Trump's threat of Insurrection Act looms over Minnesota

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insurrection from organized agitators against federal forces. I discussed with the president this morning, several things that we are dealing with under the department in different operations. We did discuss the insurrection act. He certainly has the constitutional authority to utilize that. Now, aside from like the obvious bad faith in lying happening here, there's two really important pieces of context. The first is that Donald Trump clearly believes the Insurrection Act is a magic wand he can waive to eliminate opposition. And we know this because he said as much the first time he threatened to invoke it back in 2020. If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them. Do you remember that Republican Senator Tom Cotton even wrote that very controversial op-ed in The York Times calling for Trump to drop the Army airborne divisions on U.S. cities? Trump wanted troops in the street who would shoot protesters in the legs. And the only reason he didn't get that was because his advisors at the time, including crucially the Secretary of Defense, restrained him. And now we know no such restraints exist. This has been very clear from the first mass deployment of masked agents last year in Los Angeles. They have been plainly... obviously, strenuously, trying to engineer a pretext for invoking the Insurrection Act against the very people protesting against their overreach. And I got to say, in some ways, taking a step back, one of the most remarkable stories of the last six months or so has really been the tremendous discipline and restraint of people protesting. And, I mean, to be clear, I don't want to, like, gloss over this, right? There were some cars that got burned in L.A. that first weekend, definitely. After last night shooting by an ICE agent Minneapolis, some protesters spray-tainted anti-ice messages on a car believed to have been used by federal agents. Some broke into other cars. But again, we're talking like... Thousands and thousands of these incidents have been happening all over the country now for months. And those isolated incidents are different than what they are falsely claiming. They say there is just this like widespread wanton violence by organized paid agitators incited by Minnesota officials. It's ludicrous. I mean... Just to point one thing out, Minnesota officials have been doing the complete opposite quite consistently. I don't know if you've been watching this, but for instance, today Governor Tim Walz put this message on social media, quote, I'm making a direct appeal to the president, let's turn the temperature down, stop this campaign of retribution, this is not who we are. And an appeal to Minnesotans, I know this is scary, we can, we must, speak out loudly, urgently, but also peacefully. We cannot fan the flames of chaos.

That's what he wants. Same message Jacob Frey, the mayor of Minneapolis has used. Same message I've heard from every Democratic elected official in Minnesota. Basically, don't take the bait. Don't give them what they want. If you resort to lighting things on fire or property damage or any kind of assaulted violence, that is going to be the pretext, the tripwire, to do the thing they want to do, which is to send the troops in and start shooting. And what's been evident to everyone... Again, look at these images, right? I mean, we're all seeing them every day. There is chaos in Minnesota. It's being almost entirely caused by our own federal government. Donald Trump's government, the government that is supposed to protect and serve us and defend us, the government that we all pay for. It's being caused by that government, by the DHS agents that he has mobilized. They're the ones creating the chaos. They're the ones creating the disorder. They are the ones going door to door. They're the ones randomly ripping people from cars and workplaces and stores and bus stops. They're the ones egregiously systematically violating our most cherished civil rights as Americans. And one thing Stephen Miller said was true, weirdly, when you talk to regular Minnesotans, what they say is that it does feel like an occupation. I'm protesting the invasion that we have in the city. We didn't fight wars so we could have this happen in America. I think he's making war on our state in the same way as Venezuela at greed led. Sounds like you don't fit the definition of the... No, I'm not paid to be here like everybody says. What the fuck is that? I got to work in the goddamn morning, just like everybody else. I'm just here trying to stand up for community, dude. We're all human beings here. I don't give a who you are, where you came from, what color you are. It doesn't matter. This is wrong. Part of this is by design because Donald Trump fundamentally, fundamentally, sees parts of this country, and there are many of them that didn't vote for him in large majorities. He sees those parts of the country, Minneapolis, St. Paul, Twin City, Chicago, L.A., New York, you name it, as enemy territory. and that they need to be subdued by force, if necessary. They're very corrupt people. It's a very corrupt state. I feel that I won Minnesota. I think I won it all three times. Nobody's won it since Richard Nixon won it many, many years ago. I won it all three times, in my opinion. And it's a corrupt state, a corrupt voting state. Viewer, you know already, but I feel duty-bound to point it out. He did not win Minnesota all three times. He lost it all three times. Minneapolis, Los Angeles, D.C., New York. Now maybe Maine. Another state Trump has lost three times. Authorities say they expect the cities of Portland and Lewiston to be next on ICE's occupation list. In fact, we'll be speaking to the Maine governor, Janet Mills, on that later in the show. So that's all vital piece of context, right? Like the desire, the itchiness, the obvious itchiness to be able to unleash the troops against Americans, a thing that they keep talking about, threatening, and want to do. There's another piece of context here, which is that in my lifetime, only one person has ever actually led a violent insurrection against the U.S. government. Donald Trump on January 6, 2021.

inciting the deadly assault on the Capitol and its police in hopes of overturning a free and fair election, of ending American democratic rule. And he was indicted for it. He was set to be tried for it until his handpicked Supreme Court saved him from it by fabricating a new legal theory. And then when he won that election, which was a free and fair election, he won it. And then his first day, he promptly released every single last person that engaged in the insurrection he had led. And that included the ones that had assaulted police officers, thrown things at them, beaten them in the head, tried to crush them indoors. It involved the people that are convicted of seditious conspiracy, far-right violent militias like the proud boys and the oathkeepers. Now that Trump is president again, he doesn't need those groups because, well, he's got federal agents. He's got the Department of Homeland Security. But just as the vast majority of Americans felt, appalled watching what happened on January 6th, they seem to feel the same way watching what is coming out of Minnesota. Trump seems to think that violence is this kind of Trump card, that by unleashing violence on American cities, that he's going to win this battle. And I got to tell you, I don't think they will. In fact, I think they're already losing, and everything they're doing right now is a sign of weakness. Charlene Eiffel is the founding director of the 14th Amendment Center for Law and Democracy at Howard University. Previously president and director counsel for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, and she joins me now. Sherilyn, let's start on the Insurrection Act. It has been invoked and deployed throughout American history. Weirdly, someone told Trump this at one point, and he likes to kind of keep repeating it as if, you know, that matters because it does it. It's been a while since it was invoked. How seriously do you take the threat? Why do you think they keep... waving it around? First of all, I do take the threat seriously. And, you know, I'm so glad you pointed out that Trump has threatened this before and threatened it in 2020. I mean, one thing I would just add to your excellent analysis, Chris, is that Trump, because he has no sense of democracy, of representation, he has no sense of what it means to be a true country, what the job of being the president is. He sees citizens as an annoyance unless they are. you know, telling him how wonderful he is. We saw it in the Ford plant yesterday or day before yesterday when a worker screamed something at him and Trump very just aggressively said, F, you, F you, and then gave him the finger. Like, he's not able to understand that that person is a citizen who is entitled to an opinion. And he's not able to understand that people in these jurisdictions who oppose his policies who didn't vote for him shouldn't in some way be subdued or punished. But I also think, Chris, that these are kind of test runs for what Trump, I think, ultimately wants to do. It's hard to get your hands around some of the big cities. We saw what happened in Chicago, the kind of resistance that happened. We saw it in Los Angeles.

I think they're casting about for a place they can get their hands around and use as an example. That's one of the reasons I think that they like to continue this in Minneapolis. And it doesn't surprise me that they're beginning to talk about some towns in Maine. They want to be able to exercise this power and to subdue an American city as part of kind of a dry run of being able to do this more broadly. But I want to salute the people of Minneapolis. and St. Paul of the Twin Cities and across Minnesota, who have been amazing, who have exercised their First Amendment rights, who have tried to protect their community, who have not taken the bait. And I think you're right that this is Trump's problem. Trump's problem is we're all seeing in real time because of all these citizens putting out these videos, who is the aggressor? And the Insurrection Act is to be invoked because there is an insurrection from the populace. that the local law enforcement and the state law enforcement cannot manage. That's the purpose of the Insurrection Act. But it's so clear that the violence and the chaos is being perpetrated by the ICE agents. And until those images turn, until Trump is able to keep needling and provoke something that looks different, he's going to be in a pickle because he doesn't have the kind of traction now to be able to support. invoking the Insurrection Act. Part of what I think, I think that's such an important point, and I think relatedly, you know, I don't want to be too sanguine about this, because obviously, you know, Trump has a very strong base. There's between 30 and 40% of the people in the country, I think, basically support him. essentially no matter what, somewhere in that range. But it's also the case that, again, in the same way people felt like almost a visceral revulsion at the desecration that was January 6th. I do think these images... inspire something very deep in people about a core part of our civic religion. And that's really like, aside from the kind of violence, it's just the idea that in a free country, you don't have to present your papers to mass authorities, this sort of papers please shorthand that we have for tyranny. I want to play you what Kristi Noem said, which is basically everyone has to be prepared to prove their citizenship to ICE officials. Take a listen to what she said. Are you advising Americans to carry proof of citizenship? In every situation, we're doing targeted enforcement. If we are on a target and doing an operation, there may be individuals surrounding that criminal that we may be asking who they are and why they're there and having them validate their identity. I don't think, I think that's unconstitutional, but more importantly, in some ways for popular opinion, I think it's just... deeply repellent to most Americans that you have to prove your citizenship on command to an officer of the law.

Well, it's grotesque, and it really does harken back to slave patrols, which is increasingly what this activity is beginning to look like, you know, going door to door and demanding that people prove that they have a right to be here. But more importantly, we're seeing, Chris, they don't care. More importantly, we're seeing people showing that, showing their passport, showing their licenses, showing their green cards, and they're being taken in anyway. And we saw a really, really frightening report. out of Minnesota yesterday of one woman, American citizen, who was taken in and held. And she reports that she was questioned by officials of the Department of Homeland Security and told that if she had friends who were undocumented, they might be able to, they might be able to help them out if she would tell who the leaders of the protests and the insurrection are. So like, this is this really bizarre thinking. that they have, that there's some hidden leader. They're trying to really make Antifa work, you know, as part of the trigger for this insurrection act. But that's what's happening. So you take it, they're taking in U.S. citizens, sometimes knowing they're taking in U.S. citizens. So it's not even that you present your papers and then you're fine. It's that you, it's simply a pretext to be able to get those numbers up so that Stephen Miller will be satisfied that a certain number of people are in custody. This is absolutely lawless. It is out of control. It is an affront to the idea of citizenship. It takes us back to the middle of the 19th century. It has no basis in current law. And it's therefore a shame that in an opinion that was completely unnecessary, a concurring opinion in a shadow docket ruling that Brett Kavanaugh issued a ruling that appeared to give cover to this action. And it has only gotten worse. since that opinion in the Kristi Noem case earlier, late last year. And as a result, we're seeing the naked racial profiling, and we're also seeing the agents believe that they have the right to accost, to harm, to take in anyone who doesn't agree with them, who's filming, who's standing too close. who's cursing at them. These are not actually real law enforcement agents. Kristi Noem keeps saying the brave men and women of ICE as though they're members of the military. These are people who took their $50,000 signing bonus and bounty and had their 47 days of training, if that, and loose background checks and not passing psychological exams and barely literate some of them. who were taken in so that they can engage in precisely the kind of action we see them engaging in. And as we look at this, Chris, and we see the videos, it's clear that some instructions are being given. They're behaving too similarly. The breaking of windows, the dragging out of the cars. There's just so much similarity in the way that they're acting that it's clear that they have been authorized to do precisely what they are doing. That's well said. We're actually going to look into that with one of my colleagues, David Noriega, about shooting into cars, which is something that should be just incredibly rare that law enforcement never does that and has been shockingly common, at least in the last several months. Charlene Eiffel, as always, great pleasure. Thank you. Thank you, Chris. Coming up after MS Now reporting on ICE's next target, Maine Governor Janet Mills tells me what her state is doing to get ready. That's next.

Correct. Correct. You know, as a matter of competency, common courtesy, you'd think that their law enforcement would talk to our law enforcement, that the governor of a state would be notified if there's some major operation coming or deny it? Just tell me it isn't going to happen. I'd welcome the news. We'd all welcome that news. But I will tell you what. We stand for good communications. Our state stands for civility. And we stand for civil rights and civil liberties. And what we do, we will do if they come here is do everything we can to protect the safety of the public and the civil rights and civil liberties of all people in Maine. The reporting suggests that the pretext here, and I call it a pretext advisedly, is that there is a significant Somali-American population in Maine. It's been there for a while. I think the latest estimates are... There is. 3,200 people. It had been about 10,000 folks. Probably more. Largely more, largely refugee, original refugee, but now obviously American citizens and the like. Do you have a message for them if they're feeling targeted and freaked out and like they're the ones that these federal agents are coming to seize or mess with? It's a terrible thing to target an entire community based on race, ethnicity, religion. Look, the pretense here, ostensibly from public reports, is some kind of fraud. Look, I welcome any and all evidence of fraud. If somebody has evidence of fraud, let us know and we'll pursue it. We have been pursuing it, actually, in Medicaid fraud. We've been auditing for the last three years, a certain organization. But listen, to target and castigate an entire community because of the alleged misdoings of a couple people is wrong. And it's unconstitutional in my view. It's discriminatory. Listen, I was a district attorney for three counties, the elected district attorney. I was attorney general of this state for eight years. I prosecuted fraud. I prosecuted all kinds of crimes. I know how to investigate fraud. I know how to prosecute fraud. It need not result in a street sweep of innocent people. It need not endanger the civil rights and civil liberties of people because of their ethnicity, their color, the color of their skin, or their religion. It need not entail a sweep or an operation of the sort that has gone on in other states and cities across this country. It's a pretense. I know you've said you haven't heard anything from the Trump administration or DHS. Have you been in contact with other governors, particularly Democratic governors like J.J.B. Pritzker, sure. Tim Walz, Gavin Newsom, and others who have been experiencing this about how to game out and prepare your state for whatever does happen.

Yes, we talk. I mean, we're friends anyway, and we certainly have talked, and they've offered any support they can give, and I've welcomed that. At this time, you know, we stand for due process. This administration in Washington has taken a wrecking ball, not just to the White House, the East Wing and maybe the West Wing, but a wrecking ball to the Constitution of the United States, a wrecking ball to our rights. I happen to believe that the Constitution of the United States is something more than a suggestion box. It does stand for due process. It does stand for equal rights and equal protection under the law. And that's what we in Maine stand for too. And we will resist any attempt to take away the civil rights and liberties of our residents in Maine or to use provocative actions to terrorize people on the streets of our cities. Maine Governor, Janet Mills, whose state is apparently preparing for some kind of targeted ICE enforcement operation, although no one will confirm that in a record. And as you heard here on this program, she has not been contacted by anyone, the federal government. Governor, thank you very much. Thank you, Chris. Still ahead, brand new reporting on the growing number of ice shootings that go unrecognized cross-country. That's next.

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Another person was shot by a federal officer in Minneapolis last night. We don't have any details yet. Beyond the Department of Homeland Security's side of the story. In a lengthy statement posted to social media fairly shortly after the event, they claim that federal officers chased someone during a traffic stop. And when an officer caught up with that person, quote, the subject began to resist and violently assault the officer. According to DHS, two other people then came out of nearby apartments and, quote, attacked one law enforcement officer with a snow shovel and broom handle. DHS also claims the person officers were originally chasing joined the attack, quote, fearing for his life in safety as he was being ambushed by three individuals, the officer fired a defensive shot, hitting the person they had been chasing in the leg. Now, we don't know what happened, and that may actually be an accurate reflection of the events, but we as a news organization have not been able to independently verify their claims, either throughout eyewitness accounts or video evidence and the like. And the reason I say that, and the reason that's really important, is because at this point, the Trump DHS has a long track record of either wildly shading the truth in favor of their agents and against the people they encounter or just plainly outright lying about what happens during incidents like these. What we do know is that immigration agents have shot at civilians in more than a dozen incidents since Donald Trump re-entered the White House, including the two in the week since Renee Good was killed. MS now national reporter David Noriega has been specifically tracking instances of ICE and CBP agents shooting at people in their cars, a project he started working on before Good was shot in her vehicle last week, and he is out with new exclusive reporting on that tonight, and he joins me now. David, it's really great work. Just give us first the sort of top line of what you found about incidents, how many incidents there have been, under what circumstances have we seen DHS agents firing into cars? So, Chris, the top line is that we, I and our colleague Kay Guerrero, examined 14 instances in which either ICE or Border Patrol agents fired their weapons into vehicles, some stationary, some moving since July. There is a very clear pattern here of not only the shootings themselves and what happens in the field, but also of what happens after in terms of the often unfounded or misleading or in some cases verifiably false statements that DHS makes. about what happened. So for the former point, for the field, first of all, just to get out of the way, Chris, the law enforcement experts that I spoke to, including a couple of former police chiefs of major urban police departments, told me that they're pretty shocked by the frequency with which federal agents are doing this, because it's been established best practices in American law enforcement for decades that you simply do not shoot at vehicles, especially moving vehicles, except in the most extreme of circumstances. And they find it remarkable that these agents don't appear to have been successfully trained. to that effect. This is attributable, by the way, Chris, to the change in tactics that we've seen DHSUs in American cities beginning here in LA last June, which are evidently, as we can all see, remarkably aggressive. One person who was shot out in Washington, D.C., a U.S. citizen, described the experience to me as like a carjacking. On the second point, in terms of what happens after, Chris, in every single one of these 14 instances, DHS made the exact same claim, which is the claim that they made in the Renee Good case, and it is the claim that the person who was shot at had, quote, weaponized their vehicle and attempted to either strike or ram or run over federal agents or their vehicles. But in very few of those cases, does that claim actually hold up to scrutiny? So, assaulting a federal officer is an extremely serious offense. And if DHS publicly accuses someone of doing that, then you would think there would be criminal charges.

forthcoming. Now, in only four of those 14 cases, have those criminal charges stuck to the point that they're ongoing. In four other cases, the charges were either... proactively dropped by prosecutors, for lack of evidence, or thrown out by judges in many cases over issues involving the handling of evidence or due process. Now, last thing, real quick, Chris, I did hear from DHS. I asked them from comment on this reporting. They said that the pattern is not the use of deadly force by law enforcement, but that the pattern is people trying to run over federal agents with their cars. Tellingly, though, when I asked them about a number of specific incidents, they just gave me the same statements that they had made back when those incidents first happened, even though the claim that people had weaponized their vehicles was directly contravened. in many cases by video evidence, Chris. Yeah, I mean, there's a few of these. There's the one in Chicago in which an observer, not unlike Renee Good, was driving. She was then boxed in. They fired into the car. They released a statement saying she tried to hit them, that she was armed with a semi-automatic weapon, I think they, I believe they said. Her name was Miramar Martinez, the woman they shot. They fired seven bullets into the car. And then when it came time for them to actually prosecute her, because, I mean, they said, again, that she was deadly assaulting. They intervened to get the judge to drop the case. It seemed because they didn't want any more discovery to happen. Right. They dropped the case proactively, and also it's worth noting in that Marimar Martinez case, Chris, that the federal agent who fired the shots, who claimed that Martinez rammed his government vehicle with her car, subsequently drove that vehicle out of state with agency authorization, had it repaired and cleaned before the defense could inspect the vehicle. And this is far from the only example of DHS, and in some cases, DOJ, who didn't respond to a request for comment from me. very clearly mishandling evidence in due process. There's an important case here in LA that I've been following, the case of Carlitos Ricardo Parias. He's sort of a TikToker, also an observer, ICE observer, who goes by the handle Richard L.A., who was shot in his vehicle. There's body cam video of that footage, which hopefully we can show here. The DHS, by the way, released that body cam video five days after the discovery deadline in the case, which is one among many reasons that the judge eventually threw out those charges. The other main reason being that ICE... prevented this man's public counsel, the federal defenders representing him in court, to access him while he was in iced detention, thereby, according to the judge, violating his right to counsel. There are countless other instances similar to this, Chris, that we've detailed in the reporting. Yeah, I mean, one of the thing that's so striking, even if we're playing that body camp footage, there's another one with Francisco Longoria, who was pulled over a teenager's seat. Again, agent breaks the window. Longoria drives off, fired at truck, right? There's a few things happening here that, again, in my coverage of policing, are really, really, like, frowned upon. Not to say that cops don't do this, but smashing windows is pretty rare. Getting in front of around driving cars, certainly shooting at vehicles that are fleeing is like...

constitutionally prohibited is my understanding of the Supreme Court jurisprudence on this. And I'm just curious, like, what's the actual text? You know, you've got DHS use of force policy. which says that they're prohibited from discharging firearms at the operator of a moving vehicle unless the use of deadly force against the operators justified under standards articulated elsewhere in the policy. Before using deadly force under these circumstances, the law enforcement officer must take into consideration the hazards that may be posed to law enforcement and innocent bystanders by an out-of-control conveyance. I guess my question is... Is this a result of policy or is this in contravention of the actual policy that you've got so much shooting into cars? It's a great question, Chris. I spoke to a couple of former DHS officials, including one who worked specifically in overseeing internal use of force investigations at CBP. And what they told me is that what from what they can tell. That latter official, by the way, Chris, served in both Republican and Democratic administrations, career official, not a political person. What these former officials told me is that it appears to be the case that these incidents are happening not because they've changed policy. The use of force guidelines remain the same as they were under prior administrations, but because they're essentially ignoring policy. And another important aspect of this, Chris, is related to that second part, what happens after the shootings, which is that when you have DHS spokesperson's other officials coming out and making these often unfounded or verifiably false claims about what happened during these incidents, they are fundamentally compromising the integrity of any investigations into the incidents that happen after, including criminal investigations or internal disciplinary investigations by the agencies involved, Chris. All right. David Noriege, this is great reporting. It's available on our website MS Now. Thank you for doing it. Thanks for joining us tonight. All right, still to come. The messages of hate coming from the American government, Congressman Jamie Raskin, what it means to the country and what can be done. Next. For me, being a part of this place has always been about the people, not about the politics. From the field to the studio, Jacob is finding the heart of the story. Connect with Jacob Soberoff. Weekends at 10 a.m. Eastern on MS. Now.

As Department of Homeland Security personnel wreak havoc on American streets, the stuff the department itself is putting out on social media and other places is equally disturbing. This was the ad the U.S. government agency put out for recruitment featuring the caption, We'll Have Our Home Again. Now, that's a song that has become an anthem among white nationalists. And that's really been the theme of their communications. Yesterday, the White House tweeted this meme, which way Greenland man, which is a reference to a white supremacist screed called Which Way Western Man? We also go, which way American man? DHS shared a post that says we can return to 1943 for ICE recruits to protect your homeland, defend your culture, and remember your homeland's heritage. On Saturday, the Labor Department, of all places, called for... One homeland, one people, one heritage. Ein homeland, ein people, ein heritage. Last week, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem held a press event and stood at a podium with a slogan, which I had to like read and try to make sense of one of ours, all of yours, with big blown up mugshots of black and brown people behind her. It's kind of a pretty specific tone, doesn't it? Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland has sent a letter to know him and Attorney General Pambani warning the quote, GHS uses white nationalist dog whistles and his recruitment campaign for ICE agents that appear aimed at stirring members of extremist militias which participated in the January 6th insurrection. And Congressman Jamie Roscoe points me. You know, Congressman, if it were one instance, you know, they would have this sort of plausible deniability, but it's not. It's repeated. Do you think the Department of Homeland Security is explicitly attempting to recruit extremists with far-right ideologies, white supremacists, Nazis and the like into the DHS? Well, we don't know for sure, but it certainly looks like it, Chris. Look, they've added a $50,000 sign-on bonus for people going to work at ICE. They have dramatically cut the training requirements. They have promised ample overtime. payments to people, and they seem to be making this very careful, deliberate, cultural recruitment appeal to people who, you know, share the most extreme ideological views in the country. Meantime, we know there are a lot of former J-6ers working at the Department of Justice. One of them is Ed Martin, who was there on January 6, who tweeted out that this was like Marty Grau in Washington. He's now the U.S. pardon attorney and also head of the appropriately named weaponization task force. He's brought on as a senior advisor, Jared Wise, who's another January 6th, who's a January 6th defendant. And there are others there at the Department of Justice, and they're not trying to hide it. And yet with ICE, what we've got is the only law enforcement or military institution in the country, not the Army, not the Navy.

not the Marines, not the National Guard, not state police, local police, county police, that go around masked. Why are they the only ones masked? What are they trying to hide from us? And, you know, we've had various people contact us to suggest that we check out what kind of hiring is taking place of January 6th, the insurrectionists. So we sent a letter. We've not gotten a direct reply, but the things that they're saying in response certainly don't deny that there are January 6ers who've been hired into ICE. And from the looks of some of the violence that's taking place, it wouldn't surprise me at all. It's very unnerving to see the institutional voice of the country and the federal government in this kind of, you know, sound like a 4chan Nazi, for lack of a better comparison. Another example of that today, this really kind of knocked me over today. This is the... Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy. Pretty important job, actually, someone that speaks for the government, getting into a Twitter fight with National Socialists of TikTok over the question of whether the Jews let the Browns in, as National Socialists of TikTok said. And here's the response from, again, the undersecretary state for public diplomacy, Germany infanously retains very few Jews, yet imported barbarian rapist hordes. As an American, I'm allowed to call them that under Merkel. Even today, Germany suppresses political opposition who point this out. You guys will say this because Jewish NDO tentacles is treated too harshly by history. You will say this because you're dumb trash who prefer to promote conspiracy theories rather than describe Germans agency over the country's future. So I guess trying to knock down the Nazi TikTokers argument that the Jews let the people in, but referring to refugees from Syria as... Barbarian rapist hordes, the public, undersecretary of the public democracy? Well, this is what intramural conflict looks like on the extreme right, Chris. You know, I suppose it's a good thing that you've got the Trump official who's trying to distance the administration at least a little bit from the neo-Nazi position on this. But, you know, you need a magnifying glass and a tweezers to try to disentangle their positions there. There's also today, and since I have you here, I have to ask you about this, the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, Maria Maria Corina Machado, came to the White House today. And there's been all his reporting that Trump was pissed that he didn't get the Nobel Prize, and he's pissed at her that she didn't give it to him. And then Sean Hannity seemed to kind of float a thing where he was trying to kind of get her back in the President's good graces and suggested she give him the prize. Well, lo and behold, she gave him her medal. She presented Trump her Nobel Prize today at their meeting. Trump has tweeted that he has it. I guess he's going to keep it. It's a keepsake. It was my great honor. She presented me with her Nobel Peace Prize for the work I've done.

Such a wonderful gesture of mutual respect. Thank you, Maria. I don't even know what I want you to say about this, but like... What can you say? I mean, if somebody gives him a Super Bowl ring, he'll be convinced he was the greatest football player, whoever played in the NFL, you know. Well, I mean, I think the idea here is that like if she gives him something, maybe she'll make him, she'll make her the president of Venezuela, the regime that he's now controlling. Well, I guess that's right. I mean, everybody, you know, is tiptoeing around the king and nobody wants to say the emperor's got no clothes who's in his immediate vicinity, so they'd rather, you know, turn over their peace prizes and try to lure him into doing the right thing, you know. Unbelievable. Congressman Jamie Raskin, as always, thank you. We'll be right back.

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