Utah vs. Kalshi, Reddit’s Burning Questions, 999 Bike Ride Convo

Today on CityCast Salt Lake, should Utah be fighting with Kalshi? The state seeks to take on the prediction market craze. Plus, we help some Redditors solve local problems and offer shoutouts. I'm host, Allie Viya, I'm here with our audience development manager, Angie Treasure. Hello, hello. And Citicast Salt Lake contributor, Kate Gretzinger. Hi there. Kate, we're going to make you sit patiently while Angie and I talk to listeners quickly about our membership program because we are doing what some call a closet clean out. Huge for us and for you, dear listener. If you're not already in our membership program, we call it Citigast Salt Lake Neighbors, because we think neighbors make Salt Lake great. We think this show makes Salt Lake great. We'll be real. Yes, we do. And we think it's worth supporting at $10 a month or $100 a year if you want it to be around for a long time. So. We've over the years done membership campaigns and ended up with a little bit of extra swag. Some extra thank you gifts meant for new neighbors. And we're doing a closet cleanout. So if you are mad that you miss out on the official CityCast Salt Lake Oxford pennant that we designed with them that says, I live here on purpose and has the whale, now's your chance. If you want a CityCast Salt Lake neighbor's mug, now's your chance. A beautiful CityCast Salt Lake tote bag, it says Citi. CityCast Salt Lake on it so you can find other listeners in the wild. All of these are available to you. You can pick the gift of your choice if you join our membership program today. Here is the place to do it. membership.com.com. FM. Angie, why would you join if you weren't on the payroll? Why would you pay us if we weren't paying you? You know, the merch itself is so adorable. We had a little setup at 801 day and it enticed several people to to join and be neighbors just to get the merch. We had a husband and wife duo who came and said, well, I'm a neighbor, but I want to get my wife some of this merch. So he signed up so that she could get, I think he chose the mug, which is like a really nice weight. It's kind of that coffee house size. Yeah. And in addition to that, just support the work that we do. But like you said, it's $10 a month. It's about a coffee and a half if you regularly go and pick up your latte. And. $100 a year, which will save you about two months payments. So. The pennant, again, there's three great options. You might have to set up dummy emails and sign it for all three. The pennant is so fun. I think that's going to be a hot commodity. I'll be surprised if that one doesn't go first. Yeah, so sign up, become a neighbor. If you have been a longtime listener and you just haven't made the jump, you're going to really like the ad-free listening. You're going to like being able to give membership shoutouts. And it really helps us do this day to day. Yeah.

I mean, maybe you started listening yesterday and you're like, damn, this show is good. I want to keep listening for the rest of my life. Well, the surest way to make sure that happens is to become a citycast, Salt Lake neighbor. And I will be so truthful. We have this program because we rely on it. This is how we fund our show. This is how we make sure that we can make this show. Making a good show, fact checking. All of those pieces, they're expensive. They take time. And so this membership program is critical for us. And we actually have a goal for our closet clean out. We would like 50 new members and we're halfway. So if there are 25 of you listening right now who like this show, want it to be around for a long time, are interested in a cool thank you gift. I'm talking to you. membership.citycast.fm. And thank you. If you can't afford to do that right now, we get it. If you can, we appreciate it. All right, Kate, we're bringing you back in. Hello, still here. You can stop sitting on your hands. Let's talk about sports betting or not sports betting, whatever Kalshi is up to, which I'm still trying to figure out. Yeah, same. The news this week is that I thought this was really interesting because when you see that a federal judge has sided with the state of Utah on a lawsuit, you would think the state of Utah filed the lawsuit. No, Kalshi. filed a lawsuit because they heard through the grapevine that Utah officials were planning to take some sort of enforcement action against them and the prediction market craze sort of in general. And so they preempted the state by filing a lawsuit saying, you can't do that. You can't intervene in what people are doing over here on Calci. And a federal judge sided with the state of Utah and said, yes, they can. They actually can. So now what we've got is state leaders feeling very hyped up and very poised to. I would say regulate, maybe, intervene. I don't know that we would ever hear Utah state leaders proudly use the word regulate. But they want to figure out how to do something related to sports setting. They're going to protect Utah families, Allie. That's right. That's right. Angie, you worked for the Utah Jazz. You've worked in sports for a long time. Can you explain to me how Kalshi is not gambling? No. Okay. Listen. What do you think? No. I understand prediction market is the phrase they use. So it's not directly betting. You're kind of betting against other...

people versus a line like you wouldn't support betting, right? So it's a little confusing to me as someone who sometimes is just like, I'm just a girl when it comes to data and money stuff, which is not very cute to say. But even to the fact that. Cali has an NBA player as one of their shareholders. Janice Ticompo of the now the Miami Heat, formerly of the Milwaukee Bucks, is a representative for Cali. So they've differentiated enough at this point that like even a league like the NBA feels comfortable with one of their former MVP's saying you should use this prediction market. Now the NBA itself is heavily in bed with a lot of these sports. betting markets as a league, which has gotten really sticky. They've had members within the last six months. They had a coach who got in trouble with gambling tied to fixing games. So it's getting really sticky. Cali seems to be, and these prediction markets are, you know, tangential and a little different than just, especially a player saying, what if I get more rebounds than usual and you win a bunch of money? But. It's uncomfortable for a sports fan to see all of this prediction market embedding stuff embedded in the game at the same time. Well, and it's not limited to sports. Like we even saw what is it? The Associated Press developed a partnership with was it Calci or Polymarket to like get them election results first and quickest? I don't know. I mean. The data on this is crazy, right? We know that like less than 10% of all adults are actively trading on these prediction markets. But when you look at like young men under 35, you're jumping up into the 20s or 30%. What do you think about this, Kate? You think Utah should intervene? Honestly, I'm very confused. I'm trying to figure out how this is different than the stock market, which... you know, also seems like betting. So I'm really struggling to see sort of where the lines are. And actually, interestingly enough, that is the sort of argument Calci used in its lawsuit was that it is federally, it's governed by federal laws just like the stock market and therefore should not be subject to state laws essentially. However, I guess it does seem a little bit more speculative than the stock market. However, I mean, I think you could argue that either way. I don't know. The Big Short. Yeah, right. I mean, like, I read a great piece based on the SpaceX IPO that was basically arguing that the stock market is a betting market now. You're betting against other users of the market. You're not betting on a company, which is exactly what Cal She is. So I think that if we want to get philosophical, I think they're really basically the same. So Spencer Cox should go ahead and ban the stock market in Utah as well. Obviously, they're not going to do that. Right. And yeah, mostly the thing that rubs me the wrong way about all this is the same thing that rubs me away the wrong way about the porn age verification. It's Utah moralizing, Utah saying, hey, we think this is bad and we are going to, you know, protect you from your baser instincts. And I think that it's just sort of like the main thing that people ask me when I tell them I live in Utah, like,

Oh, like, is it weird because of the Mormons or whatever? And my answer for the most part is no. It's pretty much like living anywhere else. But if they start, you know, doing more of this, like that does make it sort of more. I mean, they're taking away our rights based on their beliefs. on of what is right. And I think that that rubs me the wrong way, although I have no plans to ever use Kalshi. Right. I mean, I remember one time, okay, I was watching Wimbledon a couple years ago. I texted a friend who lives in Portland and said, can you put $50 on Carlos Alcaraz for me? Yes. This is the Al-Gras Cynic final. And now, I mean, I've, just to say, I'm like more of a Yonix center fan these days, but I was like, I think Al-Cherz wins this. He did. And so I, you know, I made like $10 or something. And I will say it was a joyless activity. Like I didn't make watching the game any more fun. I actually think one of the things that I really enjoy about watching sports that I've learned from people in my life who really love it, who have frankly, like, taught me how to love it over a past maybe decade is like, is sort of... Thinking about the joy of the game holistically and not at a certain point not who wins, right? It's like when you're watching two teams in a basketball game and you want the game to be close because you want a good game, right? And so like sometimes I'll even change my position on who I want to win or who I want to score for like the better fan experience. And as soon as I was like betting on this Wimbledon final, that went away. And it was just overall. Not as fun. That said, I was sitting next to a young person, probably like in their teens, watching the World Cup final at a friend's house. He was absolutely betting like goal to goal and making money right next to me. And I was, there was this part of me that was like, How have you cracked this? And like, why can't I? Like the Get Rich Quicks sort of like instinct, especially in this country, I think is a little bit irresistible. Right? And he was like, he said to me, he was like, I can't believe how easy this is for me. There is a lag on our TV. And so when there's a goal, I'm able to like see that it's been counted and then watch it myself. And I bet on whether or not it's out of off sides. And I was like, spooky. Duh. Yeah. Well, and what you're saying, I know McKay Coppins came out with a long-form piece a while ago about gambling away. a bunch of money that he was given by the Atlantic to see what it was like to bet on games. And he's a pretty casual sports fan. He has some teams. And by the end of it, he's really like, I don't enjoy watching it. I'm obsessed with random things that I should never care about. My wife noticed I'm distracted. I mean, we have data that domestic violence goes up in states that have legalized sports betting. It's one of those things that I...

Like, I really have no, no desire for me to, like, bet on random games. I, the only interest I have, I told Allie, I would love to go to Wyoming Downs, at least. Well, and that's a hoot. Yeah. Yeah, well, we did that. We did that. It's all funning games into a horse breaks its leg and gets shot on the track. But that also brings up something interesting because I remember a couple years ago around the Kentucky Derby, I did a little bit of research for this show into horse racing in Utah. And basically, there is a small subset of legislators who wanted to make betting on horse races specifically legal. Because they said, well, it's about the talent of the jockey. It's not about the luck of the win. Like when you pull the lever, which you don't pull the lever anymore, but whatever, at the casino. And one of the things that we said when we like sort of read that testimony from a sitting legislator was, well, wait a minute, this is opening the door to sports betting. Yes. Like. Yeah. And it's about way more than luck. That's not about luck. Yeah. On the on this is just I can't not. mentioned this on the betting sheets at Wyoming Downs, they say which stimulants the horses are on because they're all drugged. Yeah. It's literally so crazy. And like if we're going to make anything illegal, I actually think we should start with that because there's a victim. There's a, there's a victim of that crime, which is the horse. Whereas like the victim of a sports betting crime is the sports better. Sorry, you did it to yourself. If you lost a bunch of money. That's your fault. People have been going to Vegas and losing their entire fortune for, you know, decades. It's not new. But at the same time, like this being in your pocket and to Ali's experience, you know, young boys being able to just place bet after bet or prediction after prediction as it regards to Kalshi and make a bunch of money, that's a different thing than driving to Wendover or taking the fun bus. Like, well, I raised you, me having Poshmark in my pocket placing. offers on a hundred things and no one spitzer cox doesn't care about me at all yeah Spencer Cox ban posh mark okay can i throw one more thing in here yeah if we want to regulate kalshi why don't we make betting on whether a wildfire will start or not illegal. Why don't we start there? Why don't we like regulate the things people can bet on that would encourage people to commit arson or other crimes? Like I think that they're way bigger fish to fry other than just like making it. Like people are going to find ways to use Kalshi regardless. People are still watching porn in Utah. People are still going to use Kalshi. Like it's this weird moralizing grandstanding bullshit from our governor that, you know, it's not new. But like there are real problems with Kalshi that could be dealt with. But they're not focused on that. I mean, they had a prediction market, a soldier who placed a bet on.

whether Maduro was going to get arrested and won $400,000. So again, this has gotten to a dystopian level of what are we predicting and making money off of? I would just say to the point about it. who the victims are of this, I do think to an extent the victims in the sports betting craze are a little bit the athletes. Because we have seen, for example, again, I keep bringing up tennis. But I think tennis is such an interesting place to talk about athlete mental health because you're really alone out there. And there are like very few sports where you're truly alone out there. Even a golfer has a caddy. And the pressure that... athletes talk about mounting because of sports betting, because they're stopped on the street by someone who lost their life savings because you didn't make the free kick or whatever, right? I do think there is like becoming a personal safety element to it for them. And they're starting to bring it up as like the mental health experience of being an athlete is getting out of control because people are on the sidelines screaming at you like their life depends on it and it just might. people are DMing them. I mean, I've seen, I've been on this receiving end of DMs as a team and I know individual players for not getting, you know, over 18 points or people are spending a lot of money. And to your point, Ali, like, I really, I hope it doesn't happen, but I think we're going to have a personal safety issue that will force at least the league's hand in some way in some of these. And Utah fans in particular, not known for being nice. But I do, like, Kate, there is something that you're getting at here that I really align with, which is any good therapist will tell you that addiction is never about the substance. And like, when we look at this. at gambling as this like opportunity to make money quickly, to get rich quick when all of the other ways of making money or building wealth just like sort of fail us time and time again. I do think like the economic nihilism that we're all in that causes, for example, young men to feel like this is their one chance is to like bet on this game is a policy failure. And I would love to see the governor talking about all of the other. ways that the state contributes to economic nihilism. Like, you want people to not feel like their only chance at building wealth is... placing a lucky bet on a foreign dictator getting arrested. Like, how about raising the minimum wage? How about child care? How about health care? How about, I mean, like, you want to talk about things that are pledging people into debt. The number one thing in this country is an injury. It's a health care crisis, right? Like, spend a little bit of time on with some of these, like, cross tabs. Yeah.

That's like good policymaking and good leadership. And of course, they don't really want to do that because at the end of the day, there is like a moral superiority that I think makes this interesting to them. But like calling out Delta for price fixing, that would be sexy. Audience Development Manager Angie Treasure, CityCast Salt Lake contributor Kate Gretzinger. Our producer, Emily Means, pulled a couple questions from Reddit that she thought we might have fun answering. She calls us a Reddit grab bag. I'm going to start with one that is so delightful. From the Salt Lake City upreddit. McChesey says that they are looking for the steepest hill in town. They're test driving a car soon and want to see how it does going uphill. What a great question. What a great and specific question. But also, I want to meet this person. Like. The personality that makes you go looking for the steepest hill to test drive like a sonata is unique. And I need to know more about you. Do we think it's manual? Do you think they want to make sure they can like get up in a stick shift? That's when I had my most traumatic driving a stick shift moment was like a baby hill. So maybe they're just making sure their skills are in place. But it's a great question. That's a good point. Yeah, preparing for winter. 10 points to read it because. Axios actually asked this question to the city last year, so they got the definitive list. And it's Zane Avenue. Where is that? Oh, and this is Salt Lake City proper. Okay. Where is Zane Avenue? I believe it's in the Capitol Hill neighborhood. 75 feet elevation gained in 372 feet of distance. Steepest single block we could find. Wow. Which I used to live on Capitol Hill. I lived Kitty Corner to the Capitol in those apartment buildings. And our parking garage left on 3rd North going down to like Maine and Vine. And there were days in the winter where I was just like, I'm not, I'm working from home today. I mostly was working from home because it was during COVID, but it was like, I will not be exiting this. I don't trust the steepness of these hills, but they're no joke. No joke. They're not. I think you can just, once they have to start putting those little lines in the cement, you know it's steep. You know what I'm talking about where they make little hash marks in the cement so you don't like slide backwards. Harrison Avenue is a good one, too, that they have, I think, is the third most. So this is 350 feet west of 13th East where the slope, the slope goes really steep. Someone in Axios wrote, raise your hand if your parents made you learn to drive a stick here to our conversation about manual. So good. Yeah, I mean, the thing we're lucky for, I think, in Salt Lake City in particular is we don't get a ton of ice.

Like our winters are not icy. But when I've lived in icier places, I have been like stuck on a steep hill throwing kitty litter under my tires, like trying to get myself out of a situation. But I feel like here it really is more for joy riding, the steep or, you know, the daredevil skateboarders. I like. I don't know. But I used to know people who would take the tracks up to the U and then jump on a skateboard or jump on their bike and fly down that hill. Long borders for sure. A source of joy. I don't have that bone in my body. I just see myself wobbling and falling. So I'm just like, gently. Probably by virtue of that still have all of the bones in your body intact. Never broken a bone, knock on wood. That was back when our thrills were physical and not prediction market based. Let's get back to the old ways. Okay. Here's another Reddit question. So this feels right for all of us. Somebody is looking for a recommendation for a gynecologist or a women's health doc. This is very, I don't know, like maybe they're new in town. And they don't know yet that they've moved to a state that is in an OBGYN shortage. And actually, according to reporting from Utah business, we're going to be 200 doctors short by 2030. So now is the time to get on somebody's roster. Is there anywhere that either of you have had luck? I mean, the last time I made an OBGYN appointment, it took me nine months to get in. Oh, gosh. Which was a depressing thing in and of itself. But I... You know, I do love that people go to Reddit for these kinds of questions. I think people do answer in solid faith and really want to help. And this particular Reditor said she has PCOS and PMOS. So it has some additional factors going in. Looks like they got some good recommendations. I mean, nice thing about Utah. Again, my husband has had two surgeries in the last month, one in his brain and one to remove his gallbladder. And like, you just encounter a lot of. capable, wonderful health care professionals. I agree. Yeah. And I think people give a lot of recommendations for the U. I think University Utah is kind of one of the bastions of health care here in the city. And I think people have a lot of great options. I always feel very seen when I see a midwife at University of Utah Women's Health. Yeah. And I've seen so many because when you're trying to get in, you're just like, I don't care. Yeah. If there's a. If there's a certificate in a frame on the wall, I'll see them. And the other thing about that makes this so frustrating, too, is that at the U, you can't book an appointment one year out. So when you leave your like annual, you can't say let's book next year. Yeah. You can only book within a certain number of months. Should be like a hair appointment where you get points for booking again, you know? Yeah, let's do it now. Let's book it right now. Yeah. I don't have this problem at the dentist office. I want to get points on my chart. Okay, I have two recommendations. When I need care quickly, I go to Planned Parenthood. You can usually get in same week, like if not same day. And their providers are generally fantastic, I've found. And then for the one thing that you might run into a Planned Parenthood is their selection of like IUDs as kind of small. And then if you want a larger selection of birth control options, including IUDs,

I found the Foothill Family Clinic was great. That's the first time they ever gave me local anesthetic before inserting an IUD. So shout out to them for introducing me to that novel concept of not being in mortal pain. Yeah. Well, and Planned Parenthood, again, I know it's a little different, but has expanded their care to cover paraminopause and menopause. So for people who are listening, who are dealing with that stage of life, just know that Planned Parenthood is also providing there. There's a Planned Parenthood in California where you can even get Botox, which is kind of genius. How long until Utah does that? That's the moneymaker right there. Until how long Planned Parenthood, Utah gets Botop. Yeah, that's a good Calci bet. Okay. I'm going to do, let's do one last Reddit question before we move on. Quick hit. Best Salt Lake City breakfast sandwich, I guess since Frankie and Essel's closed, if we're being rare. RIP. What do you think? Central 9th. I mean, hard to beat. You want the facotch. You want the facotch. I want the crispy faccacha. I want my fingers to be covered in oil. It's hard. It's hard to beat for me. Meats. You want meats. I'm not what about you, Kay? Meats by 11 a.m. You can't eat gluten. So I can't eat red, but I will say I may. I make mine at home because I can't eat bread. And I do them with the Trader Joe's McDonald's dup hash browns, the little oval hash browns. Yeah, I just cook two of those up, really crispy. And then I use that as the bread. And I throw a little arucola in there. And yeah, highly recommend it. Make it at home. Love it. I'm going to shout out Kuchina, which I shout out a lot. But I think their breakfast sandwich rocks. They do it on chabata, which I love. It's just a little bit less of a mouthful than even though I do think the central ninth facchi is to die for. It's a little less dense. And then they've got this sauce. It's like, I don't know. It's special, but it's comparable to like a spicy aoli. that they put on it and they'll give you extra on the side. And I just think it's a wonderful breakfast sandwich. Hit up Kuchina. Shout out Kuchina for sure. I've seen it. I haven't had it. It looks. It's a beautiful breakfast sandwich. I forgot my secret ingredient on my breakfast sandwich at home is pickles. Add pic sliced pickles. Yes. You need some acid. Yep.

Audience Development Manager, Angie Treasurer, Citicast Salt Lake contributor Kate Gretzinger. On Tuesdays, we do shoutouts. I have to give a shout out to our sponsor for this segment. Shout out to the shoutout sponsor, which is Kingsbury Hall. You know Utah Presents. They run all of the shows at Kingsbury Hall up at the U. They have a really cool new season on sale right now. They've got 21 different shows this season across jazz, dance, theater, film, and more. There really is something for everyone. I also have a recommendation. If there's like a family member, an in-law, a friend that you need to get a birthday present or a Christmas present for between now and the end of the year, get them tickets to a show at Kingsbury Hall. They're like very classy. Very fun, beautiful, beautiful day. I think their prices are really reasonable. All their tickets are on sale now, so you could actually knock out all your shopping now. And if you buy tickets before August 17, your fees are all waived. So that sweetens the deal when you go to utah presents.org slash citycast. So do all your Christmas shopping now. Easy. All right. Kate, you're our guest of honor. What's your shout out? My shout out is the... Down River Festival. This is at Maple Grove Hot Springs, which is in Idaho. It's not too far away, though. Tech-free joint Maple Grove Hot Springs. Tech-free, right. Yes, I've actually never been. And I'm really excited. I think I'm going to go this weekend. It's on Saturday. And it is an afternoon of art music and activism to support Save Our Great Salt Lake. So that sounds really fun. The weather is supposed to finally cool down a little bit this weekend. So the timing could not be better. Yeah, great excuse to go up and check out Maple Grove. Yeah, that's fun. They're going to have Little Moon, Joshua James. They have like... axe. This place rocks. It's solar powered and there's no Wi-Fi. Like, you are truly free here. There's no, there's no places free as Maple Grove Hot Springs in Idaho. That's a fun road trip. I love it. Great idea. Get out of the sweltering heat down here too. What about you, Angie? Mine is actually my favorite corner of the internet, which can be hard to talk about these days, but it's actually on Facebook. It's called Injuries Vanilla. And this is a Facebook group I joined during COVID. Because tired is getting into sourdough. Wired is getting into making your own vanilla extract and buying vanilla beans in bulk. And this company, which is based out of Hiram, Utah, which is just... South of Logan is started by some women up there who wanted to order vanilla beans in bulk. Because if you've ever gone to the grocery store, they're really expensive for not very good quality. And so they work fair trade with farmers all around the world. And you can buy them by the ounce. I have a bunch extracting in my basement. It's kind of addictive when you start doing it. Because you can give it as gifts and you can make vanilla paste. And, you know, it's always lovely to scrape out the caviar when you're doing icing on something because it's just so pretty.

You're the new food nanny, Angie. Yeah, I'm here for it. And people when they post, they're just posting their beautiful cinnamon rolls or the lattes they made with their vanilla bean syrup. And it's my favorite thing. And I love that it's out of this teeny tiny town in northern Utah. So shout out to injuries vanilla. Well, I know that you've got Chef Kate's attention. Yeah, I'm going there. You're there. I'm buying pods. No, it's great. They do releases ever so often. They don't always have a stock. It's just like you have to wait for them to release. My favorite thing I've actually bought from them is bulk cinnamon because you toast and grind your own bark. Listen, it's a whole thing. Wow, fabulous. But they're lovely and it's just a great corner of the internet. And I highly recommend it. Wonderful. Okay, I want to give a shout out to Lucas at Unplugged, Lucas M. I won't fully docks him. But he came up to me at 801 Day and let me know that he threw Unplugged Wellness, which is this like very cool organization that he runs that does things like men's meetup groups and like phone-free hangouts and stuff like that, has put together this conversation about the 999. And I think this is unbelievably cool. So in case you missed it, the 9-99 is our big critical mass bike ride here in Salt Lake City. It meets at 9th and 9th at 9 p.m. every Thursday. And it's a wonderful, joyful tradition. It can get loud. It can get a little rowdy. And for that reason, there are people who have complained about the 9-99 for years. And the police recently got involved. They've been coming to some of the bike rides to, like, quote-unquote, monitor. And as you can imagine, we everyone. has mixed feelings about that. I think, honestly, even including the police, I don't know that they want to be there themselves. But Lucas put together this panel discussion. And I think this is like such cool, like, I don't know, civilian civic, like activism, basically. He's got, so they're doing this on August 17th from 7 to 9 p.m. at Roja Brewing. So it's going to be 21 and up. But it's just what's going on with the 999. He's booked. the deputy chief of police in Salt Lake City, the head of Salt Lake's Transportation Department, Kyle Irvin, a Salt Lake City Council member, Dan Dugan, and then Jeff from the 999, who's like kind of the guy. The 999 doesn't really have a leader. Like that's what's so cool about it. It's totally horizontal. People just show up and go ride. But Jeff is like an icon of the 999. And they're going to. Just talk like normal people in a really healthy way about all the complicated feelings and different angles of all of this and all the nuance at play here. And I think that is really cool. And I think it's cool of Lucas to like just.

do it to just like see the need for that conversation and host it. So go, go listen, go ask questions, go get answers. I think we're probably going to go and then maybe talk about it on the show after in case you can't make it. But shout out to Lucas for sure. Yeah, good for him for putting it together. Like that's within your power. You can always ask and if people say no, they say no. But there's interest and there's a lot of stakeholders that want to know what's going on. So glad he's involved. Completely. All right. On Tuesday, we like to pass the mic to our CityCast Salt Lake neighbors. We mentioned at the top, but we have this wonderful membership program. We're asking you, actually, to become a member right now. And in exchange, we will send you a cool thank you gift. And you actually get to pick it this time, which is cool. You get to pick from three thank you gifts. Usually, we just tell you what you're going to get and send it to you. Thank you to our newest members. Tom E. Andy L. Morgan M. Drew C. Zachary A. Aubrey C. and Julia L. Y'all rock. We cannot make the show without you. One of the ways that we thank our members is by passing the mic so that they can share shoutouts on Tuesdays. Would you each like to read one before we go? Yeah, I'm happy to start. Addie T is shouting out SLAC's summer show, The Gaslight Zone, featuring drag queen Broad Stirling, song parodies, and cursing out our own Governor Cox, hilarious, cathartic, and strangely heartwarming. It ends on August 16th. Love that. Okay, Josie H says, shout out to Slug Mag for being another source of great local journalism for the music scene. If I see a place carrying Slug Mag, I know the vibes are rad. I would have to agree with that. Yep, that's true. Long live slug. All right. Support this show. Get great perks. Become a Citicast Salt Lake neighbor. We cannot do it without you. Membership.citycast.comast.combe contributor, Kate Gretzinger, and audience development manager, Angie Treasurer. It was really fun to spend this time with you. And you know what, gals? I'm betting on you.

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