All Talk with Kevin Dietz ~ July 23, 2026 ~ Full Show

Good Thursday morning and welcome to All Talk. I'm Kevin Deeds bringing you the latest headlines and the stories that everyone is talking about. One of the biggest legal decisions of the year in Michigan came down and it's going to change how police do their job. Here's what happened. The Michigan Supreme Court ruled that police officers can no longer search your vehicle simply because they smell marijuana or suspect you've committed a civil marijuana violation. The case involved a young driver who was pulled over for speeding. The state trooper smelled marijuana, discovered both people in the car were under the age of 21. And one passenger admitted she had a small amount of marijuana. The trooper searched the vehicle and found a concealed handgun. That discovery led to criminal charges. The question before the Michigan Supreme Court wasn't whether the gun was illegal. It was. The question was whether the search that found it was constitutional. In a five to two decision, the court said no. The majority wrote that since Michigan voters legalized marijuana and reduced possession of small amounts by people under 21 from a crime to a civil infraction, police must now have... probable cause to believe an actual crime has occurred before using what's called the automobile exception to search a vehicle without a warrant. The majority essentially said this, a civil ticket is not enough to justify a warrantless search. The smell of marijuana alone or even the admission that someone has a small amount is not enough unless officers have reason to believe they're dealing with a criminal amount of marijuana or some other crime. The justices based much of their reasoning on the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches. They argued that when Michigan voters chose to decriminalize certain marijuana offenses, they also reduced the government's interest in conducting intrusive searches over those minor violations. But there was a strong dissent by the conservative justices on Michigan's left-leaning Supreme Court. Justin Brian Zahara argued, the majority is creating a rule that has never existed before. He said officers shouldn't have to determine exactly how much marijuana is inside a vehicle before searching it. If an officer smells marijuana, knows nobody in the car can legally possess it because they're under 21, and one person admits marijuana is present, that's enough probable cause to search. He warned today's ruling will make policing more difficult and could allow evidence of more serious crimes to be missed because officers' hands are tied during traffic stops. Imagine an officer, he says, pulled over two 19-year-olds, smells marijuana, and one admits the marijuana is in the car. Under the ruling of the new law of the land, that alone is not enough to search this car. If there's a stolen gun or fentanyl, a dead body in the trunk, the officer might never find it. The dissent says police shouldn't have to guess whether it's a civil amount or criminal amount before they're allowed to look.

Before you run to your sides of the aisle and say, look at what the left-leaning court did, you should know this. Michigan isn't really breaking new ground here. If anything, it's joining an emerging trend as more states legalized marijuana, more state Supreme Courts are saying the smell of marijuana alone isn't enough to justify a warrantless search. The thinking is simple. If something can be legal, its odor doesn't automatically mean a crime has been committed. This decision isn't really about marijuana, ultimately. It's about where we draw the line between individual privacy and police authority. For drivers, it means stronger Fourth Amendment protections during traffic stops. For law enforcement, it means a higher legal hurdle before searching a vehicle. But I'll leave you with this. For everyone else, it is an important reminder that when voters changed the law, as Michigan did with marijuana, the courts often have to redefine how police enforce that law. So the decision will likely change police procedures across Michigan beginning today. And you can be sure prosecutors, defense attorneys know the tables just turned. Country Music superstar Morgan Wallet is expected to bring roughly 150,000 fans to Michigan Stadium for two concerts this weekend, generating an estimated $4 million for the University of Michigan. The shows follow Zach Bryan's record-setting Big House concert last year, which earned the University about $1.6 million, and proved the stadium could become a major concert venue. University officials are increasingly turning to large-scale concerts as college athletics face new financial pressures, including revenue sharing with athletes following the NCAA's landmark settlement. Combined, the Bryan and Wallen concerts are projected to generate $5.6 million for U of M. Michigan officials believe hosting concerts at the nation's largest stadium creates a valuable new revenue stream while attracting major touring acts to Ann Arbor. Wallen's concerts also highlight his continued popularity despite several high-profile controversies that have done little to slow his record-breaking success. OpenAI says it's still investigating what caused an unprecedented cyber incident involving two of its most advanced artificial intelligence systems. Marie Osborne is following the story and joins us now. Good morning. Hi, Kevin. The company says the AI models broke out of a controlled testing environment and carried out a cyber attack against AI startup hugging face. According to OpenAI, the systems used stolen credentials and discovered a previously unknown software of vulnerability to gain the access to the company's servers. Open AI and the AI has been assigned to test cybersecurity defenses and was operating with reduced safety.

inside of a digital sandbox, so to speak. But investigators say the models found ways to connect to the Internet and obtain information without direct human guidance. OpenAI said its AI used stolen credentials and then again discovered this previously unknown vulnerability. Here's a quote. We consider this incident to be unprecedented cyber incident involving state-of-the-art cyber capabilities, and we are responding accordingly. That's from OpenAI. They said that in a blog post. In response to the attack, OpenAI said it has implemented strict controls on testing infrastructure, some of which will slow down its research. No major data loss was reported, but the case is raising some big questions, Kevin. Again, about AI safety. Well, this is the thing about AI because people are starting to dabble in AI and there's people I talk to. They're like, oh, that's really cool. How do you use AI? How do you use AI? They're like, wow, that's really neat. I'm going to try that. But in the back of our minds, we have this fear of AI becoming so powerful or out of control or thinking for itself that these are the kind of examples that kind of worry us. And we have to, I mean, maybe not even hope. need to kind of insist that safeguards are put in place. Absolutely. And here, I mean, this is the company that is open at AI, and they broke out of their parameters. I heard a comment on this that said that it would have taken a skilled human hacker several days to do. what this did in just a matter of hours. Yeah, OpenAI is chat GPT. Yes. Yeah. And so that is like one of the biggies. And it's like when they lose control of their AI, it's like, uh-oh. Yeah, it's one of those things. I think there's so much good that can come from it. But we really have to have to slowly go into this and keep our eyes and ears open on this thing. And the guardrails just have to be there. We have to understand and have... them there. I know. And they say, well, but we can't let China get ahead of us. Well, we can't let AI get ahead of us. All of us, right? All of us. Exactly. Marie Osborne, thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah. Difficult story here. Three men were injured in a stabbing Tuesday afternoon inside the MGM Grand Detroit Casino following an altercation. According to Detroit Police, officers responded to the casino on 3rd Avenue around 1.30 p.m. after receiving reports of the incident. Police said all three men suffered stab wounds but are expected to survive as their injuries were described as non-life-threatening. Two men identified as the alleged attackers were taken into custody at the scene. Investigators have not released the identities of the suspects or of the victims. The Detroit Police Department says they are investigating and the investigation. continues. All right, after the break, give us a call. 1,800-859-0-957, 1-800-9-0-WJR. We are going to have Bridge Michigan reporters here for the next half hour. Lauren Gibbons and Kelly House are here. And what they've been doing is fact-checking the Senate race here in Michigan. And we're going to take your calls on it. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz.

It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deeds coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number is 1-800-8559-0-9-7, 1-800-9-0-WJR. We want you to pick up the phone. Give us a call, give us a text, and be a part of this conversation. Michigan's U.S. Senate race is becoming one of the nastiest and most expensive in America. Millions of dollars are being spent on TV ads, social media, and mailers, and nearly every one of them makes some claim about the candidate's records. Did Abdul El-Sayed really support defunding the police? Are Republicans secretly trying to help his campaign? Did Haley Stevens actually help save 200,000 auto jobs during the Obama administration? And our ads using Barack Obama giving voters the false impression that he's endorsing one candidate over another. Bridge, Michigan has been digging through the ads, digging through the records, digging through the facts to separate what's true from what is misleading. And I'll talk on WJR has teamed up with Bridge, Michigan to amplify their work this morning. We're joined by Laura Gibbons, who covers state politics and policy and Kelly House Environmental Reporter, and one of the reporters leading Bridges Election Fact Check Project. Good morning. How are you? Absolutely. Absolutely. What are your initial thoughts on what voters are being told versus what the facts are kind of overall? I think generally speaking, we are seeing a ton of outside spending in this race, which means voters are getting mailers into their mailboxes. They're getting ad after ad on their TV screens. And it's just one of those things where some of that stuff might not be wholly accurate. And I think, I think generally speaking, as we've dug through the facts, you know, some of those claims are a little overblown. Some of them, you know, are pretty close to accurate. It just kind of depends. And it's really important for voters to really do some research on the candidates themselves outside of the media that they're seeing. So talk a little bit about Bridges' fact-checking process. How do you determine whether a campaign claim is true, false, or somewhere in the gray area? Yeah, so we really take a lot of time to go through the facts, especially if there's a specific claim about their background or, you know, another opponent makes a claim about them. We do a lot of research. We look for previous coverage of that event, go back through maybe talk to people who were involved at the time and really spend a lot of time figuring out what exactly is. the case. And a lot of things sound pretty good and pithy sound bites, but maybe that's not exactly what the nuance was a few years ago or even more recently in some cases what happened. Let's bring Kelly into the conversation. Kelly, you were looking into fact checking Haley Stevens campaign. Talk a little bit about what some of the issues that came up that voters wanted to know if they were true or not.

Well, both the Stevens and outside campaign. So I'll say a lot of my work built off work that Lauren has done as well. So I normally covered the environment. I've been pinch hitting on this. But, you know, we've heard claims. One claim that I looked into yesterday was Haley Stevens doubling down on this statement that she's the only non-millionaire. in the race. And it seems to be a way to sort of distinguish herself as her opponent, Abdul El-Sayed, is talking about how he is, you know, for working class voters and casting herself as more working class. But that's not a claim that can be independently verified right now. However, her opponent has not rejected it and in fact has said, you know, I might be close to the line if you add up all of my wife's and my assets every nickel and dime. So the way that we approach that is to go through and look at the financial disclosures that candidates are required to file. those don't pinpoint an exact wealth number. They pinpoint a range. And Abdul El-Sayed has not filed his most recent one. So, you know, we arrived at the conclusion that her claim appears as though it may be accurate, but. She hasn't proven it. He hasn't refuted it. All right. Let's talk a little bit about Abdul El-Sayed. Your reporting found claims about his support for defund the police were, I think you said, complicated or more complicated. What did you find out? Yeah, so that was another, you know, there have been. ads and and things of videos against him saying that, you know, he called for defunding the police. He did make those statements. He tweeted about it. He also spoke about it in interviews. But it's a little more nuanced in that when it came up during at least one interview that we reviewed, he hesitated to actually use that term and really wanted to focus on what he means when he you know, here's that term or says that term, which is, you know, reallocating some resources from jailing people for nonviolent crimes to other programs that he believes could, you know, end that cycle to begin with, anti-poverty programs, education, things like that. So it was more nuanced in that he did use that term, but often appeared to, well, did hesitate to use it until pressed. likely because, you know, that is a term that could be hot button. And, you know, he described it as a hashtag. He didn't want his stance to be boiled down to a hashtag. Lord, one of the interesting fact checks involved Barack Obama, ads featuring him praising Haley Stevens. What were you guys able to find out about that?

Yeah, I think that that one was particularly interesting because there are a lot of comments from the president being used on the campaign trail in some of these outside funded ads that especially I think, you know, Southeast Michigan voters are seeing right now. And President Obama did say these comments. It's praising Haley Stevens' past work on his auto task force. back in the late 2000s, but he didn't say that recently. Those comments were from a 2018 rally that I was actually attending, so I remembered him saying that. And this comment has come up frequently over the course of Haley Stevens' past campaigns. But a lot of critics have argued that using this now implies that President Obama has endorsed in this race, which he has not. And he also typically doesn't endorse in primary races for Democrats. He usually endorses, if at all, in the general election cycle. So that's a situation where, yes, President Obama did say those comments. It's been quite some time since he said those comments, and he has not endorsed in this contested Senate primary. Laura Gibbons and Kelly House, they are fact-checking for voters in Michigan. They work for Bridge, Michigan, and they're going to take your calls. Give us a call 1-800-8-9-057, 1-800-9-0-WJR. And we'll take your calls and read your text right after the break. Hang in there. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. Welcome back to all talk. Political ads are everywhere right now. And if you believe all of them, every candidate is either a hero or a villain. But what's actually true? Bridge, Michigan has been putting some of the biggest claims in Michigan's U.S. Senate race under the microscope. Looking at everything from Abdul El-Sayed's record on policing to Haley Stevens' role in the auto bailout to whether Barack Obama has actually endorsed anyone in this race. All Talk has teamed up with Bridge, Michigan, to amplify their work. Join us now are Laura Gibbons and Kelly House, both reporters at Bridge, Michigan. They've been working on the election fact check team, and they're ready to answer your questions and respond to your comments. Give us a call at 1-800-8-9-0-9-57. You can also text 1-800-8-9-0-JR. All right, let's go right to the phones. Let's start with Larry and Rochester Hills. Larry, welcome to All-Talk. Good morning. Yes, I would like to ask, because I've read extensive reading. Haley Stevens has been accused of taking up to $30 million from APAC. And Syed is also claiming he does not take corporate money. So I was just curious how does he fund his campaign because it's very costly to run anymore, as you all know. So thank you, and it's all the question I hear for you. Thank you, Larry. I appreciate it. Yeah, I've seen those claims. Have you guys had a chance to look into any of that? Yeah, absolutely. I can speak to that. It's a little complicated because some of this funding is coming from outside organizations, so they're not directly collaborating with the campaign, but yes, Apex-affiliated.

political action committee, which spends on behalf of APAC, is heavily involved in this race. They're the ones funding some of the ads we talked about earlier regarding the auto rescue and President Obama. Abdul El-Sayed is, at this point, so far, we've seen a lot of his funding is coming from campaign donations, although that said, there are some outside groups spending on his behalf. The distinction there is that they're not coming from corporate donations. That's something that Abdul Asiad throughout his political career has refused to accept. So any outside spending that's done on his behalf is generally done from individuals who are donating to those causes. Let's go to Jacqueline in Detroit. Jacqueline, welcome to All Talk. Good morning, Kevin. I just wanted to say that I've noticed that Haley Stevens hasn't been to Detroit. I know she went to Inkster or one of them places to campaign, but I think it's going to backfire on her to just think that she's saying that black voters count now. And to me, even the Obama ad is pandering to black people, which is may not be good for her. Thank you, Jacqueline. I appreciate it. When you guys looked into the endorsement of Barack Obama, has he endorsed anyone? Are the ads suggesting he has misleading? So the ads haven't specifically said that he is endorsing in this race. They just repeat his past comments praising her for the auto rescue. Although there are critics that argue that it is suggesting. that he has weighed in. The only Senate race that I could find that President Obama has weighed in on yet this cycle is the Texas race. He endorsed James Talarico and was in Texas supporting his campaign. But otherwise, like I said previously, he doesn't typically endorse in contested Democratic primary races. He usually endorses, if at all, after. after the primary is over and the general election cycle has begun. All right, great. Let's go to John in Chesterfield. John, welcome to All Talk. Okay, Haley Stevens and Perry Johnson. I could see Haley Stevens say she saved the auto industry. Perry Johnson is saying the same thing. Well, Haley Stevens saved the auto industry through the bailout, taxpayer bailout, which also, on her ad, she rail is against big corporations. And I think the two of the auto dealers are big corporations. But then again, how did Perry Johnson save the auto industry? Tell me. That's all I have. Thank you. I know you didn't do the governor's race for this segment, but what are your thoughts on did she save the auto industry? Is she telling the truth?

Haley Stevens did work on the Obama administration's auto rescue. And overall, the auto rescue did seem to, at least from all of the research that I poured through, really did assist automakers in getting back on the right track and emerging from bankruptcy in a timely manner. That said, Haley Stevens' role was not, she was not one of the deal makers. She was not coordinating. the bankruptcy specifically. Her role was primarily in terms of logistics coordination, reaching out to stakeholders about the auto rescue. She said she was frequently calling people back in Michigan, whether that was union workers, automakers. politicians, a lot of the politicians in Michigan have said that they worked with her quite a bit. So while she wasn't actively negotiating the auto bailout, she was on the ground doing a lot of this legwork for the auto rescue. All right. Appreciate that. Let's go to Rod and Plymouth. Rod, welcome to All Talk. Thanks, Kevin. I'm wondering if Abdul El-Sayed, whether in a quote or inherently did he convey the fact that he wants to defund the police and then ICE, when ICE is actually a bipartisan creation. Well, I can take that one. He has unequivocally said he wants to abolish ICE and has not been shy about that. He has ads in which he states it. The defund the police stuff was... Most of what I researched was back in 2020, 2021, after the George Floyd killing really brought this notion of defund the police more into the public dialogue. And he was engaged in that dialogue. So again, he made tweets where he described defund the police and what he thinks it means. And he also expressed support for it. insofar as, you know, saying that to him that means reallocating some resources away from policing and toward public services. Again, that was in 2020, 2021. He has softened his language on it and appears more hesitant to use the term now. I should mention we're going to have Abdul El-Sayed on today at 1035 and we can ask him some of these questions as well. Diane and Dearborn, welcome to all talk. Diane and Dearborn. Yeah, hello? Yep, go ahead. Yeah, since he's being back by Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, he must believe what they believe, and they believe in getting rid of ICE and the police and all that stuff. So he must have the same thoughts. Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez win back them. Do we have a sense, it's not fact checking, I guess, but do we have a sense how progressive Abdul El-Sayed is? Was he at one of the meetings for the Democrat socials where they wanted to destroy the Constitution? Was he at one of those meetings? Thanks, Diane. We appreciate the question and comment. Have you guys looked into this at all?

I can speak to that. He has frequently campaigned with Bernie Sanders. More recently, yes, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez also endorsed him, and they did a string of rallies over the last weekend in Detroit, Lansing, and Grand Rapids as well. Abdul El-Sayed has specifically addressed this. He doesn't identify as a Democratic socialist, as many progressives do. He says that he doesn't like that label, but he does share a lot of similar ideals as Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. I would point to Medicare for All as one big example. Money out of politics is another big example, but he does have a few distinctions in terms of where where he identifies the spectrum versus some of his progressive supporters. We have barely scratched the surface of the work that Lauren Gibbons and Kelly House have done for Bridge, Michigan. I encourage everyone to go to bridgemi.com to read their articles, the stories that they have posted. They have done a ton of work, and they've done it for you so that you, the voters, can find out if what you're hearing in ads and in interviews is true or not. We appreciate both of you coming on today and sharing your great work with our audience. Thanks so much. Thank you. All right. And again, we're going to have Abdul El-Sayed Democratic Senate candidate on at 1035 this morning. So stay with us for that. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Dietz. It's all talk on a Thursday morning. I'm Kevin Deeds coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number is 1-800-8-5-9-0-9-7. 1-800-9-0-WJR. What do you do when lawmakers won't pass something that the overwhelming majority of Americans support? That's exactly where Republicans say they are with the SAVE Act. The bill would require proof of U.S. citizenship to register to vote in federal elections. Supporters say... It's common sense. Only American citizens should vote and proving citizenship protects election integrity. Critics counter, though, that non-citizen voting is already illegal and argue that the bill makes it harder for some eligible citizens to register to vote. The House has already passed it, but it's stalled in the Senate, and Republicans don't have the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster. Now some Senate Republicans are considering attaching the SAVE Act to a must-pass government funding bill, raising the possibility of a showdown before the September 30th funding deadline. This was Donald Trump talking about maybe we just have to get rid of the filibuster. They should terminate the filibuster to prove everything.

Because the Democrats are going to do it. The Democrats are going to terminate the filibuster as soon as they have a chance. And then they're going to approve Puerto Rico and D.C. as a state. So Donald Trump was pleased with Speaker Mike Johnson for getting this through the House, but the Senate, it won't make it. This was Speaker Mike Johnson. And the budget resolution that unlocks our third reconciliation bill, which of course is Republicans' best shot to get as much of the Save America Act into law as possible, in addition to funding our national defense and our farmers. Republicans support our troops, our farmers, and election security. We're the only team in Washington that does. Despite nearly every Democrat voting against everything I just read you, House Republicans delivered. So what do you do when lawmakers won't pass something that the overwhelming majority of American support? Let's bring in Joe Gruders, RNC Chairman. Good morning, sir. How are you? Hey, doing great this morning. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. Mike Johnson is doing his job, but what's going on in the Senate? Listen, we're pushing in the Democrats are completely united against anything. And I always say it's common sense versus basically communism. That's what you see not only in the Senate, but it crossed all these nominations, all these elections moving forward. We're fighting hard every day. But I'm glad the House passed some common sense things yesterday, including the ban of basically insider trading for members. done that, but that's going to get knocked out too probably by Democrats, isn't it? Yeah, listen, they don't want to pass every single Democrat voted against it yesterday. So yeah, they're not supporting it. So here's what the Democrats want. They want chaos. They have no policies other than the fact that they want zero momentum. I always say it's not Trump derangement syndrome. It's America derangement syndrome. They're rooting against the country. Why would he go against stuff like the Save America Act and basic comments and things like voter ID? Right? You have to have your ID to go get pasta at the never-ending pasta bowl at Olive Garden. But you don't have to have an ID to vote. I mean, these guys are, it's crazy. But that's where the Democrat Party is heading. I actually think they're in a death spiral. I think we have a chance for a transformational election this November. I think we could take it on to 2028. And once we redo the census with no illegals in it, I think you're going to see a shift of seats. and even a bigger margin for Republicans. Is Donald Trump correct in saying that maybe we should think about getting rid of the filibuster because the Democrats would do it first chance anyway? Or is that too far? They've already proved it. We know that's what they're going to do. The only two Democrats that said no were the two guys that they primarily, they basically mentioned they forced out. And then they got Sienna and they primaried her. And so she had to drop out. Yes, the Democrats are 100% going to do it. The Democrats are cheat, lie, and steal every day to try to win these elections. That's why we have 150 lawsuits against them and 36 states from coast to coast. You know, we don't do that because we want to. We do that because we have to because the Democrats are trying to fundamentally change your country. They lost the working man, and so they're going after these illegals.

trying to have tens of millions of illegals come across the border, give them the amnesty and give them voting rights so they have some new voting base. We're not going to let it happen, but that's why we're fighting so hard. You know, the polling shows that the vast majority, over 80% support requiring proof of citizenship to vote. The Senate won't pass. this bill. Why aren't they being punished at the polls or will they be punished at the polls? Chuck Schumer every day comes on and says this is going to disenfranchise voters, but voters, including Democrats, want this. Listen, of course they want to. I don't know if you saw that 50% plus the Democrat voters have a positive opinion of socialism. You know, this is what happens when you have Zohran Mamdani running your party. You have Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Zohran Mamdani, Bernie Sanders. Now you have, they've inspired all these leftist radicals to run. And these mini momdamis are winning all across their country, not just in big cities, but in middle America. And like I said, they're trying to change your country. And believe them when they tell you what they want to do. They want to have open borders. Forget about the disaster policy that cashless bail is. They don't want criminal policies. They don't want jails. This is, I mean, they're actually saying this. It's common sense versus communism. We have to, we have to do everything we can come together as a party to make sure we have reelect these for the president so he could finish so we can continue on. Listen, if somehow they win the House of the Senate, it's going to be investigations, it's going to be obstruction, it's going to be impeachment. It's going to be total chaos exactly what the Democrats want. We have about a minute left, but explain the strategy of attaching the SAVE Act to government funding and will it work. Listen, we're trying to do everything humanly possible to make sure it passes because we think that a safe and secure election system is the only... way to guarantee the future of our country. The fact that they're fighting it so hard, and yes, we have to try different ways to try to make it happen. And we're going to continue to fight it. And yes, I hope it does happen. And if not, we have enough Maga Warriors and the Hopper that are going to come back in November, new senators that will make sure that it passes along with some of the other proposals the president wants to see. in office. And so we're excited about our candidates. We're excited about the future. We're going to defy history this November, but we need everybody go to GOP.com and give us your time and treasure. Volunteer. Make sure we win, save the country, and help save the world. Joe Gruters is the chairman of the Republican National Committee. Real honor to have you on this morning. Thanks so much for your time. Thank you. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deetz.

And welcome into the 10 o'clock hour of all talk on a beautiful Thursday morning. I'm Kevin Dietz bringing you the latest headlines and the stories that everyone is talking about. A bipartisan bill sponsored by Senator Elissa Slotkin and Senator Bernie Moreno has cleared the Senate Commerce Committee moving one step closer to becoming law. Now, this legislation would ban the sale or import of connected vehicles, software, and hardware made by companies with significant ownership ties to China, Russia, North Korea, or Iran, citing national security concerns. Elissa Slotkin argues that connected Chinese vehicles could collect sensitive data on Americans and transmit it to the Chinese government while also threatening U.S. automakers through heavily subsidized competition. The bill is backed by the United Auto Workers and Detroit's Big Three automakers, Ford, General Motors, and Stalantis. However, committee chairman Ted Cruz says the bill will likely need revisions because its 15% foreign ownership threshold could unintentionally block companies like Mercedes-Benz from selling vehicles in the United States. The legislation now heads to the full Senate where lawmakers are expected to debate changes before a final vote. Keanu Montero continued his breakout season by striking out eight batters while allowing just one run over five and a third innings as the Detroit Tigers defeated the Chicago Cubs 5 to 1 at Wrigley Field. It was a great game. The victory gave Detroit its fourth consecutive road series win and continued the club's strong stretch winning 13 of its last 18 games. Montero, who has excelled as both a starter and reliever this season, earned his seventh victory the most on the Tiger staff. He's become one of manager, A.J. Hinch's most versatile and valuable pitchers. Offensively, Spencer Torkelson stayed hot during the road trip, helping the Tigers cap another impressive series as they continue to strengthen their playoff position. Canadians are organizing efforts of their own to counteract Donald Trump's new U.S. tariffs imposed by the president with some heating calls by leaders to continue to buy Canadian goods and boycott U.S. goods as much as possible. This is British Columbia Premier David Ebby. It's actually a bit of a paradox because I can't help but feel prouder to be a Canadian right now. that our integrity is intact as a country, that we know what we stand for, we know who our friends are, and we're willing to stand up for those things. There is not a chance in hell that U.S. alcohol is going back on the shelf in British Columbia. And I'm proud of that, and I know the British Columbians support that, and the idea of the President that he can bully us into whatever he wishes is incorrect. I feel sorry for Americans. If you can't be friends with Canada, then you almost certainly do not have a friend anywhere in the world. Yeah, and border crossings are way down as Canadians are refusing to come into America, which is really having an impact on border cities like Port Huron in Detroit.

A Justice Department memo reportedly says federal agencies may allow employees to download TikTok on government-issued devices now, depending on each agency's policy. The move appears to reverse earlier restrictions imposed because of national security and data privacy concerns surrounding the app. The change does not necessarily permit employees to use TikTok while working, but suggests the administration now considers the app acceptable for official devices under certain conditions. This was Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent setting up his TikTok account. I'm Scott Bessent, the 79th Secretary of the Treasury. Welcome to the official U.S. Treasury kicktop. Follow along as we work every day to strengthen America's economy and advance President Trump's great agenda. Yeah, I don't know how good the content's going to be, but they're allowed to do it now. During the Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, Michigan Senator Gary Peters sharply criticized Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth calling him a failure and accusing the Trump administration of lacking a strategy to win the war against Iran while at the same time seeking nearly $70 billion in additional defense funding. Pete Hegseth defended the administration's approach, arguing that Peter's comments unfairly disparaged the service of U.S. troops and rejected claims that the military... effort has failed. The heated exchange underscored growing partisan divisions over the administration's handling of the conflict and its request for increased military spending. Here's some of that interaction. You, sir, are the failure. Not the men and women who are on that front line. Not the men and women who hold up their honor with distinction. But if there's a lack of a winning strategy, they're in harm's way, their leaders have failed them. And that's what's happening. We have political leadership. You, you don't have a strategy. You don't have a long-term plan to actually win this war. Win the war. The men and women are going to be able to do it, but they need to have leadership. Of course we have leadership. When will you show leadership? Why don't you show some leadership and stand up for your fellow Democrats who won't fund the troops? Got a little nasty in there. The Michigan race for U.S. Senate continues to be a battle as Haley Stevens and Abdul El-Sayed battle it out for donations and endorsements. Outspoken progressive Senator Elizabeth Warren publicly calling on Democrats to vote for Abdul El-Sayed. I'm endorsing Abdul El-Sayed for Senate in Michigan. Abdul is the only candidate in this race not taking corporate money, and he's fighting to get money out of politics altogether. Abdul's studied to be a doctor, and he's fighting for every single American to have affordable, high-quality health care. Abdul has been a card-carrying union member, and he's fighting for working people.

We'll talk with Abdul El-Sayed, the Democratic Senate candidate coming up at 1035. You'll want to stay tuned for that. The U.S. House narrowly voted 216 to 214 to approve a budget blueprint that would pave the way for funding President Donald Trump's military operations in Iran, providing tens of billions of dollars in additional Pentagon spending, increased aid for farmers, and fund state election grants tied to the Save America Act. The vote was a key procedural step, but lawmakers have yet to write the actual legislation. Leaving major spending details unresolved, the proposal also faces a very uncertain future in the Senate where Republicans will need broad support to advance the package without Democratic votes. This was Speaker Mike Johnson. And the budget resolution that unlocks our third reconciliation bill, which of course is Republicans' best shot to get as much of the Save America Act into law as possible. in addition to funding our national defense and our farmers. Republicans support our troops, our farmers, and election security. We're the only team in Washington that does. Despite nearly every Democrat voting against everything I just read you, House Republicans delivered. President Trump says if the Senate blocks it, it may be time to do away with the filibuster. They should terminate the filibuster to prove everything because the Democrats are going to do it. The Democrats are going to terminate the filibuster as soon as they have a chance. And then they're going to approve Puerto Rico and D.C. as a state. Outsmoking commentator, Stephen A. Smith says the Democrats should win the midterms easily, saying Trump delivered on closing the border, but has failed to improve the economy and broke his promise on avoiding foreign wars. The Democrats will be seen as the dumbest. stupidest, most ignorant bunch of people. that we have ever seen in American politics if they find a way to lose these midterms. He thinks they should win. Donald Trump is doing everything he can to pull off a midterm victory for Republicans. He was firing up the base in Georgia. We ended Medicaid for illegal immigrants, and we redirected $50 billion to make the largest investment in rural health in the history of our country. You're getting hospitals built in areas just like this. The Democrats would never do it. Number one, they say that's Trump country. We're not going to do anything. He says he's getting his job done. The golden age of America is upon us. We are in the golden age. This is the greatest will ever be. And together with your help and the patriots all across this magnificent land, we love our country. We will make America powerful again. We will make America wealthy again. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. It's All Talk on a Thursday morning. I'm Kevin D. It's coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number is 1-800-8-559-0-957, 1-800-8-9-0 W-J. Gives a text, give us a call, be a part of the show. So we've all heard of political polling. We talk about it all the time here on All-Talk. But what if instead of asking people who they think will win an election, you could actually put your money where your mouth is? That's exactly what prediction markets are doing. Kalshi, a federally regulated prediction market.

market has just launched a major election hub ahead of the 2026 midterms. Users can trade contracts on everything from who will win control of Congress to the outcome of individual races. Supporters say prediction markets are often more accurate than traditional polls because people have real money at stake. Critics say they turn democracy into gambling, could influence voters instead of simply measuring opinion, and may even create opportunities for wealthy traders to manipulate public perception. Join us now is Roshimar, political strategist, attorney, and host of the crisis files. Good morning. Good morning, Kevin. This topic is scary while at the same time, pretty exciting that here we are in modern times talking about this, you know, that all of this is happening, that something could actually be challenging polls, which I've never been a big fan of the polls in the first place. But here's what I'm concerned about. It's not even really just Kalshi or prediction markets versus the polls. It's will this? end up influencing like falsely, the actual candidates, the campaigns, and we're not really getting the honest truth out of those different campaigns and candidates and people maybe being influenced by others instead of just one person, one vote. Yeah, I feel like this is beyond the slippery slope a little bit. Like, now we're slipping. I don't know. It makes me a little nervous. Just kind of explain how a prediction market works a little bit for people who don't understand it. Well, this is such a hot topic. We've actually even covered it a couple months ago now on the crisis files. And I had an attorney who's in the kind of gambling law in all of those prediction markets. Unlike traditional sports gambling, when you go in and you say, okay, I want my horse to win. You want number four. I want number nine, Kevin. And number four comes in, you get the money. And if someone loses, someone wins. So like, you know, we're winning. If you win. the house loses if I lose the house wins. In a prediction market, it's really more, think of it as a contract. So there's people that say the positive of it, horse number four will win. The others say horse number four will not. And they're actually doing a contract, which is very different from just buying that $2, $3 betting card at the track. So that's as simply as I can explain it. Obviously, there are other layers. But it's actually something that people, you know, really the prediction markets seem to always be winning. That's how I would just put it into really simple terms. So being in that situation, if you don't really have the financial wherewithal to be making those kinds of bets in this someone's going to win, someone's going to lose, but it's really.

a contract, and there are different federal laws that also apply here, not just state by state. So there are a lot of regulatory issues going on in the prediction market space, and you've probably also seen a lot of headlines, Kalshi versus Polymarkets. I mean, this is a hot topic right now. And my big advice as a crisis strategist and someone wants to prevent crisis in anyone's life is don't go, don't dive deeply into this pool unless you really understand it. And even if you understand it, it doesn't mean you're always winning. Yeah, it's sort of like cryptocurrency a little bit, meaning that you need to understand what you're doing. But what worries me is that. The big money will be on candidate A. And so me as a voter will either maybe stay home because I don't think candidate B will win or maybe I'll even vote for candidate A just because I want to be with the winning team. I worry that where the money is, it could influence how the election and vote actually plays out. Exactly. And that is my biggest fear about this situation, where one person, one vote, you're supposed to go in there confidentially, you know, whether at the polls, your mail-in ballot, and vote. And you shouldn't be influenced by anything but your own judgment, your own discernment and your education on the topic, whether it's a referendum or the candidate in a particular race. When you're looking at this situation and... Kalshys reporting out what their election market is saying, you might just kind of phone it in or go with the crowd, that kind of thing, even to a different extent than with polls. So this is scary. The other thing is depending on the timing of when some of the results are out there, and I'm guessing it's real time any day you want to know them. That could influence campaigns or candidates to do certain things that might not even be authentic, who knows even if they're legal, just to kind of get it swayed in a certain way. And I think that is different from just general polling. I also wonder when it comes to donors if the campaign is trying to raise money and the big donors are saying, look, you're getting crushed on Polly Market. You're getting crushed at Kalshi. They say you can't win. I can't give you any more money. And, you know, they can do that based off of polling as well. But I wonder if it's just another influencer that may not always be accurate. It can't always be accurate. It just can't. I mean, it's an inaccurate influencer. Again, it is gambling. And that's what I want everyone to remember. And even in the legislation that's out there in the various states trying to regulate these kinds of prediction markets or the prediction markets, there is money that's always set.

for, I'm just going to call it gambling addiction. They try to call it other things, but that's what it is. And so the very fact that you have to put into your legislation, something about, well, there better be funds just in case anyone gets addicted to this or they lose their house because they haven't told their spouse they're doing all this. I mean, that, to me, is very questionable about this whole topic. Yeah, it's a little worrisome. I also am interested in... why these seem to be more accurate than traditional polling. Do you think that it's because people want to say one thing if a poller calls? Is that different than I really think this person's going to win, so I'm putting my money here. But if a polar calls, it might be, I don't know, you might tell a pollster something different than what you truly believe. What I am going to say to that is a poll is a moment in time, whatever, 500, 1,000, 3,000 people, whatever it is. And, I mean, how many times have you, you know, hung up on a pollster or not responded to a text? Never. I love to mess with them. Okay, well, you and I are different than that one way. I'm just like, I'm done with this. That's, you know, that's spam. So it's really just random. I guess that's what I'm going to say here. And just this morning, I was watching CNBC, and a guy who's on Colchese board was the guest of Squackbox. And he was talking about how the regulation of this is what he says very positive about this. What I would say is when you have people like this guy who used to be on a regulatory board, now he's on the board of directors for Colchis, so he has a financial interest. However, they are used to lots of data. They are analyzing everything you can analyze before it even kind of is going to show up on our radar on the Kalshi spread or the polymarket spread. So it just has more data behind it. And for in most cases, that ends up being more accurate. But at the end of the day, it's not even about what they're putting out there in reporting. It's what does it. who is it going to sway that hasn't already made up their minds? Or, you know, is there an undue influence by just the very fact that it is on one of these prediction markets? So this is a hot topic. There's so many crisis layers to this or possible crisis. So I'm going to keep a very eagle eye on it. Yeah, just a few seconds left. But, I mean, couldn't billionaires invest in one person and create a false narrative that this person is going to win because the money's on them because a few billionaires decided to do it? Absolutely. And think about AI infiltrates through all of this and false bios or different things that AI could be creating that are leading, like, you know, maybe misleading the researchers and the data behind these prediction markets. So it's a lot. It is crazy. It is crazy. Rashid Roshkimar, political strategist, attorney and host of the Crisis Files. Thank you so much.

how they're going to make sure to take care of grandma as she ages. These are the things that keep people up at night. And my solutions aren't radical. They're not progressive. I don't know what that even means. They're just common sense. Like in the richest, most powerful country in the world, maybe instead of fighting wars, we don't need that lift our gas prices to five bucks a gallon. Maybe instead we should just give people health care in this country because we can. Maybe instead of letting corporations dominate our working people to like offshore and automate them via an AI data center they want to put in their backyard, maybe instead we should empower unions so that unions, like they've always done, can fight for a middle class and we can believe in. These aren't left-right questions. These are common sense questions that happen when you stop putting corporations in the middle of our politics and start putting everyday people in the middle. So can we have Medicare for All without raising taxes just by? choosing wiser where to spend the money that's already coming in, or would we have to raise taxes? That's part of the solution, but I just want to tell you this, right? Everybody's so worried about raising taxes, but you know who gets to raise your premium every year? The private health insurance company. So I think most people aren't walking around being like, huh, I wonder where it's going. They're like, I think I'd rather be able to give a little bit more if it meant that my health care would be there for me. If I got a job, lost a job, turned 26, turned 65, got married, got divorced, that it would still be there for me. And right now, all of us are at the whim of a big corporation, like Blue Cross, who can raise our prices 15% like they did last year. And then we still get pegged if we get sick because of our deductibles are, what, 4,500 on average, 6,000, 10,000 sometimes. So the question is, what are you getting for what you pay for, which is the question most of us are asking. There's no doubt that Medicare for all is a way better deal than what we're getting right now. The auto industry is huge for Michigan's economy. Where do you stand on the balance between aggressive climate policies and protecting auto-manufactured jobs? Well, look, my dad came to this country to make cars. I'm honored to earn the UAW endorsement. I believe in the future of the auto industry, and I believe that that has to be sitting here in Michigan. We've got the best engineering and manufacturing talent in the world. And I think we've got to lean in to the future while holding what we do best. So we need to continue to be the world's best at making internal combustion engines. And we've got to recognize that because of the influx of cheap EVs into the rest of the world from China. that we've got to be the best at making those two. It's not one or the other. It's both. And so I think we can both make internal combustion engines that there should be no mandate. But we've also got to invest in subsidizing EV technology so we can be the best at making it and that we can still continue to compete across the rest of the world for the kinds of cars that people are buying in places like Europe and Africa and Asia. There's a debate going on in Washington right now about banning members of Congress from trading individual stocks while in office. Where do you stand on that? Look, I've never traded individual stocks. I don't plan to start ever, and I don't think it should be okay for people who have insider information to be trading on that information. You shouldn't be getting rich off the information you get because you're a sitting congressperson. So I definitely agree with banning stock trading. And frankly, I think every single congressperson should agree that they should stop doing it immediately.

So obviously, affordability is the biggest issue for most voters, cost of living. What is the first thing you would do in the Senate to lower grocery housing or energy costs? I would ban the way that people use tech algorithms to raise prices on us. So just use, use grocery costs. One of the fastest growing line items on your grocery budget is going to be for meat. And right now you have four meat packers that control like 75% of the entire meat industry. And what they use is these algorithms that set their prices based on everybody else's prices. And of course, those prices just keep going up and up and up. And there's no relief. And so I think you've got to ban that kind of practice from allowing these corporations to collude with each other to raise prices on this. It's the same thing that they do in the... airline industry, same thing that's leading to higher prices for your mobile carrier, for example. I think that kind of thing needs to be addressed. And all of that goes back to empowering the Federal Trade Commission to actually enforce the laws that we got on the books. And I believe that getting to the point where we're standing up against big corporations and their monopoly power is going to be the most important thing that we can do to bring down prices for people. Where do you feel on abolishing ICE and defunding the police? I want to make sure that everybody can get home safely, regardless of who you are. I got to work alongside law enforcement in my time in Wayne County, and I know that they got the same goals we do. I've never been for ending police at all. I've always been for making sure that we can empower police through retention, recruitment, retirement, so folks can police in their own communities, and that that policing is native to the communities from where it comes from. And at the same time, I don't think that every solution to... to unrest is a person with a gun. I think too often, you talk to law enforcement, they'll tell you, we don't want to take the runs where somebody's having a mental health crisis. So why don't we empower our counselors to be able to take some of those runs too? So we got to be investing in the things that we need. When it comes to ICE, we don't need ICE. For most of our lives, ICE has not been part of the solution. It's only 25 years old. ICE has become something that the president can weaponize against the idea of immigration itself. They're running around shooting people in the back of the head and the face. It's not making us any safer. We can have a safe and secure southern border. We can enforce immigration policies, but we can do it without violating the Constitution itself, which is why I believe we have to abolish ICE and that we have to be a lot more thoughtful about how we enforce immigration policy that is done humanely and done with the Constitution at the front. Where can people find out more about your campaign? Go to abdulvercernand.com or follow us on social media at Abdul-Elsaia. Abdul El-Sayed. Thank you for your time. We appreciate it. Good luck in the campaign.

Thank you, Kevin. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deeds. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deeds coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building on a Thursday morning. The number is 1-800-8-5-9-7, 1-800-8-5-0-WJR. Pick up the phone. Give us a call. Give us a text. Be a part of the show. Michigan's 13th Congressional District has become one of the most closely watched House races in the entire state. The district currently represented by Democrat Shri Thanedar, covers much of Detroit and several Down River communities. Republicans believe voters are frustrated by rising costs, crime, immigration, and Washington politics, and they're hoping to flip a seat that's been Democratic hands for a long time. Our next guest is Terrace Nykoriak, his friends call him TP, and his Republican candidates seeking to unseat Congressman Shri Thanedar. Good morning. How are you? Good morning, sir. I appreciate you being here. Tell people why you decided to run for Congress. Well, if you can't stand chaos, join it. There's much chaos in D.C. now, and unfortunately, I don't have $40 million to run my campaign against my Democratic opponent, Congressman Shri Thanedar, but his promises are just that of a con man. It's really difficult to beat an incumbent. How do you plan to go about doing that? Is this grassroots knock on doors kinds of things? And when you talk to people, what do you tell them is wrong with Shri Thanedar? Well, he made promises to you, but has he kept those promises? He told you he was going to. work on eliminating the marijuana restrictions or the convictions for people that had marijuana convictions. He didn't do that. He told you he was going to help you with your health care issues. He told the veterans he was going to support them in their works. And every day in the streets, I only hear complaints about he doesn't even know Detroit. He is in Detroit. I'm a Detroiter born and raised. I have no issue telling him where Hitzville USA is. The 13th District traditionally has leaned Democratic, a little heavy in some years. Why do you believe Republicans can win here this year? I believe that with the support of those same people that even in Detroit supported President Trump previously in the election. that we could turn that seat, and we could give the seat back to somebody actually from Detroit that knows Detroit's issues. Affordability, the economy, that is the number one issue for everyone. Detroit's economy depends heavily on manufacturing and the auto industry. How would you go about protecting these jobs and encouraging new investment? Well, we're... one of the poorest congressional districts in the country. And we weren't at one point because at one point we did have a flourishing automotive empire in Detroit, in Highland Park, Hamtramic, and that's died out. So we need to attract more of the automakers to come back to Detroit to help us to thrive.

in being what we were once 30, 40 years ago. And I know because my family all was auto workers working for Ford General Motors and Chrysler. What role do you think the federal government should play in improving education and workforce development in Southeast Michigan, or should they stay out of it? Let the state do it. No, I think that the federal government should be involved in the education aspect as well as the health care aspect, because like your previous guest said, we need to have one system of health care because if you get hurt, you shouldn't worry about how you're going to pay those bills if you do turn to emergency services. Public safety. is an issue. Crime rates are trending down, and that's good news. But what would you do in Congress to help reduce crime even further in your district? Well, first of all, to touch on your question about with your previous speaker, with regards to abolishing ICE. I think they are doing some good in protecting the homeland, but we need to have a discussion with regards to eliminating their qualified immunity because they think, officers on the streets think that they are invincible, untouchable. And if we eliminate that qualified immunity, they won't think twice. when it comes to interactions with citizens, when it comes to arrest or detainment of illegal aliens. And my opponent even voted that it was okay to keep illegal aliens that are convicted of sex crimes to keep them in the country, not to deport them. Those are the kind of people that shouldn't or do not deserve to be in America. Most of Americans and most voters in probably your district, but most voters in the country think there needs to be massive immigration reform. We need to shut down the border, figure out how to bring immigrants in in a way that we're able to identify who they are and where they end up going. What is your thoughts on border and immigration policies? Which ones would you support? I agree with you, and both of those, because we need to have stronger, stricter biometrics, if you will, on these procedures when it comes to issuing people. Would it be TPS, temporary protective status? Or when it comes to citizenship, we need to really vet these people to know who they are, where they come from, and what their story is. The border, when you protect the border, when you secure the border, you'll have a stronger homeland. Have you decided yet, if elected, what the first bill or issue you would want to work on? Well, there's a couple issues. One of which the strongest would be the, there's 700,000, 780,000.

people in the 13th congressional district. And I would like to try to tackle all the promises that my predecessor did not accomplish or lied just to con his way into Congress. I'd like to attack those issues. First being a federal mandate, legalizing marijuana and then retroactively pardoning or dismissing all the charges for marijuana. So that it's not a red checkmark on somebody's resume, if you will, when they go to apply for a job. Or the constitutional ban on weapons, if you're charged with a felony, at this point, if you're charged with a felony, you're unable to possess firearms. And that means that people aren't able to protect themselves and their family. Terest. Go ahead, finish up. I was just saying because of a bad check market. Right. Teres Nicoriak, his friends call him TP. He's the Republican candidate seeking to unseat Congressman Shri Thanedar. Thank you for your time today. How can people find out about your campaign? TP313.org. TP313.org. Thank you so much, sir. Good luck in the campaign. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. Welcome into the 11 o'clock hour of All Talk on a beautiful Thursday morning. I'm Kevin Deeds coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number is 1-800-859-957, 1-800-8-9-0-WJR. Let's get you caught up on the headlines and stories that everyone is talking about. A 43-year-old woman was critically injured while jogging in New York City Central Park after an e-bike rider allegedly struck her from behind while riding the wrong way on a path designated for runners. According to witnesses, the rider tried to leave the scene before being stopped by bystanders. The victim suffered severe head injuries, a broken elbow and other serious trauma in her family, is now calling for stricter e-bike regulations, including registration and insurance requirements. The incident has reignited a national debate over whether the rapid growth of e-bikes has outpaced safety rules and enforcement. And it is a debate that is happening right now, right here in southeast Michigan. Marie Osborne is following this story and joins us now. Good morning. Yeah, so it's summer, Kevin, and that means more people are getting outside and often that means getting on an e-bike. Several cities, including Deerborn Heights and South Lyon have recently limited where and how electric bikes can be used. Mackinac Island continues to prohibit most... e-bikes. While other communities are creating pedestrian-only zones or extending sidewalk riding bans to electric devices, and that's according to the Detroit News, the Bush comes as hospitals report a sharp increase in injuries. Many of them involved children. Doctors at Corwell Health say they've treated more e-bike trauma cases each year since 2023. Kids accounting for most of the injuries this year. Emergency physicians report seeing head injuries and other serious crashes on a regular basis. State police are updating crash reporting forms so officers can better track accidents involving e-bikes or similar devices. Investigators say some riders are using modified or high-powered models.

capable of speeds far beyond the state laws. So there are three classes of e-bikes. There's the class one that goes up to about 20 miles per hour. Class two, that's pedal assist in a throttle, 20 miles per hour. Class three is pedal assist in a motor. That goes up to 28 miles per hour. And Kevin's state lawmakers are weighing changes that could tighten regulations and then increase penalty in crashes. Yeah, I see them all over the place. I think they... Just to the eye, they look safer than those scooters. Those scooters terrify of me, those electric scooters. You see, I just feel like they're going to constantly crash into someone or something. These e-bikes seem more like regular bike riders and things like that, which you always... I'm a little nervous about when I'm driving past a bicycle or whatnot. But the fact that these e-bikes go so fast, it doesn't really give them a lot of time to react to something that happens, I think. Right. And I was driving down a street just yesterday, and I was going 30 miles per hour, which is the limit, speed limit there. And there was somebody on an e-bike. They were right next to me, and they were driving the same speed as I was. They had no head protect. Well, they had their headsets on. Okay, that was their only protection was this head of these headsets. Hopefully they're not listening to music because you need to hear what's going on around you. Duh, yes. So, yeah, so here they were probably listening to music or a podcast and had no real head protection. When you say they were going next to you, was there two lanes? Yes, there was like a bike lane next to me. And I actually don't know that that was a designated bike lane because I was a little startled. I wanted to be like you said. a little extra careful because this person was next to me. But when I realized they were driving as fast as I was, I thought, that's just crazy. Yeah, and sometimes I'll see them on the regular roads as well. Oh, yes. They can't go actually fast enough to keep up with traffic. 28's awful fast to be on an e-bike, I think, but sometimes they're on these regular roads. So, yeah, I think it's good to see that a lot of communities are looking at this. And maybe it'll be a thing that as they... work through it. Maybe they'll adjust them and change them for certain things. But I think, you know, just like this case in New York, I mean, things like this are happening more and more often. Well, don't forget, we had a death here of someone in Ferndale just a few weeks ago. In fact, I think we had two deaths in the span of a week of people on e-bikes. The one that I'm thinking about in Ferndale that was on an e-bike, a person on Woodward. So, you know, this is a very serious issue that's going to get worse. And if the hospitals are telling you that... they're seeing a lot of cases, then it's something that you definitely want to pay attention to. Absolutely. And doctors are definitely on board. All right, Marie Osborne. Thank you so much. Appreciate that.

Two North Dakota men have filed a lawsuit after discovering they were accidentally switched at birth nearly 40 years ago. The mistake came to light after one man took a DNA test that revealed his biological family. The hospital acknowledges the mix-up occurred, but says records from 1988 no longer exist and no staff members from that time remain employed there. The lawsuit claims both men were deprived of the lives and families that they should have had. Families of four women who died within two months at Michigan's Women's Huron Valley Correctional Facility had held a vigil demanding changes at the prison. They alleged black mold and inadequate medical care contributed to the deaths, claims supported by attorneys representing some of the families. The Michigan Department of Corrections disputes those allegations, citing independent environmental testing that found no dangerous systemic mold. The families are calling for greater transparency and accountability. House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan has referred former Special Counsel Jack Smith to the Justice Department for a potential criminal investigation. Jim Jordan alleges Smith falsely testified to Congress when he denied requesting the contents of text messages from members of Congress despite newly released records indicating his team accessed messages from more than 40 different lawmakers. The Justice Department confirmed it has received the referral and says it will investigate any evidence of criminal conduct. Smith has not publicly responsible. responded to the allegations. A new University of New Hampshire poll finds Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez leaving the early Democratic field for the 2028 presidential nomination. She came in first place ahead of former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. The survey also found Democratic voters now view socialism more favorably than capitalism by an 11-point margin. The results come as Democratic Party leaders meet to determine the early primary calendar for the 2028 election. The party's ideological direction is expected to remain a central debate heading into the next presidential campaign. House Democrats overwhelmingly opposed a Republican proposal that would ban members of Congress from trading stocks while also requiring voters to present photo ID. Democrats argued the legislation should apply to the executive branch as well as citizens, Republicans, for combining two unrelated issues into one bill. Republicans say they'll use the vote during the midterm elections to argue Democrats oppose ethics reform and voter ID requirements, even if approved the House, both proposals face significant obstacles in the Senate. President Trump honored the family of First Lieutenant Tyler James Fian during a trip to Georgia, flying them aboard Air Force One and paying tribute to the fallen service member before a standing ovation. At the same time, the president warned Iran that any attack on shipping in the Straits of Hermuz would prompt U.S. strikes on Iranian infrastructure, including bridges and power plants. Iran responded with its own warning, saying countries supporting U.S. attacks could become targets. A new Fox poll shows Americans remain skeptical of the conflict with Trump's approval on Iran at 34% and his disapproval on Iran at 66%. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to check in with Chris Swanson. He is a Democrat running for governor. He's going to tell you why he thinks he deserves your vote. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz.

It's all talk on a Thursday morning. I'm Kevin Deeds coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number is 1-800-859-0-957, 1-800-8-5-0-WJR. We're going to take your calls at 1135, pick up the phone and be a part of the show. Michigan voters will choose a new governor for the first time in eight years. And one of the Democrats hoping to succeed Governor Gretchen Whitmer is Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson. Sheriff Swanson first gained national attention. You remember during the 2020 protests in Flint when he removed that riot gear. He joined the demonstrators and called for unity between law enforcement and the community. It was a great moment. Since then, he's built a reputation around public safety, criminal justice reform, education programs in the county jail, and bipartisan leadership. Join us now is Chris Swanson, Genesee County Sheriff and Democratic gubernatorial candidate. Good morning, sir. How are you? Happy Thursday, Kevin. Thank you. Great intro. Happy Thursday to you. How's the campaign going? Oh, my gosh. I've been doing it for 18 months. I've driven 96,000 miles, 1,750 events. I've done WGR whenever they ask. It's great, brother. We are 11 days of campaigning left, 12 days to the vote. And I'm claiming a great day on August 4th. And I'm not just an optimist. I'm a realist. You love talking to people. What are the people telling you needs to change in the state of Michigan? 100% they're tired of the division they hate and the same old same old they're looking for new they're looking for change they're looking for a fresh energy and and aside from the policies that I have that makes sense for Michigan I choose to be optimistic you know coming from Flint seeing 34 years of death and violence still being elected sheriff I mean I see brokenness I could I could be miserable but I choose not to be and when I go to these events or when I'm speaking to listeners like yours I want to give a level of expectation of what you get as a leader. That's what people want. They are tired of the brokenness. People wake up every day thinking, what's next? Do you think your opponent in the primary, Jocelyn Benson, represents the same old, same old? Well, I'm definitely different, you know, and I don't even call her an opponent. She's an option. I've been very intentional on showing that we've got two different pathways. But I'm a completely different candidate across the board. I mean, John James, Perry Johnson, Jocelyn, they don't have what I have. And I say that not to be prideful, but I've always had this gear inside of me. And I look at what Michigan is and what we need certainly across the country. And Michigan being a purple state, a state that the whole country's looking at. This is the style of leadership that I have been as a sheriff. I've taught around the country, and it's what I'm looking as a constituent for myself. I know that we can do great things from Michigan on the policy level, but also set a tone for future political leaders coming up. We've had a Democrat in the governor's office for eight years. It's not easy to go for 12. Do you think the state is ready for a change, but not necessarily a change of the party at the top?

Well, they're definitely ready for a change. And I don't look at history repeating itself because if you look over the last year and a half with elections across the country, nothing Orthodox is working. It's the ones who work the hardest. It's what people are messaging. Politics since 2024 are completely different. So the old flip-flop, that means nothing these days. People are looking for a candidate that they can see. that shows up, that's intentional, that's authentic. And wherever I go, whether it's Marquette, Monroe, Reed City, whether it's Madison Heights, Muskegon, Detroit. I'm telling you, Kevin, it's the same thing. People are looking for something different. And I'm filling these roles that not only protects, serves, and unifies, but it shows people that hope is truly on the way. You know, most people probably remember you from that moment in Flint that I was talking about when you walked with the demonstrators. How does that moment show your leadership and your philosophy? That's the best question so far. That was six years ago. I should have been the last person to walk in the crowd as a white sheriff and say to people that watched George Floyd beg for his life from Minneapolis, Minnesota and say, let's walk. But when I asked the question, what do you need us to do? And they chatted walk with us. It was either bloodshed or let's work this thing out together. So the let's walk moment, the world, the state got to see what had been my whole life. And life is like a container that you put in when no one's looking. And when your cup gets bumped, what comes out is what you are. So that moment alone, to your point, there's no misunderstanding what the state of mission is going to get with me as a governor in the thick of it. When things are tense, I'm going to be on the front lines. When people's emotions or they're upset, I'm going to be on the front lines. When people are scared, I'm going to be on the front lines. That's where I operate the best, and that's what they can expect. That moment is exactly who Chris Watson is. Your career in law enforcement has been outstanding. Some say that doesn't necessarily transfer over to running the entire state. Why do you think you can do it? Well, look at two of the most successful counties in the state of Michigan, McComb and Wayne County, both county executives, former sheriffs. When you look at Mark Hackle and Warren Evans, the role of sheriff is the best role, especially from the fifth biggest county in the state, to go to an executive level of leadership. And if you look at where we are in our times now, I don't want somebody who can compute numbers and not relate to people. I need somebody who's going to be out there that can lead and bring policy and work with both sides. The role of sheriff in Genesee County is what we need more than ever before as the governor. Two huge issues in Michigan. One is the economy. The other is education. What will you do that's different from what we're currently doing?

Number one for the economy is don't tax industries or people to try to pay the bills. You have an $81 billion budget, spend the money that's effective and efficient. But if you want to grow the economy, grow the GDP. Just over $700 billion, goods and services supporting small businesses, all 900,000, small, mid-large cap, as well as industry, as well as manufacturing, because we're not only competing with 49 states. but a global market. We're going to build that GDP up one or two percentage points, which is going to be able to fund all the things are important. To your second point, I've been on faculty for 28 and a half years at the University of Michigan Flint, teaching public health. I'm an AFT member 6244. So the education plan that you can find online, the seven points. That's because I understand the teacher-student relationship. We're going to protect that school aid fund, K-12, roll in the jail program with Ignite, bring trades in the middle school, protect the community college, protect the upper education, free breakfasts, free lunch, without barrier. We're going to protect our funds, make sure there's no undermining of teachers. I mean, this is the plan that works. Literacy is a long-term goal, but it's happening right now. And I know it's a long answer to the big question, but ultimately, Michigan does not have a broken education system. We have some gaps. And I'm telling you, the MEA for the first time in 40 years did not endorse the candidate for primary, but I've got all of the different MEAs throughout Wayne County and Bay County. So the teachers and the sport personnel, they know they got a teacher. and a douche-paying member for 34 years. And a sheriff as governor, when have we had that in Michigan? Never in my life, 53 years. A lot of people were disappointed when Mike Duggan dropped out of the race. Are you finding a lot of Mike Duggan's supporters coming to your campaign, supporting your campaign? 100% because Mike Duggan tried to fill a gap that he saw a need just like I do. And so many of his supporters, and I've been friends with everybody running to make sure that, you know, that we stay in line and we all know we're sacrificing. But after the mayor got out of the race, we met up shortly thereafter. And, you know, I wanted to congratulate him for the courage that it takes. But what he was trying to get didn't come with a base. So a lot of his folks that came, went back to the Republican Party, but the ones in the middle are looking for a home. And so I've been able to be that candidate that people are looking for that has, you know, a history and a background that is beyond intriguing. So I find that just even last night at an event I was down in Belleville, one of the business owners and another realtor. They were like, man, we were Mike Duggan fans until he left out. And we thought, we don't like what's offering on the right. Swanson, you're the best option that we found. And we're so happy that we came here. So, yeah, I have, I'm building the coalition on the Democratic base, looking for those people in the middle that were looking for Mike Duggan. And even Republicans that left.

the Democratic Party that are looking for something to come back. That's why we're going to have stunning numbers on August 4th. Well, we're out of time, so I can't get into mental health and substance abuse, but I know you run a jail, so you probably have more experience in mental health and substance abuse than anyone else on the ticket. Chris Watson running for gubernatorial candidate on the Democratic side and Genesee County Sheriff. How can people find out more about your campaign? Swanson for Michigan.com or Google. Any of my social media sites reach 6 to 9 million people a month. I appreciate you and giving me time on your platform, Kevin. Great talking to you again. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. And it's 1137. That means it is your turn to talk. 1-800-8-9-0-957. 1-800-9-0-JR. Pick up the phone, give us a call, give us a text, be a part of the show. I tell you, I really like these campaign check-ins. I really do. I feel like you get a 10-minute segment to talk to a candidate, and you kind of get a feel for who they are and where they're coming from. And to me, they come off a little different than they do in the commercials, in the campaign literature. We just heard from Chris Swanson, Genesee County Sheriff, and he's running for governor on the Democratic side. A really interesting interview with... him. He has a lot of energy. What did you think of Terrace Nicorak? I had not really heard of him much. He's running in the 13th congressional district. He's a Republican trying to unseat Shri Thanedar. That's going to be very difficult with the funding that Sri has. But great to get Terrace on and hear his perspective on things. Of course, we talked to Abdul El-Sayed. He is just making a name for himself nationwide. He's running for the U.S. Senate out of Michigan. What did you make of his interview? Listening to him chat for 10 minutes. Does he sound like the person Republicans are making him sound like? Does he sound like the person that he comes across in his ads? I mean, we also talked to Laura Gibbons and Kelly House today from Bridge, Michigan. They did this incredible fact-checking on the Michigan Senate race. And, you know, they found that there's an awful lot of gray area in these commercials. And a lot of what people are saying are half-truths, which isn't really surprising, but it's great that Bridge Michigan is doing such a thorough job of fact-checking. We even had Joe Gruders on, the RNC chairman. He's talking about Republicans trying to win the midterms and trying to push the Save America Act through, something that most Americans want people to have ID to vote, which is part of the Save Act, not all of it, but part of the Save Act. And yet the Senate's not going to do anything about it. They're not going to pass it. They're not going to push it through. So will they be punished? Joe thought so. I don't think so. I really don't think so. We even talked to Rashidi Rashkemar about the...

Calci and gambling on the midterms. Now, Polymarket and Calci will let you basically place money on who you think is going to win, and is that going to influence the elections that billionaires are throwing big cash down on one side to change the narrative to make it look like someone is more likely to win and try that bandwagon effect to say, oh, they're going to win, I guess I'll vote for them. Or... Oh, my person doesn't have a chance at winning. Look at them at Polymarketing and calls she, so I'm not even going to bother to go and vote. I hope that's not the case. 1-800-8-5-9-57, 1-800-8-5-0-WJR. Let's start with Carrie and Lansing. Carrie, welcome to all talk. Hey, Kevin, I got a question for you. Chris Monson said that Wayne County... is like doing really good. I always heard that Wayne County is a disaster. No, I don't think so. I think Wayne County is doing well. I think McComb County's doing well. I think he's right about Genesee County. Yeah, Wayne County does well. I don't know. Even Detroit, I mean, Detroit's doing great. Detroit is on the Uprice. That's the biggest city in Wayne County. County. You have the gross points. You got Rimes. What areas do you think are falling apart in Wayne County? I don't know. I just... I have a friend that used to live down there, and he said it was a disaster. So maybe it's true. Yeah, there's some tough time. Inksters having a tough time. There's a few downriver towns that are struggling economically. But overall, no, they're doing a nice job in Wayne County. They're doing good. Thanks for calling, Karen. Appreciate it. Thank you. Bye-bye. No problem. Let's go to Kenan-Lavone. You can welcome to All Talk. Yeah, I just want to share with you an unfortunate observation that I keep seeing when I listen to political candidates and I listen to the supporters. People really do not want to be free. They really want to give up their freedom, their citizenship, and substitute it for servitude to the government. Because when we look at the people running for political office, what do we see? We see people who, they are going to promote communism. They are going to promote socialism and globalism. And I'm telling you, what happens? And we see this in history. You substitute your freedom and you replace it with servitude to the government. You can't allow these people to have political power. And that is the unfortunate thing I see in this country for too many voters. They want the government to change their diapers for them. Thank you, Kenner. I appreciate the call. Appreciate you listening. Yeah, look, a lot of people are looking to the government to solve their problems instead of solving their own problems. It's potentially an issue. Let's go to Pat and Richmond. Pat, welcome to all talk. Hey, Kevin. I was going to say it's pretty disingenuous for El-Sayed. He's going to get big money out of politics. He accepts money from Act Blue. Charlie Luduff just did an excellent little article on Acts, formerly, Twitter, and it exposes how Act Blue is nothing but a front for channeling money from big donators, and it hides them under other people's names, elderly people.

He goes up to a trailer in Milo. She supposedly has donated $15,000. She's like, $15,000. I'm going to have that much. She's like, I have no idea what you're talking about. So, you know, else I might want to look into who he's getting money from. Appreciate it, Pat. Thanks for listening. Thanks for the call. Yeah, there's a lot. I have a lot of concern. Election, there's so much power and so much money in these, in holding these positions. And I think that there are people out there trying to figure out all kinds of ways to win. And if they can find an angle to get a little more money to a candidate or get a few extra votes to a candidate, I think we need to. watch it closely. That's why I'm in favor of the Save Act. I really am. It's all talk. I'm Kevin Dietz. It's All Talk. I'm Kevin Deetz. Coming to you from the Golden Tower of the Fisher Building. The number's 1-800-8-559-0-9-7. 1-800-8-5-0 W-J. Give us a call. Give us a text, be a part of the show. Our next guest is someone we're trying to track down. So while we do that, why don't we continue with the phone lines and the conversation we're having? Let's go out to John in Canton. John, welcome to All Talk. Hey, Kevin. Good afternoon. Afternoon. I just wanted to say that, you know, I think that we're just going to hear communist over and over again. Now that's a new boogeyman word for the Republicans. And that's not what socialism, socialism or communism. Socialism. Well, communists, I keep hearing. But, you know, that's not what the Democrats want. It's more on the lines of what Dwight Eisenhower brought this country when he was, you know, taxing the rich maximum of 90%. Or what Teddy Roosevelt did when, you know, he got the big corporations, you know, cracked down on them because, you know, at that time they were taking over everything. Yeah, we were, it's interesting you bring that up. We interviewed Abdul El-Sayed, who, you know, the national media on the right is saying, you know, he's very progressive. He's headed towards socialism. And we just interviewed him. And he said, look, I'm talking about common sense ideas here. I'm not, I don't see myself as progressive left, right, or whatever. That's why I don't think he can. You got to be careful when you listen to the talking heads. And I think that's why you get the people on the phone or you do interviews in person and you try and get to listen to the people and not what everybody's being labeled. But you're not wrong. I appreciate the call. Thanks.

All right, we've found our guest. Dr. Matthew Spalding Kirby, professor and constitutional government, dean of the Van Andel Graduate School of Government at Hillsdale College. He has testified now at a recent congressional hearing arguing that Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of American History has drifted away from presenting history and instead is promoting an ideological worldview. He testified that the museum has experienced what he calls institutional capture, placing too much emphasis on themes such as systemic oppression and social transformation rather than what he views as a balanced telling of the American story. And he joins us now. Good morning, sir. How are you? I'm fine. How are you? Thanks for having me. I'm doing great. What was that like testifying before Congress? Well, it's a good experience. I've done it many times, and they ask good questions and hard questions. The director of the museum was there. She took most of the flack, I have to say, which I actually enjoyed because this is something that a lot of attention needs to be focused on right now. There's a, this stems from a report from the White House Domestic Policy Council, 160 pages, 500 and some footnotes. going through the museum. And I've been there recently and gone through it and looked at it in some detail. And then we have their internal documents, their planning documents, their interpretive plans for the museum. You put it all together and it becomes very clear and it's clear when you go there. And you see also exhibits on, you know, sexual objects and gender and fluidity. And you see a bunch of stuff about immigration. And you see stuff on all these other themes. But you see a diminished exhibits. Indeed, there's no exhibit going on right now, 25th anniversary of America. There's no dedicated exhibit on the history and chronology of the founding period, the Continental Congress declaration benefits or anything. you put it all together something is radically changed in the museum of national museum of american history and that's what uh this was all about that's what i'm very concerned about because uh taxpayers been you know pay for two thirds of their budget annually um and it's a public institution and it's and it's clearly been captured by a very different ideology uh that wants to go in a very different social direction And it's no longer museum of national American history. So the report's titled Saving America's Story. What story do you believe is being lost? Well, what's amazing, and I encourage people to go there and look for themselves is there's no story at all. That's the problem. You know, the story that's not there is just, and I'm just thinking about a general chronology that was for a long time. It's called the liberal consensus theory, left, right, center, across the board. There were these colonies. They got to an argument with their overseer, the British government. They go through this whole series of entry the Declaration and the Constitution. That chronology is just not there. There are great objects. They are beautiful objects that I love going to see, Jefferson's writing desk and the flag that gave rise to the National Anthem.

Lincoln's top at George Washington. Yes, those things are there, but there's no chronology to give them any meaning or order. But what you do learn is that America history is really all about groups that have been oppressed now rising up through resistance and protest. And you learned that the settling of America, the colonial settling of the continent of the United States was really a great unsettling. And it's really all about these groups that were oppressed and that they have to rise up. That's something very different. There's not that general narrative that a student would want to learn or their parent want their child to learn or a foreign visitor to want to learn about how did this country come into being? What gave rise to it? What were their arguments? What is its history? Good, bad, and ugly. Kevin Warsh and all, don't be wrong. There are lots of things in American history that should be included that are not great. But that story is just not there. So it's not that it's a story that I have some nuance disagreements with here and there. It's the story has been removed and its place is all these themes about oppression and how the country is oppressive and it's systemic. And that really teaches you to kind of national loathing. And I think that's a terrible thing that the taxpayer is funding. You use the phrase institutional capture. What does that mean? It's a term of art, right? If an institution, in this case, the Smithsonian National Museum of American history, has been completely flipped, if you will, and is really dominated by a completely different idea of what it's doing. I mean, the mission, the statement was changed. There's interpretive plans. You can look at their annual reports. And you pull this together, it's no longer serving its original mission. It's no longer serving the idea that it's a dedicated music into American national history. It's just gone so far awry, informed by a kind of postmodern view of oppression and oppressors. that leads one to say, well, look, this institution has been, not only if they've forgotten and left their mission, original mission, but it's been captured by something else. And that capture is an intellectual capture that we see playing out in all these exhibits. Has it extended beyond the Smithsonian, do you think? Are there other institutions we should look at as potentially having been captured? I'm sure there are. I think what's the analogy I would use here is, you know, this is the kind of debates that have been going on in, you know, academic faculty lounges and the universities that we've been tracking for some time and hearing about and reading about. I think what's interesting is that that argument has now trickled down into the Smithsonian, and you see it playing out in this, and essentially the lack of history.

My guess is this is in other places as well. I don't know. I don't know how far this extends, but we see it popping up. My point is that, look, this might be an interesting hypothetical debate among faculty on campus. But it shouldn't be the rubric, the informing, defining concept for a National Museum of American History, funded by taxpayers, an entity of the American government, overseen by a Board of Regents that's headed up by the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court. I mean, this is not... This has gone so far beyond the old liberal consensus of American history that it's something else. And we shouldn't be funding that, and it shouldn't be the National Museum of American History. It might be a private museum somewhere else on an academic campus. And you're not talking about replacing one political narrative with another. You're talking about telling the actual story as it took place. A simple chronology of events is not even there. I would be very happy if there was some sort of common old left-right, there was a liberal consensus for decades about the basic narrative of the American family. The thing you want your kids to learn, I'm not talking about getting to the nuance of interpretation. Right. And I'm not talking about getting rid of all the things like slavery. Slaver was there. Right. We tell the whole story, not just about how it's oppressive. You tell a story about the declaration, that all men are created equal, and that this played out. There's an abolitionist movement, and eventually there's a civil war, and the slave was abolished in the United States. That's the story that should be told. Thank you very much. Dr. Matthew Spauley, Kirby, Professor and Constitutional Government, Dean of the Van Andle Graduate School of Government at Hillsdale College. We appreciate you going to the hill for us and letting people know, and we appreciate you coming on and telling our audience all about it. That's going to do it for all talk. The great. Paul W. Smith in Focus is next.