Guests - Josh Jacobsen, Betsy Smith, Dr. Carol Lieberman

Well, I don't know about you last night, but it was thundering and lightning, and it's that lightning you get when it's really hot, and it's like a light show. I was seeing that as I was coming home from the Congressman Siskamani, Speaker Mike Johnson event, and it was great to have Speaker Mike Johnson here. And my guest today, Josh Jacobson, from Tucson Crime Free. And, you know, we were talking off air before we came on. And yes, Mike Johnson does an incredible President Trump impersonation. It was lovely. Yeah, the funny thing about Speaker Johnson is I think that if he wasn't in politics, he could be a stand-up comedian. And he's got, you know, obviously stories about Tucson. Did he tell those last night about how he was a... Like a traveling book salesman in Tucson? No, he did not. So tell us, I don't, I haven't heard that story. Um, if, hopefully I don't butcher the story, but he was here selling like encyclopedias or something. Last week, too where he's money for the victory fund? Yeah, right. Just kidding. I mean, that shows you how long ago that we're talking about selling actual encyclopedias. Yeah. I remember when my family bought our set of encyclopedias, it was like my, my parents' prize possession. They cost hundreds of dollars. It was, it was like before we had computers and you could Google things and ask questions. and you actually had to look it up. Yeah, it was the whole thing. So he was here during the summer going door to door. And as I recall, he had no idea about the dry heat we have here. And he ended up getting heat stroke on somebody's doorstep. And they had to bring him in and nurse him back to health. So he has fond memories of Tucson. And he's just, he's hysterical with his impersonations and his talking points. And he was here to support. So Jay Feely was here last night from District 1 in Congressman Siskamani. They had four appearances up in Maricopa County yesterday, and then they came down here. It was a packed house. They did a great job for Congressman Siskamani. And really what he did is he laid out the extremism that is going on, which is going to lead us to where we're supposed to go today, about what's happening in our... cities in our counties, but the person running against Congressman Siskamani, and not to drag you into a political conversation, Josh, but... Happy to do it on this one. Okay, good, good. It's, you can't have... One of the things she's said is she wants to legalize prostitution for transgenders. You don't want to legalize prostitution for anybody. Having been in that world for 15 years fighting against exploitation, trafficking, the organized crime that's around that because when they're selling people, they're selling drugs. You just can't give a pass in one area.

And how demeaning to people that are transgender is that that's their only value is to sell themselves. Like, I don't know what kind of mindset that is, but I don't want that person representing me in Congress. I mean, it's so absurd. Yeah, it was an interesting conversation when she made that statement. And really that came from her being part of an interview where the guest was talking about transgender folks not being able to be gainfully employed. And sometimes their only method of making money is prostitution and how that needs to be decriminalized. And it is a, it's a very strange notion that somebody running for Congress would support that talking point. But the other thing is we know. that she is a defund the police type of person. She's got deep ties to funding from defund the police groups. And we know that that's something that we don't need in this area. We actually need more funding for our law enforcement. You know, as we know, roughly 90% of the TPD budget goes to... personnel costs and so that that leaves a small amount of money left over to actually outfit police cruisers and all of the other, you know, gear that they need, body cameras that's so important. And so people should be aware that Congressman Siskamani has brought, I believe, four, four and a half million dollars to the district to pay for, for new police cruisers for TPD. He did that back when Casmar was the chief. Yes, yes, he did it when Chief Casmar was there, was he still was there because he was a great police chief. But, you know, on top of that, When we were looking at the outcome of the primary election, one of the races, Tucson Crime Free Coalition was really focused on because we are nonpartisan was the race between Hernandez and Perez, Alma Hernandez and Roque Perez. The reason that we were interested in that. For the legislature. For the legislature. Okay. The reason that we were interested in that race is because, well, Alma Hernandez has supported a lot of the bills. She's been a great partner for us to work on up at the legislature. As people know, you know, when you're at the legislature, you've got to find the needle thread between both parties. And she's been a great ally. We don't agree on everything. She doesn't agree on everything we say. But she's still been very supportive. That being said, her challenger was Roque Perez, who was the pick of Mayor Romero. Yes. And that whole, as they're saying publicly now.

uh la machina the machine and you know they're they're wearing that like a badge of honor and and maybe at this point they should because they have built something up and you know people have called it that for you know all these years now i think they've called i think they're calling it they used to call it the grahova machine the grohama machine but now it's you know the coin thing so um in the in the democrat primary alma hernandez was able to overcome all of the support that Roque Perez was getting from Mayor Romero. So the way this ties into Juan's Challenger, Congressman Siscomani's Challenger, is Mayor Romero has come out and she's publicly endorsing Congressman Siscomani's Challenger. And people in CD6 need to know that anybody Mayor Romero is supporting right now is a hard pass, a no-go. Yes. We would just have another extension of what is happening in the city of Tucson going throughout CD6. So, you know, for the folks in Cochise County, Pinell County, the rest of CD6. Graham Greenlee. Graham Greenlee. Yeah, it's a, it's a big district that Congressman Siskamani represents. And we need to keep him in that spot. Geographically is the fourth largest in the country. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. You should drive it sometime. Over. I had a wonderful truck and campaign, but it is a large district, and Congressman Siskamani, to your point, Josh, has brought lots of money into the district and for good things. And he is trying to support economic development. But crime is a part of that. Like if you have a lot of crime and businesses are looking at two cities that can offer similar employment, whatever, they're not going to go to the place where the crime is higher, where the roads are bad, where the homeless situation, you know, and all of those contribute to the crime. That's right. We have to remember in the latest economic development report from the, you know, the U of A, the map dashboard, it shows that Tucson, we are the only peer city for our Western states that posted a negative job growth. We were down half a percent. And so everything that you're talking about, Kathleen, it's all about our economic development. Many people know that Tucson is poor. We've got about 20 percent poverty rate. We've got crime. We've got bad roads. And when site selectors are looking at, you know, can they come to Tucson or can they go somewhere in Maricopa? All of the development is going to Maricopa County. And of course, we don't want to be Phoenix, but we do want opportunity for our younger generation. We're watching U of A shrink. Enrollment is going down. So we've got some problems that we need to pay attention to because what is happening slowly but surely we're watching our property taxes increase. We're watching our water rates, not specifically the usage, but the taxes and fees that go behind that.

increase. We've got differential water rates. We've got... Yeah, I live in the county. I'm a victim of that. Yes. So, and our costs of goods and services are going up in Tucson. It's really interesting when, you know, you travel outside of Tucson and you go, you know, to a pier city or even San Diego. Sometimes you're getting stuff cheaper in these other markets because it's just getting so expensive to live and do business in Tucson. So as our population shrinks, as it gets... more poor. And we are shrinking, by the way. We're not, we're not growing the way that the rest of the state is. No, Pinell County is growing. Mesa is about to overtake us as the second largest city in the state of Arizona. Yes, they are. So these are the issues that we should be paying attention to if we're looking at affordability and income earning potential going into the future. Because right now, it's just getting more expensive for those of us that are staying here. Exactly. And I'm seeing more for sale signs than I've ever seen in a very long time. So we're going to take a break. We come back. We're going to continue this conversation with Josh Jacobson, one of the hardest working guys I know here, fighting crime, but making us aware of the policies and what we're doing and the politics that can make us safe or not. You're listening to Win Tucson here on 1030, The Voice, your trusted local news and talk. We'll be right back.

Welcome back to When Tucson, we're talking to Josh Jacobs, and we have as much fun when we're off the air as when we're on the air. So... We recently have had a string of crimes. And I think the most egregious thing to me was the shooting, well, there's two things, both the murder of the one woman recently. And we can come back to that. And then the shooter with the nine victims here in Tucson. And the night that happened, the shooting victims didn't all get treated. There wasn't enough room in the emergency rooms. illegal immigrants and other people that were there's just they couldn't handle nine people so god forbid we ever have anything extreme and that was pretty extreme that became national news uh the shooter obviously a convicted felon shouldn't have been out on the street uh do you think that that's a kind of situation that could repeat itself Oh, 100%. And when you, when you zoom out and you look at that situation, and, you know, we can almost start from the beginning because it's, it's just a sad, tragic, yet predictable Tucson story. So here we've got a kid. And this is just an analysis. This is not an excuse for anything. This is not making, it's not okay what happened. But just looking at it from the beginning, you've got a kid whose parents weren't in the picture. They were both incarcerated. They were drug addicts. He started getting in trouble at the age of 12. He didn't finish high school. There were a lot of issues here. And then when he's 19 years old at 445 in the morning, In 2024, he's at a car wash. That's a hangout area on, you know, parts of town now kids, they go, they cruise in and they hang out. And the car wash worker was there and said, hey, guys, you got to go. And so there was an altercation that took place. Somebody, I believe, assaulted the worker. But then the kid that we're talking about took out a rifle. The car wash worker ran to the median. Our guy, the shooter, takes his rifle out, puts a laser dot on his chest from the site of the rifle and then fires a shot. This is all on video. And this is before the... This is an incident that incurred in 2024. So in 2025, when he ends up going in front of the judge, the Pima County prosecutor, Laura Conover's office... reduced his charges, gave him a plea, took all of the serious charges off of him. Would she blame the judge, Josh? Well, we'll get there. And the judge, the judge does have accountability in this as well. So, you know, with the Pima County prosecutors being in front of the judge, giving this plea deal, they took no position.

at sentencing. This should have been a case that the kid should have gotten two to nine years theoretically in prison for he fired a rifle at somebody on video. Yes. You know, like this is, this is somebody. And I take it that person didn't die. No, he didn't, he didn't end up hitting the person, but he fired the gunshot. So, you know, it's, it's assault with a deadly weapon. It's firing a firearm within city limits. And these are all cases that have serious, they have serious offense behind them. You know, they're strong felonies. The other interesting thing is, is when the prosecutors, when they're looking at an individual, they have, it's a matrix that they can put people through that identify all of their background, their demographic, and they can show what kind of a rating this person has to be dangerous in the near future. And what was the rating? I believe it was, well, it was on the high side. Shock. I'm so surprised. But all of that. was it was ignored and so the prosecution i'm not surprised by that either josh yeah they took no position at sentencing they left it up to the judge the judge is saying well you know this is really a strange circumstance. I don't know what to do with you. You've got people. You've had a hard life. You've had a hard life. You've got community support here. You know, his employer wrote letters on his behalf. There were people that were saying that he was a good kid. Oh, and by the way, he was, you know, intoxicated at the time this event happened. So as a result, he didn't get prison time. He didn't get jail time. He didn't get intensive probation. He got simple probation. Don't get in any trouble. Let's not see you for the next four years. So the reason that we say that this is a very sad, predictable, and tragic situation is because clearly you have somebody spiraling, somebody that's not making good decisions. This is the opportunity for the justice system to intervene. And. Perhaps had they at least given him intensive probation or at least had him maybe sit in jail for a little bit, maybe two to nine years wasn't right for this situation. But maybe a couple months. Something rehabilitative. Something to get his attention. Yeah. What you did is you gave him pretty much a pass to go out and do it again. And look, he went out and did it again. He went out. He did it again. And now he had nine victims. Critically injured. nine people, he himself was shot, and he himself will be going to jail now or prison now for a long time. And so that's why we say, you know, this could have been potentially avoidable. But then you, at the same time, you have Mayor Romero coming out and saying, this is a reason we need stronger gun laws. This is why we've got to, you know, crack down on the Second Amendment. And the issue there is, is.

This gentleman was already a prohibited possessor. He should not have had a firearm. We just need to enforce the law. We need to enforce the law. You know who criminals get guns from? Other criminals. He legally shouldn't have had a gun. Legally shouldn't have had a gun. So the second amendment worked just fine. And the laws worked just fine. And the mayor uses a horrific situation that happened in her city. and doesn't take it doesn't say boo about the victims she turns around and uses it as her anti-gun and then they parade god bless her gabby giffords up there it was appalling appalling to me that they would in that moment because gabby was herself a victim of shooting from a crazy person who was on to your point on the radar for uh Sheriff Dubnick. He knew about Jared Loeffner. This is the problem. If you know that someone is dangerous and you know that they have the potential to do this in there, and now you tell me there's this greater metric. Mm-hmm. And we're not applying all that. Do you really want these people to continue to be in charge of crime? I mean, because Tucson, you know, I think the, I don't know if it was you that told me, Josh, or someone else, but our substance abuse, our drug crimes and the rest of the country, fentanyl use, all that's gone down, but not here in wonderful Tucson, Arizona. Yeah, Tucson is leading the state in fentanyl overdoses. So, and when you look at our point in time count, those are the, that's the way that we. basically do a census of homeless and chronically homeless folks on the streets. Yes. And the remarkable part part there is that our chronic homeless population has not decreased. It's, you know, nearly the same. And what we are seeing, though, is that part of the point in time count is talking to people about their mental... mental health issues, as well as their substance use issues. And we're seeing that now the reporting, people are self-reporting, that they're higher incidence of people that are using drugs on the street, which is not a surprise. You know, when you drive around the streets, we all see it. Yes. And mental health is also increasing. So our population is not shrinking. It is actually getting sicker. So we're dealing with that, but, you know, to take it a step. Do you think affordable housing will fix all that? Unfortunately, that's not the right approach. Thank you. So we can spend all the money we want, and we know that over the next 10 years, the city of Tucson is going to spend $100 million a year, $1 billion total for their affordable housing projects, and that's not going to make a dent in what we've got going on. Unfortunately...

We have to get back to the approach of how it is that we're treating people, how it is that we're holding people accountable, simply putting a roof over somebody's head. That does not change the behaviors with addiction and the substance use disorder cycle. That's just, it's an unfortunate fact. And, you know, despite all of the additional housing that the city of Tucson's built, we're still not seeing a change in that chronically unhoused population. But one other thing that was remarkable is that Pima County attorney, Laura Conover, has come under fire during this case. And we're seeing it over and over again. But why, Josh? Yeah. Why now? Yeah, right? Why this crime? Why this criminal? You know, it's it seems so it's a horrible situation when we look at these issues. And we know that something terrible happens. People get up in arms. And then. A week later, everyone forgets about it and just goes back to doing what they're doing. But Laura Conover was interviewed by the Arizona Daily Star. And this struck me as very odd, Kathleen. And I think you'll find strange too. If you didn't see the interview, she was interviewed by a reporter that wanted to be anonymous. And so the interview was actually done basically with words typing on a screen for her to be able to answer. Isn't that bizarre? Why would an Arizona Daily Star reporter want to be anonymous rather than actually doing a sit-down interview with our Pima County prosecutor? Maybe it's AI. Maybe AI is taken over the Arizona Daily Star. Maybe we don't have real people anymore. I know that Elena Kagan just did a big, massive, you know. got rid of a bunch of people. So I think, you know, let's just, I don't have any idea. Well, somebody wanted to be anonymous. And, you know, if it was me asking the questions, I certainly would have wanted to be in that room. But there were some really interesting things that she said during that interview. And one of them was she said that there's 18,000 shots fired in Pima County. a year 18,000 and then she rounded it up to 20,000 and said there is no way that my prosecutors can try all of these cases well then why don't we do something to stop the crime we've got to take a break i can But when you do the math, if we're talking about 18, 20,000 shots fired a day, that's about 50 shots, 55 shots fired a day. And for somebody that says crime is not down, that is just a mind-boggling excuse to me. 100%. We're going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to continue this conversation with Josh Jacobson because those are the questions we should be asking. And we would ask them, we would actually ask them in person. So you're listening to Win Tucson on 1030, The Voice, your trusted local news and talk. We'll be back right after this. We've got more good stuff for you. Josh Jacobson, Tucson Crime Free. We'll be back.

Welcome back to Win Tucson. I just have to say, I was talking to Josh off a break, and when it's 18,000 people over a year period, I guess being shot at in Tucson, and then the prosecutor says, oh, I'm going to round it up to 20,000 to justify not going to court or prosecutors don't go to court. They just make plea deals. And those plea deals are unfortunately. causing the numbers to go up like it's it's it's creating more victims it's the definition of insanity and and so uh we talked last break josh about this uh system that evaluates can you so this gentleman that shot the nine people Where was he on the scale? Can you explain that to the listeners? Yeah. So I actually had to pull up our newsletter so that I could get the verbiage correct. If anybody wants to read our newsletters, Tucsoncrimefree.com. Yes. We've got a deep analysis on this situation. You know, not not to not to. break my arm patting myself on the back, but I think that we did a better job explaining what happened and what the failures were than any of the other media outlets. Well, Rahina used it to bag on guns. The prosecutor used to defend her way that she's running her office. What happened to the judge? Did the judge... say anything probably not so it's interesting the judge is judge goodwin and he he's he served in the pima county prosecutor's office under barbara lo wall i love and yeah and he's very respected he ran the special victims unit and so it's it's kind of odd that he made this decision um but I don't think he has been interviewed or quoted on this. And typically judges won't. I mean, they don't do that. So what we're talking about is the offender screening tool. It's a validated risk instrument used statewide and approved by the administrative office of the courts. A high risk for somebody when you're evaluating their background starts at 16. The downtown Tucson shooter. He ranked 19. And how high does the scale go up? I'm not sure what the actual highest threshold is, but we know that high begins at 16, and he scored a 19. So he was already, you know, three points over the threshold for high. So he was a danger to himself and others. Correct. And. Because when you get in those situations, if you, someone may also have a gun. And it's not the, but this kid, because of the first incident, which we talked about at the car wash.

legally had no right to possess a gun. That's correct. Yep. And, you know, so we, we, uh, Tucson crime free, we've, we've tried to do an analysis of prohibited possessor cases in, in Pima County. It's actually really hard to find, um, you know, what percentage of crimes committed with guns. And we don't say gun crime or gun violence because that's just a ploy that people use because, you know, guns don't commit crime. Guns don't commit violence. It's violence committed with them or crimes committed with them because it's still people. Otherwise, are we going to start talking about hatchet crime and machete crime? Knife crime. Knife crime. Automobile crime. Oh, by the way, we can talk about the pedestrian statistics. That's another place to look at. But at any rate. So sorry. Another crime avenue to go down, pun intended. Go ahead. So the bottom line is we've got a Pima County prosecutor that's deflecting from all responsibility in not just this case but others. And when she's talking about 18, 20,000 shots fired and having to go to trial for every single one, her response is we just can't do it. Well, we're not asking you to go to trial for everyone. We're asking you to... When someone shoots nine people, maybe. Yeah, or shoots at a worker at a car wash. You know, and then she has the audacity to say, you shouldn't be out past two o'clock in the morning anyway. Well, going back to the car wash situation, 4.45 a.m., that guy was at work. It wasn't like he was out partying. So then, you know, prior to this case happening. So we tried to bag on the victim? Well, that was one of the statements that she made in the anonymous Arizona Daily Star interview was that. Well, why be bothered with the facts, Josh? I mean, why let the facts get in the way when you're defending yourself for something that's indefensible? Right. So, you know, a lot of people missed this situation, which was, you know, appalling as well. There was, there was a nurse at a hospital here that ended up. There was, there was a woman that came in. She was having uncontrollable seizures. So she's in her hospital bed. She's having seizures. She's not completely conscious. The hospital has a video camera on her. to record these seizures because they can't figure out what's going on. Right. Well, this, this nurse comes in and fondles this woman with his hands and his mouth, and it's all on camera. Oh, my Lord. And, you know, she's, she is absolutely helpless. She has no idea. How old or what does it matter? Probably doesn't matter. Yeah, I could bring up the case, but I'm not sure how old she was. But even the fact that she's not safe in a hospital, but not safe in a hospital. And, you know, the reason that she was hooked up to these machines is they were trying to track her brain activity. And so as, as this nurse is doing all of this, it's, you know, caught right there on the camera. So.

When it goes time to prosecute this guy, he gets a sweetheart plea deal once again. He should have faced two and a half years in prison for doing this, but instead he gets 30 days in jail. And so again, Pima County prosecutor Laura Conover is interviewed about this. And she's defending the action saying, well, you know, when you really look at this, this crime, it wasn't, it wasn't as serious as it sounds. Really what it was is it was unwanted touching. And then she goes on to say, she. Oh, my God. Unwanted touching. She goes, she goes on to say. You know, she's not trying to minimize it, but she says that this is basically what happens to women in bars every night across the country. This woman wasn't in a bar. This woman wasn't drunk. This woman was having uncontrollable seizures. And this... SOB took advantage of her in a state. And Laura Conover doesn't know the difference. And if she doesn't know the difference, she's not competent to be the county attorney. I worked in the attorney general's office. This is absurd, Josh. That's offensive. And as a woman and as a mother of children and grandchildren, my mom's been in that hospital recently several times. That's offensive to me. Yeah, what happened? What happened to, you know, watching out for women and, and, well, let's go talk to the WMBA. They're doing such a great job at that. Don't get me started. Yeah, but that, that's, this is why. Now, this guy, does he lose his job, hopefully? Yeah, so, so, you know, he is going to have to be registered as a sex offender and he's, you know, not, not going to be able to work in this environment for quite some time. And that's, you know, she, she defended. her decision for doing that. But, you know, at the same time, this, the problem that we have is we've got a prosecutor that's ideological base that is taking too much concern for criminals rather than the victims. No, she's very criminal-centric. She is always taking the side of the criminal. Betsy Brantner-Smith calls her Laura Conlover as opposed to con over. I think that, again, This is what scares me about the board of supervisors right now trying to change the whole financial thing. We're not going to go on to that in 425. But there's nothing. We look at what's happened with the treasure. He's a criminal. He's gone. The sheriff. We look at Laura Conover. There is nobody who's the integrity moral role model in this county. It is a freaking circus. It's a clown show.

And the person that could actually bring law and order, the county prosecutor is phoning it in. Right. And we don't even know who's interviewing her. Right. And the rub there is, is we all know that elections are not too far away. And we all know that, you know, in order to have better. people in these places we need good candidates to step up and we're not quite there yet but we're getting close we have to please 90 days to this next election and then we i think we can then switch the conversation to that but yeah 2028 It's right around the corner. And you start running in 2027 because I think the term starts in 2028, right? Yeah, so the election 2028 and then you're first sworn in what the first of January or whatever it is. In 2029. Okay, good. So we got more time. The thing about candidates is we need candidates that don't just roll out of bed one day and say that they want to be a candidate. We need people that. are starting to actually put in the work now, getting their name out there, making positions known, getting to know the community, understanding what the needs of the community are so that when people actually go to announce that they're running for an office, it makes sense. It's like, oh, yeah, you know, I can see that person in that role versus, you know, just. eight to 10 months before the election, somebody saying, I'm running for this spot and you should support me. Well, who are you? Yeah, exactly. And what we know is people that come late to the race typically don't win or don't get what they need in order to qualify. So I think if you're thinking about it, that's... We probably need to have that conversation. Again, just as the chair, I'm focused on the state elections and the federal elections right now. And we, I just have to say separately, congratulations to Bob Dozy, who qualified to be on the ballot. And he got his money, the clean elections. They were kind of... messing around with him. So that happened yesterday. And I'm very excited. And Jeff Rhodes, write in for Supervisor District 5. We got that accomplished. Great. So, you know, we are seeing, to your point, seeing people show up and stepping forward. But ultimately, those that are currently in leadership positions, if you keep getting the same results, and if those crime stats are going up, you're the person, you're the one that's responsible. And that's the interesting thing about the crime stats, you know, because we know that the crime stats are manipulated. You know, it's easy to track homicides, right? Because you either you have a homicide or you don't. 24, homicides were up. We haven't, I don't have the 2025 numbers off top of my head, but I was looking at the,

uh 2024 annual report from tpd 2025 is not out yet i believe we were down in 2025 But they're also going against the five-year average, which still involves the last years of that, that thing that happened that started with a C that none of us want to talk about ever again. I plead the fifth. Yeah. So, but we know that crime is underreported. We know that larceny and shoplifting and assaults, they're underreported. Right. And so it gives them the opportunity to play number games. But the thing is is, We all have to be able to drive around Tucson and trust what our eyes show us. And we're seeing more and more instances on social media where we're seeing people that are, you know, taking issues into their own hands and defending themselves. We just had this happen the other day when in a restaurant, a guy came in and attacked an 80-year-old man and three bystanders had to get involved and push this guy out of harming this. elderly gentleman with a walker. You know, we made national news on that. Tucson right now is making national news for all of the wrong reasons. Right. And Nancy Guthrie's body's still not found. And we know it's a body now. We know that she's deceased. Sadly, that is true. So we're going to take a break. We come back. No shortage of crime. And, uh, And the question is, do you throw more money at the problems or do you fix what's inherently broken in Tucson? And you have to have a political will to do that. And if they're not going to do that, then there's a vote coming up. And people in Tucson and Pima County can actually make some changes. So we're talking to Josh Jacobson, one of the best guys I know when you want to talk crime. And unfortunately, we have a lot of that here in Tucson, Tucson Crime Free. And... I will be back right after this. I'm Kathleen Wyn. This is Wyn-Tusan on 1030, The Voice. Your trusted local news and talk on KVOI.com. Don't go anywhere.

Welcome back to Win Tucson. It is almost the weekend. We get through today. We have tomorrow and a lot going on. Tonight we have the Leadership Institute coming here. They're here already, actually, and from six to nine, the double tree. And then tomorrow night, Andy Biggs, Congressman Andy Biggs, hoping to be Arizona's next governor with his lieutenant governor, Sina Kerr. And so that information is on PimaGOP.org. I want to thank everyone that took the time to give their opinions on 425. That'll go into a pamphlet. Thank you, Allie Miller. She led up a whole group of people. We miss you. And... But Josh and I were talking, Josh Jacobson here from Tucson Crime Free, we were talking during the break, and we mentioned it last segment that pedestrians and pedestrian crime, not crime so much as they get hit. A lot of drug people, people walking against the lights. So you've got people turning right, left, and you've got pedestrians just. stopping traffic. And if they go in the cross rocks, the problem is some so many times they'll just wander into the road because they want to cross the road. I see this every day coming to the station. It's almost like Dodge pedestrians, like Dodge Ball. Yeah, so this is kind of relevant because, you know, We always hear from the mayor and council that things have to be data driven, right? And when you actually look at the data and then you look at what, how they're handling things. So, you know, recently Tucson was. Again, national headlines for all the wrong reasons, fourth deadliest city in the country for pedestrians. So, okay, so how is this happening? And we're not the fourth largest city. No, we're the 33rd largest city in the United States. So, you know, looking into this, we all see it when we're driving around Tucson. And I tell people like, do not, if you're going out at night, do not even have like one beer. Go, you know, Uber yourself home because. If you're down in the city of Tucson, you never know who's going to step out in front of your car. You know, one of our founders of Tucson Crime Free was at Oracle and Fort Wool and witnessed somebody get hit and die. And there was actually a priest that happened to be in the car next to him, got out. Our guy was there and the priest was there giving last rights. Exactly. I mean, and it's horrific. And nobody wants to be a part of that. But what the city of Tucson is doing is they're going. Now, that's a car fatality. I mean, so that's part of the statistic. Yeah, it's a pedestrian fatality. And.

You know, as a result, I mean, the guy was intoxicated. He just walked right out of traffic and got hit. And so what the city's solution is is, well, let's lower the speed limits from, you know, 45 miles an hour to 40 miles or 40 miles an hour down to 30. Now, we do have a problem with kids and street racing. There is no doubt about that. And there's been legislation to make that. that a felony, which it should be because that has been absolutely tragic. I got caught up in one of those one day, you know, just going down a road and, you know, and trying to get back out of it. And they, yeah, it is very dangerous. Yeah, no regard for anybody else. So, but when we're, when we actually look at the pedestrian fatalities, this is the way that it works. And this is from the Pima County Medical Examiner's Office. So the statistics are. when they perform toxicology reports, we've had 28 pedestrian fatalities so far this year. Out of the cases that they've done tox screenings on, 83% are high or drunk at the time of getting hit. So either drugs or alcohol, 83%. Seventy-five percent of these incidents are happening outside of crosswalks. So it's just, you know, people that are going out into the roadway. Yes. And, you know, that could be just stepping off. of a curb or at nighttime we know that we've had uh what about 900 miles of copper wire stripped out of our uh street lights around town over 1.2 million dollars last time we had the inventory on that copper wire is getting stolen out of our street lights faster and the city can repair it so our streets are dark and then on top of that we've got people that are dressed in all black and not using the crosswalk. And so all of this takes into becoming part of the city of Tucson earning the reputation for the fourth most dangerous city in the country. So back to our underlying theme that we've had all day long. We need officers. We need resources. We need to enforce the law. How's recruitment going? You know what? Under Chief Casmar, he said that he was making some progress there. I'm not up to date on how it's going under Chief Prieto. But I imagine it's still an issue because we're, you know, we're seeing a lot of good officers retire. We were actually... Or go to different departments for... Or lateral. Yes. We recently had the opportunity to attend a retirement party for an officer that we know well. And in that room, there were, you know, a line of other officers that are coming up for retirement in the next few months. And so we're going to have a real void here. So we're going to have to do better than what we're doing now or we're going to see Tucson just keep making national headlines for the wrong reasons.

Yes, and we've really gotten really good at that. Because Sheriff Nanos, you know, he was just on, I think, Sean Hannity or somebody this last week and begging on, I don't know who he was. Oh, no, he was on CNN and bagging on Kash Patel. Don't ask me. And I, in that situation, and that was referred by the supervisors to the Attorney General. And crickets, right? We haven't heard what she's going to do. Yeah, AG Mase has not been very helpful at all. And anything. In anything. But I think ultimately that vote, they decided they weren't going to refer. And I believe you're talking about his issues in El Paso before he became. Well, the fact that whatever happened in El Paso, but what the way that he. communicated it when he applied for a job. Yes, yes. He misrepresented his work history. And so they briefly talked about having AG Mays get involved, but then they didn't follow through with that. But the bottom line is they didn't? No, they ended up taking a vote and they didn't push it up to AG Mays. Oh, so we are not waiting for her to do anything. As far as I know, that's not the case. See, they're just disappointing me some more. I can't wait to go to my first meeting next Tuesday. All right. You know, and then we've got back to school going on, and we've got the free crime bus. And so people may have noticed that the mayor and council are trying very hard to convince people that the free crime bus is safe. And so for the first two weeks of back to school, they're going to have additional monitors and security present at bus stops so that you can put your kid on the free crime bus and feel good about it for the first two weeks. Then after that, it goes back to business usual. So for the first two weeks, use the crime bus and then a free crime bus. And then after that, don't use it anymore. Because that's what I would do as a parent. Yeah, I wouldn't put my kid on there at all, period. But there's that too. So doing an analysis of the numbers of transit, it's very interesting that the first four months, January through April, 2026 versus 2025, ridership is down. 285,000 rides. And where we're seeing the biggest drop is actually on the Sunlink, the streetcar. That's down nearly 20%. And that's interesting because the mayor and council, the last time they had a discussion about bringing fares back to the buses. They paid $20,000 for an analysis that they had an outside firm due. that pointed to the street car as being the number one driver of economic development downtown. Forget Rio Nuevo, forget, you know, the businesses that came down. Forget the Grand Creeker's opening a new restaurant down there. Forget all of that. It's the streetcar. But now what we're finding out is that people are not wanting to ride the streetcar, which is really interesting. A street car name no longer desired. Yeah. And they've also increased parking rates downtown. So that's actually problematic as well.

They've increased every rate that they possibly can. It's getting more expensive to live in Tucson. It is. And they're not bringing anything of, I shouldn't say anything. There's still things of value. There's still good places. But if I'm a business owner here, it's harder and harder and harder. What used to cost $60 is a meal now cost $80 if you go out to a restaurant. Oh, yeah. Just for the same stuff. And people can't afford it. So, Josh, thank you. And just real quick before we go, you have some personal news if you don't. Well, I wanted to say congratulations. You're going to be a dad again. That is true. So we got to get rid of all this crime, dang it. Josh's future child can't, boy, right? Yes. Future son, and he has a son. They need to live in a crime-free city, and we're all committed to that. And congratulations. Oh, thank you, Kathleen. Thanks for having me. Yeah, no problem. All right. Well, we got more of this. And I just, so it's not just me saying it. Josh is the real deal. He's the authority. So you guys, we got to get rid of this. This has got to change. You are listening to 1030 The Voice. Your trusted local news and talk. We'll be back right after this here on Win Tucson with me, Kathleen Wynn. Stay with me. Thank you.

Welcome back to Wind Tucson. There is a lot going on in Pima County in the state. Tomorrow we're going to have on Sergio Ariano, who's the chairman of the Pima County Republican Party. I think it's been officially announced that John Giles, a former Mesa mayor, who they're saying is a Republican, but he hasn't been a Republican for a very long time, is Katie Hobbs running partner. And, you know, Mayor Giles, the Republican endorsed Kamala Harris. Mayor Giles, the Republican, suggested that Jeff Flake, Senator Jeff Flake, run against President Trump. John Giles has a great distaste for Donald Trump, but this state is a state that voted for Donald Trump the last time. And so I am encouraged that... I'm glad this is her pick. It tells me no one on the Democrat ticket wanted to run with her. And this is a chance where we as Republicans get to turn out. We have a 400,000 plus voter advantage, but that does us zero good. Zero good if you don't turn out to vote. So now this has Ben Wynchewson, but we're going to switch to Smith and Win. My favorite, well, I shouldn't say my favorite Smith. I love Dave. But one of my favorite people, Betsy Brantner Smith, spokesperson for the National Police Association. How are you? My friend, welcome. Thanks for having me. There is so much to talk about, as always, right? Yeah, and we just had Josh Jacobson on to warm up the crime thing for you. So he shared with me all the terrible statistics about our, you know, Patsy, I know you know this because you know all this stuff, but we're the, we're not the fourth largest city, but we have the fourth largest amount of pedestrian deaths in the country here. I know that's shocking because you... drive here and you know that it's normal but we and 83% of them have drug or alcohol in their system shocking right this is something believe it or not this is something that Dave Smith has been talking about for many years and it's and it's something that he talks about nationwide is our extraordinary number of pedestrian deaths. And I know, and I don't know if Josh talked about this, but you would think, well, that just means that people are recklessly driving around Tucson running over pedestrians. And sadly, that's not the case. We have, we see this all the time, Kathleen, and I know you do too. When you're going home, like from a late meeting, you know, which is almost every night for you, you're going home, you know, and it's dark out, and you're driving down certain streets. And what happens? Somebody always dressed in very dark clothing, right? Yes. Just stumbles in front of your car. They're not in an intersection. They're not with the light. They're not even paying attention. No. Nothing.

And, and it's, it's so frustrating. And, and this is, this discussion is so timely because, um, I have to tell you yesterday, I was driving, um, down Silverbell. So I live in Miranda. So I'm around Silverbell. And I think it's called ironwood and then between like speedway and, um, look at you. It's almost like you're doing directions. Right. I didn't know what direction I was going, Kathleen. And I'm finally, after all these years, I'm finally figuring out my Tucson. And thanks in part to you and you're schooling. Yes. And delivering pizzas back for Domino's pizza when Jay Tolkoff was my manager. We're going, that's how far back. So, yes. And I was. Oh, my gosh. I know. And it's in college. That's, see, this Tucson is just really one big loop. just so you know. It really is. So I'm driving south. I'm driving toward the city, and I'm going to, in full disclosure, everybody, I'm going to get my lashes done. And the woman that does my lashes, a good Republican, she lives around Speedway and Silverbell, but up in kind of a neighborhood there. And so as I'm driving down, I stop at the stoplight, and what do I see? On every single street corner, Kathleen, is some homeless person, 50% of them were cranked out of their minds. In other words, they're doing that weird bent over at the waist and just sort of standing there, not, they don't know what's going on, a couple others. had their little cardboard signs and were wandering where into the roadway so that, you know, they can hold up their little cardboard sign. And it was just, and I just thought, and I said this to her once I got there because, and this is in CD7. This is in Adelita's congressional district. And I said to my friend that does my list, I'm like, don't you get tired of paying your taxes as a small business owner? And this is what your clients have to drive through. to get to this appointment. And she said, yes, you know, she's so frustrated. She lives in the county just out of the city, but in CD7. And I said, yeah, this is what our county board of supervisors is doing, nothing when it comes to crime and things like that, because they'd rather do, you know, a day, the, you know, day of happiness for indigenous people and, you know, land acknowledgments. And rainbows and unicorns. Oh, my God. And it's just gotten, frankly, obscene it. One of the things, sadly, is it's made my husband and I think about, are we going to have to move out of the county and move to another county that's safer? And this is why this election is so important, Kathleen. We don't want you to move. We like where you are. I don't want to move.

I know. It's just, it's very, it's very frustrating. Horrible. Well, it is very frustrating. So you said there was a lot to talk about, and I'm locally, nationally. Yes, all of the above. One of the, one of the, I just finished doing a really in-depth interview with Supervisory Special Agent John Nance, N-A-N-T-Z, is how you spell that. And one of, he might sound familiar to a lot of people because he writes. for Town Hall. He writes for some other conservative news outlets, and he's on Newsmax a lot. In fact, I'm on with him a fair amount of the time. But he just, he and his partner also retired FBI agent, Chris Hinkle, is his name. They just finished. a trip to Washington, D.C., to meet with Director Kash Patel at the FBI headquarters, and they spent a great deal of time with Cash, who kind of initiated this just based on not because John Nance was somebody super important in the FBI and all that, but just he had written an article. about the FBI and all of the changes under Director Kash Patel. And when we come back after the break, I want to talk a little bit about some of the changes we're seeing at the FBI because the National Police Association was the first police organization, thanks to Congressman Abe Hamaday to endorse Kash Patel for the FBI director. And Cash, you know, gets the far left media loves to portray him as kind of a goof. But he is making some extraordinary upgrades and changes at the FBI while taking on things like, why did we do a crossfire hurricane? What's going on with the steel dossier that Hillary Clinton when she tried to get Donald Trump discredited as a candidate and all that? So I think after the break. Let's talk about that. Absolutely. And on that note, because Betsy's driving this car, Thelman Louise, ride again, Smith and Wyn, you are listening to 1030 The Voice, your trusted local news and talk. I'm Kathleen Wynne with Betsy Brantner-Smith, and we'll be back right after this. Stay with us.

Welcome back to Smith and Wynn, and Betsy, a spokesperson for the National Police Association, and always talking about what the good things are that are in law enforcement. And so you'll appreciate Betsy with Josh's last hour. We talked about Rahina's attack on guns and trying to take our guns away in a very unsafe city that she's created. to make us more vulnerable. And so everything that we can do in this country to make us safer, which I believe President Trump is trying, Washington, D.C., we should Washington, D.C., Tucson. It is beautiful. It is safe. You know, I think if we can get on that list where they come and get rid of all of our crime, we could thrive again in Tucson. I think that should... Go ahead, please. Wouldn't it be wonderful? And you know what? All that has to happen is the governor and or the mayor need to reach out to the Trump administration and ask them to bring in the same partnerships that we had in Memphis. which, by the way, Memphis, which is one of the grimyest cities in this country, things have changed so dramatically. We can do the same thing that we did in Washington, D.C. And so many other cities, New Orleans is another one where New Orleans has been changed so much for the better because what the federal government does is they bring in. federal resources to assist local law enforcement. So they bring in federal agents. And that doesn't just mean ICE or FBI. But ATF, DEA, there's well over 80 different federal law enforcement agencies, Kathleen, and they all have kind of different things that they do. And then as part of those partnerships, then they bring in federal prosecutors. And let's not forget, you guys, think about downtown Tucson. What do we have down there? I think it's the John McCain, right, federal building. We have a federal building. We have a federal courthouse. That's why it's so easy to bring in federal law enforcement into Tucson because all of their... assets and resources, you know, as far as supervision goes, are already here. And, and, but, you know, what happens? When any federal agent, you know, steps out into the sunlight, you've got Adelita Grohalva and Rahina and their ilk screaming about, you know, oh, there's federal agents, they must be ice, things like that. And, and they are driving away. law enforcement, and that's one of the many reasons that, you know, people don't want to go downtown. People don't want to travel, you know, through the city of Tucson. And certainly, Kathleen, it's getting to the point where people don't want to move here and that there's just little pockets. We're turning into like a little Chicago where there's only little pockets of the city.

that people feel safe in moving to. And that just is wrong. This used to be, you know, when my husband started in the Tucson Police Department in the 70s. And you remember that time, you know, you were here. I was here. I didn't remember Dave Smith back then, but, but yes, I was here. I'm shocked. I know. When he came, he was too famous, too famous for me, too cool for me then. Well, and, you know, you were in college, and unfortunately he, he, he, you were a good girl in college and didn't get arrested by the Tucson Police Department of which he was a part of. But when he came here, you know, this was one of the most dangerous cities in the country. And they, over the years, that was cleaned up. Yes. Until the Democrats took back over this city. And so here we are. It's like we get into Bernice. Do you know they destroyed everything? Honest to God. And it's just so. frustrating that when you drive around the city Tucson Police Department was it used to be a department that we were so that was so respected and and they're still so innovative yes they were so modern and innovative and now they can't they can't muster up enough police officers to be able to respond to your home burglary, that you just have to do an email report, you know, unless it's in progress. But even if it's in progress, we don't know if they're going to be able to send somebody or not. I mean, it's really sad. And as you know, you know, I talk about this pretty frequently. It's very frustrating. to see the chief allow herself and the Tucson police environment be used by these far left. frankly, Democrat Socialists that are in power here in the city of Tucson talking about you, Rahina and Adolita. And yes, Adelita is in CD7, but make no mistake. She is standing shoulder to shoulder with Rahina Romero and Jen Allen, who runs the Pima County Board of Supervisors. And if they have their way, everybody, they're going to turn the entire... County of Pima, Arizona into the city of Tucson. They want to take us down. They don't want to lift us up, and they want to take your money.

And I'm seeing all this new, the Democrats, and I know you were just talking about John Giles and what a disaster that guy is. But everybody, one of the things you're hearing about Andy Biggs is that he wants to increase taxes in Arizona. Okay, it's such a, such a total lie. What he wants to do is get rid of things like income tax. And so he wants to tax us less. The Democrats, including Katie Hobbs and her fake Republican running mate, John Giles, what they want to do is increase your taxes. They want to take your money. They want to make you less safe. And the only things they're really worried about is making sure that they... stay empowered. They don't care about the people of Arizona. And I hope that, you know, the veto and Katie Hobbs, you know, the veto queen, I hope people have paid attention to the last. I wasn't over 400 vetoes or whatever it is. I mean, that's not someone who works across the aisle. That's someone who does not work across the aisle. It's the antithesis of what she says. If you can't, she can't even be honest about her record. How can we trust her for another four years? And never mind that she's under investigation for a pay-to-play schemes. She did it with licensing and everything else. And we're talking millions and millions of dollars. And hopefully we haven't gotten desensitized to the misuse of the financial resources because it's costing us every day. It's costing. businesses are leaving people are leaving. Businesses aren't coming here. Our growth is down. Mesa is going to overtake us. Their roads are better for sure up there. But we need to understand that this is not the path. We can't redo the last four years. Do you want more people coming in through the borders? We can't risk it. No. And she. Again, she's now talking about how she wants reimbursement for the federal government for all her border security initiatives, which are just laughable. And so we need to understand that what we're going to have to do as citizens, as voters, is we are going to have to be boots on the ground. for Governor Andy Biggs because, you know, the next governor, Andy Biggs. We're going to have to be going door to door and tell our neighbors that Katie Hobbs does lie, that she doesn't have the best interests of Arizona in mind. And, you know, one of the reasons why we have all this crime. You know, not just here in Pima County, but, you know, Phoenix is another disaster. So is the city of Flagstaff, sadly, that we're going to have to let people know, fill them in, and the fact that Katie Hobbs does lie. And this is what she does. And Chris Mays, the top cop in Arizona, will not.

participate in the investigation against Katie House. Chris Mays won't even again. Chris Mays has all these great commercials out there where she's walking around in a Hillary-esque tailored pantsuit and telling people that, you know, she's doing all this crime fighting. She won't even interview Katie Hobbs about this pay-to-play scheme that is just as clear as the nose on your face. And then, of course, we have Adrian Fontes. who is going to do everything he can to make sure that we do not have free and fair elections in the state of Arizona. Yeah, and I saw a representative called in last night running for Secretary of State, and James Rogers will be on tomorrow to talk about how they're suing Adrian Fontes because the language, you know how we're doing our own Save Act. Adrian Fontes, in the description of it, stripped out the language that explains that only legal citizens can vote. He doesn't mention anything about that because he doesn't want people to know what this is. And so they're in court to say that his description of what this is, you know, that you get that pamphlet. incoherent to what it is. And he's intentionally trying to mislead voters ahead of voting because he doesn't want people to vote for the Arizona Save Act. No, and understand that without the language that he is trying to take out, you know, we will continue to struggle with these elections. And that, you know, and that's what they want. They, we have got. To, oh, gosh, darn it, I hate that part. We're going to have to talk more about this after the break. All right. We're talking to Betsy Brantner Smith. I'm Kathleen Wyn. It's Smith and Wyn. We're going to go to a break. We'll be back after this because we've got more to say about what a bad guy, Adrian Fontes is. We can't say criminal, but maybe. All right. Don't go anywhere. We'll be back right after this on 1030 The Voice.

Welcome back to Smith and Wynn, which will soon be returning to Winn Tucson. I needed to be Friday, Betsy. I really do. I was, I just wanted to mention I got to be with Congressman Siskamani last night and Teresa Wright and... Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, and I let him know that we had sued successfully, Pima County Republican Party, sued successfully against Adrian Fontes and Mays and won. And he loved it. And then Congressman Siski-Mine, he's like, Kathleen, we've got to catch up. I'm thinking, yeah, we do. I'm down here working my backside off for you. And so we're going to get together. But it was wonderful, but the... The font has thing you cannot underestimate the things that they're fighting for are against the voters. And I, so I'll leave you with that thought. So, but final thoughts, Betz. Well, Arizona has a real opportunity this fall to take back our state, to bring back. common sense to bring back Arizona values. And we've got to take advantage of that opportunity. And we've got to get out there and talk to our friends and family and neighbors about these terrific Republican candidates that we have. And lastly, Kathleen, we got to get out there and talk about the economy because the Trump economy is booming, but the media doesn't want you to know it. And so we got to get out. We can't stay in our little bubbles. We got to get out and talk to people. 100%. And remember, they brought in COVID last time. when the economy was booming. Don't forget that. We can't have a convenient memory. So I appreciate you as always. I'm looking forward to seeing you and your wonderful husband this weekend and Smith & Win rides again. And I appreciate you. So have a great day. Thanks for having me. My pleasure. All right. So I'm going to shift gears and we're going to now be joined by Dr. Carol Lieberman. One of my other great friends, like I love when I have a show and I just love the people that are on and you are one of them. So welcome back to Win Tucson and thanks for joining me today. Thank you. I got to see our mutual friend in person last night. So isn't that a small world that it is and I'm grateful. So Dr. Lieberman, one of the things that's going on is this rise in... socialist candidates, normalizing socialism, which should never be normalized. But Zohran Mamdani, I think the honeymoon is over, if you will, in New York, because they've told him to stay away from ground zero because of his rhetoric, because of his hate speech. And so you had written something.

about this and and you have your wonderful book your latest book lions and tigers and terrorists oh my how to protect your child in a time of terror but nothing You know, this, it's our 25th anniversary, if you will. It's not really an anniversary. It is marking time since the September 11th terrorist attacks. And, you know, and Ground Zero is New York City. But should Mayor Zohran Mamdani stay away? Oh, absolutely. Yes, you know, there is a petition that's been circulated, being circulated by a man who lost his wife in 9-11 in the Twin Towers, and it has gotten thousands and thousands of signatures, and the petition is to ban Zohran Mamdani from the ceremony at Ground Zero on 9-11 on this anniversary. Now, first of all, I mean... would be hypocritical. Mamdali is a terrorist. You know, I used to say Landami is a terrorist sympathizer, but as he's been showing his true colors more and more, both in terms of, you know, signing with terrorists and being against Israel and being against Jews and turning New York City upside down, you're not in a good way. Yes. This is, I mean, I'm just calling it like I see it, but he is a terrorist. He's using violence. He's manipulating people, and all this for his religious ideas. Really, it's coming from his Islamic religion. And the idea of having him, first of all, I don't know how, at this point, I don't know how that could happen because, did you happen to, I just saw this morning, there was something about, it was a video of Zohran Mamdani. He went to speak at some kind of an event, an outdoor event for police. I were booing him off the stage. And then a few days ago, there was a funeral. for a woman a vet who was killed in the Middle East just recently. And he was, well, he was, he thought he was going to be asked to speak at the funeral. And he came to the funeral. But, um, but they didn't ask him to speak because for the same reason that, you know, um, they, that, that he's, that he has all these hateful ideas. You know, I don't know if the family was Jewish.

Yeah, well, he doesn't want. In Lieberman, I'm just going to make a broad jump here and say what's obvious. But, you know, he's tone deaf and he is enamored with himself. He's enamored with the attention. And just so, you know, I looked it up. 72,000 people have signed the petition organized by Giovanni Galante and others. And it was launched in response to concerns over Zohran Mamdani's public positions and associations, which many of the 9-11 families believe are inconsistent with the values they expected the memorial. And despite all of this, Zohran Mamdani, again being toned up, has stated he'll attend the ceremony to honor victims and survivors. They don't want you there. This is their... Yeah. And how dare you put yourself ahead of their, their remembrance, their grief, their loss? You are not the star of the show that day. Right. Right. It should be Giuliani. You know, there are, there have been some calls for him to be there. But, I mean, you know, this could be horrendous. First of all, if, if Zohran Mamdani did come... that would be triggering people's PTSD because he would be, he's, you know, as a terrorist, he is, and as a terrorist and as a terrorist sympathizer, yeah. He is, you know, he's connected to 9-11, not in a good way. So, first of all, it would frighten people. But second of all, I don't know how he could do it at this point with all the thousands of people who are against him being there. I mean, it seems to me there would be some kind of a riot. Well, I don't think it would be safe for him. You know, honestly, we should keep him away for his own safety. Look at all the... Here we go. Hey, I worked in government. I can play this game. Four years at the Attorney General's office, it has not gone to waste. But, you know, he... The grocery store thing has fallen apart. Everything that he promised he could do when you start to put it into reality, he can't do. He's lost billionaires, right? They have moved out in droves. Yes, yes. He is economic. Yes, go ahead. Yes, doing all kinds of horrible things. You know, his wife, actually, this hasn't gotten a lot of attention, has gotten some. She actually is worse. than he is. A hundred percent. Yes. Yes. And, you know, a little bit has come out about her, but not enough for people to get all riled up about her, which they should be. And you know where they met? They met on Hinge. Say that again? How did they mean? They met on hinge. I don't know what. I don't know what that is. I was a dating website. My producer let me know. I have been married for 28 years. I have no idea what any of those are. But go ahead. It's a good thing. A dating website. I mean, you kind of don't expect to find a mom's honey. Now this is before he became mayor or even before he ran for mayor. But it's just kind of an interesting. They found each other. They were like two peas in a pod.

And they found each other through this dating app. What is it? Hinch terrorists are us? I mean, come on. Yes, this is really. So you know how solemn the ceremony normally is. And they read the names. They read the names. And, you know, it was the business community in downtown New York. And many people, if he knew who these people were, they're not his people. And he wasn't there 25 years ago. Yes, yes. And, you know, there are a lot of things, like you said at the beginning, the honeymoon is over. There are people who are I should have waken up a little earlier, but they're, you know, for example, well, first of all, one of the things he did recently is, which is crazy, is, you know, he's going to be putting attacks on people who have a second apartment, a second property in New York. In other words, that they don't really live there, but they have this property. Second home, yeah. Yeah, second home. And so he's going to be texting, he's going to be texting them. So what he did was he put out a list of all their names. He docs them, their names, their addresses, all their personal information. He put this out online. Yes. I mean, that is. And in New York, I looked it up because I was thinking, oh, great, he'll be put in jail. But in New York, you can't get criminally charged with doxing unless there's also harassment or something that comes after it, which is, you know, not a great law. But anyhow. So that happens. Yes. And people are also, people are, you know, he's made this. He started with his stores, his first. state store is in the Bronx, and he's starting to open it up. And, of course, all the other stores, the mom and pop stores around that are furious. So there are this whole conglomeration of shop owners that have gone up against him, you know, for this plan and, you know, for how it's going to affect them. It's going to put them out of business because his state store is going to have... Huge discounts. But they need to see ID when you come in. They need to do all these things. It's so, I love the irony of everything. Well, actually, go ahead. Actually, that was a rumor. It turns out that that's not true, or so he says, maybe it was going to be true. And then when it got to be a rumor and everybody got crazy about it, he decided, uh-oh, I don't not do this.

Well, I think he should just not do a lot of things he says. Carol, we have to take like a minute break and then we're going to come back, Dr. Carol Lieberman. And if you, I want to finish up on this, but if you don't mind, I want to shift gears on the WMBA if we can. I'd love to get your talk, your thoughts on that because we're smarter as women, right? But we'll end up there. You are listening to Win Tucson here on 1030, The Voice. You're trusted. local news and talk. We'll be back with Dr. Carol Lieberman. I need a weekend as soon as we get done. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Win Tucson, and we're talking to my very special guest, Dr. Carol Lieberman, MD, M-P-H, and she is known worldwide as America's psychiatrist, and if we ever need a psychiatrist right now, it's now. You're board certified, you're a media commentator, you're an author, but most importantly, you've spent decades analyzing mental health, criminal behavior. and the psychological impact of violence and terrorism. And now we are looking to elect literally people that are the antithesis of people that love America into offices. And it's dangerous. And Zohran Mamdani is, he's the start of this, but there's even more extreme people being elected, like happened in Michigan. Yes. So go ahead, please. Yes, yes. Absolutely. You know, people are so asleep in regards to so many things. And people, there are people who are coming up, starting with the lower ranks and then getting themselves into positions where they can be elected to higher ranks, like to Congress. And... And they, you know, they start with promising all kinds of things like, Mom's Don, they promised about free everything. Because it has to do with the connection, the collaboration between this, the red-green alliance. So the collaboration between the red, which is, these are the socialist, Marxist, communists, and the green, which are the terrorists. And they have aligned themselves. They made an alliance. You know, this has been, it started a while ago, but it's only coming now into being seen as dangerous. I mean, it's always seen as dangerous, but it wasn't very significant. But these are two people, what they have in common is that they hate America. They want to destroy America. There are other things that they disagree on and so on, but they, you know, their main goal of destroying America brings them together. And so with people who are being elected, now, you know, they're able to bring these two groups of voters together. And yes, you might not agree with what one of the other group says. But if you belong to one group, in other words, that's enough to get you to vote for some of these crazy people who are daring to run for office. Well, and I think, you know, Speaker Johnson, as you know, was here last night with Congressman Siskamani.

um he he said it's almost a blessing uh because and the american people aren't there yet they have overplayed their hand uh these extreme people especially when it comes to congress and and congressman siscomani has joanne mendoza who's running against him down here in cd6 it's one of the most contested races in the country uh and he also had jay feely with him uh he came down and and you know jay's running in scottstale and schweikert's old seat so uh the the speaker is um you know making the rounds and uh we're going to be visited a lot because of those two seats those two seats are critical uh we can if we can keep those seats and for jay it would be a brand new seat uh but congress mrs kimani retain his seat That's very important. It's important for Arizona. Congressman Siskamani serves on the Appropriations Committee. He's brought a lot of money back to Arizona and to the district. And so we want that. But we can't take, you know, Ms. Mendoza is aligned with Adelaida Grahalva, very extreme. And Rahina Romero, they're against guns. They're for open borders. They want Medicare for all. These are not, we can't afford them. We financially cannot afford what they want to do. And this would be such, because of the numbers, as a third Democrat, a third independent, and a third Republican, they think that they can do this. I'm pretty confident knowing the district as well as I do. The congressman says, Skamani, he's going to need to work hard. over the next 90 days ahead of the election and press the flesh, if you will. But what he stands for and what he wants to continue to do for Arizona is what we need. What she wants to do is extreme and radical. And we're already seeing how those policies are turning out from our governor on down. They're all in lockstep. And now to reposition Katie Hobbs as some, you know, moderate. middle of the road when she's under investigation for pay to play and so many other things we have to wake up as a state and it's and i love looking at Zohran Mamdani because he's so extreme but don't think that that's just in new york and not here in arizona so go ahead dr all over absolutely and and they're flying under the radar a lot of them and uh only people are only finding out about you know the good things or the things that they'll like when really there's a whole underneath that they won't like so much or they don't they don't even realize they wouldn't like it i mean okay like medicare for all i mean basically that's similar to obamacare and all that but um i mean we can't the america can't afford to pay for everybody's Medicare. I mean, I mean, I'm assuming it means Medicare, like, like you don't have to be a certain age to get it. Is that that what they're trying to say? So who's not to like that? Who's against, who would be against insurance, free insurance, basically? Free food, free rent. Have you heard them on their rent, what they're trying to do to landlords that they should get to live for free? Guys were bragging about how they go to court and they haven't paid rent. Like,

We're not your parents. Get a life. Yeah. Get a job. Yeah. Get a wife possibly. You know, you be a couch potato. It's, it's, and I don't, I don't understand the enthusiasm from young people except that most of the people that are supporters, their parents are still writing checks for them, you know. Yeah. So we need to obviously have a parenting class, number one, but number two. for all those kids that are out there working hard, and I have, my husband and I have seven, and they're self-sufficient. Yeah, I know, right? Crazy. We paid for all the college. We paid for all the weddings. So now I feel good. That's amazing. And 19 grandkids and possibly another one on the way. So I... That's great. Congratulations. Thank you. But I think it's important that we understand that that's the greatest gift of parent can give, not self-reliance on the government. It's just wrong. So. There are a couple of things that fit. I was just going to say there are a couple of things that feed into that. One is, it has to do with 9-11. The people who weren't born yet. Yes, we forget. We're forgetting. Right? And they don't have any idea of just what that was, how what a disaster that was. But also, they grew up with parents who had problems, were anxious, had PTSD, had all kinds of problems. And they, you know, would have liked. to have the government pay for them. In other words, you know, to take care of them. And also with COVID, that, you know, a lot of people got into the habit of getting from the government during COVID. And it, well, this is nice. You know, I don't want to do anything. And I get a check. Yes. Except that the checks have run out, the government's dysfunctional, and we're looking for it down here, we're looking for other ways to, the supervisors and the mayor and council in Tucson want to put their hands in our pockets one more time. And we're a failing city. We're a failing county. And they want us to keep increasing their ability to. uh overtax us and and everything else and we're a hard no down here because it's already too expensive we're not we're not scottesdale we're not paradise valley we don't have uh some of the wonderful things you guys have up there um But we do have crime and we do have fourth highest pedestrian deaths in the country. We do have where drugs are, drug crimes are going down or the deaths from ours are going up. So we are not, if you take a snapshot of where we are right now, we're not being well managed or run or financially well managed or run. So that's not the time.

where you say, okay, pay us more money to fix these problems. You haven't fixed the problems. And what you've done is added all kinds of administration and people in government. We don't need more people in government. We need a lot less people in government. And we need to fix the problems. So that's my two cents. And we didn't get to the WNBA. Well, I agree with you. We didn't get to the WNBA, but all I'm going to say is if you're the women's national basketball association and you're arguing for men. to play in your league, you shouldn't have a league, my two cents. So we should, we'll have to have you back and we'll have to talk about that, right? But Dr. Lieberman, I appreciate you so much and I just want to say thank you for always being willing to come on. Thanks for your perspective. I do think Zohran Mamdani is a terrorist. I think it's okay to say that. And you're the professional, so I'll take your professional opinion. How's that? I think, yes. I think that might be the way to save New York. Well, yeah, if we can get rid of the terrorists, we can save New York. I like that as a thought. Have a very blessed day. Thank you so much. Thank you. And always a pleasure. All right. Thank you. We are done today. I've got another crazy day ahead of me, which I love. We are 90 days away from an election here in Arizona that can change the direction and what we're doing in our state. It's time to save Arizona. And you do that, not by putting the same people in that have led us here, but by bringing back great leadership to... create economic growth, to create public safety, to create businesses, not only coming to Maricopa County, but to Pima County. We can do this. You're listening to 1030 The Voice, your trusted local news and talk. And this has been Wynn-Tusan, and I'm Kathleen Wynn. We'll be back tomorrow, Friday, everybody. Bye.