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Start your day with the morning jolt of Drake C. Toll. See, now it's on demand. My podcast is kind of a radio thing, I think, but also it's a bit of a TV show, and it's about whatever I want it to be. It's listening live as it happened, when it happened, with the instant reaction. You're home for talking sports. We go back, the Great Toll Show, Westwood One Sports Network, and there will be on demand on your radio. Anywhere in the country, I'll see you there. Westwood One Sports Talk, your home for Drake C. Toll. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. We're back here on Yappy Live. This talk radio 102.3. Bunch of people laying in on the text monster. You can weigh in as well. 423-2671023. And yes, I found that story you were talking about, or at least a similar story on a good result from a flock camera being there. One person said this, though, said I've seen numerous times where the flock cameras have caught stolen cars. Many on 153 and the thieves to go with them. So it says, if you hate thieves as much as I do, the flock cameras are worth it. That's a one text or said. Another person said this. During COVID, and this is why I talked about, our distrust of government authorities because they abused it during COVID is one reason why some people don't want the plot cameras. But this person said during COVID, the mayor of Los Angeles boasted that they were using police drones to find out if people were barbecuing in their own backyards so they could send the cops to bus them. That's the crazy stuff that was going on with the technology. And it's not unreasonable for people to assume the worst with flock cameras as well. I think it is unreasonable. That's California. The land of fruits and nuts. Yeah, I know. I mean. It seems that the issue is yes, government authorities can abuse it, but they can abuse anything. Yeah, they don't need a flock camera to abuse you. Yeah. Another person said this. We were talking about the gondola wars. And one person said, would the Rock City gondola eliminate a lot of traffic going up? the highway and free up traffic for a residence. Rock City would have a captive audience and they wouldn't really have to worry about out of towners wandering around their neighborhoods because they have no car to drive around, not sure why people are opposing this. Because I'll tell you why, and they said why. You know, Jed interviewed them and they said it openly. They don't want Rock City to have any growth. They don't want any growth. And then that's what they said. They said Rock City's fine the way it is. They don't want any more people to go. But this texture is right. The people living on the mountain would benefit greatly. Now the people in St. Elmo, they're saying that area might see more traffic. But it could also, I mean, you're going to have less coming from the other direction. So I think it kind of evens out in a lot of ways. Another person said this. How does parking in Chattanooga Valley and riding a gondola at a rock city increase traffic on lookout mountain? It doesn't. It might, like I said, increase some in St. Elmo. But the people that are against it, a lot of them are on Lookout Mountain. And it's just because they don't want any growth. They don't want change. They don't want change. And it happens a lot with communities. I mean, it does. People hate change. So there you go. One person just decided to bash Trump, you know, said, did you see our lame duck insane president asleep yesterday?

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It's an absolute disaster, but keep staying arrogant and trying to distract. Okay, so there you go. That's what one person said. They got their Trump paid in. Good for you. So, yeah, this was, I don't know if this is what you were talking about, Max. But I found this story. This is actually out of Decaturville, Tennessee. A man wanted for child rape in Tennessee was reportedly arrested in Decatur County this week. The Decatur County Sheriff's office revealed on Tuesday that the county's flock safety license plate reader system pinged on a vehicle that was associated with active warrants on Monday, alerted deputies to its location. Deputies tracked down the vehicle and conducted a traffic stop. The driver was identified who was found to have two warrants from Harding County for aggravated rape of a child that's according to the report. Bill was taken into custody and held a Decatur County Detention Center until he was transferred over to the custody of the Harding County Sheriff's Department. So you have an example of our child rapist. And that's another example. That's not the one I, this guy was wanted for rape up in New Jersey. There are probably countless examples of this, right? To me, that makes it all worth it. So this is, so some are still objecting. So give you an example out of here in Tennessee, Gwen Jacobs. Why the feeling is going to be appointed as our next U.S. Senator by Marsha Blackburn, but he's currently the Knox County Mayor. He's come out strongly against... these flat cameras. Here's what he said recently. A few weeks ago where a family was pulled over again, police got out of their cars because I think it's a very dangerous situation. They thought it was a stolen car. It was not. It was an error with the flock cameras. Those are not isolated incidents. Those may be more dramatic than what we've seen otherwise, but this system is notoriously erroneous. There's a city in California, it's 71% of the hits. where the wrong license plate. So we're talking about something that is not only not safe, it's unconstitutional. So he's saying it's not safe because it gets it wrong. He's also saying it's unconstitutional. And I hear this a lot, especially people on my side. They say this is unconstitutional because it's unreasonable search and seizures. Now, usually I would say you're not searching in the car for one. But do you have an expectation of privacy on the outside of your car when you're on a public road? You do not. Most of these cameras, from what I understand, and by the way, anyone can text in, correct me if I'm wrong. But it's my understanding these cameras are on major intersections, you know, like in the city, like this idea that somehow it's invading your privacy. How? If people didn't even know what they were, they wouldn't. They wouldn't notice them. You wouldn't notice. So there's always the slippery slope argument that, well, one day it could be used against up. I tend to be, and like I said, people can try to convince me otherwise. But I tend to think, okay, if we're really worried about it, we need more checks. I mean, really the answer is those that do abuse it.

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need maximum penalties. Absolutely. That's really what it is. You know, you can abuse anything. And I don't know who's entering the stolen cars into the system in California, but they got a problem if they're putting all that stuff in there wrong. Yeah, well, that's good point. And that's not a camera's fault. Yeah. So Garrett Langley is the CEO of the company, Flock, which makes these cameras. And of course, this has been a big issue all of a sudden. I mean, these things have been around for years. They're not exactly brand new, but for some reason lately, it's become like one of those things. It becomes a moral pain. Data centers is the same way. You know, if you're dating your neighbor's wife, then that's a problem. But even if you are, I don't think the flock camera is really going to do anything. No, they don't care. It's just what is going to happen? You know, but people don't, whatever they're doing, they don't want to be caught. I get it. Or see. Uh-huh. So Garrett Langley tries to defend this. And by the way, the only compelling argument I've heard, the main one is that if we ever have another pandemic, governments could possibly use this to monitor us just like they did during COVID. Now, my general take is like, you know, they have other tools. If they don't have this one, they can use something else to do that. These cell phones follow you ever where you go. Yeah, well, they say the government can't use those. Yeah, right. Now, here's what Garrett Langley said. Really compounding. Last year alone, we helped solve more than a million crimes. And that's from national stories like the Brown shooter to everyday stolen cars. And you look at last month, over 1,000 missing people detected and over 22,000 stolen cars. So it's every day you hear stories of just incredible results. All right. So he's saying thousands. missing people found thousands of times this has been used. You don't, you know, you hear the stories where it's been abused a couple of times here or there, and then you, you don't hear the thousands of times. You know, it's been successful. It's kind of usually how it goes with these things. What's the difference in the government using your cell phone and a flock camera? Honestly. They're eavesdropping on. I mean, and it's not eavesdropping. If you're out in public, well, that's what I'm saying. It's funny. You don't have the right to privacy. When Edward Snowden came out and talked about the NSA was kind of monitoring phone calls, I mean, I was against a lot of that because that's very personal. That is private. That's a private conversation. But we're talking about cameras and public intersections that monitor license plates. Yeah. And, you know, I just, and that's why I'm saying, maybe someone can convince me otherwise, but. I'm a limited government guy. I get it. I'm a small. I don't want the government to abuse. I don't want the government to have too much power. But I see certain things out there. And I'm like, okay, is this a real issue? Or have we just kind of made this?

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into an issue to be an issue. I just... If you don't want the government to know what you're doing, you better get rid of yourself. Get off the grid. Here's more from Garrett Langley. He's the CEO of the company flock. Yeah, well, look, for every one million alerts we send as a business, roughly eight of those are flagged as inaccurate. What the mayor is referring to is the fact that the national database, the NCIC... often has bad information, and that's something that we'd love to fix. Now, on his point of unconstitutionality, over 40 courts have continued to define ALPR cameras as incredibly constitutional. And I think when you talk to victims, it's loud and clear. Everyone wants the same thing, which is to be safe. So I got a bunch of texts coming in on this. One person said this. We have our text monster, 423-267-1023. One person said, what did we do before flock cameras? Who gets the data and what do they do with it? Selling our privacy for a little good. Give them an inch. They're going to take a mile. So that's the argument that it's a slippery slope kind of thing. Now, he actually addressed that. The CEO actually addressed the whole idea of where the data goes. So here's what he said. Is this big brother? No, I mean, look, any level of abuse is simply unacceptable. And sadly, police abuse has existed far beyond and far before a flock. We're the first ones to shine a light on it. We don't sell data. We don't own the data. Every one of our customers, whether it's a business or a community or a city, owns their data. They choose how long it's stored. They choose how long, who it's shared with as well. So it's not Big Brother. What we're focused on is protecting people. Today, it's not fair. It's not right that based on what zip code you live in determines your safety level. We all get clean water. We all get the same electricity. But for some reason, we've chosen not to provide the same level of safety. All right. Now, I know people are going to start quoting Benjamin Netanyahu Franklin and saying you shouldn't give up your liberty for safety. But we're talking, we're talking, we're putting it in public interstate. That's against me. One person said this, Wolverine, our buddy Wolverine said, who gives a, I'm almost afraid to say this. Putt. Say hoot. Well, I mean, he says the word flock, as in flock cameras, but he's trying to turn me up. Yeah. But he said follow the laws. Let's see here. Well, you know, you talk about the information. They're getting the information on stolen vehicles and crimes right off the NCIC computers. And like the man said, if that's not put in there properly, they don't have anything to do with the input of that information. It comes from law enforcement. So you've got to be careful and not put a tag in wrong. One person said this kind of interesting. I actually don't know if it's true, so I'd have to look this up, but said, Those cameras helped them run down the Boston Marathon bombers. I don't know if those were flock cameras at the time. Now, another person said this. They're only making a big deal about flock cameras to get rid of them. And the places that they've gotten rid of them, another company has come in and taken it over. And the company that's taking it over is actually owned or heavily invested in by Trump and his people.

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Wow, that went deep into a conspiracy. This is actually being stoked by Trump so we can make money off of it by selling. Is that? Wow, that is a different one. Another person, though, said there's no way they're not selling the information. I mean, what information do they sell? What makes you think they're going to sell? Thank you. Well, I guess I'm trying to think the information that they're getting in a database is just where certain cars are and have been. I guess you could sell that maybe in the local business. Yeah, I don't. You wouldn't? I mean, who wants to know about somebody's stolen car? Why would they sell information like that? I guess somebody would say they are. I have no. I'm not really sure. I mean, already. Most people have cell phones on, and businesses do so. And that's a big reason we don't trust anybody anymore. These cell phones are something else. Well, they, but they really do track us. I mean, our company uses it. Absolutely they do. Because you'll get an ad. When you're, say you're near a Chili's or something. Yeah. And you've ever been there. You'll get an ad on your phone when you're nearby the Chili's to go to, you know, something like that. Yeah. That kind of stuff. Geofensing. That was the word I'm looking for. Geofensing. That kind of stuff's already done. I don't think it's flat cameras doing that stuff. My phone's laying right here by me, and I guarantee you if I talked about I want a new bicycle, I'll get bicycle ads before I get home. Yeah, maybe we're just, sometimes I just think we focus on the wrong stuff. But I'm not making this controversy up. I'm reacting to it. It's out there. People are, Jen and Jay, I were talking about it this morning. There are tons of people trying to get these things taken down. And I'm thinking, look, we want to add extra checks to it, totally for it. Make sure there are ways it's not abused. Totally fine with that. But when we start just wanting to tear them all down and are reactionary in that way, I don't know. I don't know. If you want to weigh in, you can. 423-267-1023. 4-2-67-102-3. One person said, why don't they let the people vote on whether we want them? I mean, that's coming. I mean, it's just like data centers. I'm sure that's coming. All right. We're going to move on to sports in the next segment. At the top of the hour, we're going to move on to Iran. Much more to get to today on Yafi Live. Stay with us. Start your day with the morning jolt of Drake C. Toll. See, now it's on demand. My podcast is kind of a radio thing, I think, but also it's a bit of a TV show, and it's about whatever I want it to be. It's listening live as it happened, when it happened, with the instant reaction. You're home for talking sports. We go back, the Great Toll Show, Westwood One Sports Network, and there will be on demand on your radio. Anywhere in the country, I'll see you there. Westwood One Sports Talk, your home for Drake C. Toll. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. platform.