Larry Glover Live 7-29-26

Welcome back to our program here on Larry Clever Live here on 97.3 FM. WV. Okay, we'll get to your calls, questions, and comments here on our program. We got one more hour to go here on our Wednesday show. We have Robert Farley coming up on the program tomorrow. I'm Robert Farley coming up tomorrow and we'll talk with him about some geopolitics and the latest on Iran. We'll get us take on a number of different issues happening globally. So I look forward to that conversation as well. And then we'll see Voss coming up on Friday. Trey Watson joining us now from Capital Range PR. Also, Kentucky Politics Weekly, a fine podcast on state and federal politics. We welcome, Trey, to the show. Trey, welcome. How's it going? Appreciate your time, as always. Larry, it's Fancy Farm Week. Couldn't be going any better, man. I'm going to eat on barbecue this weekend. When are you heading down? Well, I'm going to head down Friday morning. Leave Lexham Friday morning. Head directly to Stanges and Paducah to get me some barbecue pork on flane white bread, little Starns of barbecue sauce. Yeah, that sounds delicious. I appreciate you bringing some back. Thank you. So for people who've never been to Fancy Farm, someone that may be a casual Politico, just that you have a casual interest in it. You might like talk about it, but you're not deeply immersed in it. Make the case for why people need to go to Fancy Farm one time. Oh, well, I mean, if nothing else, the phrase stump speaking comes from Fancy Farm because before they built the stage, the speakers there used to get up on a big fallen oak stump in the middle of the picnic ground. And that's where the phrase Stump speaking comes from. Happy Chandler said that he won his governship thanks to going to the Fancy Farm picnic. And after that, it was kind of, it was a thing. Everybody went out there. You know, over the years, it's become. Kind of all about the theatrics and kind of the heckling and the in the roasting. But, you know, beyond that, I think part of it is... It's all – and occasionally you have people get up there that don't quite understand it and either do the roasting in a mean-spirited banner or they don't understand – like Matt Devin famously did. Or Steve Andy Beshear – neither of the Bashirers have ever particularly loved Fancy Farm. Steve Bishir one year went out and made his whole speech into – I'm not going to do the Fancy Farm thing, and it was the whole pro-trip speech because he'd just gotten back from, I think, Iraq. What would you do if your online store converted 36% more shoppers? You could take 36% more vacation. Another pinocerotta? Yes, please. Open a new retail location. With 36% more square feet. Fantastic. Hire 36% more help. You're hired and you're hired. Shopify has the world's best converting checkout, up to 36% better than other e-commerce platforms. What you do with those extra sales is up to you. Switch to Shopify today at shopify.com slash listen and get a $1.5.com.

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I'm trying to think who would be the best. I mean, the person who loves it the most is Mitch McConnell. Mitch McConnell loves it. He loves the – because I think he also loves – he loves the people jeering and yelling at him. I think he kind of savors that part of it. James Comer also loves it. I think Comer loves it because it's that old, old-timey stump style politics that Comer kind of plays into. You know, I've always liked Mitch McConnell's speeches. Mike Harmon always had a good, a good bucket of dad jokes to draw from. Yeah. You know, and honestly, the years I've been out there, some of the best and funniest speeches have been the MCs just because they're able to go after everybody and encourage to go after everybody. Yeah, Ashley watched last year. I thought she'd pull some punches because she was at the state chamber. She was fantastic. You know, and he got buzz this year, and Lord knows what Michael's day. And he basically told me, I don't have a speech. I'm just going to go where the mood takes me. Is it better to go out there and wing it, or do you think you need to have some stuff written? Oh, no, you've got to have it written because it's going to throw you off. Especially it's like you don't know what to expect. In 2016, they allowed presidential surrogates to get up and speak. So, Ralph Alvarado was the surrogate for the Trump campaign, and the Democrats sent Kay Hagan, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina. She had no idea. I'm sure that no one really prepped her. It's a church picnic. They do speaking, and people are kind of funny. Yeah, I'm sure that they didn't properly prepare her for what it was. And of note, they didn't announce it would be Kay Hagan until like 4 o'clock on Friday night. Well, we were able to call somebody at the North Carolina GOP. And they overnight FedExed a box of Thom Tillis yard signs who had just beaten Kay Hagan for the U.S. Senate. They fedxed them to my grandma's house in Paducah. And we picked up the signs and brought them, got them over there. So they announced Kay Hagan was speaking at 4 o'clock on Friday. When she got up to speak at about 3 o'clock on Saturday, she was greeted by a sea of like 100 Thom Tillis yard signs. And people chanting Thom Tillis at her. And I think she mispronounced, she misfed Hillary Clinton at one point. Like, she was, it was awful. She was rattled. She didn't know what she did, know what she's coming into. Yeah. You know, I go and talk about Mitch McConnell loving fancy farming. I mean, you know. Mitch better than I do. But I mean, and people talking about, you know, Andy Beshear, and we'll get to this in a second, Andy Beshear applying pressure, trying to apply pressure to Mitch McConnell. If you think that you can apply pressure to Mitch McConnell to get him do something he doesn't want to do.

then you don't know him very well. I mean, you know, I just don't, I mean, Andy Beshear keeps urging Scott Jennings to call Mitch McConnell live on the air and CNN, you know, like, and he has to understand that none of this stuff he's trying is going to actually work. I mean, here's a guy withstood enormous amounts of pressure to give Merrick Garland a hearing and he didn't do it. You know. Andy Beshear trying to apply some pressure from afar in strongly worded letters or a social media post. I mean, that's nothing. That's like a fly buzzing around your head. If there is anyone in this country, Ms. Mitch McConnell is going to listen to less than Andy Beshear. I don't know who that person is. And honestly, right now, you know, Andy Beshear has made a critical error. Andy Beshear has fed. a feral beast online. And the problem with feeding feral animals, Larry, is if you stop feeding the feral animal, they will eat your face off because they're hungry and they're feral and you fed them. And Andy Beshear has run out of food. And now they are feasting on his political corpse. And Mitch McConnell, even if Mitch McConnell was physically capable of standing up and dancing a jig right now, he would not show face in public until every last piece of political need has been picked off the political bones of Andy Beshear. Yeah, I agree. It's not going to happen. He's dug a hole, and Mitch McConnell ain't going to throw him a shovel. Yeah, I totally agree. I absolutely totally agree with that. I mean, I just, he's not going to help Andy Beshear out. I mean, by, you know, coming out and making a public statement that Andy Beshear is asking for helps Andy Beshear. I guess, I mean, I guess it helps him to a degree. I don't know that any of it really helps Andy. I think it's the difference is what hurts him less. Because if he comes down and speaks, then then I guess Andy got him to do it, but then what to what benefit? So I think it's not so much that it helps Andy, but sheers that, you know, which of the possible outcomes to his request hurts him less? Well, and I think Andy has dug himself a hold to where he's a man with no constituency because he's built this whole brand. on whether you believe it's a real brand or not. He's built this whole brand on being a modern-day Clinton-esque, I feel your pain, help your neighbor type person. Great. Now he's out attacking an old man and demanding this to see his medical records. How do you think that plays with the people who bought into the, I feel your pain, you know, moderate? Help your neighbor type thing. So you lost those people. And then these feral online liberals, you cannot, they're a bottomless pit of anger. You cannot feed them enough. And he fed them once. And now they're mad at them because he's not feeding them again. And so he's a man without a nation here.

Yeah, Trey, I think, and then we'll get to some other stuff. I think that Andy Beshear has tried to portray himself as this moderate and this above the fray kind of guy. And I think he looks at the polling numbers and sees that it's not really getting him anywhere. And he's having to try to find a way to get partisan and be an attack dog. And I actually think it kind of looks like he's panicked a little bit. Yeah, I think whether or not you believe... I don't think that this presidential cycle, and I think it's going to hurt them in the general election because I don't think that whoever they nominate is going to end up being an electable individual. But I think the Democrats are looking for someone who matches the anger level among their base. And their base is leaning more and more progressive, leaning more and more kind of pseudo-socialist to actual socialist. And so Andy Beshear, I don't think he ever really. I've never believed he actually had a shot at winning the nomination. I've always believed he's running for a cabinet position to elevate his name to a point where he makes it. He's a sensible pick for either vice president, but more likely a cabinet post. And, you know, he is in one foul swoop here ruined the brand that it took him. 11, 12 years to build as Mr. Rogers. Like, he has wiped it out in one, in one foul smooth. Yeah, yeah. I think he started to do that when he was openly, you know, campaigning to be the vice president to pick of Kamala Harris, frankly. I think it began then because I think he got pretty, pretty nasty with some of the things that he said. I mean, not many nasty, but nasty. You know, when you're in politics, Larry, it's like this in sports. It's like this in business. You pick a lane, man. And like if your lane is closed off and you don't have anywhere to go with this particular time. It's, you know, that's not, that's not your fault. But it also doesn't mean that you have to like, you know, if I'm a, if I'm a knuckleballer and all of a sudden people figure out how to hit the heck out of a knuckleball, it doesn't mean I have to go out and start trying to throw 95 miles an hour because I can't throw 95 miles an hour. And, you know, I can't go out and try to be something I'm not. And I can't try to pivot like that. It's just you kind of got to say, well. And politics, so much of politics and success in politics is timing. And, you know, again, that's not, I'm not any Andy Beshear fan at all at any level.

It's not Andy Beshear's fault that people in 2028 are going to want an angry, progressive liberal. It's just bad timing. And honestly, he's young. He could go be the cabinet secretary. You could go head up a think tank or something and buy this time for another year because politics goes through cycles. And his persona will be in vogue again in the future. But it appears like he's all in on 28. He's going to damn the torpedoes and burn it down if he has to. And it's not going to work for him. We're talking to Trey Watson from Capital Range PR and Kentucky Politics Weekly. Shifting back to Fancy Farm for just a minute, Trey. A couple of things. One, do you think we'll get any news? People are kind of speculating that maybe Mike Adams may have something to say that's noteworthy this weekend and down a fancy farm. Do you expect the U.S. soccer podcast? I'm your host, Megan Klingerberg. And after interviewing so many dudes during this men's World Cup, I'm so happy to be back with my U.S. women's national team players. I know the U.S. men's national team has changed how I think about myself, how I think about being an American, how I think. about being on a team. It's one year out from that World Cup, and we're going to talk about the brightest prospects in U.S. soccer. You ready? I'm ready. Let's do it. The U.S. soccer podcast. Presented by Henkoe. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. To announce his candidacy. I don't know. Maybe. Because I mean, here's the thing about Fancy Farm. Typically, if I was going to advise someone to announce something at Fancy Farm, I actually like to do it like the week before. And then you can use... kind of the week before, Fancy Farm, to build up to a crescendo to maximize your media hits. I think Rocky Atkins has been smart the way he did it, announced a week and a half or so before, and then he can kind of tour the crescendo of your media cycle is Fancy Farm. Because, you know, if you're going to have a crescendo, the symphony, you don't start on the high note. You end there. And so, you know, I think if you're thinking about kind of a media cycle as a movement of music, You've got to start somewhere and then kind of move up. So, yeah, I like doing it that way. You know, I thought there was a chance that James Comer might announce something because he loves Fancy Farm. He announced for governor in 2015 at Fancy Farm 2014. But when I had him on your program guest hosting a couple weeks ago, he made it fairly clear that no announcement would come until November after the general election. So, you know, I don't know that we'll have announcements. I think that there will be language that will make it very clear who's running and very clear who's not running. Yeah. But I don't know that we'll have formal announcements of anything. If we do, the most likely would be Mike Adams. We're talking with Trey Watson from Capital Range, PR, and Kentucky Politics Weekly. Trey, when you have two candidates from the same party, it's hard to differentiate yourself when you effectively.

agree on almost every point. It's going to be interesting to see Jackie Coleman and Rocky Atkins at Fancy Farm. I mean, I've had Jackie Coleman on my program before. It's been a while, but she doesn't strike me as someone that's going to be great at the snappy one-liners. My sense is that Fancy Farm might not be the best setting for her. What do you think about that? You know, she's been there a couple times before. She's been fine. It's heavily scripted. uh, heavily rehearsed. And you know, you, you can't win anything at fancy farm. You can lose something, but you can't really win. So you just need, it's something, you just need to go up there and, and, and it's kind of like golf, you know, you got holes in a golf course that as long as I don't bogey this hole, I'm fine. I don't need to birdie it. I just don't, I just want to not boge it, uh, you know, if you're watching it, like a major or something. And I think fancy farm, a lot of ways, is kind of like one of those holes. And, you know, she's done well enough. You know, she's put one out there in the fairway and played a safe shot and chipped it up, laid up. And, no, it's been fine. Rocky, I think this is a, I don't think Rocky, I don't remember if they were letting the governmental nominees for the next year speak in 19 or not, or 18 for 19. I don't think they did. So I don't, this may be Rocky's first. actual fancy farm speech. I'm not sure, but it's definitely a platform that Rocky should excel at. And if anything, the bar is higher for Rocky to clear because he's just got that persona that should do well there. I would put the odds that Rocky being played off and going over his time at like minus 340, minus 400. I would, I might not even take bets on that one. It's so sure to happen. You know, I think the bar is probably higher for Rocky on performance front there, just because it's more of a rocky-esque setting. Yeah, yeah, I think so as well. Do you feel like that, you know, are there stakes that are higher for one versus the other? I mean, I, and I don't know, it's kind of hard to tell. I think the perception is that maybe Jacqueline Coleman is maybe the early leader, but it's close enough that it's certainly. You know, either candidate can win the primary. And we talked about this a little bit last week. Is there more on more at stake for Rocky than there is the lieutenant governor? Or do you feel like it's it's negligible, whatever difference may be in either direction? I think Rocky certainly needs to hold serve. You know, it's in an area that should, the Democrat vote there should go for Rocky. Coleman's going to be, you know, heavily favored in more suburban and urban areas. Louisville-elected and Golden Triangle. Rocky needs, if he's going to win, he has to kind of swamp her in the rural areas. So, you know, Graves County is a place that Rocky is going to have to perform very, very well. And if he's going to, if he's going to beat Coleman, really all of.

to purchase everything west of the penny route, that's going to have to be Rocky territory if he's going to beat her. So I think he certainly needs to hold serve. You know, if Coleman just absolutely knocks out of the park, you know, could it be an issue for Rocky? I don't know that it's, you know, something of permanence, but it certainly has to raise a flare to say, well, maybe she can perform better in some of these rulers than we thought. But, yeah, I think certainly Rocky's going to have to make sure that he's holding the serve out there. Do you think that either Kenneth will really go after the other or will they take shots at Trump or James Comer or, you know, who they think that, I mean, do you think they'll avoid addressing each other head to head? And how vicious do you think it could be? I think they'll probably avoid head-to-head. I think that they'll focus on Trump, Mitch McConnell, Comer. You know, maybe Brett Guthrie because of his position on Commerce so that he won't be there. You know, really anybody in the federal delegation, Rand Paul, they're probably all fair game. I would suspect that most of the, based on people that I've talked to and the feeling I'm getting so far, I think most of the bloodletting in this primary, but from the Democrat side is going to be done behind closed doors. If it does go public, I think it'll go public late. It'll go public incredibly nasty. But, you know, I tend to think that most of that sort of the wet work, so to speak, and that Democrat primary is probably mostly going to be done behind closed doors or through surrogate. Trey, are you writing material for someone this week? You don't have to say who, but I mean, are you writing some materials? Do we need to be looking for some Trey Watson jokes out there? I sent a couple good ones, I think, to Dave for his, for his NC speech. I send him a couple ones I think may make it in. I don't have a city of Canada I'm writing for this year. It's a me first year in a couple years. I haven't. Haven't written, you know, at least some portion of a speech or somebody. I did send Dave a few zingers. And if anybody out there wants to watch, you know, I don't know what KET's covered look like. I don't know they'll be covering it, but Renee Shaw won't be out there. She's written her last days on Friday. But you can check out the Fox 56 News app, Fox 56 News.com. I'll be out there helping, and the whole Kentucky politics with. Currie will be out there helping anchor the Fox 56. coverage both, I think we're starting an hour before speaking starts. It'll be 2 o'clock Eastern. We'll go on the air and then we'll be on about a half hour after the speaking ends for some wrap-ups. Do you think that someone can be a credible political pundit in Kentucky and having not been to fancy far? No, absolutely not. Yeah, I've never been. Sorry, thanks. You need to tell a Larry, man. Hey, you come out. I'll show you around, man. My grandma lived 21 miles from St. Jerome's. The house I was born out, the house I lived in until I was five, was even closer than that. My mom's a Mayfield High Graduate. You come out, I'll take you by, take you by, see my cousin out at the Beehive Liquors. We'll get some starting to barbecue. I'll tell you what, Ray. I'll tell you what to do.

It's too late for me to come this year. I will go next year and I'll take you up on it and I will go to Fancy Farm for the first time next year. Come on out, man. You can sit in and guest host the podcast with us after the speaking's done. I would love to do that. I would love to. Come home. Just mark it down. Mark it down. We'll do it. Trey, I appreciate it as always. Great talking to you. So much fun. Thanks, Larry. All right. Thank you. That's Trey Watson from Capitol Raines PR and also Kentucky Politics Weekly. Welcome back to our program here on Larry Glover Live here on 97.3 FM, WVLK. We'll get to your calls, questions, and comments. What of our listeners, right? Larry, regarding Mitch McConnell, maybe the CIA, if they could find them, put live surveillance on the location, I'm curious about condition now tomorrow, not a promise. That can be capped. I mean, really, I mean, I'm a little surprised. Something hasn't come out, to be honest with you. Somebody hasn't leaked something. I think, obviously, he's still, he's live. And, I mean, they've already said he's out of the hospital. He's in a rehabilitation center. I'm surprised in a process of leaving that someone didn't get a photograph or something of Mitch McConnell leaving, I guess. I'm a little surprised, but yet here we are. But I would expect Mitch McConnell to circle September 14th. I think that's when you'll likely see him back at work. You know, there's not many days where they'll be in session between now and the end of the year. Certainly not many days between now and the next election. After next week, they'll be out until September 14th. Then they'll be, I think, in session, what, three weeks? And then they'll be out for the rest of the... the time before the election come up in November. But circle September 14th. I think that's when you're very likely to see him back at work, in my view.

Welcome back to our show here on Larry Clever Live, here on 97.3 FMWV. Okay, about 20 minutes left in the program before we hand things over to cruise room crew. We have lines open, 253, 5-9. Let's go back to the phone lines. We've got Al next up. Al, welcome to the show. How you doing? Hey, Larry, how you doing? Doing fine. You know, I'm over here with about six of my grandkids, and all they listen to is Michael Jackson. The oldest is seven. The younger is a little bit younger than that. And they are, this call is never important. So they've grown, Michael Jackson have grown a new audience of young kids because of the movie. But I don't want to talk about that, quite honestly. Larry, we talked a little bit about innovation and intelligence of men being able to take things into the modern era that we enjoy. We talked about those things. And I forget about John DeLorean. He created DeLorean cars, which was pretty fascinating. So we talk about all the innovation, the technology, and the AI. all the quirks that you hear from these various platforms and the new things that's been created. But yet we have not been able to get the voting apparatus in this country perfected. They're not going all the way back to 2000 doing Bush v. Gore when we had so much that went wrong with the voting system. to where they didn't know if the impression of the card was an indicator for either of the candidates that they had to use certain things to determine if the voter intended to vote for Bush or Gore that it was just a mess. And here we are 26 years from that, and we still have not done anything to perfect. where a voter can comfortably go into a voting booth and vote and come out and vote for the person that they like. And yet we still have a president who says that the election was stolen due to maybe voting scandals. Why is it that as intelligent as people that we have that invented the things that we talked about yesterday cannot perfect? a citizen going in to vote. Well, I think one of the reasons is we can't agree on what measures would be. the ones that would ensure safety. I mean, um, and some of the simplest things I think can offer us the most, I guess the, I guess, uh, the, uh, the most security. Um, and, and we can, we can't agree on it. I mean, listen, I mean, if certain, what, what do you think could be done? What measure could be taken that would give you the most confidence?

give you make you more confident i guess better way put it make you more confident that the next election will be safe and secure and fair and and and beyond question well i really haven't thought about it from that perspective but i mean it's almost like you know if i voted for a school president and you voted for a school president uh and we pick one of those persons we should just be able to check We want to be school president. I know it ain't that simple, but it should be simplified to where he just go in and vote for the person that you want to be president or whatever they, whatever office or whatever they're running for. So I don't know why it can't be that simple to be able to do it that way. But we have enough intelligent people. As we talked about yesterday, for it to be that way. So the question is, why isn't it that a way? Well, I think both sides have questioned enough elections here recently, and they do it from different perspectives. I mean, Trump was claiming that those were fabricated, and that's the reason why Joe Biden won. And Democrats are claiming that the rights suppressing the vote and that, you know, that you're enlisting the aid of foreign governments to help them through manipulation and misinformation. I think the problem, the biggest thing would be is for both sides to. to stop making, you know, unfounded claims, you know? I mean, listen, I think that there's some voter fraud, but to what degree and what kind of impact they could have? I don't know the answer to that. There's a simple way to solve that by simply having voter IDs. People say, well, that suppresses the vote because of A, B, and C. Well, you can undercut A, B, and C by implementing in 2030 and taking measures to make sure that the fears that people have regarding voter ID is the least. I think both sides of our political law need to be very careful in the rhetoric. I mean, just the other day, Jamie Raskin said that the Republicans have nothing to run on, and that's why Trump is trying to rig the midterm elections. He didn't elaborate how he's trying to rig it. But they're laying the foundation to undercut people's confidence in the midterm elections because they believe. He believes and he claims that the president is trying to rig it. You know? So I think both sides have plenty of blame when it comes to trying to dictate who's responsible for undermining people's confidence in our election. I mean, you had, again, you know, Trump saying time and time again that the 2020 election was stolen. You know, and then he has made claims that that, you know, that ballot boxes have been stuffed and illegal immigrants are voting and things like that. Well, if they are, you know, it hasn't been definitively proven. And I recognize without voter ID, that might be hard to do. But, but he's making those claims. You know, how can you make those claims without?

without rock solid evidence other than you feel like that Joe Biden, you've got 80 million votes. It's unlikely he would get 12 million more votes than Barack Obama, which is one of the arguments. Well, I think the president is extremely still upset what twinned to derailed him making America great again. And that's what the election claims that it was rigged. and that he was cheated and with Dr. Anthony Fauci being elaborate about COVID. You know, either one or two things happened with COVID. Either it was true, it wasn't as bad, with several things, as bad as bad as we thought. And in 2026, you don't hear about it anymore. So is it cured? Because we don't hear about it anymore. That his claims of... COVID could be kind of true that maybe we jumped and was just overemphasized some things regarding the disease, but we can't, we got to recognize the people did die from that. Well, I think, I think for as far as COVID's concerned, I mean, people died from it. It wasn't nothing. But I don't know that it was the existential threat that it was made out to be as well. There are some things about COVID that people said very early on that were dismissed as misinformation that turned out to be true. The six feet distancing, the masking, closing to schools, all that turned out to not be really necessary measures. Some people picked up on, you know, the fallacies of those, you know, those pieces of advice earlier. and others, for instance. I mean, there's there's so, COVID unquestionably was politicized. There's just, there's just, there's just, there's no getting around that. I do think you talk about the 2020 election. I, I do believe that there were, there were politicians that used COVID to, to change the voting rules. They didn't like. I mean, I think that's fair to argue. I mean, there were a lot of security measures that were changed under the auspices of keeping people safe when the security measures they were striking. They didn't really have anything to do with people and how they voted. For instance, saying like, you don't have to show a photo ID when you go to a voting booth to vote. I ask you to show a voter ID or not didn't keep you safer. You know, if you're allowed to vote by mail, you can't vote by mail. But, I mean, if you go vote in person, you're saying you don't have to show an ID to vote, I mean, how did that keep you safer exactly by not having to show an ID versus having to show one? I mean, I think everybody realized that COVID was a mess. I mean, you and I talked about it. It took in fractured the sporting entity that we enjoyed that. Maybe John Califery would have warned it, but that team had not been for COVID. That companies lost money. Mom and pop companies didn't survive because of not being able to get business and because of the guidelines that was brought about because of COVID. You know, that it was devastating and that the Trump economy took a tremendous blow from that. And he felt like that.

It's harder to make those kinds of claims. It's easy to say, well, if I was in Anthony Fauci's shoes, here's what I would have done, but you don't know. It's easy to say if I were the President of the United States back in World War II, I would not have dropped those nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Osaki. But if people are presenting you evidence that... Yes, it will kill lots of people, but it will save people in the long run. I mean, it's hard to make those decisions when it's your neck on the line. And I think it's possible that Anthony Fauci maybe felt like some of these measures were unnecessary and maybe overzealous. But it's easy to see why you might perhaps. Take measures or recommend measures that maybe you felt like is is Not going to be helpful, but yet look but yet you feel like you know if I'm wrong then then what's the worst can happen? You know people have a you know their their lives are inconvenienced it a little bit versus if I say we don't need the lockdown schools And it turns out that that's wrong and then maybe people die. I think when you in those life and death situations, it's easy to, it's easy to say, well, I would have done things differently. Well, maybe you would. Maybe you would not have. I think in retrospect, I think it's clear that keeping schools open. didn't really make much of an impact at all. And I think some people like Ron DeSantis saw that early on and they went with it and they were proven to be correct. But I could see in the early stages in March and April why people might have felt differently. But I mean, even Anthony Fauci said on my show, you know, in July of 2020, that, you know, broad closure of schools was not helpful. Why didn't he say that publicly nationwide? He said it on my show. Why didn't he tell de Blasio and Gavin Newsom that? I don't know the answer to that. Well, I think that you know. I like I like I hate to do. I got to go though. I appreciate you to call. Thank you very much. 253-5-9. The Stuttgart Motors text line, 253-5-9. Sean writes, Larry, like we talked about, we didn't know what we didn't know, rather be safe than sorry. Well, I mean, I think it's possible that that was the case. But I think it's also, you know, Dr. Anthony Fauci, when you're in that position, you're paid to make those decisions. You're not paid a lot of money to be in that position to, you know, kind of... I don't use the phrase went out. I mean, but I mean, I think that, you know, they are tough decisions. But anybody can make the, you know, the overzealous safe choice. You could have made that choice, Sean. I could have made that choice.

Anthony Fauci is supposed to be an expert. He's supposed to know about this stuff. And the thing about Anthony Fauci, I would say, I would argue about this is, you know, here's a guy that knew a lot about this kind of, this kind of virus. And I think what Rand Paul is kind of driving out with his hearings and his question of Dr. Anthony Fauci is that Dr. Anthony Fauci knew a whole lot about this virus more than he's let on. And he knew a lot about the development. And he knew about how it was developed and where it came from. He's arguing that this is not something that would just happen organically. And he was just learning about it too. The argument he's making is that, yes, COVID-19 maybe can endanger people's lives. And maybe I didn't know about it. Maybe you didn't know about it, Sean. Maybe I didn't know about it. But Rand Paul's arguing that Anthony Fauci did know about it. He did know about it because he was involved and he helped fund the research that led to the development of it. That's what he's arguing. And that's what he was hoping to accomplish in these hearings. And... Anthony Fauci has claimed that that's not true, but there's evidence and through Freedom of Information Acts where it suggested that we were involved in some of these kinds of research and funding. We'll get to your calls, questions, and comments. I saw a quote from Sean Lennon today. Sean Lennon is the youngest son of John Lennon. I actually have found him to be one of the most interesting. one of the most interesting people on social media. And he, and every once in a while he'll say something that surprises me. I mean, because like, if you think of John Lennon's youngest son, Sean Lennon, son of Yoko Ono, you would think, here's a guy that's this hyper progressive, you know, leftist egghead that's just, there's as woke as the day as long. That's what you, that's kind of what I would envision. I think most people would envision. He's not really like that. Sean Lennon is kind of like a voice of reason. Common sense. He said something today that I thought was kind of spot on. He says, I've noticed that when you can be totally correct about something, but if you're a jerk about it, people don't want to hear it. He's right about that. If you're condescending. and have this superior, holier than thou attitude, people aren't going to listen to you even if you're right. He's right about that. He's 1,000% right about that. People don't want to be lectured by people who think that they're smarter than everybody else. They have a tendency to block it out and to tune it out, really. And I think that's really true.

I mean, it's just, I think it's, I think it's, I just think he's, I just, he's kind of, kind of an interesting guy. I think, I think most people would be surprised about, about some of the things he says, about some of the things he says and believes that are unexpected. I, I find him to be a really interesting. I think I find you to be a very interesting guy. All right. We are running, we're down to the mere seconds now. We have obviously two more programs this week. We've got a Thursday show tomorrow beginning at noon. We got Robert Farley going to join us on the program. We may have another guest lined up. And that's coming up on Thursday's broadcast on Friday. We'll have Steve Voss here at 105. We'll preview Fancy Farm with Dr. Voss. I'm going to Fancy Farm next year. invitation extended by Trey Watson. I'm going to take him up on that. I've been wanting to go for a while. I think next year would be a good year to go with the gubernatorial elections just a few months away, a couple months away. So we're going to go next year. Too late to go this year, but we'll do it next year. All right, stand by Cruiser Crew is coming up next. I'll see you tomorrow beginning of noon on the next edition of Larry Clever Live. The U.S. Soccer Podcast. These players are battered and exhausted, but you don't hurt like this if you don't care about this team, about this country, about this game. You can feel the intensity, the goals, the energy that, wow, look at us. Here in the U.S., I have got some news for you. There's so much more to come. My name is Megan Klingerick, and we're just getting started. The U.S. Soccer Podcast, presented by Henkel. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. form.