Music Festival Mystery, Saving Joseph Smith Sphinx, WNBA Team When?

Today on Citacast Salt Lake, a new Utah music festival has suddenly disappeared itself. Plus, the plan to save Gilgall Garden from future development, and we explore when SLC will finally get a WNBA team. If ever, I'm host Ali Viartime here with newsletter editor Thedina Ria. Hi, morning. And CityCast Salt Lake contributor, Andy Larson. Good morning, Ellie. Hi, you two. All right. Let's start with a mystery. A music festival that was calling itself yours truly, yours only. Yours always. Yours always. Was. Supposed to be happening this October, headlined by Guy Benson Boone, someone named Somber, who I'm still trying to figure out who they are. But I know they were at Taylor Swift's wedding, so I kind of learned who they are from the tabloids, has suddenly been canceled. And it feels like the weird thing about this, I think we can all agree. is that there was no like really explanation. Like they didn't just cancel this festival. The branding for the festival sort of disappeared itself. Right. They like took down their social media. They immediately took down their website. And I feel like they didn't really like communicate very well with like the people who purchased tickets. They just they just kind of refunded everyone and was like and disappeared off the face of the earth. And even. For the people who are performing there, like the KSL article from Carter Williams, Who Rules, Joshua Karen Bass, one of the artists, said, no reason was given for the cancellation apart from quote-unquote unforeseen circumstances. And the cancellation has not been publicly announced. We only know it's canceled since fans have gotten refund emails. So they were hearing this from their fans and be like, I thought it was still on. What's going on? Yeah. That's wild to me. I mean, what do you think is going on here? So I did a little bit of digging. Okay. As you are want to do as a Salt Lake Tribune reporter. Yeah. So, and I got two hints that that merge with each other. So I think, I think I know what's going on. One, they were using the leap ticketing platform, which is not one I'm super familiar with, but it's, you know, what they were using to sell tickets. And the administrator for their kind of sales page, if you will, goes to a Kevin plus Y-A-F at RedWestSLC.com email address. Okay. Red West. First of all, I'm like, hmm, Red West, this is another music festival, the country music festival that happens at the Utah State Fair Park. Yeah. So then I was like, okay, let's look up and see if I can find the Red West business registration, which happens to be registered in Wyoming, which great. Okay, cool. now I look up yours always in the Wyoming business entity search and turns out there is a business entity called yours always that is registered to the same physical address as the Red West Festival in Wyoming. Great Nancy Drew. Andy, this is why we have you here. Yeah.

That's two connections that points, you know, the founder of the Red West Festival is a guy named Kevin Kolopi. I'm not sure how you say that, but C-O-L-O-P-Y. And so if he's got an email address that he's selling these tickets through and they have the same registration address in Wyoming, I think this was a Red West Fest. you know, a festival affiliated thing in some way. So it's kind of discouraging that one of the biggest music festivals in Red West is, I think, successful, is affiliated with this one that is just gone up kind of in the night. Yeah. How much are tickets to Red West? Do you know? Are they as much as this festival was? They are. I know expensive, but I mean, expensive is relative. But let's see what happens if I hit the Buy tickets now page. Hopefully, you know, that still works. Your computer implodes. Yeah. For a general admission ticket for Red West, it is $286. Okay. So like comparable. That's a lot. Yeah. But I think what's interesting about this to me, so there are. is another similarity, I would say, between this festival at Red West, which is that the way they announced it is just absolutely coming and swinging with a headliner. Like, I remember when Red West first came to exist a couple years ago. And was it the year that the headliner was like Casey Musgraves or something? Like the, what, the biggest star in country music in a while? You know, like they came in. and just announced this, like, incredible lineup. And that was how they kind of planted a flag. And it worked for them. And I think the thing about this, yours always, is that it? Yours Always Festival. That I'm like, I'm a mom being like the Batman. The Yours Always Festival is that they did the same thing, like somber huge name. Guy Benson Boone in Utah. Are you kidding? Huge name. This is someone who sold out the Delta Center multiple days. And so. also trying to plant the flag. What appears to have happened, this again is sort of speculation because we haven't heard from the organizers and we haven't even heard from the fair park on this, is that it didn't work this time. Like, for whatever reason, it didn't work. And the only thing that I can see that's like really different from what other festivals are doing where it's absolutely working is the target audience. Like Red West's a little bit older. Country music is sort of an all ages experience. You look at like the Kilby Block Party, they do such a good job bringing in that like Gen X money by booking like pavement and like these kind of iconic like 90s and aughts bands. And. Guy Benson Boone and Somber, those are two people that my friends in their 40s are not traveling to see them. I don't, yeah, I didn't know who they were. And we're only in our 30s. Which I think shows my age. We're still broke. Millennial. Yeah. Well, and like, but you can't, you know.

cancel your festival without telling the artist because you're not selling enough tickets. Like that's that's a skeevy move in my mind. You know, if you want to cancel your show, cancel your show, right? Like do the announcement and people are going to be hurt and, you know, people who, especially those who traveled to the festival are going to be really kind of upset with you. But you need to be, you know, if you're in the music business, you need to have the guts to do that rather than just pulling out and not telling one and deleting all evidence from from the internet. Like that's sure. Yeah. It's really sketch. was really was really weird. I do feel like, you know, if they if they weren't going to deliver a festival that they promised, I kind of feel like it's okay to cancel, you know, as somebody who didn't pay for accommodation or flights, you know, in anticipation for this festival. Because, you know, we don't want like. a local fire festival happening here, you know? We don't want a disaster of a music festival. And then people would be even more pissed. So yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think the communication thing is fair. I also think this is an industry with razor thin margins. this is not a good time to be asking people for a large sum of money. It's a time of economic difficulty. And I think that there is sort of, it is the legendary thing to do in the music industry. If, if, I mean, again, this is speculation, but if your tickets aren't selling, for example, to find another reason to cancel your tour. Like, and to be sure, I don't know that, like, this has anything to do with the artist. I think Guy Benson Bood could still sell. the Delta Center probably tomorrow. He sold it out three times last year. Right. Now, again, things move fast in this day and age. Could he sell it out three times this year? I don't know. I do not have my finger on the pulse of like this music genre. I really, really don't. But I remember when Jennifer Lopez, one of the most famous people on earth. had to cancel her tour because tickets were not selling. And she said she wanted to spend time with her family. Now, at least she gave us a reason. But it is sort of like, it's what you do in the music industry is you point to a different thing. What's so weird here is they pointed at nothing. I know, because like, yeah, what's the strategy there? Because like, why wouldn't you just be transparent and be like, we didn't sell enough tickets, guys, so we have to cancel. Like, that's just how it works. Or we. are going to be running, in theory, if it is the Red West people, two music festivals in one month, and that's an enormous, like, burden. Yeah, we can't do it. We got a little too excited. Two festivals is too much. Hard to say. Hard to say. Well, I want to ask you both before we move on, who's in your dream festival lineup? Oh, that is such a great question. I essentially want, like, Lilith Fair. but in Salt Lake, which we kind of already have that with Mind the Gap Festival, which is kind of like the same premise. It's like female artists, female led bands, but I want like huge power ballad headliners. I want like Celine Dion and like Beyonce. Beyonce hasn't been here since 2001, okay? That would rule. Yeah, that's good. Well, and we are getting Lilith Fair-esque.

Festival in California, right? That's the Olivia Rodrigo Daisy Chain. Yeah, that's true. So not too far. What about you, Andy? Who's in your dream lineup? Yeah, I mean, I'm like a mid-2010s like EDM slash indie pop. person. So, I don't know. I'm, I'm doing MGM. Yes, I'm doing MGMT. Exactly. MGMT is exactly. I want fun. I want passion pit. I want like, I want, actually, and frankly, like, Ogden Twilight does a good job of getting a lot of these people, right? Like I went to the of Monsters of Men concert last week, and it was awesome. And it's exactly this demo. So, uh, mid 30s millennial man music is, is my jam. That's, go to Redview. Hercules and love affair. Yeah, I'm getting it. I'm getting it. I'm with it. What about you, Allie? What is your dream music festival? It kind of is Red West, honestly. And like I didn't go. I haven't been because I actually don't really like music festivals. I have a, I just think music kind of sounds best in my AirPods, like dancing in my living room by myself at this age. Surrounded by thousands of people. There was a time when you could find me at like ultra music festival in Miami, trust. But I. It's like Cheryl Crow. You know what I mean? Like I'm sort of with you on the Lilith Fair vibe. Like I want, I like country. I think country is like some of the most fun music to see live. But I also want there to be some, like I don't, you know, not just the Morgan Wall in vain. I want like Cheryl Crow like some of that more. Brandy Carlisle. Yeah, a little like. That'd be great. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well. You know, good luck to Guy Benson Boone and Somber in their careers. I'm sure this is a huge hit for them. Yeah.

Newsletter editor Thedina Ria, CityCast Salt Lake contributor, Andy Larson. One of our most iconic little pockets in this city, Gilgal Gardens. If you're unfamiliar, this is on the east side of Salt Lake City. It is kind of hard to find, which is half the fun. It's home of the Joseph Smith Spinks. If you still don't know what we're talking about, boy, have you got some Googling to do. But we got news this week that the city wants to take steps to protect it from development that doesn't exist yet. But like just in case, what is the plan here, Therina? Well, so I know they want this like official landmark designation just as this added. legal layer of protection because right now it's owned by the city. It was acquired in 2000 as a public park. And so this will just kind of protect it for the future. So like as mayors change, as the city council changes, it's going to be protected. So we need that for sure. And that my sense is because that neighborhood is undergoing quite a bit of development. Right. And it's already been kind of saved once. So like back in the 90s is when they really wanted to develop it. And this coalition was made of like residents and donors and the city and the county. And they formed what's called Friends of Gilgall Gardens in 1997. And they saved Gilgall. So they purchased it. They came together. And so they protected it this time. But they just need this like further protection. in order to, like, not have development try to sneak in. And it probably would be fine for a long time, you know, like, but I think this does two things. One, you know, so if you get approved by the Historic Landmark Commission, if there's demolition of the landmark site, can only be approved if needed for, quote, unquote, public health or safety or after an economic hardship finding. So like it needs to be like it kind of raises the bar and what's required for demolition should that, you know, should future city leaders need to consider it or want to consider it. And then. The second thing is like any exterior work or new construction or demolition or reconstruction, all of that has to be approved by the city. So like if they want to make any changes to it, it all has to be kind of be approved, which again kind of makes it harder for any of that to happen. Now, again, the city runs it. So like the city owns it. The city. would still be in charge, but it has to go through kind of a separate permitting process. There's a certificate of appropriateness that you have to get in order to make this happen. You know what? I'm going to start handing those out. I feel like there are some people.

I would like to threaten with a certificate of appropriateness. You need the opposite, the certificate of inappropriateness. It's a yellow card in soccer. It's like, oh, no, you got a certificate of inappropriateness. Calm down. Yeah. Catch me in the Trader Joe's parking lot. Handing those out. For sure. It is interesting because... Gilgal Gardens, yes, the city does manage it, I guess. But they also are always looking for volunteer gardeners. So I would say if you're looking for a fun volunteer opportunity, they need you. Friends of Gilgall Garden is always looking for gardeners. So you don't have to like prune trees or cut grass. But other other things you can do to keep it in tip top shape. You probably could scrub down the spinks, the Joseph Spinks. Right. And that's, I remember, so it used to be that the lore was that you wanted to go and rub the Joseph Smith Sphinx head for good luck, right? And then people kept doing it and it did start to the road. We balled it, basically. And then now it has like a little bit of a, you know, protection around it. So that people don't do that. But the urge is absolutely there. We got to get people from the museum who know how to clean these ancient artifacts. Yeah. It's not really Egyptian. We know this, right? No, we know. Ancient from the 60s. The 60s? Yeah. Yeah. For anyone who doesn't know, too, I think the story of this is really fun because what is now this little park was the backyard of Thomas Battersby Child Jr. And he made this, like he was a stonemason and he was a religious zealot. And he made this garden out of love, basically. Like love for his wife. It features one of her busts, love for God, love for art. And so. When you're in the park, you are in their former backyard of their home, which is pretty cool. And part of the reason that finding it is half the fun because it's kind of tucked away. And something funny is like we have these Citigast Salt Lake stickers that are the Joseph Smith Sphinx. And at Ada, one day we were handing them out. And there were a fair amount of people who didn't recognize it or even know what Gilgal Garden is. They're like, what is this? And I think they thought that we were either. Big fans of Joseph Smith. Big fans of Joseph Smith or being mocking of religion or that we had like asked an AI to create the most bizarre sticker of all time. I thought like, Illuminati. It's a real place people. Yeah, we had to tell so many people that. And then also there was like conversation started of like people who have been here for like, they're like, I've been here for 10 years and I know about Gilgall, but I haven't been there yet. And so, you know, people, it's so like hidden. I always tell people to go to the chukorama on For South and it's in the parking lot. And that's how you get there.

Those are Utah directions. Right after your buffet. Those are Utah directions, my girl. Yeah. Are there places that you think, I mean, the thing about this story that I think a lot of people will love. is that this is the city taking protective measures before we have to chain ourselves to the Joseph Smith Sphinx and be chanting save Gilgall Gardens and like enemy making an enemy of a developer who may not need to be enemy of the people. And you know what I mean? Like it just feels like. often when we end up in battles around development, it feels like it's all happening too late. And I think the thing about this story that's sexy to me is that the city is sort of getting ahead of it. Are there other places that you think they should get ahead of it? It's got to be the whale. The ninth whale. I know that, you know, she's new. She hasn't been around for a long time. She needs probably a few more decades under her belt. But she's so beloved. You know, people were freaking out that they were just changing the mural. So imagine if they were talking about tearing it down. Yeah. Yeah, I, you know, I go the other way sometimes and, like, I think sometimes we historic landmark too many things. Like, with all love to the Harvard Yale. Yeah, exactly. That's true. The Harvard Yale streets, like, y'all are going to be fine, you know, calm down. But I. You know, that being said, do I want Millie's burgers protected for forever? Yes, I do. So, like, now is that a requirement? Exactly the same. You have to keep the original recipes. Yeah, exactly. You can't change anything about it. Yeah, get like price control, rent control on the Millie's burgers menu. Yeah, I don't know. But, yeah, I mean, in general, I'm a little bit skeptical of Landmark. naming and I think this is one that makes sense to me but yeah you know just it needs to be used cautiously Yeah. I think that's fair. I think that's fair. And I think that often what happens to when it comes to historic preservation is that the communities that are able to implement these requests, or some might use the word weaponize the status to avoid any development in their community, are the ones that tend to have people with the most free time, which means the most money, right? And so it's like,

You know, you tend to see more of these landmarks on the east side of Salt Lake City. Not because the east side has more landmarks. You know what I mean? One that comes to mind for me is the hooda. You know the hootah in the Granary District? On the train track. Because it is like. Its placement is sort of feels unofficial, right? Like the Hootah is this super, super cool, giant, giant, I think it's wood, it's wood sculpture. It's this man sort of sitting on the train track, long beard, got one arm resting on his knee. And because the placement of it feels kind of unofficial, because it's like on the track, I just, the development. is absolutely explosive in the granary. And I do think people will rally to save Huda no matter what. Right. But it's possible there will come a day when it will have to, you know, be moved again for whatever reason.

Newsletter editor Thedina Ria, CityCast Salt Lake contributor, Andy Larson. Andy, while we've got you here, I want to talk to you a little bit about women's sports in Salt Lake City because holy shit, we are winning. The women are winning. They're winning their games in Salt Lake City. But first I have to shout out our sponsor for this segment, which is Rocky Mountain Power. And they've got a tip of the month for all of us, which is, did you know that heating and cooling account for about half of a typical homes energy use? So they recommend some simple steps like installing a smart thermostat, replacing air filters regularly, sealing air leaks around doors and windows. This can all help improve comfort and lower your energy costs. Not a bad idea, especially as we're in these triple digits. I know. My summer bill came in and I was like, whoo. Really? That's crazy. Yeah, because I'm renting a house now. So it's much different than like an apartment. And I'm like, oh, wow, that's real. Oh, no. And that's when you said, ugh, I won't be able to buy tickets to yours truly festival. I know, sorry, Guy Benson Boone. I have to turn in my ticket. Well, if you want to save money and make some good climate choices in your home, you can learn more at rocky mountainpower.net slash summer. Cooling. Meet us over there. Okay. Andy Larson, I'm going to read just a couple recent headlines from our women athletes in Salt Lake City. Talons, softball, professional softball champions. Again, Royals, professional women's soccer, currently number three in the NWSL, but according to the ESPN power rankings. Currently number one. They just had their biggest win ever this weekend. New general manager of the Salt Lake B's men's baseball team is a woman. Yeah. And then the Salt Lake City Stars general manager, Katie Guy Benson, who just got that job, I think last year or two years ago, was just promoted into the Jazzist Front Office. And now is one of like the highest ranking members of the Jazzist Front Office. So like we are seeing a rise in women's sports here in Salt Lake City. Yeah, we have a professional women's volleyball team too. Oh, yeah. Love. Women. We're doing it. Well, okay. So the thing that I think about often when it comes to women's sports in Salt Lake City is how deeply I and many people I know want a WNBA team. And part of the reason I think there's so much hype for that is because we used to have one, the Utah stars with two Zs, which if you don't know, are now the aces, one of the winningest teams in the WNBA, legendary coach Becky Hammond. So, like, I don't know, Andy, you used to be on the jazz beat at the Salt Lake Tribune. You've interviewed Ryan Smith many, many times. Do you think that it seems like he would be the guy to do it? But maybe there is other money.

in this state to bring us a WNBA team. Yeah, it wouldn't stun me if like the Miller's chose to do it. I don't know if the WMBA would do that given that they sold the team the last time, right? Like Larry Miller chose to sell the Utah stars to San Antonio before then they moved to Vegas a few years back. So yeah, I don't know if the WMBA will kind of give the Miller family a second chance, but. WMBA franchises are exploding in value and now cost hundreds of millions of dollars to get one. And there is a lot of interest there in terms of expansion, in terms of finding a place to play. Ryan Smith would be like, as you point out, like an obvious candidate given that he. you know, owns a Delta Center and runs Utah Jazz and the Utah mammoths. So it would make a lot of sense. And there are a lot of dual owners of NBA and WMBA teams, right? Well, and his business partner, right, at the Jazz, is it Dwayne Wade? Is the minority owner of the Jazz now? Is one of the minority owners? Yep. Is one of the minority owners of the Jazz? Is he a majority owner of the WNBA team in Chicago, the Sky? I think he's one of the owners. I don't think he's the majority owner. So there are people around Ryan that are also like, you know. hyped on the WNBA right now. Now, you know, Dwayne Wade would probably, I don't think you can own two teams at the same time or be invested in two teams at the same time. Oh, sure. That makes sense. But regardless, Ryan Smith was asked about this a couple years ago and said basically, you know, we're interested in the idea, but we've got a quote unquote pretty full plate right now. But he said, I know Kathy really well. Kathy is the, the, the commissioner of the WMBA, Kathy Engelbert, and we talk a lot and what she's doing with the WMBA, just jumping into, and he talks about Dway, jumping into the Chicago team. But he says, when you think about the WMBA or women's sports, we're in and we're not going to be halfway in. We need to be all in and all the time. The plate's full, but we'll keep rolling. So it's like kind of a denial, but again, this was in 2024. It would not stun me to see them chase this. I just also know that there are a lot of other ownership groups and a lot of other markets interested in growing the WMBA because it is really, really hot right now. Yeah. Well, a few years ago, I think it was 2024, somebody asked Holly Rowe, who if you're like, if this is too much sports talk, if you're like, who are these people? Holly Rowe is like the only name you need to know, other than Andy Larson, of course. In sports reporting, specifically when it comes to women's sports, like the blonde woman that you see on every screen all the time, who manages to be everywhere at once covering every single game. That's Polly Row. Also as a Utah. And is a Utah. Oh.

And she's absolutely legendary. And she's been like a huge advocate for women's sports for a long, long time. And she was asked, like, you know, do you think that we should be trying to get a WNBA expansion team? And she said, truthfully, I don't think we have the audience right now. But that was two years ago. Do you think we have the audience now? Can we fill an arena for a WNBA team in Salt Lake City now? I think we could for certain games, you know, certainly against the Indiana fever and Caitlin Clark, those games sell out everywhere in the country, right? Like, established WMBA markets, old ones that don't do that well in terms of other attendance. Like, when Caitlin Clark comes to town, they sell out. I think, yeah, there would be some, you know, some lower attendance days. I mean, like. For example, I think the Utah Royals are a good example here where the Utah Royals have pretty good attendance relative to the rest of the league. They have really good announced attendance. They announce a lot of fans who go to those games who are, well, the seats are more empty than that. I believe they average like 9,000 fans announced and it's, they probably doesn't really get that many. But it's, you know, that doesn't compare to like the Portland Thorns, which get, you know, in the 15 to 20,000 range. So this is not. I don't think, like, the biggest women's sports market that maybe the WMBA could consider. And, you know, there's still the fact that there are, you know, Solic City is, is around 30th in the nationwide, you know, media market rankings. So that's something to consider as well, right? Like, they're just our bigger cities without a WMBA team. But if ownership were to get behind it and put the money towards it, like the infrastructure here makes sense for them to do that. If, if. you know, they would want to choose Salt Lake. Okay. And, like, I mean, you can email me, Alley.com, when this makes you mad. But basketball is more fun to watch than soccer. Wow. It moves faster. I'm sorry. I think it's easier to, like, become a basketball fan than to become a soccer fan. Really? I disagree. I live with a, I'm not a sports person, as you know, but I live with a soccer girl who she played soccer in high school. And so she educated me about the game. And she showed me women's soccer versus men's soccer. And women's soccer is so much better. Like the women are killing it on the field. Yeah, that's a good point. Like the women's soccer is, at least in the U.S. You know, nearly as popular as men's soccer and certainly more successful than men's soccer on the world stage. Whereas, you know, basketball, the NBA is clearly kind of an order of magnitude larger than the WMBA. But you can't make me choose between the sport I covered and the sport, you know, I'm currently wearing an RASL jersey, right? This is the thing about you, Andy, is that I love them all. You love them all, but, I mean, you covered the jazz for so long and you know basketball. I do think soccer is maybe your true love. Is that a fair? No, I don't think that's like I, I grew up too tied to the jazz, right? Like I, this is this is, it was, it is maybe my first love and I do still love basketball. It is, it is awesome. Well, let me just say the WNBA All-Star game, which just sort of fairly recently happened, drew a bigger crowd than the NBA All-Star game this year.

Is because who they had? Well, actually, what's interesting about that is that it was in Chicago and there weren't even any, like, as I understand it, I'm trying to think, Chicago players in the game. Right? Oh, really? It was like there wasn't even a hometown sort of element. But I think you point to something interesting, which is just that there are markets that are even more poised that don't have the team and would probably get in line ahead of us. So we should probably anticipate that we're going to get major league baseball before we get a WNBA team in Salt Lake City. That would be my bet because, you know, the, you know. All of the machinations are in order. There have been reports and rumors about us getting the MLB team. Multiple MLB reporters are calling even Salt Lake City a lock to get an MLB team. We just haven't had that kind of smoke at all with the WMBA. So, you know, I do kind of believe in the weather, smoke, there's fire. And maybe they just pull a surprise on us and, you know, open a WMBA team in the next couple of years. But it just, again, baseball seems far more likely. In the meantime, humbly, I would like a women's sports bar. If someone could start getting pieces together. What happened to the whale tail? I feel like I haven't heard from them. They had a survey going out. There was going to be a sports bar called the whale tail in Salt Lake City, but I don't know. I haven't been keeping up. Maybe they updated it. I remember when they were stapling those QR codes to posts around the city. I took that survey. Yeah. I don't know what happened. It's a great question. It's also interesting because so the most famous, I think, women's sports bar in the country is the sports bra in Portland. And they are trying to raise $1.2 million right now in a crowdfunding effort. To expand? To expand. And let's see, I do not remember what this was. They did an expansion effort. I remember because I've been to the sports bra and they have a map kind of near the bathrooms with like all the places that they are expanding to. And actually something fun about the sports bra in Portland, if you go in the bathroom, the one to the right, inside that bathroom, what is donning the walls is Salt Lake City Stars professional women's basketball team photos, photo lineup. That's fun. Yeah, we're in there. Maybe that's what the whale tells waiting for the funds to come in. Their last post was in October 2025, so maybe they're waiting on funds. Oh, it's a tough, it's a tough business bar being in a bar biz in Salt Lake City, that's for sure. All right, you two. We've solved some real problems here today. Newsletter editor Thetina Ria CityCast Salt Lake contributor, Andy Larson. Fun to spend this time with you both. You too. Yeah, it was great. Thanks again for having me. You bet. Don't forget, listener, you can support this show and get great perks like ad-free listening by becoming a Citicast Salt Lake neighbor. And right now, during our closet clean-out membership campaign, you can choose between a mug, an official Oxford pennant, and a gorgeous tote, all designed by us just for you. So join today and get an extra, extra perk. Membership.citycast.fm. It is the number one way to make sure that our show and our newsletter are around.

every single weekday morning. That is all for us today. We'll be back tomorrow morning with more around town. Take care.