'Unbelievable': Trump parties at World Cup during deadly weekend for U.S. troops

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Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes. Donald Trump has provided the country with another just unbelievable split screen this weekend. The president of the United States, the first ever FIFA Peace Prize recipient, yucking it up, partying at the World Cup finals, while the war he started with Iran and then restarted faces one of the worst weeks yet and threatens to spiral out of control. Now, for Trump this weekend, all eyes were on the goal, as he and his family seemed to have a grand old time amid the backdrop of even more U.S. troops killed under his watch pursuing his war. The Army has identified two of the American soldiers killed in action over the weekend. Private Isabella Gonzalez of Texas was just 19 years old. First Lieutenant Tyler James Feehan of Hawaii was 25. Both were killed when Iran struck a military base in Jim Jordan, which maintains a large footprint from American forces and serves as a key hub for U.S. airstrikes in Iran. A third soldier died in Iraq in an unrelated incident that involved a downed Iranian drone, which brings the total of Americans who have died in this war to 17 that we know of. As a New York Times reports today, Trump's Pentagon has withheld information about dozens of injuries related to the ongoing Iran war. Pete Hegseth says Department of Defense is obsessed with the culture of winning. Total domination. Any information contrary to that narrative is suppressed, apparently. Those attacks not only injured dozens of U.S. service members, they also damaged several helicopters, quote, but the Pentagon did not disclose the earlier strikes, nor the casualties and damage they inflicted. In response, a U.S. military official told the Times, quote, Central Command is not required to release information about injured service members, especially when they quickly return to duty. I guess the government doesn't think you need to know about the service members being injured ostensibly on your behalf in a war being fought with your tax dollars and in your name. And there has been reporting for months across all fronts of this war from many different sources that the fundamental situation, the balance of power, is not nearly as rosy as the administration is constantly telling us. that the U.S. and Israel, for example, are running critically low on missile interceptors because we were just completely unprepared for the reality of the war and now its duration. To that last point, it is not even clear if Trump is aware of that reality. No, really, listen to this. The Washington Post reporting, according to a single U.S. official granted anonymity, quote, we do not have enough munitions to safely sustain operations, and I don't think the White House is aware of that. I hope so in the White House is at least reading the Washington Post. Meanwhile, over the past several months, thousands of people, thousands of people are dead across both Iran and Lebanon and in Israel, including civilians. They are apparently not a consideration at all for this White House, which, last we forget, bombed a girls' elementary school as one of the war's first acts. The Yemeni militant group, the Houthis, are also now escalating. They just announced a blockade of the Red Sea from Saudi Arabian oil. Should they go ahead and fully close the Bob El Mondeb Strait, that could reduce the global oil supply by 7%. That, of course, on top of about the 10% that flows to the Strait of Hormuz. Which means everything is sitting on a nice edge in the Middle East right now.

Here at home, the second order affects the war returning fast. Because oil is not moving through the Strait of Hormuz. Gas prices are creeping back up. National average, back over four bucks a gallon, as our strategic reserves here in the U.S. are down to their lowest levels since the Reagan administration. This was a story that kind of flew on the radar bit, but we were using that strategic reserve to sort of float oil prices down. And it's not clear at all that China and Japan will bail us out this time with their own much larger than expected reserves and China's drastic reduction to imports that it was able to pull off during the first phase of the war, which really did save Donald Trump and American gas consumers baking. Now, throughout all of this, you've got the Commander-in-Chief. I don't know what you can even see. I mean, asleep at the wheel. Not always asleep. Sometimes he's awake. And when he's awake, he's mostly plotting and ranting about sabotaging our free and fair elections so that he can rig it for the Republican Party. Or, alternately, publicly obsessing over things like the font choice and the tiles for all his little redecorating projects. Trump transparently does not care and can't even bother to pretend to anymore. That's the reality. The only reason he even seemingly bothered to comment on those deceased soldiers is because a Little Watch news outlet had to call him up and force him to address it. We hadn't heard from the president yet about these deaths, so we decided to call him to see if he had a reaction. And that was the first thing I asked him, what his reaction was to the news of these two U.S. service members that were killed in Iranian attacks yesterday. The president telling me he finds it very sad. He says it's a very sad thing. We hate to see it happen. But then the president told me it's in service to our country. We're never, they're never going to allow Iran to have a new. nuclear weapon. Again, I grow tired of pointing this out, but I feel duty-bound to do it. A year ago, during the bombing of Iran, he said the program had been obliterated. And anyone who questioned it being obliterated was essentially disloyal and treasonous. Now, Trump started this war, this version of it this year, in part because the Israeli government convinced him to. And then he got bored pretty quickly, as he does with all of his actual presidenting. Remember, he did his little pre-recorded video in the middle of the night of the baseball hat, and I was that. And then he went back to doing what he'd much rather do, flying back to New York to hang out at the World Cup finals. That's why this guy is in it. Now, I wouldn't say it was a warm reception from the crowd, as you can hear there. Lots of people posted videos of what sure sounds like booing. After all, Trump gets booed at basically every sporting event he attends. I was in the garden on game three, and it was deafening how loud he got booed. This video comes from NBC News White House correspondent Monica Alba. What does it sound like to you? For one local report, security Metlight Stadium confiscated thousands of red cards that fans were going to waive to mock the president's corruption. Of course, he calling the head of FIFA to get a red card revoked on an American player. Patrons say the cards were taken when security learned they were actually part of an anti-Trump protest.

And as for the game, the Trump curse struck again when Argentina, the team he clearly preferred from a country with a Trump sycophant and buddy as president got shut out and lost. But, you know, the man was clearly just thrilled with all the attention anyway, right? That's what keeps him going. Just look at him, soaking up all the glory with the champion Spanish team who actually accomplish something. Why is he? Why is he on stage? Why is he there? It's so cringy. He appears to be trying to photo bomb their team picture after they've done something very impressive. He was pulled aside by fever president Johnny Infantino. Zagarin put it in a truly legendary photo caption, quote, Johnny Infantino carefully explains to President Trump that he is not part of the Spanish national team. Trump also weirdly grossly inserted himself in the actual process of handing out the World Cup trophy. Look how he hide the thing. Like you just like looks like he wants it for himself. And all of this would pair well with the ridiculous FIFA Peace Prize, the organization made him a kind of participation trophy after he didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize and was super bummed out about it. And then, you know, just over two months after receiving that peace prize, he started a regime-change war of choice in Iran that everyone warm would be disastrous, and now here we are. A war that continues to this day, leaving thousands dead, injured, displaced, that's left American service members' families grieving and has left Trump utterly and completely unbothered. Congressman Adam Smith is a Democrat of Washington State and serves as a top Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, and he joins me. Now, you know, Congress and optics aren't everything. And sometimes, you know, during long periods in which the U.S. was engaged in combat operations, presidents will do lots of things. They'll go and play golf. And you can say, why are you golfing where there's a war happening? All of that said, I did find this weekend unnerving. There's the president having a blast with his family, and he's like hanging out with the trophy, and the war has gone in a terrible direction. We lost three U.S. service members in the last 72 hours. Yeah, no, I think you did a pretty decent summary, and I think unnerving is an understatement. Look, the war is the disaster that you described. Trump has no plan, no idea what he's doing, and he still acting in an unreal world. I don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. What's that got to do with anything that's going on right now, as you described? Putting aside from the moment that supposedly the nuclear weapon was destroyed in that attack a year ago. They're not even having conversations about that. The conversation now is about the Strait of Hormuz, and I guess now the Red Sea. Look, this is the most dangerous time I think our country's been in a long time because we have a president who is unhinged. He is not connected to reality. And that's bad, but he's conducting a war. Service members are dying. The world is becoming more unstable. And he's not even really paying attention to it.

So I just, I would do the plea to my Republican colleagues to responsible people in the administration, wake him up, at least in the war. You know, and then, of course, you've got all the conversations about, you know, what he's going to do with the elections and what he's doing with ICE agents all across the country. This is a scary time with the president who was kind of disconnected from reality combined with wanting to execute a fascist takeover of our country and starting international wars. It's that bad, in my opinion. I want to read you back that quote that I highlighted in the intro there from the Washington Post because it does seem that there's, I mean, this is an issue that I'm going to confess no expertise in and also no special insight into. But I think that if anyone does, it might be you, which is just the kind of actual stockpiles necessary, particularly for interceptors, which are fundamentally protective, right? The story we were told was we've taken out all their ballistic missile capabilities. They're completely, they got nothing left. They're totally done. And then we get, you know, having missiles fired and U.S. service members being killed. And the Washington Post saying, we do not have enough to safely sustain operations. And I don't think the White House is aware of that. The official said, what do you make of that? Well, I think it feeds into the fact the president's not paying attention to what's going on. And look, we all knew. I mean, gosh, at the start of the war, yes, you can drop a lot of bombs and you can blow up a lot of their missile capability, but you can't eliminate it. They still have the capacity to inflict pain as they have demonstrated. And we don't know what our magazine depths are because, again, this is something that the administration has not been transparent about. I'm 100% confident that Trump doesn't know. I'm also pretty sure that even Secretary Pete Hegseth doesn't know. They are just walking into a chaotic mess, and they just keep going. even though they have no idea where they're headed, and even though the cost of that chaotic mess continues to rise. The last time that I had you on this program, you said you were a no on a supplemental. Now, that was during an earlier period of the war where they were sort of floating a supplemental. Noticably, they kind of, that sort of disappeared, but presumably the same issue extends. I mean, they need money. They're conducting a war. You've now got Pete Hegseth doing a debriefing, I guess, with a select group of Republican House members. And I guess the thing they're going to try to do is push through yet another reconciliation bill so they could try to jam something through in a party line vote. Is that your understanding of the current strategy?

That's what they're going to try. And look, we need to be an emphatic no on the supplemental if that's the only way to stop this war. I mean, to continue to try and fund it in this half-assed way. And as you pointed out, even this funding, it's not going to magically make the interceptors appear that we need to maintain our stockpiles. Look, I don't know what it's going to take to get the Trump administration's attention. I don't know what it's going to take to get the Republican Congress's attention. But we need to shout as loudly as we can in this war. We're not giving you any more money for it because it is an utter disaster that needs to stop now. You mentioned the kind of lack of consultation with Congress. And again, this is part of the course. They don't really believe in Congress as an independent entity at all, as far as I can tell. But I mean, you've been around. The U.S. has had waged a series of wars over your career in Congress and my time as a journalist. It seems to me that this is out of the ordinary, even by the standards of... fairly imperial presidencies, right? Like, what they're doing here is different than before. Is that fair? Yeah, absolutely. And look, and it feeds into the narrative of Trump as a fascist instead of a democratically elected president of the United States. I mean, George W. Bush regularly briefed us. We didn't love the wars or how they were going. But there was a sense within the Bush administration that there was a constitutional construct and a role for Congress and a role for the executive. And they were interested in trying to maintain that even as they pursued their own objectives. There's no evidence whatsoever that Donald Trump and the top people in his administration care about any of that. And the only way, the only conclusion based on everything else that's going on is they want to be dictator. He wants to be a dictator, not the democratically elected president in this country. So, yeah, add all those factors together. And it is an incredibly dangerous time for our country. All right. Congressman Adam Smith, thanks for making a lot of time for us tonight. Thanks for us. Coming up, the alarming new report, the FBI is going to just completely stop investigating confrontations with ICE agents. Vinita Gupta was the Associate Attorney General and Joe Biden. She's here to talk about it. Next. During the Trump administration, ICE and CBP and DHS have all seemed intent on shielding its agents from accountability. Now the New York Times reports that federal agents recently received written notice that the FBI will no longer even investigate ICE confrontations at all. That means, quote, responsibility for investigating cases involving federal immigration officers would likely fall to Homeland Security investigations and arm of ICE, effectively leaving the agency to investigate itself.

In a joint statement to the Times, the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security denied any change in policy, saying the relationship between THS and DOJ in investigating assault on federal officer cases has not changed. And FBI will continue to investigate in accordance with agency policy, although note they're talking about assaults on federal officers as opposed to shootings by those officers against, say, folks like Alex Pretty, Renee Good. Now, keep in mind, there have now been multiple shootings where, as far as we know, again, what's been publicly reported will people find out, it is not just that there hasn't been a federal law enforcement investigation. Certainly no indictment. It's not even investigation. It's not clear there's been any federal investigation. Like, an inspector general or even a professional after-action review to determine if, for instance, immigration agents who just shot and killed someone are psychologically stable enough to go back on the floors. I mean, again, as far as we know publicly, there's nothing so far, not in Texas, not in Maine, not in Minnesota. No accountability for fatal missteps. In fact, today, Tom Homan refuted the idea that ICE made mistakes in Minnesota this winter. They kept saying, they kept going to Minnesota. All the mistakes they say happen in Minnesota. I don't think there's, you know, there's a lot of the mistakes. They claim in Minnesota a lot more, I don't think, mistakes. Benita Gupta was Associate U.S. Attorney General and the Biden administration, the number three person in charge of the Justice Department. She also headed the Department's Civil Rights Division, the Obama administration. In her work, both in the government and as a leading civil rights attorney, she's focused during her career on investigations of law enforcement, including Patterson Unnecessary Excessive Use of Force, and she joins me now. It's great to have you on. I should say that Tom Homan attempted to refute that. I don't think you refuted it. Take me, given your experience, which has been literally decades of investigations of deadly shootings by law enforcement or patterns and practices of excessive force. Does it strike you the way it strikes me? And you know more about this than I do. We're in a totally uncharted territory in just the complete absence or even pretense of essentially anything after a federal immigration official shoots and kills someone like we've seen in the last year. Yeah, I mean, first of all, it's great to be on. Great to see you, Chris. It is unconscionable. It's unprecedented. It's not acceptable. Look, I don't, what we have seen from agents, kind of brutality in Minneapolis. the lack of any follow-up investigation. And remember, there was an immediate outcry with protesters every day showing up in Minneapolis for days in sub-zero temperatures demanding justice for the types of brutality by those agents in the streets that we hadn't seen in recent times. And that was declared unacceptable by local and state law enforcement quite a long time ago. And this was a...

There's been no investigation into Renee Goods' killing. And I have, and I hate to say this, but I have no confidence in any type of real investigation with Alex Prattie's death. Now there's been, I think, you know, six total people killed by federal immigration agents. Three of them are U.S. citizens. Three of them are immigrants. We have misidentified people who are shot and killed. And the utter lack of any investigation is such a, it's just unconscionable for the country. And, you know, what is I think so awful about all of this is there's real public safety consequences to people feeling like. federal law enforcement is operating without legitimacy in the streets. That is bad. That's bad for all of us. And when there is an accountability to follow up, even a preliminary investigation, which would be absolutely typical, Chris, in any prior Republican or Democratic administration. This is not a partisan issue. This was like pro forma that would happen in these types of incidents. And it's been total silence from the Justice Department. I mean, not even that. I mean, again, I've covered this at local levels, at state levels, at federal levels, you know, even say a local police department, if there's an officer shoots someone or they shoot and kill someone. You know, there's a bunch of steps to get taken. Usually they're put immediately on leave, right? There are some sort of investigation. I mean, It's not clear that anyone, we had reporting that the agent who shot Alex Freddie was put on leave, but that was only after the name of the agent was produced and I think sort of bowing to public pressure. But it's not even clear that they're not just going out to work with their gun the next day in some of these cases, which is, again, as far in my experience covering this, totally, totally unprecedented. Yeah, you know, and I would take it even a step further, to be honest with you. You know, there haven't been any consequences or doesn't appear to be any real investigation. Now there's reporting saying that the FBI won't investigate any actions of DHS agents, that that will be handled internally. The FBI operates independently. The FBI doesn't do a mother may I with another agency. That is also an unprecedented announcement. think is like particularly pernicious about all of this is that you and I both have been following the news. Every time that one of these incidents happen, the administration rushes to impugn the integrity of the victim, calling the victim's domestic terrorists, calling them, you know, saying that they were inciting law enforcement and that that's the immediate kind of go-to narrative rather than actually conducting an independent investigation to understand the facts. And, you know, it's It's unacceptable. And again, as I said, this isn't partisan. This was, you know, what was typical that the FBI would open an investigation just at least to understand the facts. And remember, in Minneapolis.

The U.S. Attorney's Office, there were federal prosecutors and prosecutors from the Civil Rights Division that sought to do what they would always do, which is to rush out to the scene, work with the FBI to, you know, investigate, talk to witnesses on the scene, investigate the physical evidence. They were totally barred from doing so. And then insult on injury, when the state tries to do so, the state is told that they are not going to have access to the... to the evidence that the feds may or may not have collected. And they're, you know, forced to try to investigate and conduct an investigation with their hands tied behind their back. Like, this is, this is not justice. You've worked in two Democratic administrations. You've also worked in, you know, in civil rights litigation outside the administration. You know, Todd Blanche is up for possibly being confirmed to attorney general, but I mean, I don't think you should be confirmed if anyone wonders how I feel about it. But. When you take a step back, it's like the problem's not Todd Blanche, right? Something has been fundamentally altered about the entire way the Department of Justice operates. And if I allow myself to think about like, what even do you begin to do day one? How do you even think of this of someone who worked in that building? Like January 20th, you show up in Maine Justice and your job is to try to make this institution work again after what's been done to it. Well, right now we have a White House that is directing all the actions of the Justice Department and directing who to prosecute, when to prosecute, putting pressure on the remaining career folks, because as you and I both know, the Justice Department has lost 25% of its own personnel, including from the National Security Division. These are long-term experts that have been keeping our country safe in national security and civil rights. I mean, the department has been decimated of career expertise. And it won't surprise you. do, Chris, to know that there are a lot of us that are already engaging in thinking about what it's going to take to rebuild this institution and doing a lot of that hard work. But I've got to tell you, the Justice Department isn't just abdicating its responsibility right now around enforcing the law and doing these civil rights investigations. I mean, look at what's happening with all of the efforts that the president is directing of the Justice Department to try to create so doubt and vote. voters' fears in voters' minds and try to rig election outcomes. And the president and the administration are literally kind of using the department as a tool to try to get access to private voter databases, trying to federalize the elections, even though the constitution is very clear that states run our elections, not the federal government. And we are, you know, we're seeing this at every level with, you know, the department trying to conduct investigations of voter registration organizations. I mean, that speech last Thursday was...

It was so comical, if not so serious, in the efforts by the president to, you know, sowed out in voters' minds. The good news is that we have seen this playbook. And we prepared for it in 2020. We prepared for it in 24, although the federal government was on the side of protecting voters' rights at that point. And there's a lot of people now geared up to do everything we can against the Justice Department's efforts to, you know, sow this doubt and to... show up and protect the election, run to court. They're losing in court. And the best thing that we can have is for voters to come out in great numbers in favor of the rule of law in favor of, you know, affordability and having a good cost of, you know, living. But this is, this is a justice department that I am sat to say I don't recognize. But the hopeful piece is that a lot of us are thinking about what the future is going to look like. All right. Anita Gupta. Thank you so much. Thank you. Still ahead, Senator Chris Murphy on Trump's once again escalating war on Iran next. You know that thing where you get an amazing pair of shoes at a really great price and want to tell everyone about it? Yeah, so do we. Here at Designer Shoe Warehouse, we'll give you something to brag about. Like the latest styles from brands you love, or the trends everyone's obsessing over. Or shoes that make you feel like, well, you. So go ahead, show off a little. Buying shoes that get you have prices that get your budget. Head to your DSW store or DSW.com today. DSW. Let us surprise you. An undisturbed sleep is a beautiful thing. That's why a beauty rest mattress is designed to give you unparalleled motion separation. Isolating movement with our pocketed coil technology to help you sleep soundly no matter what's moving on the other side of the bed. While providing individualized support for every sleeping position.

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So they're in a spot where even with new money, they have put our forces in really grave danger. And Iran knows that, which is why Iran isn't really scared of escalation. They know that the United States will likely have to stop far before Iran has to stop. Yeah, on the sort of approach to escalation and the sort of, you know, whether they're scared or not, I thought this quote, the foreign minister of Iran gave an interview, friendly interview in Iran. And he said this what I thought was striking, just in terms of the psychology of all this, because it is human beings all the way down. He said, I asked Wikoff, have you ever been in a meeting where at any moment you think the whole meeting might be bombed? Have you ever been on the phone while you're talking? You might as they say, explode or be destroyed. Have you ever, for example, while checking on your family over the phone, thought to yourself this might be the last time? And he's basically saying, look, This war started with a bunch of us getting blown up and killed. That threat hangs over us at all times. There's kind of not too much you can threaten us with beyond that. It was sort of the logic of what he was saying in this interview. I thought it was somewhat revealing. The ultimate decision maker in Iran is the supreme leader, and we made the decision to assassinate his father and his entire family. That's not necessarily a recipe to ultimately push capitulation. But we've also seen this play before over and over again. We're seeing it in Ukraine right now. We saw it in Afghanistan. We have read the history books on Vietnam. When you are trying to, when you are invading another country, when you are bombing another country, The psychology is such that there is really no price that they are unwilling to pay to defend their land, to defend their territory. And so, yes, they are going to put up with a lot of misery, both in physical terms and economic terms, and they are watching the clock, knowing that we are running out of ammunition in ways to protect ourselves and knowing that this election is coming up and the president can't keep the Strait of Hormuz closed from now until November. He's got no option. The president has no cards to play here. Unfortunately, Iran has been winning this war, and they're likely going to win this round again just because of those dynamics that we should have learned by now from other conflicts. Yeah, and in terms of that, what, you know, what level of pain, you know, Americans will tolerate. I mean, the war is already massively unpopular. You have gas going above $4 a gallon again, because, again, this is just hydraulic, right? Like, if the trade closes, oil goes up, like, it makes gas more expensive. And then on top of this, this really beggars belief. So today...

Trump announces this whole new host of 50% tariffs on a whole bunch of Canadian goods. And I love this detail. They are based in the very infamous Smoot-Josh Hawley Act of the early 1930s, one of the most sort of notorious pieces of legislation. It's unclear whether they've ever been invoked in this way and whether they're legally justifiable. But on top of everything, he's now just like slapped a whole new consumer tax on imported goods on Americans on a whole bunch of stuff. Yeah, it's almost like he's getting bad advice because nobody's asking for this. And as you mentioned, the reality is that we maybe don't even, haven't even really realized the full impact of what's going on in the Middle East right now. Our reservoirs of stored petroleum are really low. That's going to... push prices higher and higher. And now the Houthis in Yemen are threatening to close the Red Sea, which is the primary way that we've been getting oil out while Home Roos has been closed. So you put together the depletion of our stores, the possible closure of the Red Sea, these new tariffs on Canadian goods. And you are going to be seeing just massive price increases right as people are going to the polls. This is bad policy. But my gosh, if I'm a political consultant anywhere near. the Republican Senate or House majority, I would be sending people over to the White House every day to beg him to stop the tariffs and stop this war. Yeah, I think that is happening. It's not clear that they're getting much of a hearing. And to end it where we started, I think that Senate, you know, the idea they're going to push through by a party line vote and, you know, they can only afford to lose two votes on a war supplemental is just nightmarish politically and not going to happen. Senator Chris Murphy, thank you so much. Thank you. Still to come, Pablo Torre and Eamon Mohadeen on the World Cup final and how Trump had to, of course, look at him in that photo. Make it all about him. My God. Hi, it's Sierra Miller. I can't wait for you to check out my new collection of shoes and accessories at Designer Shoe Warehouse. If you love shoes as much as I do, then trust me, I got you. From cute sneak arenas to the perfect flip-lops to stunning heels. These shoes are all style, no drama. It's a girls' girl's summer, and DSW has just the shoes. Shop the Sierra Miller collection right now at your DSW store or DSW.com.

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For myself, I basically felt 10 out of 10, absolutely loved this World Cup, found it totally entertaining, enjoyable. What would you rank it, Aeman, and then I'll go to you, Pablo? You mean just in a straight number or just a quick kind of like top line analysis of it? Yeah, top line analysis. Like, was it a good World Cup and whatever that means? You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. Look, so there are some good takeaways from it. And there are some lessons learned. First of all, I am one of these guys who looks at any type of event of this magnitude. And I cannot separate the politics and the policy from the sport. I know people try to do that. I just can't do that. Maybe I'm a cynic. But the reality of it is the the Big shadow that was cast over this was the hospitality of the United States. You highlighted something that is very important, and that is how Americans in the world interacted with one another. That is very different than how the American government embraced this tournament, created a cult of personality around Donald Trump with the FIFA Peace Prize, treated the Iranian national team, denied entry to Spanish players or former Spanish players that wanted to be here to celebrate with their team. So I cannot overlook those things amidst all of the other things about ice raids and what have you. But if you were just to look at the... the sport itself, unbelievable tournament, unbelievable records, cementing the legacy of Messi, crowning the arrival of Killian Mbapes, the next great soccer player, all-time leading goal scorer. So a lot to take away from the sport and the athletes and the professionalism of these teams, the unbelievable Cinderella story and all these other ones as well. Kappa Verde, for example. And that... That point, too, Pablo, about, like, the difference between, which I think actually sort of gets to the point, which has been kind of, for me, a lot of the theme of the World Cup is, like, the difference between Trump and the government that, you know, he runs, we elected him to run, and just Americans, right? That, like, the sort of difference in hospitality in terms of the, you know, there were, there were referees who were in officials who were kicked out or on very short-term visas. The Iranians had to, like, fly out of the country for no reason or afterwards. The Americans, I think, on the ground tended, I think, to be pretty hospitable. And that kind of disconnect between who we are and who represents us was sort of also on display in the last moment. Because, of course, he's up there mugging up with the Spanish team for no reason. By the way, no one switches, no one modulates both valet and emperor better than Johnny and Fantino, who wears like the rictus smile of a guy who was basically cater-waitering to Donald Trump. It also happens to be the most important person by his own estimation in the world, right? And so there's just that dynamic, which I... perversely enjoy. But to Amund's point, look, part of the question we are contemplating here as we see the biggest World Cup ever, we mean that by ratings in terms of tournament, field size, in terms of money, what we're contemplating is, are sports, and particularly soccer and the World Cup? Are these things too big to fail?

Because what FIFA can do, what Donald Trump can do, what all of these other governmental actors can do, is soak it in so much corruption that it makes you wonder, man, this is getting to feel a bit gross. And then you get the games. And the power of sports is that you're forced to separate the art from the corruption, right? Like the art of the artist thing, Chris. And so it was the greatest World Cup I've ever seen. And also it feels like the teetering on the edge of a cliff. Yes, I mean, this is me every Sunday with the NFL, you know what I mean? Like, I like, right? I mean, everything about the NFL and the owners and Cadill. I mean, just, and then, you know, we got the, I'm a Bears fan. We got Caleb Williams. Like, losing my mind. We're all, we're all the Simpsons character, right? We're all saying, do you want to know the awful truth. You want to see me hit more dingers. And it's like, well, I do like dingers. You know? And it was also, I got to, you talked about messy, Eamon, and that, you know, just incredible career he's had. I'm going to show this photo because I think everyone in the world knows about this so far, but that I told the story to a few people yesterday. They did not know this story. So I just have, for the last ones of you, like 19 years ago, randomly some uniseph. photo shoot contest happened, where Laminia Mall got selected to be bathed by Lillian El Messi in a photo. And then that little baby is the star player for the Spanish soccer team 19 years ago. I truly can't believe that happened. I don't even think you could actually quantify it statistically. I think someone tried to run the math of the number of children who were in the neighborhood around Barcelona 19 years ago, who could have potentially seen the advertisement by Barcelona and UNICEF to come for this photo shoot. And they tried to do the statistical math of how many kids could have possibly showed up, ended up. in the photograph with Lionel Messi, then go on to play soccer for 19 years, only then to come and play Lionel Messi at the World Cup. And they could even put a number to it. So this is the part of what we say is the beautiful game, right? Like, it's the storylines. of the players. It's the storylines of their successes and their failures and their triumphs and their desire to be another world champion, like the way Messi came back. You know, some people said he should have retired after 2022 at the height of the world. And he proved a lot of people wrong by coming around and making it to the final this time, but at the same time falling short and now questions around his legacy. Not that he's not going to be the greatest of all time, but whether or not he should have come back. Because, you know, part of the criticism as well, the Argentin team real quick, is that

This time around, because they were the favorites and the way they carried themselves on the field, they were actually not very well-liked. They didn't have a lot of people cheering for them. And I think that's also a bit of an unfortunate story for them in the way this has played out. Yeah. Last little thing also, I mean, when you look at these teams, Pablo, it also is really like a story of global migration, like which just smacks you in the face in every team you're looking at, which is like, yes, like increasingly this is the world we live in, and it's not going to go in reverse. Chris, it's so funny. We're having this whole dialogue, this discourse online about the Odyssey. And it's like, these are not Greeks. And I'm like, you guys are watching the World Cup? Because like right now at the very least, who has discovered the African diaspora last is basically the competitive disadvantage that the world is grappling with. And so this whole notion of like, what are we anymore? I mean, look, to put a sort of a bow on it, it's the idea that what America has always been, which is a nation of all these things in which anybody can be multiple things, maybe the entire world is realizing the competitive advantage of diversity. And you saw that. With Spain winning this thing, you saw it at every level of the tournament. Yeah, it really hits you over the head. It was, I loved it. I had a great six weeks, wherever it was. Pablo Torre and Molladine. Thank you both for coming on to digest it. Stay tuned in just a few minutes. Jen Saki will be speaking with Arizona Senator Mark Kelly on Trump's Iran War Quagmire. We'll be right back. That does it for All In. You can catch us every week night at 8 o'clock on MS now. Don't forget to like us on Facebook. That's facebook.com slash all on with Chris. Walmart shoppers, meet the debit card design with you in mind. The Walmart Money Card offers up to $75 cash back on purchases at Walmart each year, early direct deposit, overdraft protection, and so much more. When Walmart is your everyday store, you need a card to match. That's the Walmart Money Card. Open your account today. The Walmart Money Card is issued by green dot bank, member FDIC. Fees, terms, and conditions apply. Visit Walmartmoneycard.com to learn more.