Not So Fast: Will Trump’s Hamas Deal Come Through?

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Happy Friday. Yes, I am, Ross Kaminsky. Thanks so much to the whole Guy Benson team for inviting me back. Thanks to those of you listening and sharing a little of your day with me. I'm very grateful for that. And let's just jump right in with a very special guest. I will say to me the thing that really comes to mind when I think about my next guest is that he's the guy who taught me that the best cheese curds squeak. But that's not probably why you know him. Senator Ron Johnson from the great state of Wisconsin joins us to talk about very, very many things. He will be or is the new chairman of the Senate Budget Committee after the untimely passing of Lindsey Graham. He was involved in that crazy, although perhaps not so informative hearing with Dr. Anthony Fauci the other day. He is former chairman of the Homeland Security Committee. Lots and lots to talk about. Ron, it's very good to talk to you again. Thanks for making time for us. Well, Ross, and before I depressed your audience with the truth and reality, I just have to relay a story. I got back into Wisconsin last night and it didn't make much news, but there was a devastating tornado to hit the Needham in Asher area on Monday. And, I mean, there are parts of it just devastating as an EF3. And so I finally got to tour that. In the midst of just the heartbreaking devastation, it was just heartwarming. The way the community came together, all the volunteers, the organization is handing out food, handing out water, cutting up trees, helping people out. There was, I saw a house that was only rubble. And the mother and her children walked out of that rubble. Basically, I'm injured. And what's a miracle about it, Ross, is not one person died. There wasn't even a serious injury amongst all this devastation caused by a tornado. But again, there are heartwarming things. And you know this. When tragedy hits America or an American community, that's where America shines. That's where we see the goodness of the American people. And I saw it in spades this morning. Wow. I had not heard that story. As you were speaking, I went online and looked at some of the pictures. That is some very serious tornado damage. I don't normally think of tornadoes that far north. So it's surprising in that sense as well. I'm so glad to hear there were no serious injuries or deaths. That really is remarkable. Do you know, Ron, if the people in the area had some warning that it was coming? Yeah, they probably got five to ten minutes. You know, their cell phones went off. They had sirens. So that's how most people escaped. They got into their basement. So that one mother only got into a closet. Again, I've got the picture posted on my house account. It's just rubble. And I talked to neighbor. I talked to the neighbor. She ran over their house and then went to their basement after a tornado exit. So again, it's just, it was unbelievable. And yeah, go online. Again, it did not make national news because. Nobody did die. Nobody was seriously injured, but it's just devastating in ground zero.

Right. And, you know, for listeners, I just typed in Wisconsin Tornado and all kinds of news stories came up. And that's amazing, really, like a miracle that nobody died when you see a picture of the devastation. Remarkable. And thanks for sharing that with us, Ron. Somehow I did miss that story. All right, let's talk about a couple other things. We'll get to Anthony Fauci in a minute. You are now after... As I said, the untimely passing of your colleague and friend, Lindsey Graham, the chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. And... One of the things I've always appreciated about you so much is that you want to do everything within your power, which is, you know, more than most people, but not that of king, to reduce the budget deficit and debt. And one of the things that keeps coming up lately is this idea of spending offsets, which I know you're in favor of, but we, you know, we're talking about Republicans now increasing the debt limit. So I'll stop talking, just throw this open to you. How should we think about what's going on with the debt limit and debt and spending? And will the fact that you become chairman of the committee increase the chance of getting things like spending offsets, which maybe, by the way, you can explain because I didn't say what they were? It'll increase the chance, but I'm not saying it's a slam dunk reality. First of all, we did get a secure briefing by Secretary of Defense Hague this week. He makes a very convincing case that we better spend more on defense. And, of course, the president's proposing other $350 billion. This reconciliation 3.0, we're looking about 60, which is probably inadequate. The Defense Department is doing an awful lot in terms of streamlining, looking for the private sector, you know, innovators, you know, like Elon Musk, dramatically decrease the cost of a launch. We're trying to do that across the board in terms of defense. But we have to be the real estate from a standpoint. This is a dangerous world, and we've got a global competitor, China, that is massively increasing. It's a military might and its military assets. So you start there. We've never paid for... a defense supplemental. Certainly not when our men and women are in harm's way. And we've lost, unfortunately, 18 of them since the military action started in Iran. 200 billion dollars for Ukraine, we didn't offset that. But be that as it may, I'll do everything I can to offset potentially other spending. There's in this reconciliation that the White House requested, there's about $10 billion for election integrity. There's about $12 billion for farmers. I think it's $10 billion for an intelligence committee. So we do have potentially offsets available. We've got committees that are going to be instructed that have the capability of doing offsets.

So there will be a pretty big demand by fiscal conservatives on the budget committee in the House. So we're going to pass these things. We're going to have, I think, a bigger voice than we normally have had in some of these budget reconciliations. But my role is different. I'm now chairman of the Budget Committee. I have a responsibility to the conference, to the White House, to our conference to make sure that we actually accomplish this. And so I'm going to be doing everything I can do. to pass this to accomplish what's achievable. All right. We'll see how it goes. I'm glad you're there. I'm sorry about the way you got there, but I'm glad you're there. I think you're the right guy for that job because you really are a deficit hawk. And unfortunately, you know, you get outvoted a lot so you don't always get your way, which is also my way. But we'll take what we can get. So let's switch gears here and talk a little bit about this Anthony Fauci hearing. And for listeners who might have missed some of it, I just want to give you a little taste of what happened kind of over and over and over earlier this week. Clip 26, please. So I would want to know, you know, to what extent were you involved in sabotaging hydroxychloricine, Ivermectin, and did you do that because you knew the only way you get an emergency use authorization for these drugs, these experimental gene therapy, was if there was no effective treatment, you couldn't get the emergency use authorization. So is that why you help sabotage? These cheap generic drugs in favor of remdesia, which, by the way, nurses, are you aware the fact that nurses called it run, death is near? On the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. So I heard from a couple of different news reports that Anthony Fauci gave that answer 111 times. And Ron, when you were going into that, a day or two before that hearing, I remember you saying that you didn't think you were necessarily going to get a lot out of him. I kind of thought you would get a little more than that. What did you expect? And what was your takeaway? Well, we certainly should have gotten more. There are so many questions that the American people deserve answers to, and Anthony Fauci is the only one that can answer many of them, and he climbed up. Now, again, I understand why he did, because if he told the truth... It just further incriminate him. It completely destroys his reputation if he told the truth. If he lied, he would put himself in greater legal jeopardy. So my staff definitely anticipated he would do exactly what he did. He's not out of the woods, not by a long shot. We'll hold a...

vote on contempt of Congress. Again, will that pass the Senate to actually get sent over to the Justice Department? I don't know. But he faces potential legal jeopardy. I know Tommy Tuberville, who's running for governor of Alabama, his pledge he'll bring. Anthony Fauci into court every day until he's held accountable. So he's not out of the woods, but, you know, for a megalomaniacal narcissist like Anthony Fauci, the most you can do, the best thing you can do in terms of accountability is destroy that reputation. He paid a heavy price on Wednesday. That was not a good day for Anthony Fauci. Couldn't agree more. He paid a very heavy price. And I think a lot of people, especially, you know, people on talk radio and so on, are looking at the political aspects of this and Democrats think Anthony Fauci's a hero and Republicans think Anthony Fauci is a villain. But I want to go back because I think the most important thing is actually what you said a moment ago, what you started with. There's so much that the American people deserve to know. that Anthony Fauci knows, and maybe nobody else knows, and certainly nobody else knows as much in one brain. And I think it's a shame, a tragedy. I don't know if tragedy is the right word, but it's really bad for our country that he won't answer these questions. Well, again, one of the reasons I keep pursuing this. Two main reasons is nobody's advocating for the injection injured. These injuries are real. Our federal health officials knew them within three months of the emergency use authorization. They covered it up. They're covering up to this day, so these individuals can't get treatment. But also, we can never let this happen again. And Anthony Fauci did it with AIDS, you know, fear mongered, said, you know, this could spread it in a household. No, it couldn't. Again, he wanted to push a vaccine for AIDS on the American public. He's a vaccination program. He's always looked for a universal vaccination program three months before the pandemic said, you know, flu vaccine, you know, flu season just isn't enough to have a universal vaccination campaign. We need a pandemic. Well, he got it. And he used it and he abused it. But, you know, again, we can never let the loss of freedoms. I remember very early on, you know, we were in a Senate conference call with Anthony Fauci, when he's proposing these shutdowns, I asked him, Dr. Anthony Fauci, are you considering the human toll, the human devastation, the economic devastation of these contemplated lockdowns? These are brush-dressed when you're saying to have somebody else's department? I also remember when I made public statements saying, you know, we tragically lose tens of thousands of people on the highway every year, but we don't shut our highways down. It's a risk we have to take to have a society, to have an economy. And, of course, he went from the podium in the White House saying, oh, that, bad comment, that's way out there. No, it wasn't. It was a good analogy. And again.

We also know now from his diaries. Internally, he was thinking this might be like two times a bad clue season, which again, I'm not underplaying, but it didn't justify shutting down the economy, mandating these experimental gene therapy injections on the American public, telling all the lies he told, you know, masks on children setting them back, closing down school, setting them back years in terms of learning. I mean, a lot of them, the global public just wants to move on. We can't let them move on because we have to remember how devastating this was. People still haven't recovered to this day. We can't ever let it happen again. And when you listen to the way the scaremonger on hantavirus or, you know, another bird flu or, you name it, Ebola. You know, they're just trying to whip us into fear so they can take control of our lives again because that's what tyones do. They like controlling people's lives. Senator Ron Johnson from the great state of Wisconsin, the new chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. Always great to talk with you, Ron. Thank you so much for making time for us here on Guy Benson today. I appreciate it. Have great day. All right. So I always enjoy talking with Ron Johnson, an interesting guy. And I'll just mention also he's one of the few guys in Congress who has really, really significant business experience. You see a few of these guys. They start at a lower level of a company and work their way up and eventually become CEO and eventually buy the company, right? And that's what Ron Johnson did. And I think that level of experience makes him quite good on many of these issues. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed that conversation and found it enlightening. I did. I'm Ross Kaminsky in for Guy Benson. Not the same talking points here. Guy Benson. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile. Now, I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills. But it turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch. Up front payment of $45 for three months, $90 for six months or $180 for 12-month plan required. $15 per month equivalent. Taxes and fees extra. Initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy. See terms. Go ahead now. All right. I'm Ross in for Guy Benson. Thanks for spending part of your day with me. What a great conversation we had with Senator Ron Johnson. A little bit later in the show, we've got Shannon Bream. That's going to be very exciting as well. And then later we'll have a guest talking about hospital pricing, which I think a lot more people care about. Once you hear about what's going on, you will care a lot. I want to talk a bit, and I may do this more than once today because I think it's so interesting and important, about what's going on in the Michigan. Senate race. So in the Michigan Senate race, you've got Abdul El-Sayed, who says he's not a socialist, I think he is. And he was a little upset, and I'm not being sarcastic here, he seemed a little upset when the Ayatollah in Iran was killed.

Of course, he's in Michigan, which is a state that has a very large Muslim population, so maybe that serves him well politically there. I don't know. For me, that seems disqualifying. He's up against a woman named Haley Stevens, who is a member of the House of Representatives, who has way, way more money behind her than he has behind him. But all the recent polls show him ahead significantly, and including an Emerson College poll that came out a couple of days ago that has him up by. 16. So that's a rather remarkable thing. Now, Bernie Sanders has some thoughts about this guy. Let's hear a little bit. Clip 15, please. What some of them say makes them nervous is that if he wins, they fear he will lose to the Republican come November. But that's what they always say. And that's their line. But you're not worried about that at all? Look, I want to see if the Democrats control the United States Senate. Where we are aligned is we all want Democrats to control the Senate. We want Democrats to control. the House we want to neutralize some of Trump's disastrous, or as many disastrous policies who can. On that, we are aligned. But philosophically, we have differences of very strong differences, is what kind of policies we want. So that's Bernie Sanders, the old socialist who won't go away on CNN talking with Caitlin Susan Collins. And. He makes a subtle but interesting point there that we're hearing more and more about. And actually this will come up in the conversation that we're going to have with Shannon Breen because she had a remarkable interview of some kind of senior person in the Democratic Socialists of America. And Bernie makes a subtle version of the same point. And that is that the socialists are not Democrats. They don't think of themselves as Democrats. Bernie Sanders is. literally not a Democrat, right? He is independent. And what he says, and I think it's very important to keep this in mind, he says, I want to see Democrats control the Senate. I want to see Democrats control the House. The point that these people are making that we should not forget is that they are using. the Democratic Party as a way to inject, you know, if you were a virologist, you'd call it a vector, as a way to get the virus of socialism onto a ballot, rather with on a major party line, not just some third party person that won't get any, any votes. The other thing that I'll just mention quickly in this Emerson College poll, they do poll Republicans. And it's important, I believe, that it. Actually, El-Sayed is far more ahead among Republicans than among Democrats. Why does that matter? Because they're clearly not going to vote for him in the general election, because they will vote for him in the primary because in Michigan they can. Michigan is an open primary. Republicans can vote in the Democratic primary. They will have to only participate in the Democratic primary. They can't do any Republican votes if they go that way. But I think we are going to see way more than we usually see of Republicans playing in the Democratic primary in order to nominate the person who they think is the weaker candidate. We will see how it all plays out. I'm Ross in for Guy Benson.

Filling in for Guy Benson, here's Ross Kaminsky. All right, yeah, that's me. I am Ross Kaminsky. Thanks for spending a little time with me today. I always appreciate your company, and I always appreciate the tremendous compliment of being asked back to fill in for Guy Benson, so it's wonderful to be here. A story that broke an hour and a half ago, and it's not the biggest story in the world, but this is a very... politically astute and engaged audience, so I thought I would mention it to you. Adam O'Neill, who was the editor of the Washington Post's opinion section, who was put into this job about a year ago, in order to try to bring the Washington Post editorial page and opinion section toward a more free market. kind of style, a more libertarian style, a more balanced style having not just liberals right or not just, or when you have a conservative having one who's not really a conservative or a libertarian, not really a libertarian. And this guy was brought in to really move the needle on the Washington Post. opinion section. And as of maybe an hour and a half ago or so, we learned that he has resigned today. And I really don't have much more to add to it. And there isn't a lot more in the news about it. They just say it's his personal decision and that he's been thinking about it for a while. And he said it was best for him and his family. But that's all pretty generic stuff. So I just thought I'd let you know because I realize that like me, probably many of you, used to respect the Washington Post and the New York Times. Now, I'm talking about a long time ago, okay? And then over the years, for those of us who kind of value straight news on a news page and leave the opinion on the opinion page, that kind of thing, a lot of these big newspapers around the country drifted away from the way we thought they should behave. And then Jeff Bezos recently bought, not that recently anymore, bought the Washington Post and was trying to move it in a different direction. He frequently expresses a little exasperation with it and talks about how much money he loses because of it. But in any case, I thought this guy O'Neill seemed like an interesting choice, kind of libertarian. In any case, he's gone. All right, let's move on to some. Foreign policy stuff. So yesterday, President Trump made a very interesting announcement on social media. And I'm going to just share some of this. Who knows? Maybe I'll share all of it. But let me get started here. He posted this on truth social yesterday. Today, the Board of Peace reached a historic agreement for the complete disarmament of Hamas and all other armed groups in Gaza. That second part, actually, very interesting and all other armed groups in Gaza. I'll come back to that. This is a monumental step toward lasting peace and security. This agreement is a critical step toward Gaza finally being governed by a new Palestinian government that will work closely with the Board of Peace to help the Palestinian people. At the same time, Israel will have the security it deserves, with Gaza no longer used as a base for terror attacks. And then I'll kind of skim here a little bit, but he talks about it being a major model.

He talks about how there was a year ago an ongoing violent raging war and humanitarian crisis and that there's now historic progress. And then he wants to thank a few countries, Egypt, Qatar, Turkey. And then he ends this by saying, congratulations to all, this is all caps now, all caps. Congratulations to all on this amazing development that everybody said could never be achieved. So I want to just talk about this for a minute. I sure hope he's right. I sure hope he's on to something. I sure hope there is a deal. But the way this is reported, first of all, Hamas hasn't agreed yet. And then Axios reports, and I'm quoting here from Axios.com, the deal requires Hamas and Israel to complete a complicated series of reciprocal and independently verified steps over roughly seven to eight months. So I hope this works, but what are the chances that it works? And here's how I like to think about this. Let's think about it in two parts. What are the chances that Hamas? signs an agreement like this. And then what are the chances that Hamas abides by their commitments within this agreement if they do sign? I think the odds of number one, Hamas signing, are pretty high. Because remember, Hamas is a proxy of Iran. And Iran understands, and Iran has proven, at least in their own minds and to many others, that unfortunately, and I know some big Trump fans won't like this, but President Trump has demonstrated himself to be easily manipulated by dangling accomplishments in front of him, where you say, oh, yeah, we're going to do peace now. We're going to do a deal with you. And Trump bites on that hook every time. He's like a fish who forgets that he got hooked last time. And you hook the fish and you're like, is that you again? And then you throw him back and you put another worm on there and you catch the same fish. So. I think that Hamas will sign because it's actually a good way for them to further draw out whatever their current plans might be, whatever they're trying to work on now, if they're trying to rearm, which wouldn't be easy right now, but maybe not impossible. So I think the odds are kind of high that Hamas would sign onto the agreement. But then will they abide by their commitment? At that point, I think the odds of that, I think we'd be lucky if the odds are 10%. And the metaphor that I like for this is Lucy and the football. Hamas is Iran. Iran is Lucy. They've done it over and over and over with the football to Donald Trump's Charlie Brown. And for those people who aren't old enough to understand what I'm talking about, I'll just explain it real quick so that.

so that Dylan and Joelle will understand, so the kids will understand. And that is, that is, Lucy always does this thing in the old school Charlie Brown cartoons and the television specials, the Thanksgiving specials and so on, where she pretends to be a place kicker, she's got a football, she tells Charlie Brown to come kick the football, and then every single time, just as he's about to kick the ball, she lifts it up and out of the way, and he kicks through just air. and falls flat on his back. And it happens over and over and over again. And no matter how many times she does it, she's always able to con him into thinking she won't do it this time. And Iran and Hamas now are Lucy and Donald Trump is Charlie Brown. Or is he? I don't know. We'll have to see. I guess. I would have preferred if he had not offered such a triumphal statement about this amazing thing they've done coming up with this plan. before Hamas has even signed onto the plan. And again, I don't think Hamas will abide by the plan, but at least I probably would have waited until they signed it before saying more. Now, I would like to get a little audio here from General Jack Keane, who I think is one of the most interesting thinkers about all geostrategic. things going on in the world, and military as well. And of course, this is both. The whole Gaza thing is both political and military. Let's have a listen to clip two. This is a huge step forward. I mean, clearly this goes back to October of 25 when President Trump broken the deal. Remember, to get the hostages out in exchange for prisoners to go to a ceasefire. and also to get humanitarian relief in for the Palestinian people. And then they put together a framework going forward, which would eventually get Hamas to disarm, give up political and military control, and Israel would pull out of the Gaza area. And, but of course, Hamas has been resisting all of that for months since that time. Nine months have passed, but the persistence of the Trump team here deserves a lot of credit and also Asia participating Turkey and Qatar in this. So I agree with him. Everybody deserves credit. And I hope it works. I'm a little skeptical that it will work, but you have to try. I mean, that's a mess over there. It's been a mess for a long time. And if you don't try something, it's not going to get better. It's better, you know, it's better after the war than before the war. But unfortunately, the thing that made the war necessary was one of the worst things that's happened in a generation or two or three.

So here we are. So I do share the generals. appreciation for the level of commitment to this that Trump and those other countries have shown, and we'll just have to see how it plays out. I just really hope that Donald Trump makes it clear to Hamas through whoever the intermediaries are that he's not going to be played the way Iran has played him, although I don't think Donald Trump would admit that Iran has played him. I think most people think they have. So we will see how it all plays out. Fingers crossed. Now, speaking of Iran. We got back to war with them over the last week or so after President Trump announced a ceasefire. And then Iran went ahead and, you know, what Trump called a surprise attack, attacked a U.S. base in Jim Jordan, also attacked a couple of ships, one of which was an American flag tanker in port in Egypt. And so Iran there is showing. Again, it's kind of an odd thing, but they're showing that they're not afraid of the United States of America, which is a strange thing for a country with a mostly decimated military to be saying through their behavior to the most powerful military in the world. They're not afraid. They don't think they've lost. They think they've tied or maybe even that they're winning. And my take on this is that. It will never be possible to make a deal with the Iranian regime. And in particular, I want to be very specific, it will never be possible to make a deal that the United States should agree to as long as Iran thinks they're winning. Because as long as that's the case or even thinks they're tied, they will never agree to the things that President Trump has said are absolute musts for any deal to end the war. So we're in this standoff, right? We think we're winning. They think they're winning. And there's not really much incentive right now for either side to do what the other side says they want. One of my favorite thinkers. about this is Brigadier General Tyker. And I think he is right on target, if you will pardon the intentional pun, with what we may need to do next. Clip one, if you would. I appreciate that we had to strike back because Iran tried to kill Americans in Jim Jordan a couple of nights ago. But I don't think more strikes on the same types of targets are going to change the strategic calculus of the regime. I think the president and his advisors need to take a step back and use fewer weapons against more significant targets like regime targets or economic targets to actually start moving the needle. Couldn't agree more.

And there's two points to what he said. One is use fewer munitions. We believe the public believes this information is classified so we don't really know. But the public believes that we are using up a lot of munitions here by the war in Iran. by supplying munitions to Ukraine, which I'm fully in support of, by the way. I'm not going to get into that today, but I think we should support Ukraine as much as we possibly can. But we need also our own supplies of all of these various kinds of munitions. I won't get into all the different kinds, but we need them. Because if it looks like we're running out of stuff... That would inspire our competitors or enemies to get a little adventurous. The obvious thing is, you know, when is China going to try to take Taiwan? And China is watching all this and seeing how we're responding in the sense of what are our intentions, what are we willing to do, and then also what are our capabilities. And when it comes to this asymmetric warfare with Iran... using missiles, rockets, drones, these small things, and sometimes fast boats, but not a big military. They're out maneuvering us or at least doing enough where they can essentially stop transit in the Strait of Hormuz. And it's a very challenging thing because we are prepared to fight huge wars with all kinds of bombers. And we have nuclear weapons, which we don't want to use, of course. We have all these things for huge old wars. But we don't yet have the things for modern wars using modern weapons with drones and on and on and on. And if you heard the conversation with Senator Ron Johnson. A little bit earlier this hour. One of the things he talked about was a briefing that he and other senators got from Secretary of War, A.K. Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, about some of the needs, the budgetary needs, because Ron is the new chairman of the budgetary committee, the budgetary needs of... the Pentagon. And one of the things that I really approve of with Pete Hegseth, like I'm kind of lukewarm on Pete Hegseth, but one of the things that I like is that he really is aggressively looking to modernize procurement, not only so that we don't waste so much money on systems, but also so that we don't keep buying old systems that don't really address the needs of war fighting today. We need more drones. We need more anti-dron technology. We need to be working with Ukraine on that stuff. We need to replenish our missiles and rockets. interceptors like Patriot, we need to do all of that. And we need to rebuild our own supplies so that our enemies and competitors won't think, oh, yeah, this is a good time to go try something because the United States is distracted and they don't have very many munitions anyway. So that's one thing, Tychert said. The other thing that Brigitte General Tykert said is we need to change the mind of the Iranian regime by attacking targets they care about. And I think that's a great point as well. Somebody's going to have to figure out.

What those targets are. That is above my pay grade, right? That is Joint Chiefs of Staff stuff. That is NATO Supreme Allied Commander, SentCom Commander stuff. That is Secretary of War stuff. What are the targets that will get the regime to change their mind and come to the table for a deal? Here's my prediction. There is no such target. Those targets do not exist. The only way to get this regime to come to a deal, I believe, is to kill them all and to keep killing them all until you get a regime that will reach a deal. And I have to say, I don't know whether that is doable without boots on the ground. And I strongly believe that President Trump does not want boots on the ground. So where does that leave us? I don't know. I got more questions than answers. I'm Ross Kaminsky and for Guy Benson. Filling in for Guy Benson, it's Ross Kaminsky.

I'm Ross Kaminsky and for Guy Benson. Thanks for spending a little time with me. Just do a couple minutes on this thing here, and then we're going to come back with the great chin and dream. So I don't know why I got this into my head sometime back. I like fast food. You know, when I'm busy, I'm moving around when I get some fast food. And I had this thought come into my head that... Taco Bell somehow was healthier than burgers. And then I did a little research on it, and I realized that that was completely wrong. And that I was looking at the tomatoes and the lettuce and the sour cream. What could be wrong with sour cream? And just thinking to myself, yeah, okay, that's probably, that's probably good. And then I'm looking at this one website. It's called worldatlas.com, a crunch wrap supreme combo. Crunch wrap fries and a 20 ounce soda lands at around 1140 calories. Now, let me just say, now that I've read that to you, that's exactly what I want to eat right now. So there's that. The reason I thought of that was this story at the Washington Post. Taco Bell customers returning after cyclo-spiriasis outbreak executives say, and the CEO of the parent company, parent company of Taco Bell is called Yum Brands, Y-U-M-Xclamation point, yum. An increase in brand love, he says. And so people are coming back. to Taco Bell after this whole thing where some people got sick and they traced it to the lettuce from Central Mexico that was going through Taylor Farms and then going to Taco Bell and yada, yada, yada. And they've been offering some discounts. They've been offering some sale items through the app and so on to get people come back, to come back. But I'll tell you, what occurred to me when I saw this. And now that I came to truly understand what's going on with Taco Bell and, you know, what's in the food. Look, I'm not eating Taco Bell because I want to eat. I want to live a long healthy life. I'm eating Taco Bell. Because it's freaking tasty. And even the Baja blast soda, yeah, bring it on. I'll have the diet Baja blast, but bring it on. So I am not surprised that people are going back to Taco Bell so soon while this outbreak is still going on because Taco Bell eaters like me, we weren't going anywhere. We weren't going there for our health anyway.

generation of conservative talk right here right now fair fun and backed by the trusted voices and reporting resources of fox news you're listening to Guy Benson and now here's your host Guy Benson Oh, hey, that's me. I am Ross Kaminsky. I'm in for Guy. Thanks so much for spending time with me. Very grateful to have your company. And I'm so excited for our next guest. Now, she's most famous as the mother of Biscuit. But she does some other things, too, that are probably worth mentioning. Not just her motherly duties. She is host of Fox News Sunday. She's Fox News's chief legal correspondent. Supreme Court reporter as well, the thing of her job that I'm most envious of. And bestselling author, including most recently, Nothing is Impossible with God. The companion workbook to that came out this week. I am speaking, of course, of Shannon, it's been way too long since I've talked to you on the radio. Thanks for making time for me today. Ross, my friend, it is good to be with you. And by the way, I have a few questions for you if you have time a little bit later. Yeah, okay. You want to do that later now? You want to alternate questions? We got to do the dog check-in. But I also need to know how your leg is doing. You guys, you got to know Ross sent me the most horrible, disgusting picture of his pickleball injury, and I've been worried about him ever since. Shannon saw the picture and said, I'll pray for you. And when Shannon says, I'll pray for you, she means it. And I said, I'll take all the help I can get. Nothing needed some prayer. It looked very painful. I'm off crutches two weeks ahead of schedule. I'm walking gingerly, but I'm walking, and my leg is in normal color now. Okay, good. Progress. All right. We'll get to the dog check in later. I was just kind of flabbergasted, but in a good way for... Public information when that Democratic Socialists of America guest you had, Megan Romer, was on Fox News Sunday. And how do I want to put this? She was. proudly espousing positions that I would have thought, at least in the not too distant past, that most people would have been a little ashamed of espousing. Now, you're not an opinion host, and I'm not asking you, you know, what you think of this or that position. But as a journalist, and we'll play some audio from that in a second, but as a journalist, what did you make of that interview and her willingness to talk like that? I loved it. Because so many people that I interview and you interview, I mean, they've got talking points and they're, you know, can be very cagey. They can get into semantics about what they really mean. I was like, nope, I love that she's coming on. We worked for weeks to get her to come on. And she was just being very truthful, which I wish all guests would be very truthful. And I thought, I'm just going to take through the list because sometimes people are like, oh, Fox is doing scare tactics. These people don't really think these things that I thought.

Okay, well, I'm just going to ask her and then we'll know exactly what the DSA wants and what they think. And so I loved her honesty. I loved it too. And for listeners who might have missed Shannon's show last Sunday, let's give you a sense of what she just described there with Clip 19, please. Okay, so we're going to put up on the screen a few of the things that are part of your platform. And I want to ask you, just give me sort of a true or false on these. Abolish the Senate. True. Okay. Replace the presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them. Yep. Abolish ICE. Absolutely. Abolish borders and give amnesty to anyone currently in the U.S. illegally. As a long-term plan, yep. Defund the Pentagon. Absolutely. Abolish prisons, at least in large part. Yeah, again, as part of a long-term program, yeah. Okay, so no prisons. Government or public ownership of most large corporations. Yeah, absolutely. Amazing. I'm wondering, Shannon, like when you asked the first question and she answered, oh, yes, you know, joyfully, she answered yes. That must have been an amazing thing, just like, especially the first question, because then you knew, like, she's actually answering. Yeah, I knew where we were going. And I'd watched a lot of her interviews, you know, before we had her on. Of course, we do all kinds of research. And I thought, you know, she's very openly talking to. what you would consider left of center, podcasts and publications. And so I thought, I wonder she'll be as open with us. And she was. So the minute she answered that first, you know, the one or two first on the list, I'm like, okay, she's really just going to own this entire platform. And then we can go back and dig into some of these things. But I thought, great, she's got a smile on her face. And I don't think she has any hesitance about it because clearly. There are people out there who agree with her who are upset with the current system, and her group has found a way to leverage that, to get increasingly more and more people to sign on with this and to vote, most importantly, to show up their very motivated voters. I agree. Look, I'm not with them on any of those policies, but I do understand why voters are frustrated with the system. I understand why voters on the left and the right think that the system works for the system and the parties work for the parties and yada, yada, and again, you're not an opinion host, and I'm not asking you to elaborate on that a lot more. But I will just say in response to what you said, I get it and I get why it's a target-rich environment for her right now. 100% because this is the same dissatisfaction that I think previous presidents and groups. And President Trump have been really good about dialing into when people are unhappy. We saw in the last major election in 24, our polling and our voter data showed people wanted major change. And we asked that question again. They saw that President Trump in 24 was going to be the one to disrupt, to get the economy back on track. And so, you know, you're a couple years in with the midterms. And the polling is the exact same. If anything, the numbers are even higher when we asked in the last couple of weeks, how much change do you want to see? Like some, a lot of change, significant change, radical change. I mean, those numbers are way up. So when people do not feel good about their personal financial situation, their ability to, you know, get an education, to put food on the table, to buy a house one day, or they're in the midst of trying to do that and everything seems more expensive.

It doesn't almost matter which party is talking to you. You're going to punish the one that's in charge. And currently that's Republicans. I couldn't agree more. And I would, you know, a lot of people. seem to be thinking that the rise of the DSA is some kind of reaction to Trump. And it's true that they don't like Trump. That's not surprising. But my frame for all this is that Trump himself is a reaction more than he is a cause to all this other stuff that you just talked about that's been going on for a long time. All right, let me switch gears with you. We got about maybe six, six minutes left or so. When you came out of law school, where did you work and what kind of law did you practice? I worked for a firm in Florida that all we did was labor and employment law. So I was practicing in Tampa, but we had offices in Miami and Orlando and Tallahassee, I think Jacksonville, too. So we were a boutique firm there in Florida. But if it was, you know, a discrimination case, a wage dispute, that kind of thing. That's what we did. So you know, because you and I text back and forth a lot, that I'm kind of a Supreme Court nerd, especially for a non-lawyer. Yes, but you could be. I feel like you have such nuanced questions back and forth with me. I'm like, you might as well have gone to law school. So my question for you then is you came out of law school and you didn't go into con law, constitutional law, right? You did this other practical stuff. So how did you go from that to caring so much about and knowing so much about constitutional law? Listen, I'm always learning, but it's the basis of what you do at law school. You're going to learn about the foundations and the framers and, you know, everything that underlies the American judicial system. I had a great class, my third year, one of my absolute favorite professors. And what we did was we were all assigned in this class to be one of the Supreme Court justices for various cases. And so it was a small group. And, you know, case to case, they'd be like, you're going to be Rehnquist or you're going to be Taft or whoever it was. And so you would get into the position of arguing the various positions of these different justices over time in a lot of these really big cases. And I was fascinated by that. And, you know, to cover the court, I would, listen, I get a bit of a heart attack watching the advocates go up there. It's terrifying in that little courtroom with these nine brilliant people looking at you. But I find such joy in covering it and hopefully making it so that folks at home understand what the case means for them. So I've obviously, well, I shouldn't say obviously, but I've never been in that room. And I've never heard anyone. Pardon? You've got to come visit. Because you know, they're very old school and that they do not want to feed or a camera in there. We have audio now because COVID made that happen. But anytime you want to come, please be my guest.

So you just described it as a small room. Can you just kind of paint that picture for us a little bit? Like, what does that room look like? Yeah, I mean, it's beautiful. It's got this big vaulted ceiling. There are beautiful freezes, as they call them, you know, etched out of the marble there. It's very beautiful and ornate, but it's not huge. It's not, you know, thousands of people. It's maybe a couple hundred can go in and listen to the arguments. And so, you know, the tables with the counselors and the attorneys and the teams. or just feet away from the bench. It's all very compact. And so it's a real fun experience to go. I took my mom one time when she was visiting, and it was kind of a really wonky case about these fights between these states over some railroad or something like that. It wasn't exciting on the content. But at the end of it, I started asking her some questions, and I realized she totally got it. She's not a lawyer either. But I thought, you know, I wish that more people would come and do the visit. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the easiest thing you've ever done in your life and 10 being so scared you would collapse as a puddle of jello, how would you be if someone said, hey, Shannon, I need you in there to make an argument in front of the Supreme Court? Short of it being like my husband or my mom, maybe a couple of my best friends, I would be like, listen, let me get you with Paul Clement. Let me get you with a really good successful Supreme Court attorney. I will tell you, I went to undergrad at Liberty University, and they've built a scale, like mock Supreme Court room. that advocates often will use that room to prep for their Supreme Court cases because you'll get the dimensions and the feel of where you're going to be standing and how you're going to be arguing. So they'll go and sometimes do moot practice runs to use that courtroom. I would definitely just lock myself in there until I had to make my argument getting pressed. All right. So we already know, I don't know if it's some or all. Actually, you should tell me that of cases that are coming up in the next term on the Supreme Court. So I guess my first question is, do we know some of them or do we know all of them not counting whatever comes up as an emergency? And then why don't you tell us about a couple that you think are going to be biggies? Yeah, you're right. So the term technically runs October to June or, you know, into July when they're getting the last of those decisions out. Well, you're right. The emergency docket goes year round. It's got a lot of criticism from those who feel like the court makes these hasty decisions without being fully briefed and having arguments. But they don't choose the emergency petitions that come to them. They just have to deal with what comes in the door. But the cases that they choose to take such a small percentage, they get thousands and thousands of appeals, take maybe 70, 80 cases a term. And probably the biggest one already on the fall docket is a big gun case. And it's about state and local bands on AR style or assault style assault weapons, semi-automatic rifles. And, you know, folks out there who know a lot about guns, these are very common. This is not, you know, some people will argue, well, if it looks like a military gun or something like that.

Almost every gun that's out there on the streets now is semi-automatic. That's just the way that works. But these, because of some of their physical characteristics, will be referred to as assault weapons. And so these state and local bans, the court's going to take it up and say, does that violate the Second Amendment to say based on the appearance or structure of a gun that you can't own it? I had the mayor of Denver on my show today. And Denver has had a quote unquote assault weapons ban for probably 20 years. And I actually bet him a beer on the show today. He's confident he's going to win because the federal government is suing Denver over that. He's confident he's going to win. I'm confident he's going to lose. I think the Supreme Court case that you're talking about is going to be the lynch pin on that whole thing. I'll mention one other to you. Connecticut and Cook County, so Chicago, which has been the birthplace of some really big gun cases that ended up at the Supreme Court, too. And by the way, you mentioned Denver. Colorado's got another big case out there. It has to do with the Denver Catholic diocese and some Catholic groups out there that are suing. over an anti-discrimination law that has to do with funding these preschool programs there in Colorado. And they're saying that they're being kicked out because of their religious beliefs on things like, you know, same-sex marriage and that kind of thing. And whether that's discriminated against them, against, on the basis of their religion. So Colorado, you guys have been front and center quite a bit at the court in the last couple of terms, and you will be this term too. Well, I'll add one more. There's a huge case out of Boulder, Colorado, where the city. and county are trying to sue Exxon and Suncor Energy, blaming them for climate stuff, and they're trying to get it into state court, and the energy companies are arguing there's federal preemption here, and it should not be allowed into state court. So that's a huge one, too. Yes, very big. And that's already on the docket. So like you said, they'll take more as the term goes along. They take a handful here and there. But, yeah, some big ones are already going to be teeing this up to be another big term. Wow. All right. Well, you're going to have so much fun with it. You know that I think that's the best part of your job, as great as being host of Fox News Sunday is. You agree? I totally agree. And I always love your take when you, you know, give me a little text. And after you've listened to the arguments or heard the decisions from the court, I'm telling you, you could be a lawyer. You might as well. You're very kind. I'll text you a picture of my dog later because we've got to go now. I'm going to count on it. Have a great weekend. Yeah, you too. Shannon Bream is host of Fox News Sunday. She's the chief legal correspondent for Fox News and their Supreme Court reporter, which, like I said, I think that's the greatest part of her job. I'm Ross Kaminsky in for Guy Benson. Keep it here. It's Ross Kaminsky. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here for MintMobil. Now, I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills. But it turns out that's very illegal.

So there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch. Upbound payment of $45 for three months, $90 for six months, or $180 for 12-1 plan required, $15 per month equivalent. Taxes and fees extra. Initial term only greater than 50 gigabytes, me slow when network is busy. See terms. Happy Friday. I'm Ross Kaminsky in for Guy Benson coming to you from Denver, Colorado. I'm just going to do a few minutes here on something that's not political and not economic, but is super important, at least to me. So I've got two kids. They are 18 and 20. The 20-year-old moved away already, and he's trying to figure out what to do with life. And the 18-year-old is going to go to college coming up. Well, actually, in just a few weeks, we're going to bring him to college. And the younger one has lived a life that is unfortunately typical of so many kids his age, kids whose educations were disrupted by COVID. Kids who grew up in an age of social media and online multiplayer gaming. And what I mean by this is that my younger son, most of his friends are friends that he has on his headset while he's playing video games. He has far more friends from playing Fortnite than he has from high school. And I think that's a shame. I also think it's fairly common. I saw a piece over at the Washington Times. And let me just share a little of this with you. I'm only going to do 90 seconds of it because I don't want to dwell on it. But just to get you thinking about it, if there's a young person, young adult, you can speak to. Behavioral experts are sounding the alarm about a rise in young adults staying at home on weekends to, quote, bed rot. in front of digital screens, a money-saving trend, they say, has exacerbated isolation habits formed during the pandemic. They quote a guy named Brad Wilcox from University of Virginia. He says, we are witnessing a happiness crash in America today, concentrated among younger adults who don't even leave home for free activities. He said it comes from less socializing and less dating, correlated with a rise in cheap digital entertainment that distracts them into a kind of social death. Now, this is a thing I could talk about for the whole rest of the show, but I'm only going to talk about it for another 45 seconds. If you possess or no. somebody in this age range like 18 to 29, something like that, who is living this kind of life where they're staying at home, whether they're saying it's financial or whatever it is, but they're staying at home. They're not going meeting people in person. They're not joining clubs. They're not joining groups. They're not doing stuff even when this stuff is free. You and I and all of us who are a little bit older and who grew up in a time when we didn't have social media.

And all that and online massive video gaming. Talk to them. Get them to leave the house. Get them to make a friend. Get them to go out on a date. Get them to live life. Guy Benson, sponsored by Previgin. Previgin, made for your brain. Well, thank you, Prevagen, for sponsoring the show. And we still have plenty of stuff to talk about from in the U.S. and around the world. And I want to just jump into this story that, frankly, I hadn't seen until today. Well, it's a fast-breaking story. Have you seen this news about these 50, 60, 70,000, I guess they're calling them migrants showing up in this little Spanish enclave on the... northern tip of Africa called Ceuta, C-E-U-T-A. And so this is a little Spanish, North African enclave that borders Morocco. And theoretically, they've got a border. A lot of people who come to this place actually swim there. And so migrants get, quote unquote, migrants. I don't know how you want to talk about these people. But they just showed up in these massive, massive numbers and overwhelmed. everything. And it really is an insane situation. Reuters says Spain said today, Friday, that it had reversed a huge rush of migrants into this Spanish enclave in North Africa with most of the more than 50,000 people who had crossed the border by land and sea already heading back voluntarily. Spain's interior ministry said around 50,000 people had crossed the border since yesterday morning. Can you imagine that? That makes the stuff we had going on on our border with Mexico look like nothing. They had estimated, I don't know if they're telling the truth. But they had estimated that of the 50,000 or so that came in, they estimate that over 40,000 have left by this afternoon. But it is nuts. The pictures are nuts. It was basically an invasion. Now, why did they think they could do it? Why did they think they could get away with it? Hard to know. Some people think that there are some, not quite coyotes like the whole thing we have with Mexico, but some kind of trafficking gangs trying to maybe overwhelm the Spanish defenses and hoping that once these people get into what is. officially Spanish territory, that they would then be able to get asylum or something like that. But Spain isn't doing that, which is good. But there is a lot to say about this. Let me also just give you one other quick thing. Some people are saying on social media and folks who have not paid too close attention to other things going on with Spain that.

The Spanish government granted amnesty to these people. That is not true. The Supreme Court of Spain did say that based on current Spanish law... Anybody who crossed into that territory by land can immediately be put back into Morocco. Anybody who crossed by C, if that person tries to go through some kind of process, they don't get amnesty, but they would go through some sort of legal process that would allow them potentially to make a claim for amnesty, but it doesn't mean they would get it. And I think what's happening now, because unlike what we saw it. with people coming up from Mexico into the U.S. A lot of the people coming up to Mexico from the U.S. were women, kids, family units. Yes, there were some single, quote-unquote, military age men, right? But a majority of these people who came into the Spanish territory were young men. And these are not people who know they have no asylum claim. They have no legitimate asylum claim. And they don't want to be stuck in this place. for weeks or months where they're not from in order to probably end up, very probably end up, just being sent back. So. If you hear anyone say that these people were granted amnesty and they're just going to be led into Spain, that part is not true. But that doesn't mean that this isn't an enormous threat, an enormous lesson. Remember, Spain is one of the most leftist governments in Europe. It's a socialist government, the Spanish president, and President Trump don't get along very well because, well, Trump doesn't like socialism. So Nile Gardner, very interesting thinker, A former member of British Cabinet had some thoughts about this. Clip 10, please. We're seeing, frankly, the future of Western civilization under threat right now as a result of mass migration, as a result of open borders, policies. And this is what happens, of course, when the left take power. And what we're seeing right now in North Africa, in Europe. is what would have happened to the United States if Kamala Harris had become president, actually. There's no doubt about it, actually. And we are seeing really, literally, in real time, the end of Western civilization as a result of socialist policies. So, yeah, I think that's about right. And another British citizen had something to say. His name is Jim Ferguson. He's a businessman. And he's running for office. I wouldn't call him a politician yet. He would like to be. But he had some interesting thoughts as well. Clip 12, please. A lot of people are arguing that this is by design. Perhaps it's to get votes. Perhaps it's to get them.

to remain in power. But it's quite unprecedented. And the European people themselves are seeing their communities overrun. This has been happening for a long time now. This latest episode in Theodos, Spain, I think, has brought it back into the focus again. And it's great that Fox News are focusing in on this as well. Up until quite recently, America had the problem at the southern border with the US administration under Trump. That has now stopped. So hopefully we can get some changes of governments. But Pedro Sanchez. is a far left socialist in Spain. And he's completely losing control, or it may be worse than that, it might be by desire. So let me chime in on that a little bit. We've heard that quite a bit about the left in the United States of America wanting open borders to get voters. Now, I do think there's maybe a little of that, but that's a very long run thing. And I think it's somewhat overstated by conservatives. I think there's a more obvious reason that the left. that Joe Biden just opened the borders. And Joe Biden didn't do anything to enforce the borders until towards the end of his presidency. And then he only did it because his advisors were telling him that he would lose the next election if he didn't. I don't actually think it's because they, I don't think it's primarily because they want more voters. It is, after all. against federal law for non-citizens, whether they are legal non-citizens like green card holders or illegal non-citizens, illegal aliens, it is illegal for them to vote in federal elections. There are some places that are allowing them to vote in their local elections. I don't care very much about that. I care a lot about federal elections. And I really don't think that even if Democrats were in charge... I don't think they would change that. I think there would be just a revolution in this country if they tried to let non-citizens and especially illegal aliens, but really any non-citizens, vote in federal elections. So instead, what is it? If it's not that, what is it? It's just that they don't believe in borders. I'm not being sarcastic. They simply don't believe in borders. They want the open border. They think everybody who comes here from somewhere else, especially every person who isn't as white as I am. And I'm pretty white. You know, my background is Eastern European Jewish, right? So I'm pretty pasty white. So they think that anybody who is noticeably darker skin than I am. you know, are great and they should just come here. Now, I'm not making racial generalizations. I am hugely pro immigration. I would like more legal immigration into the United States from everywhere in the world.

People who have real value to add to our country. And I do mean value across all skill sets. I don't mean only engineers and only medical doctors. I'm happy to get engineers and happy to get medical doctors. I'm also happy to get car mechanics. And I'm happy to get, well, I'm happy to get people who will go do landscaping or pick vegetables, the entire spectrum. So I'm for more of all of that. So I'm not making an anti-immigrant point. What I'm saying is there's a political point here where a certain segment of the American electorate and thereby American politicians. prefer people who are not Caucasian and just think we just need more of them. We just want more of them because we do. And this comes back to a conversation part of the conversation we had with Shannon Bream earlier this hour talking about her interview of this leader of the Democratic Socialists of America. Her name is Megan Romer. And Megan Romer was talking about abolishing. ICE, prisons, and borders. And they're serious about it. Now, they're getting a lot of attention because they're winning races, including where I am in Denver, one of these just evil anti-capitalist, anti-Semitic socialists, is going to be the next member of Congress from Denver. It's disgusting. It's embarrassing for Colorado. But it is part of a mindset where they deeply, truly believe there should be no borders. And the more that we can bring more people in who aren't white because white people are bad, according to the brain damage that they have been subject to in all of their fancy universities, they think it's a virtuous thing. So I think it goes beyond they want more voters. I actually think that's not even a big part of the plan. I think it is, in a sense, a form of racism. All right, let me switch gears here for a couple of seconds. I talked earlier. about the Michigan Senate primary that's coming up next week. I want to talk a little bit about the Texas Senate general election, not coming up until November, like all of our general elections. But there's an interesting thing going on there right now. Now, we have talked a little bit about the path for democratic control of the Senate. And folks have been thinking that Democrats cannot take control of the Senate if they lose Michigan. And that is a reasonable thing to say if you assume that Texas will remain Republican, that this Texas Senate seat will remain in Republican hands. I don't know if it's safe to assume that anymore. Now, let me be very clear. Democrats have daydreamed about

winning a Senate seat in Texas for a long time. And there is often a certain kind of mirage that shows up in Texas polling that shows Democrats close or ahead or just barely behind, but then they lose by more. And that's generally what happens, although Ted Cruz only beat Beto O'Rourke by a little bit. I don't think Republicans can ignore the recent polling in Texas that showed They're somewhat odd and distinctly un-Texan in the sense of being unmanly and not vegan but likes all that stuff. James Talarico, a recent poll showed him up by a few points on Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who everybody knew was a weak candidate. He's really... truly, deeply corrupt. He's corrupt in politics. He's corrupt in business. He cheated on his wife, even while spouting all this stuff about how much of a man of faith and family values he is. Everything about Ken Paxton is wrong. And Texans made a big mistake in nominating him. But again, as I said earlier when we're talking about the socialists, I understand why people are so mad at the establishment, mad at John Cornyn, the incumbent senator, who's quite a good senator. He's less Trumpy, less maga than Ken Paxton. But he's good. The thing is that John Cornyn would easily beat James Talarico. Ken Paxton could lose. Larry Sabato, who was one of the truly excellent political analysts in America, was on CNN talking about this. Clip 17, please. I've been around a long time, and since 1994, I've gotten call after call virtually every day from Texans and politics on the Democratic side saying, this is the year. We're finally going to do it. But you know what? I'm starting to believe it's actually possible this year. just because James Talarico is a great candidate, which he is. But Ken Paxton is so awful. And I'm sorry to use that word, but, you know, we used to have a word a flaunter, meaning he's a sinner who flaunts the sin. And that pretty much has been the way Ken Paxton has conducted his public career. A lot of these donors won't touch him. Notice he's not doing well at all raising money. It's because they have family and friends and businesses to protect, and they really don't want to identify themselves publicly with a candidate who has Ken Paxton's record. So I agree with all of that, except I don't think James Talarico is a great candidate. But he's definitely not the worst candidate. He's a good enough candidate.

He won the primary, and in recent polling, he's ahead of Ken Paxton. But it's probably not that hard to be ahead of a candidate that flawed. So I will say James Talarico is an okay candidate, but being an okay candidate might be all you need. I saw one other report that said something on the order of 25% of Republicans in Texas are thinking that they might not vote for Ken Paxton. That does not mean they'll vote for the other guy. But you only would need a much smaller percentage than that, maybe a third of that, maybe a quarter of that, of Republicans in Texas to just say, we're not going to vote at all in the Senate race in order for the Democrat to win. And if that were to happen, perhaps there is a path that I would not like to see for Democrats to get control of the Senate. even if they lost Michigan. Can you imagine Republicans losing Texas? By nominating Ken Paxton, they sure are tempting fate. I'm Ross Kaminsky in for Guy Benson. Same issues, but with a fresh perspective. Guy Benson.

I'm Ross Kaminsky in for Guy Benson. Let me see if I can do two stories in two minutes. So you are probably well aware that President Trump endorsed Darlene Graham, Lindsey Graham's sister, to run in the primary to take that Senate job for the next six years after she was. appointed to fill out the rest of Lindsey Graham's term with part of the argument there being it wouldn't put a thumb on the scale in the primary, right? So whoever would be running in the primary wouldn't be the one holding that seat temporarily. So it would be a fair fight in the primary and nobody running as an incumbent. Well, for some reason, Donald Trump decided to endorse Lindsey Graham's sister Darlene. She said, all right, I'll do it. And what is interesting going on right now, It seems like there's quite a bit of pushback. And South Carolina, as Trumpy as it is, I think a lot of people there are not pleased with this. They don't want a dynasty. They didn't ask for her. And I think you should keep an eye on this. But I think this will be coming up in a couple of weeks. There's a very good chance that Darlene Graham does not win the primary in South Carolina. So just keep an eye on that. Just wanted you to make. Wanted to make you aware of it. Okay, this other thing I'm going to do really quickly. I'm sure you heard the story several days ago about a terrorist-affiliated Muslim in Berlin driving a vehicle into Berlin's biggest gay pride parade, basically. The New York Times tweet about it said this, and I quote, A car plowed through a park during Berlin's biggest LGBTQ pride event, killing at least one person and injuring more than a dozen others. And the reason I mention it, the pushback that the New York Times is getting for that, as well it should. is it's wonderful to see the pushback, but the idea that they're going to say a car plowed through, what about the person driving the car? They went so far out of their way, not to mention that he was a Muslim who had previously been accused of being associated with terrorism. Unbelievable. I'm Ross Kaminsky and for Guy Benson.

Raise your glass to Guy Benson Happy Hour. Brought to you by the Finnish Long Drink. Finland's most popular alcoholic beverage is taking America by storm. Visit thelongdrink.com. And now, here's Guy Benson. Happy Friday. I'm Ross. Coming to you from the home office in Denver, a pleasure to be back with you. Always such a wonderful privilege to be in for the great Guy Benson. We've talked about a lot of stuff on the show, a lot of political stuff. I want to dig into a little bit of health care with you. And an issue that I think many people understand once you mention it, but maybe they haven't thought about it very much. And before we get to my special guest, I just want to tell you a very, very quick story. So anybody listening to Talk Radio has probably heard of Rush Limbaugh. I was an occasional Rush Limbaugh listener once in a while. I happened to tune in to the show around, it was the very end of the year 2009. And there was a guest host filling in. And the guest host said that Limbaugh, who was on vacation, had gone to the hospital. Fast forward some days, Limbaugh comes back and he's telling his audience the story. And this is actually the show that I heard when he came back and he's telling the audience the story. And he said that he went to the hospital, he was having chest pains, and the doctor recommended doing some particular test. I don't remember what it was. It doesn't matter what it was. The doctor recommended doing some test. And Limbaugh asked the doctor, How much does it cost? And the doctor, I'll never forget this, Limbaugh telling the story, the doctor looks at Limbaugh and says, you know, nobody's ever asked me that question before. And that really struck me, and I'm not famous for having a great memory. That story is from more than 15 years ago. And I remember it clear as day. because it just encapsulated so much that was so wrong then and still so wrong now with our health care system. So joining us to talk about an effort to perhaps make things a little better with our health care system and specifically the cost and the billing and that kind of stuff is Cynthia Fisher. Cynthia is founder and chairman of patient rights advocate.org. They're a nonprofit that is... aiming to get government to do more to give us health care price transparency and to give power to American health care consumers as well as to employers who have to pay for so much of this. So Cynthia, welcome to Guy Benson. Great to talk to you. Great to be here with you today, Ross. So we're going to talk a little bit about something called the Patients Deserve Price Tags Act. Give me, before we start talking about what's in this act, a brief summary of the specific problem or problems that this legislation that seems like it might pass is supposed to address. Yes. Well, thank you.

have been, as you talked with Limbaugh's example, blind to no prices. Even the physicians have been blind to no prices by hospitals and insurance companies. And so this bill is to address the problem of us being non-informed as the true purchasers of health care or ill-informed and shift power to the patients to be able to have the power of knowledge. And when we can see prices, then we can benefit from competition and we can shop. But also, remember, probably the first place we will use these prices is when we get our bills. Are they true? Are they true to the price that our coverage or our health plan has... negotiated to pay. And, you know, the truth is in the numbers. So getting these numbers unleashes competition to see prices up front. And then when we have upfront itemized bills and payment accountability integrity, well, that stops the overcharges and fraud and errors that have run rampant, causing runaway costs of health care. The first time you and I talked was, gosh, it was probably at least five years ago. Actually, it was probably during the first Trump term. And you and I talked about federal regulation, not legislation, but regulation, that my recollection was supposed to more or less do the kind of thing you're talking about right now. So if there was that federal regulation, what's happened that has made it so that legislation still seems necessary? Well, you know, the reality is that the Trump, first Trump administration, when we first spoke, they saw that in existing law that had never been made in regulation or rule of law, we had the right to know all prices in health care. We're supposed to have all of that financial information at our fingertips with our electronic health record. And it has been decades since the right has been passed into law. And then the Trump administration... with regulations said hospitals and insurance companies, by law, starting 2020, hospitals and insurance companies were to show all of their actual prices. Well, guess what? They kind of gunked up the data when they did show the prices. They made the files extra unnecessarily complicated and big. And even instead of dollars and cents, Ross, the hospital started posting complex formulas and algorithms. Who wants to do algebra to try to figure out a price? So this patients deserve price tags act is to stop all of the shenanigans that the hospitals and insurance companies have been still trying to hide prices in the shadows and make them show in dollars and cents all of the actual prices up front and give us itemized bills and payment up front too that can be accountable to those prices. It's a big deal. It's really, really transformative. Okay, so let's dig in a little more to what this legislation will do if it passes. And again, we're talking about something called the Patients Deserve Price Tags Act. And I will note for listeners who kind of wonder where it's coming from, the two primary sponsors are Senator Marshall, who I want to say is from Kansas. I could be wrong. Who's a Republican.

Okay, and John Hickenlooper, who is a Democratic senator from my state of Colorado. So this is a bipartisan bill, and when you look at the longer list of sponsors, it includes plenty of Republicans and plenty of Democrats. I will say whenever Elizabeth Warren is on a bill, I get a little nervous. But tell me, tell us, what are the key provisions of this bill that you think will benefit health care consumers? I think the big thing is it makes every single provider of health care include all the hospitals and the insurance companies show the prices and it goes beyond the Trump regulations in that it makes every ambulatory surgical center, those standalone surgical centers in the communities and imaging centers like where you get an MRI and laboratories. It makes them all show their actual prices. Okay, this is big because oftentimes in those outside of hospital care, most of them are very, very price competitive. Let me give you an example. In your very own city in Denver, one of the major hospital systems, the surgeon with a young woman who tore her ACL, quoted her that she would have $29,000 out of pocket for a $97,000 surgery for an ACL repair when she pushed for prices. because she was on her parents' plan in Massachusetts. She was out of network. And so when she got that, she said, oh, my gosh, I'm going to wait and go home at Christmas and get my ACL repaired back in Massachusetts when it's going to be cheaper. The surgeon said, well, you know what? If you go to the surgery center, that's a standalone surgery center, I can operate and get it done for $7,000 there. Same surgeon, same quality. She loved her new ER. And that's right in your Denver area that this young woman then got her surgery at the standalone surgery center. So this bill makes everybody show their prices so that you and I and everyone can benefit from knowing them and choosing where we want the best quality of care at prices in advance. We know are reasonable and we want to pay. I'll add one more thing to that. So what you're talking about there is comparing one hospital to another or one place you might get surgery to another place you might get surgery that's still essentially part of the same organization. And that's great. I want to add another thing that I think this could do. I remember, and I think I told you this story years ago, I had to get an MRI in the hospital. And potentially I could have gotten it out of the hospital, but I wasn't aware of any of this stuff. So I got the MRI in the hospital. And I was billed something like $5,300 for it. And there's a standalone imaging center that's not part of the hospital that's literally across the street. And I thought, just for fun, I'm going to call them after I was done with all of this. I called them. And I gave them the exact code, so they knew just what it was that I needed. And I said, how much would that have been if I had just come in and paid cash for it for that thing the hospital charged me $5,300 for? And the answer was $500. And so it will also, should also allow. that kind of price shopping across different platforms that are a little more different from each other. Now, you and I have talked about this next thing I want to ask you about a little bit, and I'm still sort of troubled by it, just trying to work my way through it, kind of as a capitalist, libertarian, so on. And that is, I believe, and please tell me if I'm wrong, what this bill would require is that...

The cost for every listed code, procedure, treatment would not just show one price. It would show the cash price, the price for insurance company A based on their negotiation, the price for insurance company B, the price for insurance company C. Is that correct? That's absolutely correct. So you'll get to see competition on insurance plans. You know, every year we have insurance through our employer have to pick what kind of coverage we are going to choose for our family. But we have no idea today what prices we would pay or how those charges would work. But think about the power of this information being unlocked. from being hidden from employers and you and I is employers will be able to look at what is the normal price for that ACL repair. And they'll know that the ACL repair should be somewhere around $6,000, $6,000, $6,000, $7,000 and not as high as $93,000, right? And not have a big out-of-pocket co-pay or co-insurance for our workers and our members of our plan, our fellow families that are under that plan. So it's going to unleash competition and hold insurance companies accountable that they really are getting a good price. And what we're learning, look, Ross, what we're learning from the data that has been published by the insurance companies and the hospital so far is, wow, there are a lot of pigs at the trough. There are so many middle players that are charging with the carriers. as administrators, even for the big employers, that they're charging all sorts of other fees that sometimes the middlemen's fees, believe it or not, can be higher than what the provider originally build the plan. And you end up paying the middlemen two times more than the provider got. If you were a betting woman, would you bet that this legislation passes and becomes law? And if so, in what time frame? Yes, I think this year it is bipartisan supported not only in the Senate, but in the House. And the House has excellent legislation in their educational workforce that is allowing the employers to be able to do better plan design and get access to make sure that the payments are true to protect their families and workers with their plans. So this is big, and it also affects Medicare and Medicaid spending. So we believe very firmly that you've got bipartisan passing in the House committees and the Senate. And they're working hard now to try to get reconciliation of these bills and get them done by the end of the year. And we have the opportune time for prices to be revealed to everyone and payment and billing to be honest and true. There's a trillion dollars to put in to the economy every year if we get this done. Cynthia Fisher is founder and chairman of patient rights advocate.org. Thanks for your time and the great information, Cynthia. Appreciate it. Thanks, Ross. We'll just say this is a huge problem. It's a huge issue. Nobody knows the price they're going to pay when they go to the hospital. Nobody knows what to compare it to when they get a bill and see, am I getting the right price. I don't know that everything in this bill is perfect. There are aspects of it that concern me, including the fact that Elizabeth Warren is on it, but something's got to be done. I'm Ross Kaminsky and for Guy Benson. Filling in for Guy Benson, it's Ross Kaminsky.

Let's talk a little bit more. I know I touched on this earlier, but I think it's a fascinating political story. What's going on with the Michigan Senate race? So you've got this guy there, Abdul El-Sayed. And he claims he's not a socialist. I think he is based on the way he talks. He also was pretty upset when the Iranian Ayatollah was killed. So he's, let's say, terrorist adjacent. And just seems like an all-around terrible guy, as far as I can tell. He is up against a member of Congress, a house member named Haley Stevens, who has an immense amount of money behind her, all of the establishment support, all kinds of outside spending, outside groups, millions, tens of millions of dollars coming in to support her. Recent polling shows the terrorist-adjacent socialist who says he's not. way ahead. Now, who knows what it'll actually be? Who knows who's responding to the polls? There was one poll that just showed El Sayed ahead by 15 points. Other polls show him ahead, but by less. I don't think there's a recent poll that shows her ahead, which, by the way, as sort of a separate lesson, emphasizes the point that in politics, you don't need to have the most money, right? You need to have enough money to get your message out, but you don't need to have the most money. After all, if having the most money would have gotten someone to win a big office. Let's say president, we would have had President Jeb Bush and we would have had President Mitt Romney. Those guys both had a ton of money to spend and they didn't win. Now, There was a recent poll done by Emerson. And I think there's a fascinating poll, and I'll tell you why, there's an aspect, a couple little things in this poll that really jumped out at me. So El-Sayed in this particular poll by Emerson, it's just one poll, one day, one snapshot, actually it's over a few days, but it has El-Syad up by 16 points, 57 to 41. He's up by 15 to 16 among men and women. He is up by 44 among 18 to 29 year olds. Interestingly, in this poll, he's only up by 24 among 30 to 39 year olds, but 54 points he's up among 40 to 49 year olds. I don't know if that's true. That number seems like a little bit of an outlier. When you get to the older voters above 60. Stevens, the relative moderate, is ahead. The other thing that's interesting, and this is true of so many primaries where you've got a socialist in the race, the socialist has huge support from college grads who would know better if colleges weren't destroying their brains, and from white people, even though, with the exception of Graham Platner, who's out now. Almost none of the candidates we're talking about who are DSA candidates for Congress or the Senate. Almost none of them are white, but their supporters are. Now, that's very interesting, too. Here's the thing that I wanted to point out to you. And I have no idea how this is actually going to play out in practice. But by party, El-Sayed is up by only nine among Democrats. He's up by 26 among independents. He's up by...

30 points among Republicans. Now, this doesn't mean Republicans are going to vote for him in the general election. They're going to vote for Mike Rogers, the former Republican congressman who's running for Senate and would have a very good chance at winning if El Sayed is the Democratic nominee. So why are they even polling Republicans? The reason they're polling Republicans in this is that there is no primary for Senate on the Republican side. There is on the Democratic side. And it's an open primary state. So Republicans can choose, you don't even have to be unaffiliated or independent. A Republican can choose to participate in the Democratic primary. And they may well jump into this primary in big numbers to try to make Abdul El-Sayed the nominee, assuming that he will lose to Mike Rogers. And I think there's a very good chance of it playing out that way. Grab the popcorn. in for Guy Benson, here's Ross Kaminsky. Well, whoever that guy is, he's right. Welcome back to Guy Benson. I am, in fact, Ross Kaminsky filling in for Guy Benson. I don't know if that guy's psychic. Earlier today, we sat down with Senator Ron Johnson from the great state of Wisconsin to discuss a bunch of things, including his taking over the budget committee after the untimely passing of Senator Lindsey Graham and the Dr. Anthony Fauci hearing the other day. What a mess that was. part of that interview. So let's switch gears here and talk a little bit about this Anthony Fauci hearing. And for listeners who might have missed some of it, I just want to give you a little taste of what happened, kind of over and over and over earlier this week. Clip 26, please. So I would want to know, to what extent were you involved in sabotaging hydroxychloricine, Ivermectin, and did you do that because you knew the only way you get an emergency use authorization for these drugs, these experimental gene therapy, was if there was no effective treatment, you couldn't get the emergency use authorization. So is that why you help sabotage? These cheap generic drugs in favor of remdesia, which, by the way, nurses, are you aware the fact that nurses called it run, death is near? On the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. So I heard from a couple of different news reports that Anthony Fauci gave that answer 111 times. And Ron, when you were going into that, a day or two before that hearing, I remember you saying that you didn't think you were necessarily going to get a lot out of him. I kind of thought you would get a little more than that. What did you expect? And what was your takeaway?

Well, we certainly should have gotten more. There are so many questions that the American people deserve answers to, and Anthony Fauci is the only one that can answer many of them, and he climbed up. Now, again, I understand why he did, because if he told the truth... It would just further incriminate him. It completely destroys reputation if he told the truth. If he lied, he would put himself in greater legal jeopardy. So my staff definitely anticipated he would do exactly what he did. He's not out of the woods, not by a long shot. We'll hold a... vote on contempt of Congress. Again, will that pass the Senate to actually get sent over to the Justice Department? I don't know. But he faces potential legal jeopardy. I know Tommy Tuberville, who's running for governor of Alabama, his pledge he'll bring. Anthony Fauci into court every day until he's held accountable. So he's not on the woods, but for a megal maniacal narcissist like Anthony Fauci, the most you can do, the best thing you can do in terms of accountability is destroy that reputation. He paid a heavy price on Wednesday. That was not a good day for Anthony Fauci. Couldn't agree more. He paid a very heavy price. And I think a lot of people, especially, you know, people on talk radio and so on, are looking at the political aspects of this and Democrats think Anthony Fauci's a hero and Republicans think Anthony Fauci is a villain. But I want to go back because I think the most important thing is actually what you said a moment ago, what you started with. There's so much that the American people deserve to know. that Anthony Fauci knows, and maybe nobody else knows, and certainly nobody else knows as much in one brain. And I think it's a shame, a tragedy. I don't know if tragedy is the right word, but it's really bad for our country that he won't answer these questions. Well, again, one of the reason I keep pursuing this for two main reasons is nobody's advocating for the injection injured. These injuries are real. Our federal health officials knew them within three months with the emergency use authorization. They covered it up. They're covering up to this day, so these individuals can't get treatment. But also, we can never let this happen again. And Anthony Fauci did it with age. For the full interview, listen at Guy Benson's show.com, Fox News Podcasts.com, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Coming up next, it's the home stretch where we will talk about whether you really want to be getting your recipes from Robert F. Kennedy Jr.., the guy who's kind of famous for Roadkill. New talk for a new generation, Guy Benson.

it's time for your favorite segment of the day. Home stretch. It's basically the only segment I'm on, so I've declared it the audience's favorite segment. Guy Benson. Hey, I'm Ross Kaminsky in for Guy Benson. It is the home stretch. And you heard Cookie right there saying it's the segment she's in, but she's not in it today. I don't know where she is. Did she go back to Mexico? Guys, can you please tell me where is she? Because part of my joy of filling in for Guy is making fun of her. And now, well, I guess we still could. I mean, we never stop making fun of Christine here. Whether she's here or not. And I actually have no idea to answer your question where she is. I... Unironically, two weeks ago, she was in Mexico. That was a public trip. The public knew about that trip, but I'm sure she's down there anyways, maybe on a less publicized trip with her cartel friends. I'm not quite sure, though. Nobody knows where she is. It's a big mystery. And by Mexico, we actually mean... Down in Acapulco. That's right. Always. You know, when I was a kid, I was in Acapulco with my family on a vacation. It was a lovely town. And I've heard that it's actually kind of overrun with cartel and it's a dangerous place now. But it puts it a whole different. context if knowing now that I know, I didn't know this before, that Christine has those ties where she would be kind of protected if she would be in Acapulco. And there'd be some guys off in the distance with, you know, some hardware under their jacket just in case, you know, keeping an eye on her. I didn't know. She is the one of wearing the jacket with the hardware, Ross. I mean, that's her status. She's, she's El Hefe. She's the boss down there. Mm-hmm. All right. You guys both told me that you like cooking. And it was in the context of my mentioning to you this thing that you might have seen already anyway, but Robert F. Kennedy Jr.., Health and Human Services Secretary, launching a cooking show. And it occurred to me like, Is that the dude, like roadkill guy, who we want to take cooking lessons from? I, I, I, when you, when you mentioned that angle, I had a laugh about it because I just, I, of course, I mean, it. At first glance, you're like, oh, yeah, the Maha guy's going to have a cooking show to teach us how to cook healthily. But I don't know if I really trust his diet after the whole, you know, there's the bear story of him dumping the dead bear carcass in Central Park. You know, there's the story his daughter told about the whale, the dead whale. I feel like maybe I'm missing one. But there's too many stories of him eating or handling carcasses of things he found on the side of the road for me to feel comfortable taking a cooking advice.

There was the barbecue dog that he said was a goat. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. He did say it was a goat. But here's the thing. If you were posing with the carcass of a cooked dog, wouldn't you say that it was a goat or something of the sort? Well. If I was in the U.S., yeah, probably. But what if, like, in our hypothetical, what if we're somewhere else where, you know, you're a tourist and you don't want to be the ugly American and you want to respect their culture, right? And they're like, yeah, we're having a rover tonight. And he's a good dog, but, you know, we're hungry. He's tasty. You want to try? You want to bite? Maybe. I might. I would accept that as a plausible scenario if the person in that picture was anybody but Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. But knowing him, I'm pretty, he was, I don't know if I could do this, but he was probably like, where can I find some dog? You know, he was probably walking around asking for it, knowing him. No. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so if you were overseas, you would eat whatever they gave you? No. No. No, of course not. I mean, you have to draw the line somewhere. Somewhere? I, I don't know what other. Dog doesn't seem like a very aggressive line. I mean, I have actually, I've been to New Guinea a couple times, believe it or not, including parts of New Guinea and the Solomon Islands where maybe not the people right now. But definitely, like, their dads not that long ago were headhunters and cannibals. I mean, it wasn't like their whole diet. But like, what if you went to visit? And it's like, this is our culture. We're barbecuing this up. I'm like, that kind of looks like a human arm. It's all right. It's all right. This is what we do. Would you have a taste? Of course not. I mean, come on. I mean, come on. I will try almost anything. That's my rule is like, No matter what, I will one bite anything. Even if I know I'm probably going to hate it, I'd rather try it and say definitively that I do hate it. But I, there is a limit to my role. I think, I mean, I would assume human would cross a lot of people's. Yeah, probably mine too. I'm just talking a good game. Probably. Probably. Probably across your line. Yeah, I mean, depends on who you're with. But, oh, I, that would be, that would be well across my line. I mean, I've tried a lot of crazy things. I've tried brains and testicles and inner. Testicles of what? Bull. Oh, Rocky Mountain Oyster. Rocky Mountain Oyster from your neck of the woods. Yeah, so I've had that. I went on safari. This is years ago. I'm really not a hunter, but I went hunting in South Africa and we shot an Impala and barbecued his balls. And they were really, really good. I bet. You killed an Impala in South Africa? Yeah.

Not hard to do. That's awesome. Is it? I don't know. I'm really not much of a hunter, actually. I don't think I would do it again. I'm not either, but I mean, I can't imagine that it's much harder to kill than a deer. And it's kind of out in the middle of nowhere, right? Where you're on the planes? Yeah, yeah, basically. Basically. All right. I want to read one thing that I got from that I got from Claude Artificial Intelligence here and dragged Dillon in about the Bear Cub thing. So he, and I'm quoting now from the AI summary of the story, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. said he pulled the bear into his van intending to skin it and put the meat in his fridge, which is legal in New York with a roadkill tag, but ran out of time before his dinner and flight. Your turn. I. I can't. I remember he and yeah, he just, there's a hundred, there's a hundred things you could have done with that bear carcass other than dump it in Central Park and put a bike over it to make it look like somebody had hit the bear with a bike. But I mean, Joelle, do you have anything on RFKs? bear incident you know guys i'm just trying to process what we've been discussing for the past three minutes and i'm just utterly flabbergasted right now so no i have nothing to contribute wait what's the weirdest thing you've eaten Honestly, nothing. I'm such a simpleton, guys. Like I sick to my usual courses. I eat what I eat and I eat what I know. That's it. Well, I mean, we got to get you, Ross, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. in a room. Right. And whatever he was holding, we can, in that picture, we can get some of that on the table. We can get some Rocky Mountain oysters. Possibly, I mean, Ross said possibly not human. So that's TBD. But we got to branch you out a little bit, Joel. We got to get you on some of these, some of this wacky stuff. Perhaps not still. No doubt. And Joel, you said you eat what you know. You said you eat what you know. In New Guinea, maybe you eat who you know. You know what? That's a great point. That's a great point, Ross. But that won't be meat in this lifetime. I thought so. Yeah. So meanwhile, this is called the real food show. And I don't know. I don't know. In all seriousness, not all seriousness. In just a brief moment of seriousness, I, I'm doubting they're going to have roadkill recipes. But. Just a slightly serious question, even though it's home stretch. Are you interested in what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has to say about cooking? And I'm not being sarcastic there. Like, you think you might check it out and see what he's up to? I mean, I'm interested. Yeah. I mean, what meals does Robert F. Kennedy Jr. eat on like a normal day? I'm curious about that. And I'm assuming he'll probably have like guest cooks on with him to.

help him cook or something like that. Maybe you. Maybe me. Robert F. Kennedy Jr., of all the things that I've said, and if you are still listening, if you were ever listening and are still listening after what we've said, I mean, I would love to cook a filet for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.. I would be a great story to tell. I think he's pushing seafood a lot. How do you feel about that since you're at-home chef, both of you guys? I love seafood. Oh, I'm a big. Big seafood guy. We eat a lot of, we eat a lot of fish in our house. My wife is actually Ecuadorian. And so they, they eat, they've had, she had so much fish growing up in their diet just because they are a coastal country. And so we've tried to incorporate that into as much as we can. I mean, we eat Ecuadorian food probably. And we take turns cooking it, but probably about once a week. So we're a very high fish content household. Can you cook Ecuadorian food? Are you good at that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I do it. I mean, I'm not as good as my wife is, but I try my best. I enjoy it. That's cool. Yeah. Very cool. Joel? I'm a big fan of seafood, especially in my household, my fiancee, and I both love salmon. So what I do is I make the salmon in the oven, put some freshly cut lemons on top of it, let it marinate, and then apply some Old Bay seasoning. That is the game-changing recipe right there. We're an Old Bay country out here, me down in D.C. This is, with Baltimore so close, we are in Old Bay territory out here. Pretty much every fish place you go to is going to have. obey everything all over the menu. Well, we'll see how Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s cooking show goes. And I wish him, I wish him well. It is, it's so easy to make jokes about it that, you know, we couldn't resist. Now, we got about two minutes left here. And I think, uh, you guys maybe wanted to ask me something about, uh, my show that I did here in Denver earlier today or specifically where I did it. Yes, yeah. So I know that you had mentioned us, and I think when we were doing some show prep from the show, that you were broadcasting earlier today from Broncos training camp, which I think is pretty cool. I think it's cool, too. So my home station is called K-O-A in Denver, and K-O-A owns the broadcast rights for the Denver Broncos. So we're out there every training camp. I'm not there every day of training camp, but I go usually once a week. I got to say it is really cool. And I know you love the NFL. I love the NFL. There is something about being there and watching these guys practice when I'm just a few feet away from them, you know, watching the receiver with the one-handed catch. They don't do real tackling in practice. So you don't get to see all that. But just the level of detail and intensity and coaching, it really is amazing. Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, I'm a Colts fan, our resident Jets fan, obviously. I mean, we've already touched on this, but she isn't here and is never here. But, I mean, I've had the pleasure of going to Colts training camp. And as a radio, not, I mean, I've been doing radio since I was 16. I, I.

would fan out so much being able to broadcast from a training camp. Like, that's so cool, especially for your team. Like, that is, that's awesome. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think the Broncos hopefully are going to be good this year. I know they'll be better than the Jets. Not sure. How's your team looking this year? Well, I mean, we just handed Daniel Jay Jones fresh off an Achilles tear $50 billion. So I, uh, not looking great if you ask me. I mean, some people are. higher on them than others, but I'm not super, super positive. But I do always, I mean, I would say the Broncos are probably a secondary or a tertiary team that I root for with the whole Peyton Manning connection from the Colts. So, I mean, I'm interested to see how Bo Nix ends up healing off of his late season injury, obviously, in the playoffs last year. Me too. Me too. All of Denver is, uh, Is awaiting that very information. We'll have to see how it goes. We have a really, really hard schedule this year because we did so well last year. But we'll see. I don't recall if we play the Colts. Anyway, always fun talking football, almost as much fun. is talking about Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s Roadkill recipes. I hope you enjoyed the home stretch as much as I did. Hope you enjoyed the whole show as much as I did. It is always such an honor and a pleasure to be in for the great Guy Benson. I'm Ross Kaminsky. Have a wonderful weekend. I mean, we never stop making fun of Christine here. Whether she's here or not.

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