professional full-time staff that you pay for in a beautiful office in Bethesda, Maryland at the NIH. They were spending all of their time booking him for these very lucrative speaking engagements and for these cash prize awards to the tune of over a million dollars. Josh Hawley, Senator from Missouri, raised that yesterday, hoping to get answers from Anthony Fauci. Of course, we know how that went. But here's a little bit of Senator Holly. Before it leaves my mind, I wanted to make sure you saw what reinforced what Dr. Malone just said. Go ahead. Let's just get one thing straight. You don't have any rights under the Fifth Amendment because you've been pardoned, as you very well know, as the Supreme Court has been clear for a century and more. Brown v. Walker, 1896. When he has been pardoned, he may not stand upon his privilege. You know that. Your lawyer is sitting behind you now shifting nervously in their chairs. They know it. This isn't about the Constitution. This isn't about the law. This is about contempt. Contempt for this body and contempt for the American people. But I think I know why you're doing it. It's because you don't want to answer questions. It's because you did all kinds of terrible things. It's because during the pandemic, you got rich, didn't you? You got rich while people were dying, hundreds of thousands of Americans, over a million in the end, and you were getting rich, and not only were you doing that, you were using federal employees with taxpayer money to apply for and solicit cash. Prizes for you personally. Cash prizes totaling over a million dollars. You did all of that during the pandemic, didn't you? That's a question. On the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. Part of me, despite how angry I am, that Anthony Fauci shows such contempt for us, for you and me. That's really where the contempt is. directed. Also, the other part of me is actually gratified that he is humiliated like this, incapable because of his own legal box that he's put himself in to defend himself from such charges, incapable of saying anything and responding. He just has to sit there. with a stone look on his face and repeat the same humiliating phrase, a hundred and twenty one times. Part of me actually relishes the fact that this could very well be his very last public appearance.

Part of me finds that somewhat satisfying. All right, more on this topic and your phone calls in 60 seconds, but I want to take a quick pause to remind you that this is the next to the last day of my Food for the Poor campaign where you can donate at Larry O'show.com. Click on the Give Food Banner to make a generous gift in any amount. The thing I really love about Food for the Poor is that they not only do awesome work in 17 countries, but... They live out the wise adage that you bless a man by not just giving a person a fish, but also teaching them how to fish. That's right. That makes donations like yours part of a sustainable lifelong blessing. Listen to what now happens in this remote village. The villages bring in usually 2 to 300 pounds of fish on a normal day. And the fish gets spread around. What is happening is that the people are eating for the first time. Good protein. learning how to help themselves trading women are selling the fish and the children are going to school it's a tremendous blessing It's a blessing that you can make that possible because it's your donation that's key. All you have to do is go to Larry O's Show.com, click on that Give Food banner. Your donation of just $80 feeds two starving children, nutritious meals twice a day for an entire year. Teach him End of Fish right now by going to Larry O'Sho.com and click on that banner. Thank you. All right. Let's get things started with Roy in Dallas, Texas. That'd be Big D. Roy in Dallas, thanks for listening to O'Connor and Company. What would you like to happen next for Anthony Fauci? Well, good morning. Thank you for taking my call. I'm glad you listened to me the other day in getting Dr. Malone on. And I think Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Ryan Cole should be the other two. In regard to Dr. Anthony Fauci's appearance and his not making any testimony to what was being asked of him, The man actually spat on your Hippocratic code that all doctors and medical professionals take. He ignored it, and the damage he has done to the medical profession and people who rely on doctors in medical science to take care of them and their loved ones and their illnesses. This is absolutely... Pathetic of this man absolutely without a doubt and also my understanding is if you say something and you give advice there is ramifications called vicarious liability he should be held to the highest degree on that and i hope that continue to subpoena it the hell i'm yeah cripple cripple and bankrupt him legally would be a great great thing and if the states could step up and begin the civil lawsuits if not criminal lawsuits as well i think it's worth it at the very least to have him continue to fight and i mentioned yesterday roy in dallas thank you for the call and the malone suggestion i'd forgotten uh also by the way make him defend that pardon all the way up to the supreme court

He got very rich on our dime. Let's not let him spend it on his pool site in Bethesda. Let's have him spend that money on corrupt lawyers. I guess that doesn't make things better either, but it is oddly satisfying. More of your phone calls and more from yesterday's hearing up next. Things are buzzing here in Washington, D.C. This is why the Senate shouldn't go on recess, by the way. We'll get to that a little later in the show. John Thune spoke out about the Save Act and voter ID. So did Trump. They're going back and forth up and down Pennsylvania Avenue. We'll give you an update on that. But the Senate shouldn't go on recess when we can have hearings like we had yesterday that are clarifying. These are clarifying moments, I think, for the American people. One side of that panel, the Democrats were fully in favor. of stopping the conversation, not asking any questions, not challenging the people who upended and ruined your lives during the COVID-19 pandemic and want to walk away, not just without any accountability or repercussions, they want to walk away rich based on money they made during your misery. Yeah, their businesses were thriving. And by the way, Anthony Fauci was our employee. We paid his salary. What is he doing getting rich on our dime? I think that demands an answer, but not if you're Anthony Fauci and not if you're the Democrats who circled the wagons around him yesterday and they want to keep you in the dark. They want to protect their own. They're good at it. I got to hand it to him. Wish my side were that good and that disciplined and that, I don't know, mafia like. But if you're ticked about it, I sure hope you take it out on whatever Democrat is running in your state or in your district. I'm sorry. Gone are the days where he can say, yeah, yeah, you know, but my congressman's okay. He's not one of them. No. Unless he's speaking out and condemning what happened yesterday, unless she is demanding the same answers that you're demanding, your congressman, your senator is, in fact, one of them. Even if you got a flag flown at the Capitol, I promise you, every congressman will do that for you. It's right there on their website. That doesn't make them deserving of your vote. Now's the time to actually do something with your vote and send a message to the party that wanted answers, demanded answers, demanded accountability for what happened to you. And I would... Dare say, unless you had the loss of a child or a loved one in the war on terror or some other military conflict, I would dare say that short of that, what the government did to you during COVID-19 is the most impactful and devastating destruction that you have had to suffer at the hands of the government in your entire lifetime, short of losing a loved one in war. this was it and if that doesn't demand answers and accountability i'm at a loss what's the point

of a constitutional republic what's the point of representatives acting on our behalf well yesterday you saw republicans acting on your behalf and you saw democrats acting on behalf of of the permanent political class of the blob of the deep state of the bureaucracy of the status quo of the we've got the power and we will make your lives miserable if we choose to do so and we will not answer any questions when challenged that's what they stood for yesterday and that's what this election should be about this november To bring you up to speed, here is the moment of truth. You heard it live on this program as we checked in at the Senate hearing. Here was Anthony Fauci at the tail end of his gratuitous self-aggrandizing statement about his august political career. He ended it with this. Given Senator Paul's obvious obsession with calling for my prosecution, his repeated slanderous comments about me, and recently his publicly releasing my unredacted personal diary aimed at embarrassing and intimidating me. The only conclusion I can reach is that the sole reason he is calling me before this committee is to get me to say something. Anything that could vindicate his repeated public pledges that I end up in his words, quote, behind bars, unquote. Any reasonable person who has followed his unkinged obsession with me would readily come to the same conclusion. Therefore, although it pains me to do so, Because of the respect I have for the legislative branch of government and my decades-long record of cooperating with Congress, under the advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution to refrain from answering your questions. Thank you. There are very few legal experts and analysts that I spoke with off the record and for background purposes so that I could educate myself, or let alone those I've seen on cable news or broadcast news commenting on this extraordinary moment over the last 24 hours, who say that he even had the option to plead the fifth, considering his pardon and considering all of the other factors involved with the statement that he delivered. At the end of the hearing, Senator Paul, the chairman, said that they have a couple of options in front of them, one of which was to vote to hold him in contempt of Congress. I would actually extend that. I've had some lawyers suggest that he could be held for obstruction of justice by refusing to participate in this, given the pardon that he has. It's why people get pardon sometimes so that they would cooperate. It's not exactly the same as immunity, but it's tantamount to it. There are a lot of options ahead. What would you like to see? That's the question on the table 8557844-4255. Phil in Fredericksburg, listening on WMAL here in the greater Washington area. Phil, what do you make of what happened yesterday and what should happen next? All right, so we know that Anthony Fauci has the pardon. So either he has a partner or he doesn't. He has the pardon, so he has to answer the question. So he is in contempt the court.

I want them to file a beautifully written, based on perfect legal theory, contempt of court charge against him. I want it to look so beautifully written that even the communist on MSN and NBC go, wow, I can't find anything in this charging document that I can argue with. It looks like Anthony Fauci really messed himself over. But on top of that, we have to go after what Anthony Fauci did by going around everything that he affected. So we have to go to all the drug companies, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, and Pfizer. We have to call in their CEOs, call in all of their communications that they had. Who gave them the DNA to make the vaccine that killed so many people? Who gave them the information that what were the instructions with that vaccine when it was given to them? The most egregious part of this entire thing was we had ivermectin. We had other treatments. They completely destroyed the medical profession by hand-tying all of these doctors. You had cures that could save millions of people's lives. And they were only interested in promoting the vaccine. And you said it. It's for money. It was for money. They killed millions of people worldwide for money. And I want to say one thing, too. I remember a certain week. where it was in Italy, I believe, and in France, where every emergency room was filled with people, and they were... Yeah, Northern Italy, Milan. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God, it was horrific. It was horrific, and we had the same thing here. And one last thing, I took the Johnson and Johnson shot. It damn near killed me. My wife took two Pfizer shots, the second Pfizer shot, filled her with blood clots, and that did kill her. So I have a horse in this hunt, and... I praise God Jesus for saving my life after my wife died because those were dark times. And I am speaking for every person who lost a loved one because of this human piece of trash. And we need to get this God. God bless you, Phil. You have every right to feel the anger that we just heard. And you speak for a lot of people. Bless you. And I'm so sorry about that. I'm so sorry for you. And everyone, please keep Phil in your prayers and his wife.

Yeah, you know, and to that end, if I can just tag on, there's not a lot I can say on Phil's behalf there, but he did trigger something that I think needs to be discussed, and that has to do with the medical community and the scientific community. We hear about these communities all the time, right? Scientific community, the scientific consensus, the medical consensus, the medical community, you know, they're supposed to hold each other accountable. If you talk to a doctor one-on-one, they will recognize the damage that this man and his agency did for the scientific community and for the medical community, the public health community. I only remember a couple of doctors who were willing to come on my program at the time because they already had status and tenure. One of them was Marty Makary. who studied virus and public health policies at Johns Hopkins University, he would come on on a regular basis saying, I care about the public health of this nation and a public health policy, public health institutions, and this man is destroying our credibility. Where is the medical community? Where is the scientific community? Who knew better? Who knew better when they started sliming Ivermectin? When they recognize that instead of actually searching for treatments for people who got... COVID-19. They were singularly focused on finding some vaccine for it, which usually takes years, if not decades. to test and approve. Why disregard any actual treatment for the people who are actually contracting the virus? That was just, you know, an afterthought. Doctors knew better. Doctors knew better that there were options for a virus like this that were then trashed and diminished and mocked and ridiculed in the public sphere by people like Anthony Fauci. Why didn't doctors and scientists? stand up and hold him accountable because if you don't hold your own community accountable then you're part of the problem and that's been one of the worst things amongst many horrible things that came out of this episode and the medical community still hasn't fixed that problem where are they today 855784-4255. More from yesterday's hearing. More of your reaction on O'Connor and Company. Part of my job here is to monitor and evaluate what corporate mainstream media is doing. So you don't have to. A lot of that means boiled down to, you know, watching CNN MS now and the networks and things like that. And then we find clips and play them for you so you can see how to touch they are. But oftentimes it's print journalism, stuff that you don't see. But they're very influential print journalists who end up being read by, you know, the hosts on CNN and what have you. And it informs their worldview. So here's the morning article from Politico.

COVID rage had subsided. Then Congress called Anthony Fauci to testify. Lawmakers anger boiled as they questioned the former COVID czar. This is some really Pulitzer Prize winning analysis by Carmen Pound, Simon Levian, and Robert King. Listen to the lead paragraph here. Besides the illness and death. The disruption and the loneliness. Americans remember the pandemic for its vitriol. Set aside the illness, death, disruption, and loneliness. When Americans look back there, no, we were full of vitriol because of the illness and death and disruption and loneliness and because nobody was coming forward with a straight answer to our questions as to why they were doing this to us. That's the lead sentence from Politico today. The handling of COVID divided the parties, the states, families, and neighbors, and has taken years in many cases to repair the damage. No, no one has tried to repair the damage. That's what they don't get. COVID rage had not subsided. You just won't listen to us. You won't act. You won't do anything. You won't respond. And yesterday was the perfect example of Anthony Fauci arrogantly and smugly. Even after getting a decade-long pardon, still refusing to answer for his actions. No, Politico and Jake Tapper and Dana Bash and George Stephanopoulos and Joe Scarborough and everyone else who looks down on us and tries to lecture us from their air-conditioned studio and their teleprompters. No, COVID rage never subsided.

And we have that rage because of the death, because of the illness, because of the disruption, because of the loneliness, because of the effect it had on our children and our loved ones and our parents. And it won't subside. It's a funny thing about rage. It needs to be addressed. That's what one political party tried to do yesterday on your behalf. And some of them really stepped up. Here's Bernie Moreno, freshman senator from Ohio who continues to impress. He enlightened everyone about Anthony Fauci's attorneys who ran Paul had to excuse from the chamber. Listen. Well, let me tell you who David Shirtler is for the audience because he was ejected by the chairman. He's a high-profile criminal attorney. He's represented some really great people, like Senator Bob Menendez. Maybe that's somebody who my Democrat colleagues may remember took gold bars as bribes from the Egyptians. And there's an article here in the Washington Free Beacon that talks about why you would hire Guy Leith River Shirtler. And the comment is, if you're in deep, that's who you call. Do you feel like you're in deep shit? On the advice of counsel, I respect you know how he answered. Yeah, so he lawyers up. And who does he lawyer up with? Bob Menendez's lawyers, the ones who defend corrupt public officials. Ashley Moody, Senator from Florida, she used to be the Attorney General. She had a good question. I think a lot of us have been asking. Why did that pardon go all the way back to 2014? What the heck was that all about? Well, take a listen. I'm just very interested why it was this date. Did it have anything to do with the fact that 2014 was also the year that the NIAID or NIH began funding eco-health alliances understanding the risk of bat coronavirus emergence grant? On the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. And this is the same grant that funded the work on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute on virology. Millions of Americans are questioning what happened during COVID, why we were given misleading information, misleading advice, why you gave conflicting statements based on, I guess, how you were feeling that day. All right, Lynn in Illinois, Dakota, in Portland, Oregon, Allen in South Pennsylvania, we're going to get to you next. Anthony Fauci doesn't want to hear from you. He holds you in contempt. We want to hear from you. You make this country what it is, and you make this show sing on days like this. So your calls at 855-784-4255 will be next up. I also want to let you know that... There are a lot of ways that you can solve your health problems. And one way is through supplements. I'm big on supplements. Meredith keeps me in tip top shape when we got married. She said, I expect 50 years out of you, sir. And I said, let's make it happen. And so one of the supplements he's evaluated for me is relief factor, relief factor.

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I'm sure he just wrote, the advice of my counsel. I invoke, yeah, yeah. The next, has anybody talked about a class action suit against him? I mean, forget the states. What about the damage you did to us? Only on talk radio. I have not heard. You would think that there are plenty of attorneys out there who specialize in class action suits, and I would think that if they get rich off them. And I would think that would be one ripe for the taking, especially considering the wealth that Anthony Fauci is sitting on. And at the very least, having to use that wealth to hire lawyers to defend himself and defend his actions. And listen, I'm not, it's funny, Alan, I like to start, I start to snowball off of these ideas. And I immediately, you know, I start to think about my Christian faith. And you're not supposed to look for revenge. You know, how do we protect ourselves from just seeking vengeance against this man versus justice? You know what I mean? I'm not looking for vengeance. I just want what was taken from me. And, you know, and nobody did it better. That is justice. And by the way, honestly, I don't think I would have the same level of, of let's get this guy if he had just told the truth. That was the one option that would have kept him out of any legal trouble yesterday is if he just told the truth and answered the questions, but he refused to. And it has stirred in me, and it sounds like from you, Alan, a renewed interest to try to get this guy. frankly, if that's what justice looks like, that's what it needs to look like. Now, Alan, do you think your governor, because your senator, John Fetterman yesterday, actually comported himself pretty well? Do you think Josh Shapiro will step up and actually say something, or is he circling the wagons and protecting the status quo, like your former health director there in Pennsylvania, Richard Rachel Levine? Well, you know, nobody could model like Dr. Rachel. But I'm really, I don't have a whole lot of faith in the governor. But it is kind of funny when we were all looking at John Fetterman thinking, oh, my God, what are we getting as a representative? And now he's just, we're also proud of them for just being, just being normal. Yeah, you've got, exactly. For Democrats right now, the best you can pray for and hope for is normal. And the guy who had literal brain damage during the campaign. And I was with you. I was worried about what you got. You ended up getting more normal. You've got a couple of good senators right now from Pennsylvania. It appears. So well done you. Speaking of John Fetterman, here's a moment yesterday, clip 15 for those of you who missed it. Here's John Fetterman in a suit and tie. Thank you very much. And Anthony Fauci.

But one that I, it's not about much more your regrets, but I have one. And that is early on that there was the theory that the virus could have emerged from the lab. And early on that became like a right wing. kinds of theory and I thought it seemed to make sense now there was a really advanced lab that was close by and then you have this unknown virus out so but that became a very partisan thing and now it seems now it's more and more emerging theory that that would have come from from the lab now you know I hope I think that the next time our nations facing something like this, we are not become, you know, as I might have been, blinded by the partisan idea that maybe the truth might come from a side that's different than you are. But I think we should really be willing to pursue truth, no matter where that may have emerged. Oh, keep thinking for yourself, Senator John Fetterman. Keep asking those questions. Keep recognizing that what you're told is a right-wing conspiracy theory actually makes a little sense. I know there's a lot of talk here about John Fetterman jumping and becoming a Republican. There's been a lot of think pieces about it. Here's the thing about John Fetterman. He knows for a fact that if he runs for re-election in Pennsylvania as a Democrat, they will destroy him in the primary because you're not allowed to think for yourself in that party. So keep asking those questions, John Fetterman. Once you start challenging the premise that life doesn't begin at conception, your mind is going to be open to a whole world of possibilities and great ideas. Just challenge that premise. Just explore the idea. of what life is and whether it begins at conception. And you figure that out, John Fetterman. We will welcome you with open arms to our party. All right, let's get to Lynn in Illinois. Lynn, you're next up listening on 92.9 FM there in Illinois. Thanks for Colin O'Connor and Company. Well, thank you for taking my call. My concern about the whole Anthony Fauci thing is given his involvement with the World Health Organization, the disruption in global supply chains, The fact that the pandemic affected everybody worldwide, why is he not being held accountable worldwide? Well, you wonder, you wonder why maybe foreign countries think that it's more an American problem and they just see him as an influential bureaucrat that influenced our international stance on this as well as our domestic policies, because that's really functionally what he is. But I would hope, I would think that foreign governments as well would want to hold him accountable. The problem is we can't hold him accountable ourselves.

So why should we, you know, wait for the UN or some tribunal of NATO nations to step up when they look at us and they see that we can't even do anything about him? Well, I agree with that, but given the chance to do something, I believe that other world leaders should step in and try to help and say, look, we want the same answers. You don't have immunity here. You don't have a pardon here. The pardon was ineffective anyhow because... He didn't commit another crime by perjuring himself again. Right, right. Well, listen, there's a lot to unpack there, but I don't disagree with that. And, you know, listen, maybe President Trump was sort of inspired. Lynn, thank you for the call. President Trump was asked about this yesterday. He was doing a signing ceremony. Most of what they talked about in the executive office there in the Oval Office. had to do with the Save Act and John Thune, and we're going to get to that a little later in the show. But here he was asked about Anthony Fauci pleading the fifth yesterday. This is cut seven gents, if we can get to it. Here's President Trump. Dr. Anthony Fauci invoked the Fifth Amendment more than 100 times today. Senator Rand Paul said he's going to hold a vote on holding him in contempt of Congress. Do you think Dr. Anthony Fauci should face repercussions for this? Well, I watched the whole thing today, but more importantly, I was a part of the whole Anthony Fauci. I inherited Anthony Fauci. He was here from the 1980s, so I had him for a period of time. And I disagreed with him on a lot. I would have had it closed down the whole country if I listened to him. I went the Federalist way, which is basically let the governors decide. And generally speaking, the Republican governors did very well. The Democrat governors did not very well. But Anthony Fauci wanted to have nobody wearing masks, if you remember, and then everybody had to wear five masks, as many masks as you could get. I mean, made a lot of mistakes. He wasn't a big factor for me. He was a very big factor for Biden. And if you remember, even though we were sort of prime time in terms of that whole disaster of COVID, far people died fewer in the Trump administration than in the Biden administration. We ran it well. Operation Warp Speed was talked about as being one of the great success stories anywhere in the world, actually. And we did a good job. But many more people died under Biden than died in the Trump administration from COVID. COVID was a disaster, but Anthony Fauci did not help. With all due respect to the president, who I like and support on a regular basis, that ain't good enough. No, the president reads the room pretty well, and he reads public opinion pretty well. And it's not good enough to just say, yeah, more people died under Biden and Afachi didn't help, but he didn't have much influence. No, no, no, that's actually the wrong answer, sir. You need to say that I was spitting mad. I was spitting mad at the time because I thought I was getting bad advice and bad direction.

And Anthony Fauci, because of his expertise, and I decided to trust the experts at the time. And I put in charge of my entire COVID response team, Vice President Pence, who I guess now in retrospect we can question where his heart was in all of this. And I decided to trust the team and trust the experts. I didn't know enough about Anthony Fauci to question him. And then he walked me down this path to closing the government, and you can see from his own diaries, you can see from his own emails, and you can see from my public statements at the time that I wanted to end it after 15 days, get back to normal, get the economy going, and he resisted me all the way. He didn't end around me. He went to the media. He went to his pals Jake Tapper, had dinner with them privately, and then had them beat me up on camera because he didn't have the cahones to do it to my face. They were working behind my back and undermining my presidency. And in his diaries, he talks about talking to Ron Clayne, one of Joe Biden's political operatives before the election, telling him how excited he was to work in the Biden administration. No, I am absolutely furious at Anthony Fauci. And I'm going to ask the Justice Department and anyone else in the executive branch of government that I'm in charge of as president, I'm going to ask them to see whatever legal recourse we have. That's what Donald Trump needs to say. And by the way, it has the added benefit of being the truth. It ain't good enough to just sit there and say, well, you know, more people died under Biden than under Trump. This is not a scorecard situation.

And it would go a long way for the president to recognize that there were a lot of mistakes made during his administration, during the first Trump term. I don't blame him for it. I want him to step up and acknowledge it and then help us figure out why those decisions were made and who was giving him such bad advice. You agree? 8557-844-4-2-55 will continue. Next. Why do you ignore other media outlets and corporate legacy media when it comes to... Electronic media, radio, streaming video like you've got here on this radio station, live here from the Relief Factor Studio and on Salem News Channel. Why do you avoid them? Well, because, you know, Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe is, and George Stephanopoulos there, and whoever is hosting Gail King, is she still the host of the CBS Morning Show, they're defending Anthony Fauci right now. They're saying this is a witch hunt. They're saying that he was a saint. He was a public servant. Thank God they have a Fifth Amendment there. Why do you turn to websites for news and analysis like Town Hall or any of the websites in the town hall media universe like Hot Air or Red State or PJ Media or Twitchy, etc? Why do you do that? Well, because of this. This is my, I get my daily email newsletter from the New York Times with all the top stories that matter the most, all the news that's fit to print. The New York Times that drives the news cycle and the rundowns of cable news and broadcast news and frankly other newspapers around the country. They wait to see what the New York Times is focusing on and then that becomes one of the big stories in their rundown. So here's my morning newsletter from the New York Times. The subject line is, and the name of the newsletter, by the way, is the morning. It's always fun to compare what they think the morning news rundown is compared to what we think here on this program. It's called The Morning. And the subject line today for today's newsletter is retribution. Retribution. So I click on it thinking, oh, they're going to focus on the Anthony Fauci hearing yesterday. That's their top story. Retribution. That's one way to put it, I suppose. And you can take that however you'd like. There is definitely a need for retribution there, whether justified or not. So there's the New York Times subject line, retribution. You click on it and imagine my surprise what the actual subject of that article is. Can you guess, can you even venture to guess what the top story of the New York Times morning newsletter is with the headline retribution? I'll read it to you.

This was the top story of the New York Times newsletter on the day where we're talking about the most consequential news of the day yesterday, Anthony Fauci, trying to dodge any accountability or even any level of transparency by pleading the fifth under oath in a Senate hearing about the COVID-19 pandemic. Here's what the New York Times focused on. New details emerged yesterday in the Justice Department's criminal case against James Comey. Trump's former FBI director and longtime nemesis by way of a new court filing by James Comey's lawyers that seek to dismiss the charges against him. These are the charges, of course, of James Comey engineering, that message on the beach with seashells that said 8647. That's the top story of the New York Times. And let me just explain to you because I've been in the media for a long time how this story came about. James Comey's lawyers filed their brief with the court and then emailed it to the reporter at the New York Times and said, hey, we just filed this. And if I were writing an article about it, this is how I would write it. And then the reporter at the New York Times takes the sample article that the lawyer gave them and maybe feeds it into some AI machine or reword seven or eight sentences. And boom, you've got an article. Not just any article. The lead story on the New York Times morning newsletter about the top stories of all the news that's fit to print. Retribution. But in a day like today, when you would think that may have something to do with the pandemic and your suffering at the hands of Anthony Fauci's medical and public health advice, instead it was retribution as it pertains to the Trump Justice Department and James Comey. And that's why you come here for news. And I appreciate it. Let's try. Allison in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, has some good questions she'd like answered about Anthony Fauci. Go ahead, Allison. Thanks for calling. Yes. Yeah, well, thank you for taking the time for my call. And this is the first time I've ever called into a show. And it's very near and dear to me. We, as Randolph, and I've watched the hearings yesterday, you know, they spoke of one million people that died. We are not even mentioning the people who are now permanently sick from long haulers, as you call it, and such and such that are still living with... loss of income, chronic diseases, and I will give myself an example. I was a, I was a practicing registered nurse. I had COVID six times and I was forced to take the vaccination or you couldn't work. Right. So I had problems with, so now I'm dealing with.

Hearing, unexplained hearing loss, neuropathy, asthma as a non-smoker, cognitive decline, vision changes, and I've had surgery on numerous lymph nodes that they ruled out other diseases and said with all the studies, acute viral infections. Allison, what acute viral infections did you have? Well, I had, you know, COVID. They can't say it's COVID, but. That's what I had. What a retribution? What's being done for those of us who have permanent problems now? And then another thing to recognize is, you know, we're looking into... about him, what about the connections he has with other people who gave him money? And it is known that Bill Gates has given him, there is some money. Oh, there's connections with the Bill Gates Foundation and how the policies that the Bill Gates Foundation's promoted ended up becoming public health policy 100%. Allison, you're right. And these... And again, and Allison, we know that we, God bless you, Allison, and I'm sorry for your pain and suffering, and you'll be in our prayers. That's Allison and Myrtle Beach. We can't prosecute him. We know that. But is it really so much to ask for him to just at least answer questions and explain all of the questions that we have? And we've just, we've just scratched the surface. Coming up, in our next hour, we're going to speak with Dr. Robert Redfield. He's the former CDC director. And he'll... delve into this as well. Whether you're climbing the corporate ladder or you're launching a new project or you're just looking for that extra edge, your brain is your most valuable asset. And now there's a way to support it every single day. It's right here on my desk in this beautiful bottle. It's think factor. It's from the makers of relief factor. Think Factor is built to help you stay sharp, nurture your memory, boost your attention. It unlocks the mental clarity and precision you need to stay ahead of the game, no matter the challenge. Imagine having a challenging day like doing a three-hour morning show live on radio and having news and guests and facts at your disposal and interacting with callers. Think Factor helps. Go to ReliefFactor.com, your first bottle, just 1995, or call 804 ReliefRleafactor.com. Sun is rising here in Washington, D.C., your nation's capital, and we are on WMAL, our flagship station in the Relief Vector Studios, and we are so proud and excited to be heard coast to coast now. Finishing up our third month of national syndication, starting to get the hang of it. Thanks for tuning in here on this very busy day as we are reacting to yesterday's stunning moment in the Senate when Anthony Fauci refused to answer any questions.

claiming Fifth Amendment immunity, which many people believe he doesn't have the right to claim. Coming up in 30 minutes, Dr. Robert Redfield, the former CDC director, will be responding to my questions on this. And we're going to continue to hear from you on it at 8.8. Excuse me, 855-784-4255. Also, latest back and forth between John Thune and President Trump yesterday on the Save Act and the Senate recess, all that coming up. But let's bring in, a friend of the program and really a fan favorite, former Deputy National Security Advisor to President Trump, author of Revolution, Trump, Washington, and We the People. She is our regular guest on Thursday mornings. KT. McFarland. Good morning, KT. Good to talk with you. It's great to be with you. I, you've worked in government for many years in one capacity or another, and also you're an American citizen who was severely affected by the policies that stemmed from the pandemic. And also, by the way, this is an international story. It involves China. It involves what appears to be a cover up about the origins of the virus and a country, China, who still continues to come clean and participate and cooperate. with us as we try to discover exactly what happened so it doesn't happen again. I'd love for you to reflect on what happened yesterday because it really was historic, I think. You know, when the Trump transition, I was part of the Trump transition into his first term and then in the West Wing during his first, you know, the first year of the first term. And the whole idea of these gain of function studies that were going on. The Obama administration banned them. And from what I've been able to piece together from what various people have said, is that Anthony Fauci wanted to continue the gain of function research. So gain of function as you take a fairly innocuous... disease, virus, and then you supercharge it, like Frankenstein monster, right? Or you give a superpower, so it's more lethal and it's more contagious. Supposedly you do that because if it ever happens, then you've got the cure at hand. And by the way, they're all making a lot of money on the cure at hand, which they're developing while they're developing the supercharged viruses. So the Obama administration shut it down. And apparently, during either the transition into Trump or the early days of Trump, when we're all trying to figure out what's going on, it was turned back on. It was not turned back on by the National Security Council. I would have known about that. Because can you imagine President Trump, you know, who's a germaphobe anyway and had real doubts about China and about any research money, American money gone anywhere overseas, he would have gone ballistic. if he knew about it. So it was apparently turned back on somehow by somebody during the early days of the Trump administration. And I always wondered about who did it, you know, where's that email hiding, that somebody said, okay, it's all right to resume, gain a function, research. We're just not going to resume it in the United States. We're going to resume it in China. And then whoever had a brilliant idea if we're going to resume it in a bio-weapons lab.

of the Chinese army. Of the Chinese that we pay for. KT., who would have the authority to give the green light there? Well, that's the question. You would think of the severity of it, that it would go pretty high up in the government chain of decisions. But maybe not. Maybe this is something that Anthony Fauci himself did, or people working for Anthony Fauci, or maybe the NIA. I don't know. I'd love to see the investigation into that aspect because you know, you know government, Larry. There's always a paper trail. Right, no government officials ever, no government officials, just by their very nature, government officials don't want to be out on a limb and committing themselves to anything without authorization from somebody. So you know there's a paper trail for it. I'd like to see the paper trail. Who gave permission to turn it back on and to have gain of function research that was happening because it was illegal to you couldn't do it in the United States? But to then do it abroad, and if you're going to do it abroad, why China? Why a Chinese Army bio-weapons lab that you've got one wing of that you're going to devote to doing this research? The other thing that I think was just stunning was I was in China in November of 2019. So right around Thanksgiving before, remember, the virus started really taking off in early 2020. So I'm there in China, I'm with a delegation, Republicans in a very high-level delegation of former government officials and potentially future government officials. And we were meeting with a number of the Chinese and the senior officials. And that was the time when President Trump was negotiating with the Chinese about the trade agreement. And they were really giving them a hard time. And then suddenly, all of a sudden, during that same period, the Chinese cave to every one of Trump's demands. And I have to look back on that period and think, did the Chinese know when I was there in late 2019, did they know they potentially had a problem on their hands? And did they want to settle everything with Trump before that problem occurred? Because it was just in January, you know, just a few months later that COVID really took off and when the United States, you know, closed to China, et cetera. So there's just a lot of unanswered questions. There's always a paper trail. I just would love to see the Freedom of Information Act used to uncover this paper trail because it's a dirty one. Either FOIA or I still think we need to have a 9-11 style sort of joint committee whose sole task is to answer all of these unanswered questions. I don't know why we wouldn't do something like that, considering how devastating and impactful this was, and it was a government. I mean... It looks like the virus was a man-made virus. It looks like the origins of it were covered up and we were lied to. It looks like our government made a huge number of decisions based on faulty, if not false and misinformation to cover the trail of this man-made virus and look at the devastating impact. I don't understand why there hasn't been an interest to get all of those questions that you just posed answered in addition to more questions answered. To me, it's a lost generation. kids who were in school, tried the early stages of school or high school or college, all the important, they lost two or three years, especially the Blue State kids. I mean, they were, it's just a crime against humanity. And maybe Anthony Fauci has been pardoned and he's too old, but I just sure hope he has to answer for the things that he did, either in this world or, frankly, in the next.

You're not alone, KT. We've been taking calls on morning long and yesterday, most of the morning, up until him taking the fifth. And they would like him to answer a few questions, too. KT., let's shift our focus to Iran and find out what the latest is there, especially after the meeting that the president had with Benjamin Netanyahu here in Washington, and what's supposed to be a meeting between U.K. and U.S. over the Strait of Hormuz, although I don't know where that stands right now. still some discussion openly about Oman and Iran trying to figure out how they control or what portion of the straight they control. Where do things stand right now? And by the way, Iran trying a sneak attack on another one of our bases. I feel like there's something that's imminent here that's about to break. Well, we, you know, last night, President Trump responded. And as he said, you know, it's our turn now. They hit us. We hit them. But if you try to take a step back from the, you know, the immediate what happened today was going to happen tomorrow. and look at the bigger picture of it, what has happened? All right, every time oil gets about $100 a barrel, we somehow get a ceasefire. One way or another, we get a ceasefire. And that's great because it brings the price of oil right back down to about $80 a barrel. The stock market rallies. It's great. And then slowly but surely Iran or something goes wrong, and there's another attack, and then we're back on the fighting thing, and then the oil goes back to 100. And then there's another ceasefire, and then it goes back to 80. So wash and each repeat. So over time, what's happening? Well, over time, the United States has now become the world's largest crude oil exporter. Our crude oil exports have gone up 30% since this back and forth with Iran has begun. We're now the world's largest oil, crude, and refined oil exporter, and liquefied natural gas because a lot of countries and companies are getting their oil from America now. They're deciding the Middle East, the entire Middle East, is just too risky. Secondly, what's happened is that a number of countries, which had pipelines, instead of going through the Strait of Hormuz, they always had pipelines, but they never really put a lot of oomph into them. Those pipelines have been jazzed up, and new pipelines are being built to totally avoid Strait of Hormuz, not just for Iran, but for every country in the region whose oil exports are affected by Iranian blackmail. And then if you look at the economic part of it, ceasefire, no ceasefire. The blockade has continued. The blockade, meaning no oil is getting out of Iran, no ships at any sort, in or out of Iran, no oil from Iran is getting out. Maybe Iran has some overland routes where it's trading, but by and large, you know, it's now an Anaconda strategy around the Iranian economy. And we know that their inflation is troubled, tripled, they're in terrible dire economic shape. Meanwhile, I think we're okay. You know, if time goes on, I'm looking at the best possible outcome is like a slow rolling coup where the IRGC loses power, loses authority, loses credibility because they're losing this war economically, as well as militarily, and then maybe wiser heads in Iran prevail that people that were negotiating with. These are not good guys. None of them are good guys. But if you could get rid of the crazy guys, that would be a much better Iran that we could deal with.

So the blockade remains, and if they strike us, we strike them. Is the straight open for all intents of purposes? Because it doesn't seem like it's getting the traffic that it would have. It seems like the shipping concerns are still hesitant. For sure. For sure, it's not getting as much. But there are three trade routes through the straight. The top one, the northern one is the Iranian one. There's a middle one, which is not as good. And then there's the Omani Coast one, which is where we are escorting ships through. They're turning off their transponders, so there's no real record. of them going through. But the other thing that I think is that nobody's paying a lot of attention to is the realignment of the Middle East. The Saudis are not fighting with America. Right, and the Saudis engaging in one of the military strikes. KT, we're up against it. But thank you. You give us a lot today. I appreciate it as always. Thank you. Staying pretty far ahead with the New York Times on the breaking news cycle, that's for sure. As their daily newsletter called The Morning, which is supposed to start your day with all the news that's fit to print of the most important news. Right there, delivered in your inbox, I get it so you don't have to. Top story, the subject line, Retribution. And the story is about James Comey's defense team filing a response to the Justice Department on the Seashell 8647 story. That's the top story. That's the number one lead top story for the New York Times in their morning newsletter. Yeah, we're definitely staying ahead of the daily headlines in the news cycle here on this program. Coming up, in fact, hopefully we'll add to that by speaking with Dr. Robert Redfield. He was the director of the CDC. from 2018 to 2021 during the time of Anthony Fauci's reign of terror. We'll talk to him coming up in our next segment. I do want to get as many of your voices in here as we have in the last couple of days as our news instincts suggest that this is one of those stories that you're thinking about and that you want to talk about. That's what makes talk radio the original social media, the best media platform. on the planet and we're so thrilled also that we can transcend just talk radio and include this format on salem news channel uh for those watching our morning program for three hours every day you know try picking up the phone and telling joe scarborough or george stephenopolis or gail king on those network morning shows uh what your opinion is especially if you disagree that ain't going to happen but it happens here at 855 784 4255 let's go to sherry in north carolina Sherry, thanks so much for being part of our show. What's on your mind with Anthony Fauci? Thank you so much, Larry, for opening the topic up. I'm going to try to make this as fast as I can slow me down because I know you're limited on time. Now you've got a couple minutes. Go ahead. Okay. Something went under the radar for everybody out there who's... had a loved one who passed away in a hospital labeled as COVID. Yeah. Some of them, I'm sorry, Larry, you're going to have to really steal your loins on this one. Some of them ever had COVID. They were labeled as COVID. We all know that, and they were treated as COVID. Okay? This is not breaking news. No, I remember these stories. I do. Okay.

So, Ron Johnson is preparing to have an event. His goal right now is to have it in September. I do not know if that is going to happen as he hopes it will. However, he is actively searching for people to tell the story of their loved one in the hospital, whether they lived or passed. So it might be your story and might be your loved one story. There's a certain way that it has to be put in, though, because Ron Johnson's staff is just overwhelmed by the millions of documents that the HHS gave him related to the vaccine debacle. Yep, we've had him on the show a couple of times to talk about it. And he's a hero on this issue. Yes, he is. And he mentioned this in the hearing yesterday. You can go back and look if your listeners want to go back and listen. He mentioned this in his remarks yesterday. You can go to his Rumble channel, and his remarks are right there. It's about 18 minutes long. And he mentioned that he was going to be having this. gathering because he's not going to have a full hearing. He's going to do kind of a roundtable event. Right. And this is specific to people. It's specific to hospital protocols during the COVID era where people got caught up in those protocols and there were severely damaged because of it. Is that what you're saying? Yes, because those protocols. Now, the reason this is related to Anthony Fauci is because he had a handpick committee of at least men, might have been men and women, who figured out what the protocol should be. And then they were considered the standard of care, which the Centers for Medicaid and Medicare services mandated had to be followed. And because they had to be followed, all these doctors that you or the... citizens feel turned their back on their patients were being bullied by administrators who were afraid of crossing centers for Medicaid and Medicare services because that would cause them to lose their contracts. They wouldn't get paid. Yeah, that's right, because the patients aren't actually the customers in that scenario. It's whatever bureaucrat is there in what now the agency Dr. Oz heads up that actually pays the hospitals and the doctors for their services, not the actual patient or their family. Right. And centers for Medicaid and Medicare services, when they set these standards, your Blue Cross and Blue Shield and your Humana or whoever you deal with, they have to follow the same standards. You can't change the standard because this guy's sparty. Sherry, sadly, it's a longer cut. We made the most of it, but you were right. We are up against it now. But thank you for bringing that up. And that is, let's try to get Senator Ron Johnson on the show and we'll expand on it even further. You know, life moves fast and staying sharp, focused, and clear-headed, isn't always easy. Tell me about it. That's why the same company that brings your belief factor has developed something new. It's called Think Factor. And do I tell you to use Think Factor? You better believe I use Think Factor. I keep it right here on my desk. I take it right before every program.

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that he can admit that he made a mistake. It's very disappointing. I think the thing that really hurt even more to me was reading his diary, you know, that he had this over a thousand-page diary that Rand Paul released the other day. Yeah. And it was a really... sad insight into how his mind was working at the time. He seemed to be enormously preoccupied with his fame and recognition and less preoccupied with some of the key issues. And he also seemed to be directly in his diary that he's writing to himself. contradict what he was saying to the public. Well, not only the public, but I suspect Dr. Redfield, we're speaking Dr. Robert Redfield, who is the CDC director during this time in question, I suspect some of the things that he wrote to himself in his diary may have run contrary to the advice you were getting as part of the COVID response team and the president was getting. I'd love for you to eliminate that a little bit. When you read these personal... notes from Anthony Fauci to himself about the pandemic and what was going on at the time. Did you see things that ran contrary to the expert advice that Anthony Fauci was giving you in real time? Oh, yeah. There's no question about it. I mean, Tony was aggressive. And we argued about this in January 2020. I wanted a transparent public debate about the two major hypotheses for the origin of COVID. One was his position. that it came from the wet market, which is not true. It didn't come from the wet market. And one was the position that I'd taken, that it came from science in the laboratory in Wuhan, which is the correct position. But I wanted to have us argue that out in public, and let's have an honest scientific debate. That's what science does. We debate it. Instead, what he did was got Jeremy Farrin involved, and they called a number of selected scientists, and they had a... private phone call February 1st, and basically began a series of a couple days where they decided there was only one narrative that the scientific community would get behind, and that was that it came from the wet market, which was a false route from the beginning. And it was largely done to shift the blame away from the science lab, because if the world realized the greatest pandemic in 100 years was not caused by nature. It was caused by science. It was manmade. It was manmade for tinkering with this virus. And then whether accidentally or deliberately leaked from the Wuhan lab, it got out. And now we were dealing with it. Why did Anthony Fauci not want that obvious reality to be public? Well, I think he had some culpability there. I mean, he helped fund the research. He helped. You know, the research that led to it for North Carolina, Ralph Berwick's research that led to the techniques needed to do a lot of this. That was also NIH-funded. Tony was a champion of gain-of-function research, and I was the poster boy for not doing gain-of-function research.

And if I can jump in, because we were just discussing this, the Obama administration ended gain of function research. Do you know who gave the green light and permitted gain of function research to begin again under the Trump administration? Unfortunately, yeah, there was a request that went into the White House that I don't remember who was in charge of the science technology group at the time. But him and Susan Collins put in a request for them to be able to exempt certain. you know research that they thought was in the national interest and I think it slipped through a lot of attention my friend Joe Rogan was ahead of domestic policy at the time I talked to Joe about it I said Joe how did you let this thing get through and he said you know I don't think it came to my desk So they slipped it through, probably through some relationships they had. I think it came to White House Science and Technology, and they set up this orchestrated way to approve different research through a special committee, which in fact the Wuhan studies never went through.

And unfortunately, you know, that happened in the first year of the Trump administration. And they gave themselves Tony and Susan Collins permission to approve it. And then, of course, what he did with the Institute of Medicine is the Institute of Medicine then changed the definition of gain of function research, which said that if you start with a pathogen that's non-pathogenic for humans like COVID. and make it pathogenic for humans. By definition, that's not gain a function. You have to start with a pathogen. It's already pathogenic for humans. He was already, right. And he tried to use that to excuse his misinformation he gave to Senator Paul under oath the first time he was questioned about it. That's right. That's right. And I told the Senator, just to, you know, to recognize Anthony Fauci always says according to the definition of the National Academy of Science, okay? So that's what he's going. Which he had them change. Dr. Robert Redfield's our guest. He was the CDC director. There's so many questions. Had we gotten a clear and accurate answer on the origin of this virus at the time you were pressing for the Wuhan Lab theory there in February, how would our public health response been altered? How would it have been different? At least of which I would think if the truth came out, Anthony Fauci would not have had a seat at the table. crafting that policy, for one, because he would have had his fingerprints on this. But what else would we have done different in your mind if we had known that this wasn't a wet market phenomenon? I said this in Martha McCown way back in 2020, why I thought this was important, because once we knew this was a man-made engineer virus, this virus was engineered to replicate effectively in humans. All right and transmit among humans. One thing about coronaviruses is when we had a coronavirus in the past, SARS, for example, in MERS, when they went into humans from a bat to an intermediate host to humans, they never learned how to efficiently transmit human to human. So today we have less than 10,000 cases of SARS that came naturally. And then same with MERS when it went from a camel, from a bat to a camel to humans. They still less than 10,000 cases over 10, 15 years later. It never learned how to efficiently go human to human. This virus immediately. was one of the most efficient transmitters in the world. Yes. And that's why I knew as a clinical virologist, that wasn't natural. That's not natural, yeah. It had to be engineered. And when you do any work, you know, you look back in the literature, you find out in 2014, this scientist in the Wuhan lab published a paper where she had taught. coronavirus is how to use the H2 receptor in humanized mice and infect human tissue.

And by the way, if I could just jump in, because Anthony Fauci talks about this in this diary, and again, it runs contrary to his public utterances at the time, and it had to do with asymptomatic transmission. Is that what you're referring to? How you didn't have to have symptoms, and again, that would have certainly changed our public health policy at the time. Two things. Two things there. The first is the human-human transmission was really important, and the fact that it was engineered meant that this virus was going to evolve. As it replates in humans, it changes, it changes, it changes. So we were in a race. Variants were coming, all right? This is not going to be a stable virus. It's going to change, change, change, change, change, which really threatened the whole concept of developing some vaccine and having some lasting immunity. The second thing you said is asymptomatic transmission. You know, we made our original decision on public health policy based on the Chinese telling us there was no asymptomatic disease. And when I did the first 14 cases in America, in January and February of 2020, we worked up over 800 contacts of those patients. And believe it or not, we only found two people that were infected. So we also concluded maybe the Chinese were right. You know, this virus doesn't seem to be going human to human very well. Well, how did we work up those people? What we did was we called them all and looked at them and asked them if they were sick. If they weren't sick, we didn't do anything. If they were sick, we tested him for the COVID virus. Had we tested everybody of those 800, I'm sure we would have found many of them were infected. Of course. The Japanese, the following weeks, had the Diamond Princess, and they asked us to help, unlike the Chinese. And so we came in to help, and when we got on that ship, I told my team, I said, listen, we don't know a lot about this virus. Let's just test everybody on the ship. Okay? Everybody. Yes, I remember. Whether they're sick or not, everybody. And what I found in a day or two was over half the people on the ship were infected, and most of them had no symptoms. No symptoms. And that, again, obviously our public health policy would have been severely altered. And that moved is right that we had to test. We had to develop testing. We didn't have it. We needed tests. We needed to assume, you know, that anybody could be infected. And that's how the mask policy went back and forth. Because, you know, before it was if you were sick, wear a mask to protect yourself from infecting other people, not to protect you, but to protect other people. Once we learned that we didn't know who was infected. Then the idea... Everybody could be a carrier. Everyone could be a carrier. The idea was to wear a mask, not to protect yourself, but to protect you from infecting somebody else.

Dr. Redfield, I know we just booked you for this segment, but this is, I'm going to ask you, I know you're in demand. Can you hold through our break here and stay with me for one more segment because I've got more questions? All right. Oh, excellent. All right. We're going to continue with Dr. Robert Redfield here. We'll have to hold the Save Act for another day because this is too good, too important, and this is a man who was in the room when it happened, when these policies were decided. And he can see firsthand what Anthony Fauci was saying in those meetings to the President of the United States to affect our public health policy and how contrary it was to what we've now learned he knew and shared with his own diary. So we'll continue with Robert Redfield, the CDC director at that time coming up in a moment. You're going to want to hear that. First, though, one last word about relief factor here. I can tell you about how relief factor has helped me with my inflammation that caused sciatica that left me, you know, confined to a chair most of the day or laying on my back because I had so much pain from it and how relief factor has now got me back up on my feet and training for a marathon this fall. I could tell you about that. I could tell you about Jim. Jim was taking relief factor on a regular basis. He ran out, just figured, yeah, I'm fine now. And both times he ran out of relief factor, he got his aches and his stiffness and his pain back. Once he restarted. He felt better again. Connect the dots here. Relief factor really does make a difference. And you can try it out for yourself. Their three-week quick start of relief factor is just $17.76. It's going to tackle your daily pains, your daily aches, and even something more serious. It goes to the root of the problem, the inflammation that you're suffering from. Go to Relieffactor.com or call 800 the number 4 relief. That's Relieffactor.com. They'll connect you with our friendly local team, and they're going to do everything they can to help you. 804 relief. Dr. Robert Redfield continues with us. He's the former CDC director during the Trump administration during the pandemic. He's now, by the way, a Heritage Foundation health policy scholar. Of course, he's at Heritage Foundation. They get only the best over there. Dr. Redfield, I could do one of those Joe Rogan three-hour interviews with you. And in fact, I might talk to my friends at Heritage and use that great studio they've got downstairs and do just that with you if you're up for it. Because this story has not been told. I'd be happy to. A couple of things I want to follow up on. First of all, the way you described the way this virus, as you said, was engineered and manmade and modified in that lab. And then suddenly it starts so effortlessly bouncing from human to human, asymptomatically, and then going through sort of variations and changing. And then again, I'm a layman. I don't know these things. It sounds like a weapon. It sounds like if a science fiction writer were describing a bioweapon, this is what it would sound like. Is it too sort of simple to describe it that way? Why else would they have created this thing? Well, it's interesting. You know, if it was a weapon, I would argue that the attack group that they would be going after at the end of the day to cause significant illness would be the young, 18 to 30-year-olds. Okay, this virus disproportionately caused death for this.

65 to 90 year olds. But I do think you're right. I think it was an intentional research program that was part of a dual-use program, meaning a military and civilian program in China. This lab was a dual-use lab. And I happen to believe that the Chinese scientists were trying to develop a vector, a vector that they could be used to vaccinate the Chinese military and the Chinese people. And if they wanted to have a vector that would be useful to do that, they needed certain characteristics. They needed it first to be transmitted, very transmissible, but by aerosol or, you know, or droplets, okay? Secondly, if they were going to use it to give it to their military, they need to make sure it didn't make people sick. Right. So they wanted it to be asymptomatic. Thirdly, if they were going to use it for their basic vaccine program, think it was sort of the mechanism to give all the vaccines they needed to give, whether it was hepatitis or whether it was flu or measles or whatever. Whatever vaccine they wanted to do, they were just going to put the antigen into this vector, and the vector would do it. They had to make sure that they could give that vaccine. uh... over and over and over again to the same person that they wouldn't they wouldn't reject it so what they did was they also modified it so that the uh... human body doesn't orchestrate what we call immunodominate response to the vaccine there's a very good book that i would tell your listeners to read uh... that just came out it's a little deep in science but it's good uh... by uh... quay dr quag and he gave a great testimony before congress a number of years ago you might remember with the Livermore, a virologist, but his name of his book is The Genome as the Witness. The genome as the witness. He takes the genome apart, and if you really understand the virology, there's no other conclusion. And this virus was was engineered. Manmade and engineered and very deliberate to behave the way that it did. Dr. Robert Redfield. Very deliberate. I've only got two minutes left, but there's one other thing. You mentioned some dates involved there with some studies and some reports and the gain of function. Ashley Moody, Senator from Florida yesterday, asked specifically about the dates involved in the pardon that Anthony Fauci obtained. Goes back to 2014. Does that? sort of overlap in any way with the timeline that you're looking at with regard to his use of gain of function? He's a little earlier. The big experiments in gain of function that originally were done in Netherlands and in Wisconsin were about 2012. All right. Anthony Fauci wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post at that time with Susan Collins, and you can pull it up and read it. It's very prophetic because he argues for gain of function research as being critical to the future of science and all of us.

But when did the Obama administration end, gain of function research? 2014. That's when his pardon begins. So in other words, I mean, just extrapolating, it was against the law to do gain of function research. If he continued to do it, he would have been breaking the law. But now he has a pardon to cover that, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah. 2014 is when Obama canceled it. And, you know, I mean, clearly he misled, you know, he misled the American people. He misled Congress. And he misled you. And he misled the president. and all the people making those decisions. Dr. Redfield, let's regroup. I will argue one thing. When he did say things that were incorrect, I had no difficulty challenging him and telling him. I didn't think he was correct. I told the president very clearly. I thought this virus came from the Chinese lab in January. Tony said he guaranteed he came for the web market. You are definitely on the record with that. We remember. We do. We remembered the former CDC director, Dr. Robert Redfield, one of the good guys in this whole episode. Thank you, sir. Great talking with you. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. I want to remind you here, this is the next to last day for my Food for the Poor campaign, where you can donate to Larry Oshow.com, click that Give Food Banner, and you're giving money to Food for the Port. A great organization that not just feeds a person, gives a person a fish, but they teach them how to fish. Here, take a listen to this, what's happening in a remote village. The village is bringing usually 2 to 300 pounds of fish on a normal day, and the fish gets spread around. What is happening is that the people are eating for the... first time. Good protein, learning how to help themselves, trading. Women are selling the fish and the children are going to school. It's a tremendous blessing. It is a blessing, but that blessing is all because of you and your donations. Go to Larry Osho.com, click on that banner and help not just feed people, but also teaching them how to fish. That's what we're called to do. Larry Oshow.com, click on the banner. God bless you. Each and everyone.

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