3694 - ICE Quietly Breaks Arrest Records; AIPAC Rematch In St. Louis w/ Austin Kocher, Cori Bush

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We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravaged Gowanus Canal in the heartland of America, downtown Brooklyn, USA. On the program today, Austin Coker will be back with us to discuss how ICE is quietly arresting more people than ever. And later in the show, Cori Bush. Former Congresswoman and candidate in Missouri's first congressional district joins us to talk about her race. Also on the program, the House passes the $1.15 trillion defense authorization bill, including the portion expanding and cementing U.S. and Israeli military and tech cooperation, which is not good, folks. A separate war powers resolution passes, however. Four Republicans joined all Democrats to reign in Trump's Iran war, at least symbolically. The U.S. has bombed Iran for the 12th straight night, and oil prices are back up to $100 a barrel. The House also advanced the $95 billion reconciliation package, most of which goes to funding that Iran war, with some farm assistance that they need because of the Iran war. Oh, and also the tariffs. And voter suppression funds. Questions still remain, though, if they have enough Republican votes, and if... It's going to count towards a reconciliation process because it's very flimsy in its budgetary, I guess, character. Lisa Murkowski jumps ship on the $10 billion in grants to incentivize voter ID laws. The House also passed the Republican stock trading ban, the one that doesn't force them to sell existing stocks, or bar them from buying crypto, authored by a guy that took a bunch of money from the crypto industry. You'll be shocked to learn. At least 1.5 million children have lost food assistance as a result of Trump's cuts to snap last summer. Earlier today, Bangavir joined other Israeli extremists storming the Alaksa Mosque. Trump tries to ram through the Abraham Accords, says he'll only strike a deal with Saudi Arabia giving them access to U.S. nuclear technology if they normalize with Israel. Hey, dude, Israel's not really in great standing with a lot of people right now. I'm not sure if it occurs. House Republicans, subpoena left-wing outlet breakthrough news, more McCarthyite resurgence. In Wisconsin, police officers fatally shot a man in his 30s. Details are still emerging, but protests sparked last night in Madison.

And lastly, South Carolina and Nevada are jockeying to be the first state in the Democratic 28 primary calendar. All this and more on today's Majority Report. Welcome to the show, everybody. It's an M Majority Report Thursday. Hello, Matt. Hello, Brian. I sent you guys a little I am, by the way. Just check that. Cool. Hello to everybody in the audience. Yes, Sam is still out, even though this is my typical day. He will be out next week, but he will be back after that. He'll come into August guns blazing, and he'll tell you where he's been, which is... He's been on vacation with Dave Rubin. They've mended fences. That's part of why he wanted to keep things, you know, a little bit under wraps, right? A triumphant return, them holding hands and walking into the studio on Monday. Can you imagine? I want to give credit to there's someone, and maybe we'll show it in the fun half, a fan on Twitter. Look, this is the only, in my view, use of AI that... I can enjoy. Or they just photoshopped it. I don't know if they used AI for this, but I was laughing. Do we have this picture? I mean, I retweeted it. People can check out. People can check out. We posted it on Instagram, too, this image of Sam as Mitch McConnell. And me as Elaine Chow, which is quite good. Proof of life. Proof of life. Anyway, yesterday the House advanced the budget bill and also the NDAA. And in this bill, the reconciliation package, the former, there's $95 billion that is in that pot of money. It funds the Iran War to the tune of $73 billion. And we covered this yesterday, but this is after they already had a trillion dollar budget from last year. And they had $150 billion in supplemental. And they had $75 billion just laying around and they were asking for even more. It included Iran War goodies, but also other things that the Pentagon... wanted related to the National Guard related to deploying the army at the southern border and Democrats were asking like hey is this like uh uh uh the normal procedure here. Why do you need all of this money? But it also doles out farm assistance due to the impacts of Trump's own tariffs and the Iran War's impact on fertilizer prices because so much of the material needed to make fertilizers move through the Strait of Hormuz. Particularly ammonia. Right. And it also included this $10 billion piece for voter suppression.

And they were able to win over the Republican hardliners with the inclusion of that $10 billion, because they wanted the full Save Act. This is just a fraction of what's in the Save Act. And this $10 billion would purportedly act as grants. that would be given out to states that do voter suppression. So voter ID mandates, proving your citizenship. And it just gives a financial incentive for states to do that. So we still don't know, though, if this part will hold up in the Senate. Lisa Murkowski is not happy about this. And it would have to go through the reconciliation process in the Senate, which would mean that it needs to pertain to the budget. Look, Republicans break rules all the time, but there are questions about whether or not these grants pertain to the budget. And the only other option, which is what Trump was trying to desperately get for months and is a big reason that John Cornyn lost his endorsement to Ken Paxton and Ken Paxton is the nominee in Texas, was he wanted to get rid of the filibuster to not even have the SAVE Act obviously be through the budgetary process. and just pass it on an up and down vote. But John Thune's like, dude, the filibuster is the best thing for Republicans. Don't do this. Like, we need this in the future. And it's all the more reason. that Democrats should, because as we've said, the Senate is already an undemocratic institution. At one point, there were 50 Democratic senators under Biden, 50 Republican senators. You've probably heard me say this before. And the 50 Democrats represented 40 million more people. It's just by the nature of how the Senate is. Montana has two senators. Wyoming has two senators, but California and New York also have two senators. It's undemocratic, even if there was no filibuster. And on top of that, you need a 60-vote threshold? This is why, like, DSA says things like abolish the Senate on their website and in their program. For long-term, a long-term goal. Well, you don't like America's institutions? It ain't that bad. Yeah, no. We've revised to be more democratic in the best times of this country before and should do it again. Yes. Yeah, we've already revised the Senate. They weren't directly elected prior to that revision. So, I mean, like, that. There's so many things we should do to make this country more democratic. Eliminating the electoral college is another. But I digress. Judicial review from a stacked Supreme Court. Right. The other congressional item yesterday that was voted on ahead of the upcoming recess was the National Defense Authorization, the NDAA. What a shock. They found just enough Democrats to pass this. It's it's so weird how they can always find six or seven. And they don't always, they're not always the same. Like Brian made this great point.

just before the show, Jared Moskowitz was not included here in terms of the Democrats that voted for the NDAA. One of the biggest hawks and Zionist plants in Congress on the Democratic side, he might be a little bit worried about Oliver Larkin. Another candidate or member of Congress who did not vote for the NDA is Josh Gottheimer. Josh Gottheimer's in New Jersey. I mean, you know. Who do they think they're fooling? But, but I mean, they are, they're, they've done this before. It's fooled enough people, right? And I also think though, like, do you think people are more sensitive? Because I do to the revolving door hypothesis? Because I think even normal people are getting in on that. Like they just find enough votes to get this stuff through. There are secret Republicans that call themselves Democrats. I think normal people and Democratic voters are starting to get a little wise to it, I guess. You know, and I think maybe not to this particular tactic, perhaps in terms of that being more widely spread, but like Democrats acting as Republicans, people understand that with their AIPAC donations. That's starting to be at the very least. common knowledge amongst Democratic voters. But the six Democrats who voted for this bill were Henry Quayar, typical. He's a, an anti-abortion Democrat who narrowed, was almost defeated by a phenomenal candidate, Jessica Cisneros, but Nancy Pelosi and Jim Clyburn intervene on his behalf. Don Davis, who's a typical vote on this. Jared Golden, a typical vote on this. Adam Gray of California, Vincenta Gonzalez of Texas, and. Mary Glucencamp Perez, who... You know, she'll be kitsy on her pet issues, but when it comes to supporting the establishment, she is as establishment as it gets. There were seven Republicans who opposed it, Breach and Tim Burchett, Kane, Higaman, Anna Pollyaluna, Chip Roy, and of course Thomas Massie, but yet it passed. And the most controversial portion, which we were asking our audience to call their representatives about. One of the most controversial portions was Section 219, the provision that essentially effectively requires the United States to entangle itself with Israeli military technology and have the U.S. military collaborate with it in a permanent way that moves outside of the, you know, traditional kind of democratic input in Congress about this thing as Israel sees. public opinion slipping away. Yeah, instead of aid, we're partnering. Mm-hmm. There's a reason that Benjamin Netanyahu keeps going on TV saying, I told Lindsey Graham, we don't want any more American aid before he died. And he insisted and got very upset with me at this notion. Just give us the wing of the Pentagon instead. Yes, it's because they know that this is the tactic that they're pursuing, especially because Israel relies on U.S. funding in this permanent way.

from a memorandum of understanding that expires in 2028. What else happens in 2028? Like, it's going to be one of the biggest campaign issues. So Benjamin Netanyahu is like, all right, let's get this, let's get this done. I mean, it literally creates a new position at the Pentagon that has that that person is tasked with integrating Israeli military tech into the U.S. military and vice versa. It creates a whole new office in person. personnel, I should say, to deal with this. APEC was thrilled about this. Here is their press release. Today, the House of Representatives passed its fiscal year 2027 NDAA, which includes key provisions that strengthen the U.S.-Israel Defense Partnership. 750 million for U.S.-Israel cooperation program, 65 million increase over fiscal year 2026. I would just draw a line under a defense partnership. This is the partnership that started the war that has the world economy melting down. Yes, it's the... Not a defensive war. The genocide partnership, which, you know, this is like they're putting the ring on it. Yeah, exactly. Or like, you become a partner now. You used to be an understudy. Let's get a joint checking account. That's essentially what... Well, I mean... Well, yeah. Seems like we kind of... Yeah, I get it. All right. It's not perfect, Matt. Okay. So, a $65 million increase over fiscal year 2026, including $500 million for missile defense, $100 million for counter-unman systems. $100 million for subterranean operations, $50 million for emerging technologies, et cetera. APAC is absolutely thrilled. Thanks Representative Ronnie Jackson and Don Davis for putting this forward. The Democrat, who I just mentioned, voted for the NDAA. And this Presbyterian. This Republican Party just won an election. With Trump running on no new wars, and I'm going to fix the economy. And he started the worst war. He can't get out of it because Iran has won. And now U.S. service members are dying. He's going on true social and saying, like, let's compare the 18 U.S. service member deaths to the... Afghanistan war to the Vietnam War. You let Bush have so many deaths. And then it's so, yeah, exactly. It's so stupid too because he lists wars and then goes, Iran military operation. Like, come on, bro. We know what this is. But anyway, here's Trump now. saying that the four service members who have died since the resumption of hostilities in this war in Iran, which Israel dragged us into, they actually were in favor of the effort. How he would know this? We don't know. But this is how despicable this guy is. He's literally putting words in the mouths of dead soldiers who just died on behalf of his insane war. Our heroes, and they are indeed great heroes, actually.

They said, and all of them said very strongly, we cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. They won't have a nuclear weapon. So we're going to honor them. And one of the hardest things to do, for me, it's one of the hardest things to do as a president. But it has to be done. I'll get over it. Has to be done. They said very strongly. I like when he says that, yeah, right, like. Like, that it's hard for him. What did he just say? It's hard for, this is one of the hardest things I do talk about these dead kids. Anyway. Anyway. The ballroom. Yeah, what's in the menu? There's a little bit more here. He gets a little bit more heartfelt here. Just another 20 seconds. Okay. All I'm going to say is, we love you. We love your child. And that's what they are to them. They're their children. There's no games, no nothing. That's their child. And all you can do is throw out your heart. Thank you. Thank you very. That's all they are to them is unlike my daughter, who's both my child and my sexual fantasy. My muse. It reminds it when Conoroi was trying not to say anything about that pedophile guy. Right, right. They were children to them, and now they're dead. Exactly. These were human beings. They had parents, presumably, and now they're gone. That's his attempt to look at human. You've got to throw your heart out to them. We have a word from one of our sponsors from Sam. And then we will be back speaking to Austin Coker about the escalation of ICE arrests under Markwayne Mullin recently. Thank you, Emma. You know, I'd like to thank Zock Doc for sponsoring today's episode. ZocDoc has been literally personally helpful for me. You know, I had a longtime doctor in the city. I had a long time dentist in the city, but I was out of the city. I had a dental emergency. How are you going to find a dentist? Well, I hopped on Zoc Doc. It's a totally free app. Go through. Look at the reviews. Look at the profiles of the doctor, in this case, dentists. And who's going to take my insurance? Bingo, bango. Then one click, I've made an appointment. I was able to score an appointment the next morning. And there it is. Emergency crown repair. Look, finding a doctor. making an appointment with a doctor or a dentist or a dermatologist, which you should do on a regular basis, make sure you don't have any skin cancer, whatever. Zokok has something like, I don't know how many specialties, like 200 different specialties. They've got doctors, over 100,000 doctors across the country. Look, you don't want to be in pain. You don't want to let stuff go. You don't want to get, you have your teeth get worse.

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But alongside all of that, there is actually a massive push towards enforcement that looks less like Minneapolis and more like the everyday policing that we've seen for decades. So they're doing it more quietly, as you say, with less of a kind of fascistic flourish and Stephen Miller frothing at the mouth on television. But Mullen is... doing more hitting quotas more than known was with less public backlash how are they achieving that when you talk about more you know traditional immigration policing what does that look like Sure. And for communities who are affected, I always want to be a little bit, you know, hedge this just a little bit. If you're in a community that's affected, it doesn't feel quiet to you, right? Like it feels like ICE is very much in your neighborhood. But the quietly part really is about, is referencing, you know, what happened in Minneapolis was staged. It was a concerted effort to draw headlines and to generate confrontation. It was intentionally about that. And that, as I mentioned, generated backlash. And so ICE is doing when it's done for a long time, which is, you know, frankly, just objectively more effective is why would you generate that kind of backlash in Minneapolis when, you know, ICE is doing what it's been doing for a long time, just in higher numbers, which is, you know, when people come in to do their... check-in when they actually follow the law and the requirements, they get arrested. This is about ICE making traffic stops one at a time and pulling people over and taking people into custody. It's about ICE taking people into custody from local jails through agreements and partnerships that they have with state and local law enforcement to take people into custody that way. They're still doing, and again, it's very aggressive. We've seen videos. We have documentation. I just talked with the ACLU about a massive report that they just released a couple days ago that shows widespread abuse of use of force, of, again, you know, justifying people in their vehicles, smashing windows, shooting into vehicles when they claim that someone is directing their car at them, whether or not that's true. So we're still seeing those tactics. We're just seeing it less concentrated in a particular urban area. And that's driving, again, just record arrest numbers. It's really remarkable to see. And you mentioned also detention numbers. It's not at an all-time high as of now that we know of. Matt, if you could just pull up this graph, the first one in this article. This is where we're at with the ICE detention population. And I want to talk about this as a way to also discuss deaths in detention because we know that at least 50 people have died in ICE detention. Again, this is what we know of.

Trump took office. And now it's over 60 deaths when you include the ICE shootings and killings and also, of course, the traffic death in Florida that happened, I guess, last week or two weeks ago at this point. You know, you mentioned the ACLU report about these conditions. What are you hearing about detention and these detention deaths across the country? Sure. So these detention centers, many of the largest are for-profit facilities and they have an incentive to spend as little money as possible on care. And diagnosing care, you know, when people come into ICE detention, ICE is, you know, let's remember that ICE is pulling people off the streets. These are, you know, people who, some of whom have chronic. medical conditions. They may have disabilities, as we've seen, physical, emotional, psychological disabilities. They may develop, you know, worsen medical conditions while they're in detention because of the nature of detention, or it could be that they have a chronic medical condition that's managed well outside the facility, but once they're inside, as we've seen many times, ICE takes their medication, does not provide them with the medication that they need, and doesn't do really a full diagnosis, and then doesn't really... respond when individuals in custody are saying, hey, I have a heart condition. I need my medication. I'm diabetic. I'm whatever. ICE and the staff, the contractors are not responsive. And so what that means is you're just setting up a whole system where people who would be fine under normal conditions face life-threatening. circumstances, and it's already cost the lives of 50 people, including most recent victim of ICE custody, which is Jesus Manuel Arenas Silva, who died during transport. So we often think about deaths in detention as being in detention facilities, but it could be in ICE custody anytime. So it could be in transferring between facilities. It could be in a temporary hold room, as we saw in Texas. It could even be individuals dying in a hospital facility. where they're still in custody, but they're in a hospital for various reasons and they die there too. So it's really tragic what we're seeing right now. Yeah, that's right. Of course. The death that you're talking about in the transfer death, you know, they ignored that his family said, hey, can you bring? his medication and he died within days and was saying to his family that he was not getting the medical care that he needed and this is what happened um i like there's got to be i i would imagine at some point efforts for class action lawsuits against these four private for profit private prison companies would there is there are there rumblings about that Sure. I mean, there's lawsuits underway already, and there have been lawsuits against these facilities for decades. In fact, much of what we know about these facilities comes out of lawsuits where, again, very often the lawsuits take so long, and the agency and its subcontractors fight so much against transparency and accountability that it makes it hard for remedies to sort of arrive.

in time for people who are held there now. But we know from lawsuits over the last decades that these facilities have ultimately been found culpable and liable for not providing adequate care and for contributing, exacerbating, or causing the death and medical hardship for people. So yes, absolutely. And the question is just, how long will it take to wind through the courts? Under normal circumstances, you know, any sort of responsible agency would want some accountability mechanisms in place so that when things do go wrong, there is a way to address these issues internally without costing taxpayers, all the money of having to take lawsuits to court, which it does cost our taxpayer dollars, goes to paying for the attorneys and U.S. attorneys to fight these cases into the Department of Justice. It costs people who are trying to fight these cases, time and effort, and attorney. these fees and all of that. So it's a really expensive endeavor. But again, this is not an agency that's ever loved accountability and oversight by any means. But this administration has certainly completely trashed whatever, you know, little bit of accountability and oversight was was in place when at the start of the administration. The other lie that they use to justify their brutality that I think people are beginning to see through and the data is immensely clear is that they're just going after criminals. Here we have this. Another helpful chart from your substack. This is the share of the detained population in ICE by criminal history. So these aren't raw numbers. These are percentages here on the Y axis. So you can see in 2024 towards the end of Biden's term, you know, that hovers between 60 and 70 percent. And then there's a huge drop off as Trump's... agenda gets underway. And now the convicted criminal share is, I mean, in a close third place, I guess almost tied with people with pending criminal charges, which again is not somebody who's a convicted criminal and they still should have due process. It's the same as the other immigration violator piece that is now the highest percentage, which essentially means people who are here without documentation, which is a a civil offense and they are being treated, you know, like they are the worst of the worst with and their rights have entirely been stripped away. And many people are dying in custody because they just don't have proper immigration documentation. Yeah, that's right. And one thing I have to qualify with this administration is even within that category of other immigration violator, in the past, it was a little bit more certain that those individuals. probably were very likely or did have a removal order or some clear immigration violations. But what we've seen this administration do is arrest people who are in the country lawfully, who entered the country lawfully. So even this other immigration violator, even that category, which I'm using the agency's categories there, of course. And I think your viewers will understand that the criminal legal system itself is by no means perfect. And we don't need to accept, you know, just because someone has a criminal conviction doesn't automatically mean that.

I think they should be deported. But the point here is that even within that other immigration violator, it includes a whole swath of people who actually have never even broken the law. They're simply being detained because of the massive, expansive authority that ICE has to arrest anyone who isn't a citizen and hold them. So it's really concerning. In fact, I'll just add, you know, I was down at Capitol Hill yesterday in D.C. standing next to a 20-year combat veteran from the U.S. Army, whose wife Arellis, his name is retired staff sergeant, Wilmer Trujillo, his wife Arellis, has been held since June 10th. She has no criminal history. She's married to a U.S. citizen who's a 20-year combat veteran, and he's trying to get his wife out so that she can come home while she goes through the normal immigration process. She actually has a pending case. She doesn't need to be detained. And so that's the people that this administration is going after, not the worst of the worst. God, I remember that case now, and there's just so many of these in the news that we have to keep track of. I commend you, of course, you know, and appreciate your advocacy down in Washington on this. Before we let you go, I wanted to point out this other piece, which I hadn't known about until reading your substack on this. There's a chart, if you scroll down a little bit, Matt, with red in it. This is that. That's the one. Okay, so. You also are tracking how people are leaving ICE detention. And this new, for the podcast audience, I guess this is, you know, at the end of 2025, you'll see these red bars here. That's court-ordered releases. October 2025 through May 26 is the data that you've aggregated here. And this is a new category. court ordered in terms of how people leave ICE detention. If you could explain what that category is, why it's been added, and additionally, just overall information about how people are getting out of these gulags. Certainly. I mean, still the primary path for people who are in detention to get out is through deportation. ICE is still deporting a higher rate of people out of detention than we've seen in a very long time. So can't sugarcoat that part. But I do think this is really important, and I'm glad you highlighted it, because what it shows is that more than we've seen in a very long time, federal judges, not immigration judges, but real federal judges on the bench. And the federal courts are saying, This detention is unlawful, this detention is unlawful, this detention is unlawful, and ordering ICE to release people because a combination of a groundswell of community support, along with the very concerned attorneys who are saying, look, this agency is holding a lot of people. Not all of those detentions are even lawful under the current law, as broken as it is. And so ICE has been reporting on this. It's possible.

I think that the agency is probably doing it because it represents a larger number of cases. I also think they're doing it because, you know, in the interest of the administration, they want to say, look at these activist judges. You know, we're not releasing people because we want to. Activist judges are making us, whatever. But it does show that, you know, that legal activism and, well, it's not even legal activism. That's unfair. Just actually basic due process, just getting a real federal judge to look at a case. often has the advantage of actually finding that ICE is breaking the law. And with these deportations, are we still seeing the administration just draw people off in countries that they maybe even have no background in? I mean, there's like sadistic stuff that they're doing, dropping people off on entirely different continents, continents, for example. Yeah, they sure are. So, you know, this is what we in the biz call third country removals. There's a lot of third country removals still happening. And that just means, you know, if someone can't be deported to the country. where they have citizenship or where they were born, the government does have an option or does have a way to just find any other country that will take them and deport them there. It's not always used just when a person can't be deported to their home country. You know, Kilmer Obrigo-Gasia, for instance, has agreed for months and months to be deported to his home country. And DHS keeps saying, no, we don't want to do that. We want to deport you to a third country, let's say, in the middle of Africa. basically as a kind of retaliation and punishment. And so that's absolutely happening. It's very concerning in their projects to track that and push back against that. Well, I encourage everybody, as we always do when you come on to subscribe to your substack, Austin Koker Research Assistant Professor at Syracuse University. Austin is doing a lot of great work here tracking ICE and making sure that we're up to date, even as the administration tries to obscure all of this. So really appreciate your time today. Thanks so much. Absolutely. Thanks, Emma. With that, folks, we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we'll be talking to Cori Bush, who is running once again for her former seat in Missouri's first congressional district. We'll be right back after this.

We are back and we are joined now by Cori Bush, former U.S. representative and candidate for Congress in Missouri's first congressional district. Corey, welcome to the show. It's great to see you. Yeah. Thank you for having me. Of course. So, you know, we've just had Jamal Bowman on the show last week and he was about to get on the plane to head to see you to support your... candidacy. And we spoke about your race a little bit because obviously before Thomas Massie was ousted by this deluge of APAC money in his primary, your race and Bowman's race were the two most expensive congressional primaries in history. And that was in large part due to APAC spending around $9 million in your race. And in total at the time in 2024, there was over $15 million in outside spending. If you could just reflect on the 2024 race and why you chose to kind of just immediately jump back in the fray and have this rematch with the Israel lobby. You know, 2024 was tough. You know, it was tough on so many levels because, you know, after introducing the ceasefire now resolution with my dear sister, Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, People who were our friends, our allies, people who we have been in solidarity with for a long time, a lot of them turned on us, didn't want to talk to us. We had, we were even heard from the White House, you know, that we were disgraceful or that our effort was disgraceful and repugnant. And so people just disconnected. And so we felt that. on the ground as well. And so the ads just made it even worse. It was, you know, people were believing the ads. People were confused by the ads, especially when you put. $15 million into a Midwest media market and you flood the airways with it and it's misinformation, disinformation lies, distortions that never once mentioned the real agenda. So it was tough. It was the toughest race I had ever been through and probably the toughest one that I had ever seen anybody else that I know go through. But I will say this. It built me up and it made me ready for this fight that we're in right now. The one thing it did not do was silence me. It didn't shut me up. It didn't push me into a corner. It didn't make me change my positions. All it did was push me even further into my beliefs. And because what I understand is that this, you know, egregious push to get me out of the way. impacted my community, really impacted St. Louis. So someone who knows how to go after the federal dollars for the community that's willing to sleep on the steps of the Capitol to make sure that people are, that families have homes, you know, someone who is, who will speak out against atrocities and human rights violations that does not have to poll for moral clarity, somebody that leads from the front and does not have to ask for permission. St. Louis lost that. And that infuriated me. And so that's,

So I had to jump back out. I jumped back out first because people asked me to the community. Emma, the community was stopping me at gas stations at the grocery store, you know, saying, we need you to run again. A lady jumped out of the car, you know, when she saw me walking down the street and was like, you're a great bushy, you got to run. So it was a community. But then when I was looking at. I got a chance to just really sit back and look at what wasn't happening. You know, a tornado ripped through our community, an EF3 ripped through St. Louis, and it really devastated a community that was already historically excluded and under-resourced. And our congressman, he didn't help. enough he didn't do the work one year later there has been zero um zero investment from the federal government um into this um you know where money could have been brought into the community that he could have worked for there has been zero investment what do you make of that is it just like his you know the kind of politician that takes this kind of corporate money is just not somebody who's going to fight in a variety of different ways I think it's multiple things. One being that this isn't his work. I've been working on Medicare for all, Green New Deal, livable wage, you know, anti-imperialism and all of these things being anti-war, anti-genocide, and just so many of our issues, you know, voting rights and just all of the things for over a decade. deeply working in those areas before I ever entered Congress. For him, he's just now learning these things as he entered Congress. You know, he had never once spoke about Medicare for All before entering Congress. They've never been to any of our rallies or protests, actions about Medicare for All or any of these other issues that I just spoke about. And so now he's the legislator. So one, he just doesn't have the foundation in the background, but also I don't think he has the human will. One thing about it is I entered the role as an organizer. I'm an organizer. I'm an advocate, and that's what I bring to the table. I have those relationships. I have that background, and he does not. And so, and the other thing is, Emma, I studied Congress before I ever went. I studied the people. I study legislation. I study policy. And I wanted to also, I study people I didn't like, because I wanted to know, how do I not end up them? You know, so I did all of that. And so I don't think that he has that background. So he's just existing. We work for it because who's going to out, you know. You don't have to fundraise from small dollars. Like it's just there for you. It, it, it, it both incentivizes, like, laziness in terms of how you're, like, serving your constituents, but also itself selects for lazy people who are, like, willing to hand over their campaign operations essentially to be like, all right. Outside spending will do my work for me. I can vacation or do whatever I want. Like that is part of what draws people like Bell to take that kind of money. And I want to get back to you sleeping on the capital steps to over the eviction moratorium, which was like a great moment for you in Congress. And I'll ask about that next. But you mentioned how.

after you and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar and Rashid-Tlib and like that group of just a few, a handful, and maybe it wasn't a handful, how many signed on to the ceasefire resolution initially? It was less than 20, right? When it was like 13. 13, yeah. So a dozen or so plus the You mentioned that there was a chill then from the rest of the caucus in Congress. Do you sense, have you heard from your former colleagues that that has changed? And if you could just describe what that is like and how you're probably just thinking, I'm standing up against the carpet bombing of children right now and people are acting like I stink. Yeah, it was, you know, it was unbelievable, but also. hearing from some people who would whisper in my ear and say, I'm with you. I believe the same as you, but I just can't be public about it. So keep going. You know, I would hear that. But I have heard from my former colleagues from some of them. And it's different. It's so different. You know, we couldn't, like people didn't even say Palestine when I enter Congress. Like that wasn't even a thing. We were saying it, but it was not just a, It was not really a thing. And so even that is different. To see the Ro Khanna Thomas Massie, you know, amendment for that to happen, completely a different world. How many people have signed on to Rep. Ramirez block the bombs? You know, so much has changed and happened. And people, I think, too, the understanding about, like, who? Palestinians are, is even different in Congress. I remember hearing some people say that they just had not really had very many conversations to even understand what was going on and understand the history. And so so much of that has changed now. And at the end of the day, We're Democrats. Aren't we supposed to be against human rights violations? Aren't we supposed to be the ones that are speaking up for people's humanity? And aren't we the party of civil rights? So that should be the lowest bar. Right. Right. And what I think that those colleagues who didn't sign on don't understand is that people don't believe you if that is not universally applied. And they think it may not apply to them when they vote for them. You know, and I mentioned how there wasn't just APAC that spent in that race against you on behalf of your opponent, Wesley Bell. There was $15 million in total outside spending, APEC, was 9 million of that. But you talked about how you slept on the Capitol steps to combat the eviction moratorium. With housing being so central right now to people's, I think, you know,

frustration with our political system, how expensive it is for rent, it just continues to climb and the percentage of people's income that's getting chewed up by rent continues to climb it's at an all-time high. Like, what do you make of that moment when the eviction moratorium expired and how that coincided with this housing crisis? Like, how do you reflect on that time in Congress and what would you do? in the future if you were to get reelected. Thinking about had I not been in the seat and if the current congressman was in the seat at that time, what would he have done? He would not have. camped out on the steps of the Capitol. There would have been an end to the eviction moratorium. 11 million people would have immediately been at risk for evictions. Many of those folks would have ended up on the street. 7,000 people would have been impacted in our district alone, which means we would not be at a place right now where those people would have been able to find. permanent housing there so the housing crisis the um the housing crisis would have just been the unhoused crisis would have just gotten Just in a place where I don't think we would be able to recover probably for a decade or two. I just don't believe that the will, the priority, the value is there from some of our friends. And also, when we're talking about whole families, you know, it's... One thing when you're an individual and you become unhoused, it's another thing when you're a family. And we have not fixed the housing crisis. I mean, we have not fixed the unhoused crisis already. And to put all of those people at risk. So what I would do differently, so one, when I reflect on it, that's the thing. It's what would it look like now had I not been there? Two, right now. What we're looking at in my district is we still have people who are unhoused a year after the tornado and people who are sleeping in tents and going from hotel to hotel. Some people who just get to stare at the bricks that were once their homes. And they don't have help. They don't have true help coming, especially from the federal government. But they do get to see their congressmen take lavish trips to Israel. They do get to see their congressmen go and have dinners at restaurants and key key it. You know, they get to see that.

What I would be doing is, first of all, it would have brought the investment before now. What we cannot do is say, well, somebody told me no. Or it's hard to get funding because of who is in the White House. So it's so hard. So let's just wait until Democrats take control again one day. So all of you people, all of you, my constituents, you know, wait. That's what we're saying. Sleep in the tense because. it's uncomfortable for me to work for you. That's what we're seeing from him right now. I wouldn't be doing that. I would have been on the ground the same way that I was. And it's with the 22 floods we had locally where people were displaced. I would have been on the ground with the people. I would have been knocking on the city, the state, the county. federal doors, looking at buckets, seeing where we bring the money home. And like I did with the flood, I brought $82 million and then another $27 million for our metro rails. That's what I would have been doing. The thing is it's no is just a word. It's a word. It's a barrier until you get to the word, yes. Yeah. Right. Keep pushing. I also, I mean, I don't really have a question on this, but I do, did want to remind people that you were one of the people that, and you were spearheading the effort to remove the January 6ers from Congress as well. So you're also not. a shrinking violet. That's not a reference to the color of your shirt. You're not a shrinking violet when it comes to those damn Republican insurrectionists as well in Congress. But, you know, I'm curious about how you think about how Democrats are now acknowledging that affordability is the agenda item or the buzzword that they need to kind of emphasize. Because you were one of the few, you know, working class representatives that came into Congress during that period. And it feels like there's a lot of Democrats that want to say the word affordability, but they don't want to touch anything like that Zohran Mamdani had been doing, for example, that made affordability the new thing that, you know, Chuck Schumer and Jeffrey say there should be how Democrats kind of brand themselves. What do you think about like what affordability really means and what Democrats should be pushing? Well, first, you can't really talk about affordability when your campaign coffers say, I'm working to, you know, the money in here makes your life more expensive, you know, as a Democrat. When we continue to take money from big pharma, from war profiteers, we're taking money from the chemical industry, you know. How are you able to, you know, it's hypocritical. So the, when we look at our, we just look at Congress, but it's on the state level as well. How do we get to a place where the people actually respect our members of Congress?

and our other legislators if we are taking money from both sides. Affordability means that you make my life less expensive. It means that you work to lower utility costs because we know that across our communities that every single year that is getting hotter in the summer, but those, but our energy costs are going up. We know that climate change is actually real. And so we're seeing more disasters. We're seeing and we know that the investment is not there. So what do we do on the front end to make sure that people have what they need? Is their funding to make sure that people are able to get their roofs, you know, taking care of it, to make sure that they can have? that they can have those repaired every 10 years or whatever it is so that they can, you know, so that they can not have their root fall in, you know, during the disaster. Is there, you know, we lower gas prices. Can we not send money to war? Can we not spend our money, you know, bombing other countries? Can we keep the money here and lower gas costs and lower groceries? When, if we would have gotten a bill back better, a better act, Emma, and I always go back to this, and I know that I am preaching to the congregation with you on this. But had we got the bill back better act, I truly feel people would not have been voting for Donald Trump over the price of eggs. So when we talk about affordability and how we lower prices, you have to look at what the every, the regular everyday person in our communities, what they need. They need childcare. Child care is bananas. Build back better act would have. taking care of child care costs, you know, for our two through five year olds, first time in 100 years. So that is, when we talk about affordability, you can't say that I care about, you know, I care about what's happening in your home. You can't say I want you to have health care and I want to lower those costs, but you're funded by the health care industry. You're funded by these energy companies. So that's true affordability, but that's. why they can't talk about it probably. Right, right, right. And it's not going to, it's not going to work if they just say the word. I'm telling you now. I mean, there needs to be substance behind it. Lastly, you mentioned your work as an organizer and you have the DSA endorsement in, in St. Louis. And what does that mean to you? Because I think we're seeing across the country with, I mean, of course, in New York, but even in Denver, how. in how DSA really does give certain candidates an advantage when there's so much money on the other side because of organizing, because DSA has people that are committing their time to the organization and then thus to campaigns like yours, as an organizer, what advantages do you see for having DSA in your corner in addition to just, of course, you know, ideologically aligning with the agenda of democratic socialism. Well,

DSA and I have been together for a long time. And one thing about them, and I'll start first talking about St. Louis DSA, amazing organizers, absolutely amazing. You don't have to tell them how to put together a field plan, like a field plan. You don't have to tell them how to organize around the campaign. They not only know how to do it, they make a point to say, we got this. You organize your campaign. We have our own campaign for you that we're going to put together. They tell you when to show up. This is what we're doing. If you can show up, please do. You know, they are, they run. their own campaign for their candidates in a way that says, we're prioritizing you in the way that we're here for what you need, but we're not going to burden you with what we think you need. And so that has been so tremendous. They've been knocking doors for months. Like they started knocking doors when it was cold in St. Louis. It's the Midwest. It was horrible, but they were knocking doors then. And they have, you know, not only knocking doors, but making calls and raising money. They have, they spearhead organizing for candidates. And that is what is so important. They know how to stand up their own campaigns. What it has meant, though, also is because we share. so many of the same values because they believe, I don't have to worry about when they're knocking doors and, you know, them saying something or them believing something that is, um, is so like far off. What they believe is in humanity, what they believe is every single person deserves, um, to have dignity and humanity. But they, you know, they believe that, um, every worker deserves a fair wage. They believe in abolishing ice. They believe, you know, and so like, we share that. So they, and the other thing is, I don't. Sometimes when people help you, you have to teach them about your values. You have to help them to understand like the foundation of why I believe this and what it really means, even if they don't agree. You don't have to do that with DSA. They're telling you too. They're like, hey, you know, like, can we talk about this too? And you're like, yes, all of the things. And so that's what they bring. They bring all of the things to the table. So shout out to St. Louis DSA. Shout out to national DSA. Like, let's get this win. Yeah, I mean, here, here. We're rooting for you, Corey. I mean, it was an absolute travesty for democracy that there was that money cannon that was, you know, fired at your race in 2024. But people are waking up to APAC and to what this kind of outside spending really means about these candidates. So I really appreciate your time today. Cori Bush, outside, not outside, early voting has already started in Missouri. But August 4th, right? That's Election Day, August 4th? Yes. That's a big one. That's Michigan as well with Abdul El-Sayed. So we'll be, of course, covering your race and watching it with close attention. Where can people support your campaign? And what do you need most in these critical final less than two weeks? We really need, first of all.

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Yeah, go on Winamp to Limewire. We're also available for rent at Blockbuster, if you want to see those full episodes. That is not Kentucky fried, French fries. Man of the people, join the Majority Report.com. Brandon, hello. Hello. Hello. What is happening on the discourse? Well, we have been checking in, I think this yesterday, and so the clip should be up, with the health of Mitch McConnell, who has been missing for almost 40 days now. He's taken off work for late Lent. I didn't know he was Catholic, but I suppose that this is just his way of coming out as Catholic. And so along with that and the Charlie, the cursed Charlie statue that they're going to be unveiling in Times Square in September 10th. I mean, we've been keeping busy. Have you heard the new weapon theory about what exactly it was that killed Charlie, Brandon? When you say new weapon theory, you have to really, really specify because I heard a lot of weapon theories. And it's tied to the Israeli pager stuff. Okay. That he, his actually lapel mic was an explosive device. That's not new. That's not a new theory. Yeah. That's like, that's like that's the. That's a classic theory about it. And I've heard that before. I've also heard that synchronized shooters. Like there was a second shooter in the crowd. I've heard that actually it was like the stool that shot him. I personally think that if you're going to come up with. I just think that those things make the conspiracies seem less realistic because it's just really easy to shoot someone in America, like as we've seen so much. And so there's no reason to do it that way. Especially like to have an exploding mic or stool that what shoots you up the ass? Like what are we talking about here? Well, I mean, even if you want to compare it to the issue. It's not, though, right? Because if you want to compare it to the Israeli pager attack, that was a terrorist attack meant to sow terror in the Lebanese people in Hezbollah. And Israel took responsibility for that. You can't take a responsibility for a terror attack. I mean, you can't scare people or have your political message to be known if you... don't take responsibility for this like terror attack in this case because the only reason we know that it's supposed to be because israel did is because candace came out afterwards and said it like if they if she hadn't done that people wouldn't have known that it was supposed to be like israel teaching us not to like distance themselves like i'm just saying it doesn't really make sense to me personally why they would do it that way versus any other way because it doesn't really send the same message that the uh the pager attack did Right. Israel would be doing it for propaganda value as well. I'm hung up on the stool shooting him. Now, that's not an explosive stool. Is it like one of the legs is like a rifle? The leg has opposable thumbs. I have to imagine it's not like being driven by some kind of explosive device. I have to imagine it's like some kind of pneumatic thing. Like it uses like air, like compressed air to shoot out because there's no bullet fragment in their imagination and some of their imaginations. I'm not really a, I'm not a believer.

and any of this stuff. I'm going to put that out there. I've been much more enchanted. That's good to know. With holographic Charlie theory. Like you guys know holographic Charlie theory? That's the one where Charlie is with a hologram that day. And so nothing happened to him. And he's like living with Tupac. Was it a holographic blood all over the pavement too? Oh. Well, I mean, they can do a lot of really crazy things with holograms now. One in every three people you pass on the street is a hologram now and you don't even notice. I think I found a diagram of the assassination plot. You can put this up here. This is from the Wikipedia for Rube Goldberg machines. Gotcha. And they must have gotten some Rube to trigger it by, speaking of, by like, I don't know, leaving a trail of M&Ms, like for E.T. and then the box closes, and then all of that goes into effect, and that's how Charlie died. That makes more sense to me than the stool theory. Well, not to change topics back to the first thing I said, but do you guys know what's going on with Mitch McConnell? Because I am actually, like, quite taken with the fact that you've been missing. And introduce Binder, who has been patiently waiting to weigh in. But you're Mike, see, you're muted. You might have even tried to weigh in and we weren't able to hear you. Is it working now? He's going to refresh there. Oh, refresh. Yeah. Did we get all the plugs in, Brandon? Did you plug? Oh, wait. Well, yeah. Did you plug the discourse or did we just talk about that? We just talked about the discourse. You should definitely go over. We are actually only 500 people now, basically, from 25,000 subscribers over on the discourse. So I think that you should go over to the discourse with Brandon on YouTube or with Twitch and sign up today. We're actually only like 50 people with from 9,000 on Twitch, which is. I mean, pretty good in my opinion. So definitely be in on the ground floor. Because then in the future, when people are like, wow, did you like, do you watch the discourse? You can go like, I've been watching the discourse since before you even heard of it. You can go like full hipster on them. You can be like, I was being enlightened by Brandon while you were still like in the dark ages of your life. Well, this is where you need to get merch so that that merch can be sold to the initial members and it'd be a limited edition and then they'll be able to have like a physical piece of evidence for how much cooler they are than the other fans. I will say people also, that's a good idea. And I will maybe look into that. But people also say they like my thumbnails. So even if you don't like my videos, you can go over to my channel and look at all of the thumbnails that I create. It's a visual feast. We have Binderback, I believe. He's joining in just a second. Then we'll head into the fun half. No, it's all right. Teacher Ryan says guns don't kill people. Amish making oak stools kill people. It's true. It's true. Oh, and I should say. Okay. Well, check out the leftist mafia tonight. Yeah. Definitely do. We've also been keeping up with the downward spiral of Russell Brand. So if you're into that, too, definitely check it out. Oh, interesting. I do need to catch up on that. Yes. We'll check that. Everybody check that out, folks. Okay, we will check out the leftist mafia tonight. And Mapender's other work, we will see you in the fun half.

Okay, Emma, please. Well, I just, I feel that my voice is sorely lacking in the majority report. Wait, what? Look, Sam is unpopular. I do deserve a vacation at Disney World. So, ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to welcome Emma to the show. It is Thursday. I think you need to take over for Sam. Yes, police. Sir, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pause you right there. Wait, what? You can't encourage Emma to live like this. And I'll tell you why. So it's offered a twerk, sushi, and poker. Boys. Twere? Sushi and poker with the boys. Who was offered a twer? Yeah. Sushi and poker with the boys. What? Twerp. Sushi and poker with the boys. Tim's upset? Twerp. Sushi and poker with the boys. He was offered a twerk. Sushi and... Ah, that's what we call bids. Twerp. Sushi and poker with the boys. Bright. Twer. Sushi and... I just think that what you did to Tim Poole was mean. Free speech. That's not what we're about here. Look at how sad he's become now. You shouldn't even talk about it because I think you're responsible. I probably am in a certain way, but let's get to the meltdown here. Twerk? Ugh. Sushi and poker with the boys. Oh my God. Twerk? Wow. Sushi. I'm sorry. I'm losing my fucking mind. Someone's offered a twerk. Yeah. Sushi and poker with the boys. Logic. Twerp.

I think I'm like a little kid twerk. I think I'm like a little kid. Add this debate seven thousand times. I think I'm like a little kid. I think I'm like a little kid. I'm losing my fucking eyes. Some people just don't understand. So I'm not trying to be a dip right now, but like I absolutely think the U.S. should be providing me with a wife and kids. That's not what we're talking about here. It's not a fun job. It's not a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. That's a real thing. Sam has like the weight of the world on the shoulders. Sam doesn't want to do this show anymore. It was so much easier. One of the majority of report was just you. You were happy. Let's change the subject. Rangers and Nick are going great. Now, shut up. Don't want people saying reckless things on your program. That's one of the most difficult parts about this show. This is a pro-killing podcast. I'm thinking maybe it's time we buried the hatchet. Left is best. Trump. Violet twerk.

fun of Israel, dude. Are you against us? That's a tougher question. I have an answer to you. God. Incredible theme song. I bumblers. Emma Viglin, absolutely one of my favorite people. Actually, not just in the game, like, period.