Fauci is Just Prolonging His Own Agony by Pleading the Fifth - Jay Town - 8-10-26
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49 segmentsWhat does one trip to Israel do? One trip changes people's faith, their identity, their perspective. One trip changes the response when people chant from the river to the sea. One trip changes how people see right and wrong. One trip changes the idea of home. One trip changes everything. And one donation is all it takes. much for joining us. Thank you so much for your time today and every single day. And thank you very much for our next guest, Jay Town, a former U.S. Attorney Northern District of Alabama, a guy who truly understands a lot of things going on in the world better than I ever will. We appreciate him coming in here and bringing the reality to the program. Sometimes we appreciate Jay Town being here on the Alabama A&M $350 million Bulldog Hotline. Alabama A&M, $350 million. That's the economic impact on the great state of Alabama. 238 million on North Alabama alone. And boy, do we appreciate that. AAMU. Learn more about what they can do for you and your community right there at Alabama A&M. Jay, let's talk about... something that's happening here that is super important. And it is Anthony Fauci. For some reason, we just love talking about this guy. Tommy Tuberville has a lot to say about this. Attorney General Steve Marshall, the Alabama AG, had a lot to say about this, say, look, you don't have state level immunity and you absolutely aren't safe from private lawsuits and things like that. All of it seems very unlikely that we're going to see any of this. In reality, accountability is not a thing that we believe in sometimes in this country, especially for high-level experts. And, I mean, he is the science, after all, he claims. He is. Yeah. Is he vulnerable to anything in the state of Alabama, or is this just wishful thinking? I don't think he's, so I've memorized the Alabama Criminal Code. And it's not unlike most state criminal codes, frankly. I mean, the only difference might be some like fish and wildlife statutes and things like that depending on the state. there really is not a plausible theory. And the primary reason why is twofold. One, he has federal immunity for the things that he did in federal office in the course of his office, but two, and mainly because it was the Alabama governor and Alabama health director who shut down the state. It wasn't him. He gave advice and they took it. Now, I will say, and I wrote an op-ed that was published in the Federalist last week that you might have seen, Dale, that he does have federal exposure when he pled the fifth. And the reason is because he, if you're asked a question that specifically related related to the pardon period, and it's only related to a possible federal crime, like his prior testimony before Congress.
He can't plead the fifth. It's contemptuous. And if he chooses to plead the fifth, then Burdick versus the United States tells us that he has abandoned his pardon, and then that pardon period, the misconduct, if there is any, can be prosecuted. It's one or the other. The prophylaxies of a pardon and the Fifth Amendment do not coexist when the questions are about the pardon conduct during the pardon period. Okay. Talk to me like I'm an idiot because I am. So. Does that mean that it removes his pardon or it opens up to other issues like contempt of Congress? And the contempt of Congress itself, even though you can't get at any of the, he has no criminal exposure because of the pardons, obviously. The contempt charge itself could see you put in jail, see Steve Bannon and others that you could be locked up for merely the contempt of Congress, not necessarily any other criminal charge. Is that correct? Well, I contend it's one or the other. I contend that he has a right to plead the fifth, even though he has a pardon. That's what happened in the verdict case. And if he pleads the fifth, the courts could say, that's fine, can't be held in contempt for pleading the fifth. But you've abandoned your pardon now and anything in the last five years, any testimony perhaps in front of Rand Paul's committee, let's say, or Congress. Well, if that testimony was false, like I didn't fund gain of function research. then, and we know from the declassified emails and his diary and other things, what he really believed, then that conduct, and during what was the pardon period, can be prosecuted. It's one or the other. It's either he has a pardon and has to talk about stuff that is strictly related to his prior testimony that can only be prosecuted by the feds, or he's abandoned his pardon and his prior testimony can be subject to prosecution. And that's what Todd's going to have to look at. So he could be Todd Blanche being the Todd we're talking about here. Yes. The new AG who will be confirmed, which by the way, just a side note here, you can comment on this if you want. The Republicans public hand-wringing over stuff like Todd Blanche is so stupid. Have the stupid vote. The president of the United States gets to choose his appointees. And I've had this position all along. I think Lindsey Graham is probably the most right on this, or at least was on this, where he voted for people who were qualified, but he just didn't like. Elaine and Elena Kagan. Yeah, because the president gets to, yeah, because the president gets to choose. I mean, just because I don't like them. The election has consequences. That's it. I mean, am I right on how it's supposed to be?
100%. And at 1 o'clock in the morning on Saturday, this past Saturday, they did vote him through. So he's the Attorney General of the United States. There are people all over this country, some of the favorites that you like to talk about, who just can't stand Todd Blanche. He's the president's personal lawyer. Todd Blanche is exactly what we want in an attorney general. And I'm glad we're talking about him because, I mean, full disclosure, he's a friend of mine, but he's also. an impressive man. He's an impressive lawyer and an impressive leader. And I'm glad he's running our justice. Well, good. Good. All right. So back to the Anthony Fauci just real quick here. Yeah. So he has exposure now for the things he was pardoned for because of how he handled it. Is that the gist? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. He was in a really tight spot because he didn't want to answer any questions about his prior testimony because it was false. But he had to, but he chose to plead the fifth and possibly face a contempt charge or abandon his pardon. He didn't really have a lot of great choices. And so he's just prolonging his agony. That's all that it is. I really believe he's going to face criminal charges. Okay. Well, that was going to be my question. That was going to be my question. Like what is your prediction? You say criminal charges? Yes. I think it'll, I think you'll see charges for both contempt. and lying to Congress under 18 U.S.C. 1001. And then he'll move to dismiss both, and the court will say, well, you can't dismiss both. You can dismiss one or the other. And they will choose to dismiss the contempt charge, and he will abandon his pardon. And that will mean that he will be facing the charge for lying to Congress, which is the much... serious chart more serious is that correct grammar yeah yeah it's serious sir as you would say yeah there we go there right so just to to kind of button this up here real quick local level Yeah, probably nothing to worry about on Anthony Fauci's part. Lots to be made politically on that. But when it comes to actual exposure, not that much federally, he seems to have some issues. It looks like they're just going to go after him for contempt, but maybe they go after him for the other stuff as well. And you see people, and I'm not going to use any names here because they're your best friends, former DAs and stuff, saying things like, to all the people working at the DOJ right now, please stand firm unless you're asked to do something illegal. You must do. I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. And they're saying all these things. It's like, okay, so what you're saying is they haven't been asked to do anything illegally. Wow. I hope that social media post was worth it. But it's just, it's interesting to see that the suggestion is that there's like all these illegalities out there being done. And it's like they're going after Brennan and others because they broke the law. They broke the law. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly right. And that Miami grand jury is going to really get kicking now that the. It would have been devastating for Todd to have an indictment of Brennan during his confirmation process. As ridiculous as that sounds, the Thom Tillis is in the cornons of the world. Lisa Murkowski is a joke. I don't even know why they let her on committees at this point. Right. I mean, you know, just strip her of all of her committees. Don't, as a Republican, you know, don't let her be anywhere. I mean, she doesn't deserve it. She doesn't vote with us. It's a joke. It's kind of, it's like, it's like Thomas Massie.
You know, he just votes against this on everything. You know, I'm here, though. Look, 90% of the time, I vote present. Take the organizational win. I think that's pretty much the gist of how it works. Yep. Fouchy's got problems. That's the takeaway everybody. And go look at the Federalist. Just give it a Google or go to my Twitter page and you'll see it. It explains it in pretty good detail and the case law is all cited in it too. All right. Good deal. One more thing. You've worked at the DOJ before. Do you know, is there anything we need to know about these data centers? Like the big push that I see is that. Tommy Tuberville says, hey, look, China's pushing this stuff. They don't want us to have them. They want to have them. And I'm just a stupid idiot. So bear with me here. But to me, the reason why China would not want us to have them is so they are basically within their borders, which makes it easier to control. physically, if it is within your borders. So that is, that's probably true. And there's a lot of probably benefit to that. Plus, there's the economic benefit to it as well. And so you got guys like Tuverill's saying, no, China's pushing this anti-Data center stuff and all these other things, which you can look. And there's a one down in Mobile where a straight-up DSA funded by some communist ties is one of the groups pushing against these data center. Is it China? doing this and is there a national security concern with these things not being in the United States? Yes and yes. So Doug Burgum is out and so are other people in government to include Tommy Tuberville saying that China is they're using dark money essentially to get online and use bots to drum up. opposition, local opposition oftentimes to data centers in the United States. And there's two reasons why. The first is if they can slow the data, we have more data centers in the United States than China has in China right now. And in the AI race, any kind of data, whether you use your cell phone, the internet, or AI, you need data centers. All right. It's a processing plant. That's all it is. And the greater the amount of data, the more data centers you need. And whether you're in the cloud or whatever, it doesn't matter. That's the data centers provide that service for you. It's a big mixing bowl of data. And the more mixing bowls we have, the more data we can process in this country. If we don't have them because of these faux environmental concerns, then what happens is China leads the race on AI, on other types of innovation. But two, we might have to rely on data centers that are controlled by China. Let's say they're in Canada. or they're in some other country. They're not necessarily in Beijing. And then they have access to that data, right? And so in the defense industry here in town, we have a big debate on whether or not we can use AI at all because it is necessarily you're putting your secret sauce into a third-party application to try to get answers. And when that gets leaked out, like what happened with Samsung, there's a breach.
Your secret sauce is now out in the wild, and that's not what you want, whether it's a proposal or any of your tech stacks or things like that, you don't want that out in the wild. That's your secret sauce. That's the thing that makes your company great. So that's what China is hoping is happening right now. They're winning the argument, primarily because I don't know that we are talking about it on the data center side, the pro side. in the right way. No, because the conversation has become they want to rape your land. I mean, that's basically, it's become this whole fight about whether or not the data center is attacking your family. And it's just, it sounds nonsensical, but it's working. And that's, that's really the problem. And so I find it to be. pretty troubling personally. I mean, just just on my front, I don't understand it while this anger about it. You look at the, there's a lot of economic benefit that comes before it from having it. And then there's a reason why China wants them. I mean, we're not. Well, let's just be real, real about this. Right. There's a reason why China wants these things. And it is obvious that they view them as an economic benefit to them. And so it's kind of crazy that we're willing to just kind of seed that because we're being told that, you know, it's raping your land and stuff. So I've just never really understood that. So I think it's ridiculous. And I think there's a lot of concern. And you mentioned the stuff about AI and using it and them having access. I mean. Do we not remember the TikTok conversation from like last year? Correct. It strikes me as the exact same conversation only far more important. Your TikTok dance is not really all that important. You know, watching as people try to. do research and whatnot on the arsenal and use AI to analyze things. And Tommy Tuberville's talking about it too, like using AI for state budgets and stuff like that in order to look at budgets and stuff. So anyway, long story short. Let's start here, Dale. If China's against the United States having something, we should all be very skeptical as to their reasons for opposing something the U.S. has, and we should immediately be for it until someone can prove to it. I mean, but the water. You know, the footprint, right? I mean, come on, guys. My, we have 20,000 data centers already. You know, if we have 21,000 or we, I mean, I'm always a little chilly anyway. So, I mean, is global warming really the effect, right? Yeah, I mean, that's right. Yeah, that's exactly. And just to go further since you mentioned global warming, did you see that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is freezing her eggs? Yeah. Well, yeah. It's like a poor man's only fan. I mean, it's like, good God, you know. My wife and I talked about it, actually. And I mean, good for her. If that's what she feels like she needs to do, why she puts it online is disgusting.
Well, she's putting it out online because she's the social media influencer who works in Congress. But my reason for bringing it up is this. It sounds like she doesn't think the world's going to end now. That's good. That's a good sign for us. We made it. Yes. We got through it. So let's take the win there. So Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's saying the world is not over and she's going to bring a child into this world eventually. But she's waiting until after she runs for president. That's what I assume this is all about. And that is a... a pretty terrified thing. She's been engaged for like five years too. That seems to be working out great. Am I wrong? You tell me if I'm wrong here, Jay. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez having a baby on her hip at a presidential debate. I think that helps her. She refuses to take a break to breastfeed right in the middle of the debate with JD Vance refuses to cover up. I think that's a net win for her, right? My mom's listening, Dale. Stop it. We've talked about this. Thank you. Jaytown. Former U.S. Attorney Northern District of Alabama. Always appreciate him coming on here and bringing his legal insight, his national security insight, and campaign insight as well. Thank you very much to J-Town for being here on the Alabama-A&M $350 Bulldog Hotline. We'll be right back. This is The Dale Jackson Show. What does one trip to Israel do? One trip changes people's faith, their identity, their perspective. One trip changes the response when people chant from the river to the sea. One trip changes how people see right and wrong. One trip changes the idea of home. One trip changes everything. and one donation is all it takes. Start your day with the morning jolt of Drake C. Toll. See, now it's on demand. My podcast is kind of a radio thing, I think, but also it's a bit of a TV show, and it's about whatever I want it to be. It's listening live as it happened, when it happened, with the instant reaction. You're home for talking sports. We go back, the Drake Toll Show, Westwood One Sports Network, and there will be on demand on your radio. Anywhere in the country, I'll see you there. Westwood One Sports Talk, your home for Drake C. Toll. Follow and listen on your favorite platform. What does one trip to Israel do? One trip changes people's faith, their identity, their perspective. One trip changes the response when people chant from the river to the sea. One trip changes how people see right and wrong. One trip changes the idea of home. One trip changes everything. And one donation is all it takes. The U.S. soccer podcast. I'm your host, Megan Klingeberg. And after interviewing so many dudes during this men's world cup, I'm so happy to be back with my U.S. women's national team players. I know the U.S. men's national team has changed how I think about myself, how I think about being an American, how I think about being on a team. It's one year out from that World Cup, and we're going to talk about the brightest prospects in U.S. soccer. You ready? I'm ready. Let's do it. The U.S. soccer podcast, presented by Henko. Follow and listen on your favorite.
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