The Mark Arum Show 08-07-26 HR 3

No, I'll run this town to be near you. Welcome back to the show and a good Friday morning to you. No, that's what I'm supposed to say is 10. It's 11.04 on this extremely busy Newsday Friday. I'm thrown by the breaking news. We just heard there. Senator Bill Cassidy announcing he will vote yes to confirm Todd Blanche to head up the Department of Justice. Immediate reaction from the White House. Kevin Liptack in front of the White House live. And that obviously now includes Bill Cassidy as well, the president endorsing arrival in his. primary that, as you said, effectively ended Bill Cassidy's career. But it was, I think, important that at the very beginning of his speech, Bill Cassidy tried to put all of that behind him, saying that yes, he does have a history with Trump, but that it doesn't matter one bit. And the argument that seemed to resonate with him, aside from the one that Bill Barr made, which was that no one else was coming along that would be a better attorney general, was that an... A Senate confirmed individual in this position would just have more leverage to get things done than an acting attorney general. Because Todd Blanche could serve as acting for perpetuity. He had already been confirmed to the deputy role and the powers that were inflicted upon him as an acting attorney general. would be no different. So he could have served in this job for the remainder of President Trump's term. But the White House, the Justice Department, and others who are advocating for Todd Blanche were telling senators, including Bill Cassidy, that he wouldn't have sort of the stature, the credibility, unless he was confirmed into this job. And that seemed to resonate with him. Very, very strong. All right, Kevin Liptack live at the White House right now. Just reaction to the confirmation. Bill Cassidy. As, as Kevin mentioned there, President Trump endorsed his opponent. Bill Cassidy lost. His Senate career is going to end at the end of this year, the beginning of next year. And that led many to believe that, you know, he's living that YOLO life that he was not beholden to the president. But I'm going to play the audio again of Bill Cassidy announcing because we're all on the edge of our seat. Is he going to vote yes or no? This is not a referendum on President Trump. It is a decision regarding Mr. Todd Blanche in very specific circumstances. All considered, I will vote for Mr. Todd Blanche. I'll be criticized for this vote what's new, but the people of Louisiana can be assured that I worked hard to understand the issue and to make the right decision.

Is that a yield? All right. So again, there's Bill Cassidy. He votes. Yes, big win for President Trump. Big win for Todd Blanche. He has the votes now to head up the Department of Justice. Coming up in 30 minutes, we're going to talk to Ian Bick, a prison expert. I want to ask him what the future of the Gray family is behind bars. The father and son convicted in that deadly shooting in Appalachie Hyde. That's coming up in 30 minutes. Also we have a prize pack to give in 30 minutes. But we have a prize pack right now, Deborah. What do we have? Yeah, tickets to see Derek Huff, the dancing. with the stars host and everything. Legend. Legend. Yeah, Cobb Energy Performing Arts Center tomorrow, August 8th. All right. Eighth Caller to Darius at 404-872050. Caller number 824-872050 wins a pair of tickets to see Derrickoff tomorrow. Could receive the Mark Aram Show at 955 WSP. All right, we all know about Buckees. What a fascinating place it is. It's part gas station, part amazing food restaurant, part Walmart, part roadside. attraction. People get so excited when they go to Buckees, when we got new Buckees locations in here in North Georgia and all across Georgia. But Bucky's been in news recently, and it has nothing to do with their food or their gas pumps. It's about their logo, their trademarked logo. Very interesting story. And we're seeing these lawsuits bubble up around the country. Joining us on the Mark Aram Show, founder and lead attorney of Eric M. Peltin and Associates. Trademark Lawyer to the Stars, Eric M. Pelton, joining us live on the Mark Aram Show. Sir, good morning. Thanks so much for your time. Good morning. Glad to be here. I went to Buckees once. It was overwhelming. I enjoyed the brisket. The line to the bathroom was too long. That's been my only Bucky's experience, but I know there are Bucky's super fans out there. Is Buckees losing its luster because they've been going after the smaller mom and pop organizations for logo infringement? Yeah, they certainly have generated a lot of publicity around this issue with their trademark enforcement that I imagine they wish they did not have to answer to, and that their PR department and marketing teams didn't have to deal with. Similar to you, I've only made it to Bucky's once on a road trip, and it was quite overwhelming and quite crowded. But this hot water that they're fighting themselves into, you know, I would argue is really of their own making. For folks that haven't been paying attention to the story, what has Bucky's been doing when it comes to their signature logo? Yeah. So they have over the last year or two gone after several other convenience stores, gas stations, and other businesses that have logos. with other animal mascots in them. And I don't fault them for having a strong brand and for wanting to enforce the rights that they have in their brand and their trademark. Where it gets more tricky is where do those rights end. And so, for example, going after other convenience stores that may have a moose. in the logo. Or I think one had an alligator in the logo. And, you know, our consumers really going to be confused by this is Bucky's really being harmed by these other small business users of these logos? Probably not.

I would imagine part of this story, Eric, is that is timing, right? When did these other logoed gas stations come up with their logo? Was it before or after Buckees came up with their beaver? Right. Presumably these are all after, because if they had come up with them before, it's a much trickier or impossible case for Buckees to make. Now, there's a lot of gray area and a lot of nuance in trademark law, but generally, if somebody was using a name or a logo first, it's not going to be possible for somebody to stop that. Have we had any decisions by courts yet? I don't think we have. You know, the vast majority of trademark disputes end up getting resolved or settled because they're very expensive, because they take a lot of time, you know, and there's a lot of pressure on both sides, financial pressure and other pressure. So the vast majority of these things end up getting resolved out of the limelight and not in the public records. And sometimes it could get resolved where the business is allowed to keep. doing what they're doing. Maybe there's a limitation on expansion. Maybe there's a limitation on the colors they use or the fonts they use. Sometimes, of course, it could mean changing their name or making adjustments to the logo. Settlement could really look like anything. I don't have skin in this game, but to me, all right, if another gas station operator is using a beaver as their mascot, maybe, but you said an alligator, I don't see how you can go after someone using an alligator as their mascot. I would probably agree with you on that. Of course, the devil is in the details in any case. And the one thing that Buckees may benefit from in these cases is the argument that its name is famous, that its brand is famous, and its logo is famous. So when a mark achieves famous status under trademark law, it's entitled to greater protection. And so every trademark is entitled to protection against... a likelihood of confusion, but a famous trademark is also entitled to protection against dilution of their brand. And that's a more nuanced, difficult to define standard, but it allows someone like Apple or Facebook or Microsoft to go after uses. that may have nothing to do with competing directly with those brands, but would still impact. the value and impression of their brand because it could dilute it. Trademark attorney Eric M. Peltin joining us live on the Mark Airm show. Mr. Attorney, since I've paid for the hour, I'm going to ask a personal question if you don't mind. When it comes to trade, I don't know that I'm so unfamiliar with that world. But our associate producer, Vinny, has a trademark saying, heard, H-E-A-R-D.

Is that trademarkable? Can we do a Vini logo saying, heard? Or is that just too common of a word to try to trademark or license? Probably too common in the context of the radio show, you know, and in the context of other things. But anything has the potential to be a trademark. The more creative, the more distinctive it is. the easier and stronger protection that one's going to get. But, of course, my wife's in the restaurant industry. So, of course, herd or herd chef is like very common in the kitchen. But in trademarks, it always depends on the context. You know, so it depends on the context of how it's being used and what the goods and services are that it's promoting. If folks listening have a great idea, they want to trademark something, what's the first step that a layman should do to try to protect their intellectual creation? Yeah, absolutely. The first step is really to visit the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office's website, which is uspTO.gov. and to do some basic searching of the trademark database, make sure that that name, at least initially, looks like it's available. Now, that sounds easy to do, but it is more complicated because... a name might be taken for one field. You know, if there's a car parts manufacturer using the brand name XYZ, that might not necessarily prevent a restaurant from opening using the same name because they're not competing with each other, right? So it's also, the next step would be to work with an attorney to evaluate the name and to do a search. But really the foundation is coming up with a... distinctive creative brand name sets you off for success much, much better right from the outcome. Yeah, I'm just thinking like when Pat Riley trademark three Pete, right? That was brilliant. All right, so listen to the Mark Aram Show. Eric is giving your first three-hour consultation free. Is that the deal we've arranged? No. Anybody can feel free to reach out to us at our website at Ericpeltin.com. And we do offer free initial consultation. Oh, all right. Slightly less than three hours, but happy to talk. But, all right, so herd is not going to get trademarked. We know that for sure. Well, you know, I'd want to hear more examples of the context of it and know whether any other radio shows are using it. But if it was truly distinctive to your radio show, then maybe we could. You know, like Howard Sturd could probably register some of the expressions they use on his show. You know, I think it's possible that a radio expression could be registered. Baba Booie, for example. Exactly. Yeah. All right. Eric, great stuff, man. Really appreciate your time. Have a great weekend, buddy.

All right, you too. There you go. All right, Buckees in the news. Great stuff there. All right, there is a chance that we could trademark. Coupled with the logo, maybe. Coupled with the fan. And the bit. Her bit. No, I think you stick with one. I already got her done. Stick with her done. The T-shirt should be coming in. Very interesting. They see what Bucky's going to do. Hey, congrats to Georgia and May Reda. Our final pair of tickets to see Derek Huff tomorrow at the Cobb Energy Center, the Performing Arts Center. Yes, congrats. Your next chance to win coming up after the news at 1130, Deborah's got a pair of tickets to give away to the PGA Tour Championship. Without telling you why. Now, girl, if you only would. This sounds like a song that would play in Buckees. Happy 70th birthday to Michael Peterson, country legend. From Here to Eternity. Welcome back to the Mark. I'm show at 1123. We do AI stories ad nauseum. This might be the scariest AI story that has come across my desk, Deborah. And I'm not going to lie. I'm kind of freaked out about this one. I'm wondering why. Why did they have to do it? Why did they put it out there? So researchers at Stanford used AI to come up with 16 new functional viruses that don't exist before because we need new viruses. And this is not a computer virus. No, no, no. These are actual viruses. Biological. What, all right, hold up, Stanford. What the hell are these kids doing? I'm assuming kids. Students. Students. Why would they even try to come up with new? So basically their whole thing is saying these viruses actually target the bacteria that has become resistant to antibiotics. You know that we've talked about that in the past, like there's new, there's so many things out there that we don't have enough prescriptions to actually fight them. So they're trying to make viruses to fight off the other bacteria. So it's supposed to be. We're antibiotic research super bug therapies, but it just seems like it's going to go bad. We had a pandemic six years ago. Like there's enough viruses on the planet now where you don't need to create 16 new ones. Now, there's no chance that these are actually going to be created or leave the lab or... So it does, I don't know, I don't have any information on that, just that they're using it for biosecurity warnings. synthetic organisms. It's scary to me. Yeah, expelled. You get expelled for so many things in school. I think creating 16 new viruses. that were never before on the planet is worthy of expulsion. Very scary AI story there. This is an interesting story. President Trump says the U.S. military has massive amounts of munitions available. That in response to reports that the war with Iran has depleted stock of munitions, particularly air defense missiles. One official, speaking to ABC news, characterized the levels of defense missiles as being, quote, extremely low ABC's Luis Martinez covering the Pentagon. There have been some public estimates that maybe the...

The U.S. had about maybe 2,500 Patriot missiles at the start of this conflict with Iran. We have heard from at least one U.S. official who says that the U.S. has gone through at least two-thirds of that. With regards to the THAAD missiles, we've been told that maybe more than half of the missiles that were available at the start of the war have been depleted or used against Iran. Strong denials from the President and the Pentagon, and President Trump said the leakers of this should be punished. I don't doubt we've used a lot of munitions in Iran. I don't think we want our adversaries knowing that our stockpiles are depleted, right? God forbid we have to, there's another active warfront somewhere. But we said yesterday, like going back to World War II, where in the middle of World War II, everyone ramped up to production of everything. Whatever, whatever munitions or Patriot missiles or drones that are manufactured in the U.S., they should be on 24-hour... production at this point right even though even the war of Iran might end tomorrow but I think to at least to restock our supplies there should be 24-7 building of rebuilding of our munitions Interesting story. Again, the president and the Pentagon both tonight. All right, news weather and traffic coming up next. When we get back, your final chance to win a pair of PGA Tour championship tickets at Eastlake and very excited. Prison expert Ian Bick is going to do. Are you just playing this again, Vin? The rotator isn't rotating. Understood, understood. Ian Bick's going to join us. I want to ask him what life behind bars is going to be like for the grays. convicted in the Appalachy High shooting. All of that straight ahead on the Mark Aram Show. He packed in the animals two by two. 1137 on the Mark Aram Show before we hit our top local stories and joined by a special guest. We have a final pair of tickets, Deborah, to give away. Yeah, round one of the PGA Tour Championship at East Lake Golf Club, August 26th. Darius, I'm sorry, but this is our last pair of Tour championship tickets, so I'm going to make the listeners earn this one. 44th. Caller to 404. I'm sorry, Darius. Dang. Caller 44 to 404-872-075. 44th caller to 404-872050 wins a pair of tickets. Our final pair to the PGA Tour Championship at Eastlake, courtesy of the Mark Aram Show and 955 WSB for decades now on this program in various time slots. I've been fascinated, nay, scared of going. to prison. I think it's because of the TV show Oz and the fact that if I were incarcerated as a husky white Jewish fellow from Connecticut, I don't think the Aryans would accept me. I don't know where I'd fit. I don't know who'd protect me. That my obsession with this is probably why the algorithms pumped our next guest into my feet. And I'm really glad they did. Joining us live on the Mark Am show, host of Locked in with Ian Bick, the aforementioned Ian Bick. Ian, good morning. I really appreciate your time, my friend.

Hey, Mark, thanks for having me. I actually didn't watch Oz ever. It was too old for me. Yeah, well, maybe if had you watched it, you would not have been incarcerated. Let's start there because you host this amazing show, and I'm addicted to it, talking with prisoners, prison guards, wardens, et cetera. But you have a background. You actually spent time behind bars. Yeah, I did three years in federal prison. Some of that time was actually in Danbury, you know, in Connecticut, where Orange is the new blacks based off of. Yeah, and home of the Danbury Mall as a Connecticut native. I finally remember the Danbury Mall. So I guess that inspired you to do this show, which I find wildly entertaining. Thank you. I appreciate it. But yeah, basically when I got out of prison, I worked out Whole Foods for three years. And then my friend said, hey, you got to start sharing your story on TikTok because of, you know, Tiger King and COVID. This world of prison TikTok and prison YouTube exploded. So I just sat in my car on lunch breaks, you know, sharing stories from prison. And that eventually got old. And I converted it into a podcast in 2023 and then left Whole Foods completely. have been doing this for the last, you know, almost four years. Yeah, it's real, I mean, I've done segments on it. I've had prisoners call in, but you've taken it to the next level. All right, before we get to the local store, I want to talk to you about, how would I, as a husky, middle-aged, white Jewish man, what would I do in prison? Because the arians aren't going to have me. Could I go to the Mexicans, the African-American? Like, how would I survive in prison? I think it really depends what prison you go to. If you go to a low or a camp or even maybe a medium, the Jews in federal prison really run the place. They have like their own group. I actually have a Jewish doctor interview that went to prison for 15 years coming out next week. And he describes being like the head of that crew. throughout his time. They have a lot of poll with the rabbis and Otisville where like the celebrities go is ran by a lot of the rabbis. How about that? Now, again, I'm not putting it out there that I want to, but that gives me a little hope, God forbid, if I have to spend time behind bars. All right, the reason I wanted your expertise on the show, Aaron, in 2024, there was a horrific school shooting here in the Metro Atlanta area at Appalachie High, and the school shooter was convicted and he's going to spend the rest of his life in jail. and his father was convicted of murder. He's going to... be spending in time in jail because he supplied the weapon that was used in this. And it's the Gray story, the Colton Collin Gray story. I don't know if you've been following it. But I've been very curious ever since the sentences were handed down, knowing your podcast, I know how child molesters are treated behind bars. But unfortunately, we have a new level of prisoners, school shooters that are now in prison. How do you think school shooters and a school shooter's father is going to be treated behind bars?

The father himself, I've been following that. I don't think he's going to have too much of a hard time, but I think that the kid himself is going to be interesting. I actually interviewed a school shooter in New York who did 20 years. He didn't kill anyone, but he hurt a couple people. And he's described his experience as fun. Like they accepted him, and he wasn't treated badly as opposed to, say, like a sex offender. A lot of these high profile school shooters or inmates in general are kind of housed in solitary. I mean, look at the Brian Coburger case. He is stuck in solitary all day. So I don't know how much interaction he would even have with others, but hurting children in general, which is why people are so against sex offenders in prison is an absolute no-no. So I don't think that if he is allowed into general population, he would have the best time. Yeah, that tracks for me because, you know, harming children, right, after watching your stuff knowing, like, if you harm children and you're locked up, you are enemy number one of your fellow inmates. And while this wasn't a crime of a sexual nature, he literally killed children. So I, in my first initial reaction was like, this school shooter is going to be at the bottom of the totem pole when he gets to jail. Oh, yeah, 100%. I don't think he went to federal prison. I think he would have an easier time in federal prison, but in state, state is a lot more ruthless, especially with gangs and how inmates are treated that harm children, too. And I'm sure the guards aren't going to be too happy with him either. Yeah, that's a good point. The guards are critical to your experience when you are in jail. Ian Bick, joining us live on the Mark Aram show. So the dad, Colin Gray, only the second parent to be convicted in a school shooting. The first was a couple in Michigan. I don't know how they're faring, but you think as the father and spending over 15 years behind bars, you think he won't have that difficult of a time from his fellow inmates? I don't think they're going to target him unless there's a family member of someone that passed away that's in prison. Oh. But even so, I've interviewed people where they've encountered someone that killed or hurt one of their family members in prison, that would they were related. And then there's usually some type of confrontation. But there's no way they target him as much as they would target his son in that matter. Is there a chance that the prison gangs or cars, if you will, will approach either this father and son and try to welcome that in? The kid, absolutely not. I've never heard of anyone welcoming in a school shooter. I've heard of like terrorists or accused terrorists in say like that maximum security prisons being with gangs or certain members. But I don't, I've never heard of a school shooter. The father maybe has a chance to run with, say, a white group of people. There are a lot of crazy individuals out there. So, you know, nothing really surprises me.

I'm assuming most of the listeners of the Mark Aram show, law abiding, will probably never wind up in prison. But final quick question for you, Ian, if you have to go to federal penitentiary, what's the best place to land? What's the worst place to land in your experience? I didn't personally go there, but they said the best place is Otisville where a lot of like the celebrities say Mike the situation, Billy McFarlane went there. That's a camp. I went to Oxford, Wisconsin, which was pretty sweet. That's like club fed. Worst place, I would probably say the maximum security prison in Florence, Colorado. That's pretty bad. That's where they keep the supermax. The supermax, yeah. Have you ever interviewed someone that was at the Supermax? Yeah, I've interviewed a couple people that have passed through there or, you know, we're just so misbehaved in prison. They work their way over to there. But they only stay there for a little bit of time. Interesting. All right, Ian, I really enjoy your stuff. For the folks listening, where can we watch your podcast, listen, social media, guide the listeners. They could just go to Ian Bick.com and that's a link to Spotify, YouTube, Apple, all my social media, whatever they like to consume it from. And I got it up on my own, all my socials. It's Ian Bick.com, I-A-N-B-I-C-K. Ian, really appreciate your expertise and your time, my friend. Yeah, I appreciate you, Mark. Have a good day. There you go. All right, so Otisville, Deborah. If I ever, that's where I want to go. He said that you have a good chance there. The rabbis run Otisville. I don't want to wind up in the supermax. Again, if I have to go locked up, I'm sorry, I want solitary. I want solitary. Is Darius still screening calls or we have a winner? Oh, Sandy from Dicula. Sandy from Dicula. I'm so sorry, Darius. You're going to get started the show. Don't worry. Sandy from Dicula won our final pair of tickets to the PGA Tour Championship, courtesy of the Mark Aram Show, 955 WSB. 1153, the Erie. theme song to The X-Files. I recognize the song never once saw the show. Not a single episode of The X-Files. I watched it sporadically and everything that I did I liked. Is it worse that I've never seen The X-Files or Toy Story? Toy Story. Toy Story. Toy Story or Shrek? Toy Story. Ooh. All right. Anyway. No, because he loves Eddie Murphy. I do love Eddie Murphy. David Duchovny, star of The X-Files, turns 66. I love DeCovine in one of my favorite shows, the Larry Bernie Sanders show. He had like a three or four episode arc. It was hilarious. Anyway, David DeCovny turns 66. The big breaking news, you're heard live here on 955. USB. We were questioning the future of Todd Blanche Bill Cassidy, the Republican senator, it was the final yes or no to determine what Todd Blanche. his future would be. This is not a referendum on President Trump. It is a decision regarding Mr. Todd Blanche in very specific circumstances. All considered, I will vote for Mr. Todd Blanche. I'll be criticized for this vote. What's new? But...

The people of Louisiana can be assured that I worked hard to understand the issue and to make the right decision. So Todd Blanche, I yield. You yield. Bill Cassidy, who lost his reelection because President Trump endorsed his opponent, still voted to confirm Todd Blanche. A big win for the president and Todd Blanche. This also broke during the show, didn't have a chance to discuss it, Deborah. Federal Appeals Court panel ruled that President Trump's construction of the White House ballroom is... Illegal because Congress never authorized the ballroom construction or its funding. That just breaking. The news team will be all over that and give you an update. Finally, Deborah, a couple of quick stories here. Organ donors. I'm an organ donor, got on my license, but an organ donor group has been shut down. Yeah, the government had to shut down this group, or they're decertifying this Kentucky group. They're called Network for Hope. So basically they're saying that this group kind of pressured doctors into convincing their patients to go ahead and do organ donation, even if there were signs of life. Normally, you have to wait for a certificate of death to be brain dead. make the decision of if your family or if you're an organ donor, what to do with those. But say things were critical, it didn't look like they were going to turn around. This group would specifically be like, hey, we could use those organs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they were just certified. That's good. I am still in the market for a new car. Do I wait till the Ford Fathom comes out? I'm intrigued by this. This is like a pickup truck, EV Ford and affordable? Yeah. Are you a truck? You're not really a truck. I enjoy driving pickup trucks, especially stick shift. I don't really have a use for them, but I enjoy. I feel more manly driving a pickup truck. That's all I've ever driven. But a truck, Ford's got a new truck coming out. It's got all the fathom, and it's an electric mid-sized truck. So remember, they tried to do an electric F-150. It's too much power for a truck that big. So they're kind of downsizing. And the good thing, it's actually going to be under $3,000, which you cannot find a truck under $30,000 these days. Because I can't afford a new car and to continue to get breakfast for Vinny every day. That's true. So it's one or the other. Sorry, Vin. I got to get a new car. Now you know, because of the Mark Aram Show. The United States, of course, is involved indirectly in those talks. They know what the terms are. They're making their demands clear. The question is whether the Iranians will agree to it. A lot of moving parts in the Iran War. That was Jordana Miller from ABC. Join us in Jerusalem. Ongoing negotiations between Iran and Oman about the future of the Strait of Hormuz and the Houthis now acting up in the region. Now you know. We're an ice agent tried to board a Southwest flight to make an arrest. Instead, that gate agent refused to let ice board without a judicial warrant signed by a judge. Interesting stuff there from Marcus Espinoza from News Nation. Southwest preventing an ice agent from boarding a plane to arrest someone under suspicion because...

They did not have the proper warrant. Really interesting story we'll follow there. Now you know. If you go by the old rule, the standard for either rent or owning a house, don't pay more than 30% of your monthly income for the roof over your head. And that means your household income should be about $110,000 per year. Problem is, typical household income is about $83,000 a year. Sobering story from Rory, yeah, the average income needed to buy a typical home. home 110,000. The average household income, though, only 83,000. And that is a problem. And now, are you guys ready for the Mark Aram Starfish show? I'm giving one to Ian. Ian Bick. We have a prison expert now. And he said I'd survive in Otisville. I could survive in Otisville, which gives me a little. Not that I am planning to, God forbid, but Ian Bick. Darius had to screen 44 calls to give way our tickets. Debra did a great AI picture of Vinny as Hugh Hefner. It's up for his birthday tomorrow. It's up on my Instagram story. At Mark Aram, M-A-R-K-A-R-U-M. Deborah, fantastic job with Down South Heff is what I'm calling him. And Vinny's birthday's tomorrow. And we'll give one to Judd, whose birthday is tomorrow as well. So those are all everyone but me. basically getting a star of the show today. We'll be celebrating Vinnie's birthday tomorrow with the listener lunch, but I'm going to be up on social. In fact, I'm posting pictures, so make sure you follow me at Mark Aram, M-A-R-K-A-R-U-M. Stay safe. Have a great Friday, Atlanta. I'll be with him. I know you will. Oh, let me night train in Georgia.