What Happened in Michigan?

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All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's August 5th, and it would be a Wednesday, which means last night we had the Michigan primary, and everybody was watching for the hotly contested Democrat side of the ledger. Mike Rogers was uncontested on the Republican side. But it looks like... It was a lot closer than we anticipated, but Abdul El-Sayed did, I believe, pull it off, barring any surprises, but that's the race has been called by the New York Times and others. He won 48.48% to 47.51% a difference really of about, I mean, it's, it's razor thin. I mean, it's, what is that? 14,000, 15,000 votes separating them. The polling had this thing at like maybe 10. It was going to be a 10 point win for maybe 15. And so because there was so much irregularities, I wanted to bring on an actual pollster right at the jump here. Mark Mitchell, he's the head pollster at the honest polling company. Mark, good to have you back, my friend. There's so many irregularities here. And I want to get into this Trump tweet because you and me talked before the show. I think I misinterpreted it. But directionally, we're kind of getting the same thing. But maybe. It's slightly a different conclusion here. I'm going to read it, and then I'm going to have you react to it. So Wayne County, Detroit, in Michigan is one of the most corrupt voting areas in the United States, if not the world. It is strictly third world. No arguments yet, right, Mark? We're all in agreement with the boss here. About all that. Yeah. Miracles happen in Wayne County, including more votes being cast than. there are voters by a lot therefore the communist who is not liked in detroit is potentially in vote counter trouble the radical left socialist has a real shot and don't discount all of those fake mail and ballots that will surprisingly show up at the last moment get ready for another rigged election in november we must vote for Mike Rogers and make michigan too big to rig so i interpreted this as There was funniness afoot in Michigan. There was the establishment Dems came out. They did not want Abdul El-Sayed to win. They wanted Haley Stevens to win. And they tried to rig it. And they tried to rig it in some weird ways because some of this stuff just doesn't make any sense, Mark. And I'm not sure what the president means then, but you tell me what you think he means and why he's got it a little bit wrong here. Well, so we've got to break down. We'll go with the end first. He says, vote Mike Rogers. Okay, good there. Vote for the Republican. The Democrats shouldn't win in Michigan. But he's tweeting because he's upset with the response of what happened last night. Well, what's he upset about, Syed won. And it seems like he would have preferred Stevens to win, which is why he's objecting to what happens with the electioneering, right? And that's wild. And

totally incongruous because like what you said, the polling overwhelmingly said that Syed was going to win. The prediction markets both had him at like 99 to 1. The fact that it was a one point race is actually kind of nuts. So it would be one of the biggest polling like misses of the industry that I can recall off the top of my head. And this isn't like New Jersey where, you know, hey, it's a special election and it's just after the 24 and there weren't that many people that polled it. And so, of course, we were surprised. No, this is like a lot of people were interested in this race and good pollsters. You guys said 15% Emerson is a good pollster. And, you know, they miss sometimes. It's hard. It's getting harder and harder with all this money, with all the electioneering, with the machine problems that we haven't fixed with the increase in mail-in ballots. And so I look at that race and I say, well, what do we know so far? There was huge turnout. There was a really big mail-in turnout. And Syed. massively underperformed the polling. And so what I'm looking at then is why did Syed underperform the polling? Well, he was out-competed. Stevens had a ton of money. They were probably doing the things that Democrats do in Democrat states to get their establishment candidate to win because she is the establishment candidate, which was probably handing out packs of cigarettes in the inner city and driving mail-in ballots around to like nursing homes, like all the things that we know about happen. I think that's what happened. And so, I mean, Trump's upset that the establishment Democrat won. Because now you're going to have a DSA candidate versus... Let's be real, the establishment Republican. And that will be really the first time when you see a race like that in a statewide race in a purple state. So I think the 26 race for Michigan Senate all of a sudden got really interested. Yeah. And I mean, this is what's interesting. So you talk about electioneering. We know the Democrats do this stuff. We know they play games. They pack, you know, these mail-ins and these, all of this stuff. So he lost early city vote by 50 points. Like that doesn't make any sense. Usually the more progressive candidate wins it. This tells me that establishment Dems, especially in some of these black urban cores, they didn't like Abdul El-Sayed and they were working against him doing all the shenanigans that we are now so accustomed to, Mark. Am I wrong here? Yeah, you're 100% right. And again, like, there's an aspect of this that we'll just never know. But looking, for instance, at the Emerson cross tabs, and polling is not perfect. And the subsample, excuse my dog, for black voters is probably small and his big margin of error. But their poll had Stevens winning by 40 among black voters. And then you look at inner city.

you know, districts in Detroit. And it's like, okay, they're coming in 50. They're coming in higher than that in some places, probably you have Jim Clyburn that was shilling for the establishment candidate, probably out there, like knows how some of these electioneering rackets work. I'm not accusing anybody at anything. So I think it's pretty clear, like what probably happened. And we're seeing these kinds of things in other races, too, where a lot of money gets poured in. to help shore up an establishment candidate or ensure that they win. And again, like, you know, Syed's crazy. Like, yes, we should not have to fund the police, right? Like, obviously, he's crazy. But the problem that the Republicans have to wrestle with is that he's going to moderate and he's not going to run on that stuff. And he's going to run like Zohran Mamdani, which is just like, hey, let me give you a big economic hug. I'm here to help save you and fix things. And it's bad for the youth. That's going to appeal to people. Well, I want to ask a speculative question mark, which is there was also, there weren't super competitive Republican races, so their turnout was lower. But they had a primary for District 8. That's the Flint area. And there was a candidate who dropped out, had stopped campaigning, Thomas Smith. And he actually defeated pretty easily, like 17 points here, Amir Hassan, who was the endorsed candidate by President Trump. And so. I guess it's worth asking. Do you think this is some sort of name factor where people are getting spooked by these more Islamic sounding names? And could that end up playing a role in the general election where we have Mike Rogers, super generic, you know, English sounding name versus Abdul El-Sayed? So I'm going to try and... provide what I think are like the core logic that applies to all these races when we look at them is that you have your firm straight ticket Republican base voter and you have your firm straight ticket Republican Democrat voter. They're kind of two different people. The Democrat just wants to win. They don't really care so much about the candidate. The Republican would like to see the Republican do something. And because of that and because traditionally Republicans don't. do as much there are less of those people there are less of the core we know this like we saw this nationwide electorally but what there are is this surge volume of people who are a lot more malleable and less ideological and they don't care about things as much like the muslims guys going to turn them off so if you're going with those people you have to have a strategy All right, Mark, I want to get into two things now. And that is, the C-SPAN caller, this clip is just... gold and i have to play it because i think there's lessons for the republican side on this as well and then i want to talk about how how brutal this primary was and you already got Hasan Piker saying we're not going to mend fences these guys were calling him a terrorist and all this stuff so there's i think some opportunity to exploit that uh let's go ahead and start with this sod 11 this is c span call he's 19 years old it's caller named brooks play 11

Brooks, did you vote today? Yes, I voted today. I voted for Abdul El-Sayed. I like a lot of his policies, Medicare for All, but what really convinced me is I've seen Haley Stevens talk far more passionately about her support for Israel than anything she has for Michigan. So I feel voting for her would leave blood on my hands, and I can't do that. And how old are you, Brooks? I'm 19. You're 19. So this is my first election. Very excited to vote for Abdul El-Sayed. So I guess the question is, Mark, and I know that you and Rich and some others have basically been saying, hey, this APAC money has become toxic, whether it's right or wrong, whether it's justified or not. You know, a lot of people think of it as lobbying for a foreign country. We have to correct the record that these are Jewish Americans, right? But they are interested in Israel. So maybe it's a distinction without a difference on some levels. But. How prevalent is this when you're polling, especially Gen Z, anybody under 40 or maybe even 50? And how much does this bleed into how Mike Rogers should message on this topic? Well, that's a lot to answer. First off, you're not going to see people put foreign policy very high on their list of interests when they go to vote. It's just not. It's like six, seventh, or eighth, whenever you stack rank these things. But Israel is an issue. And I would really bring out two issues. There's capitalism versus socialism and Israel. And the reason that these young people are going towards, you know, candidates like this. is because they think that older people are too focused on Israel, and they think that people aren't focused on their economic livelihoods. And that's the big one. So overwhelmingly, economy is the number one issue. The young voters, I could just rattle off a ton of polling about how they think the entire system is cooked against them. And what's really wild is that most under 40 voters, including Trump voters, people that voted for Trump, overwhelmingly support things that sound really socialist, like nationalizing industries or confiscating excess wealth. These are people who call themselves conservatives. I think it was over 50% of under 40 Trump voters in one of our polls said that they would actually vote for a socialist candidate. So the problem is an optics and messaging problem for the right, okay? And things in my opinion that aren't going to work are putting Israel first or accusing other people of being a socialist. Young people don't really aren't scared by that. And even I don't think the xenophobia stuff like we talked about before the break is going to be very effective because I think these people want to be put first and are expecting authenticity and quite frankly the maturity to get into government and sort of like deliver on what you promised. And what that needs to be if you want to capture the under.

really it's the under 50 voter now, in my opinion, is national economic populism. And I said this message to Trump last fall, and I wish there had been more listening. And maybe now it's too late. I don't know. But what you need to give these people is something to vote for. A reason that Republicans long term will fix the problems that are structurally affecting young people in America. And that means providing some kind of meaningful alternative to socialism. And it ain't just more of the same. Like granddaddy's capitalism is not going to win. It might win for a little longer as long as you keep dumping, advertising into the boomer linear television slots. But there's going to be a tipping point, and the young people aren't going to be fighting the same right-left battle that the older, more ideological generations are. It's going to be over putting themselves first and getting what they want. And unfortunately for Israel, they've made themselves a pretty big whipping boy over this. And I tried to say this was going to be a problem. And my advice. for Trump wasn't like don't do the Iran strike. It's make sure that you show people that you're still putting their economic situation first despite whatever else you do. And they would let him get away with whatever. I mean, nobody really cared about Venezuela. We were in and out. And we were still focused on, you know, the economy and the domestic policy agenda. Yeah, and listen, I think this, what everything you're saying, I basically, you know, I think there's really well articulated there. And none of this should be interpreted as anti-Israel or anti-Semitic. No, I think we, you know, it bears repeating. We think that stuff is brain rot and it's garbage from the pit of hell. But when we're talking about pure politics, it's important to understand what young people are hearing, how they're interpreting it, and what they're voting on. And your message here, I totally agree, is. economy, economy, economy. What are my felt realities? And we can tell people they have to cook their own burritos and they need to cook from home all they want. But at the end of the day, things are expensive. And that's not necessarily Trump's fault. I think he deserves a lot of credit for bringing inflation back down, especially when you're navigating the complexities of the Iran war. But the felt situation for many young people, especially, is that we just... are not getting what we hoped we would get. And maybe those expectations were unrealistic, but that is a lived experience and that it has political ramifications. So we just need a message on it. We need big national messaging PR battles on this front about what we're doing to address the problems domestically. Okay. I've only got a few seconds here. So I want to hit this last point. There is carnage after this primary mark on the Democrat side. And I think we need to take. a note of it. Here's Hasan Piker talking about mending bridges. He doesn't like it. Sot 6. Like everyone being like Abdullah has a ton of work to do mending bridges. Here's the take nuke for you. Okay. You are all unbelievably Islamophobic pieces. Okay. So we're not getting conciliatory messaging from the chief El-Sayed pusher, Hasan Piker here. What can Democrats do to exploit this, Mark, one minute?

No, I think they can learn from the situation that what you're seeing is playing out on both the right and the left right now. There are people, intractable people in both sides who are fighting over basically Israel and the economy. And when I say the economy, it's not just prices. It's the idea that the entire economic system is cooked against younger people. This happened before Biden inflation. Remember, Bernie Sanders is doing very well with young people long before the inflation was a problem. So what we have is an issue where the workers aren't being represented. There's too much globalism, financialization, rent seeking, have ruined everything. And right now, again, I think that's the biggest opportunity because it was a natural extension of Trump's platform, which is to realize. We have to change the way the economy works for people in this country. Now, you can laugh at Hasan Piker. I don't know how effective it's going to be, but we have the same people that are trying to purify through subtraction, which is a term me and Rich both came up with. It's not an effective strategy to build a coalition. Mark Mitchell, great stuff. Head pollster at the honest polling company. Thank you, my friend. Talk to you soon. Gentlemen, let's get real for a second. Are you frustrated with today's woke dating scene, the apps, the games, the endless swiping? It's a waste of time. Finding a woman who shares your values, faith, family, patriotism, if it feels nearly impossible, it doesn't have to. Selective search, America's leading matchmaking firm is changing the game. They connect strong, successful men like you, men who love God, love America, want a family with women who share your values. These are intelligent, faith-driven women who put family first and still believe in traditional values. Imagine that. If you're a single conservative man in his late 30s to early 50s in Southern California, listen up. Selective Search has an exclusive network of women ready for the real thing. Here's the best part. Their candidate program is 100% free and confidential. Some of our closest friends the show have used Selective Search. And let me tell you, they're meeting great, great women, high quality women. This is your chance. This isn't an app. It's your answer. The perfect conservative woman is out there waiting for you. Visit selectivesearch.com slash California today. Let the professionals introduce you to women already looking for someone like you in Southern California. Don't wait for the perfect match. Take action now. Go to selectivesearch.com slash California and start building the future you deserve.

We have Tommy Tuberville, the great senator from the state of Alabama, who's going to be the next governor of that state. We're sad to lose him from the Senate. But given how crazy the Senate is getting, I can imagine that selfishly you are probably looking forward to a change of pace there, Senator. So we got to talk about it. You are Mr. Sharia. You are fighting it at every turn. We now haven't... Abdul El-Sayed, who is the Democrat primary winner in Michigan. He's a man of Egyptian descent. He spent his summers in Egypt. He talked about that last night. And he's a radical communist, and he's going to be the Democrat standard bearer in that state up against Mike Rogers. Your take, sir. The enemy is inside the gate, and they're coming hard. And unfortunately, our education system has pushed a lot of our younger kids. And then, of course, we have Democrats that are actually Democrats, but they're followers. They're not leaders. And they're following this socialist, communist agenda to a T. And we're fighting it every day here. But we don't have enough fighters on our side, on the Republican side. You know, we think everything's going to run on the autopilot, and it's going to be okay. If we don't straighten out this country's voting, if we don't straighten out this country's immigration system. We're not going to make it. It's going to be over with. And as you said, I'm going to go back to Alabama and we're, hey, we might build a 30-foot wall around our state because I know what's coming. I can see it coming. I can hear it coming. You know, you can just smell it out there that they want to take this country over. And they're not, you know, they're a lot more aggressive than we are as Americans. Yeah, I think that's right. So this is, this is, uh, Abdul El-Sayed talking about his American experience. Stop four. I know what America gave me. I spend summers in Egypt. I got my medical education paid for by the NIH. And at the same time, growing up just 15 minutes away from me, children whose families had been here far longer than mine who never got those same opportunities. So he's talking about economics. He's talking about Medicare for all. He's talking about making things more affordable. This is their messaging, but it's all going to lead to disaster. It's been tried time and time again, but there's a couple issues. Senator, we have economic illiteracy with so many young people. It's just a fact. I mean, I've talked to them. These are good kids. They're good patriots. They love their country. They just don't. I'll never forget. We were doing a roundtable for our chapter leadership summit. And one of the girls around the table, Senator, said that maybe a solution was increasing the minimum wage. as if that would have any practical impact on anything other than making things more expensive. But this is a problem because this message is rosy and I'm worried that we are not as Republicans countering it with a positive vision of how our ideas are actually the ones that are going to work. And I'm worried we're not focused enough on that.

Your take. Yeah, well, we don't have a game plan. I mean, there's no plan intact up here from the federal government that takes this back to our kids all over the country and explains to them the difference between socialism, communism, and being a capitalist country. They don't realize how good we have it here. Now, I can understand a lot of them going to these universities and getting a degree in sociology and spending $150,000 or borrowing $150,000 and getting out. And they can't get a job at Walmart because they didn't get a degree that actually you can get a job. Our universities have become a business instead of an educational institution. They want to make money. They enable all these woke professors that have been there for years that are on tenure to preach whatever they want to preach, and they're not controlled. So we've got a lot of problems. And President Trump wants to take education out of the... federal government, he's exactly right. We have to do that. If we don't, that's going to be a continuation of just indoctrinating these kids in this woke ideology. But again, that and then immigration of letting these people come here from countries that just, that have no clue. This guy says, we deserve 9-11. What that? It's what's been 25 years. It hadn't been that long ago. What are you talking about? Oh, and I got my degree because of NIH. Who you think paid for your degree? Capitalists in this country paid money, tax money, and NIH has stolen it for years and given it to people all over the world. It is, we've got a broken system. The federal government's broken. President Trump's trying to put it back together. But unfortunately, he's been fought from both sides from Republicans and Democrats. Tommy Tuberville, I think it's, we had a writer on Helen Andrews yesterday, and she talked about what should really frighten us is how easy these figures like Hasan Piker, like El-Sayed, these guys who their parents weren't born here, maybe they themselves weren't born here, but how. adept they are at using this lingo of white supremacy, of America as a racist country, as America as a nation that needs to atone and pay reparations, especially to people like themselves or their parents or their kids who only recently arrived here. And we were also discussing this in context, we still have Republicans on Capitol Hill who say, we need more guest workers, more migration from the third world. We're basically... sticking our head into a noose here of let's bring in people who are adopting this rhetoric of let's destroy America and we're just feeding it to them and it's so easy for them to build their entire lives and now win elections around it like who are they fooling Yeah, we're walking into a war zone without a gun and there's nobody fighting back. Everybody, let me tell you what happens up here. We're more worried right now about going out and campaigning and trying to keep a majority than we are doing what we should do. How about we take care of the American people? Don't worry about getting elected. I mean, we don't try to play to win up here. All we try to do is survive. And that has gotten us in trouble. We should be passing everything in the world, bust a filibuster.

Because folks, it is coming. When they get control and it's not going to be too far down the road with the people we have elected now up here in the Senate and the House, by the way, that we're going to be controlled by these communists and it's going to be game set match. I mean, we are on the last leg. I mean, this is not where this could happen 30, 40, 50 years from now. It's going to happen a year or two from now if we don't understand what is happening. But again, We got too many people that love power. We got too many people that are greedy. We have too many people that really don't understand anything other than... I just want to come back up here. I want to have my name as a congressman or a senator. Yeah, I mean, and that's true. They want the title, but we can't even get Republicans to stay in D.C. during the August recess. Now, throw up 182. You are proudly one of these people. And by the way, if you weren't, anybody who's not calling to cancel the August recess is not allowed on this show right now. I mean, probably ever. But 182, throw the image up here. That's a good chunk of the GOP. in the Senate. And yet we can't get leader soon to get behind this effort and get the Save America Act passed. Let's play cut 13. First is there are no Democrats who are going to vote for this. All 47 voted against the Save Act five times. So let's make this an issue in the campaign. How about we go out and turn our fire on Democrats and make it about them opposing the SAVE Act? So we're not, that's the point. So we're not getting any Democrats. The second thing is we are not getting rid of the legislative filibuster. The votes aren't there to do that. I've made it abundantly clear many, many times. And it seems to me some days that I'm the only one here who can count to 50 in this town. I mean, I just hear that and I just hear it gets my blood boiling. I'm going to be honest. We have had a trifecta of Republican control in the House, Senate, and the White House five times in the last century, five times. Most of the time it's two-year stints. And he wants to use it for the next election. Has he not looked at the polling? We've got, like time is short. I cannot, for the life of me, wrap my head around what the hell he's talking about. Cancel the August recess. And I'm sorry to get worked up, but this has been building up in me for so long. Senator, I know you got to keep things collegial because it's what you senators kind of have to do. But what is going on? Why can we not cancel the stinking August recess? Well, first of all, there's a lot of Trump derangement syndrome up here. They want the country to stay the way it was. They don't understand how it's changing underneath us as we speak. I mean, there's a war going on out there. This is not the America that we knew just five, six, seven years ago. This is totally changed. And the president, he sees it. He sees it. Okay, you know, things have to change here. You got to bust a filibuster. The only way we're going to keep majority is bust a filibuster.

pass everything we possibly can at 51, get the country back on track. Because when and if they do, eventually they're going to bust the filibuster. The only way we can get reelected up here is do something for the American people. Let me tell you something. There's going to fight their tails off. If we go on recess at the end of this week, we will not come back until the middle of September. Then we'll go two weeks. Then we're gone again for another month. And then we have the midterms. It's going to be games that match. You know, they're looking at us going, we gave the majority and you're not doing anything. Why should we go for you again? Yeah, exactly. Listen, I am of the perspective that the Democrats are unacceptable. Okay, this country cannot absorb another three to five million illegals every year under the Democrat rule. Okay? We can't. We can't. So that is out. of the option list, okay? They have lost their minds. They're a bunch of communists. Obviously, that's unacceptable. But for the love, Republicans, if you don't do your job, people in the middle, normies, people that are not clued in are not going to come out and vote for you if you don't deliver. If you want to get elected again, deliver for the people. We're out here screaming and hollering, begging these people in D.C. to listen to us. And I got like you and Mike Lee. I just cannot wrap my head around it, Senator. It's so frustrating. I know you're not done railing against the Save America Act, the fact that we can't get this done. So the floor is yours, sir. Yeah, well, it's mind-boggling to me how we even have Republicans are against this. One set as draconian. Let me explain it this way. Since I've been here, There's about 12 to 14 states in this country. We'll never win as conservative Christians, constitutionalists. We're not going to win because they cheat the heck out of us. They're all rigged. And there's over a dozen of them. And so those states will never get a congressman, will never get a senator, obviously won't get a governor. But at the end of the day, if you look at this, it's growing a couple, two, three, possibly a year. We're going to get to a point. We're not going to have any. majorities in this country. So we're going to get run over. So that's a reason we have to. And in the past, you probably didn't need federal oversight of these elections. But you do now because these people are bound and determined to cheat at every turn. And so that's the reason we need to Save America Act. Now, we're going to have one shot at it, I think possibly this weekend. And we're going to do a reconciliation of trying to get a supplemental for the military, which they need about $60 billion. And we're going to try to connect it with that. Now, somehow, some way, we'll have to word it where the parliamentarian will keep it in there. Now, this parliamentarian is a Democrat. She should have been fired when we took over, but we didn't do it. It was, I think, a Harry Reid appointment. But we can fire the parliamentarian. And if she doesn't go along with this, our leader. John Thune needs to fire immediately because that's what happened. Trent Lott fired a parliamentarian when she didn't agree with or he didn't agree with him years ago and it got something across the finish line. We better start playing hardball here because we're playing softball. We're playing, oh, we're Mr. Nice guy. The hell with that. We have to start playing hardball and get to Save America across the line. It will not make a lot of difference in this election coming up.

But the years to come, if we don't, we're going to lose more and more of these states that are going to figure this out on how to cheat, how to change balance, do the things they need to do, and this country will be gone. I actually would disagree with you on this election, Tommy Tuberville, for one very important reason, which I think, Andrew, you'd agree. We've been hearing about this all year, the Save America Act, President Trump has been touting it. We've heard Republican senators, some of the ones who are now slow playing it or saying we can't pass it, we're making noise. Oh, yeah, we're working on this. We think we can find a way to get it through. And they've just done these delay tactics, delay tactics, delay tactics all year. And if they get all the way to Election Day and it's not passed and everyone decides they were lying to us this whole year, it's going to murder our turnout. You practically at this point, I think, have an obligation to pass it or the entire base is going to feel like they were cheated and lied to. And here's what I would say, Coach, you know, you go back to that John Thune clip. He's saying, am I the only one in Washington who can count to 50? No, sir. That is an idiotic thing to say in a microphone. Okay, first of all, second of all, just do the dang vote. Just do it. Go out on the floor and do the talking filibuster like Senator Lee has been proposing and put names on the board so we know who to primary next. If you're going to vote against this, then I want to know. Okay? That's this. And by the way, the American people deserve that. They deserve the transparency. Go show that you actually. are willing to let the process play out, even if you don't have the votes. Stop covering for these cowards and make them put their name on the line. I totally agree with you. Now, the last time we put it for a vote was in reconciliation back in June. I think Lindsey Graham had it as an amendment, and we got 49 votes. We made progress. We made progress. We got 49. We can add more. But again, at the end of the day, it's either got to be a 51 vote. We can't get 60 because none of these idiots on the Democrat side are ever going to vote for it. But we can get to 51 through reconciliation if we just press people. and let them know how important it is. They'll start hearing from people back home. But if you don't vote on it, like you said, then your constituents don't know who's against it. And so this weekend will be a big test. It'll be a big, big deal. What day is that, Senator? I would say Friday or Saturday. And Ron Johnson wants a reconciliation. He's the new budget chair taking over for Lindsey Graham. He said he'll run the floor. He'll do it the right way. And I think we'd have a great chance. Again,

we got to have a leader stand up and say enough's enough of this. Yeah. You know, Coach, this is the problem, I think, and I'm just being cards on the table. I've called for him to be removed now, and I think he's earned every bit of that. But here's the deal. If you don't actually call the vote, if you don't do the things, then you're just a coward that's covering up for other cowards. Okay? I don't care if you don't have the votes. We want the vote to happen, and we want to see who's voting against the interests of the base. We want to see. who is betraying conservatives because you're right. Time is short. People don't understand what we're up against. The demographic landslide that we're facing as a country, the fact that we've got distractions in the Middle East instead of focusing domestically, this is serious business. So we got one last shot at this, and we got to get it done. Failure is not an option. Final minute to you, coach. Well, you're exactly right. We've got a lot of problems in this country, a lot of them, and we're stopping a lot of the fraud. You know, we lose $100 million an hour, 365 days to money that we lose to fraud and theft in this country. A hundred million. How stupid is that? And that's the reason that we need doge. We needed President Trump to come in. We've got to cut back on these dang bureaucrats who are stealing us blind. The American people need to wake up and get out and vote. My God, folks, this is. This is past serious. We only had 20% of the people vote in Alabama in the primary. 20%. We better get upwards of 50, 60, 70% in some of these states, or we're going to get whitewashed. People are going to run right over the top of us, and especially these states that are going to jam the ballot boxes with all these fake ballots. So, folks, we got to go vote. We got to go vote and take our country back. And you saw that last night in Michigan, by the way. They're stuff in ballot boxes. I mean, some of these returns didn't make any sense. The establishment Dems were doing all their electioneering shenanigans to try and rig it for Stevens. It wasn't enough, but it was darn near enough. I think the margins 14K right now. I mean, it's nothing. Abdul El-Sayed's going to win, but they tried like heck to steal it. So we have to vote. You're absolutely right. The only thing that can overcome it is being too big to rig in these states because we haven't fixed crap. And the guy's a terrorist. He's a terrorist. think about that i agree with you god bless you sir you're one of the good ones If you're struggling with cravings, bloating, and stubborn weight gain, your gut health is probably playing a bigger role than you think. A damaged microbiome can affect everything from inflammation and digestion to cravings and weight gain. And with today's processed foods and environmental toxin, a lot of people's digestive health is taking a big major hit, which is why taking care of your gut health may be more important now than ever before. That's where a fermented food called kimchi can make a real difference. Kimchi is naturally rich in over 900 probiotic strains that help support gut bacteria. Because when your gut bacteria are properly supported, your body is better able to process food efficiently. Regulate cravings and support digestion, even maintain a healthier metabolism overall. Studies show that eating kimchi can reduce your body fat by 31.8%.

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Hey, that's great too. I agree with that. We don't want to center around a system. We don't want to center it around democracy. We don't want to center it around capitalism. We want to center it on the biblical morality, the biblical foundation that we're endowed by our creator. Our rights are given by God. The government only helps enforce those rights, protect those rights, not give those rights. However, I think... This plays into just this idea that we see on social media about capitalism and socialism and capitalism is sometimes just portrayed as greed. But here's how I always see really the value statement. Capitalism values freedom. And that is why it is not a perfect system. It's the best system that we've found economically because it values liberty. It values self-determination. It values that you get to spend your own money and you get to be generous if you choose so. Because generosity has to be a choice. The other option is socialism, which values fairness. And the government wants to take... you know, seize your capital and then they give it out. That's not generosity because you can't be generous with someone else's finances, with someone else's money. And so we have to be aware of what the foundation should be, biblical morality, because that provides the guardrails for capitalism to succeed. Why would capitalism succeed? Because you have biblical guardrails, then, you know, the conservative party historically is way more generous. Why? Because they have the freedom to be generous. The downside of capitalism is if left unchecked, it will develop greed. It will develop selfishness, a love for money. The Bible has a lot to say about that. But the answer to that is not, well, then let's just get rid of capitalism. Because what you're saying is let's get rid of the freedom. Let's get rid of the choice. Well, God didn't do that. God didn't say, hey, Adam and Eve, you're done making choices, robots now. No, he said, I... Essentially, God says, I am going to risk what is on the other side of giving freedom, which is they could use that freedom to be generous or to be selfish. But that's the risk. So capitalism is the most biblical economic system that we have because it values freedom and choice, which is something the Bible has a lot to say about and stewardship and generosity. It's not the perfect system. It reminds me of the quote about democracy. Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the other forms. So we're not looking for a perfect system. We're looking for the most biblical system to run economics in a nation. And historically speaking and biblically speaking, it's been capitalism. It doesn't mean it's perfect. Of course it can lead to greed and selfishness. But that's the, that's the risk of freedom. I think that's so correct. And I think you want to take the long view here. You mentioned that capitalism has given America the wealth to be generous. And I think it's worth reminding people how unusual America is in that regard, that we are a nation of givers in our own communities and around the world. Basically, there are almost entire countries that are reliant on the charitable giving of Americans. That America is the country that produces missionary, far more missionaries than any other country come out.

of America to go around the world. And I think that's directly linked to our free market system. Even our way of our very energetic church environment, the way that there is so many different competing Protestant churches, Catholic churches that we're very on the ball religiously. And I think that's actually a side effect of having this capitalist worldview, that if you... don't like the way something works, you can go and make your own version of it. And what we see in socialist countries is everyone instead, they lose the capacity to do that. It's always the state should come in and bail me out. The state should decide this. I don't have the ability to decide for myself. And eventually you don't want to decide for yourself anymore. To the extent that it needs clarification, because I think there was some consternation about that clip. Like, what does TPSA stand for? No, no, no. We are pure capitalist, like, in the sense that we are very pro-capitalism, with guardrails, with biblical guardrails. We're not pro-gread. We're not pro-materialism. We're not pro-worshipping at the altar of having billions of dollars or anything like that. You know, Charlie would often say that capitalism is the most proven, moral, and effective. economic system in the world. And, you know, you said it's the most we've, the best we've found. Well, it's kind of actually inverted that it found us in many ways. It's kind of a natural outflow of the human spirit of the way we are wired to freely exchange goods and services. And so there's no, hopefully there's no, uh, lack of clarity on that front. But I love what you're bringing in. So much of the solution to our problems in this country is not more government. It's we need to be better people. We need to, we need to cry out to the Lord to make our country great from a character standpoint, from a faith standpoint. That's the answer to so many of our problems. And when we invite government in, it usually, you know, in Reagan's famous words, I'm not a huge Reagan quota all the time. But, you know, the, the, the scariest words in the English language is I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Final minute in this segment to you. Yeah, no, I think it's I think it's really important. And I think when we understand the number one value of these two systems, capitalism values freedom it values liberty and that makes sense why america has uh has been a capitalist nation is because what was the founding principle life liberty and the pursuit of happiness or john locke life liberty and property so it's what it's saying is that's a value statement number one thing is life and then the other two are my personal

happiness, my self-determination, and my liberty. The government can't take those away from me, and they didn't give them to me. And you ask any, you know, a person that values socialism, they value fairness. Hey, that's great. My kids love fairness too. But, you know, when they realize fairness is not the greatest value is when you go to a school and you say, hey, equal opportunity, right? That fair? Yeah, it's fair. Equal opportunity and equal, you know, what is it called? outcome and they're like yeah yeah that sounds good sounds right and you okay okay uh so here's your test scores you got an a you got a you got a b you got a c you got a d you got an f let's just everyone's going to see minus sound good fair Well, the S students like, that's fair. And then the A student's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, socialism is not fair to the producers and the people who work their tails off and sacrifice sleep and all this stuff. So you are your pastor and director of Patriot Mobile Faith. We love Patriot Mobile, by the way, great capitalist company, great success story, all-American success story. I want to talk about this distinction because I have talked to Jack about what he meant by that. And I'm assuming we're going to get to it in Thought Crime this week as well, which is our Thursday streaming show. You know, so for him, he was saying, yeah, I'm a national populist, which incorporates capitalism, right? But it's sort of a way of saying we're going to apply certain sensible regulations to make sure that we're directing and incentivizing capital in the country in ways that benefit. the nation, right? So as opposed to offshoring and hollowing out our industrial base and shipping all the jobs off to China in exchange for rubber trinkets that's going to end up in the trash someday, we're actually going to incentivize through tax code regulation that companies invest here, that they hire American, that they do things that are good for the American population. So, you know, Jack wrote a whole book hitting communism and attacking communism by no means. I think it would be a very unfair. interpretation of his comments to say that he was somehow against capitalism. But I do think that this is a worthwhile debate to have, and I think we're going to be having it ahead of 2028, about the right way to talk about capitalism. And my concern, and then the floor will be yours, is that if we don't do this, young people are so inundated by this pro-socialism message that they're going to say, well, I don't want the old way as it's been. And this is a way to sort of filter that message and thread the needle and say, hey, we're hearing your concerns that the middle class, working class is getting hammered in some ways, especially when it comes to burritos and affordability. But we're not ditching capitalism. Your thoughts. Yeah, I think when it gets down into the nitty gritty, which is one of the reasons why, you know, clipping up something can be so destructive because you take something out of context. Well, we do that with Scripture too. We take one verse out of context and we can make it say whatever we want. And so I think what we have to...

constantly go back to, unfortunately, is defining terms. What do you mean when you say capitalists? And if someone says, oh, you know, I'm greedy, you know, money hungry, you're like, okay, that's not what I mean by capitalism. I mean, by capitalism, I mean the economic structure in which we value freedom of exchange, freedom of movement, you know, generosity, all those things, liberty. And so we have to define those terms and then juxtapose to the other options. When you're talking about, you know, populism, then now we're, like you said, threading a needle. Okay, what do we mean by that? It's not anti-capitalism, but we're wanting to benefit our nation first. Well, that's great. And the America First movement has then taken that to mean, okay, America First. And now we have to define, do we mean America First or America Only? Because if we have this biblical foundation that we're talking about, The Bible has a lot to say about the church caring for orphans and widows, the Good Samaritan caring for your neighbor. And so as long as we mean America first, like the analogy often given of the oxygen mass coming down on the airplane and putting yours on first, because if I'm incapacitated, I can't help my neighbor. I totally agree with that. But if we're saying America only that we shouldn't be involved anywhere outside of our own borders, well... that's that's taking away the biblical principle of generosity and kindness and loving your neighbor so that's i kind of always find myself having to go back to redefining terms that have been outlandishly used in the in personified to mean one small definition capitalism means greed or whatever it is yeah and david i have a perfect example of this that you know pure unfettered capitalism It can lead to excesses. It can lead to bubbles. It can lead to monopolies. This is why conservatives are reexamining the legacy of somebody like Teddy Roosevelt, right? The famous trust buster. He believed that the monopolies that had developed during the Gilded Age had basically resulted in, you know, I guess excessive prices for consumers, excessive influence among a very elite oligarchy that had developed, whether that be... economic influence or political influence. And so he broke up some of those companies. And there are benefits that could be had from those types of things. Now, another limit that we put on capital is immigration, right? Big businesses would love to flood the nation with unfettered mass migration of third worlders and cheap slave labor. And we have rejected that at the ballot box when we elected President Trump. Now, that doesn't mean that you have to be an absolutist on any of those things, but it does mean that. obviously there are sensible things that you can do to regulate or incentivize the movement of capital to best suit your national interest. And I think I think it's actually worth emphasizing that point that.

A friend of mine pointed out, I've been talking to him about this, and he says, one of the better ways, if you want to defend capitalism, is just really defend against all the other stuff they want. Because so many of the people who are complaining about capitalism, they're actually totally in league with them on let's bring in the entire third world here. So they'll actually concede them that point and say, oh, actually, yeah, let's give big business what they want. Endless migrant labor, endless slave labor, endless, like literally illegal immigrants. They actually just want to. Crash America, blow it up. And we should be pointing that out and fighting against that. And you really just get, I think you get capitalism almost as a side effect of it. You don't need to say we're shilling for business. You just say, we're rejecting all of these ideas that are clearly motivated by people who hate America and want to burn it down. I just think we're, as believers were called to hold the tension between oftentimes two incredibly unhealthy extremes. Yeah. media often wants to push to the extremes. And we find Jesus often holding a tension between compassion and truth and not having to sacrifice one for the other. And I think we can do that with almost every debate. What's the tension here? Because we're not going to go to these extremes. It's actually more nuanced. But as a comedian said, the new N-word is nuanced. We don't want to talk about it. And it's like, no, we need to talk about. Pastor, Ecclesiasty 718, whoever fears God will avoid all extremes. God bless you. We'll talk to you soon. Hi folks, Andrew Colvette here. I'd like to tell you about my friends over at Y Reefi. You've probably been hearing me talk about Y Refi for some time now. We are all in with these guys. If you or someone you know is struggling with private student loan debt, take my advice and give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments. Maybe you're even in default. You don't have to live in this nightmare anymore. Why Refai will provide you a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually. They can save you thousands of dollars and you can get your life back. We go to campuses all over America. We see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. Y Refi can help. Just go to yrefi.com. That's the letter Y, then refi.com. And remember, Y Refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to whyrefi.com and tell them your friend Andrews sent you. We're going to talk about daylight savings time or standard time. We're going to have that debate. It's about to go down. It's not a debate. Standard time is superior. This is the problem with this debate. Everybody's so dug into their ideological trenches. Yeah, but my trench is correct. So without further ado, I'm so excited about this. So we have Sarah Kleiner joining us. Welcome to the show, Sarah. I'm going to give you a little bio here. You're the creator of the My Circadian app. You're board certified and applied quantum biology by the American naturopathic medical board. You've spent over 15 years of working one-on-one with clients to optimize nutrition, lifestyle, and mindset. Your goal is to shift the way we think about circadian rhythms, health, nutrition, and light. So we can better integrate those into our life. And it doesn't matter what stage of life or anything like that. So we're honored to have you. You come very highly recommended by Alex Clark, who's our official maha expert around here. So it's great to have.

have you. Thank you so much for having me. Yes, absolutely. So Trump, President Trump, wants permanent daylight savings time. Blake wants permanent standard time. What is the right answer? I mean, the American Academy of Sleep Medicine and every single circadian scientist that I have ever spoken with is on the time of permanent standard time. That's the one that aligns with our biological clock. We have mountains of evidence to show how important it is for anxiety, depression. obesity, heart health. I mean, we have the research available. And I have, I saw the, I guess it was a statement Trump put out yesterday that Riley was kind enough to send me and kind of have looked through a lot of that. And I have a lot of thoughts on. Some of the things he said, there's some there's some half truths in there. But I'm definitely on team permanent standard time. You and Blake are on the same team. So that means I'm the odd man out and I have to play devil's advocate. I have to play devil's advocate here. So this is the quote from Trump for many years. The vast majority of Americans have asked to make daylight savings time permanent. But no administration has been able to get it done until now. I'm proud to announce the House of Representatives has passed the bill and it has now gone to the Senate for final approval. People are sick and tired of having to change their clocks twice a year. This we agree with, right? I do not want to change the clocks anymore. We agree with that. Yeah, he says it's foolish, inconvenient, in some cases very costly. For cities and states with watchtowers and hard-to-reach places, it costs millions of dollars. A recent case was made that it is also bad for your health and the anxiety it creates. Leading medical, crime, and economic studies have shown that ceasing the biannual time change, giving us one extra hour of natural sunlight in the evenings, will help decrease robbery in murder rates, reduce car accidents, etc., etc. So... Okay, devil's advocate here. So Danny on our team grew up in the Upper Midwest. He says that on standard time in the winter, I believe I'm getting this right. Standard time in the winter, it's like dark all morning long. Or is that, am I getting that right? This is what's so confusing about this conversation. So it's because you're in the Upper Midwest, the days are shorter. And when you're on standard time, the sun is also going down earlier in the evening. Yeah, he basically doesn't, he doesn't want more dark at. a certain time i'm going to find this note here but he was he's he's very very open to this permanent daylight savings time the sun is going to rise very late in very late yeah right so this okay so here here's all let me let me reboot the there is a robbery issue so when you have it light later at night there is data to indicate that robberies decrease potentially as much as like 25 percent

So have you seen any of that data? And do you agree or disagree? I've seen the data. It's anywhere from 7% to 27%. So I'm definitely not going to refute that data. I don't want to have anyone fact check me. That's data. However, this is basically going from November to February. And it's from the hours of 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. And it's a real tradeoff. What we do have is we tried this in 1974. Within about two months, the approval rate went from 79% down to 42% because there were children being killed at bus stops. And people hated it so much. They hated the dark mornings. They thought they wanted it because it's kind of the same thing happening. Again, everyone, we're going to have this extra hour. And we're not really getting anything extra. We still have to deal with winter, which is a shorter photo period. You know, it's... That's not being talked about. And so what we're taking off the table is the ability for millions of people to actually get the morning light signal, which, as I've said, has robust data around it that they need in order to avoid a lot of health problems. This is, okay, so I did have it backwards. So on standard time, if you do permanent standard time, it will get light earlier during those winter months, right? Mm-hmm. It'll say how it's been. It'll just be how it's been. Because what we are in right now is DST, right? And then if the clocks change, if we just continue with current the way things are, then we'll do that falling back thing. And then in the spring we'll spring forward. And when Trump is saying there's health issues associated with the time change, he's correct. But that is because we strip away that hour in spring. That's where we see the increase in heart attack and stroke, cardiac events, mental health episodes, car accidents, all of those things. So that is correct. But that is because we're changing the time and taking an hour from people. Right. So if we just kept one or the other, we'd probably deal with some of these issues. We would love to just keep one, right? Right. But your argument is that that morning sun is really, really important for health outcomes. So if you go to standard time, it gets light a little bit earlier. So explain why that's so important. So you go, I've heard people tell me that when it, in the morning, you've got to sort of expose your body to natural sunlight to sort of kick your body into gear. What is that about? Well, you have a master clock in your brain that is essentially primarily signaled by light. It's called the super chisomatic nucleus. And when the eyes get this signal from light, it signals every single cell and organ system in your body, which also runs on a circadian clock, which is why in my practice, I have people reversing autoimmune conditions, getting pregnant after failed fertility treatments. I mean, I have a huge bank of people who have reversed health issues by simply... doing this practice of going outside in the morning. So we, like I said, the circadian research is robust here. And the argument I get, because I've spoken out on this a little bit on social media and gotten, this is one topic whenever I talk about it online, people get so angry. Oh, it's amazing. It's amazing. The camps are firmly entrenched here. The camps are firmly entrenched. You're right. You're waiting into perilous waters.

Well, when you mess with people's time, you're messing with their life. It's very personal to them. I just think that they don't really understand how this works because it's like I've heard this old Indian proverb that says you're taking a blanket and chopping, you know, tearing off the top part of it and trying to sew it onto the bottom and say acting like it's better. It's not because if you don't get that signal in your eyes in the morning, if you don't get enough brightness, you're not clearing residual melatonin. You are not resetting those circadian clocks that influence your appetite regulation, mood. All of those things need that bright morning signal. So you might get this extra hour, but guess what? You're going to feel kind of depressed. be at risk for obesity, lethargy, because you never got that proper wake-up signal that, again, the circadian science is pretty robust around this topic. I'm looking at the sunrise. I'm plugging in sunrise in different cities on January 1st right now. And then at an hour, if we were imagining permanent daylight savings time, it would be, you wouldn't have the sun come up in like Minneapolis until about. 9 a.m. if we were on permanent daylight savings time. This is January 1st, so one of the shorter days of the year. It's about 9 in Detroit. I checked Bismarck, North Dakota, so that's at the far western edge of central time. 9.30, a 9.30 sunrise there if we had permanent daylight savings time. Right now, it's happening in the 8 o'clock hour. So people are already at work, and there's no sun. And it's so bad. One of the things that really makes this extreme. School starts so early because they want to make it so parents can take their kids to school and then go in. So you'll have elementary kids getting up two, three hours before sunrise in these places so they can go to school. Yeah. It'll be dark at recess. At 8 o'clock, 8.30, the sun doesn't rise for another hour and a half. That is wild to think about. That's on permanent daylight savings. Yes. Yeah. What does that do for children? It's terrible for children. I mean, children need the sunlight signal. It's so incredibly important for their hormones, for their brain. The number one treatment for anxiety and depression is bright light therapy upon waking. So that is very established research. And so we already have a depression and anxiety, a mental health crisis going on with our children. Due to so many factors, I'm sure we would. agree on i've got two kids myself and now we're going to strip away the ability for them to get that bright light signal which could potentially offset some of the negative impact of what they're already up against as a you know as a generation wow yeah i mean it just feels like we're we're making the right choice in the sense that we're trying to get rid of this pesky clock change, which seems, I mean, it seems like everybody's basically against that. And I would love to hear your thoughts out in the audience. Send us an email, freedom at charliekirk.com. If you have any questions as well, what do you think you'd prefer? Permanent daylight savings time or permanent standard time? A little lighter in the morning or a little lighter at night? That's the question. Sounds like...

We need that light signal early in the morning, which is something I've heard about. And I actually have tried it and just stood out there and tried to get sun in the morning. You do kind of feel revived and awake a little bit faster. What do you tell us about your My Circadian app, Sarah? Yeah, I've been coaching people in this circadian health space for the last number of years after actually having my own miracle baby in my mid 40s. And he's three now. So I've really passionate about this. Yeah, thank you. Awesome little boy. And circadian lifestyle helped make that possible. And so I wanted an app that helped people understand when sunrise happened for them, when UVA, which. We were talking a little bit about this morning light. UVA is when you're making serotonin, dopamine, beta endorphin, these appetite hormones all come online. And I wanted them to understand when that was, as well as when they could make vitamin D because you can't make it year round. And then measure lux, which is this most well-studied measurement of light. The app has a lux meter in it. You want to get a 10,000 luxe. threshold in the morning and you want to keep your luxe below 10 at night the three hours leading up to bed and zero in your bedroom so you can measure that and that's going to really help you keep your circadian rhythms dialed in and you kind of have it there in your pocket oh that's great so why would it affect fertility i'm just curious Oh, man, because like I said, every single cell and organ system in your body is impacted by the signal of light. Your hormones run on a circadian rhythm. And that morning sunlight signal is incredibly important for what we call the HPA axis, which is going to signal your master hormone pregnant alone to talk to the other sex hormone. So if you're not making these hormones, especially in the morning, you're going to deal with fertility issues. And then we have the issue at night. It was... Women used to actually cycle with the moon. We have some really interesting data that came out in around 2010 that showed women stopped cycling. Actually, the research came out in 2022. It was done in 2010 that showed women cycled with the moon up until that time. What happened in 2010? We all got smartphones. And so women fell out of sync. Their menstrual cycles became irregular in 2010. because of this artificial light at night issue that we all have now so wait wait wait wait hold on so smartphones broke women's menstrual cycles it's a thing that's wild it's there's been books written on this topic of kidding wait so just because women are like scrolling instagram at night that broke their cycles I have women reverse hot flashes when I get them to get off the dang phone at night. So what time should women stop? If a woman wants to get pregnant and she just wants to make sure everything's, you know, her circadian rhythms are right, what time do you recommend stopping the scrolling? I mean, the science is 10 lux and below the three hours leading up to bedtime. So you get more than 10 lux off your cell phone screen, even if you turn it all the way dark.

And you get the blue light. Yeah, you get blue light, you get that lux. I mean, and that is enough to keep the brain making cortisol and restart, kickstart that sex steroid hormone pathway at night, which is the opposite of what we want. We want melatonin to come in because melatonin is actually a very reproductive, a powerful reproductive hormone. It's actually a very powerful hormone for cancer prevention. I mean, so many things. If you look at the data with artificial light at night and cancer, you will be astounded. I mean, it is robust. A way a lot of people have tried to deal with this, certainly on large computers, they'll get blue light filters so that, you know, basically makes their screen orange at night. I know I definitely have seen women they'll get, I think they get. kind of these spectacles that are supposed to filter out blue lights or whatever they're not glad i don't know they're not they're not for vision correction like me or even and i imagine you can probably get a similar app for your phone does that do enough or is that just sort of putting a band-aid over it that doesn't do that much and you're better just not using it at all It helps. It absolutely helps. That's why I have that Lux meter within the app because you have to use your partner's phone to measure what's coming off your phone. Keep it below 10. Turn your blue light filter on. Where your blue blockers, that's going to help. But the other thing that can keep your brain making cortisol is the brain waves that you're going to essentially make from being on your phone. You're going to stay in a high beta state, which can also. block melatonin. So there's a fine line. You have to walk with it. When I want people to be compliant, I'm going to say get the blue blockers, turn the dimness down on your phone, measure it. Good red light bulbs in your home. That's going to help tremendously. But at the end of the day, I want you powered down and sleeping so you can make all that melatonin at night and reap those health benefits. So what about, so I know everybody's, I know you're going to tell me I'm doing it wrong and that's probably fair. I watch TV at night before I go to bed or I read a book. So it's one or the two. And I try and do more reading. For years, I was not reading. I was watching TV. And now I'm about 70% of the time I'm reading a book before I go to bed. But the wife and I will watch a show together or something. You know, put the kids down. How bad is that? I tend to just like conk out. Like it doesn't seem to affect me. But how bad is that? And am I doing it wrong? Yeah, well, the great thing I love about the app is that you can take your blue blockers, put them over the lens, and measure at eye level. Because I like to watch a show every Sunday night right now that's on. Like one show a week, I let myself do that. So I'll sit from where I'm at on my couch, measure the lux. I'll have my blue blockers on. And I can typically get even my big TV down to about six lux without doing anything. So. We're the blue blockers. Watch your show every now and then stick to your 70% reading. And you're going to be ahead of most people. But you said the brainwaves, though, even. Aren't you still having some of those brainwaves that are keeping you up with reading? Yeah. It's a tradeoff. I mean, it depends on what you're reading, right? It really does. Right now I'm reading about English history.

Is it better to read really trashy novels or something that are like low brain effort versus, I don't know, philosophy? I mean, it's really dependent on the person. I think you'd probably be fine with philosophy or history rather than, you know, murder mysteries or some of the trashy novels people like to read that that might get you upset or emotional. You're probably safe with what you're reading, in my opinion. And, yeah. You know, we're just not thinking about light. I mean, because you think about ancient man, right? Like not even ancient man, just pre-electricity, man. Right. It was like, you know, you had candles or you had. little oil lamps. I mean, that was essentially your light at night. And it kind of forced you to go to bed with the rhythm of the sun. So your whole body is oriented around this. It's just we don't observe it anymore because we have electricity. We have artificial light. How much, I mean, how much of our modern health? Because I know there's so many areas of health, but how much of our modern health do you think is actually tied in our problems are tied to this light issue? Oh. So much. Look into Dr. Glenn Jeffrey, look at his research on the mitochondria, since you guys are talking to mitochondria. Look at how red light and near infrared impacts mitochondria positive. And blue light specifically impacts mitochondria negative. And our indoor environments are completely devoid of red and infrared light since we got rid of the incandescent bold. And we are in these blue, rich, heavy environments that are actually slowing down our mitochondria, slowing down our metabolism. It's created. He's likened it to asbestos. What light bulbs do you recommend we get at home? Infrared, if you can get them, incandescent, are always going to be the best. That was really fascinating conversation. I loved it. Hopefully you guys did it at home too. Thank you so much, Sarah. Yeah, standard time forever. Yay. Team standard time. Inclusion. We'll see you guys tomorrow.

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