Kohberger Claims He's INNOCENT, and Harry and Meghan's Royal Thirst, with Howard Blum, Mark Geragos, Ashleigh Merchant, and Dan Wootton | Ep. 1369

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We'll get into that phrase, broken plea a little later, explaining what it appears to mean. Almost four years after the murders, the Kohlberger case continues to be of immense interest to the nation, to the point where this news broke late yesterday, and it just so happens that tomorrow a new Netflix series is set to debut on this entire case. Here's a bit of the trailer. Dispatching Moscow law ambulance for Unconsciousness 1122 King Road. Okay, stay back there, please. Fuck. The Moscow Police Department, you're in here now for South. We're in third floor going up. We have two additional deceased on the third floor. We're going to need everybody. We've got four deceased. Hi, my name is Zana Kronodle. You can shit, Betty. Kali can solve us. Say hi, Maddie. Maddie and Keeley were like sisters. I love you. Dana and Ethan were so cute together, just made a lot of sense. I would have never believed what occurred at that house that night. It was absolutely horrific. We were waiting for an arrest. There was no information. We had a thousand questions. We were all together, and then Maddie left with Kali to go to the club. I heard a scream because she saw someone. Why these kids in this house? A lot to unpack here. We're going to bring in our Kelly's Court panel in a moment, but first, someone who knows more about this case than just about anyone. Howard Bloom, the author of When the Night Comes Falling, which is all about this case. When it comes to supplements, there are two things that matter. That it works, that you can trust it. Rather than just tell you about Relief Factor, we often bring you what their real customers have to say about them. One, Jim said he ran out of Relief Factor twice and both times his aches, stiffness, and pain came back. Once he restarted it, he says he felt better again. As Jim puts it, quote, you know something's working when you run out of it. They make it easy to find out if you will be the next person telling Relief Factor about how much it helps you tackle your daily aches and pain. Three weeks for just $17.76. Simply go to relieffactor.com or call 1-800-4 relief. That's 1-800 the number four relief. You'll connect with their friendly local team and they will do everything they can to help you. And maybe you'll be sharing your relief factor story with them soon too. Howard, welcome back. It's great to see you. Nice to see you too. Are you surprised to see Colberger's own hand writing this motion to get his guilty plea withdrawn? Not really. It was just a matter of time before he wanted to get back into the spotlight. And...

We all saw these pleadings last year. It was just setting the stage for this. The chickens have come home to roost. When the prosecutor didn't ask for an allocution, when they didn't have the questions that still remain, demand answers as to why did this happen? Why this house? Why these kids? Well, it just sets the stage for... Kohlberger's next move. I believe at this moment he's sitting in his cell laughing and planning out his next move after this. What do you think led to this? I mean, do you think he's been in prison for a year now? He just can't stand the conditions, or what do you think? I think, yes, he clearly can't stand the conditions, and that's pretty good. At least that's somewhat gratifying, I would think, to the families of the victims. But he's been playing this very carefully. cozyed up to his defense team. He let them put their hands around him in court, and then he pleads guilty. And yet, he's now is able to turn on them. He's able to say that they betrayed him. He has no compunctions about this. And I think he's waiting very carefully, as I said before. He has a real power. He's the only one, the only one who knows what happened that night. And he's going to play that power for what is worth. The time will come when he reveals more. It will be a slow process. He's going to let it all spill out carefully until he gets up to his big reveal. And what's his big reveal? Well, it's something you and I have discussed before. I believe that there was an accomplice. And I think the facts point in that direction. I mean, this would be such a huge bombshell. It would rattle the country if that were true. But I know this isn't just Howard Bloom speculation. You have very good reasons for believing he actually may have had somebody commit this crime with him. And Brian Colberger may even have been in the... assistant position when it came to these four murders as opposed to the lead. Yes, I believe that, you know, Colberger didn't have an accomplice. He, in fact, was the accomplice. But, you know, how do I come to that conclusion? I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a reporter by training worked at the New York Times for many years. I believe in facts. And these facts just don't. add up. This is what brought us to this president juncture. Let's look for starters, quite simply, at the timeline. Four people were killed, two different floors of the house within nine to ten minutes, and then you get the forensic reports. One person was stabbed 54 times, another one 32 times. Two people fought back, noses were broken. There was real carnage.

It was be impossible for one person to have done that within the nine to ten minute frame in a dark house on two floors, a house where he had never been in that before, according to the prosecutor. There was also a question about whether there had been attempts to clean up the crime scene. And if that... had happened. There's a serious question about how on earth he possibly could have done that in that limited time frame. Exactly. I mean, there's also a question of what the body stage. There's questions that the bodies were actually moved. Who did that? Could he have killed these poor four young victims and then move bodies, clean up afterwards? There's so many unanswered questions. In this case should not have gone to a plea deal without these questions being resolved. And as I said, now these chickens are coming home to roost, and Koberger is going to try to exploit it as best he can. Howard, you reported that the knife sheath, which has been, you know, the subject of so many reports and so much speculation, did have Colberger's touch DNA on the snap, as we've known, for quite some time. But you reported not long ago that there was another person's DNA. on the knife sheath and that there was another person's DNA throughout the house in a couple of spots, a male DNA, unknown DNA. We have never compared, but go on, explain with that. On the knife sheath, there is a spot of male DNA. That was never followed up by the authorities because, well, you don't ask questions when you don't want to know the answers. They had zeroed in on Coburger. They thought he was their man, so they did not want to... find out what this possibly could mean. It might complicate their case. Then there was other male DNA found in the house on a stairwell and also on a glove outside the house. And again, these have never been examined. And there's been never a very convincing, at least to me, explanation about why these weren't examined. And this sets the stage for doubts. We have a large vacuum. And the prosecution before, as I said at the beginning of this, could have cleared everything up at the beginning by demanding answers if Kohlberger wants his plea deal. Now Kohlberger will drag this all out, dropping pieces of information, I believe, over the years ahead, bit by bit, as he builds up to his great reveal when he gets completely bored. I mean, it's really like we're getting into this now because he's demanding to withdraw his guilty plea. He wants a trial. He says he understands that puts the death penalty back on the table. He doesn't care. And of course, we're going to bring in our lawyers in a minute. Many lawyers responded with a laugh to this petition saying this is a frustrated, unhappy.

life sentence guy who's just trying to get out of jail free pass for a few weeks or maybe even a day for a hearing. But we would like to actually look at whether the guy has a shot, you know, whether he does have evidence that could be considered if he's able to convince the court he does deserve another shot. And that's where you come in because you've been taking a fair look at what's out there. What he's claiming in his motion, Howard, is that Ethan Chapin. one of his victims had a clump of hair in his hand. Right. At the time he was killed and that this was not shared with him, Brian Colberger, by his counsel. Now, we have reason to dispute that, but that's one of the main reasons he's claiming he deserves a new trial. Right. And that the clump of hair was, they never tested the DNA of that hair, but they did. make a presumption based on scientific evidence that that bit of hair belonged to Ethan had come from his sheets of whatever. But again, this is one of the many questions that the government, the prosecution, never tried to answer because they did not want to know the answers. They had their case. And from the very beginning, They wanted it just to go away, just the way they tore down the murder house. They couldn't wait to get it leveled, turn that house into a concrete lot. They wanted to concrete this whole thing over. And now Brian Coburger, stuck in jail, Ward, unhappy with his surroundings, unhappy with the choices, is now going to torment them once again. Bit by bit, I believe he's going to start revealing things. There's an author named Christopher Wickcombe, a former FBI agent who came out with a book in April about the Colberger case. And he highlighted this issue of the hair in Ethan's hand when Ethan died. And he reported that Ethan had a closed fist that had relaxed slightly and that they found this hair in his hand about six inches in length, that it was dark blonde, light brown. with a reddish tint, that Brian Colberger's hair does not fit any of these characteristics, and that more of the same hair was found by a defense expert in blood on a bed frame two years after the murders. It was never even taken as evidence by authorities and tested at all, ever. What it appears to have happened is a defense expert named Brent Turvey, apparently... was going to testify to this or found this. He's spoken, we believe, to Christopher Whitcomb, who's written a book based in part on what Brent Turvey, the would-be defense expert, told him. And Brian Colberger has clearly read this book or heard Christopher Whitcomb on his press tour because now he comes forward saying, oh, my God, there was hair in Ethan Chapin's hand that didn't match me or Ethan or anyone at the crime scene. So how could I not have been told this? And yet, Howard, what we have is an affidavit that was submitted by the defense in this case prior to the plea. It was dated June 6, 2025, a stipulated motion to the admission of additional exhibits as evidence at trial. Comes now Brian Colberger, by him through his attorneys of record, and hereby submits to the court stipulation to the defense's admission of two additional exhibits described for the record as exhibit D-

1062 and FBI Lab Report 4. And what item number three is, is debris from right hand of Ethan J. Chapin. So he's going to have a tough time, Howard, convincing a court that he didn't know anything about that hair since he submitted it to the court in an exhibit dated June 6, 2025. And also the defense mitigates that hair. The defense introduced evidence by one of their experts saying that hair could be traced to Chapin. But there is a lot in that book. that needs to be addressed. There's a lot in the book that is important. It raises many questions. It raises, again, questions about the timeline. It raises, again, the lack of motive. The prosecution would like you to believe that he just picked this house at random. You don't go into a house in random when you see five cars parked in front. You've just seen a delivery of food at 4 a.m. so you know someone's awake. You don't go up the staircase that isn't where, it wouldn't be your natural entry into the house. You're going to a specific bedroom. He does all this and we don't know why. There's one person who does know why, and that's Brian Coburger. And in time, he's going to reveal this. But again, it's going to be a steady drop of information. He's going to torment us, play with us. He's going to play with the families of the victims. Howard, on the subject of the timeline, you know, according to the prosecution, he entered the second floor sliding glass door when he committed these murders at approximately 407 a.m. His car was seen speeding away from the neighborhood at 4.20 a.m., which left him 13 minutes. You reported that Moscow police performed two reenactments. of this, two test runs, if you will. And on each occasion, the officers demonstrated that one killer could indeed accomplish four fatal stabbings within the allotted time. But you write, this does not take into consideration the time that would have elapsed after the killer walked out of the sliding kitchen door, that the timeline is actually shorter than 13 minutes and does leave us with questions about whether one person could have committed. the crimes in that time. Also, the Moscow police who did this test, they had been in the house before. They knew the house. There's no proof that Coburg was ever there. They did the house in daylight, not in darkness. And they certainly, they just taught, the tests they did just involved stabbing the victims once or twice, not the 54 times in one case, the 32 times in another case, and then beating the person. so severely that her face was unrecognizable. And also the prosecutor has said that it's very likely another weapon was used. They didn't do any of this in their tests. Their tests were really not sufficient. They raised more questions than they answered.

Right, because you, in a piece, all you're reporting is at airmail, and it's excellent, and you drop this not a few months ago, but you went through how Zana was stabbed more than 50 times and had many defensive wounds. She fought back. Kaylee Gonsolvis was stabbed more than 20 times. Her family says 34 times. She also fought back. and that his response was ferocious and brutal. There was evidence of asphyxia injuries, meaning she had been strangled, perhaps gagged. There were blunt, forced trauma injuries. Her nose had been broken. Her face beaten beyond recognition. Madison Mogan and Ethan Chapin were both stabbed multiple times. And there's a question about whether that level of carnage could have been done by one person in nine minutes or whether... there was somebody else potentially involved. And Howard, did you ask somebody connected with the case about whether there was an accomplished? Did you get, you reported about one knowledgeable official who did not want to be identified in what this person told you? I've asked many people involved in the case, do you think there is an accomplice? And what they'll say on and off the record, the closest you'll get on the record is, we just don't want to revisit it. This is over and done with. And yet they will say off the record, there are a lot of doubts. We still have doubts, but we just wanted to go away. I mean, the people of Idaho, the taxpayers have paid $8.5 million, according to the estimates in the local newspapers for this case. And yet they really have not got the answers they deserve or that the families deserve. Mm-hmm. Right. I mean, you were reporting that the guy said, quote, if we said there was an accomplice, we'd look like fools for negotiating the plea bargain. The truth is we made a deal to avoid the time and expense of a trial, but there is a lot we don't know or that we will ever know. Okay. Thank you so much, Howard. We appreciate all of your great reporting. Thank you. We're going to bring in our legal panel in one second, but I just want to tell you. Let me give you a little highlight of what he writes. First of all, he gave this statement to the New York Times, and it reads as follows. Over a year later, this is Brian Colberger writing, it is self-evident that in State v. Colberger, justice was not served. Unanswered questions seem to multiply with each piece of discovery unsealed. and the public demands the truth. Unfortunately, the truth shall never be derived from the state's myopic narrative, a work of fiction, which has yet to evolve since the PCA, that's the probable cause affidavit, was released nearly four years ago, and its faulty premises were never challenged at trial. I mean, that's, why was that again? Why was the state's premise not challenged at trial? Oh, yeah, because you pleaded guilty. You decided to waive your right to a trial. You had that right, and you decided not to do it. You didn't want to take the risk. This is ridiculous. He makes it sound like someone forced the settlement upon him, which is, in fact, what he seems to be suggesting happened. Circumnavigated, as I read this earlier, by a broken plea suggesting...

that it was broken, I guess, by the prosecution. The trial never provided the public the clarity conducive to closure and justice shall remain abjectly miscarried unless that plea is withdrawn. I hereby declare my intention to enter a not guilty plea and welcome the state the opportunity to prove their case at trial, as well as to again file for the death penalty. My actual innocence. is my truth and the plea. hinged on by false promises and blatant disinformation must be withdrawn. Now, there he seems to be referring to the defense lawyer, having allegedly provided false promises and blatant disinformation. I'll tell you what he's saying in one second. Thank you for all who believe in my innocence and continue to critically analyze the case. I send my love to my family who have never wavered in their belief in who I am. comma, their belief in my innocence. They haven't? Really? Um, that's news. Then he reiterated in a phone call from prison in Idaho that he had, and quote, absolute claim of innocence to the New York Times. Okay, again, we'll get into the specifics of why he's claiming he was made false promises and provided with blatant disinformation apparently by his defense lawyer, Ann Taylor. I want to bring in two of our Kelly's court favorites, Mark Garagos, who is co-host of In The Well, along with Matt Murphy, and Ashley Merchant is here as well. She's co-host of the M.K. True Crime Show. Both are on our MK True Crime channel, which you can find on YouTube and all podcast platforms. Just type in MK True Crime. And it'll bring you all of their shows if you subscribe to that one feed. Guys, thank you so much for being here. So this is actually pretty interesting to see in his own hand, his attempted descriptions of how he claims he was lied to by Ann Taylor, his defense attorney. He's got all sorts of... insinuations, I guess is the best way to put it. For example, he says, plea not knowingly, I'm looking at his handwriting, or voluntarily entered because it was induced by unkept promises. Plea not voluntary entered because of threats asserted by petitioner's legal counsel. And then he goes on to say the following. Failure to disclose of or review exculpatory evidence, i.e. unknown hair in Chapin's hand during plea discussions. B, that was A. B. Counsel's insistence that petitioner's plea need not be truthful despite petitioner's vehement denial of actual guilt. C. promises made by counsel regarding.

LWAP, life without parole, status. So in other words, promises made by counsel regarding my life without parole status. And then in parentheses, he writes, i.e., immediate contact visits, freedom of movement, employment, end parence, semicolon, and elaborate lies of death row life. That's about as much detail as he provides. Ashley Merchant, you're shaking your head, no, why. He's lost his damn mind. Like, what is he thinking? I mean, they didn't. promise him contact visits. No lawyer is going to promise an inmate contact visits when they're serving life without parole for multiple homicides. That's just nuts. That is him Monday morning quarterbacking his decision that he made when he was faced with the death penalty and he had a really good deal and his lawyers did a really good job getting rid of the death penalty and he's just having sour grapes at this point. And I hope that they give him a hearing so that his lawyers can take the stand because this, this waives privilege. So once he claims this, the lawyers now can get a there and they can talk about that conversation and they can say exactly what happened and what he was talking about. But I think this is just sour grapes. He is bored. He wants something that he never could get, which is a much better prison sentence, a much better gig. And he just wants to stay relevant. Okay, here's the problem. I mean, there's multiple problems here, Mark, but this is one of them. This is what he said to the judge last summer. Are you pleading guilty because you are guilty? Yes. That's tough to get over. So there is a doctrine. Ashley knows it well. I think it's, I always forget if it's Alfred versus North Carolina, North Carolina versus Alfred, where you can enter a plea and there are state variations of that. California, we call it people versus West. You say it's in my best interest. In this case, I entered this. I'm still maintained my innocence, but I'm going to enter the plea because I don't want to be put to death. He is not articulating that. And what you just showed is a problem for that. He could have insisted as part of his plea deal that I wanted this, I want an so-called Alfred plea, which he did not do. That's number one. Number two, be careful what you wish for because I watched an interview with one of the victim's fathers last night. And he basically. welcomed a trial, and you might remember. Steve Gonzalez. And he also mentioned the fact that they were not really consulted when this plea agreement came, and they thought that the prosecution did a horrific job. In fact, a lot of the things he was saying last night, to some degree, bolster this request to set it aside. I mean, this case in taken...

And this filing, if you will, which looks like a really bad chat GPT filing, taken on its own, it would have zero traction. But if you have the victims coming in and under a Marcy's law... or they make the claim that they were never consulted and that they didn't have a voice here. I could see where they would, some judge would give them the opportunity to be heard. And I don't think it's a high likelihood, but somebody might say, okay, I've got both sides agreeing that they want a trial. Let's give them a trial. You know, ironically. Steve Gonzalez has been objecting to that plea from the beginning. There's been some question about. whether at least one of the other four victims' family has objected. And there was some, at least like the two that reportedly said they were okay with it. There's been some questions since the plea deal about whether they are still okay with it as facts have emerged. Here's Steve last night, as you just referenced, Steve Gonzalez. In a way, do you feel if this goes to an actual trial and he has an opportunity to fight the evidence, is that something that you'd say, you know what, I think it's necessary? I would love it. We're getting to the point where capital cases 9% of the time are settled out of court. We do need case law. We do need state law. And Idaho could, I think it could benefit greatly from this. Unfortunately, we spent $8 million, and I feel for my community. This guy wasn't even a member of our society. He wasn't even a member of our state. And we've really just been totally put through the ringer, have to defend this loser. So, I want to protect my community and I feel like, you know, I can't keep asking for more. We got our chance. We had a weak prosecutor, but I don't want to put our community through another few million dollars. It's unfortunate, but somebody's going to have to put their foot down and make this case law. But the poor family members. But Mark, my question to you is, He seems, as far as Colberger's actual motion, he seems to be citing, again, the hair. He said this was unknown, unknown hair in a, he said, failure to disclose or to review exculpatory evidence, i.e. unknown hair in Chapin's hand during plea discussions. Let's just start there. As I read with Howard, the defense filed an exhibit right before the settlement, the plea deal. disclosing that. So he must be saying his lawyer didn't tell him about it. Is that a ground for undoing a plea? No, but if he's going to then amplify that, it is not. But the way you read it, it was described as debris. If he then kind of fleshes that out and starts to talk about, look, they didn't tell me there was a hair. They didn't tell me it was a unknown origin. They didn't tell me. And nobody tested that here to see whether or not.

it was for you know on a something that is basically mitochondrial DNA which is what the hair is if they had tested that and they had excluded him to the point that that suggested somebody else he's got some he's got some things to talk about but as Right now as drafted, and right now at this kind of rambling nature, no judge is going to grant anything. He needs, and I suspect, and I was also speculated last night, I think by Steve. that he has money on the books and that maybe he's attempting to get some lawyer to parachute in to potentially kind of flesh this out. But it is a- He is asking for, he's asking for a court-appointed lawyer. He's saying that, they ask, are you requesting the appointment of counsel? He says yes. Are you seeking to proceed in former- In other words, are you too poor to afford a lawyer? Yes. And since he seems to be suggesting Ann Taylor was ineffective, right? He doesn't use the words ineffective assistance of counsel. That's clearly where he's going. What will happen now, Ashley? Will the judge, before he denies this out of hand, say, okay, here's a new lawyer to... properly raise these claims for you before I deny them? Most likely, the judge will give him a new lawyer. He's not constitutionally entitled to a new lawyer. This is a collateral plea. This is a collateral post-conviction matter. You're only entitled to counsel on the actual direct appeal. And he waived that. So he didn't have an appeal. He's not entitled to a lawyer. But oftentimes judges in cases like this that are complex, they will appoint a lawyer, quite frankly, to make their job easier because it is difficult to communicate with someone who's in custody. You know, you see these process. filings, it's just much easier to deal with a lawyer. So we could probably see that. I also think what we'll see is we'll see a petition to have this hair tested. Because right now, you know, he's saying, oh, well, it's exculpatory evidence. No, it's not. It's potentially exculpatory evidence. If it even is, if it even is, if it was someone else's evidence, and so he's got to get this evidence tested to see if it actually is exculpatory. And, you know, I don't even see how, if it was someone else's DNA, how that would even be exculpatory. But the first thing I would do, if God forbid I was appointed to represent him at this point, is get that hair tested. Well, it does say it was tested. It says in the defense motion, like that his lawyer filed on June 6, 2025, as they stipulate to the admission of this exhibit, which includes debris from right hand of Ethan Chapin, they write items submitted from Ethan Chapin, and they list a few items from Kaylee, from all the victims. And then they write that...

that these exhibits were examined for hairs microscopically consistent with hairs in the head hair sample from Brian Colberger. However, none were found. So they're saying in this... motion, his lawyer, that that hair was examined, that it did not match Brian Colberger's hair. So, like, this was already done. The best he could be alleging here, Ashley, is that Ann Taylor, his lawyer, didn't tell him that one of the victims had a clump of hair in his hand, and it didn't match you, which is potentially exculpatory, right? Who did it match? Right. The description of those hairs is I read from that guy Christopher Wickholm, who was speaking with a defense lawyer, or sorry, a defense witness who was going to take the stand, describes short, like reddish, blonde hairs, six inches in length, which don't match anyone involved in this case. So I can see how they would be potentially culpatory. But Ann Taylor told him to take the plea. That seems to be his beef. Like, she didn't tell me. And I would have liked to have had the chance to argue this. Right. And that's what he's saying and that's what he's hoping to hang his hat on. But at best, let's say that this hair is someone else's. Let's say it's not one of the victims, which is what I would test for immediately. I would test it against the victims because most likely it's from one of them. Maybe, you know, maybe they, Brian Koberger had it on his body from another victim. And so this, this victim got it on his body. There are a lot of different ways that it could happen. It's not necessarily exculpatory if it's someone else's hair. All it means is he had an accomplice, which doesn't mean that he didn't do it. It just means that maybe there's more to the story. So I would be argued. It certainly gets our attention, though. Oh, 100%. If that's where we're going. And we want to know that. The rest of the world is interested. Well, and that's why we should have had him allocute? Because we all think that there's a chance that there was someone else. So why in the world the prosecution allowed him to take a plea to the death penalty off the table without having him allocute? That's insane. Okay, wait. We. We know the reason. Now, this is like we all bitched about this at the time a year ago when they took this plea without an allocution because we all wanted to hear him say he did it. We wanted to hear where the murder weapon was. We wanted to hear what if any connection he had with these four victims, all of which still remain mysteries. But Bill Thompson, the prosecutor in this case, actually sat down with Ingenet Levy of Law and Crime shortly after the plea and actually did say why they did it the way they did it. Here it is in SOT 25. And he could have led you to the murder weapon. I hear what you're saying, Ingenet, and he could have. We don't know if he would have or not. I don't think it would have changed the ultimate outcome. Early on when the FBI first came on board with this case, they sent agents from their behavioral analysis unit, their profilers, to work with this. And they told us that based on what they were seeing about the nature of the crime scene, the crimes themselves. that even if we were to get the person who committed these crimes to try to explain why it happened, that it wouldn't make sense to normal people like us, and that they really can't be trusted to tell the truth because people like this live in their own different world, which is completely foreign to what we as normal people understand and can process. So that was a factor as well in our thoughts.

It's a cop out. So what do you guys make of that? Cop out? I think that's a cop out. I think that they couldn't get him to allocute and they were worried he was going to talk crazy, which he probably was, but then they would at least have him under oath saying what happened. So when he files a motion like this, that's a lot more powerful evidence than him just saying yes to the judge's questions. No, it's so... So what if you're representing Coleberger and... The prosecution says, we'll give you a deal. We'll take the death penalty off the table. He pleads and he goes life without parole. And you go to him and say, okay, they're going to offer you this. But they're demanding that you allocate you. They're demanding that you explain the crime and so on. And he says, I'm not doing that. Is that unusual to have the defendant say, like, I'll plead guilty, but I'm not giving any details. Yeah, I mean, what's so perplexing to me is every single case, maybe save two in 40-some-odd years, in federal court, you have to do. a plea agreement that has a factual basis. And you have to, you negotiate the factual basis. You go back and forth between the prosecutor, between the client. You have an extended back and forth. I remember one case in the Southern District of New York. We went three straight. times because we couldn't get the client to agree to the factual basis. Now, that's federal court. But in state court, you've got very similar abilities, especially in a capital case use of. I assume that somebody had a negotiation. And if they had a negotiation, you say, that's fine. Here's our facts. Tell us, you know, allocution for those who don't know basically means you have to say on the record what happened. And you could negotiate that beforehand. You could say, you can read. You can write it out. You can have them read it into the record. This happens all the time. That's what's so frustrating sometimes about these so-called high-profile cases is that they really don't bear any resemblance to what actually happens in a courtroom every day for decades. So what does that mean now? Do you think Bill Thompson, Ashley, is regretting not having him allocute? Because now he's asserting. actual innocence. And while he does have that moment I played of the judge saying, are you pleading guilty because you are guilty? And he says, yes, it certainly would be a lot better if he's, if we had Colberger on camera explaining exactly what he did and why. I definitely think he's regretting that. But I don't think he, I don't think he actually had the opportunity to do that. My guess is that Coburger said, I'm not playing if I have to allocute. And that was never even a chance. They could not negotiate that because he probably said, nope, not happening. And then after the fact, the prosecutor's

coming up with this great reason. Oh, this explains why I didn't have him allocute, but most likely it was a deal breaker for him. Is there any, okay, let's just like entertain for a second the notion that Colberger did not commit these crimes. I know we all see the evidence. It's plain as the nose on our faces. But let's just go to the place of maybe he didn't do it. Is there any way for him to get a new trial at this point, Mark? Like, if he's sitting in jail, Innocent. And actually, Anne Taylor, while, you know, she gave it her best, was overwhelmed by the amount of exhibits being piled on her and did drop the ball. She didn't tell her client that there was exonerating potentially evidence that had just come in, the hairs, et cetera, evidence of a possible cleanup job that he couldn't possibly have done. I don't know, whatever it was. And also, on top of that, made blatant misrepresentations to him about what his life was going to be like because she really wanted him to take this plea. and he was very much on the fence, but she talked him into it with her misrepresentations about what life without parole would look like and how horrific the death penalty cell would have been. And it was so much worse and whatever she said or whatever he's claiming. Could any of that be grounds to undo the guilty plea? So maybe Ashley can correct me, but I think that the idea that my lawyer... described my prison life in rosier terms than actually has zero chance of getting any kind of traction. I think, I just, I can't even imagine that. In fact, I've often, I've often counseled the clients that I don't understand why you're fighting so hard for life without your better point on death row. But the, the, To answer your question, if there's ever going to be any traction and actual innocence, unfortunately, the state of the law in a lot of jurisprudences isn't good enough. I mean, there are SCOTUS Supreme Court of the United States cases. Actual innocence doesn't get you there standing alone. However, When you have this unique situation where you have the victims saying, we didn't agree with this, we weren't part of this, I was going to mention before, it's reminiscent of how the Epstein scandal started because there were a couple of guys, ironically. victims rights lawyers who invoked the victim's rights that they were not consulted, that started to unwind the whole process. That's where we got to the obscene situation that we're in now. So is this something that could happen or is there a template for it? Sure, but I think this more resembles the Unabomber and Ted Kaczynski, where I knew just like here, and I think Ashley and I talked about a while ago, that Ted Kaczynski, I knew was going to blame the lawyers for saving his life. And I knew he was going to spend the rest of his days complaining about the plea deal. And I knew that. This had the same kind of resonated with me the same way. And so I think it's more akin to that. And I don't think he gets anywhere. There's also the, you know, he's going to claim ineffective assistance of counsel. I mean, he is not, you know, sub.

whatever the official word is, retardation IQ. This guy was getting a PhD in criminology. He knew what he was doing, which will be held against him, I think, in this proceeding. But he has, first of all, we only know of a couple statements he's made, Ashley. First of all, when he got arrested, the police said the first thing he asked was, was anyone else arrested? Which is very interesting for us in the court of public opinion on. Could there have been an accomplice? Secondly, when he was first arraigned, remember he didn't even enter his own not guilty plea. The judge did it for him. So he wouldn't speak. But now he's super chatty to the New York Times. And in his little petition, now that he's sitting on death row, complaining about the fact that he doesn't have contact visits and he doesn't have the freedom of movement and employment he thought he'd have. the elaborate lies of death row that she told him, who knows. And here is what his first lawyer, before he got Ann Taylor, he got a public defender named Jason Labar, and he did go and meet with Colberger back in December of 2022 right after he was arrested. He went on the Today Show the lawyer did after and said this in South 15. Has he reacted to the charges at all? One can imagine being accused of something like this and saying, wait, where did this come from? Why are they coming after me? Have you seen any kind of that behavior from him? It is a little out of character. He said, I mean, this is not him. He believes he's going to be exonerated. That's what he believes. Those were his words. So he's really been very easy to talk to, actually. And he's in a calm demeanor, like I stated. Okay, putting aside the sin of that shirt with that tie. The lawyer. is making a point there, Ashley, of actual innocence consistent with what Goldberger just said. Right. And I mean, that's what he's going for saying he's got actual innocence, but can he actually prove that? Because at this point, he's got the burden. And, you know, there's really two ways that he could win this. And one of them is proving manifest injustice, which is essentially actual innocence because we think it's unjust, you know, to have someone who's innocent serving a life sentence. But the other one is that his lawyers somehow were ineffective because he says they lied to him about the conditions. I think that is a bunch of crap, quite frankly. Nobody thinks they're going to go to prison and have contact visits and employment and freedom of movement. That is exactly what you give up when you go to prison. Freedom of movement. Freedom of movement. Literally, that's what you're giving up. Freedom of movement. Literally. In contact with the outside world. Like, in employment. Also. Well, also, I don't know if you have that sign where Steve was interviewed last night. One of the things that made me smile is he said, ineffective assistance, Ann Taylor. He says, I wish we had Ann Taylor as the prosecutor in this case. Yeah. I mean, she's- I know. Good luck making it. Yeah, she is. Look, my biggest takeaway on all this, I think you're right, it's not going to be granted, but I will say my biggest takeaway is I'm thrilled.

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Megan Markle shares photos from the family's visit to Princess Diana's childhood home. And she finally gets her big moment in the spotlight for a brief moment on Master Chef Australia. And there's more on how Megan and Harry are getting welcomed back into the good graces of Harry's father, Charles III. But before we get to all of that, we are looking at some serious incidents of Islamic terror in and around Europe. And our next guest is raising the alarm about it. He is Dan Wooten. He is the host of the show. Dan Witten outspoken. Dan, welcome back. How are you? Great to be here, Megan. I'm okay. Things aren't great here, though. Great to see you. No, they're not great because we've seen now terror attack in Berlin that happened earlier this week right outside of the Pride Festival. Then we saw this attack in Paris yesterday with this guy running around, stabbing people with a knife, random women, three, one of whom was pregnant. And in case after case, we see officials, Dan, who refuse to say anything about Islamic terror. Megan, they will not even use the word. Our foreign secretary would not use the word. London's Islamist mayor, Sadiq Khan, who spends all day every day posting on X about Donald Trump and posting about far right terror, which can I just say, if you look at the statistics, Megan, is pretty much invisible. in Europe, yet they would not mention the word. They would not say Islam. And what we've seen over the past 48 hours is an extraordinary example of what Gadzad refers to a suicidal empathy. Because these LGBTQAA plus lesbian spirit animals, you know the type, the alphabet soup mob, who I actually can't stand, despite being a gay man myself, have decided to blame everyone. other than the Islamist. Megan, so they've made videos blaming Donald Trump. Dove made videos blaming white men. We even saw a Labour MP, that's the ruling party here in the UK, blame Nigel Farage and G.B News. My former employer, for an Islamist, literally ramming into the trans people who they hate. pulling out a machete and starting to stab them wildly. This man was known to security services in Germany. He was a well-known Islamist. He was free on the streets. And guess what, Megan, the German police were not even able to post his picture on X because of ludicrous data security laws in Europe. So we are killing ourselves. And people are not prepared to talk about it. And the shocking thing is, is this Islamo-left coalition. as I put them, you've got the hardcore Islamists and the green nutters, would rather see us die, would rather see gay people die than actually admit that there is a massive problem in terms of an Islamist invasion of Europe. And it's terrifying. I have an Amman.

on my show this week, Megan, predicting that the UK will become a fully Muslim country and the center of the Muslim world within two decades. And he also admits to me, Megan, that he has had private conversation with Charles III. Well, I'm sorry, I'm a monarchist. I'm a royalist, but Charles III is the head of the Church of England. Why does he keep defending a multi-faith nation? No. We're a Christian country. And again, I think it's relevant that I'm a gay man, but let me tell you, I've spoken to some ex-Muslims who were radicalized in the mosques of East London, Megan. They want to push gay men off the top of buildings. So I'm done. I'm sick of it. I'm calling it out. So too is Tommy Robinson. So too is Rupert Lowe, who's the leader of a new party here called Restore Britain to the right of Nigel Farage and Reform UK. And guess what, Megan, in the recent polls, they're surging to 7% of the vote. I believe a political revolution. is coming. If not, as Elon Musk warned last week, civil war is probably inevitable in the UK because we're heading towards a race and a religious war. We saw hints of that in Ireland earlier this summer, of course, when we saw the horrific attacks there on that poor man who almost got beheaded. And there's been, it's been brewing in the UK now in the wake of the rape scandal with, you know, the young girls who were raped by these immigrants and foreign-born UKers. So this like keeps happening, Dan, this particular attack, the latest two, we're not in the United Kingdom. They were in Paris and they were in Berlin. And we see the same pattern time after time where they refuse to say. It's like they don't understand that if you condemn radical Islam, if you condemn this sort of Islamic violence, you're not condemning every Muslim on earth. You're not condemning peaceful Muslims who may or may not be your neighbors. But they too need to speak out against this. So to distance themselves from this ideology. And what we're seeing in places like Paris is, They've moved in, they've taken over, and rather than assimilating, they want the locals to assimilate to them. And when they don't, they wind up getting stabbed by some lunatic on the street. We've got the video of this man running around Paris with a knife attempting to stab women. Let's look at it, video one right here. You see this man dressed in all white or tan. He's got a butcher knife in his right hand. He has another knife in his left hand. And he's just casually running across the street. He appears to be running after a young woman looking for her. And then there is an interaction with a young woman where you can't tell whether he actually gets her or not. But it's deeply disturbing. And here you can hear a witness in Sot 1 account it. I step out of my house. I hear a commotion screaming everywhere. I turn around and see someone with two large knives by the cliche gate that already stabbed a woman, a young woman who was 19 years old. Then he walks along the tramway toward Avenue de Cliche. He goes up Avenue de Cliche a bit, still with his large knives. He crosses out the crosswalk, and behind the kiosk, he attacks another victim. He was only targeting women and stabbed her in the back. That's when me and two friends of mine stepped in.

Basically, a friend of mine threw his suitcase, Adam to subdue him, really. So he dropped the knives. That's when my buddy came up from behind, swept his legs, he fell to the ground. And I moved in to hold down his legs and feet, and we put a chair on top of him so he couldn't move while waiting for the police. Okay, and here you've got that man who had the knives, Dan, saying, it is Allah who commanded me. And then per UK Times, a police source said the alleged attacker also told officers, Allah sent me to kill women. Then there is Fox News quotes. Let's see, another translation of the exchange quotes, one man is responding to him. There is no, there is no Allah, bro. So clearly they were discussing Allah, and yet notwithstanding all this, the police say they could not verify the identity of the attacker whose declarations were incoherent, and therefore they want us to be very careful before we actually declare any sort of a motive here. They have to be super cautious because he's a nutcase. Just as mental health. Aren't all of them? All the people who run around stabbing random people on the streets have a bit of the nutcase in them. That doesn't mean we can't determine motive, Dan. Honestly, Megan, I'm sick of this. We had an example last week in the UK of CCTV from a mosque showing a man called Muhammad Andy Beshear. discussing with Jihad al-Shama. Yeah, his name's Jihad. Maybe that was a good reason not to let him into the country, okay? But we did. And guess what, Megan? He went and committed a terror attack outside a synagogue in Manchester. Two people died. But what we learned is that within this mosque, this other Islamist, this other jihadist, who is alive and now in jail, called Muhammad Andy Beshear. were discussing and plotting the terror attack of a massive military center just out of Swindon, a town in the United Kingdom, within the prayer room of the mosque, Megan. And they were talking about finding the green birds. Now, all Islamic scholars will tell you that reference to the green birds is in relation to this concept of martyrdom. So I'm going to be honest with you, Megan. And this is coming from the perspective of someone who is in the UK, who has seen this takeover happen. I still broadcast from London for now, Megan. We are becoming a minority fast in the capital city of the disunited kingdom, as I now call it. And let me tell you, Megan, I'm a little bit sick of these amans coming out and saying our mosques are peaceful places when we now literally have CCTV showing a terror attack being planned within the prayer room. of a mosque. Unfortunately, Megan, a lot of Takia is being practiced by Islamists in Europe. This is the concept that you can lie. You can lie if it is for the good of advancing Islamism. So I'm not really in the camp anymore of like, oh, some of these mosques are fine because we don't know. And they're popping up everywhere. And in the UK, they're replacing churches.

And let me tell you, there's no plotting of terror attacks going on in the back room of Church of England facilities. So for me, this is no longer with the religion of peace. I know on your show outspoken yesterday, you were railing about this. And you put together a great soundbite of some of the insane reaction to what we're seeing. And one of them, one of the, we're going to play this, the butted soundbite that you put together. But one of them is taking aim at Christians for this. Like, wait, how are the Christians to blame? The guy's literally saying Allah sent me. In both instances, you've got these obvious ties in one in Germany. This guy wanted to be ISIS. And now in Paris, this guy saying Allah sent me. But it's the Christian's fault. Here it is. A panaple. A nudiness here. He had linked with the Islamic State militant group and was known to domestic intelligence. But the motivation for this attack remains unclear. We do not want this deed to be instrumentalized for political ends. We don't want any groups be placed under suspicion for this. Trump is showing us how easy it is. to stampede on our rights. And this is something that we have to avoid. We have avoided it. What I can say is the people who were celebrating about this were all white men, young white men, with crosses in their profiles. My immediate thought when I saw the news was that it was a right-wing white supremacist extremist. To quit people, there's no real difference, whether you're Muslim or you're Christian. There's no difference between Muslims and Christians when it comes to gays, Dan. I mean, yes, it's true. You can't get married in the Catholic Church. It's really not the same thing as running through Paris, stabbing everyone to death in the name of Allah. No, I'm Christian. And I'm actually Catholic, Megan. So, yeah, I can't get married in the Catholic Church. Guess what? I'm okay about that. What I'm not okay about, Megan, is these Islamists. who now surround me every time I leave the house, being taught within a mosque, that it is okay to push me off the top of the building. I'm okay with that. But I look at those people and I just think, oh my God, they're straight from central casting, aren't they? You know, the mustache, the pink hair. They probably have the set to the pierce. That guy, that Freddie Mercury wannabe at the end. Yeah, and it's like, I'm sorry, are you okay with your sisters? being raped by Pakistani Muslim men and then that being covered up. Are you okay with your mom being at risk of being killed at the local supermarket? I cannot understand it. I cannot understand it. And for me, this has just become such a fundamental issue. Because as I say, the Islamists are not trying to hide the desire to take over the United Kingdom. Do you really think Americans... would be okay if for the fourth year running the number one baby name in every state of America was Muhammad. Well, that is the situation we are in.

in the United Kingdom. And it's like this willful blindness to not understand what's happening. And because of demographic change and just the reality of the Muslim people in this country, Megan, they are breeding like rabbits. And white Christian people are not. So this takeover is not a fantasy. It's not a conspiracy. It is a demographic reality. Mm-hmm. And you're not allowed to fight for your own culture. It's like if you say, look, I actually think it's good to have Great Britain be a Christian country or America be a Christian country. You're a bigot. If you say, I don't really want to be taken over by Muslims who view the world very differently than we do. You're a bigot. It's like, you know what? Who cares? You have to get to the point where you clearly are, and I am too, which is I don't care if you're offended. I have nothing against regular Muslim people. I have Muslim friends. They're darling. Absolutely darling. They're not political. They're not that observant. I'm going to be honest. And there is a very clear distinction between your run-of-the-mill Muslim citizen. And capital I Islam because it does come in with an agenda and it includes some of the things that you said and the more radical and the more political and active that they are, the more danger certain people are, whether it's Christians or gays, what have you. Yeah, but this is, and this is not a, I mean, I completely agree with you, but this is not a fantasy anymore that we are at threat for talking about this. I mean, I saw your episode with my friend Alex Phillips talking about the assassination of, Anne Whittickham. But I was also good friends with Anne Whittickham. You remember when I launched my GB News show, Megan, and I was very, very determined to bring a small pool of people who were going to be on the show every week. You were one of them, and you very kindly agreed to do that from the launch of the show. But the other, Megan, was Anne Whitakim. And so we became very close over the course of my three years on GB News. She appeared on the show once or twice a week. you know, a bit of a grandmother figure really, to me. She was one of the only people alongside you who actually stood up for me when I was sacked by G.B. News. And she is stabbed. I mean, I still find it difficult to talk about when I think of the reality of what she faced in those final two minutes, but she was stabbed 21 times. Sorry, struck 21 times on the head with a hammer. And Megan, do you know what? If I was to tell you... What I knew, and I'm being very serious about this, this is a fact. If I were to tell you what I knew about the leftist who is alleged, I mean, we have crazy laws, Megan, is alleged to have committed this crime, I could be sent to jail in the UK for contempt of court. We are unable to talk about this. Even though you're not a party to the proceedings? Correct. Correct. They can gag regular citizens from speaking about the case and the way they want. Correct. Correct. That is shocking. And Nigel Farage is horrific. Can you please email me the details? Because I'm not gagged. I can say whatever the hell I want. I'll say it on my program. Good. And there we need this actually because there is a lot. And Nigel Farage, the leader of Reform UK will tell you this too. There is a lot that we know.

about this man that we are unable to report in the UK. And you know what happens, Megan. This is all about information control. This is all about stopping the plebs or as... Elon Musk described to us the ordinary people of Britain who are now derided as far right. It's about stopping us getting angry, about stopping us taking to the streets. And you know I am absolutely not a proponent for anything violent. But there are AIDS close to Nigel Farage who have said this week that they believe the UK is one. violent incident away from the country erupting. So that is why they actually don't want us to know who is alleged to have killed. That's why you're like some of the absurdities that you were playing from those people. It's the fault of these Christians. It's white men who are celebrating this, really. And then the blaming the most absurd. On Trump, here's a bit of that from where this is an LGBTQ activist. I don't, I was it Trump's fault, but here we go. Watch. If you know that there is a demonstration out there, if there is a pride celebration out there, yes, put on a colorful costume, but also maybe write a placard and hold it up and demand your politicians in your constituency to respect everyone's life. This is where we have to go to. Because if I look at what's going on around us in Germany, in Berlin, in any other place in Europe, and especially also if we look across the ocean to the US, Trump is showing us how easy it is to stampede on our rights. And this is something that we have to avoid. We have to avoid it and we can if we stand together. Okay, Dan. I'm not sure how we get there. I mean, it is complete diversion. The fact is, though, Megan, even when they are presented with the exact details, I mean, this guy, this Islamist, who drove into the Pride parade, had literally been associated with ISIS groups for years. And the authorities didn't lock him up. They didn't stop them. And then you have sly news. And every turn they gave him a pass. Yeah. Every time. Every time. And you have sly news, which is just so people in America know, sly news is our version of MS now. It's owned by Comcast. So it's attempting to pretend to be a mainstream organization. But we know like with MS now, they are political activists. And so you literally get into the situation where a reporter is saying,

Oh, well, you know, he had ties to ISIS. He had been arrested to this. He was a well-known Islamist. But we don't know the motive. I mean, it's astonishing. It's ridiculous. I mean, Allah sent me. Seems pretty on the nose. I'm not officially a detective. But I can get there. So what happens now? Because I know that there is a push by some. To say all those immigrants who came when Angela Merkel opened the doors of Germany to anyone and everyone who then migrated everywhere throughout Europe. And it wasn't just Germany in her defense, but they were the worst. We're going to strip them of their, if they have dual citizenship as a result of coming here and trying to like, you know, get into the UK and get a UK passport. We're going to take it away. Like actually go back to Syria. Actually, get out. Like we don't want you in this country anymore. You didn't assimilate. You didn't join us. You tried to take us over. And it's a no. So how is that likely to go? Because the UK's. more woke than America, and that wouldn't fly over here. And I just wonder how it's going to fly over there. Well, this is behind the surge in this party, Megan, called Restore Britain, which has Elon Musk's support. So he withdrew report from Nigel Farage. He described Nigel Farage as being weak source. Which is reform. That's reform. So it's reform and restore. It's a little bit complicated. But Rupert Lowe is pushing this concept of remigration. And this is being done in certain European countries to a smaller extent, like Denmark, for example, you can see your citizenship stripped if you are, for example, going against the traditions of the nation. And in the case of the United Kingdom, you think of Axel Rudy Cabana. The Islamist terrorists, although the mainstream media who won't call him Islamist, who you might remember, Megan, in a small town called Southport, stabbed three beautiful young girls to death at a Taylor Swift dance class. Now, he is currently, Megan, in a psychiatric hospital. Very nice psychiatric hospital where he gets access to, you know, a gym and lovely facilities because he played the system and he got transferred from the high security prison. Now, There is a huge view amongst Restore Britain supporters that Axel Rudy Cabana should either be subjected to the death penalty. We don't have it in this country at the moment, but Restore has pledged a referendum on it, or be sent back to Rwanda. He was born here, Megan, but his parents are Rwandan. His parents are still in the country and being given full protection with a new identity. A lot of us believe... They should be sent back to Rwanda too. For example, the terrorist I spoke about earlier, Muhammad Andy Beshear, who is now in jail after being caught in a mosque, he has a Pakistani passport. Or why is he here? Why in 17 years is he going to be free on the streets of the United Kingdom? Likewise, the head of the Pakistani...

Muslim rape gangs in Rotherham, which you referred to, I mean, this is a shocking cover up, probably the worst cover up in British history, over 250,000 white girls raped by gangs of Pakistani men over decades, but the authorities never did anything about it for fear of being racist. He's free, Megan. He is now on the streets, and guess what, Pakistan doesn't want to take him back, but there are things that could be done. This country sends... Huge amount of aid, money to Pakistan every single year. Well, we're immediately cutting that off unless you take your violent criminals and terrorists back. So whether it will actually happen is dependent on whether there is allowed to be this big political revolution that a lot of people see coming. And that's why Elon Musk has this week said, you're not a patriot if you fight against remigration. So I guess it's this idea, Megan, of making remigration mainstream. In the past, this is a concept which has very much been derided as being racist or being white supremacist. in some way, but I think there is an attempt to rewrite the concept of re-migration, because otherwise, we are screwed. Otherwise, we are going to be a minority white Islamist country within two decades. I would call it the Dorothy principle, Dorothy from Wizard of Oz. There's no place like home. That's how we feel in our country. We're about our home, how you feel about your home and how they should feel about their home. Sorry that you were born in Syria shouldn't have to be my problem or my kids' problems or my LGBT friends on the pride spectrum problem. I'm sorry, but there aren't shared values. You didn't assimilate. We gave you a shot. You blew it. Or too many of your countrymen. Blew it. Either way, I don't really care. Don't want it to be my problem or my friends or my family's problem. All right. Let's keep going because I know I only have you for a short time. Switch the page to something lighter. And that's Harry and Megan. You say there's breaking news today out of the UK because a... top aid or the top aid to Charles III is leaving. And there's a very interesting reason why. This is your reporting. Tell us. This is a huge story, Megan. And it is being completely covered up by the mainstream media in the United Kingdom. But I'm not part of the mainstream media. I'm not part of the royal rotor. So I can tell you what is really going on. This is a man called Sir Clive Alderton, maybe not a household name, but someone who Prince Harry derided in his autobiography Spearers as the Wasp. He described him as the Wasp. That was sort of the character he gave to him. Now, he has been Charles III's closest aide for two decades. He has quit.

He is out. He will be leaving the royal household next year. They're trying to paint this in the mainstream media, Megan, is, oh, he's 59, he's turning 60 next year. It's time to move on. Absolute rubbish. You're young at 60 these days. Clive Alderton. It's ridiculous. It's ludicrous. Clive Alderton, do you want to know the real reason he's out? Because he was trying to stop Prince Harry and Meghan Markle from returning to the British royal family. And when the king, who unfortunately, and you know, Megan, I have huge sympathy of Charles III, he is battling terminal cancer, as I have reported. That is a terrible thing. So I understand on a human level, he wants to have a relationship with his youngest son. He wants to have a relationship with his grandchildren. But it's not about that. This is about protecting the British monarchy from two individuals in Prince Harry and Megan Markle who want to tear it down. And Clive Alderton was doing his damnedest to try and save Charles III from himself. And he is now gone. He's likely to be replaced by a guy called Theo Ryecroft, who has made it his mission in life to bring Prince Harry back. It's something called Operation Thor. And it's been going on for the past year. The British public keep on getting these missives. Oh, Harry's not really a bad guy. He's doing this. He didn't really mean the British royal family was racist. He didn't really make the late Queen Elizabeth's last two years on earth while she was battling with terminal cancer in absolute misery. And I'm sickened by it. But Megan, it's happening. It's on. Two developments on this over the past 24 hours. We learned that Charles III has now... offered to hand Buckingham Palace to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle any time they want it when they're in the UK. First visit could be as early as September. They would be the only members of the royal family. at all. I mean, I don't consider making a member of the royal family. I guess Harry is by blood, but they would be the only members of the royal family at all staying in Buckingham Palace, the symbolic heart of the royal family in the United Kingdom. I'm disgusted by that. And Charles III has also invited Harry and the family to spend time with him at Balmoral over summer. The one big... I guess, block, roadblock and all of this remains Prince William and Catherine, the Princess of Wales, who at this point, are holding firm, refused to meet with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle on the most recent visit to the country, are disgusted by the fact that they shared these private images, including at the grave of Princess Diana. But unfortunately, Megan, Megan Markle is worming her way back.

And you know, because we've covered the story for a long time, Megan, she is only doing this because the money has run out. She has no love of this country. She hates us. She said she told Omed Scobie, that weird little propaganda. She was never going to come back to this country. And it's only because the Netflix money has run out, the Spotify money has run out, they're hated by Hollywood. They don't get invites to the Met Gala or to the Emmy Awards or the Oscars that they want to worm their way back. And you know, I struggle with this as a monarchist and a royalist, but unfortunately, Megan, I think Charles III is making a huge mistake. And this departure of Sir Clive Auditon, I repeat, he's not a household name, but this is all about the mechanics of finding a way for Prince Harry to return to the royal fold. And he wants it. Harry wants it. The marriage is miserable. He wants to spend as much time away from that woman. as humanly possible. I mean, who could blame him in all honesty? But no, this doesn't surprise me at all because you're right. Okay, like, we do not want him. How do we get stuck with them? This is. He's a Prince of England. You guys are, you should have him. If anyone has to be stuck with him, it should be you. But he, you're right about the Netflix deal. She tried to spin that second season of her stupid show as like it was renewal and it wasn't. And now, oh, there's not a third season. She tried through, I'm sure, either her agents or Netflix to get herself an Emmy nomination, a daytime Emmy nomination, which, which she did. Dan, let me tell you something. When I was at NBC, I was hosting that third hour of the today show. It did not go well. I got an Emmy nomination for that show. Now, my show actually was good. It just wasn't popular. It was ridiculous. It is a nothing burger. It is meaningless. She, I'm sure, is convinced this is somehow her way back. It isn't. No one cares. But Megan, this wasn't a daytime show. They run out of money, right? It wasn't a daytime shows have an $80 million budget and 100 staff members producing it. This was not a daytime show. It was a prime time, huge investment by Netflix, which they have. have now tried to repurpose as a daytime show in order to secure an Emmy nomination. Yeah, and it's failed. They got no viewership and Netflix. That's the reason they didn't renew any sort of a deal with them. And then as you point out, yeah, Spotify, obviously there's that famous quote with their top executive. One of them, Bill Simmons, calling them grifters. So, yeah, and she hasn't been able to land any sort of a paying job. Her company as ever is reportedly doing poorly. So yes, they go back to the one source of fame and money that they know will work. But I think there's something else going on at the same time, Dan, you tell me. Because not only are all those things not going well, everything they touch turns to crap over here in America, but they're watching the air. They're watching Prince William and Princess Catherine.

everything they touch turns to gold. Their star turn at, you know, Wimbledon. You see them on, they're like, I mean, I don't want to be too over the top, but there's something like, I don't know, ethereal about Princess Kate. And they're beloved. She nails everything. Her fashion is perfect. Her class. And they're universally praised for their behavior, their choices. the way they interact with people. And I think these two over in Montecito can't stand it. And they're like, we want another chance. We can do it. Like we can fold in. We can be like them. We can have the same sort of accolades that those two do. You're completely right. But there is one other big factor I want to throw into the mix megan, which a lot of people miss out on. You know who Prince Harry is more jealous of than anyone in the world? And this is twisted, but he's a twisted individual. It's not Prince William. It's not Catherine, the Princess of Wales. It's his nephew. It's Prince George. because he is the second in line to the throne. He replaced Harry in the line of succession. And Harry knows there is a window because you know George just turned 13. He's about to start at Eton in September. His birthday is the day before my 13-year-olds. Oh, wow. Wow, exact same age. You can see them grow up at the same time. That's quite sweet, isn't it? Totally. Whenever I see Prince George, I'm like, and he actually has a pretty good resemblance to it. Thatcher, my third. So it's actually super fun to watch them age because it's, you know, just a benchmark in time. Anyway, keep going. That was like me because I was pretty much identical age as Prince William. And he has five years. Harry knows that in five years' time, it is over for him. Because at that point, Prince George steps out of school, becomes the most eligible bachelor in the world, the most famous member of the British royal family. And Harry knows there is a small and closing window in order for him to be able to capitalize on the remaining fame and popularity he has. Now, this is not a sort of theory. This is something that Harry has voiced to a number of allies and friends and biographies. So he knows that this window is closing. He knows he has five years. He also knows, Megan, that if Prince William, were to come to the throne tomorrow as King William, none of this opportunity for return would be there. So he's aware that there is a tight window, and it's a tight window for two reasons, that the health of Charles III, but also the rise of Prince George. Because William and Catherine are very clear. They want Prince George to have a sheltered childhood. So even though we're going to see a little bit more of him the next five years, Megan, one of the reasons that they chose to send him to Eaton is because it's the poshest school in the country. It's where William attended. And it's protected, right? So it's in Windsor. They have massive police protection. I mean, one of my friends actually, her son is there at the moment. So I know a little bit how it works at Eaton. It is a very, very controlled place where even the parents, Megan, don't get the opportunity to just go and visit their kids. Everything is organized.

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Let's talk about the fact that Megan Markle finally, her long-awaited, oh sure, appearance on Master Chef Australia has now been released. When she taped it, it was so poorly done that it made news because there was an issue about how they announced her. Here's the soundbite. Sot 9. We've had Master Chef royalty in the kitchen before. But no one like this. All the way from sunny California, please welcome to Master Chef Australia. The Duchess of Sussex, Megan Markle! Oh, don't you know I'm Sussex now, Dan? She was so mad. She hated that woman who introduced her Po. And Poe is actually a big name in Australia. She's beloved. She came through Master Chef. So she started off as a contestant. She's now a judge, really beloved in Australia. So obviously, Megan decided to hate her and decide that she's a real bitch. And she totally castigated Poe behind the scenes for having introduced her as royalty. But this is nuts, Megan, because, you know, the whole concept of Megan's guest appearance was framed around the idea of a dish fit for a Duchess. So it's like, what? That's okay. But describing you as royalty is not. And by the way, again, no one's really pointed this out. Maybe no one cares anymore. But this... Appearance, Megan, goes directly against the agreement that Queen is but the second made with Megan Markle, because you'll remember the Sandrineum Summit was absolutely adamant in the fact that Megan was not able to commercialise aspects of the British royal family. Yet my understanding, Megan, is she's being paid for this Mastership Australia experience. She wasn't doing this for altruistic reasons. She's not donating her feature charity. This is... straight money in her pocket, and yet she used her Duchess title within it. So that is immediately a contravention of the Sandringham Summit. Okay, there was another weird moment that we've just gotten a look at that has some people talking online, and I actually share the view. Sat 5. Listen, watch this. Can I ask you, please, Megan, what is your favorite dish to cook for the family? That's a tough one. It's a tough one because I have a lot of palates to appease. My husband being from the UK loves a lot of meat, potatoes, cream sauce. The California girl, I like grilled fish, grilled meats, lots of citrus. I just like using really pure, natural herbs and spices. You know, again, if you can pull fresh herbs, like, do you say herbs or herbs here? Do you say herbs? You do? She don't cook. I'm sorry. She don't cook. It's weird. Even like I don't cook, but I've got like my five go-toes as a mother of three children that, you know, I will cook. If you ask me that, my answer would be lasagna. Everybody loves it. I've learned how to cook it. It's a crowd pleaser. Why can't she name?

the favorite meal. I've got a lot of pallets to appease. So does every mother on earth. What are you saying? Of course, obviously, you have more than one child. You do. But somehow we managed to find an option. And most mothers or fathers, if they're the family cook, would have it at the ready, Dan. 100%. But she don't cook. Okay, because later in the show, she's asked to make something, guess what she does? Pesto! So you know, Megan, from your hilarious sort of version of With Love, Megan, with Maureen Callaghan, you know all she does, yeah, your parody, that's the word I'm looking for. All she does is cruditase and dips. And fruit. So she actually, she's a woman who has a cooking and lifestyle show, who sells cooking and lifestyle products, is appearing on a cooking reality show. But she doesn't cook. She makes dips with crudatase because I'm sorry, that is the easiest question to answer. And she doesn't cook for Harry. Poor Harry. He's not getting home cooking. from Megan Markle, okay? Trust me. No, I totally agree. And it was obvious when you watch her stupid show. Her biggest recipe was the Martha Stewart recipe for one pot pasta, which she stole. It was very clear if you line up the two recipes next to each other, they are virtually identical, which tells you a lot. Okay, here she is and talking about. And Martha Stewart changed the description on her website to read the original and the best. And so I think Martha Stewart knows that Megan Markle stole it too. Oh, she completely knows. Okay, here's her talking about how, what desserts she'll allow her children, Archie and Lillabet, in SOT 6. The kids jump in a lot, especially with the garden. I think it's really, it's such a nice luxury to be able to have so much space and things to cook. And if they say, Mama, can I have dessert? You say, if you can pick it, you can have it. You can't pick chocolate. No, you can't pick chocolate. They can go pick a nice piece of food or whatnot. But now we always have a nice, as my husband would say, pud after dinner. Oh, those poor children. If you can't pick it off a tree, you can't have it as dessert. Okay, great. Sounds like a lot of fun, Dan. She's that mom, isn't she? In fairness to know, Megan, my mom is the most amazing woman in the world, and I adore her, but she was a bit like that. My mom was the mom that when we had trick-or-treating, mom would say we'll have a bowl of carrots. So I think Megan Marker is that mom. Because here's the thing, Megan, and this is again a wider point. Markle doesn't like food. And I'm someone who loves my food. You know, Megan? I battle with my way. I love my food. It's like my passion in life. And I can really pick out that Megan Markle doesn't like food. She loves to drink, right? She's a big drink. She always has a cocktail in hand, always has a wine in hand. Again,

Not attacking that, you know, I like a drink too. But I genuinely believe she is not a woman who likes food, who enjoys food. Food for her is some type of weird social status thing. And so, yes, those poor kids, no one wants to go out and forage for their dessert. I know every time your mom's sending you out into your, make sure we get it on camera too. God forbid we do anything that's not on camera, including you made a reference to it. We had a report that, you know, when the Buckingham Palace Day didn't work out for them on their last visit to meet with the king. They, you know, we were supposed to shed a tear for them, Dan, but they actually wound up staying at the estate of Diana's brother, Charles. He's also Charles, Charles Spencer. which almost puts Buckingham Palace to shame. So we're supposed to feel super sorry for them, but this guy's estate looks like Downton Abbey. And there was a question about whether while there, because that's where Diana is buried, whether while there, she would dare try to get a photo op somewhere near Diana's grave. And it appears she did it. She posted pictures online of her two children on the estate. We don't know exactly. I think Diana's buried near a pond or a lake there. But we know very well what she's telegraphing with this shot of her children on that particular estate, Dan. And there's been a lot of reaction to this, suggesting she can't go anywhere. She's a disaster tourist. She can't go anywhere where that doesn't bring up a tragedy where she doesn't insert herself or in this case her family, right smack dab in the middle. Oh, I think this is just the start, too. I mean, there's, number one, there's absolutely no doubt that was taken at all thought because she has propagandists in the US media, largely People magazine, and they confirmed that that picture was taken at all thought. And they are briefed directly, by the way. I mean, People magazine has admitted that Harry sometimes emails them direct. So that definitely is confirmed. That picture was taken at all thought. But what I think is particularly... awful about it is that you know archie and lily the two children i don't call her lily bet megan and i don't use their princely titles because lily bet was the late queen's nickname she never wanted uh megan and harry to use it and i don't actually think they are genuine prince and princesses so just explaining that's why i call them archie and lily rather than using their full titles like i would for other members of the royal family yeah so so this is the first time i'd ever been there And the fact that Megan not only decided to get it on camera, but post it, says a lot about her. But my belief is that this is just the beginning. They need money, and they still have a first look deal with Netflix. And Netflix has been very interested, Megan, for a long time, in a documentary. And you can't blame them. It would do massive numbers. A documentary on Princess Diana. Oh, yeah. If it's about the Royals. Yeah. And it's, well, it's the 30th anniversary of Diana's death next year. Now, I don't know about you, Megan. That was a huge moment in my life. We all remember. We all remember where we were. If we're a certain age, we all remember it. And Harry, and, you know, I don't agree with Harry on virtually anything. But this is, but I'm always going to be honest if I do. And this is one area where I do agree with him.

Harry doesn't believe the full story has been told about Princess Steiner's death. So if he is prepared to make a documentary for Netflix, where he goes through some of that, obviously, it would be a massive blockbuster. And the deal that they have with Netflix and Ted Serandos, Megan, means that they have to offer it to Netflix first. It's like what the Obamas have. It's like a first look deal. So effectively, Netflix has the right of refusal. But what I believe the executives want in order to... push up the price is imagery of the family at Hawthorpe, at Diana's grave. I don't believe that they had like a professional camera crew in tow, although there had been some reports from Alison Boshoff and the Daily Mail and Tom Sykes of the Daily Beast that they were actually going to take a professional crew. But my understanding is that actually what they did... is use their mobile phones. And this was something that was very successful for the first Netflix documentary. Do you remember when Prince Harry was on the Freedom Flight? You know, they're coming out of horrible Canada, you know, awful Canada to come to the US, the Freedom Flight. And they're sitting on the private jet and like Harry's panning around and you can see Doria there. But that was just on the mobile phone. So I don't believe they needed to have a professional camera crew, but that's why they were so desperate for this visit to take place. It wasn't to see the king. This is the thing. People keep forgiving these guys. They don't care about the king. They don't care about his mental health. They don't care about the British royal family. They don't care about the British people. They care about money. And so they need proximity to royalty, but they also need this imagery of the children at all thought. So I, my... My educated guess is what I would say, Megan, is that we're going to see a lot more of those kids at Diana's grave. That was the starter. I mean, do you actually think that Harry is so cynical that to get his next Netflix deal, he'll do a tell-all about his dead mother? I think it's likely, yeah, because he feels that he was, I mean, I'm using the Oprah term, right, silence. He feels he was silenced by the British royal family and by the establishment over the death of Princess Diana. He admitted that in spare, his autobiography. So... The thing is, Megan, he's failed on a lot now. So he's lost his court case against the British government, you know, for the extra security. He's been thrashed in his court case against the Daily Mail. That costs hearing is coming this week. I mean, the cost, Megan, could go to something like $67 US. And sure, there's insurance, but insurance. $67 million. Sorry, $67 million. Yeah. Insurance ain't going to cover all of that. So. I think he needs a new battle because he describes himself as a dragon slayer. You know, he wants to see himself as someone who's taken on the establishment. Obviously, this is all an irony given he is the establishment. Like, Harry, you are the most privileged guy on earth. Shut up about white privilege because if there's one person who does actually have it, it's you. You're a member of the Royal Family. Yes, you're the walking embodiment of it. You are the, exactly, you're the embodiment of white privilege. But do I believe he's cynical enough to do it? Yes, because he does.

feel like the true story of Princess Diana's death has not been fully told. Well, I mean, if he's going to go blame it on the paparazzi, we've heard that line before. I look forward to him discussing the drunk driver. Wait, I've got to ask you about the Oprah comment you just made because she recently spoke to that moment where you, her overacting, were you silent or silenced? Were you silent or were you silenced? The latter. Okay. Very nice. I don't think I've done it since. I don't know where the hell of that came from. Whoop. Okay. I thought, Dan, that that was actually a very telling exchange because I think Megan Markle's on the outs with Oprah. She, Oprah didn't say. You know, anything nice about Megan when given the opportunity. She didn't tout that interview, which was, you know, much promoted. She just kind of made fun of herself for that gesture and moved on. And of course, it was a massive fail for Oprah. She let Megan Markle get away with lying about the royal family. We now know there was no follow-up. It was actually quite pathetic. It was two actresses acting for the camera. But what did you make of that Oprah moment? Oprah Winfrey is embarrassed. She's mortified. But it's too late. Your legacy, Oprah, is that interview. And what was so interesting, this was a vanity fair. thing, right, where she watched back highlights of her career, like the, you got a car, you got a car, you got a car. But actually, what do we remember Oprah Winfrey for? The fact that when she had an opportunity to question Megan Markle about shocking and we now know untrue allegations, I knew they were untrue at the time. So did Piers Morgan. So did a lot of people. But untrue allegations, she did nothing. And in this interview, Megan, her defense is that that was a follow-up question. Well, you're one of the top journalists in the world. I'm sorry. If Megan Markle says you, I've been silenced, what do you say? You say, oh, wow, who by? Who by? That's terrible. Exactly, right. Who silenced you? Was it, Sir Clive Or they wanted you to kill yourself? They allowed you to be suicidal without getting you help? Who specifically? Yes. She refused to do it because she wanted to pander. She just wanted her big exclusive. And Oprah made a fool out of herself and gave one of the biggest liars in public life. a complete unfettered forum to spew her nonsense. So yeah, you're right. This is not a follow-up question. Hopefully we were on to them. It's not a follow-up question, Oprah. That's not. Maybe we didn't learn that on the set of the Oprah Winfrey show. Dan Wooden, always a pleasure. Everybody check out Dan. He's an independent journalist now. I knew it would work out. His show is unspoken. Thank you so much, Megan. Thank you for all of your support right from the start. Thank you, Dan. Dan Wooden, everybody. Tomorrow we are going to have an NR Day National Review right here at the MK Show, and we will be diving deep as Anthony Fauci returns to Capitol Hill over his own objection. He tried to avoid this. It's been two years. I can't wait to see Rand Paul this go-round. Stay tuned. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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