The Rod and Greg Show: Dems Fight Over Socialism; Everchanging Definition of Adulthood

Hey everybody, Lady Luck here, and we're celebrating America's 250th birthday. Now, all summer long, I'm going to be celebrating by playing on SpinQuest.com, which is an American-owned social casino. It obviously features over a thousand slot games and live blackjack, live craps, live bubble craps. Head on over to SpinQuest.com. Get yourself a $30 coin pack for just $10.00. SpenQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Avoid where prohibited. Visit SpenQuest.com for more details. It is the Rod and Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio 105, 9, K&RS, and everywhere on the IHeart Radio app. I'm Citizen Hughes. And I'm Rod Arquette. Coming up at the bottom of the hour, our good friend Stephen Moore, he has a response to Anthony Fauci. Because apparently, during all, when Steve worked for President Trump during his first term, apparently Anthony Fauci did not like what Stephen Moore was saying, and he asked the president to fire Stephen Moore. What positive social proofing can you get than when someone like Anthony Fauci doesn't like you? If that doesn't say that you're on the right side of history, you're on the side of angels, that Anthony Fauci doesn't like you. That is just a great... Positive social proofing. I'm jealous that he got such highlighted. He called out. Yeah, he was the object of Anthony Fauci's wrath or scorn. That's beautiful. Well, I'll start politics for a few minutes. Let's talk about what's going on in the Democratic Party and socialism and what's being done there. It's going to be real interesting. I think it's next Tuesday where they have that vote for the Democratic side of the Senate race in Michigan between who you've got Representative Haley Stevens and a socialist out there, Abdul El-Sayed. And a lot of people are watching this, Greg. Yeah. Yeah, it's a... I wouldn't say that it's a star chamber in terms of either side of this Democrat ticket because neither one of them, I think, is the strongest candidate. But I think Al Saeed certainly is the... most the proudest socialist, or at least most honest in terms of his belief. So, you know, we'll see where Michigan goes. Well, joining us on our newsmaker line is Jim Antle. Jim is executive editor of the Washington Examiner Magazine, wrote an interesting article today about the different paths for Democrats in their fight over socialism. Jim, how are you? And welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. Welcome back, Jim. It's good to be here. Thanks for having me. Jim, what do you make of all this? You're right about two paths. I mean, there's a real struggle now going on within the Democratic Party. Is there a way out for the established Democrats? In Wisconsin, it looks like the answer is no. Their attempt to shake up the governor's race to not have a socialist nominee looks like it's.

actually backfiring. It's certainly failing. They've had another candidate drop out just today saying that the socialist frontrunner looks like she'll be the nominee, so there's no point in running, very far ahead of the establishment chosen candidates who's backed by the current governor. In Michigan, it's a tougher call. I mean, this Senate primary between Haley Stevens and Abdul El-Sayed. It depends on the poll you look at, but there definitely seems to be a bit of a fight going on there. You have pretty much all of the big elected officials in Michigan, from the governor to the incumbent senator to a lot of people down ballot and a lot of the black leaders in the state, they're rallying behind Stevens to try to block a socialist nominee. But there's some polling that suggests that might not be good enough, so we'll have to see. Do we mind that the Socialists win the Democrat primaries? Doesn't that make for a better race for Republicans in November? It should make for a better race for Republicans in November, yes. And there was at least one poll that showed that Mike Rogers, the Republican candidate for Senate in Michigan, would beat the Socialists, but he wouldn't necessarily beat the establishment Democrat, although it would be a close race still. The risk is because it's a midterm election. It could be a pretty good Democratic year that some of these people might get elected just because it's a democratic enough year. And, you know, in the midterms, sometimes people vote just to punish the people who are in power or to, you know, protest the party in power. And so sometimes candidates who might not ordinarily slip through. do slip through. And, you know, you don't really want a whole bunch of these guys and gal wielding power before they seize the means of production or something. Jim, how nervous are the Democratic insiders there in Michigan about the possibility of Abdul El-Sayed's general primary election, but moreover, his general election prospects? How nervous are they? Yeah, they're worried that this would take what ought to be a seat where they'd be favored and turn it into a toss-up or worse. You know, that's why they're circling the wagons around Stevens because they think that she'd be a safer nominee. Now, some of these questions really first arose when Graham Platner was imploding in Maine and seems to be putting what ought to have been a wittable seat for the Democrats very much at risk. And so some Democrats started to have second thoughts about the whole socialist thing at that point, but potentially not enough. So, you know, it again depends on which bull in Michigan that you believe because they're starting to say conflicting things and they can't all be right.

But there are some polls that show Abdul El-Sayed with a solid lead. And if that's the case, it is risk your path for Democrats to go down in November. So, Jim, here's a question. Sometimes I worry, though, the Republicans are helping this socialist movement because I worry about crony capitalism. I worry about some of the – we talk about free markets, but you have young people that they're looking at a so-called free market, but they're seeing hedge funds, and they're seeing the ability to be able to purchase a home in their 40s, maybe, if they're lucky. That average age is getting further away from them. Is it that they like socialism or they're willing to even consider something else because the current free market doesn't look so free and doesn't look like they have a shot at it? Are we not doing something right where we're giving socialism a stage it shouldn't have? Well, what I think you're right, I think that, you know, a lot of younger voters don't feel a stake in the capitalist system and the free market system because, you know, they don't own their own homes. They don't really own any meaningful property besides maybe their, you know, their iPhone or, you know, and their, their tablet. They, they, maybe a car. They, they don't have major investments in the stock market or anything like that. They don't ever. retirement account yet that has much in it and they're so paying off their student loans no matter what their income level is so that's definitely part of it i think people not really understanding what the true economic implications of so these ideas would be because they've never it's been many years since they've been tried in the united states so in an era of high prices inflation uh you know you have these socialists sound like they're offering tangible benefits and not just appealing to abstract principles. Now that the problem with all that is to the degree that provided registration to listen to the socialist, that's what produced the inflation in the first place. But A lot of people don't necessarily understand that. They just think that it's greedy capital, this charging that prices. Yeah, yeah. Jim, as always, great chatting with you. Thank you for your insight. It's going to be an interesting midterm election this year. Thanks, Jim. Absolutely. Thanks for having it. All right, that's Jim Antle. He is with the Washington Examiner, joining us on our any hour newsmaker line around now talking about this. Oh, one other quick note before we break. I don't understand there was a pullout in Texas yesterday. which shows that James Talarico, the whack job of a Democratic candidate, has a five-point lead over Ken Paxton. Nope. Now, it's early, okay, and I might go and say, but do you see this story today that, you know, he is trying to be so Texan, right, Telerico, that one of its latest campaign ads has him driving a pickup truck. Yes. A Dodge Ram, 1,500 pickup truck. Well, come to find out.

He does not own a Dodge Ram pickup truck. They went and rented it from Enterprise just to be able to show him driving a truck for a political commercial. Let me tell you how bad that is in my mind. Does that look so stupid? The theater kid, he can't even lease it. He can't even pick up a 24-month lease. He can't even own the persona he's trying to portray in a United States Senate race in Texas. He can't even lease it. He has to rent it by the day because he can't see over the wind. You can't see over the steering wheel. He can't see over the hood of the truck. So he's going to rent it by the day. That is how shallow and absolutely false the entire story with him is. I think he did use a booster seat. Boy, you have to. Have you seen him? He's very low-tee, that kid. Yeah, he sure is. All right. More coming up. Stephen Moore will join us next on the Thursday edition of the Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio 105.9. KNRS. Hey guys, Lady Luck here. Are you going on any road trips this summer? I know I'm going to be going on a bunch of road trips. And being that I'm going to be passenger princess, I love playing on SpinQuest.com. SpinQuest has all of my favorite slot games, live blackjack, live craps. Head on over to SpinQuest right now and get yourself a $30 coin pack for just $10.00. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Avoid where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. All right, welcome back, Rod and Greg, with you on this Thursday afternoon, next to last day of July. With Talk Radio 1059, KNS, live everywhere on the IHeart Radio app. I'm Rod Arquette. I'm Citizen Greg Hughes. Saw a note come across the other day if I want to buy a parking space for Utah football games this year. It's only like two or three weeks away. So if you, I, okay, buy the parking space. What about a seat inside the stadium? I do have one of those already. Oh, okay. So I thought maybe you were just really excited about sitting outside the stadium. You get a parking space. You can hear the crowd. No, this was, I have the tickets already, right? Okay. But then you have to buy the parking spot. We have a sweet parking spot, by the way. And I don't want to give that one up either. I'm not giving the tickets or the parking spot. Where's your parking space? You mean close to the stadium? Real close to the stadium. Doesn't that make it hard to get out? No. The traffic. No. You're caught right up next to the stadium. You can't get any distance. We are right next to the stadium. But we're close to it where we can jump on a street and we're gone. So years ago, Miami the Orange Bowl, they used to have, the old Orange Bowl had residential homes all around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could, my, it was my cousin's husband. He, you could rent someone's yard and park in their yard. Really? Really? To go to the Orange Bowl. Wow. What about those houses that are all around Rice Eccles? Can you rent a driveway or something? I don't see anybody out there selling parking spaces, but there probably are. I've just never paid any attention. Yeah. I think that'd be a little bit of a revenue generator. Yeah, because there's a lot of houses around the stadium. Yes, there are. Yeah. By the way, I just want to make it official. It's true. I was lied to 40 years ago, and I heard this in a classroom, and I know for a fact I did.

you know, Trump felt like he couldn't fire him. I wish he had that we would have been much all better off. But even Deborah Birx, who was also a co-conspirator of this, is now sort of separating herself from Anthony Fauci. But do you remember her? She also was complicit in this. She was a villain as well. Yeah, the scarf. Rush used to call her the scarf queen. I just noticed today that she is coming out, she's coming out and saying that blue states overclosed during COVID. I mean, that's pretty strong statement. Yeah, now she says it. Well, by the way, just, you know, I should say that one of the smartest things Trump did was he said, look, let's let the states decide what to do, how they want to handle this. And that was brilliant because what happened was the blue states all stayed locked down in states like Utah and states like Florida and Texas and Tennessee in a very judicious way opened up their economy. And if it hadn't been for that, the entire, you know, states like Utah and Texas and Florida that carried the rest of the economy on their shoulders by staying open. So thank God you had great leadership. And, you know, you guys are, how is your always number one on everything? But it's just an amazing thing. We were just named Best State in the country four years in a row by Newsweek or no, U.S. News News and World Report over the weekend, Steve. We've got to be doing something right. Well, you are. And it's a serious point. You know, thanks to states like Idaho and Utah and Texas and Florida and the Carolinas, they stayed open while the other states completely shut down. And there was no difference in the death rates. That's the amazing thing because the best thing to do is get people outside. You know, the worst thing you can do is sequester people in their homes, no fresh air, no exercise. You know, you had increases in suicide rates. You had increases in alcoholism. drug abuse, all of this stuff, because people, it was a horrible time for people. Steve Moore joining us on our newsmaker line. Steve, as always, thank you very, very much. If we can stand it, Greg, when we come back, we'll give you an example of the praise the media heaped on Anthony Fauci. Yeah. Get your barf bag ready. I was just going to say. Get your barf bag ready. Don't be anywhere where if you get sick, it's going to be uncomfortable. Yeah, that's coming up. On the Rod at Greg Show and Talk Radio 105.9, KNRS. Third hour, the Rod at Greg Show. With you on this Thursday afternoon here in Utah's Talk Radio, 1059, KNRS. Live everywhere on the IHeart Radio app. I'm Rod Arquette. I'm citizen Greg Hughes. You know, I forgot to bring this up yesterday. We mentioned it was Steve Moore a while ago about the fact that U.S. News and World Report ranked Utah the best date in the country for the fourth year in a row. There was articles... Are you tired of winning yet? I mean, we win so much. Well, I wanted to talk about one of the losers.

California. Yeah. They're like 42nd or 43rd. I mean, that state is so beautiful. Yeah. And the weather is so fantastic. There's so many wonderful things there, yet they just can't get their act together. They have so many problems. I mean, their economy is larger than most nations. I've already heard the fifth largest in the world. And so, and like you say, the weather that is so ideal that you have to. You have to be incredibly bad to chase people out of the state of California. It has to be, I mean, because it had so much going for it. But now it is the land of the damned. I swear it is. I mean, they, hey. Tijuana. I don't even not to go any further than that. Don't get you. The pleads don't get started on it. Yeah, they just, the whole beach, San Diego area is a toilet now because of Tijuana. Someone ought to do something about it. Yeah. Do they need me to come down there again? Do I have to do this by myself? You have to go down there? I literally have to put this issue on my back and carry it across the finish line and get something done. It's Lee Zeldin and California and everybody else. Mexico shouldn't be able to do this. Yeah, he's trying. It's trying. Yeah, it's trying. Yeah, it's trying. All right. Later on in the show, are you aware what happened at the WNBA game up in Seattle last night? I am not. I don't follow the WMBA very closely, Rod. So I'm not aware of the goings-on. Well, there were two teenage girls who showed up and I think had a front row seat at the game. And they wore the T-shirts X, X, X, X, X, Y. Okay. And held. That's about chromosomes. Yeah, held signs up saying, we support you, Sophie. Because Sophie Cunningham has come out in favor of saying boys should not be allowed in girls' bathrooms or in girls' sports, right? Yes. Getting a lot of heat for that. Well, the part owner of the Seattle team came up to these kids and let them have it. How old were these kids? I want to say about 14, 15, maybe 16, maybe. And one of the owners of the team in Seattle? The part owner of the team came up and went after. And berated them. Yeah. That is terrible. Yeah, well, we'll get into that. I don't know if you'd heard that story yet, obviously not, but it's quite a story. You know, maybe that league is just not ready for itself. It doesn't know how to handle being a league. It's shooting itself in the foot every day. Yeah, they've got a star like Caitlin, Caitlin, who's out there. And they punish her every day. And they punish her. They make it just sickening to watch how they treat her. And it's really racial. It's really racial. Yeah, I think it is too. I don't know that the WMBA, this is why they can't have nice things, like ratings and revenue. Like money. Yeah. I just don't think they're ready for the big. They can't have it. Well, speaking of that, there was a Cades back east earlier this year or last year, late last year, where a jury awarded a woman who went through a transition surgery, millions of dollars in blaming the doctor.

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So the biggest procedural hurdle that detransitioners are running into is the same issue that, you know, for good reasons, there are a lot of statutes of limitations that say that if you're suing for medical malpractice, you have to do so within a certain amount of time to make sure that the case can actually be litigated, that the truth can really come out. This is generally a positive law. But when it comes to detransition in particular, it has negative consequences often because when you go through transition, you harm your body, and then later you realize that you had harmed your body, and that these people have been committing malpractice on you, usually you don't come to that realization until years later. And so one of the big hurdles with these detransition cases is that a lot of them are past the statute of limitations. And we have states like Texas where the legislature is aware of this, and they passed a law. explicitly extending that statute of limitations to allow detransitioners to sue. And so there's this very important, you know, Soren Aldaco is one of the detransitioners. And that case survived the Texas, the statute of limitations issue. But then there's one aspect of it that's remaining. And there was one case with Prisha Mosley. who the North Carolina legislature had passed a law extending the statute of limitations, and yet a judge nevertheless ruled against her. So that case is on appeal. There's this really important ruling from the Supreme Court of Texas upholding Sorin El Daco's case. despite, you know, despite these statute of limitations issues. And hopefully that will open the door for more of these detransition cases to make it all the way to trial. Tyler, let me ask you this question about statute of limitations. And maybe my memory's not serving me correctly, but I thought the state of New York, I think it was New York, decided to retroactively extend the statute of limitations for sexual assaults. And I think that that became a dragnet that grabbed a lot of high profile celebrities, things like that. Not that New York is our North Star for good legislation. However, if you're talking about sexual assault having the statute of limitations either opened up or removed, whatever it was the case, wouldn't the detransitioners be, haven't they earned that chance to be able to adjudicate this, knowing how many years it takes to understand what's happened to them? Oh, yes, most definitely. And that's why, you know, with that New York statute of limitations issue, that was a limited window that they opened cases for older cases to be brought back. And of course, you know, it did ensnare one particular celebrity who currently resides in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. But, you know, when we're looking at these detransitioner cases, I think there's a really good case to be made.

for laws being set on the books to permanently extend statutes of limitations in the cases of detransition, just because it is such, I mean, from my perspective, it is such an egregious malpractice of medicine. And if it is rightly considered to be, you know, really the negative effect, the negative force that I think it is, uh, legislatures should make, make those statutes of limitation extremely long or have, you know, have, and they should, they shouldn't be doing this because New York did that for sexual assault. Although I do think, you know, you're right to bring that up because it provides a good example and a good reason to say like, Look, if they did it on this issue, why can't we do it on this? Yeah, good point. Tyler, what about, you mentioned the legal issues, the physical issues that these detransitioners go through, but what about the emotional issue of making that decision? I'm going to fight this. I want to go back to where I was before the surgery. I mean, how big of a challenge is that for many of these people? Oh, it's a humongous challenge. It's a Herculane effort. And it takes extreme courage. So I think one of the things that we often, you know, when people on the left talk about persecuted minorities or those who, you know, those who are isolated from society, those who have a lot of strategic disadvantages, there is no group in my mind that is more disadvantaged. than detransitioners. Because you already had, you know, many of these people are struggling with other mental health issues that are often the underlying cause in many cases of gender dysphoria in the first place. And then what happens is they go through this medical pathway where people say, oh, this is part of your mental issues. And we're going to dismiss all your other mental issues and say, transgender identity is the main one we're going to solve that we're going to affirm you and then we're going to change your body What this does, it has a one-two punch of harming your physical body and then also worsening your mental health problems. Yeah. Boy, what an issue this is. And I wish these detransitioners, all the success in the world in these medical malpractice. It's tough to see. And I think we're going to see. I don't think we're in the middle of it. I think we're in the beginning of it. Oh, yeah, I'm with you. There's going to be a lot spoken about in the time where this was allowed and all the consequences we're going through because of it. We have just scratched the surface, no doubt about it. More coming up. Rod and Greg with you on this Thursday and Talk Radio 105-9, KNRS.

Final half hour to spend with us, and we get to spend it with you, the Rod and Greg Show, on Utah's Talk Radio, 1059, KNS Live Everywhere. Again, on the IHeartRadio app, I'm Rod Arquette. I'm Citizen Greg Hughes. All right, we were talking earlier about the use of profanity. Did you ever swear in front of your mom? Or your grandmother? No, not my grandmother. My mother might have heard me, but my grandmother never did. Yeah, I don't think I ever did in front of my parents. No, no. You know, we were raised in the age of washing your mouth out with soap. I heard the saying never had it. You never had it done? No. I think I did once or twice. I watched the, what was it? What's the movie with Fralfi where he gets his mouth washed out? Oh, yeah, the Christmas story. Yeah, Christmas story. That's the closest I've been to watch. Really? I've seen it, but I've never heard. I've heard the saying, never happened. They did it differently than my mother did to me? I mean, you know, on the Christmas story. Or they use soft soap? No, no. Do they pump it in your mouth back then? She just shoved the bar in the boy's mouth, right? My mother'd say, open your mouth, and she'd scrub my tongue. Oh, that's... Really? Yeah, it is. It's tough. Jeez. That's tough family, man. Tough background. Well, we bring this up because, you know, great question in this next article in our guest, poses this question. How do you know you're an adult, Greg? Some people will tell you that I have yet to achieve that status. Some call it Peter Pan syndrome that you never grow up. But I would say for me, 18, I graduated from after I was 18, but when I graduated from high school, I was out. I would visit my family, my mother, but I never lived under the roof of my parent again. Yeah, well, joining us on our newsmaker line to talk about this is Naomi Schaefer Riley. She is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute writing about the ever-changing definition of adulthood and its cost. Naomi, Greg and I were talking earlier about, you know, and he just mentioned when we're 18, we're gone. I mean, not that we didn't like our parents, those who helped bring us up, but we wanted to get out on our own. That has changed nowadays. What has happened? So, I mean, I think it's become very muddled for young adults today. You know, you can see this in other ways, too, that they're not longing for independence in the same way. There's been a huge decline, for instance, in the number of young people who are getting driver's licenses. And certainly when I was a kid, you know, everybody couldn't wait for the same that you're eligible to get your driver's license and have that sense of independence. And now, I think, you know, for a variety of reasons that include technology and just different relationships with their family.

that young adults are not longing to that independence in the same way but i think it's kind of sneaking up on them that uh... they do reach a point where they want that but uh... you know that the barriers are not so clear our society has all different kinds of markers for when you reach young adulthood, like is it when you go to college? Is it when you finish high school? Is it when you move out of your parents' house? Is it when you can afford your own place? Is it when you get a job or have kids or when you can drink or smoke or any of these things? We have different ages when you can enroll, you know, enlist in the Army. So I think there are just a lot of different ways that we mark that, but it's very unclear for young people, and I think they're not longing for it as much, but I think later I think they really need those boundaries. 15 plus years ago, I sat in a seminar and our premier research institution of higher learning has what they call a brain institute. And what they described was that human beings have this strange around laid out adolescents the desire to leave the nest. They want to give up their roof like rot. By the way, did you hear Rod say that we're very similar? I just, Naomi, did you hear him say that because that's a moment? for him to compare the two of us is very similar. This doesn't happen very often on the Rod and Greg show, but I think I heard him say that. Yeah, I did. Okay. He said it. Okay. So Rod and I, we both, my life followed this pattern that was described, that we will leave, and we're more apt to take risks. We were at this age where you take risk, and interestingly enough, the tobacco industry keyed in on this, and this is where they would market tobacco because young people were more interested in smoking at that time where they were willing to take on more risk. as they were leaving the nest. Has our environment changed that? Is that never the case? Or has the environment changed the human nature to want to leave the nest at a certain age? Happy birthday, America. It's time to celebrate and play your favorite Las Vegas casino games by American-owned SpinQuest.com. What's better than fireworks than American Pie? Hitting a black check in the palm of your hand, and you won't lose your fingers. Over a thousand games, including slots and live dealers. And $30 point packs are on sale for 10. SpinQuest.com. Buy American players for American players. SpendQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Avoid where prohibited. Visit SpenQuest.com for more details. human nature has changed exactly. I mean, I do think that our environment has influenced things. So like I mentioned technology, I mean, I think that what's happened is that, you know, sort of the phones have sort of allowed people maybe to sort of have the image, the kind of illusion of having independence, like they have this little device and they seem to be having relationships through it.

they're not having those in-person interactions but it can sort of entertain them in a way in their living room that they they feel maybe they don't need to get out as much I also think, obviously, parents are supporting kids for, you know, a longer period of time. I mean, you know, even thinking about, like, how long young adults today are on their parents' health insurance. I mean, you can be on your parents' health insurance until 26 today. Like, is that, are you still a kid? I mean, the number of parents I know who are paying for their cell phone plans of their 25 or their 30-year-olds. So I think, you know, parents are definitely partly to blame here for the helicoptering. sort of wanting to be their kids' best friend as well. So I think those things are sort of giving young people the illusion that they don't need to set those boundaries and that they don't need to create independence. And that, you know, leads to what I was, you know, sort of responding to in my article, which was this estrangement crisis, young adults who are cutting off their families. And I was trying to kind of figure out why that is. And I think part of it really is that they're kind of flailing. They're looking for a way to create boundaries, but they don't know how. Yeah. What are your thoughts on this? Because you're right about this. I was going to ask you about this whole estrangement study showing, or was it, one in ten or estranged from a parent or a child? Some people are blaming it on therapists or telling them, leave your family. I mean, what do you make of all this, Naomi? Yeah, it's so disturbing. Yeah. You know, I think that there are just, you know, there are unfortunately people who are advising these young people, whether they're therapists or their friends or other adults who are just saying, you know, oh, it's not worth it. You know, you've experienced some toxic childhood. You've experienced some trauma during your youth. And so you just need to cut these people out of your life. I think that there is a little bit of kind of our toxic politics that's at work here, you know. uh... this whole discussion of like you know how you you shouldn't even invite the relatives that you disagree with to thanksgiving dinner i mean you should just cut them out of your life that they're so wrong and it's not worth it uh... and i think that message is definitely trickling down and you're seeing more and more people just literally saying I want nothing to do with my parents. And it's very disturbing. You know, I've observed something an anomaly over the course of my life, but it might be anecdotal. I'm wondering if you've seen this or if this has been tracked. Sometimes you see young kids that are young adults or adolescents in a home rebel. They do want to be estranged. They want to run away. They want to do something. But if you go forward, fast forward three, four years, they don't launch. They actually stay home longer. The ones that wanted to sneak out, wanted to run away, didn't want to be at home, actually stay home longer. Is there something to that or is that just random?

You know, I just, I think that there's like a productive way of, you know, declaring your independence in a not productive way. So I mean just sort of, you know, you know, stomping your feet and saying, you know, I hate you and then just sort of staying put is kind of one thing that's happening. You know, and I think the young people who are launchers sort of saying like, you know, I'm going to take these steps to prepare myself to be financially independent, to be sort of, you know, emotionally mature enough to leave the nest. And that's a whole different approach. There was a funny book title. I can't remember the exact title from a few years ago about kind of teenagers. And it was called, like, I hate you, Mom, now take me to the mall. And I think it sort of sums up a little bit of, you know, that feeling that, you know, young adults have that they are, they do want independence, but they are, you know, very much tethered to the adults in their life for things. And so the question is kind of... How do you navigate that relationship? So it does become a productive, you know, growth and that you are able to sort of leave home and fend for yourself. Naomi, thanks for joining us. Naomi Schaefer Riley, a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute talking about adulthood. Yep. And if it even exists anymore. Well, did I tell, did I have I? You know, when I was in Papua New Guinea, Third World Country. Yes, yes, yes. So, you know, they barely had a criminal justice system, but they were endeavoring to have one. Well, the judge in determining whether they had before them a minor or an adult, would ask for the defendant to raise both their arms. And if the judge could see hair under the armpits, then that was an adult. And if it wasn't, or if there was just a little bit, then it was a minor. And that was the test for adulthood. And he did this with both sexes? No, this is guys, these are the men. I don't know. I don't know what the, the women, it might have been some other developments that might have made that the case or not, but it would be for guys, stick up your arms in the air. Okay, you're an adult. Literally, that was, yeah, I don't know. Really? I don't know. But that was how they did it. That's how they did. It was a bit primitive, but it seems pretty, you know, it could work. Well, they did it. All right. Final segment of the Rod and Greg Show coming your way right here on Utah's Talk Radio 1059, KNS. Hey guys, Lady Luck here. Are you going on any road trips this summer? I know I'm going to be going on a bunch of road trips. And being that I'm going to be passenger princess, I love playing on SpinQuest.com. SpinQuest has all of my favorite slot games, live blackjack, live craps. Head on over to SpinQuest right now and get yourself a $30 coin pack for just $10.00. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Boydware prohibited, visitspinquest.com for more details.