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Will you denounce the statements that were made to tarnish the names of Alex Preti and Renee Good? And will you protect their names, like those attorneys back in Florida under your watch, protected my son's name? What I will say is we are looking at everything to shed light on what happened that day, and it is an ongoing and active investigation. Both of those cases, and I assure you they will be investigated. Now, that was probably the most, like, modulated and calm she was in the entire hearing when speaking to a Democratic member, but you'll note it was not an apology. And part of the reason why some career DOJ officials have resigned instead of working under Pam Bondi's leadership. Things have gotten so dire, in fact, that Pam Bondi's last chief of staff was just openly soliciting applications for the DOJ via Twitter DM. Quote, if you're a lawyer are interested in being an AUSA and support President Trump and anti-crime agenda, DM me. And Gene E. Piro, the former Fox host, turned U.S. attorney for D.C., had to return her old stomping grounds to beg for qualified applicants. Judge, I've been hearing from my sources at the DOJ that there is a very, very big problem with staffing. Assistant Attorney Generals, on down, saying we have great plans. We're doing great things. But we're down like two-thirds. Yeah, I'm down 90 prosecutors. Why is that happening? 60 investigators in parallel. Because nobody cared. I'm telling you right now, nobody cared enough to make sure that office was running. I'm going to have that office running. If you want to judge. in the nation's capital, in the premier office, the largest U.S. Attorney's Office, contact me at Janine.piro at U.S.D.OJ. got... Are you talking to the... Be crystal clear about this if you're not a lawyer or not in, you know, a legal milieu. Like, these are the most sought after jobs. Working the Department of Justice in the Civil Service being a line attorney at a USA. People love these jobs. They kill for these jobs. They die for these jobs. And they're walking around with like a sandwich board. Come work for us. We need people. Things are not faring much better in Piro's office, the one that she said is down-sowing prosecutors. Time and time again, she has tried and failed to pursue this president's openly vindictive agenda. Just yesterday, we learned that Piro's office got completely shut down by a federal grand jury which refused to hand down any indictments against six Democratic lawmakers that this administration is targeting for obviously protected free speech. Once more, one of the prosecutors on the case, also an active dance photographer, which is cool, who used to work for Piro's a local prosecutor and has no previous DOJ experience, meaning like no one in the office would take this case. But the fact they sought those indictments in the first place, charges of a vicious conspiracy over a video reminding members of the armed services they can disobey illegal orders, is itself a massive stain on the department.
Arguably, the biggest story of Pam Bondi's tenure as Attorney General so far is, of course, her handling of the Epstein files. Remember, she was key in all this. It was Pam Bondi, who was going around Fox News telling everyone, she had the files on her desk last year. She was looking them over, and all the big names are going to come out. Just you wait. And that it was her DOJ that after she made those big promises did this very sudden about face with a one and a half page memo and said, you know what, we looked it over. There's really nothing to see here. So that's it. Only after flagging Donald Trump that he appeared repeatedly in the files and having FBI agents working around the clock to go through them. So then, even after Congress nearly unanimously passed a discharge petition to force DOJ to release the files, they have flagrantly flattered the law. They've missed their deadlines. And it was those Epstein files in particular that animated much of today's hearing. To the survivors in the room, if you are willing, please stand.
And if you are willing, please raise your hands if you have still not been able to meet with this Department of Justice. Will you turn to them now? and apologize for what your Department of Justice has put them through. This is bigger than Watergate. When I don't answer a question the way you want. This goes over four administrations. You don't have to go back to Biden. Let's go back to Obama. Let's go back to George Bush. This cover-up spans decades, and you are responsible for this portion of it. I completely. Don't get how it is that you're sitting at the top of DOJ because you don't seem to be good at your job. I'm not saying that the president is a pedophile, but there is a lot of evidence in these files that suggests that he's very close friends with a lot of men who are pedophiles. Throughout this whole hearing, Pam Bondi was combated, refusing to answer basic questions that could possibly implicate her or the president. How many of Epstein's co-conspirators have you indicted? How many perpetrators are you even investigating? First, you showed it. I find it. How many have you indicted? Excuse me. I'm going to answer the question. I answer my question. No, I'm going to answer the question the way I want to answer the question. You're going to answer the question the way I asked it. You can let her filibuster all day long, but not on our watch. Not on our time. No way. And I told you about that attorney general before you started. You don't tell me anything. Yeah, I did tell you because we saw what you did in the Senate. You're not even a lawyer. I'm going to teach you the rules again. You're the attorney general of the United States. We have rules here. You're obsessed with him. You're the attorney general of the United States. You're obsessed with Donald Trump. You have Trump derangement syndrome. He didn't even know in your tiny little district who he was. Mr. Chairman, she's embarrassing. He's about to be. This is your committee and she is embarrassing on you. Pam Bondi appeared to have a cheat sheet of opposition research on Democratic committee members. And she was like constantly, almost embarrassingly, just constantly like looking it over and trying to make sure that she got her little zingers out. It was something that Congressman Jared Moskowitz of Florida called her out on. So because I'm curious, and I'd like to see, flip to the Jared Moskowitz section of the binder. I'm interested to see what staff provided on the oppo on me, and because we're in the Olympics, I'm going to give it a grade. I just want to see how good it is. So give me your best one. So first of all, nothing is funny about mocking the Bible and holding up a Trump Bible. That's what you did. You made a joke and I find a fence to that. That's all I have to say. I want it from the Burnbook. Shame. I want it from the Burnberg, which is the best one. What you got? The most humiliating moment was probably when Pam Bondi tried to deflect from a question about Donald Trump's friend, child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, by talking about the stock market.
This administration released over 3 million pages of documents, over 3 million, and Donald Trump signed that law to release all of those documents. He is the most transparent president in the nation's history. And none of them, none of them, ask Merrick Garland over the last four years one word about Jeffrey Epstein. How ironic is that? You know why? Because Donald Trump, the Dow, the Dow right now, is over. The Dow is over $50,000. I don't know why you're laughing. You're a great stock trader, as I hear Jamie Raskin. The Dow is over $50,000 right now. The S&P at almost $7,000 and the NASDAQs smashing records. Americans 401Ks and retirement savings are booming. That's what we should be talking about. Respectfully, I think there's other things we should be talking about. It is astounding that Pambani has this job. The entire spectacle today, you had to keep reminding yourself that this was real. This is actually the Attorney General of the United States. This person, acting this way, acting in a way that would be just completely aberrant in almost any social, institutional or political setting. In any remotely sane political climate, she would be impeached, fired, or just have the good sense to resign and disgrace. Congressman Dan Goldman's a Democrat in New York. He was at that hearing today, and he joins me now. You know, Congressman, you're relatively new to Congress, but you've been around. You were, I believe, have been a staff in congressional hearings before. And I just... The biggest thing I had today watching was, it did not used to be like this. I have covered combative hearings. It's always been the case that the minority, you know, there's a majority of minority and there's like real feisty exchanges, you know, between, say, the member of the administration, the opposition party. But this was a, it just felt completely different to me. But maybe I'm wrong. What did you think? No, it was completely off the reservation and bewildering, in part because usually at least when you have a secretary there, a cabinet secretary, they always try to filibuster, they always try to dodge and weave. But usually it starts by answering the question some way, somehow, or at least tangentially. She literally was on her own island, maybe Epstein's island, but she was off doing her own thing, talking about her own thing, bringing up all sorts of stupid stuff from our districts as if she was going to burn us because there were convicts in our district as if we're somehow the prosecutors and supposed to do anything about it. And it was incredibly disrespectful. And I actually said, I think one
the clips. It was really a shame on Jim Jordan, the chairman of the committee for allowing her to really dishonor the judiciary committee in the way that she did. One of the, you know, there was clearly this kind of burn book. One of the items that people saw in this sort of snapshot, she was holding it in the back when she was, I think, responding to Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal was what appeared to be a heading saying what the search, it's hard because that's on its side. But it appeared to be what her search history was. when she was searching for the Epstein files. Now, we don't have hard confirmation of this, but it appeared like they, DOJ, which controls access to the unredacted version of the Epstein files and knows when members of Congress come to view it, was basically tracking and clocking what members were searching for and then putting it in their APA research for Pambani, Representative Pramila Jayapal saying it was totally inappropriate. Is this whole reason they opened the files up to us two days early so they could essentially surveil members to see what we were going to ask her about? What do you make of that? 100%. I was there yesterday. They had individual logins for each member of Congress. It wasn't just a generic login. And I saw that photo myself in the documents yesterday. That is directly from the Epstein files. So there's no question that they were tracking what we were looking at. I didn't really care because I was happy to bring up the things I saw, which were two very important and in-depth documents that were still... redacted in the members room there when we were supposed to see unredacted stuff. And then there was one document that was publicly redacted, privately unredacted, that related to Donald Trump's statements about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein that was not... was not redacted. Now, she claimed in this hearing that it's an attorney-client privilege. First of all, it was an email from Jeffrey Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell, not his lawyer. Already privilege is gone. But if it's the privileged, then we should not be able to see it either, not just behind closed doors. So it was really kind of scary, the surveillance and the separation of powers breach. But I was... perfectly happy for her to be prepared to address why she is covering up still for Donald Trump.
Yeah, and you posted about that. We have that tweet right there to Todd Blanche. And you can see the redaction. It says, spoke to Alan Garden, Trump's attorney. Garden arranged a 20-minute phone conference with Trump and Brad in lieu of depot. Falling was discussed. And then a whole bunch is blacked out there. When you take a step back just for a second, I mean, you worked in the Justice Department as a prosecutor. And, you know, again. The Department of Justice does a lot of really important things. I mean, you know, they, not just prosecution, they pursue civil litigation. There's a whole bunch of things that fall under their control. And just when you take a look at just what's happened to the Minnesota office, a perfectly functioning, in fact, one could even say high functioning office with civil servants who were diligently pursuing important fraud cases, to name one example. It really feels like they're breaking the whole thing. Honestly, that, I mean, staffing shortages, like, going before grand juries where you get just laughed out of court? I mean, the institution feels like it's in real trouble. What do you think as a graduate of it? I'm horrified. And it's getting worse. I thought we hit bottom a while ago when we started seeing the gutting of the public integrity section, that we started seeing all of this obvious political retribution by Donald Trump. But it keeps getting worse and worse. And if Janine Perra is saying she's down 90 prosecutors, and we know in Minnesota they've lost a ton and they're essentially going on, you know, shopping network asking people if they want a job there, that's really scary. And it's doubly scary when they're trying to indict members of Congress for they're exercising their First Amendment right. I mean, it's crazy. And of course, the hypocrisy of them. bitching and moaning about having their phone records subpoenaed to confirm that they spoke to Rudy Giuliani on January 6th, and they're outraged and demanding $500,000 for that. And we don't hear a peep when they're trying and failing to indict Democrats. That says a lot about this Republican Party. All right. Congressman Dan Goldman, thank you very much. Thank you. Coming up, after Pam Bondi makes it clear she is defending Donald Trump, no matter what Congressman Robert Garcia, on the latest effort to learn more from the Epstein Files. That's next. Imagine relying on a dozen different software programs to run your business. None of which are connected. And each one are more expensive and more complicated than the last. Scaling with you while being magically affordable. And some say Odoo's programs for manufacturing and accounting and more are left building blocks. And they're all connected on one platform. Doesn't Odu sound amazing? Fertilizer magic beams are harmonized your business. For business, a simple, efficient software that can handle everything for every fraction of the price. Sign up at odoo.com. That's Odio.O.
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In the five hours Donald Trump's Attorney General SEP for the House Judiciary Committee today, Pam Bondi faced intense questions about the redactions in the Jeffrey Epstein files. Her responses show the Department of Justice... Doesn't really have any good answers for why it redacted what it did. It doesn't have any good explanations for what has and has not been investigated. Congressman Ted Liu of California played a clip of this video that we've all seen by now of Trump partying with Epstein, a group of what appear to be young women at Mar-Lago in the 1990s. Congressman Liu then pressed Pam Bondi on Trump's relationship with the sex offender. Donald Trump attended various parties with Jeffrey Epstein. I want to know whether any underage girls at that party or at any party that Trump attended with Jeffrey Epstein. This is so ridiculous and that they are trying to deflect. from all the great things Donald Trump has done. There is no evidence that Donald Trump has committed a crime. Everyone knows that. This has been the most transparent presidency. He's the one that asked that those files be released. I got your answer. You said there's no evidence. I believe you just lied under oath. There is ample evidence in the Epstein file. Don't you ever accuse me of a crime? I believe you just lie under oath. And this is all on videotape. You said there's no evidence of crime. I'm showing you. Here is a witness statement who called into the FBI's threat operation center. He met a girl who said she was raped by Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. No one at the Department of Justice interviewed this witness. You need to interview this witness immediately. Epstein should rot in hell, so should the men who patronized his operation. And as we say here today, there are over 1,000 sex trafficking victims, and you have not held a single man accountable. Shame on you. If you had any decency, you would resign right after this hearing concludes. Now, to be really clear here, right? We don't know the extent to which the tip that the congressman described was investigated. And also, crucially, that tip alone does not prove criminal wrongdoing. It came in through a tip line. There's a bunch of documents like that in the files. We don't know if there's any corroboration. It doesn't appear those people were interviewed, but we don't know. It is one of the allegations, though, found in the heavily redacted files that have been released so far. We expect more to come because members of Congress are really trying to hold the Trump administration's feet to the fire on this. They have called on the Justice Department to just hand over all of files without redactions. Ranking member of the Oversight Committee, Congressman Robert Garcia, is leading that charge. Congressman, good to have you. We've even had you on a bunch about this. Where do things stand in terms of the redactions? Because...
As we've gone through these documents, people found more and more examples of redactions that seem facially ridiculous. And then you've had, you know, colleagues who come in and viewed the unredacted files and come back out. They've called out the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice and subsequently, like, gone in and unredacted the files. What is going on? Well, this is what a cover-up and corruption actually looks like, and it's playing out in real time. So I was there earlier today at the Department of Justice. I had a series of documents that I was looking for to aid our investigation. And the first thing that becomes very clear, not just from what I saw, but in the numerous members of our committee that have already been there, that have actually pulled documents for us. What's very clear that the public needs to understand is that... In what's been presented, which is, by the way, a partial release, 50% of the files the DOJ still has and is not released to the public order to Congress. So of the 50% that we have in front of us, much of those documents are still heavily redacted. In fact, the documents oftentimes are exactly the same ones that the public are seeing with redactions that go above and beyond just the names of survivors. We saw names in some of those documents and some of the redactions. There have no business being redacted. And so it's either a complete, on the DOJ's part, it's a complete mess of a process, or they are deliberately trying to cover up, deflect, and lie to the American public. And so it's stunning. The level of corruption that has happening right now being led by Pam Bondi through Casper Tal. and all the way down the organization. It's also now crystal clear, it's something I've been talking to Congressman Ro Khanna about for the last few days, that the FBI essentially redacted millions of documents and then handed them over to the DOJ for the DOJ to then publish to the public and the Congress. And so what's really happened is before the DOJ even gained much of those documents. They were pre-redacted by a team at the FBI. Who was a part of that team? We don't know. Why those documents were redacted in that way, we're not sure. But essentially, the folks of the DOJ, and I heard from one today, said, when we got the documents, they were already redacted. So more, there are more questions. Wait, okay, so I'm tracking this. We know there was this review process, right? This is documented. It's been, right, that there was this, and there was a letter written to Senator Dick Durbin, I believe, in the Senate, saying, you know, basically we've got people working in shifts, 24-hour shifts. FBI, these were FBI people.
agents being pressed into services, all before the legislation passed all of it, reviewing all these documents, clearly to, like, get out ahead and protect the president's reputation. Seems very clear, or other people's reputation. And so what I'm hearing from you is... Your theory, whether established or not, is that during that process, again, before the legislation requiring all this, there were people going through redacting for all those purposes. And then when they gave them the DOJ, now under the sort of direction of this law, they're like, well, this is what we got. They've got redactions in them. You guys figured out. That's exactly what we think is likely to have happened. And another point, which I think actually adds to this is, remember, the Overson committee actually passed. Yes, but there's one more piece of this. The Oversight Committee in the summer actually passed a full subpoena for all of the documents with only redactions for the actual survivors. So that process, and DOJ actually released about 33,000 documents to the committee and then stopped because this review was going on before the law was even passed. And so what... could have happened here. And what I think is likely the active theory is they began the redactions. That's what they gave the DOJ. And so what we're getting is redacted materials directly from the DOJ. What they redacted, who directed them? I think they're clear questions. And if Pam Bondi and Donald Trump think they're going to get away with this, this investigation is just starting. There's a lot of work to do. Let me give you one example. This one has this been flagged a lot on the internet. It's sort of intriguing. I don't know. what the explanation is. So this is a, it's Jeffrey Epstein writing to someone redacted, uh, re-flora visit, good typing, well, looks like it's a long flight anyhow. Eminton is so far away from everything. And then this person says, I was going to take pillow lessons in Calgary, but I redacted think my body can handle it. I pull a muscle every time. Starting to realize my budding polo career might have to take a backseat to my actual job. Now, I think anyone would guess that the word redacted there is don't, D-O-N-T. Which is a weird thing to redact. Why would you redact the letters D-O-N, maybe space T, unless that was a search string that you put it in for some sort of automated redaction? Am I overthinking this here? Has anyone pointed this out? You're not overthinking it because we have found many instances of this type of bizarre redaction. Today, for example, there was a redacted name in the documents that we know what the name is. I looked for this document specifically, the name of a person who has nothing to do with being a survivor or a victim. He is a well-known billionaire of which we are investigating. That name was redacted. And why this name of this person was redacted in the documents, I couldn't tell you. And so why the administration of the DOJ is covering up for rich billionaires that are not survivors, that are not victims, that have nothing to really do with where we've had this conversation on the investigation is stunning. The questions we have is.
Are there folks that are actually working directly with, we're hearing possibly, there are folks that are calling to the DOJ trying to get redactions? And so what, this is completely a corrupt process that is happening. And we're not going to stop until we get all the files without the redactions. Yeah, I mean, imagine there's a whole crazy thing happening with pardons. Can you imagine the conversations happening around redactions, the calls into the president that might be happening? Congressman Robert Garcia, thank you. All right, still to come, the latest from the Guthr research in Arizona and how Donald Trump's FBI director is once again prematurely sharing information. Next. Some say Odu business management software is like fertilizer because of the way it promotes growth. Some say Odu is like a magic beanstalk, scaling with you while being magically affordable. And some say Odu's programs for manufacturing, accounting, and more are like building blocks for creating a custom software suite. But I say Odo is all of it. Fertilizer magic beanstock building blocks for business. Yeah. Odu. exactly what every business needs. Sign up at odu.com. That's odio.com. Yo, it's Jay Uso from WWE. And I'm Jimmy Uso. Chumba Casina and WW are hyped for the biggest event of the summer. Summer swimming. I know I can't wait. There's nothing better to do while we're waiting than playing Chumba Casino. Sign up today, and you could win a VIP experience. With Chumba Casino and with WW4 SummerSlam. So what are you waiting for? Play Chumbo Casino and enter for your chance to win. Let's Chumble. Only available in permitted states, no purchase necessary, see terms and conditions for details. VGW Group, would be prohibited by law, 21 plus, sponsored by Chumpa Casino. A Better Help Add. Have you ever had so many tabs open that your computer starts slowing down? Life can feel like that too. BetterHelp's 26th State of Stigma Report found that 74% of Americans believe society still discourages asking for help. Therapy can help you sort through what's taking up space and quietly affecting you. With BetterHelp, connect with a licensed therapist online and switch any time. Maybe it's time to close a few tabs. Visit betterhelp.com.
Donald Trump's FBI director Kash Patel likes to announce things. Take the Bureau's investigation into the shooting death of Charlie Kirk, for example. Just a few hours after the shooting, Kash Patel announced on social media, quote, the subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody. Less than 90 minutes later, he was back with this update. Quote, the subject in custody has been released after an interrogation by law enforcement. Whoa, what? Now, that was in September. Just a few months later, after that awful mass shooting at Brown University in December, Kash Patel again announced just a day in the investigation authorities had, quote, detained a person of interest. And once again, within hours of that post, the person of interest was released. So last night, as agents continue the search for Nancy Guthrie, and we're covering it live on the air here, the mother of today's show co-anchor Savannah Guthrie, Kash Patel took a slightly different approach. He called into a primetime show on Fox to talk about the case in its developments. I do believe we are looking at people who, as we say, are persons of interest. But as you know, with any investigation, you are a person of interest until you're either eliminated or you're actually found to be the culprit or the culprit's involved. And that's the stage we're at right now. So I'm guessing you can recognize patterns here. And I've already guessed why I'm about to tell you next. The man who is detained last night for questioning was released just a short time after Kash Patel's Fox News interview. MS now National Security Intelligence analyst Christopher O'Leary led counterterrorism investigations and operations to the FBI for more than two decades, and he joins me now. Chris, I will say that whoever's been giving him notes has appeared to tell him, like, ratchet down the certainty, you know, emphasize that things aren't done yet. But it doesn't seem to me that helpful to constantly be jumping at an opportunity to announce these things, which really seems to be the MO of the current FBI director. It certainly does, Chris. And it's also incredibly inappropriate. But he's going back to the one skill that he thinks he has, which is self-promoting, diving into the media, diving the social media, to compensate for his complete ineptitude at being the director of the FBI, which should not surprise anybody. He has no leadership experience, no operational experience, no investigative experience. His judgment is certainly flawed. And his character in integrity and virtue. are absent. So he has no loyalty to the Constitution or to the American public or to the mission of the FBI and its people. And that's really costing victims in this case like Nancy Guthrie and her family, the American people more broadly. And, you know, frankly, he's unfit for the job and it's a disservice to the, this is a disservice to the country and to the people that he's charged with leading. who demonstrated just yesterday their exquisite capabilities with recovering the video. And that is what the FBI is capable of. Top-tier investigations setting the standard for complex investigations around the world for over a century. And he's deliberately tried to attack it along with now former Deputy Director Dan Bongino, who thankfully is departed through conspiracy theories, but also...
since they've been in office attacking career professionals and getting rid of them. I'll point out that the person who would be in charge of this massive response would have been Brian Driscoll, the assistant director of the Critical Incident Response Group until he was fired in August without cause. Prior to that, he was the commander of the elite hostage rescue team. This is one of the final professionals I've ever worked with. And it's these kind of decisions. that Kash Patel makes. He's not making good investigative decisions or good sound judgments. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it just seems like you don't want to get, the last thing you want to do is get people's hopes up and then disappoint them. You want to just wait and hold on and see what happens and let things play out. On that score, you know, there's a lot of activity yesterday because obviously the video was such an enormous break. To be able to get that video, it was very technically difficult to acquire for reasons that remain a little obscure to me, but they were able to recover it. Now you've got someone, you've got someone who's in a jacket that looks to be distinctive and he's got a hat and he's got gloves. And there was a lot of activity yesterday. We're here now 24 hours later. It doesn't seem like that, you know, crack the case. What do you suppose is happening right now 24 hours out from that or more than 24 hours out from that enormous development? But while I have no confidence in the capability in the leadership of Kash Patel, I am. Absolutely confident in the capabilities and the professionalism of FBI agents, the partnerships that they've built over the years, and both with state and local partners and other federal agencies, and the private sector partners, which was demonstrated through the partnership with Google. So the exquisite capabilities of the FBI will find this individual with the public support and really just refine the investigation. I'm confident that... They will find out what happened to Mrs. Guthrie and bring some resolution to the case because the FBI has done that for decades long before it started being attacked by Kash Patel and Dan Bongino. Is there a, you know, sometimes they talk about like the first 72 hours investigation, particularly after homicide, is incredibly important. In this case, you've got, you've got this ongoing situation, which is we don't, I don't believe we have any public proof of life. We don't know if. what her status is, Ms. Guthrie, and presumably she has been held hostage, there's been ransom notes. How much does time matter under these conditions? Well, it depends in each case, and I wouldn't want to, you know. guess on this, but I will give you an example. I actually worked a hostage case of an 84-year-old nun who was taken by Pida in Northwest Africa, Janum. She was held for 90 days. She had similar heart issues, and she was recovered safely in.
healthy. So, you know, there is hope for Mrs. Guthrie. And again, the dedicated professionals and highly capable professionals of the FBI and its partners will find the perpetrator and hopefully recover Mrs. Guthrie. Yeah, that's an incredibly relevant comparison there. Chris O'Leary, thank you very much. Still to come as Trump's DOJ fails to get a single grand jury to support its case against Democratic lawmakers. Senator Cory Booker on what it means for the rule of law next. Yesterday, the Trump DOJ was smacked down by yet another federal grand jury, this one refusing to hand down indictments for any of the six members of Congress, all veterans in the military intelligence services, who made that video in which they urged the men and women of the military to follow their oaths and to refuse illegal orders. It was, among other things, another embarrassing defeat for Trump and the DOJ. The fact they tried it in the first place is just shocking and alarming. Today, New Jersey Senator Cory Booker spoke on the Senate floor to call on his colleagues to stand up to Trump. In this body, I see cowardice now. I see people afraid that the president will retaliate against them if they stand up and say something. While Thomas Jefferson said clearly, when the people are afraid of government, there is tyranny. When the government is afraid of the people, there is liberty. We are in a constitutional crisis. The silence is complicity. The failure to stand up and speak up is an insult to our ancestry. Senator Cory Booker is a Democrat in New Jersey. He's a member of the Judiciary Committee in the Senate, and he joins me now. Senator, you know, at one level you could look at this reporting that they tried for this since Janine Piro called in someone who'd worked for her in some other role, and it wasn't a line attorney, and they tried to bring these facially ridiculous cases, and they couldn't do it as sort of a hopeful story, like the system worked. But also, it's, you seem pretty freaked out by it and upset by it. What's the, what's the takeaway in both directions? Well, I'm seeing an abuse of the rule of law, abuse of the power of the justice system in ways that are stunning. And it didn't start with this incident. Remember, they arrested the mayor of my city. The judge laughed it out of court, but they put him in handcuffs. They detained him for hours. Even in our communities, we have a $75 billion funded secret police.
that are running around and we see it in video after video. They were slamming American citizens to pavement. People who are pulling out cameras are being put into secret databases. where their information is being stored and used in ways that are unjust and unconstitutional. We see them attacking members of the media with the arrest of Don Lemon in a way that we have never seen before. So we are now in this constitutional crisis where we have a Justice Department and Department of Homeland Security that are using their police powers in ways that I think most Americans never would imagine that they would be seeing. Even in the United States Senate where I've seen Alex Padilla thrown to the ground and put in handcuffs, where Adam Schiff has trumped up charges where they're focusing on, even the head of the Fed suddenly found himself under criminal investigation by the FBI. All of us should be alarmed by what is happening to our rights and to the Constitution. They're going after senators. They're going after people in our communities. It is, to me, a constitutional crisis. You just mentioned that the activities of Department of Homeland Security personnel, ICE, CBP, HSI, and others. There is this ongoing question about the path forward in terms of funding the Department of Homeland Security. It was taken out of the most recent funding legislation that was passed. There are negotiations happening. Democrats have given their sort of demands, which to my mind seemed quite reasonable, even quite small bore some people would critique them as. And the Senate Republicans seem to say there's These are non-starters, including they have to take the masks off. How are you thinking about this? And what are your red lines? Well, to me, my red lines have been passed a long time ago. You have a reckless out-of-control agency that is violating the rights of Americans literally shooting and killing Americans unjustly. And my colleagues do not seem to be aggrieved about this. The small government conservatives don't think that this is in any way an overreach of executive power into the lives of community members. And to me, this agency cannot. We cannot. give another dollar to an out-of-control reckless agency. So I have no confidence that this negotiation is going to end well tomorrow. And I think it's going to result. I hope it's going to result in Democrats staying strong and not giving another continuing resolution, not moving forward.
While we have this kind of crisis, this kind of unleashed, unrestrained, unaccountable agency recklessly violating people's rights in neighborhoods from California to New Jersey, from Minnesota all the way down to Texas, we have to stop this. And again, we are seeing daily, unfortunately, people being injured, Americans being injured, being restrained by this agency. I'm worried about what's happening tonight, not to mention if this... If the Senate tries to move forward for another week, let people go on recess while this unrestrained agency is doing such harm to our communities. Obviously, the leadership for all of these agencies emanated from the president. But, you know, there have been people who've called for a Christian Ome to resign or for her to face impeachment, particularly after what she said and what people at DHS put out about the two Americans, Alex Prattie and Renee Good, that were shot and killed by their own government, accused of being domestic terrorist posthumously. People have also called for the same Pam Bondi. You're on the Senate Judiciary Committee, and I know it wasn't your hearing today over in the House. And I don't know how much you watch, but, you know, I said this early in the show. I was just struck by the just the strangeness, the weirdness. I don't have the right words to describe what the performance was like, but what did you think? Well, look, I've told my colleagues today that I feel like we're a frog in boiling water, where we are a nation that are seeing unconscionable things happening, that we in Congress are normalizing. You had, we all saw with our own lies, Alex Prattie, being shot and killed. The video was clear. And yet you see leaders within the Trump administration like Christine Ome running to label them a domestic terrorist. somebody trying to protect another human being, somebody trying to do what is his power to do in the Constitution. Film, hold accountable these agencies. And so I think we are in a constitutional crisis. I think Congress is ruptured. I think the Senate, and we'll see what happens tomorrow, is broken. And I'm hoping more and more people are going to start stepping forward to say, enough is enough. And I hope that the Senate begins to try, Senate Democrats. After this, what I think is going to fail tomorrow, begin to step up with different tactics and strategies to stop this constitutional crisis and try to save citizens from the secret police and from other government officials like Kristi Noem and others that are doing such unconstitutional things that are resulting not just in rights being violated, but literally in people being killed. Senator Cory Booker, thank you for making some time tonight. I appreciate it. Thank you. We'll be right back.
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