Trump now openly embracing Project 2025 despite campaign denials

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Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes. The government is still shut down and the president is MIA. Maybe we'll see him on the golf course this weekend. But wherever Donald Trump is, he has been spending a lot of time on his phone. Posting long monologues on social media that sound like they come from a bond villain. promising the American people lots of pain and privation from his shutdown. He's already slashed the jobs of 300,000 federal workers. He's now threatening he can, quote, do things during the shutdown that are irreversible, that are bad for them, and irreversible by them, like cutting vast numbers of people out of the government workforce and shutting down popular programs. Now, to be really clear, we've had lots of shutdowns before. I've covered a bunch of them myself. There's no precedent for that. This is not what happens in shutdown. As one White House reporter mentioned today, Trump has presided over government shutdowns before and never reacted with such an extreme agenda. You know when the government was shut down for 35 days in Trump's first term, you've never had to lay off thousands of workers to keep essential services up and running. So why are layoffs now necessary in this shutdown? Because we have an administration and we have a president who are wholeheartedly focused on restoring fiscal sanity. That doesn't answer the question. If Donald Trump suddenly got more focus on fiscal sanity, what's different now is that after the considerable failures of the first Trump administration, a group of conservatives got together and wrote up a literal playbook or how to dominate in a second Trump administration. Yesterday, Trump openly admitted he was going by that book. Quote, I have a meeting today with Russ Vought, he of the Project 2025 fame, to determine which of the many Democrat agencies, most of which are political scam, he recommends to be cut. I can't believe the radical left Democrats gave me this unprecedented opportunity. Now, you may remember Project 2025. Remember that? Yeah. The right-wing Heritage Foundation's 920-page blueprint for how a Trump administration could seize control of the apolitical levers of daily government, purge non-Magas from civil service, impose a kind of far-right authoritarian dystopia on Americans from above. Well, Trump is now embracing that plan. Something we all knew would be the case. But he waged a very effective campaign in just lying about it. Number one, I have nothing to do. As you know, and as she knows better than anyone, I have nothing to do with Project 2025. That's out there. I haven't read it. I don't want to read it purposely. I'm not going to read it. This was a group of people that got together. They came up with some ideas. I guess some good, some bad, but it makes no difference. I have nothing to do. Everybody knows. I'm an open book. Everybody knows what I'm going to do. Now, nothing to do. That was a lie. That was a lie.

But for Trump, it was a very necessary one, a crucial one, because thanks to social media and word of mouth and coverage by journalists, Project 2025 was widely known by American voters and widely rejected even among self-identified independence and Republicans. It was completely authoritarian, completely toxic to Trump's election chances. And public sentiment got worse every time architects of Project 2025, like Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts, went on TV to talk about the republic they envisioned. In spite of all this nonsense from the left, we are going to win. We're in the process of taking this country back. We are in the process of the Second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be. Okay, buddy. Now, everybody knew about this plan. Everybody hated it. It even came up at the BET Awards last year. It's not a secret. Look it up. They are attacking our most vulnerable citizens. The Project 2025 plan is not a game. Look it up. That was a key moment. And because it permeated pop culture and regular people were talking about it and it was all over TikTok, Democrats made publicizing Project 2025 a corner piece of last year's DNC. You ever seen a document that could kill a small animal and democracy at the same time? Here it is. You know how when you download an app and there are hundreds of pages there that you don't read, it's just the terms and conditions, and you just click agree, right? Well, these are the terms and conditions of a second Trump presidency. You vote for him. You vote for all of this. Trump was evidently so frustrated that his own disavals of Project 2025 weren't working that his proxies started reaching out to non-Maga audiences to set the record straight. Stephen Miller even went on MSNBC. And I say this with sincerity. It's not intended to be a trollish comment. I suspect that a lot of people who watch your show, who watch other shows in this network, had been bombarded with a lot of propaganda about Project 2025. So it's actually a great opportunity for me to say, Project 2025 has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Trump campaign, a future Trump transition, a future Trump administration. Miller, with sincerity, denied the Trump campaign to any connections to Project 2025. Even though the playbook literally lists the nonprofit Miller leads America First Legal as a member of the Project 2025 Advisory Board. Miller was being just as disingenuous as Trump, who through the campaign kept posting things like, I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who's behind it. I have nothing to do with them. Of course, Trump knew was behind Project 2025. He hired them.

Like, well, Russ Vought, the director of the Office of Management and Budget in Trump's first administration, the office responsible for carrying out presidential policy across the executive branch. Vote, a self-identified Christian nationalist, literally wrote the blueprints chapter on how to wield power in the executive office of the president. And even as a Trump campaign was distancing itself from his work, Vote was telling potential donors that Project 2025 would be the law of the land. If a battle plan is out there that will do what he wants, there are the people like me that have his trust that will be able to get it to him in whatever position we're at. I expect you hear ten more times to me a rally the president, you know, distancing himself from the left's boogeyman of Project 2025. Yeah. And you don't worry about that? No, not worried about it. Okay. Now that man, Russ Vought, is once again Trump's own B director. He's been illegally impounding funds at Congress allocated, posing as Trump's Grim Reaper, and he's not alone. Do you remember Brendan Carr? That's Trump's FCC chairman, who threatened Disney and got Jimmy Kimmel briefly suspended from the airways. Well, Carr literally wrote the chapter in Project 2025 on how to weaponize the FCC on behalf of MAGA. He is now attempting to put that plan into action. They have already used the Project 2025 Playbook to shut down USAID, which might kill like tens or hundreds of thousands of people. They've used it to defund PBS to purge the civil service, especially of non-white, non-man. Now Trump is openly admitting to the playbook. He disavowed throughout his campaign is not only the blueprint for his administration. It's the key to using this shutdown for a MAGA makeover of the American Republic. Donald Trump stood before the entire nation for an entire year and just lied his ass off to them, to us, just to get elected. And now he's admitting what a lot of us already knew who paid attention. But it's not just about the hypocrisy. It's about the brutality of an agenda that has never sat well with the American people and could be about to get much worse. Senator Tim Kaine is Democratic of Virginia, and he joins me now. Senator, you know, the president hasn't done public appearances the last few days, which is sort of rare for him. He really likes to be in front of the cameras. He has been sort of obsessively posting from his phone. There's this like AI-generated thing of Russ Vought as the Grim Reaper. They all seem to be kind of taking like... a lot of joy out of this, like they're psyched that you screwed up so people are going to get hurt. And I wonder just your reaction to that. Well, you know, President Trump and Russ Vought and the others seem to relish at the gratuitous cruelty, but I think they are really misreading the American public. And I think we're going to see in Virginia in about five weeks a massive repudiation of Trumpism in our Virginia elections. We're a battleground state. We've got a Republican governor, lieutenant governor, AG.

We've got both the statewide elections and our House of Delegates up. And so in this very critical battleground state, I think you're going to see a rejection of Grim Reaper as the new role model for who our president should be. There's polling out about this central issue that Democrats have identified as basically the central ask, right, which is to extend federal subsidies for people on the Affordable Care Act exchanges to stop premiums from doubling in some cases, people paying hundreds and hundreds of dollars more a month out of pocket. It's been sort of the clear ask. Like, we want to do this. It's crazy to not do it in this bill. The polling from, I just want to read the polling from Kaiser Family Foundation, which shows majorities across the board, 92% of Democrats, 8 and 10 independents, 6 and 10 Republicans who support extending the subsidies. Are you surprised at all by that poll? Not at all, Chris. I mean, here's the way to describe it. When the Republicans did Trump's bidding and pushed through his reconciliation bill at the end of June, they extended tax cuts for the wealthiest, and they cut off health care support for everyday folks. And there's a five-layer cascade of bad consequences. People lose insurance. Those who don't lose it. and have it, see, their premium spike. Providers are closing. Three have already announced in Virginia that they're closing because of the Trump bill. When providers close, people lose jobs. And when providers close and people lose jobs, communities that are trying to attract economic development, have to look, you know, prospects in the eye and say, sorry, our... Our health clinic is closed. Our hospital is closed. And then they see the light go off in the eyes of their prospect. So it is a cascade of bad consequences just since June. And all Democrats are saying to Republicans is fix this mess you made. We will help you fix this mess you made thus far. They would rather keep government shut and not fix the mess they made. The last time I had you on the program was to react to the indictment of former FBI director, James Comey, in the Eastern District of Virginia, in your state. We've got some news that just, I don't know if you've seen this, I'm going to read you into it. It just crossed about 15 minutes ago. It's an MSNBC report confirming that an FBI agent has been relieved of duty over refusing perpwalking James Comey. Refuge the duty for decline to arrange a perp walk of the Bureau's former director in front of news media cameras after James Comey was federally charged last month, four people briefed on the matter set on Friday. Of course, those perp walks are in contravention, I think, of DOJ policy. What do you think of that? Well, I mean, Donald Trump is spending...

precious time and energy going after political enemies in Virginia, firing U.S. attorneys and firing subordinates and firing people who won't stage the spectacle. Meanwhile, prices are going up, building supplies, clothes, energy, health care costs. His tariff policy is hurting the economy all over the United States. deeply in Virginia, and he seems to be fixated on his political enemies instead of doing what the American public thought he would do, which is bring inflation down. That's why we're going to have votes in the next 10 days to go after Trump's idiotic tariff policy and try to help everyday folks out. Final question for you because you do sit on the Senate for Relations Committee, and we've got some breaking news today out of the Middle East. Thomas has issued a statement saying they agree basically in principle to the basic framework of a peace deal that would mean releasing all hostages, living hostages, as well as the remains of those who have deceased in exchange for a permanent ceasefire. There's other stuff left to negotiate. The president is celebrating saying, hey, let's get it done. The Israeli government looks like maybe they're not quite there yet, but do you think we could finally, as we approach the second anniversary of this horrible, brutal war, be actually near the end? I'm very heartened by this news, you know, trust but verify, but it's a good thing. If I'm going to be tough on Trump for jacking up everyday people's prices, laying off everyone and wrecking the economy, I've got to be praiseworthy too when something is going well. This Hamas acceptance of some of the deal that Donald Trump put on the table. as we near the two-year anniversary of October 7 could be a real positive. So let's release hostages, let's end the war, and let's have the discussion that's 80 years delayed from the 1947 UN resolution that says there should be an Israel and a Palestine, Jews and Arabs living side-by-side peacefully in the Middle East, and let's do what we can and make it happen. All right, Senator Tim Kaine. Thank you so much for coming through tonight. Thank you, Chris. Coming up, no government means no jobs data. So what does that mean for the U.S. economy? That's next. Today is October 3rd, the first Friday of the month, which can only mean one thing. It's jobs day. But the government's monthly report on unemployment and job creation was never published today because the government is shut down. We do have some less reliable jobs data from other entities. Those reports are not very good. Excuse me. Over at Fox News, there's a sort of embarrassing tradition on Jobs Day where they have to try to explain away any new numbers that could make Republicans and Donald Trump look bad. And today again, Fox tried to help a Trump administration official long.

But even Fox felt compelled to fact-check their rosy picture of the economy. We're seeing consumer confidence up. We're seeing businesses want to reinvest in their workforce. And this is only, you know, a real screeching halt for the American people. And it's unfortunate that the Democrats don't see that, that they're fighting for the American people and they're going to pay. Well, I mean, you know the data, though. You know where we are. I mean, we've had three months of slowing jobs. We know we don't have the numbers for September. But is there anything you could tell us about the jobs picture today? Yeah. What we're seeing is the investments. Jared Bernstein was chair of the Council of Economic Advisors in the Biden administration, now a senior policy fellow at Center for American Progress. Jared, great to have you on. We don't have jobs data. We have some private payroll companies release data, and one of them is ADP. But it's, you know, it can be noisy, it could be bounced around, but the latest ADP numbers look pretty bad and seem to be in line with all indicators that. There's a real slowing and hiring that's happening that could be, looks like we're might be headed towards a recession. Well, that's precisely why today's jobs report would have been so important to look at. In fact, as you well know, the monthly jobs number is probably the most important monthly indicator we get. And there have been real cracks in the job market. This is of serious concern to so many Americans who depend on their paycheck to get by. Now, the overall unemployment rate went last seen, which is back in August now, and we would be talking about September, but we don't have that. had crept up to 4.3%. If you look at the black rate, though, 7.5% up from 6 in just May. You mentioned some other indicators. We did get the hiring rate just before the shutdown. That has been on a downward trend. Yes. So we look like we're stuck in the midst of a low hire, low fire. We haven't seen a lot of layoffs. That's another reason I really wanted to see today's report. But the American people know this. And if the labor secretary thinks that consumer confidence is up, she's holding the graph upside down. One of the things that's really just, you know, permeating the economy are the tariffs. And there's a particular pain point of those tariffs that you've seen more and more discussion of, which is farmers. China buys about half, I think, of the soybean crop of the U.S. It's the largest source of purchases for export of soybean. They're buying zero. I have watched video after video.

of farmers being like, look, here are our crops. We have no one to sell it to. We are screwed. You're hearing the alarm bells rung by the, from the U.S. Department of Agriculture. They're now talking about another bailout like they did the last time we did this whole thing. And the entire thing strikes me so crazy you're going to put on tariffs, have people's crops go to seed, and then send them welfare checks rather than just letting them sell their produce. Yeah, and the farmers themselves, by the way, are saying, we don't want to bail out. I mean, not that they wouldn't take it, but they're explicitly saying, no, we want to sell our crops. And you're right. This is just an egregious example of how when you start doing bad policy, you often have to fix it with worse policy. You're really seeing a layering here of just the repercussions of tariff policy. And by the way, what we're seeing here from China is retaliation. for the Trump's tariffs on China. And you're right. Exports from one of the key markets for U.S. soybean producers, which is China, have gone to zero. What's worse for them, though, is that China is going to Argentina now to make up for its lost U.S. exports. And now Trump, because he wants to help Javier Milei, his libertarian friend down there in Argentina, is talking about a... $20 billion bailout for them. So the soybean producers, their hair's on fire for very good reasons. Yes. By the way, that bailout would the way that it's structured as what's called the swap line would like literally finance export sales. It would be like direct intervention to help Argentine soybean growers sell to China instead of American farmers. Here's another one on the like cascading bad policy. Reuters reporting today that Trump is considering significant tariff relief for U.S. auto production that could effectively eliminate much of the costs that major car companies are paying. Apparently, is, of course, Republican Senator Bernie Moreno and auto officials who talked to Reuters. Again, I guess good, but why did we need to get here to begin with? This was bad policy from the jump. Yeah, when you're spending all your time trying to... take the goal, take the ball out of the goal after your own goal. Exactly. You might want to think, you might want to rethink your game strategy. I mean, look, one of the reasons that Trump is so compelled to continue all these negotiations is because that's what he likes to do. That's his happy place. He likes to whack all of our trading partners and anybody else who he can meet power over, have them come to the Oval Office and beg him for help. And, you know, half the time they leave with him having a 10% equity stake in their company. So we're just seeing the unraveling of some just terribly irresponsible policy. But look, at the end of the day, what this means is bigger unaffordability problems for Americans because they're facing sticky prices in the grocery store, in housing, in child care, while they're looking at a job market that, as we've said, as best we can tell, is showing some real cracks. And that, the price pass through that's been starting to creep in also creates less room for the Fed to act, although the way he's solving that is by attempting to fire people who are fed for governor, Jared Bernstein. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Still to come. New frustrations for the White House as the Epstein scandal just will not go away.

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massage table in the middle of your house? How often you have a massage? And he says, every day. And then he like gets like weirdly close to me. And he says, and the right kind of massage. So how come Bill Gates and all these other people could hang around him and not see what you saw? Or did they see it and ignore it? No, they participated. Right. That's what his MO was, you know, get a massage, get a massage. And what happened in that massage room, I assume was on video. This guy was the greatest blackmailer ever. Blackmail. people. That's how we had money. So what happened to those videos? Why is there now such a dearth of information when, you know, Donald Trump's people are running the FBI and the DOJ? I assume way back when they traded those videos in exchange for him getting that 18 months sentence. Okay. Now, for the record, almost all of that, at least the parts you're talking about that he didn't have direct witness of, is speculation. I mean, Bill Greed says he was only met with Epstein for Phyllum. propic reasons. We don't have any confirmation at all or evidence that the videos exist and were traded. But you could understand that the White House is not exactly happy with Howard Lutnick for totally undermining their argument that the Epstein files basically don't exist and are also a big nothing burger. The outlet Zatio spoke to one anonymous staffer who called Howard Lutnick an effing dumbass, heading, quote, I've worked with him and I can tell you he doesn't think he did anything negative. That's not how he thinks. He just talks and talks and doesn't care what unhelpful BS comes out. Now, I got to say, all Howard Lutnick dig was repeat what Dan Bongino and Kash Patel and even JD Vance either said explicitly or implied for years. But now that they are in power under Trump, nothing to see here. In fact, Republicans are so desperate to cover up for Trump and his deceased pedophile friend, they are trying to keep a duly elected representative out of Congress because they're afraid of how she will vote on releasing the Epstein files. And we're going to talk with that congresswoman elect next.

Ten days ago, Arizona Democrat Adelaide Grijalva won a special election to fill her late father's congressional seat by 40 points. But Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, has still not allowed her to be sworn into office. Now, Republicans say that it's because the House has not returned to a normal session. But it just so happens that once sworn in, Grijalva would be the crucial 218th signature on the bipartisan petition to force a House vote on releasing... The Epstein files. Speaking to CBS news yesterday, Speaker Johnson said it was all no big deal and that Grahalva would be sworn in next week. Representative Grahalva who won a special election last week in Arizona. She's yet to be sworn in. I know you're not in session, but you've sworn in Republicans out of session. Why not her? Does it have anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein? Well, the House is not on the floor doing business this week, but we will do it immediately early next week as soon as everyone returns to town. Except not so fast, because this afternoon, Johnson changed his mind and said the House would not reconvene next week after all. Congresswoman-elect Adelita Berhalva of Arizona joins me now. I'm going to call you, Congresswoman. It's very good to have you on. Congratulations on your victory. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I wish I was already sworn in. I was in D.C. We had an opportunity to do it during a pro forma session. It would have really been very helpful to be able to be a voice for the people of this community that elected me to work. Well, so here's, I want to just put this, so people get a sense of this. So special elections actually happen fairly frequently. Members retire, unfortunately, like your father, who my condolences passed away. I knew him pretty well. He's a great guy. These special elections happen fairly often. And you'll see there, like, in the last, in 2025, you know, they were, the two Republicans in Florida were sworn in the next day. The Democrat who replaced Jerry Connolly in Virginia, James Walkenshaw, he was sworn in the next day. Have you received official communication from the Speaker's Office of the House about why you are still not yet sworn in? No, there has been no direct communication with the speaker's office, which has been very frustrating because most of the time I'm hearing it secondhand from reporters who have asked for a statement, just like the CBS one. I mean, really, it's coming up on a Google alert, and that's how I'm finding out. And so when we heard that it was going to be on the seventh, I have three children, you know, my husband. They want to be a part of this very special moment. And so I... made arrangements. I am not a travel agent, so I made arrangements, took me forever. And now I'm like, so what do we do now? And the frustration for me, really, personally, that is an annoyance. But for the people of this community, in the middle of a government shut down, when we have so many people that are here, we have people that work on base, work at the VA, we have, you know, the airport here.

There are going to be people who are going to need services from their federally elected, like their office. And we don't have the doors are locked and closed. I can't onboard staff. Can't hire anybody. So, you know, this is a little like what happened after 2020 election where all these sort of, all the kind of plumbing of how like an election victory becomes a president got exposed because usually just happens in the background. Like, I realizing as I talked to you, I don't actually understand the process here. The House has to formally recognize you. Like, who are we, are we waiting on the speaker and he has to do something affirmatively? Basically, you have the dean of, um, The in this case, the Democrats, which what used to be my dad would now be Greg Stanton is going to introduce me and basically say here she is. Her election results are, you know, very clear. Here she is. And then he says what he did with Walkinshaw is like, you know, we accept the unofficial results without question and then hand the time over to the representative in a special to be able to say a few words. And that's it. You're sworn in. You get the little button. You get to go around everywhere. In this case, when I was in D.C., and basically a tourist. And so I couldn't go anywhere without being escorted by leader Jeffrey staff, who was very accommodating, by the way. Other offices were very helpful in trying to, you know, just help me navigate because I don't have any security clearance. I don't have staff. They're able to get into these. areas in the back that are protected for very good reason. And so when I came out with all of the other members of the Democratic caucus, I had to be escorted in there. So I don't, I mean, my nameplate is where my dad's used to be. And it is in the Longworth Building, but all the doors are locked and I can't go into that office until I was born in. Okay. There is, you saw our introduction. I want to confirm one thing first. When you are swarming in, do you intend to sign the discharge petition that would force a vote on the release of the Epstein files? Yes, I do. Okay. So I would be 218. And that seems to, I mean, at first I was trying not to be a conspiracy theory. Yeah, I also have been the same. Like, maybe there's something I'm missing here. Right. It doesn't have anything to do with these files, but that is literally the only thing I can point to. It's not like me getting sworn in is going to change. You know, now the Democrats will be in the majority. I mean, there are certain things that are not going to change where Democrats will still be in the minority. That is literally the only thing that is different in, you know, me getting sworn in versus Representative Watkinshaw or Petronus or Fine. They were literally sworn in less than 24 hours. after their election. And they can always do just to pro forma session, right? The fact that being out of session doesn't bar it, they can change the rules however they want. And obviously Democrats would accommodate that. So that doesn't make sense either. And there's no reason they can't do it during a shutdown because Congress is still funded because Congress is a separate branch of government, right?

Correct. And I believe it was 219. We were in a shutdown and the entire class was sworn in during a shutdown. So that's not the issue either. They're really, I can't think of anything else. And the timing is certainly suspicious for sure. But your point, too, is like, yes, that's, if that's part of it or that's the reason. But. The people in your district deserve a representative in Congress. You had a special election. It's been 10 days. There are people like you said, like VA employees, all the folks who are going to be affected by the shutdown who should have some member they can go to and say, hey, what do I do? What if I don't know about what's going to happen with our paychecks? And they don't have that right now. And here in this community, we have three ports of entry with Mexico. We have a lot of immigration issues that are coming up. And my dad had a reputation for doing amazing constituent services. We expect to do the same. And I can't offer assistance to anyone. Yeah. Congresswoman. Yeah, I would love to get further explanation, particularly since Mike Johnson said on camera, don't worry, we're coming back next week. And then today decided they'll be off another week. We'd like to get some follow up there. We're going to try to run that down. Congresswoman elect Adelaidehira Halva. Thank you for your time tonight. Thank you for having me. Still ahead. Why is the Trump supporting second richest man of the world buying up major media properties and what could it mean for how Americans get their information? That's next.

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You interviewed this guy named Martin Carpatti when you're in Hungary who talked about, again, this has been, this was both Viktor Orban and Recep Tayyip Erdogan specifically. They didn't, like, they didn't send jackbooted thugs into the buildings to shut them down. They didn't do anything like that. It was, sometimes it would be regulatory harassment or it would be like tax cases against someone. And the next thing you know, it's like they're squeezed to sell. And then the person, you know, the person who buys is a... ally of the regime. And so Martin, I want to play this clip. So he talked about this kind of insidious way this happened in Hungary. Take a lesson. We used to work at Hungary's biggest new site. We were the biggest ones. We were independence. We didn't let anyone to influence our contents or how we operate, who to work with, not to work with. But the people in power always tried to somehow get involved or take over the company or the site. According to Carpathie, that is exactly what happened. Someone in power got involved, a pro-Viktor Orban oligarch who was placed on the board of the publishing company. And we were like, okay, we don't know how to handle this until they, it was very inside, but we were like, okay, if they don't. Cross the red lines, then this should do fine. But they did cross the red line. That red line was Viktor Orban's ally telling Index how to operate as a news organization, what to put and what not to put in the editorial section. That part, the oligarch, it'll be fine as they'll cross the red line. But they did cross a red line. That's what, I mean, and that's how I think everybody thinks, and you know, we're all kind of students of 20th century autocracy where it feels very dramatic and it feels very explicit. And what Hungary showed me is that it's all cloaked in business, right? These are all business decisions and its allies taking over and it's different standards in the newsroom. And it happens in broad daylight in a way that is alarming but not alarming enough. And At the time that I interviewed Martan Kapati, my focus was Jeff Bezos because he seemed so obviously corrupted by Trump and was the owner of the Washington Post. I mean, it was really before the Paramount Sky Dance merger came to the four, before the firing of Stephen Colbert and the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel were even sort of glimmers in Trump's eye. And it felt like, oh, well, we have time. before something like this actually really happens in America. It'll be a little bit longer. And what's been so staggering, even back then in Hungary, they said, wow, you guys are slipping further and faster into authoritarianism than we ever imagined possible. And now, I mean, today, that's clearly what's happened. Alex Wagner has a new podcast, which I'm very excited about. I sure do. launches with Crooked Media on October 23rd. What's the name of it?

Runaway country, Chris. Runaway country. Here we are. All right. I'm going to check that out. Thank you, Alex. Thanks, Chris. That does it for All In. You can catch us every weeknight at 8 o'clock on MSNBC. Don't forget to like us on Facebook. That's facebook.com slash all in with Chris. Real talent is defined by what people can do, not where they learn to do it. So by stopping at the education section of a resume, you might throw away the perfect hire. Skills first hiring helps you see talent others miss, like more than 70 million stars, skilled through alternative routes. Let their story unfold and gain a competitive advantage. Because hiring managers who start with skills are 60% more likely to find a successful hire. Higher skills first. Learn why at tear the paper ceiling.org. Brought to you by Opportunity at Work and the Ad Council.