All In with Chris HayesAugust 8, 202641m

Trump FUMES after court blocks ballroom construction

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Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes. America's disastrous war in the Middle East is now in its sixth month. Its economy is in a tailspin, and Donald Trump is in a rage because his ballroom has been put on hold. Remember, this is what Donald Trump wanted and promised a 90,000 square foot white and gold behemoth that would dwarf the actual White House. It would be the biggest thing on that plot of land by far. This is what Donald Trump has given you. A gaping hole in the heart of the country. He posted this photo this week. Look at that. He's proud of that. He is proud of demolishing the East Wing without asking any of our permission or Congress to build a Trump monstrosity, to build a ego palace for himself. But today, a federal appeals court ruled two to one. Nobody. That actually, he is supposed to ask permission. Because, and this really cannot be stressed enough, it is not his house or his land. It is ours. And so the appeals court majority put on hold what has to be the single biggest renovation ever undertaken by a renter in all of human history. And its lengthy ruling, the court majority wrote, the president has no and claims no constitutionally assigned authority over that property. Whether or not a massive ballroom should be constructed is for Congress to decide and is not a matter for executive self-help. That ruling appears to affected Trump deeply. He is in his feelings about it on the internet. That's based on the nearly... 500-word rant, he posted on social media, quote, the military and secret service are viewing this horrendous, politically motivated, unlawful ruling as a national security threat to our nation in that the entire complex is billing built for the protection of our country and additionally all future presidents. It is all tied together as one big, expensive and very complex unit, which is vital for national security and military operations of the United States of America. This unjust decision must be overturned by the Supreme Court in its entirety. I didn't read the whole thing, just, you know. Notice as soon as they strike it down, it's like the national security military complex and not the ballroom. Like it was the ballroom. He called it the ballroom. He talked about how there had to be a ballroom. That was the original, the project. Now it's like the military complex. So forget about Iran where we are still at war. There's still no deal. Forget about the price of gas, which is still above $4 a gallon, has been for months. If you want to know. What the president of the United States spends all of his time thinking about as president, it's clear as day. This is it. I mean, it's obvious if you watch it, but do not take my word for it. Here is the reporter who may know Trump better than any others. Maggie Haberman of the New York Times. How much of his time actually goes into the renovation now? A lot. If you looked at like. like a chart of his mind share, like this I will say about getting into his mind, like 70% of it would be on his renovations. It's a legacy thing, but it's, it's, I always think of legacy with him different than the way we usually use the word legacy. It's, oh, it's, it's not what am I leaving behind for the world. It's what am I leaving behind so the world can't kick me off the world.

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Trump cannot see anything beyond these projects to glorify him. The ballroom. There was the reflecting pool. There's the arch, which he's still like raising money from God knows who and God knows which way. There's the Trump coins and the Trump passports and the statues he's gilding everywhere. The man wants to be surrounded by his gold leaf landlord's special decor everywhere he goes. Even today, sitting in a White House press conference for the mining industry. Behind a table with a sign reading, American mining, American jobs, right? Clearly set up by his political minders who were like, you have to talk about things ostensibly about the American people. All he wanted to do was talk about renovating. I'm liking the chandeliers. I really, I like those Corinthian columns, but cutting them out would be not good. There's a beautiful columns, but I'm allowed to do it. Every once in a while, I'll come in here and grab a painting and put it at the Oval Office, right? He can't help himself. He cannot help himself. And again, this all would be funny if he didn't, if he wasn't the President of the United States. And there wasn't a war going on. But at least there's nothing else going on today. The president should be focusing on, right? Minus 23,000. No rebound for the July jobs report. Negative 23,000. Again, a disappointing jobs report. 23,000 jobs lost in July. It's so bad that even the folks at Fox cannot find a way to spend it. Yes, we lost a ton of jobs last month, but that actually isn't even the worst news because economists expected a gain of 83,000 jobs in July. Instead, we lost 23,000, 100,000 job miss. And this report also revised May and June job numbers down by 103,000. And yet unemployment tick down, which is a sure sign that more people are just dropping out of the labor market entirely instead of seeking new jobs. Fact, according to this chart by our friend, the economist Justin Wolfers, the only job sectors that have grown since Trump took office. And this is ironic when you think about the like macho, macho man appeal of Donald Trump, right? We're going to get back to mining and we're going to build stuff and manufacturing. The only thing that has drawn. is health care and social services. That's it. That's where all the jobs are. The rest of the U.S. economy has cut more than 350,000 jobs. Now, those are numbers that will concern most presidents going into a midterm election. But concerned is not how Donald Trump rolls. He's unbothered as he sat down today with punchful co-founder and MS Now political contributor, Jake Sherman. Well. A lot of people are saying I'm one of the greatest presidents effort. But our country right now is doing better than it's ever done. You know, when I see polls on the economy, I should have 150%, not 100%, because we have the greatest, this is the golden age of America. I don't think that's how percentages work. But that aside. It absolutely is not a golden age in America. I mean,

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It is in the Oval Office, and it is across the White House, and it is if you're Donald Trump shanking your puts and having your caddy make up for you. It's a golden age in a literal sense in that Oval Office where Trump is literally adding the color gold to everything. But this week, MS Now reporter Alex Tabett spoke with Trump voters in Ohio. And their general feeling was, this all sucks. I was hoping that gas was going to go down so I could do something. You know, you can't do anything with gas prices and you just can't afford to breathe at this point. I can get laid off tomorrow and I'm pretty much homeless because, you know, you can't save now. No, I'm good on Trump, man. That's all I got to say. What does it feel like to be living in these conditions right now, in these economic conditions right now? Hurt. I'm very hurt. I try to do... Sorry, I cry. I try to do a lot for my kids, and I can't do much. If you could send a message to the president right now, what would you tell him? He needs to look out for the American people instead of himself. Put us first. Does America feel great again? No. Not at all. Sam Stein is the managing editor of the bulwark and an MS now contributor. Valencia Johnson is a Democratic strategist who worked as a senior advisor of the 2020 Biden campaign, and they both join me now. Sam, as I watched that tape, I was thinking that Alex Tabett should have said to them, but what about the ballroom? Aren't you psyched about the ballroom? Isn't that? What about that? What if we build that ballroom? Wouldn't that, and we put in Corinthian cons, wouldn't that make you happier? Yeah, they might not go for the Corinthian columns. It might not be the choice. You know, that was kind of like a really heartbreaking video, and it really got to the dichotomy of what's happening here. The obsession with the ballroom and all these beautification projects, it's clearly something that he loves to do. It's where his attention is, as Maggie noted. And it comes at this obvious political cost because if you're just an average political observer, you're watching the president just spend all this time and day and energy doing these renovation projects. And, you know, the ballroom, it's totally absurd, right? I mean, of all the things that he's done, obviously he's done more pernicious and damaging things. more hurtful things, more unethical things, although I will say one of the elements of the bottom that's really underappreciated is how unethical it is, right? Who is funding the actual private stream of donations? We just don't know. But putting that aside, if you just step back and you think about what he did, he literally demolished a third of the White House complex without saying he was going to do it, getting permission to do it. In fact, his first inclination was he was going to leave the East Wing intact.

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And now he's like, well, can't I just go ahead and do it when the law, when the courts step in? And it's symbolic of a president who is distracted, who's egotistical, who is focused in all the wrong directions, and who's probably going to pay at the polls for it. Yeah, this is this line from the ruling. I mean, I keep thinking about this idea, I mean, sort of a jokey idea, but like if you were renting a house that had a garage and you're just like, I'm going to demo the garage. I want to build something here. Yeah. See it. Wait, I don't know where it shows up like, no, no, no, no, you can't do that. Like, this is the ruling. It says the whole thing has nothing at all to do, whether the proposed ballroom is desirable or not as a matter of policy. At this preliminary stage, the National Trust has shown compellinging. Congress has not seated unfettered authority, the executive to randomly redesign, reshape, and reconstruct the White House, the People's House, to fit a particular president's desires. Like, it isn't his house, it's ours. And Alencia, on the, on the jobs part and also the price part, when you watch that tape that Alex Tabin put together, which is great. I got to think about Biden people, people that were in that administration. who could not really control the fact that inflation was going up. There were external things that did it. There was not a ton the president could do about it. Having that be the signature issue that election and now turning around and watching all this play out and how you feel about it. Yeah, you know, it is extremely heartbreaking to watch that video to hear the pain and those people's voices. I have family members who actually help with of people who are unhoused who are losing their jobs. They actually need food assistance. And it is very real. And I remember during the Biden administration, there were a lot of conversations on Democratic circles and that we actually have to do a better job of communicating how these policies would actually take a little bit of time, right? Like President Biden passed some very strong, you know, economic bills. But it would take a long time for people to actually feel that. So how do you... communicate this while also really talking about the dangers of the incoming Trump administration. I think what One of the things that we are learning is that folks who would support us, whether Democrats or people who are tired of Trump, are actually tired of folks talking about who Trump is and what the Democrats are for. We have actually not had a great message until now when the affordability conversation has actually been the thing that has like poked through because of the big, ugly bill that unfortunately passed. But I think a lot of folks are feeling some, a little bit of remorse and honestly thinking, what could we have done different? to communicate to the American people what this could be and what this would feel like. Yeah. You know, one thing that has seemed to poke through, Sam, and there was a long period of time, you know, we do the show every night where the corruption and the self-dealing felt like it wasn't breaking through. Really? I mean, even though it started from the very beginning and they, like, announced the crypto company like a day before he's inaugurating. Okay.

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It does feel now like it is breaking through. And as he saw on those interviews, not just that it's breaking through, but it's just directly connected. Like, I'm struggling and he is just helping himself to whatever he wants. Yeah, 100%. I mean, when you see the family get involved in all this government contracting, when you see them profiting from the crypto business, when you see them making literally hundreds of millions and dollars, and you're struggling to afford gasoline, of course it's going to break through. Corruption is a very powerful political tool when you can wield it. And I think Democrats would be very wise to do so. And look, he's not necessarily... profiting per se from the ballroom. But certainly this gets to the corruption element too, right? Who, again, who is funding the ballroom? Do we know who where the private sources of funding are? Do we know who's donating to them and what kind of favors they are getting? All this stuff kind of ties together, which is he's looking out for these vanity projects. He's more interested in beautifying Washington. See, which by the way, is kind of... crazy and ironic too, right? Like, here's the guy who said, D.C. doesn't get it. I'm for the people outside D.C. He is literally spending so much capital real and political, beautifying Washington, D.C., like Meridian Hill Park. Like... Does someone in Ohio care what Meridian Hill Park's fountains look like, honestly? And then on top of that, and I'll just stop talking here, he's refiguring the cabinet around these things too, right? Like Doug Burgum is the Interior Secretary. It's a pretty substantial job. It's a big country. It's a big country. A big chunk of his day is spent on things like they're, yeah, it's a big chunk of his day is spending on producing evidence of fake vandalism at the reflecting pool. I think if you're an average human being out there in the, you know, in the middle of the country, and you're struggling, and maybe you're unemployed. And look, the numbers are horrible today. One of the things about the numbers today is that people are staying unemployed for a long time, six months or more. And you watch the president just unable to focus on anything other than the gold ornaments in the Oval Office in the Corinthian columns, it begins to wear thin. Yeah, and it's interesting that data today on the job market, Alencia, because there had been a pretty good run of jobs numbers, and then they've been redized down and today's bad. And again, this stuff's noisy and, you know, anecdotes, not the plural of data. But the people that I know that have been looking for work have had a really tough time and have felt like it's really tough. And I think there's been a little bit of a mismatch from what the data has been saying people's experience. Now, again, There's statistical sampling for a reason. But it, you know, prices have been the main problem for him being too high, a soft labor market less so. But I think that's something they got to kind of have their eyes on now.

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Yeah, look, it's the prices. It is the soft labor market. But then even as the people who have been out of jobs for so long, they're even looking for jobs that would be half of their salary, but they can't even find those types of jobs. I've also heard from incoming college students that are getting emails that are saying that their federal loan assistance is being cut. So every single demographic is actually feeling this. And I think this is something Democrats have to continue to talk not only about what people are feeling, but what is the solution on the other side? should they gain the seats back in the midterms. Yeah. And there's some places like on the Medicare Part D subsidies restoring those and restoring the student loan stuff and on housing where like there are fairly straightforward things you can do. It's not going to fix everything, but you can at least not make the problem worse, which I think is one way to start. Low-hanging fruit, Alencia Johnson, Sam Stein. Thank you both. Coming up, Epstein survivor, Jess Michaels, on why she says Todd Blanche should never be Attorney General. That's next. At DSW, we asked the important questions. Like, what shoes are you going to wear? Whether you're prepping for wedding season, festival season, or just planning the ultimate vacay, the right shoes can make or break an RSVP. So own the moment. You've got big plans and we've got just the shoes at the perfect price, of course. Get ready to get ready with designer shoe warehouse. Head to your DSW store or DSW.com today. And let us surprise you. The SERDA Labor Day sales event is here. It's the unofficial end of summer, which means shorter days and longer nights. So fill them with perfect sleep night after night. Save up to $800 on Serta Perfect Sleper X mattresses and adjustable base sets. See how the Q4 support system helps relieve aches and back pain. Limited time offer. Visit Serta.com to find a retailer near you. Perfect sleeper, perfect sleep night after night. Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co-founder of Angie. When you use Angie for your home projects, you know all your jobs will be done well. Roof repair? Done well. Kitchen sink install, done well. Deck upgrades, done well. Electrical upgrade, done well. Angie's been connecting homeowners with skilled pros for nearly 30 years, so we know the difference between done and done well. Angie, the one you trust to find the ones you trust. Find a pro for your project at Angie.com.

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Today, Republican Senator Bill Cassidy announced that he will vote to confirm Donald Trump's personal lawyer as the next Attorney General of the United States, which means Todd Blanche has the votes to be confirmed. But you already knew that. And the reason you know it would happen was because earlier this week, Senator Susan Collins of Maine said she was a no, and she pretty much only does that when she knows the vote is meaningless and Republicans have the votes locked up. So when she was a no, I knew he was getting confirmed. And so Mr. Todd Blanche, guy who should not get a single vote, who has been the president's personal lawyer, whose two most infamous acts before receiving the nomination are negotiating the insurrectionist slush fund, which earns a censure from a federal judge and accusations of fraud on the court, and his disastrous mishandling and cover-up of the Epstein files, this man who personally interviewed convicted Epstein associate Glenn Maxwell before overseeing her very irregular transfer to a minimum security facility. And what's got to be the biggest screw you to survivors and manageable, that guy is probably about to be the Attorney General United States. Jess Michaels is an Epstein survivor who met with Todd Blanche last month after his nomination. She's the founder of her organization that addresses long-term harm caused by sexual violence. And she joins me now. Thanks for making time today on what I imagine is a pretty maddening day. First, just your reaction to the Bill Cassidy announcement. Well, it's maddening because we all woke up to Senator Lisa Murkowski saying she was going to vote no. So we actually had a brief period of time where we had hope. We were feeling confident that senators were going to do the right thing. And then we heard Bill Cassidy's speech on the Senate floor, and it was devastating, absolutely devastating. There was a back and forth about meeting with survivors. I believe you were one of them. And the way it went like this is Thom Tillis and John Cornyn were clearly trying to, quote, get to yes, which is to say they wanted to vote for Todd Blanche, but they wanted to show they were doing something. to get the votes. And so one of those sort of check-off items from Thom Tillis was for him to meet with survivors. And from the outside, it looked like Thom Tillis said, here's your to-do list. And Todd Blanche said, boom, check. And Thom Tillis said, great. How did it feel to you who was in that meeting? Well, it was exactly that. It was a checked box. He even seemed confused about why he was there with us. It's as if he could not take any responsibility for the egregious red actions that had happened, any responsibility for nude photos of victims being released. I mean, this is a man that's an attorney. He knows that that is against the law. So that one issue broke the law. zero responsibility taken for that at all. But then there was also just, there was an agreement that every FBI before him and had done a terrible job investigating this case, while at the same time saying,

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And there's nothing in here to investigate. So if you want to do anything, you're going to have to just bring us new information or go back to the FBI. And so at one point I said, Chris, so you're saying that if we find an investigative lead in the files, we should take that down to the FBI and point it out to the FBI. And he said, yes, do that. You know, of all the things that he's done, there's both the handling of the files. But to me, You know, I've read Julie K. Brown's book about Epstein. And in so many ways, the kind of original sin here is that first non-prosecution agreement that happens, the pleading guilty to local charges, allowing him to avoid a federal plea and to sort of part-time go to a local jail and the sort of what that meant for his reputation, what it meant for his ability to continue to prey on people. And the fact that Maxwell ends up getting a kind of all these years later, a sort of recapitulated version of that original sin by Todd Blanche. Just that's just for me personally. Yeah, it's the second sweetheart deal, right? It's the second sweetheart deal. And you're right when you talk back. This all started back in, well, of course, Maria gave her first report back in 1996. And then there was the deal that happened in 2008. And what I believe, and this is my opinion, what we're seeing and what we're seeing crossed Congress, is that don't look. That's the way that they say, well, I didn't, I didn't see anything wrong because you didn't look. We dropped off files with information going all the way back to that case at senators. And the senators that looked at it, like, for example, Senator Curtis's office, we met with a lovely staffer there. And she said, yes, I opened that file. I didn't know that much about this case. And even I looked at that and I thought, well, this isn't right. So if you look at the files and if you meet with us, you have to see that Todd Blanche is lying. So if you don't meet with us and you don't look at the files, you know, then they don't have to take responsibility. But what I think we can say for sure right now is that not looking at the files is no longer neutral. not talking to us is no longer neutral. And honestly, as somebody that's an advocate for sexual assault survivors, what we're seeing now on this national scale is what happens every day. Powerful people protect predators. It happens every day. So I'm going to say that there is no good reason not to look at the files. If you're saying you're going to vote on this man to be the attorney general of the United States. There's no good reason to not take a peek at the files given we've sent you files directly to your office. We have emailed file links to offices. So you can't say that you never received them, right? You can't say you didn't receive them. You have no excuse. And if senators vote yes, it means they do not care.

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They are refusing to look. And what I'd like to say is we have senators in Ohio and in Alaska and Utah that have said they care about this issue. So we're asking survivors to stand with us in those states. And please call their senators. Let's make a last ditch effort together to let these senators know that say they care about this. Let the constituents know that it matters to them. Senator Houston in Ohio is up for re-election this year. It's possible that, you know, weighs in as he thinks about this, although he says, I believe he's a yes, but we'll say you're right. Folks should contact their elected representatives. It's the only way to get through to people. Just Michaels, thank you so much your time, I really do appreciate it. Thank you for having me, Chris. Still ahead. The sneaky plan to use dark money advertising to basically trick American voters. Next. As we approach these midterms, we're going to have this big midterm election. There's this one really, really pernicious development in our campaign system, one that's getting worse. And it's the role of unlimited super PAC money, particularly in these primary contests before the nomination set. Because so much of that money, I'd even hazard a majority of that super PAC money, is not used to make an argument about the candidate or issues, but rather to try to trick voters into believing the opposite of what a candidate says or believes. All right. So here's what I mean. Here's an example. In Michigan's 7th congressional district, swing district, right, Democrats are going to field a candidate. The Democratic nominee, he won on Tuesday night, a guy named Will Lawrence, was the subject of attack ads from a super PAC, claiming that he is a Wall Street investor for owning a retirement account worth approximately $11,000. So the Crush MAGA PAC, that's a Democratic PAC, decided to launch a $532,000 ad campaign. against Will Lawrence, who is the progressive candidate. How do we really know about Will Lawrence? He says he'll stand up to corporate interests, but financial records show he's invested thousands in Wall Street, big oil, and data centers. He says he opposes dark money in politics, but he spent years running a dark money organization himself. And Will Lawrence claims to be a progressive. But he campaigned against Democrats and was part of a movement that helped Trump win Michigan. That's the real Will Lawrence. Crush Mega Pack is responsible for the content of this advertising. Okay, but here's the thing. That's totally and completely misleading, right? Will Lawrence was the progressive. He was the lefty. He was not a centrist candidate. He was the progressive. He's the co-founder of the Sunrise Movement, right? He was to the left of his party on many issues, including climate change. The people who paid for that ad think Lawrence is bad and want him to lose precisely because he is too far left and too progressive. They may even have really good faith worries that he would be a weak candidate in the general.

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And they could have run an ad making that case. But that is not what they did. No, what did they do? Instead, they spent money to make the opposite case, right? To try to trick voters. This guy says he's a progressive, but he has an $11,000 retirement account. And this isn't a one-off. This is like a pattern. We've seen it repeatedly throughout the primary season. In New York's 12th congressional district, there was a Democratic candidate named Alex Boris, and he became a target from pro-AI super PACs due to his past work in seeking to regulate advanced AI models, including this ad from the Think Big Super PAC. Meet Alex Boris. He's got a master's in computer science, but he's an expert in hypocrisy. He made hundreds of thousands of dollars building and selling the tech for ICE, enabling ICE and powering their deportations while making bank. Now he's running from his past while ICE is in our communities. But the facts don't lie, even if Alex does. Ice is powered by Boris's tech. Manhattan is smarter than that, and he should never, ever be in Congress. Think Big Pack is responsible for the content of the second. Right, so you heard it right there. This pro-AI pack was trying to paint Boris negatively as a collaborator with ICE because of his time working at the tech firm Palantir. Except, Boris says he did not work with ICE while at Palantir and that the company's ties to the agency contributed to his departure in 29. But the bigger picture here, right, is that Boris was the pro-tech regulation candidate. You want to regulate AI. The big tech AI interests wanted to defeat him for that reason. But they did not run an ad saying, We shouldn't regulate AI. In fact, tech regulation will kill jobs. No, no. They tried to trick voters into thinking that Boris was actually a pro-ice candidate, right? He was the candidate who was in bed with big tech rather than their foe. Then there was the Democratic primary in New Jersey's 11th congressional district where Congressman Tom Malinowski, a generally pro-Israel Democrat and a kind of centrist, was targeted by the United Democracy Project, Super PAC affiliated with APAC, after he spoke about conditioning U.S. aid to Israel. Again, instead of running ads about that, no, no, no, they accused Malinowski of voting to fund, quote, Trump's deportation force. In the special election to fill Mikie Sherrill's house seat, Tom Malinowski says he'll stand up to Trump. But hold on. In 2019, Tom Malinowski voted with Trump and the Republicans to fund ICE. More than $200 million for Trump's deportation force. 200 million that got us this? Democrats called Malinowski's vote a blank check for the Trump administration and a betrayal. We can't trust Tom Malinowski. UDP is responsible for the content of this ad.

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So that was a government funding bill. He did vote for. But APEC didn't care one way the other about ICE, right? That's not why they were opposing Tom Malinowski. They were opposing him because of his stance on Israel. And APEC went huge during this midterm cycle. I mean, New York Times analysis found that the pro-Israel lobbying group has more than doubled its spending on political campaigns, spending $67.2 million in 2026, much of his spent in Democratic primaries, while rarely mentioning Israel. I'll say that again. They're spending all this money, in some cases, record-setting amounts in individual races, tens of millions, because they don't like Democratic candidates' stances on Israel. That's the issue they care about. But they're not talking about that. They never tried to argue that the candidate's views on Israel are bad. Instead, they try to trick voters by waving around some other issue and saying they're pro-ice. The Times also found that between April 2022 and the end of July this year, APAC funded 109 TV and digital ads in American elections. And now APAC is weighing a second effort to defeat Michigan Democratic Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed after they already spent at least $32 million boosting Haley Stevens campaign. And that brings us to the next big primary, which is on this Tuesday, which is, you'll be surprised to hear, also getting flooded with Big Pack money. The right direction Wisconsin super PAC, which is tied to the Republican Governors Association, has already spent $2.2 million in quote unquote attack ads against the Democratic candidate in the governor's race, Francesca Hong. They are ostensibly criticizing her for being too liberal in what is very obviously a strategy to grow her appeal among Democratic primary voters. This has been a longstanding trick that people have used, right? A Wisconsin Democratic strategist told the New York Times, quote, every Democratic campaign for governor, including Hong's, should call this out for what it is, a sneaky, underhanded, blatant attempt to meddle in the democratic process. And this comes as Senator Bernie Sanders has declined to endorse Hong, though he's endorsed other progressives. Many Democrats in the state, and actually are worried that she may be an easier candidate to defeat against a Republican than her main opponent, David Crowley. That's especially true given that they're going up against a Republican candidate and Congressman Tom Tiffany who voted to overturn the 2020 election. Again, none of this spending, and there's tens of millions of dollars of it, has to do with people actually going into the public sphere and making the arguments they actually believe in. saying, hey, we should not regulate AI. Or Israel's our closest ally. We should support them with weapons and aid. Or data centers are great and are going to create jobs. Let's build more. No. Instead, we have ended up with a completely perverse system in which all the money goes into not making those arguments. Trying to trick people. It's disingenuous. It's insidious. It fundamentally insults voters who actually care about the democratic process and choosing their candidates.

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They are angry at Republicans at a certain extent, but the degree to which the voters are angry at the Republican Party is because of the Trump-shaped menace sitting in the Oval Office. So to go to your question of what I think about the degree to which he's starting to throw them under the bus right now, look, that's obviously typical Trump. Anybody who has covered him for the past 10 years of Trumpism knows that that's his modus operandi. Having said that, it is this weird thing where he and his people are kind of of two minds of this because they know. Trump and everybody else in the White House knows how bad it could get for them, or at least how drastically, politically inconvenient it could get if Dems take back. the House or even the Senate, particularly in the forms of various investigations that Democrats are already planning to launch against Trump's inner circle, his family, his business empire, the corruption, and the top ranks of his administration. We'll have more reporting at Zateau.com about this soon, but they have already laid the groundwork in the White House counsel's office and elsewhere to basically make it 2019. on steroids in terms of the Trump administration and his inner sanctum resisting a penis and trying to ward off that form of congressional accountability. In. A lot of the West Wing just expects it to be a foregone conclusion that Republicans are going to lose the House, maybe even lose it big. So they know how important it is for Trump and his agenda and for them to have some sort of air of political conveniences. They try to trudge through the final two years, hopefully final two years of Trump 2.0 for them to keep the house. But at the same time, Donald Trump is just authoritarian, egotomaniacal, and completely self-interested and corrupt. He's also lazy. He's also a very lazy person. And you see that kind of manifesting itself in the way that he is starting to instinctfully realize that a lot of these guys are lost causes. And do I really need to lift a finger for them if my West Wing is just going to try to tell the Democratic majority when and if it comes to take a hike the whole time for two years? Yeah, I think that's right. And particularly whether that $400 million he's sitting there is going to spend on them. The other big question, I think, operative on the Democratic side, aside from the sort of structural conditions, David. Is this sort of question of coalitional unity, right? Like, there have been a lot of very intense debates within the coalition, and it's stretching in some ways. Like, it's sort of stretching to its left in some places like Washington Nights, and it's sort of trying to stretch to its right in some places like Iowa or Texas. I want to play you the – there's a clip from Abdul Sait at one of the unity rallies, which I think happened today in Michigan, and get your thoughts on what you're seeing in terms of the feasibility of unity as we had now – from primary season to the general. Take a listen. In the spirit of unity, in the spirit of the work, in the spirit of coming together, I want to thank both of my colleagues who ran Haley Stevens and Mallory McMorrow for an incredible race. Their incredible public service to the state of Michigan.

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And I cannot wait to see what both of them will do next. We are so blessed to have that caliber a public servant here in Michigan. How do you think that's going, David? Good, good. The fact of the matter is I think that there's a lesson for Democrats to learn specifically from what happened out in, oh my good. specifically from what happened out in Michigan, where they came back together, despite a very vicious primary, and they unified. Because ultimately, that is what matters here. Democrats, despite our primary process and our differences, we are united on what matters most, which is that while, you know, we're getting through these tough primaries. Trump and the American people in particular are against his war in Iran. They're against high prices. They're against the fact that they're paying more for health care than ever before because of this big, beautiful bill that he has passed. And we will be united going into November. And the good thing about all of this is that this is a good thing for our party to go through. We lost young voters in particular by record numbers in 2024. And luckily, the thing that's prime... building a lot of the candidates, getting them to victory, is the excitement of young voters a key part of the Democratic coalition that we really do need to present new things to. And I don't just believe that it's time for us to present a new message to them. It's time for us to present new messengers to them in particular and show them that the party itself. has changed. And I think that that is happening. We're seeing the polling go better for young people and Donald Trump's approval go down. So I think in November, we will be united. And while there are people, of course, that I disagree with in some parts of our party and there's people who certainly disagree with me. Ultimately, we all do agree on what matters here, which is that Trump needs to be held accountable as do the Republicans. You know, quickly back to you, David, then I'll come to you soon. Final here. It was striking to me that there's not a single Democratic vote for Todd Blanche today, like, which does kind of drive home the point, right? Right. Exactly. You know, we do have a lot of divisions in our party. But thankfully, because of these primaries, we are offering younger voters somebody new. And we can unite and win back these young people and lead with an anti-corruption message. And I think, frankly, because of these primaries, in particular, you know, with Abdul being pushed, with Haley being pushed to see who can come out on top, we are in a stronger place to be able to win in November. Swin, quickly, 15 seconds. Trump is going to hug him. He wants a big convention. How much is he going to make the midterms about Trump? Oh, all about it. And there are so many Republican strategies you can speak at the upper echelons of the Republican Party who really wish he wasn't going to do that. But they're stuck with him. They're going full throttle. It's going to be a blast for Donald Trump.

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Yes, exactly. That's exactly right, Sasan Su-Sang and David Hogg. Thank you both. Stay tuned. In just a few minutes, Maryland, Congressman Jamie Raskin joins the briefing. We'll be right back. That does it for All In. You can catch us every weeknight at 8 o'clock on MS now. Don't forget to like us on Facebook. That's Facebook.com slash on with Chris. Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co-founder of Angie. And one thing I've learned is that you buy a house, but you make it a home. Because with every fix, update, and renovation, it becomes a little more your own. So you need all your jobs done well. For nearly 30 years, Angie has helped millions of homeowners hire skilled pros for the projects that matter. From plumbing to electrical, roof repair to deck upgrades. So leave it to the pros who will get your jobs done well. Angie, the one you trust to find the ones you trust. Find a pro for your project at Angie. com.