Why Does The President Smell Like Coffee?

Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. And now here's Armstrong and Getty. From Studio C. Signor, deep within the bowels of the Armstrong-Ygetty entormation complex. This is the Armstrong and Getty show live. It's Tuesday. August the 11th, the year of our Lord, 2026. Oh, I got to flip over here. This morning we're laboring under the title, A Visa is not a constitutional right. Or, if you prefer, why does the president smell like coffee? That a reference to the... I always said bizarre. It's not bizarre. It's surprising. News that the president, while he was in Turkey... For whatever round of useless talks, probably about Iran, and he was leaving. You remember the official story was he left behind the brand new Qatari Bribe, Air Force One, and was going on the old Air Force One because it had better defensive capabilities. All that was necessary because Iran had made credible threats that they were going to try to shoot Air Force One out of the sky, which ought to be a sign to the president and to everybody how far they're willing to go down the road to Crazy Town. You're going to shoot Air Force One out of the sky? Holy cow. Anyway. So that was the story. He got rid of the new Air Force one. He went back to the old tried and true one. But the truth, and perhaps you've heard this story already, the truth was he got on the old Air Force one on the left side of the plane. You can picture it went upstairs, waved everybody. Hey, I love Turkey. He was great. Can't wait to come back. See you. And then he walked into the plane. Then he walked out the right side of the plane into one of those big catering containers that you see get hoisted up next to a plane to unload the coffee and the snacks and, you know, the nice food for people in first class, whatever. And he huddled on that. I presume they had a chair or something for him. He sat there. And then they took that catering container just over there to that other plane, that military plane. Nobody noticed. And the president flew to Britain. on that one. And there he jumped back on Air Force One. I think the old one, although it doesn't really matter. I think it was the old one to come home again. So the story's getting a lot of attention. And good for the Secret Service. I mean, my gosh, they haven't been accused of over-protecting the president much lately, have they? So that was good. A lot to talk about today. There is so much news today.

that deserves a quick look. We have some big topics, obviously. I'm going to go deep on a couple of different things. We're going to take another look, yet another look at the DSA and the half-wit running in Wisconsin, Ms. Hong, whose primary is today. Today is D-Day for her. So we'll be reporting on that. We've got a couple of great guests to a handful. We'll be talking to Tim Sandifer, Tim the lawyer, about a bunch of stuff, including his book Proclaiming Liberty, which I'm absolutely loving. I've mentioned it 27 times. And I have some specific questions and topics to bring up with him. Going to be talking to David Drucker, famed Washington, D.C. correspondent, about... A number of political topics, including the DSA today. And then during hour three, can't wait to talk to old friend of the Armstrong and Getty show and colleague Jason Rantz, who is one of the best, smartest guys in radio these days. He operates out of the Seattle-Tacoma area on our beloved affiliate there, so can't wait to do that too. So let's begin the show now officially, according to FCC rules and regulations. Here we go at Mark. It was either Chuck Grassley, working in the kitchen, peeling potatoes, or run the vacuum cleaner. So it was more valuable to me than anybody else in the family. The love story of Chuck and Jeff, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Again, love it if we jotted these things down. So you find yourself wondering, what is that old man rambling about? You find me in the kitchen or vacuuming. It's more valuable than anyone else than the family. That was ancient Senator Chuck Grassley. talking about his vacuum cleaner, as Tony DeCopal is about to explain. The love story of Chuck and Beth, where Chuck is Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley and Beth is the family vacuum cleaner. For years, the senator has been posting little snapshots of his beloved Hoover, including the two of them dancing across the living room carpet, with the senator praising his faithful machine, his old reliable. But Beth has been retired after nearly 50 years in service to the Chuck Grassley family. The senator saying, goodbye, Beth, and I will miss you in a note over the weekend. I'm beginning to warm to the idea of age limits on government officials. All right, let's go through this in order. Katie, first of all, and I know you agree with me. Tip of the cap to American-made quality 50 years ago. Oh, for real. I mean, seriously, a 50-year-old vacuum cleaner, you got to tip your cap to that. Secondly, does he not sound like he was in love with his vacuum cleaner? It was a little too affectionate. Maybe I'm just the wrong sort. Go ahead. No, I was just even, you know, named her Beth.

Yeah, he named his vacuum cleaner. What did it do for him, exactly? Oh, no. Other than clean his carpets. I mean, I'm trying to, and seriously, I'm a fairly sentimental person about, not fairly, very, about people. But I got a really good vacuum cleaner and it breaks and I can't use it anymore. My only thought is, I hope I can get a vacuum cleaner that's as effective as this one. Right. I'm not going to post an obituary online. You will see Beth no more, the 92-year-old Mr. Chuck Grassley and the oldest senator wrote on social media Saturday, attaching an image that showed Beth's electrical cord connected connector. I'm scarred by sparks. See, black, that's from electrical sparks. It's not safe to use anymore. Goodbye, Beth. You have been a real workhorse. Your namesake still is hard worker. I will miss you. Wow. It's simple. They love each other. You know what? Thank you, Uncle Joe. He declared it a sad day at the Chuck Grassley household. I bet. Recalled that Beth, Beth had worked dependably for 34 years at his home and for 15 years before that at his mother-in-law's house. I will miss you. R-I-P. Yeah, wow. That is the most affection for a household appliance I've ever heard in my life. Yeah. He began posting about his vacuum cleaner in 2020 when Mr. Chuck Grassley announced the death of a pigeon. Oh, my God, we need age limits. Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

I'm sorry. He announced the death of a pigeon by writing on social media. And he writes like a rapper too. It's worth mentioning that if you, it's just the letter you. If you lost your pet pigeon, misspelled, it's dead in my front yard, my Iowa farm, just discovered, in all caps. That's a good, that's a good post there. Things he finds excitement in. It's just. Two days before Thanksgiving in 2018, Mr. Chuck Grassley wrote on social media, Mrs. G. and daughter Wendy have started big job preparing meal for 30 at Farm Thanksgiving. So my housework contribution begins. This is my machine. Beth, and it was a picture of him vacuuming. And he made a habit of such vacuum-related posts. Faithful, Beth has about three hours of cleaning to get ready for 25 to 30 Chuck Grassley family. He wrote on Christmas and 22. For Thanksgiving 23, he shared a video of Beth roaring across a rug, a video now. Oh. As he pushed it, one of his great-grandchildren showed him where the video button was on his iPhone. Right. Shared a video of Beth roaring across a rug as he pushed the vacuum and shuffled behind it. The same year, Chuck Grassley posted an image of himself and Senator Shelley Moore Capito, Republican to West Virginia, holding a cutout image of Beth. Turns out Senator Capito is a big fan of Beth, he wrote.

You know, I like to think I have a fairly vivid imagination, but this is like something something one of our most gifted satirists would write. Yes. Yes. He's 92 years old, by the way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Josh Turrick, Democratic State Representative in Iowa running for the state's other Senate seat, reached across the aisle Saturday evening on social media. And I quote, Sorry for you lost, Senator. Sounds like Beth had a heck of a run. Oh. Oh, boy. You know, God bless him for giving us something other than politics for a couple minutes. Yeah. Do you think he puts a wig on that vacuum? I wonder. And a dress. Yeah. Dresses it up. What would you like for dinner, Beth? She has a seat at the table. I know you love spaghetti. Spaghetti, Matt. Come over here. Oh, boy. I hate to bring everybody down, but that's what I do. We had a Joe Biden comment there. According to his. reformed crackhead, homeonger, gun, totin, art-sling son, Hunter, I'm sorry, influence pedlin, although with the Trump family office right now, the fund's been taken out of that one. Anyway, he says that the cancer's gone everywhere for old Joe and the treatment's really rough on him. And so, yeah, I think, you know, look. It's awful politician, awful president, in the five worst in American history and that's saying something. But, you know, he's somebody's dad and granddad. Yeah. It's terrible. So anyway. Mr. former president, I hope your treatments go well and are not too uncomfortable. And I hope there's a miracle at the end of the line. Anyway, thanks for not running a second time. You're terrible. All right. We have Katie's headlines coming up in a moment or two. And then. Right after that, we'll talk to the fabulous Tim Sandifer of the Goldwater Foundation. Can't wait. Stay with us. Armstrong and Getty.

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Oh, you know, I will look into the details. I am not committing to bringing them to you good people yet. I just, good Lord. What a fruitcake she is and a simpleton and a dope. And so are the people who attended the dinner. From MarketWatch, the size of the American workforce has fallen by over one million people in just the last year. Yeah. Combination of men sitting out to be lazy scum and also, well, also, you know, giant dislocating changes in a lot of industries, but booting a lot of illegals out. Yeah. Most of them, a lot of them were here to work. A lot of them not, but yeah. From the New York Post. The United Sprites, the United States breaks a 132 year record for hottest month ever in July. Yeah, I, maybe. I'm never sure whether they trust that data because the climate cult has manipulated it so consistently through the years. I believe the world is getting warmer, the earth. I mean, there's evidence everywhere. But what do you do about it is the question? Are you going to cripple your economy like Britain has for generations and bring ruin? Just for a meaningless gesture? No. Sell your park and buy some shorts. And keep working on the green energy stuff. It's not ready yet. And finally, from the Babylon B. Inspired by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, James Talarico also elects to have his eggs frozen. Ah! he's a guile he's certainly a limp-risted little fancy pants not that there's anything wrong with that i mean god bless you i don't dislike or hate anybody i would never pick on anybody but he is a phony and a his whole demeanor doesn't exactly scream texas not even not an ounce of it No, it screams like the bluer parts of Austin, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Here's my favorite headline of the day. I can't stop thinking about it. High school football player practiced for an hour with a venomous snake in his helmet until the coaches discovered it. It had wriggled up inside the padding of his helmet. It was a water moccasin, I think, or some sort of a cotton. Oh, it was a cotton mouth. Good Lord. What the hell? Oh, boy. Well, totally different topic. Tim Sandifer on the Declaration of Independence coming up. It's great stuff. Armstrong. Start your day with the morning jolt of Drake C. Toll. See, now it's on demand. My podcast is kind of a radio thing, I think, but also it's a bit of a TV show, and it's about whatever I want it to be. It's listening live as it happened, when it happened, with the instant reaction. You're home for talking sports. We go back, the Drake Toll Show, Westwood One Sports Network, and there will be on demand on your radio. Anywhere in the country, I'll see you.

there. Westwood One Sports Talk. Your home for Drake C. Toll. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. The Armstrong and Getty Show. So much on their plate. So much good stuff to talk about. We won't get to it all as always. But we're going to do our best. Hope you can hang around. This is always a fun. When Tim Sandifer joins us, Tim is the Vice President for Legal Affairs at the Goldwater Institute, the author of a number of fabulous books, including notably the Permission Society, which... was inspired by conversations on the Armstrong and Getty show. It says it right there in the book. Mostly this show inspires eye rolls, but indeed it inspired a terrific book. But Tim's latest book, which I have been absolutely loving, I've mentioned it 30 times, is proclaiming liberty. John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and the Declaration of Independence. Tim joins us now. Mr. Sandifer, how are you, sir? Oh, it's a little chaotic right now, actually. We're having the closet renovated, and so every stitch of clothing that I own is in a giant pile in the middle of my office, and I'm sitting on top of it right now to talk to you. Oh, wow, fabulous. I'm hoping it's good for the acoustics because it absorbs sound waves, you know. It should be. Actually, yeah, Judy and I just did a never-ending remodel, and it's absolutely chaotic, but it reminds you of how adaptable human beings are. Speaking of which, so I have sincerely been loving proclaiming liberty. I look so forward to reading it every time I get a chance. It, yeah. And you can describe it better than me, but it describes the period leading up to the Declaration of Independence and why all those gripes are in the list. Thomas Jefferson and the committee wrote. And it goes into a fair amount of detail. And I've been thinking about how to express this best. Even those of us who got a decent grounding in why the colonists broke free of England got it with a very broad brush. Yeah. And never mind the kids these days that get taught the polar opposite of the truth, the bizarre 1619 notion that the revolution was to preserve slavery. But I've got to admit that even, and I felt I had a pretty good foundation in this, I'd missed some absolutely fundamental. twists of history that led to the revolution. For instance, the concept of parliamentary supremacy and what an enormous issue that was leading up. Can you help people understand what that issue was? Well, you and me both, because I was in the same situation. I learned a ton working on this book, and one of them was this issue. So the dispute between

between London and the American colonies was primarily over the power of parliament, not the king, for most of the 12 years that led up to the Declaration of Independence. And this is actually the book that I recommend on this for those who really want to get deeper into it is a four-volume history of the legal... disputes at the heart of the revolution by a guy named John Philip Reed, who is a hero of mine. I don't know how anybody could have done the kind of scholarship he did in the days before the internet. It's amazing. But... the dispute was really over whether Parliament had authority to govern the American colonies at all. The Americans said, no. They said, we owe allegiance to the king. He's the executive branch of our government. But when it comes to the legislative branch, our laws are made at our local legislatures. That is, you know, the Virginia House of Burgesses or the Massachusetts House of Representatives or what have you. And Parliament has no power over us. And one reason they said that was because the colonial charters that allowed the American colonies to start. had been issued by the king, right? That's why Virginia is named after Queen Elizabeth and why James Town is named after King James, because these places were created on the kings say so. And so then here comes Parliament saying in the 1760s, they say, hey, it turns out that after 150 years, we actually are the ones who govern you and not the king. And it's worth mentioning, Tim, I think that for the entirety of this time, the local legislatures had been passing the laws. They had been passing the taxes. They'd even been paying the King's officials, the British officials who came over because, look, we're self-governing. We'll take on your officials. They'll help run the place. You're the executive branch. But we make all the fiscal decisions. And that had been the reality. Yeah. And when Parliament wanted money from the Americans, they would send a request. to the local legislature and say, would you please adopt the tax and send us what you can afford? And London had even refunded money to the Americans for providing too much that they couldn't afford. So by the 1760s, the Americans were accustomed to a century and a half of this of being given that kind, their autonomy was being respected. And then all of a sudden, Parliament announces in 1764 with the Sugar Act, and then a year later in 1765, it passes the Stamp Act. And in those two laws, Parliament says, ah, it turns out, actually, Parliament has supreme, absolute power over the entire empire. We can even change the Constitution if we want to. The king is subordinate to us. We control everything. And there are no human rights except as we say there are. That's right. All the traditional rights of Englishmen exist only at our whim and we could repeal them if we wanted to. And in fact, there was one legal writer at the time who said, there is no such thing as an unconstitutional law because if Parliament passes it, that automatically makes it constitutional. And the Americans are horrified by this. Now, the reason the British do it, it's not because they're crazy. The reason they do it, they have good reasons. And that is, in Britain, the fear had always been that the king was too powerful.

The civil wars that they had had there had all been because the king was this independent entity separate from Parliament, and that had been the fight. And Parliament had won that battle, and Parliament saw itself as protecting people against the king. Right. And so now here come the American colonies and they're saying, well, it turns out we don't owe allegiance to Parliament. We owe our allegiance only to the king. Well, that's really scary back in London because they say that's just why we fought the civil wars, right? So you have these two totally incompatible notions of the British Constitution, the unwritten British Constitution that the Americans think. that there's these principles of constitutionality that restrain the parliament. And on the other hand, you have parliament saying, no, we have absolute supreme authority. And those two incompatible ideas of the constitution, they're as incompatible as the pro and anti-slavery views of the U.S. constitution a century later. And so inevitably, they're going to come into conflict, which finally, after a dozen years of argument and negotiation, the Americans give up and say, fine, we're just our own country. We're not going to deal with you anymore. Right. And I think it's worth noting that instead of like we did in 1789 sitting down and writing a constitution, Parliament just said the Constitution's anything we say it is and it can change at any moment. We'll let you know. That would have been if they'd gone with the, you know, let's write a constitution, that would have been a nice middle ground. I was also so interested and angered. By your description of, forgive me if I get some of the terminology wrong, but the Admiralty courts in the various ways that Parliament sought to enforce its will and how horrifically unfair all of that was to all of the defendants in these matters. Oh, I'm so glad that you're angry and outraged because I was hoping to write the book. I had to grab my musket, man. I'm not kidding. Yeah. That's what I wanted to convey because I've seen so many times I've had to hear people say, well, it was just a little fight over a three-penny tax on tea. What was the big deal? The Americans complained and said that they were being oppressed and they weren't really and all this sort of stuff. Yes, they absolutely were. British colonial rule, absolutely it was oppressive. Absolutely King George was a tyrant. It wasn't just him. He was going along with Parliament, and that's why he was a tyrant. So, of course, it was outrageous. It was much more than the tax on the T. The Admiralty courts you're talking about, this is how Parliament was enforcing its restrictions on American trade, not just taxes, but prohibitions on people doing business in order to enrich people back in London by eliminating economic competition. And some of these things were crazy, like the Hat Act that made it illegal for an American to make hats. out of furs, trapped on their own land. You had to send the fur to London to be made into a hat instead and then sent back to you. That's just crazy. And to enforce these... And you couldn't send the fur anywhere else either. It had to be London. That's right. Yeah. And if you did send your goods to any other country, they had to go through England so that your ship would be essentially double taxed in England on its route to your ultimate destination. So to enforce these, the parliament creates these admiralty courts.

And the admiralty courts, they're called that because they originated with the Navy. That's what they were originally designed for. But now Parliament expands them to control everything, basically. And in an admiralty court, you have no right to a jury. You are not presumed innocent. You have to prove your innocence. You have no right to counsel. You have all these restrictions on the so-called traditional rights of Englishmen, right? And the punishment is forfeiture. Right? So the parliament will come in and prosecute you. You have to prove your innocence. And if you fail to do that, they're going to take your stuff and sell it and profit themselves off of it. And even if you do in your case, you still cannot recover damages for being wrongly accused if the judge thinks that, well, there was probable cause to think that you were guilty. Now, if all of this sounds... Familiar to you, that's because we are doing the same thing today through civil asset forfeiture laws every day in this country, presuming people guilty, seizing their assets, putting them through trials with no jury, where they have no presumption of innocence, stealing their property, and allowing the government to sell it and profit from it. It's going on every day in this country, and it is outrageous that we are committing the same wrongs today that our ancestors thought was worth overthrowing British rule for. Yeah, it's absolutely unholy. That's a topic for another day. But the final thing I want to say about the awful system of injustice that we're describing is often the trials would be held hundreds of miles away from where the infraction allegedly incurred or even worse. across the ocean in England. And if I had any witnesses, I had to bring them across the ocean, take weeks at my own expense, and then even in the best of circumstances, I'm financially ruined. I mean, a nice system of justice. And that's assuming that you survive this, right? Because, you know, going on a ship across the Atlantic Ocean and back is not just time consuming, but extremely dangerous. You could be shipwrecked. You could catch tuberculosis or any number of diseases. I mean, it's crazy. And one of the so-called intolerable acts that Parliament passes... just before independence is the americans call it the murder act this is a law that says that if a british customs official kills an american while enforcing his duties he can't be tried in american courts he has to be tried in london instead which means that the accused or i mean the the victim rather uh the survivors and all the witnesses have to go to london and of course you're going to be tried in front of a biased british jury anyway so it's really a system that is very much loaded dice against the americans And it's all to profit a small handful of people who run parliament. Tim, can you hang on to do one more segment? All right, fabulous. Tim Sandifer, Vice President for Legal Affairs at the Goldwater Institute. We're going to talk a little bit about the founders and slavery. Always a great topic because people have such a twisted view of that reality. Quick word from our friends and sponsors that simply save home security. Most home security systems, if an intruder approaches your house, they just sit there.

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The U.S. Soccer Podcast. These players are battered and exhausted, but you don't hurt like this if you don't care about this team, about this country, about this game. You can feel the intensity, the goals, the energy that, wow, look at us. Here in the U.S., I have got some news for you. There's so much more to come. My name is Megan Klingberg, and we're just getting started. The U.S. Soccer Podcast, presented by Henkel. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. The Armstrong and Getty Show. Welcome. How you doing? Glad you're here. Tim, the lawyer, Sandifer, the vice president for legal affairs at the Goldwater Institute is with us. We're talking about his fabulous book, Proclaiming Liberty, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and the Declaration of Independence. Tim, thanks for hanging around. Yeah, no problem. So I think you talked to Jack about this while I was on vacation, but it's absolutely worth touching on, again, at least briefly. The question of the founding fathers and, I mean, maybe most particularly Thomas Jefferson and slavery, and the notion being pushed in... virtually all of our government schools these days, I think, that the founding fathers were hypocrites and just pretended that all men are created equal didn't conflict with slavery and just kind of shuffled their feet and pretended that conflict wasn't there. How untrue is that characterization? Oh, is utterly insane. The idea that the American founding fathers did not believe that all men are created equal really meant all men. That's a lie. And the only piece of evidence that has ever been brought forward for this is the fact that the American founders did not eliminate slavery immediately in July of 1776. But there's all sorts of reasons to explain why that happened. And, you know, for one thing, they had no idea and no power to do that. They had no idea how to accomplish it and no power to do it. If the American Continental Congress had tried to abolish slavery on July 4th, 1776, it would have failed to do so. It would all would have accomplished would it be to destroy the Continental Congress. It would not have eliminated slavery. But that's the only piece of evidence that has ever been brought forward to show that the American founding fathers did not believe all men to mean all men. Now, that's a separate question from whether they were hypocrites. If they were, the question of whether they were hypocrites for not eliminating slavery, that is, I think, a little bit more complicated. Or not trying harder. Yeah, but I think we need to begin by asking ourselves what we would do in a situation like that. And one way to do that is to imagine that there were some enormous evil in the world today and how we would deal with that evil. There are a lot of people who think that the consumption of animal meat is a horrifying evil, that animals have rights and that eating meat is a cruel and inhumane and disgusting practice. They live in a world where just about everybody's eating meat. So what should they do about that? Now, there are some people who go full vegan about that. And, you know, that's fine if that's their choice. But for the most part, I think what most people do is, yeah, they feel bad about, you know, things like factory farming or the mistreatment of animals or something like that. But they go ahead and they eat meat and they use leather and they just live in a world where that's the case. Are they hypocrites for that? Well, I guess maybe. It depends on what your standards are.

But I think if you're living in a world with a colossal evil all around you and you failed to like end it overnight, I don't know if that really makes you a hypocrite. I think it just means that you live in a complicated world with a lot of political barriers to accomplishing justice. And there were a lot of political barriers to accomplishing justice in 1776. All the states had, well, almost all the states had slavery to some extent. But they were being, slavery was being abolished. There was a movement on foot to eliminate slavery. And the states were getting rid of slavery. And it was all going in one direction at that time. And the American founding fathers were very candid about how evil slavery was. Jefferson says, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and his justice cannot sleep forever. no part of a just God that can side with whites in a fight between blacks and whites. I mean, that's amazingly candid. He's publishing this in a book. I don't know of any similar example of a revolutionary movement where the founders say, we believe in X and we recognize that our entire economy is basically based on the opposite of X and we... pledge ourselves to getting rid of X, but we just don't know how to do it right now. I mean, that's amazing. And to ignore that progress, I think just requires ideological blindness and dishonesty. Yeah, Tim, I know you're a moral man, not a religious one, but whether your morals come from the Bible or elsewhere, I think virtually every philosophy that's ever taken hold recognizes that If you go, say, several hundred years down the road of the wrong thing, untangling it's going to be a bitch. Yeah, right. And you're talking about a world where it had never been done before. There was no precedent for a society eliminating slavery without starting a race war. Every time that it had been tried, it ended up killing lots and lots of people. So now we're going to not only abolish slavery, but live in a multiracial democracy for which there was no precedent at all. It's not surprising that this was unimaginable. to people like Jefferson and Adams who were reading this history and saying, well, anytime people tried to abolish slavery in the past, it's led to race war. So how are we going to avoid that? I mean, of course it was a new idea to them. Of course they failed to just snap their fingers and end slavery overnight. Nobody could have done that. Right. Excellent point. We've barely got a minute left, Tim. What when you were writing the book did you hope the main takeaway would be for folks reading it? I wanted people mostly to take away the idea that the revolution was fought for just reasons. The Americans were right to do what they did. The principles that all men are created equal with an alienable rights are true. And the political causes of the revolution were legitimate. What Britton was doing to the American colonies really was wrong and really was oppressive. And Americans should be proud of that history and should cherish it. And understanding it is the first step toward cherishing it. Not just a bunch of flag-waving. pronouncements every July 4th, but really understanding why we fought the revolution and why the dream of the Declaration deserves to survive and prevail in today's world. Tim Sandifer, the Goldwater Institute. The book is Proclaiming Liberty, John Adams, Tom, Ms. Jefferson, the Declaration of Independence, and I love it. Tim, great to talk to you, as always. Let's stay in touch. Absolutely, thanks.

All right. Thank you, Amigo. Excellent. All sorts of stuff. We're going to squeeze in some mailbag next hour and just, and there's 20 stories I want to just bingo bango bongo. So it's going to be action-packed. Buckle your seatbelt. Stay with us. Armstrong and Getty. The U.S. Soccer Podcast. These players are battered and exhausted, but you don't hurt like this if you don't care about this team, about this country, about this game. You can feel the intensity, the goals, the energy that, wow, look at us. Here in the U.S., I have got some news for you. There's so much more to come. My name is Megan Klingberg, and we're just getting started. The U.S. Soccer Podcast, presented by Henkel. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. I'm.