The Ron Verb Show - 5pm Hour Friday, 08/07/26

Ron Verb on News Radio 570 WKBN. All right from News Radio 570, WKVN and Ron Verbs. So Anthony Fauci is, you took the fifth too often and you liked Rand Paul and the people that were attacked and silenced during the whole COVID situation. Absolutely, and I have to say Dr. Anthony Fauci more than arguably broke the law in trying to ask for the Fifth Amendment on issues where he's received a presidential pardon, and that's exactly why the Senate has voted to hold him in contempt. He's taking the fifth where he has no criminal liability. He's taking the fifth on issues for which he was formally pardoned. And you can't have it both ways. But once again, Dr. Anthony Fauci doesn't want to take responsibility for locking down the country. He doesn't want to take responsibility for demanding masking and social distancing, all things that have been discredited by this point, it's really a shame that instead of having honest medical advice that relied on tried and true science and research, we had a power-hungry, self-obsessed narcissist in charge. And when you look at the excerpts from Dr. Anthony Fauci's diary, it's frightening, Ron. You're looking in the mind of a self-absorbed psychopath. Agreed. We're seeing on the Democrat side, the strangest people get winning these primaries, Democrat Socialists, is a category they fall into. What do you make of those candidates? And why do you suspect in the United States of America they're winning these... party elections. Remember that Nazi just meant national socialist labor party. Socialism is dangerous. It has killed countless millions of people over the ages. And if you voluntarily accept the term socialism, if you're not just being attacked, oh, he's a socialist, if you yourself claim the term, you're a dangerous person. But they're winning in the United States of America. It's as though people are saying they don't believe in capitalism anymore. We have young people, and I'd like to know your comments about it, that are they frustrated to say, listen, I'm playing by all the rules, I'm making some decent money, but I can't afford a car. They're $50,000 or a home anymore, or I'm just not able to make it anymore because everything is so damn expensive. that you hear from a lot of younger people. Fair argument to make. Is that why they're leading to these Democrats socialists and voting that way? I think so, but what folks are failing to understand...

is the reason prices are so high, the reason life has become so unfair is precisely because so many of these socialists have been elected. Real capitalism, true free markets mean a growing pie and rising tides that lift all of our boats. The reason we're having such a hard time is the socialists are raising our taxes, they're over-regulating us. and ultimately they're killing our economy. If you want to have a better life and more upward social mobility, we need capitalism. We need democracy. Socialism and communism are precisely the reason why countries die. It creates a permanent lower class for the dictator to rule over. And guess what? Your odds of being the dictator ain't great. Right. But take a look at New York City and who they elected mayor. It's unbelievable. It is, and they're already regretting it. I think that folks believe that socialism is just like a fair form of capitalism. They don't understand that it's essentially just a kinder, gentler name for communism. There's really not a huge difference between socialism and communism. They both end in the same place where the government ultimately controls virtually everything. and a handful of people hold all of the wealth. And once again, the odds of you being in that handful of elites are not very good. I used to joke with my communist friends, okay, you win, we'll have communism, but I get to be the dictator and you get to be the peasant. Oh, that doesn't sound so good? Well, guess what? Your odds of being the dictator are not in a country of hundreds of millions of people. You're going to be the dictator? You're going to be the one? No, you're not. Communism is only good for the handful of elites that rule society, and socialism is communism life. What did you think about the amount of money spent against Thomas Massie, and he was defeated as a congressman with a lot of special interest money coming into that district? I think that there are two very different narratives about the race with Thomas Massie, and I think that folks tried to emphasize one over the other. But I really think it's simpler than the narrative of he was fighting the powers that be. I think that Thomas Massie continued to vote against Trump's premier and most important legislation. Donald Trump did not endorse him for re-election, and he lost. President Trump has had a very strong record of winning primaries, and Congressman Thomas Massie just refused to vote with the president on his marquee legislation, and Trump said, we need somebody new in there. I really think it's that simple. The Thomas Massie that I admire is Brian Thomas Massie. I think Thomas Massie kind of got drunk on power, and he started voting like a liberal against President Trump. Do you think that as Trump lost his focus, as he lost putting the American agenda first, as we've gotten involved in this war with Iran and regime change and things that he said he spoke against when he was running? I mean, what are your thoughts about this Iran situation and the oil situation and the inflation that's coming from it?

Not at all. I think that President Trump has been remarkably consistent with his foreign policy, where other presidents have had long-term occupations, boots on the ground, armies marching across subcontinants. President Trump has always been a surgeon. He strategically bombs negative assets, and while there's... certainly a cost to that, both in human life and in money, compared to ground assaults. President Trump is a surgeon where other presidents have played general. And so I think that with Iran, we continue to see the Trump doctrine at play. He said, I am not going to allow you to have a nuclear bomb, and he stopped them. And the reality, Ron, is that if he did nothing, and a nuclear bomb went off in Tel Aviv or New York City, either one. Everyone on planet Earth would say, why didn't President Trump act? A few missiles could have prevented this disaster. Donald Trump did what had to be done, and now he's working to have a quick resolution to the conflict in Iran. In a world where most wars take years and decades, we're talking months. Once again, President Trump is a surgeon where most other presidents have played general. and I think you're continuing to see his policy succeed. The cost has been far less, and the benefit is incalculable because, once again, in a world with weapons of mass destruction, Ron, it takes one virus, it takes one nuclear bomb, it takes one dirty bomb to kill millions of people. And when you see Iran literally launch missiles at every surrounding country, including its allies, we realize... that they have no loyalties. They're not even really a government. They are a terrorist-run state, and they cannot be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Why is it not a reality to get this SAVE Act when it comes to voting passed by Republicans that are not, some that aren't supporting it and Democrats that are not? Why is it such a big deal to say you have to be a citizen and you have to have an ID to vote? And why hasn't that been successful in Trump getting it accomplished? I'll tell you why, Ron. 80% of Americans reliably support the SAVE Act and requiring... photo ID to vote. If you need photo ID to go on a plane or to tour the Barack Obama presidential library, you should have photo ID for the most important thing for the right to vote. 80% plus of Americans agree. Why hasn't it passed Congress? I'm not the first to say it, but I will say it loud and proud. The problem we have is half the Republicans are really Democrats and half the Democrats are really communists.

I got to digest that for minutes. But I think it's true. Are you a little bit disappointed that some of the executive orders that Trump put out have not been put into law that the Republican Party, though it's in charge, hasn't done more? I'm very disappointed because we know that there will be president. who disagree with Trump in the future. You know, it's the nature of living in a massive constitutional republic from sea to shining sea. And if you don't put something in the law, it doesn't have staying power because the very moment a president who disagrees with you comes in the office, they overrule every executive order. You know, Trump overrode pretty much all of Obama's executive orders. Biden overrode Trump's. Trump's overridden Biden's. I don't want the reforms that are protecting my right to vote and your right to vote. I don't want the reforms that are protecting our Constitution. I don't want those to be wiped away with a swipe of a pen. These executive orders should have been codified a long time ago. And you're right, Ron. We've got too many rhinos in Congress who secretly don't support our president. And while they're not brave enough to come right out and say it, We're seeing it in their actions and the fact that we just can't get this legislation through Congress, even though we have majorities in both houses. What are your thoughts about tariffs? I think that Donald Trump is the first president in modern history to push back on the loss of American jobs, particularly manufacturing jobs, to China and overseas. And tariffs are an important tool in the toolkit as part of that. I think the federal courts have inappropriately intervened on these issues. I think President Trump acted well within his presidential authority to levy these tariffs. And we saw incredibly positive results. Look how country after country came to the table and cut their tariffs, cut their fees on American products in response to Trump's policy. He has improved our trading position with the world, foundationally, in a way that no president before him has. Where Bill Clinton and company gave us NAFTA and we lost American jobs, the hollowing out in the Midwest, Donald Trump has been bringing the back. Unfortunately, his hands have been tied too many times by the federal courts, and frankly, those unelected judges should be ashamed of themselves because they're not just hurting President Trump. They're hurting the American worker who continues to be at a distinct disadvantage to countries that are using unfair trade practices, and frankly, even using slaves to compete with our workers. I'm sorry, folks, but they're effectively slaves in China and Africa working in factories and countries in human conditions, and then they say to workers in the United States compete with that cost. You can't compete with free. And we should not allow those products to compete with American products. How do we even in the playing field? You tariff those slave labor products and you don't reward a country for torturing its own citizenry. Do you think we're getting at a point? Like if, for example, if I stand in front of a judge...

politics shouldn't be a factor at all it should be what is what are the facts of the case what is the truth here before we render a verdict are we seeing a judicial system as a duke educated lawyer are we seeing a judicial system that's getting too political on all levels the and i'd like you to comment on the supreme court as well as the uh... local courts and courts in between are they getting too political as opposed to just doing a job of hearing a case and rendering a decision Unfortunately, yes. Now, the Supreme Court is in a league of its own. In theory, the Supreme Court is supposed to set new precedent. and hear cases of first impression. And so to some extent, you can argue the Supreme Court is inherently political. It always has been fine and fair enough. But what's disturbing to me is to see federal district court judges, to see trial judges who are supposed to, who have taken an oath to uphold the law, not make new law, not reinterpret it in their own image, but uphold the law. It is supposed to be a humble job, Ron. Being a trial-level judge is supposed to be humble. You read the law like any lawyer, you apply it like any lawyer, and you move to the next case. The promise we've had judges like Boseberg who've seen the opportunity to become celebrities by creatively reinterpreting the law. This is nothing new. Rush Limbaugh would talk about the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals because of their judicial activism. Well, guess what? It's gotten worse. It's not just the circuit courts anymore. Now the federal district judges have gotten the same idea. You know what people want? What average Jane and Joe Americans want? They want to be able to hire a lawyer who can read the law and say, this is how it's going to come out. There's supposed to be predictability. We're supposed to know in advance. Is it legal or not? I mean, if you can't even know what the law is, how do you know if you're breaking it? The problem is we have these activist judges who are just remaking the law as it's politically convenient. You don't even know what the law is anymore because it's become an amorphous blob. Once again, the Supreme Court has always been political, and there are strong arguments that it was created to be political. But we all expect trial judges to simply uphold the law. And unfortunately, you're right, Ron. It's gotten worse. A couple more questions. Break pending. A couple more questions. You got to a few more minutes? Absolutely. All right. I mean, I want to ask him a few more questions about the court system and maybe Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez being a candidate. We're talking with John Pleschnik, Commissioner from Lake County, Duke Law lawyer. News Radio 570, WKBN. With John Plushnick on News Radio 570, WKBN, when Biden said when he had to make his Supreme Court pick, I want to make sure I get a black woman. What I'm looking for on the Supreme Court is the brightest legal minds in the country to hear the case and rule based on our Constitution and our law.

It seems we're getting further and further away from that. I'm not opposed to conservatives because I think that's what conservatives try to do. They try to listen and judge it based on what the law is currently. But with the liberal judges, I don't get that impression. Do you have the same thoughts? I do. I do. And unfortunately, President Biden said the quiet part out loud. He wasn't really looking for the most qualified candidate. He was looking for the most politically convenient candidate. He wanted to get votes by... frankly engaging in racial politics, and he also wanted to promote liberal ideology. And unfortunately, in so doing, he completely delegitimized his pick for Supreme Court. And it takes away a lot of confidence of the American people to know that their highest court is being populated by people for political reasons rather than based on merit. Because we want the best person for the job. You know, you go in the hospital, if you want to make sure you have the best surgeon in the world, not someone who's going to get your congressman some votes or, you know, push a certain political agenda. It's really unfortunate that Biden brought racial politics into Supreme Court appointments the way he did. But once again, the liberal versus conservative divide goes even beyond that. The fundamental question is, should judges make the law or should they interpret the law as it stands? That is the most fundamental question in judicial philosophy. and ultimately when you look to the founding documents, when you look at separation of powers, it is very clear that our founding fathers intended the legislature to make the law, the executive branch to execute and implement it, and the judicial branch to interpret it. For the judge to make the law is the judge to usurp the role of the legislature and ultimately take power away from the people. Because federal judges are not elected, they are appointed. And we don't have the ability to vote no on a Supreme Court justice when they rule against what we think is right. The only recourse we have when it comes to the law is who we vote for in Congress. And it is unfair, then, to take away Congress's power and hand it to some unelected bureaucrat or judge. Well, you even have the Democrats talking about getting rid of the electoral college and expanding the Supreme Court for their political purposes. What are your thoughts?

From the A to Z Dependable Services Traffic. Now, Ron Verbe. On News Radio 570, WKBN. From News Radio 570, WKBN, 534. What a fascinating day it has been. I mean, to have Commissioner Plushnik from Lake County. And to start off the broadcast, to ask him, you know, tell me about your educational background or your background, to hear him tell that story of how he was homeschooled by his mother who just, I mean, really did terrific things as far as his education is concerned. And then to see him graduate Duke Law School at the age of 22. And then to go to go further on to become an accountant and a tax attorney, it's just his education is just really impressive. And to sit here and talk to him about his thoughts about property taxes and what he's doing in Lake County or what they're trying to do on a statewide level. It's just absolutely fascinating to me. And then they hear his thought process on so many of the other national issues outside of all of that. Well, what are his thoughts about all of this? You know, I sit here and I must tell you, I just, I sit here and I think, this is a brilliant guy. I mean, this is really a smart guy. And just an impressive individual. And when I often talk about how impressed I am, I think DeSanis is the best governor in the country. I think you'd make an outstanding president. And I look at the similarities between Plushnik and Ron DeSantis in the sense of Ron DeSantis is a lawyer, Plushnik is a lawyer. Ron DeSantis is a guy that reads. He doesn't accept what people are saying. He actually reads. He puts time and effort into it. And the one thing I've always learned, not to sound like, and I don't mean it to sound this way, not to sound like a pompous ass or anything, but the one thing that I learned in... Getting educated throughout the years. I mean, there was no choice in my household. I'd just tell you that right now. As I said numerous times, there was no choice. If you went to my mother and said you were going to drop out of high school, that choice didn't exist. I can assure you of that. As I've said numerous times, you know what the dropout rate in high school should be zero. It's the least we can expect of everybody. So the dropout rate should be zero. We expect you to go to high school and to graduate, whether if you go to vocational school and learn a skill or trade or whatever the case might be, that is the expectations that we should have for everybody. And so there is no escaping those expectations. I mean, to a certain extent, it's parenting. And when I talk to Plushnik, I just think of great parenting that has taken place there from the very beginning to create the man that I just got done interviewing.

But when I make the comparison, as I did to him, as I did when I was introducing him to Ron DeSantis and as I was introducing him as far as his educational background, the philosophies when it comes to governments and taxes that Ron DeSantis has as governor, it's the philosophies. It's what's in the man's soul and brain that has created such a great environment in Florida. and how he values the taxpayer and what's happening to the taxpayer and that the key of letting them keep more of their money. His philosophies, his philosophies and philosophies of Pleschnik are very similar. That was a comparison I was making. They're both very well-educated attorneys that have very similar thoughts when it comes to taxes and government spending. And I'm impressed with both of them. I mean, at some point, I'll probably reach out to Ron DeSantis and trying to get him on to the program live at some point. You know, he does have ties to the Youngstown area. So I think that that is doable at some point to have a conversation with him about his philosophies. Because as I played him to Plushnik, I just thought, you know, it's so refreshing to hear. what he has to say about all this stuff and that's why i make the comparison with what uh well i played him the one of the one to santis soundbite which uh i think is really spot on when it comes to his philosophies In Florida, and it's not just the state, the philosophies would apply anywhere you go. Let me play you that clip in case you missed it. That isn't what I'm looking for. Let me see here. I've got to find it. And I don't want you to hear it because it's just the thought process. And you don't have that philosophy around here enough.

with Ron DeSantis in Florida. It is really quite impressive. Let me see here where I've got to find it. Here we go. Just listen to this. All right. Just listen to a short clip of Ron DeSantis talking. What are you looking to do with property, Texas? Well, we're looking to give people relief from the high cost of living. I mean, we've had a major inflationary period in American history, one of the most inflationary, groceries, all these things. Who knows what's going to happen with oil? The one thing we control is tax. And so in Florida, local governments get property tax. We don't get at the state. We've got a plush rainy day fund. We've paid down half our debt since I've been governor. I've got all this great stuff. We're doing great. Local governments, when I became governor, we're taking in $32 billion. Now they're taking in $60 billion. So their revenues almost doubled in seven years. Why? Because they're assessing the values higher. And the values have gone up. And so we're saying, okay. If you're a Florida resident and you're homesteading your property, that's your primary homesteaded residents. We think that should be excluded. Now, that's about 30% of the overall property tax revenue if you just did it on day one. So it's got to go on the ballot in November of 2026. It would be something that would be phased in, most likely. But we could get to a point very quickly in Florida where 90-some percent are not paying anything. And eventually we'd phase in the elimination. So it can be done. And if we don't do anything. They're going to have $84 billion in revenue in 2013. So that's 12, 13 years to go from 32 to 84. So when people will say, you can't do it, you're not going to have any services, just ask them, did we not have schools and police in 2019 when they were taken in $32 billion? Of course we did. Now, give them inflation, give them population growth, give them a couple percent just for kicks on a Saturday night. That takes you at about $46 or $47 billion. It doesn't take you to 60. So how would you want to do that? Maintain the growth of these governments or give Floridians really historic property tax relief. So he, but I mean, what he says is basically, as Pleschnik has said, it's your money. And if we put more of your money in your pocket, that's good for the economy and that's good for you. And ultimately that can even create more tax dollars, you know, through sales, tax, through you spending it and what have you. The philosophy is in too many areas, government feels that you, the taxpayer, get the crumbs and they get the bulk of it. As Ron DeSantis says, in Florida, we feel you get the bulk of your money and government gets the crumbs. As I said to Pleschnik, for year after year, Florida spends more money this year than it did the year before.

spends less money than they did the year before, spends less money that year than they did the year before, not adjusted for inflation. So you can see that they're spending less money. You can see they're doing zero-based budgeting. This is what we have to strive for. And we don't see that here on this level. We don't see that from our commissioners. We don't see that from our, in many cases, our local government officials. We just don't see it. As they continue to get these astronomical increases, it's never enough. And they were hesitant to give you the doubling the homestead. exemption, if you will, to double that. They were hesitant to do that, even though they had a windfall of additional money coming in. Therein lies what the problems are. You're on here. Hi, Ron. He is smart. He is very smart. I was very impressed with his thought process and whatnot, and the education was... He's just a... He's a good man. Yeah, that's undeniable right there. That's no brain right there. But yesterday, you know, as I said, I'm not, when it comes to a socialist idea, there's a lot of that is, there's a lot of negative, negative when it comes to that also, there's also some positives in it. We have to learn to find a kind of a. A balance between those two where, you know, people can have the opportunity to... But I would say this to you, just with that being said. I can't, I don't need, I don't want socialism. I mean, for everyone that's bitching about this country, can I tell you nothing has been easy in life? I mean, no matter what course or what avenue you take, I don't think it's easy to go learn a skill or a trade. to become an electrician. It's like going to college. I don't think it's easy to become a good auto mechanic today. I don't think it's physically easy or mentally easy to become a good guy to drywall. I can go in through any number of these things. I don't think any of it is easy. It takes a lot of time, effort, and headache and heartache to do it. So, you know, I'm going to tell you, it was going through all those years of college easy? No, it was hard. And it was a sacrifice. And most people didn't succeed and graduate. They dropped out. Just as a lot of people drop out of the trades before they succeed on it. But as I've said to you numerous times, when I looked around at kids I went to high school with, they gave up their 20s to become doctors, 10 years of their life. I wasn't willing to do that. So they made a bunch of money. They deserve to make a bunch of money. That's capitalism in the United States of America. They made the sacrifice for that. I mean, as I'm older and how my life turned out, it has been unbelievable for me what this great capitalistic country has done for me. Unbelievable.

So I'm not into socialism. I'm in the saying it's up to you to grab the horns and run with it. Do the best that you can do. It's a great country. Let me move on. I agree with you. I only stayed in college for about two years, and I didn't commit to it, and I never had to the, I never had the passion to fulfill that. Well, it's a sacrifice. It was hard. I mean, I'm here to tell you. It was nothing that's, I'm not, I don't sacrifice just because I didn't go, you know, finish school. No, I'm just saying to you, it was hard, and that's why most people don't finish it. But I don't know how to explain this to you. There was no choice in my... There's also schools. I might have been an adult, but there wasn't a choice in my household that I would not complete the mission that was set out for me. My father and mother would not... If I dropped out of college, that was unacceptable, period. No, I bet it was unacceptable if my father wanted me to finish school and I didn't, I disappointed him by not doing so. Because on my epitaph, on my... My stone is going to say I've had the ability to do so much but to accomplish so little. Oh, I know. See, I don't mean it to sound that way because anything that I see is difficult and hard. I appreciate anybody that does physically hard work, and there's so many things beyond just the educational aspect of it that is. That's just hard work. I mean, it's putting an effort forth. Once again, it's not easy to be an auto mechanic. It's not easy to be an electrician. It's not easy to be great to finish cement. It's not easy to get up and get a CDL and drive. I mean, I don't know of many people that are successful that it was easy for them. I mean, that's, and I'm not trying to say anything negative to you at all. I'm just saying socialism. doesn't cut it. Don't punish those people. You've proven your point as far as your, which how you feel about it. And I respect that. And that's, even though I disagree somewhat on some things, but I'm not denying that that's what, that there's some disadvantages to everything. There's disadvantage is to capitalism. There's not as many as someone like, as communism is not, it's something that never works. You know, it's, it's, I'm not arguing that point. The point is that I don't believe that you should take out of somebody's pocket. He gives it to somebody else. I've never, never, never, I don't believe in that. I don't believe that that should be the case. But there's also, you want to be able to give. If I'm blessed, okay, I'm blessed to have what I have. Okay, whether through hard work or through luck or whatever. I'm running out of time. I don't want to live like they do in India with somebody starving on the street. I don't disagree with what you're saying to a certain extent. I don't disagree with it. But, you know, I have an older brother that's 10 years older that's much that is really who I admire a great deal in my world and who is extremely smart.

Just was always really smart and did very well in life. Well, that's because he put the effort forth and took a lot of chances. And, you know, he shouldn't be punished for that. Let me take some calls. I'll tell you what, you'll call me Monday and we'll pick up this discussion. You're on here. Ronnie. Yes. You said that you didn't want to be a pompous arse. Yes. I think you'd just fall into the general arse category. Well, thank you very much. Yeah. But I wanted to ask Mr. Plesnik, maybe Pleschnik 2028, 232, the blanket pardon that Biden gave, they're talking about no kings. If you could become president and then anybody in your circle could be pardoned for any crime for 10 years. That is, that's a king right there. I don't understand how this is even possible. And I wanted to ask him about that because, I mean, if Anthony Fauci was pardoned for a crime, he should at least be able to be charged for that crime, even though he knows he's going to be not, you know, he'll be pardoned at the end, but the United States should be able to see what he did to get the truth out. Right. What's just you? I agree. I'll ask him next time if I remember. Okay? All right. You're on here. You're not even going to remember what you had for dinner last night. As a matter of fact, I do remember what I had for dinner. I had Chinese. I had orange chicken and fried rice. Oh, that's great. Well, I'm not here in my wonderful kitchen. making up some wonderful sloppy shows for my granddaughter's birthday party tomorrow. I thought you'd like to know that. You're a listening audience. They're just dying to hear it. I know. Where are the helium balloons and all that kind of stuff for the party? Well, this is going to be at my son's house, so they're taking care of all that. You know what? I bet you, in all seriousness, just in my discussions with you, as I say, I'm fascinated by you. I bet you're a hell of a grandpa. I really do.

I'm not going to brag. But, yeah, I'm going to brag. I have a... Let me do my break. I come right back to you. I'll be right here. All right. I bet he's a hell of a grandpa, don't you? We might disagree sometimes politically, but he's a good dude. We'll be right back. I'm not great with words after a fight, and I'm sorry, wasn't cutting it this time. So I used Smile Tunes to write a soulful ballot about how she's always right. By the second chorus, the silent treatment was officially over. Visit SmileTunes.com and get out of the doghouse today. Looking to upgrade your home? Hey, BN. Ron, Verb from the Kingdom of Mahoning. Okay, I bet you're a hell of a grandpa. I genuinely do. You and I have our disagreements politically, but deep down, I think you're a good man. I tend to agree with you on that. I do. I'm glad you come out on that. You agree with me on that. I've been misunderstood a lot in my life, but I'm not a bad guy. No. Has life gone by quicker than you thought? I mean, when you look at how old you are now. Don't blink. Don't blink. That's all I can say. The last 40 have gone by as a... B-L-U-R-R, is it R-R-R, whatever. It's gone by as a blur. Are you healthy? I mean, overall, are you in pretty good health? Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I feel pretty good. I feel lucky, and my station in life, and, you know, my feet hit the ground every morning, and here I am. Are you enjoying your retirements? I am. I am. What is there about, I mean, after years of working and then not having to work, are you saying it's good not to be able to... It is. I said it before. I'm glad I don't have to wiggle my butt for nobody anymore. Nobody. I remember when my mother retired, she was a school secretary, she said, and she enjoyed her work. She said, my time is now mine, all of my time, to do what I want when I want on my schedule. There you go. Exactly. like going out and working in the yard. What I used to do is get it all done in, you know, a couple, three hours or on the weekend. But now if it takes me a week and a half, I don't care. When you look at your children who are now adults, are you happy with the outcome? For the most part, for the most part. But, you know, kids grow up to be adults and they have minds of their own. And what your religion, what your politics, what your... station in life, you would like, you know, I'm sure you have certain things that you would like them to follow. But it doesn't always work out that way because they see the world in a different way than you do. And I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. That's fine. They're adults and they can think on their own and... All right. One quick question with a quick answer. Would you, as you review your life, do you say one of your greatest accomplishments was your children? Of course. Yeah. Of course. Without a doubt. And you know what? I enjoy my time with you. It's short today, but you wrap up the week and you're just a good guy and a great grandpa. You have a terrific time tomorrow. Have a pleasant. All right. Thanks a lot. Take care. Thank you. As families get ready.