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The views and opinions expressed untaught back are not those of the staff management or advertisers. This is the Montana News Network's Talkback. Join the conversation at 721-1290 or 1-800-5609 with producer Nick Christensen and your host, Peter Christian. Hey, good morning, everyone, and welcome. It is the Monday, August 10th edition of Talkback. So glad to have you along this morning, everybody. And I know it's smoky out there. It's going to be smoky for... Till further notice, but hey, we're all getting by. Good morning. Mr. Nick, how are you? Doing good, good morning. Good. So how have you been dealing with this? Can't see the sky stuff. I just stay inside. I've been noticed. boring this weekend. I didn't leave the, didn't leave the house much and just kind of relaxed. And yeah, did not go out in it too much. Well, I did. Of course, when I left here Friday, I jumped in the car. And my brother-in-law and sister-in-law and my wife and I went golfing. We went to St. Regis and went to another place. And we had a really, really good time. And I lost my share of golf balls, but then everybody did. So. Well, and you were given a whole plethora of golf balls out Friday by one of our listeners, so you were all set up for that. A very generous individual. Who did not leave his name, by the way? I know who it is, but he just wanted to be referred to as Santa Claus. Santa Claus? Well, Santa, thank you. You made a big difference. I had a chance to share those with all the people that was calving. So that was good. All right. And, yeah, so we made it. Nobody got lost. Nobody fell in the pond. It was good. We had a wonderful time. And we ended up having a wonderful dinner on the way home. So there you go. Very fun. All right. So how about you? What did you do over the weekend, sir? I told you. I didn't do much. I just sat inside and, yeah, just didn't do a ton. Caught up on some sleep and some other stuff. Just relaxed. But, yeah, it's going to be open phones today for the first hour or so. So we want to hear from you guys. And then Rob Nadelson, he'll join us at 9 o'clock. So we're looking forward to that. You bet always, it's always a fun and interesting hour with Rob Nadelson. And you really have to do your homework with Rob because he does his homework. And, of course, he loves taking calls from our listeners as well. So he's his prolific author and, of course, commentator, religious. I should say, a governmental political commentator. And we would love to have you call when Rob is on. But right now, it's open phones. So if there's something you'd like to talk about, just feel free to pick up the phone. Give us a call. Maybe you're bothered by the smoke. You're wondering when it's going to go away. I don't know either. But just give us a call at 406-721, or 1-800-5-309. Governor Gianforte authorized the depra.

of the Montana National Guard personnel to assist in fighting those wildfires in eastern Washington. So that was some kind of news over the weekend. The support package, it's scheduled to depart Tuesday tomorrow. It includes a CH-47 Chinathevievey lift helicopter, a five-soldier crew, and a maintenance team. They're heading to Spokane. Obviously, they've had those massive blaze. burning and it's like 10,000 acres now. It's destroyed over 700 structures and for 65,000 residents from their homes, which is just awful. And Montana joins nearly two dozen states that are providing emergency mutual aid through the emergency management assistance compact. And Governor Jean-Porte emphasized, he said, sending these resources will not compromise Montana's wildfire readiness. stating that state fire crews remained prepared to respond. aggressively to any new fire starts here at home and we can go over some of those fires if we don't get calls when we come back. Sure, you bet. And we would love to hear from you. It is open phones for this first hour, by the way, 406, 7212, or 1-800-5-309. And then in the 9 o'clock hour, one of our favorite guests, one of the original guests, individuals on Talkback. Rob Nadelson from the Independence Institute is going to be with us on the phone. He has already sent us a volume of things that he wants to talk about, but of course he loves taking calls from you folks as well. So if there's something on your mind, open phones is the time to do it. Give us a call 406-7-212 or 1-800-5309. Coming right back after this quick time out. That was Emmett. He gave up. Oh, there he is. Okay.

Announcing Paul. Dennis Bragg with your town square weather. Areas of smoke continue this week with haze filtered sunshine and a little cooler than over the weekend with highs in the upper 80s. Overnight lows will continue on the cool side around 50 degrees, although it will be cool in many locations with lows about 10 degrees colder than that. Air quality alerts continue with conditions ranging from moderate to unhealthy. So be aware of your specific location. We are tracking a possible change this week with a cool down and even a slight chance of showers or thunderstorms by Thursday. We are back. This is Talkback. Good to have you along, everybody. On this Monday, August the 10th, and it's open phones for this first hour. And we do have folks waiting. And Nick's answering the phone right now, in fact. So we'll try to get as many calls in as we can in this hour before 9 o'clock when Rob Nadelson will be joining us. So who do we have there, Mr. Nick? Emmett. Emmett, good morning, sir. You're on Talkback. Go ahead, please. Oh, thanks for taking my call. Well, there's been a lot of talk about these flock cameras you've been seeing all over the country. I don't like them either. It's like a lot of surveillance. I know that they would cut down on crime. I mean, they did a news story on ABC news about them, you know, monitoring people's license plates on the road, this kind of thing. I know it would cut down on crimes because everyone's under surveillance, but that's the problem. Everyone's under surveillance. Now we have a surveillance police state where your film 24-7. That's horrible. That is not good for our Americans. That's absolutely horrible. I know it helps the police solve crime. But do you want a surveillance state where you're always under a candid camera, where you all have to say smile? Big brother is watching you. I don't. I'm just looking at this. And since you brought it up, and it says here, they're called, as you mentioned, flock. cameras, right? They're automated license plate readers made by a company called flock safety. They capture vehicle license plates, make model color and unique features, law enforcement agencies, neighborhoods, and businesses use them to log passing traffic data onto a shared cloud network. So there you go. Very disturbing. That's big brother. I can't believe that as patriotic Americans were even standing for this. I know, you know, that we are getting more security to give up our liberties. But was it one of our founding fathers who said those who will give their freedoms for security deserve neither freedom nor security? Right now I can't remember the name of the founding father, and I know the guest we're going to have on that Rob Nadel's, Dr. Nadelson, would probably give me a – Professor Nadelson would give me a failing grade for not remembering that founding father that drives me crazy, but 8 o'clock in the morning.

But another thing I wanted to talk about was the wildfires. You brought them up. Well, this has been something I've talked about on Talkback for a long time, the environmentalist. I believe it's our friends, the environmentalists and the extremist environmentalists and their environmental regulations that have caused these wildfires. You can't clear-cutch. You cannot ever clear up the underbrush because of the protections for our wild national forests. So what happens, you know, our four has become a tender box because nothing's cleared out because the environment, say you cannot touch Mother Earth or Mother Nature, and everything goes up in smoke, because in the 80s we didn't have these fires. I remember living here, and in Lewiston, Idaho, there was no smoke in the 1980s until the environmentalist came along. push through these horrible regulations because they're earth worshippers. It's just, we've got to pray for this country, but I'm against big brother surveillance, you know. Sorry about the whole thing with the professor, but it's just, you know, I really respect Rob Nadelson, but it'll be embarrassing, you know, be in his class and not remember. Who was the name of that, though? a founding father who said that it wasn't Benjamin Netanyahu it was Benjamin Netanyahu Franklin it was Benjamin Netanyahu Franklin yes boy I was going to say that I thought I'd look stupid because he said in 1755 he said those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety I agree. I almost had Benjamin Netanyahu Franklin in my mind, but I didn't think he was born yet. I thought, oh, wait, wait, wait, so I got it right. And, oh, that's my typical schooling for you. All right. Emmett, thank you for the call. We appreciate it, sir. Let's get Matt on the line. Matt, good morning. You're on talkback, sir. What's on your mind? Good morning, yeah. The last caller kind of addressed. My question, I grew up here in Flathead Valley. I'm 48, you know, so I've been here for a while. I'm a fourth generation Montana, and I just don't remember there being this much smoke and this many wildfires as a kid, you know, and I was an adult. You know, I feel like we get a small little window in the summertime, you know, to get out and recreate, and then we're just kind of stuck inside because it's so smoky. And I just wanted to see if you guys had any thought, you know, on top of what the last caller had is to maybe some of the reasons that we're seeing so many fires and so much smoke. It just doesn't see what... I think one of the reasons is we're in the middle of a really severe drought. I mean, you just drive over the bridge and look at the Clark Fork River. It is a trickle compared to what it usually is. And that, for the entire mountain west, I understand, is under drought. And so when things get dry, all it takes is a, you know, a passing car with a bad muffler or whatever. And boom, the fires begin.

Yeah. No, I agree. I just think that there's a lot of variables and just wondering if there's anything we can do as Americans or people as Montanans to, you know, make things better because it just seems like it keeps getting worse and worse. No, I know people just roll their eyes when I say this. Pray for rain. You know, I mean, we need a lot of rain to counter this. And I don't see any in the forecast. So, yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for the call. We appreciate it. Francis from, let's see, Francis and Big Four, we've got about a minute and a half, sir. Go ahead. Okay. Oh, ma'am. I'm sorry. Please go ahead. Francis, go ahead. Yes. Yeah, I'm on the female. Go ahead, please. Okay. Well, I agree with the other guy about this environmentalist. They should be happy. They're burning up all the animals and their skin is peeling off when the fire is in them. And so they should be really happy. They're scared of a cow letting some gas, but they do not care about people dying. I mean, that to them is fine. So, you know, it's so sad that these people are so sick that they don't know right from wrong, and they don't teach them in school. right from wrong anymore when they had the Ten Commandments and stuff. They knew what was right and what was wrong. Now they'd let them do anything. Please. Francis, it is a pleasure to talk with you. We're running up against a hard break. But thank you so much for the call. We appreciate it, ma'am. And when we come back, Jeff is waiting. And the phone lines are open. By the way, it's open phones from now until 9 o'clock this morning. And then Rob Nadelson will be joining us from the Independence Institute. And they'll be taking your phone calls as well. So we're going to come right back with more open phones right after this on the Montana Talks Radio Network. Stay with us. Talk back. Stay alive. In a world to come. Smiles are powerful. A simple smile can light up a whole room. And for 25 years, Smile Train has been lighting up the world with smiles. And each smile marks a step towards a brighter future. As the world's largest cleft lip and palate charity, Smile Train has supported more than 2 million life-changing cleft surgeries in over 90 countries, leaving a legacy of resilience, joy, and beaming smiles for generations of children.

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The likes of which had never existed before, as far as we know, on the face of the years. So we're not better. We're the exception. You got it. Those two are two different things. Jeff, thank you. Thanks for sure. Real quick. Have you read about Ernest Cantor Freedom? No. It's counter freedom? I have not. Yeah, the center, a former NBA center. He said after careful consideration and reviewing the current eligibility guidelines, I'm officially declaring myself a WNBA prospect. So if simply declaring who you are is all that is required, then I meet every single requirement necessary to compete in the WNBA. And since, and this is, uh, uh, declaration there have been at least one more who've come forth to do that too so the wnba leadership is in a tizzy trying to figure out what do we do now how do we let a 200 and some pound 10 foot or six foot 10 guy uh join the w nva um you know it's uh Common sense is going to prevail. And he's doing this ironically. I mean, he's a naturalized citizen from Turkey who is a great guy. I think he got fine during COVID because he wouldn't take the shot. But good for Ennis and more to follow on him as a WNBA prospect. Thank you for the call. We appreciate it. Let's go ahead, Nick. That other individual also was Royce White. Jeff, who was doing the same thing. He posted a picture with a wig yesterday and said he was beginning his quote, feminine era. So also his plans to declare. So there you go. I love it. Thanks. Appreciate it. Ed's standing by. Ed, it's hard to make your way, sir. Go ahead, please. You got Ed here? Yes, sir. You are on. Go ahead. All right. The way we can tell is that the volume gets a little lower. Okay, because sometimes you skip the name. Don't catch you on that, but the volume gets a little lower, then you know you're on. Well, anyway, Todd Blanche finally got Senate confirmation to be Attorney General. He has been acting Attorney General, but he's full Attorney General now. Okay. And Bill Cassidy from Louisiana was the last vote. He gave a little speech on the Senate floor. Bill Cassidy said that one reason. for his positive vote was that if the Senate didn't pass Todd Blanche, Trump might nominate someone worse. Oh, my goodness. You get that? Someone worse than Todd Blanche? Oh, wow. It's surprising. And what they're going to do is take off and go after Trump's... opponents and Trump's opponents will have to spend millions of dollars in legal fees. Those lawyers get, you know, several thousand dollars an hour, or a few thousand dollars an hour. But Trump and Todd Blanche will get the taxpayers to pay their part of it.

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Hey, welcome back to Talkback, everybody. On this Monday, August the 10th, I'm Peter Christian. Nick Christensen taking your phone calls, producing Talkback. It is open phones. And John's been waiting the longest. John, good morning. You're on, sir. You're on Talkback. Go ahead, please. Good morning. Say, I've been listening to some of these people on here. We're talking about, you know, these fires and... how these fires are getting out of control and whatnot. And if you go back to 1973, the Endangered Species Act went into place. And so you look at... The Endangered Species Act needs to be revamped. It's just gotten out of control. You know, these fires, you know, they don't want to do any login because the spotted owl. Well, what happened to the spotted owl? Nobody talks about the spotted owl anymore. Now it's the grizzly. You look at California, why are there fires out of control down there? You know, you've got some tree or bush that's on the Endangered Species Act and you can't go in there and you can't do any thinning or anything like that. You know, you know, if you look at it, okay, you've got grizzlies, let's say on 4th Street. I mean, you got Grizzlies on 7th Street, but you don't have them on 5th and you don't have them on 9th. So we're just going to keep these, whether it's an animal or a plant or a rock or whatever on the Dangerous Species Act just because they're not on these other streets. They're out there. But it's just become a political thing with the Endangered Species Act, and that's what changed. You know, that was enacted in 1973. Yeah, there have been lots of legal battles. I'm just reading this summary. Legal battles over thinning and controlled burns and recent regulatory rollbacks aimed at easing forest projects. And, you know, I tell you, if every summer is going to be like this, you know, looking outside our weather window here where you can't even see the mountains, ah, boy, as I mentioned earlier, we definitely, we just need. some rain. We're in a drought and we need some rain and we need a nice heavy snow summer to fill up, a heavy snow winter to fill up the rivers for the years to come.

That's true, too. But we also have to look at, you know, why aren't we, you know, like this federal judge, I think it was last week here in Missoula, shut down that project for the bitteret. And what did it come down to? The Grizzlies, you know. It's just, and these attorneys with these. that are fighting all this stuff, they're making hundreds and thousands of dollars, if not millions of dollars. It's just become a money pit, or, you know, it's good for them, but not for us. And if you look, too, why is a senator in New Jersey shut down the gray wolf delisting for the lower 48 states? Why is somebody in a, the other part of this? country dictating on an animal that they don't even have. They don't even deal with the issues that we have. It's the same way with Forest Project. Why is New Jersey, North Carolina, South Carolina senators dictating... What's happening in the state of Montana, Idaho, Oregon? We are jammed with callers, and I appreciate that call. Thank you so much. I believe we have Jerry. Is that right? Jerry's up next. Jerry, good morning. You're on Talkback. Go ahead, please, sir. I'm sorry. From Billings, I'm sorry. Thank you for taking my call. As we listen to your shows and everybody has an opinion about this and that. And I agree with the end about this. federal judge shutting down the project that's in the forest because of the grizzly bears. But when you look back at is that person a Democrat or Republican as that judge to have that kind of power, and they not only put the bears in jeopardy of burning, but to people, there's been several accidents of helicopter crashes trying to fight fire, but even Oregon. And so it gets back to the people. You keep voting Democrat. And this is what you're going to get of power. There's a big push right now to get bargaining back in power. And when you look at all the people that run Trump down, where were they when Biden was run in this country for years and years, okay? Thank you for the... Go ahead. People need to... People need to get out and vote for the people. We're dying here. But I appreciate taking my ball. It's our part. Our pleasure, sir. Thank you. Now, keep in mind that these federal judges are appointed. And so everything depends on who happens to be in the White House at the time. And the prevailing Democrats or Republicans who are, you know, putting forward those names for judges. And those judges serve for a lifetime. So anyway, we're going to come right back. We've got more. We've got Frank from Evergreen. We have Dave standing by. We'll be right back on the Montana Talks Radio Network.

For years. A great hour of open phones to start this great new week. We appreciate everybody calling this morning and we'll try to get as many calls as we can in the next 18 minutes. And Frank from Evergreen is standing by. Frank, good morning, sir. You're on Talk Back. Go ahead, please. Good morning. Yes. This co-president Spokane, the Aaron Varanucci, there's a lot of questions that haven't been answered yet, and I think they're going to get to him. But the main ones are, where did he get the income to support his habits of cigarettes, mutine lighters, marijuana, and then a cell phone. He's been planning. ahead like several weeks and some of his fires. And so he's, somebody's funding him to have all this free time to do all this, uh, uh, criminal activity. And, uh, but then on another hand here, uh, we'll find out perhaps, you know, there you have cameras at, uh, these cannabis dealers and, uh, they can see how is, His pot habit was paid, et cetera, or somebody else's credit card or whatever. Maybe his mother's purse, who knows. But on the other point here, former governor Jay Inslee comes out and says, he's blaming all this, Bokane fire on global climate change. You know, what's, I don't know what's going on. It's probably a contributing factor, but it's not the cause. I know, but he's going way out there, but somehow I think there's some sort of support group here. I think it's some mad Democrats myself. I think it has a lot to do with Bernie Sanders and the Democrats. Anyway, they've got tons of money to give these invasive species like Guaranucci. They want to move to Washington to do the chicanery. So we'll know. All right. We'll see. Thank you for the call, sir. We appreciate it. Thanks for the call. Dave is standing by. Dave, good morning, sir. You're on Talkback. Go ahead, please. Yeah, good morning. I'd like to talk to. It was a big issue last week about the 2020 election. So, you know, I was told by the people called in that, you know, there was ballot stuffing going on by the Democrats. And Donald Trump lost those five states because of that. So I went back and looked at the history and looked at 2020 elections. And I fully expected to see Democrats sweep those five states and win, you know, House and Senate seats along with, you know, along with Trump's loss and Wisconsin, for example. Wisconsin, the Senate seat was won by the Republican. And there was no change in the House of Representatives. The Republicans still controlled the House.

And that was a state that Trump lost. And I don't understand that. Pennsylvania, and again, a Republican won the Senate seat. And there was no change in their house either. The Republicans continued to control it. So, you know, if there was this big corruption in the 2020 election, why did the Republicans win, you know, these important positions? So I question that premise. And furthermore, for those people who believe that the elections don't matter, just stay home. Just don't go bother and vote. Well, what, one interesting statistic here, let's say Biden, Biden got more than 81 million votes in that election, the most votes ever cast for a presidential candidate in U.S. history. So that's quite the accomplishment for Mr. Biden. Right. I mean, it was a bad, it was a bad year for Trump. I mean, it sure didn't hurt, it didn't hurt the Republicans in the House of Representatives, I mean, in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, where Trump had to win those states. So, I mean, I questioned the premise of these people who say it was all fake. You know, it just was a bad year for Trump. And he lost legally and fairly. Right. And then he came back and won again. Right. Biden messed up. There's no doubt about it. But to blame, you know, the election process is false. The evidence isn't there. The five states I've looked at, there were no surprises, no sudden victories by Democrats over Republicans that wasn't expected. I mean, it was just a bad year for Trump. All right. Well, thank you for the call, sir. We appreciate it, Dave. And Doug is standing by. Doug, good morning. You're on Talkback. Go ahead. It's open phones. Yes. I was just going to point out with the fires and the lack of having people in the forest, harvesting the trees, that it also hurt the recycling industry. A lot of the paper mills and things that were out there were the ones that we had visited with Montana recycling into becoming markets. And within two or three years, After we started in business, we started to get the calls. And the Frenchtown mill became a market for corrugated. None of your grocery stores, they had incinerators. We ended up putting bailers in. And all of that is sitting in those facilities now, not being used. I just wanted to point that out. Well, thank you for the call, sir. We appreciate it. And yeah, all right, to give us a call. It's open phones for another 11 minutes or so. We'd love to hear from you at 406-7-21290 or 1-800-5309. Go ahead, Nick, please. Yeah, I have some fire updates since we don't have time for the next call. Right, right.

There was more fire weather over the weekend. It led to some new fires across the state. But the biggest impact was the growth that the high winds, low humidity, and hot temps had on major fires, especially in the western part of the state. The Sand Creek fire burning in the Western pioneers east of the big hole exploded to more than 11,600 acres. Wow. And the adjacent Bobcat Lake fire to the north grew past 7,000 acres. The Beaverhead County Sheriff's Office expanded evacuation orders to go status for Elkhorn Hot Springs and Maverick Mountain, including all communities extending south to Shale Creek and Clark Creek on the north end of Grasshopper Valley. Firefighters have been using the Pioneer Scenic Byway as a fire break and had to stop 15 spot fires as the fires continue to try and spread to the south and east. Critical fire weather continued through yesterday and the forest is much the same today and tomorrow. So they're the forecast. You did it. Thanks for that, Nick. That's very important information. And it is so desperately dry out there. We just plead with anyone who's going to be outdoors, especially in areas where it's fire prone. Please be careful with fire. We're going to come right back after this time out.

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Hey, thank you. I've got kind of a question for Nick and Ace, if Ace is in the studio. I just read that the WNBA, one of the coaches, I think in New York, held back some of her players because in protest, she kept them on the bench for the back-to-back games that they had. And I've been enjoying watching the NBA. I'm not a basketball fan, but I've been enjoying it. But now the drama is just getting too deep, and they've lost me as a fan. So, Nick, I was wondering what's your take on holding players back in protest to what regular NBA players see all the time. I was wondering what your take on it was. Honestly, I didn't hear that. So I'd have to do a little bit of research. But just generally speaking, like that's obviously concerning because I think a coach probably using too much of their power right there. But yeah, I don't know. I'll have to read up on that. I'm just wondering, you know, it's underwritten by the NBA. I was wondering when Adam Silver was going to take the reins and kind of like write the ship on this WNBA fiasco that's going on. They need a new commissioner bad. I mean, yeah, it's got a control, yeah. And it kind of shows the differences between men and women. I don't want to sound like I'm being anti-women. I'm not. I really enjoyed watching the games. But the drama that goes along with it, I know there's drama in the NBA. I don't watch it all that much, but I know there's drama. But this is getting to be ridiculous. I mean, if I want to go watch a cultural... basketball league and the change of how women are being treated. by the league and by the referees and so on and so forth. I actually feel sorry for the players, although a lot of it's brought on by their own behavior. But look that up. It was on a newsfeed this morning that she had held back players sort of in a protest, do a back-to-back scheduling. Thank you. Well, thank you for the call. We have exactly a minute away from being done with open phones. And we appreciate every single one of you that's called today. We certainly do. But we are anticipating a great hour to come. And that, of course, Rob Nadelson, with the Mountain States Policy Center and the Independence Institute. Rob is going to be with us on the phone, taking your phone calls. And, of course, he's a prolific author and just a very, very interesting guy.

to visit with. And we love having Rob on the show as often as he can be here. So we're looking forward to that in the next hour. The phone numbers, 406, 721, 1290, or 1-800-5609. On this, another smoky Monday morning in western Montana, who knows how long it's going to last. So we're going to come right back after the top of the hour break. And we will be talking again with Rob Nadelson and hopefully you as well. So we'll be right back. after this time out on the Montana Talks Radio Network. The views and opinions expressed on Talkback are not those of the staff management or advertisers. This is the Montana News Network's Talkback. Join the conversation at 721-1290 or 1-800-5609 with producer Nick Christensen and your host, Peter Christian. Good morning once again, everyone. It's our number two for this Monday edition of Talk Back for August 10, 2006. Again, I'm Peter Christian, Mr. New Christensen over there, taking your phone calls and producing talk back. And we are always privileged to have with us, ladies and gentlemen, whenever Rob Nadelson is on the phone with us, we know it's going to be a great hour. Rob Nadelson, Prolific Author, and up on the Mountain States Policy Center, is joining us on the phone, and it happens to be in Billings today. So, Rob, good morning. and welcome back to talk back, sir. Good morning. It's always a privilege for me to speak to you. All right. A little bit of news for you. As you know, I'm a senior fellow in constitutional jurisprudence at the Independence Institute where I work on national constitutional constitutional issues and also write the occasional article pertaining to Colorado. have the same title at the Mountain States Policy Center, where I work explicitly on Montana legal issues. And as of August 1, I have the same title, Senior Fellow in Constitutional Jurisprudence, at the Centennial Institute. Wow. That is a think tank affiliated with Colorado Christian University. I'll be working on some social issues of the kind that I can't really do for the other two. So it's being stretched in three different directions, but I find that, I find that tolerable and indeed pleasant. So tell us a little about your research, the things that you're working on at this time. Well, these articles were published in different. places, but they're all collected on my own website, which is nadelson rob.com. One is called why conservative candidates should not agree to debates with liberal moderators, even if they think they've got the format under control. And it's basically a series of stories, most of which arose in Montana about how the sponsor of a debate can skew the debate.

The Mountain State Policy Center published an article of mine on three of the Supreme Court cases just decided this past term that all have a positive impact on free enterprise. Now, of course, their impact on free enterprise is not why the Supreme Court decided them the way they did. It's based on an interpretation of the Constitution. but they all happen to have had beneficial effects on free enterprise. And so that article discusses those three cases. An article that my co-author, Liam McCollum and I have done on the federal misuse of National Guards is a very lengthy scholarly article that has just been finished. And then still another one discusses. The unfortunate tendency of the left liberal progressives who run Colorado to run afoul of the First Amendment, the Supreme Court has struck them down three times now in recent years. And now there's yet another case going up to the Supreme Court in which they have tried to limit. limit religious freedom or first amendment rights generally. And then finally, I republished an article that I first wrote for the Epic Times back in 2021 called Abolish the CDC and the National Institutes for Health, a Center for Disease Control of the National Institutes for Health. I republished the article because it was so applicable given the recent revelations regarding Anthony Fauci. So those are some of the things that I've been working on. Fantastic. And that's your timing is exquisite because we're coming up against our first break. And folks are already lined up to visit with you. Our guest on the phone is Rob Nadelson, the Mountain States Policy Center. And he's talking to us from Billings today. And we always have a great time when Rob is on the line with us. And he is a great interview. And, of course, we're going to be coming back with questions from Skip and Nancy. Hopefully you as well. When we come back right after this on the Montana Talks Radio Network.

Dennis Bragg, with your town square weather. Areas of smoke continue this week with haze filtered sunshine and a little cooler than over the weekend with highs in the upper 80s. Overnight lows will continue on the cool side around 50 degrees, although it will be cool in many locations, with lows about 10 degrees colder than that. Air quality alerts continue with conditions ranging from moderate to unhealthy, so be aware of your specific location. We are tracking a possible change this week with a cool down and even a slight chance of showers or thunderstorm by Thursday. All right, welcome back to talk back. Good to have you along this morning on this special hour with Rob Nadelson, the Mountain States Policy Center is joining us from Billings right now. And we've got folks lined up to talk with you, starting with Skip. Skip, good morning. You're on with Rob. Go ahead. Good morning, Skip. Well, thank you. Good morning, Rob. And I think it's amazing. Now you're the senior fellow of three different institutes, and I know that that will at least help keep you out of trouble. And so I wanted to ask you a general question, especially about Mountain State's Policy Center. Here we are coming up to and going to be here before we know it is a new legislative session in Montana. And there's all kinds of things that are going to be so important to take care of, certainly the budget, but then also things like a big deal here in Montana right now, it's exempt wells, and then possibly a lot of floor time taken up about things like a flat tax. But, you know, the policy center over the years I followed it. I couldn't afford to contribute to it except to try and get the word out. And so, would you please tell us, Two or three things, I'll give you an example, are they the most important things for us to be thinking about in the future? A possible Montana State Constitutional Convention. And then secondly, how do we learn about and do a better job to make sure we get the right people in our Supreme Court, such as Dan Wilson, who's running right now? In addition, What are we going to do about what's the tools we have to fix the problem with redistricting? Anything you can touch on so we are citizens know how to do a better job and tell our elected officials that are going to Helena how we feel about it. I'll leave it at that show. Thank you very much. Thank you, Skip. Well, Skip never just asked one question. Correct. How about you where to begin with this? I think that the redistricting would have to be changed by a constitutional amendment, and I don't think that's likely to happen.

The key, though, to working within the current system is to have a different Supreme Court because what happens is the Republicans appoint two Republicans and the Democrats appoints your Democrats and then they generally can't decide who the fifth person is among themselves. And so the Supreme Court appoints the fifth and the Supreme Court inevitably appoints someone far left of center. So changing the Supreme Court is also one of the keys to changing the redistricting problem. One of the keys to changing the Supreme Court is to go to a system whereby judicial candidates are permitted to declare a political party. I mean, everybody knows that 9 out of 10, maybe 99 out of 100 judicial candidates favor one party or another, but they're not permitted to put their party preference on the ballot. That's one thing the legislature has thought about doing. They need to pass legislation doing that. Unfortunately, people on the left now have a very well-funded initiative called CI-132, which would freeze Montana into this failed nonpartisan system forever. And so that initiative obviously needs to be defeated. So allowing candidates to identify with a party, which has done in many other states, with good results. would, I think, go a long way toward improving the quality of information that voters have about the Supreme Court. They can elect a better and more responsive Supreme Court, and that better and more responsive Supreme Court is a key to fixing the reapportionment problem. Skip also mentioned the idea of a new state constitutional convention. Montanaans will be voting on this in the year 2030. And I personally think that Montana should vote to have a new constitutional convention. Not that the entire... Current Constitution needs to be scrapped, but it certainly needs to be brought up to date. It needs to be conformed with current knowledge. A lot of the language needs to be tightened up so that the people and their elected representatives are running the state, not the courts. So that's certainly an important issue looking ahead. For the immediate session, I think one of the most important issues is that of the flat income tax. Montana has long labored under the bad consequences of having income tax, which is punitive with respect to income. It's one of the reasons that for a very long time, Montana underperformed other states is beginning to correct that now. But you've got a moving target here because many other states are moving toward lower income taxes or no income taxes or flat taxes. So I think the governor's proposal for a flat income tax needs to be pretty high on the agenda, and I hope it's passed. All right. Let's try to get one more call in before we take a break. Nancy, you're on with Rob. Go ahead.

Good morning. Rob, welcome back to Billings, Montana. I had two questions regarding the 74-year-old 1952 law, McCarran and Waters Act. This has to do with these Islamic members of the Muslim Brotherhood running for elections. And I think, you know, it forbids... anybody entering our country illegally who has intentions of this taking down, overthrowing our government, and it also pinpoints Islam and the Sharia law. And I can't believe that somebody like Abdul El-Sayed, who was given birthright citizenship and who has been radicalized in Turkey and now is the back is running for U.S. Senate in the state of Michigan. I don't know how he can accomplish this or get away with this. I'm guessing because birthright citizenship and our Supreme Court allowed this and also we have a Congress legislative branch of government that I don't think is doing its job. They're weak and ineffective and they're not using their powers to enforce our laws. Help me out here. I'm really getting frustrated and anxious over the idea that we have Islamists. running for very important positions of power who want to shred our Constitution and take down the U.S. the United States. So thank you, Rob. Nancy, we're coming up against a break, and I know Rob will need more than 30 seconds to answer those questions. So when we come back from the break, Rob will address what Nancy has talked about. And, of course, we have other folks, Harry and Catherine, are both waiting and other phone lines that are open if you have a question or a comment for Rob Nadelson. Just give us a call. 406-7212-19 or 1-800-5309. Rob, of course, affiliated with the Mountain State's Policy Center. And we are looking forward to the rest of the hour with Rob when we come back after this quick timeout here on the Montana Talks Radio Network. Montana.

State News Network. I'm Dennis Bragg. More explosive fire weather over the weekend led to some new fire starts. The Sand Creek Fire burning in the Western Pioneers east to the big hole exploded to more than 11,600 acres. That's the biggest fire in the state this year. And the adjacent Bobcat Lake Fire to the north group has 7,000 acres. The Obieverhead County Sheriff's Office expanded evacuation orders to go status for Elkhorn Hot Springs and Maverick Mountain, including all the communities extending south into the north end of the Grasshopper Valley. Firefighters have been used. using the Pioneer Scenic Byway as a fire break there. They had to stop 15 spot fires over the weekend. Fire crews in the Bitterrood National Forest have their hands full with a black bear fire. It's now 1,500 acres burning southeast of Hamilton and the scalcoho country. A steep terrain and heavy dead timber creating extreme conditions there. Firefighters are using some strategic burning operations to guide the flames towards some of the older burns cars. There have been a lot of fires in that area in recent years. We expect to find out today whether U.S. Senate Democratic hopeful Alani Bankhead will drop out. of the contest or stick with her conviction to run through the fall. She's been facing some headwinds in recent weeks. Friday, 22 Democrats in the legislature urged her to drop out. They called for uniting behind independent Seth Bodner instead, saying he has the best chance of winning against Republican Kurt Army. The move came after Bodner held a press conference in Billings, continuing his call for a coalition approach to representing Montana. I believe that Montana should have a voice in Washington that can't be bullied by national party leaders who told how to vote. So let me be very clear. I am in this race and to the very end. I am committed to building a campaigner at hand in the third. Because we have serious challenges in this country today. And we need to work together if we're going to find solutions. And we need to be open to the best ideas. wherever they come from. Bodner said he'd never asked Bankhead to drop out. This is the Montana State News Network. Hi, I'm Montana Highway Patrol Colonel Kurt Seger, encouraging you to stay safe on the road this summer. More fatalities occur on the road from Memorial Day to Labor Day. To ensure Montanans and our visitors get to and from their destinations safely this summer, Montana Highway Patrol troopers will be increasing patrols. You can help. Never get behind the wheel intoxicated. Follow the speed limit and always buckle up. Together we can save lives. Sponsored by the Montana Department of Justice. Montana's future is on the line. Will you stand up and fight? Montana was built on hard work, strong families, and economic freedom. Americans for Prosperity is building a grassroots movement and we need you to help lead the charge. Our wages are among the lowest in the nation. Our children rank near the bottom in math and reading. Homeownership is becoming an out-of-reach dream for many, while government interference and radical regulations strangle our industries. Join us today. Visit Americansforprosperity.org. Paid for by a... Americans for Prosperity.

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Welcome back, everybody. It is Talkback, rolling right along on this Monday, August 10. Peter Christian here, Nick Christensen, taking your phone calls, producing Talkback. Our special guest on the phone, Rob Nadelson, from the Mountain State's Policy Center. And let's get right back to the phones. Well, we had Harry's question. Yeah, Harry has a question before we took the break. So go ahead, please, Rob. Yeah, by the way, if I sound a little different, we're having some interesting technical issues this morning. raise the question of, well, why not just abolish parties as far as elections are concerned? And there are a number of answers to that. Parties are what sociologists call mediating institutions. That is, there are voluntary associations that tend to protect individuals from government and enable people to participate in civic life. People love to hate parties, and they love to... claim that they're nonpartisan or they they don't like the idea of partisanship. But the fact is that parties serve as very important functions. For one thing, a party is a way in which an average American can participate in government. Parties give people of very modest means of the option of participating in a really meaningful way. When you don't have parties or when you weaken parties, what you do is you open the way for dark money to control things. People are always complaining about dark money. They're complaining about billionaires participating in politics. This phenomenon arose largely because the government started restraining the extent to which parties could participate. So limits of various kinds were put on parties. Parties were not permitted to coordinate with candidates under some circumstances. And because the parties were weakened, this opened a power vacuum and allowed billionaires and others to start pouring money into campaigns themselves. I'm hoping that the recent Supreme Court decision, which holds, which held that it violates the U.S. Constitution for the federal government to interfere with the coordination between a candidate and his party, I'm hoping that will strengthen the parties more and enable ordinary people to have more say in the process than simply billionaires and dark money. Again, as I said, people love to hate parties, but they really do serve a critical role in the process. One more point, and this goes to the issue of allowing judicial candidates to declare a party designation. A party is a quick way generally of understanding what direction that candidates coming from. Candidates a Democrat, for example, or a libertarian or a Republican. That gives you a clue as to the candidate's general philosophy which you otherwise wouldn't have. So it's a benefit to the voters as well. Okay, let's get Catherine on the line. Catherine, good morning. You're on with Rob. Go ahead. Hi, Catherine. Good morning. Hi.

What is your opinion of the rise of the DSA and its infiltration into the Democratic Party and the resulting transformation or continuing transformation of the Democratic Party? Its policies are basically the Communist Manifesto, if you read their just-release policy statements. How do you think the DSA should be counteractive, and do you think their policies will resonate with younger voters? I don't think people in this country realize just how dangerous they are, especially because the DSA is allied with Islamic fundamentalists. Yeah, well, the DSA, I think, is largely a function of universities, largely a product of the universities. I've seen polling data, which indicates that young people with recent... university educations, especially from prestige universities, hold political opinions that are radically different from those that most Americans hold. They fundamentally challenge basic premises of American government. They reject them. They reject capitalism. They really reject democracy, although they talk in terms of democracy. As we've seen, alluded to this earlier, when they take over a state as they've taken over Colorado, they're also hostile to basic constitutional values, like free speech, the right to keep and bear arms and so forth. So I think a lot of this is being fed by the misinformation that's coming from the universities. Some of it, frankly, though, is a logical extension of what the Democratic Party has been doing for years. I mean, the Democratic Party has began a process basically back in the 1960s of trying to have the federal government take over the entire health care system. And they adopted... Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, and so forth, all with the ultimate goal of having the federal government run all of our health care. And so it's only one step beyond that to go to so-called Medicare for all, which basically means a single-payer system like Canada has, which would mean bad news for Canadians because they come to our country to flee there. Rob, we are up against a hard break and we appreciate Catherine's call. We're going to come right back after this quick time out and more with Rob coming up in just a moment. If you're a business. If you're a business.

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to stop continually asking their candidates to step aside when they find out that maybe they weren't the best people to back within the party. And I was just wondering if you have any ideas that they're constitutionally about disenfranchising their voters. Thanks for the call. It is extraordinary, isn't it? I mean, the name of the party is the Democratic Party, and they're always talking about their commitment to democracy. But we saw this with Joe Biden. Joe Biden was forced to step aside in favor of somebody who would want no primaries at all. We've seen this in a case of Graham Platner. Why Democratic voters would have nominated this guy, I cannot imagine, but they did, and yet they forced him to step aside. And now you see the same thing happening in Montana. I'm not sure there's a constitutional solution to this. I mean, parties are generally free to run matters the way they wish. There is some law. But if they're complying with the law, for example, they force or induce somebody to drop out and then they go ahead and fill the vacancy in a way that's authorized by law. I don't think there's a constitutional issue, but I think the voters need to remember it. All right, let's get another call in before we take our break. Emmett, go ahead. You're on with Rob. Oh, thank you for taking my call. Well, I was talking on open phones about flock cameras, and I believe it's Big Brother government. It's pretty frightening. I even mentioned big Ben Franklin's quote about freedom and security. At first, I couldn't remember it was Ben Franklin and made the quote. But my question for you is, Are flock cameras that monitor the passing cars and the license plates and people passing through and from the streets wherever they go. Is it even constitutional? Because wouldn't violate the Fourth Amendment rights for protection against unreasonable searches and seizures? Because you're being monitored, whether you walk down the sidewalk to go to the grocery store or your drive to work, you're being monitored by Big Brother. This isn't what our founding fathers envisioned at all, I don't think. Of course, one of the other amendments, of course. You know, those rights that are not enumerated by the Constitution are given to the government or to the people respectively. So a lot of other rights have been included that weren't in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. But basically the framework is, I just don't think it's constitutional. So if you could answer that question about these flaw cameras and surveillance cameras. Thank you, Emmett. Yeah, I cannot answer that question. I'll tell you why. There's several reasons. Number one, I'm not a Fourth Amendment expert and why that's the case I'll explain in a second. Number two, the Ninth Amendment actually doesn't say what a modern reader would think it says. What the Ninth Amendment really does is it says that, look, simply because we have a Bill of Rights doesn't mean that government is empowered to do everything else.

It's what we call a rule of construction in law. This is all explained in my book, the original constitution. But it's not like there's some, you know, reserved rights of privacy or whatever that are protected by the U.S. Constitution because of the Ninth Amendment. Now, people ask me whether we have a living constitution or not. And I answer that by saying, what clause are you talking about? Because some parts of the Constitution were written to be rigid. Some clauses of the Constitution were meant to be somewhere in between and some were meant to be very flexible. And the 14th Amendment, which talks in terms of unreasonable search, fourth amendment, excuse me, which talks in terms of unreasonable searches and seizures, is one of these very flexible provisions. the founders expected the courts to work it out in kind of an evolving process. What the courts generally say is that you're protected by the Fourth Amendment in areas where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy. And I don't know if it's ever been adjudicated whether flock cameras are interfering with your... reasonable expectation of privacy. And with that, with that, we're seconds away from a break. You can continue that when we come back. We'll be right back with more with Rob Nadelson right after this quick time out here on the Montana Talks Radio Network.

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You know, there are some circumstances in which, let me back up, normally cities and counties have what's called sovereign immunity, which has been qualified in Montana. Sovereign immunity prohibit citizens from collecting from city officials or from cities. But it has been qualified in Montana. I don't recall the exact perimeters of the doctrine, though. One of the fundamental legal problems that have arisen had contributed to the homeless situation is that court decisions that were issued in the 1960s and 1970s by the Supreme Court basically prohibited most kinds of involuntary detention. So before the 60s and 70s, if somebody was wandering around the street, he could be picked up on a vagrancy charge, maybe spend a few days in jail. Some people actually courted those charges because it was warm in the jail and it wasn't warm on the streets. But there were ways in which the police could control the homeless situation that don't exist today because of these court decisions. But I'm not sure that there's much there that the ordinary citizen can do other than to hope that it's some, or to encourage local officials to challenge those decisions and maybe get the Supreme Court to reverse them, which it might very well do. By the way, I never got quite a chance to finish the last question before Steve's. which was about surveillance cameras. Got about a minute and a half. Drive from Colorado to Montana, the segment of I-25, which is located in Colorado, is one surveillance camera after another. Part of that is the need for checking. to make sure that people don't violate the rules of the toll lanes. But still, just a number of cameras, the frequency, the extent to which we are surveilled really does remind me, as the caller suggested, of communist China. Rob, we have just a little less than a minute. Any parting thoughts, sir? Yeah, two things. Number one, if you're interested in buying my book, the original Constitution, make sure you get the fourth edition. That's the edition that shows on the cover, the men at the Constitutional Convention. The subtitle of it is the historical meaning of America's Supreme Law. It's no longer, you know, what it actually said and meant. It's a historical meeting of America's Supreme Law. So be sure if you go to Amazon. To get it, you get the fourth edition. Got it. You want to see other stuff I've written. Go to natelsonrob.com. Got it. N-A-T-E-L-S-O-N.

ROB, all one word. Nadelsonrod.com. Rob, thank you. Always a pleasure, sir. Appreciate it. Mr. Nick, what's coming up tomorrow? We'll get a quick update from Americans for Prosperity, and then Brian Massard, and then the rest of the show will be spent with Dr. Patrick Barkey. All right, lots coming up. And again, thanks to all of you for calling, and thanks to Rob Nadelson for being with us. We appreciate that. Have yourselves a great day, everybody. We'll see you tomorrow morning. Right nearly at 8 o'clock for another edition of Talk Back. Talk to you that. Surprise. Wait, do I know you? You use your Discover Cashback card to have 5% cashback on restaurants all quarter. Uh, yeah. Now, it's payback time. Whoa, whoa, uh, hold on. Go ahead. Oh, you mean my Discover Cashback. I told you there'll be payback. You know, you have a weird way of delivering good news. I'm working on that. Activate and earn 5% cash back at different categories each quarter on up to $1,500 in purchases. Terms apply. See discover.com slash 5 for details.