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Sacred persons or holy things, insulting, mocking, or slandering the divine. That's what he's done. It's completely inappropriate, and he knows it. I don't know why the president's getting so desperate for attention that he feels the need to mock 1.4 billion Catholics. It's enough, okay? It's enough with this nonsense. Don't do that anymore, Donald Trump. But it's not just MAGA hosts, MS now reporter Alex Tabett, heard something similar from voters in deep red Brandington, Florida. As a Christian, how do you feel when you see this image? Offended? Yeah, I'm ashamed. I'm ashamed that he would actually do that. The man I voted for and trusts. You know what I'm saying? People are going to see this at work. I'm upset about it. So what's next? I find it appalling. It's disgusting. You're mocking. You're mocking my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. He's mocking it. I just, I don't agree with it. I think that, I think he should put his phone down and focus on running the country. Blasphemy. Just straight up blasphemy. And he's going to pay for it. One day like all of us, he's going to have to stand before the father and he's going to answer for all this bull. It's actually a pretty good sentence-long description of a Christian catechism there. Eventually, the outrage reached the level where Trump was actually forced to back down. He yanked the post, and perhaps unsurprisingly, the off-ramp he chose was lying. Mr. President, did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus Christ? Well, it wasn't depicted. It was me. I did post it, and I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross as a Red Cross worker there, which we support. And only the fake news could come up with that one. So I had... I just heard about it. And I said, how do they come up with that? It's supposed to be me as a doctor, making people better. And I do make people better. I make people a lot better. Yeah, I mean, obviously he heals the sick by laying hands on them with a magic beam emanating from his palm. It's a photo again. depicting Trump in a white robe, healing the sick with the glowing touch, you can decide for yourself what it looks like. Is that a Red Cross doctor? But that's how the President of the United States spent the start of his week. Of course, there's a larger context here that's pretty important because Trump's post comes amid a series of bizarre, self-pitying attacks against Pope Leo, the first American pontiff. Over the weekend, Trump won a social media tirade against the Holy Father, writing, quote, Pope Leo is weak on crime and terrible for foreign policy. And I have to say, begrudging credit were due, calling the Pope weak on crime is one of the absolute funniest things he's ever said. I have been chuckling about it to myself for two days, just banging around my head. The Pope is weak on crime. But Trump also took credit for Pope Leo's entire papacy, writing, quote, if I wasn't in the White House, Leo wouldn't be in the Vatican.

This one-sided feud stems from the fact that Pope Leo has been very critical of Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu's war on Iran, a war of choice which has killed thousands, including hundreds of schoolchildren. It's left more than a million displaced throughout the region. And that position, opposition to this war, of course, is entirely consistent with Catholic doctrine, and, I would note, not unique to this particular pope. His predecessor, Pope Francis, was very outspoken in opposition to the war on Gaza. The Pope John Paul II lobbied against the Iraq War back in 2003. Donald Trump has decided that Pope Leo's prayers for peace are a personal attack on him. I don't think he's doing a very good job. He likes crime, I guess. We don't want a Pope that says crime is okay in our cities. I don't like it. I'm not a big fan of Pope Leo. He's a very liberal person, and he's a man that doesn't believe in stopping crime. He's a man that doesn't think that we should be toying with a country that wants a nuclear weapon so they can blow up the world. I'm not a fan of Pope Leo. Trump's social media platforms are even running what it calls a featured ad pushing the question, do you support Trump against Pope? Amid all this, Pope Leo has done his best to stay above the fray. Blessed other peace matters. I do not look at my role as being political politician. I don't want to get into a debate with him. I don't think that the message of the gospel is meant to be abused in the way that some people are doing. And I will continue to speak out loud against war, looking to promote peace. I have no fear neither with the Trump administration nor of speaking out loudly about the message of the gospel. It shouldn't go and say that the criticism of how Trump has handled the war that he launched with Israel against Iran is entirely rational. I mean, he seemingly has little desire to stop the carnage. His most recent plan was to send Vice President JD Vance, himself a Catholic convert, to negotiate a deal with Iran, to reopen the Strait of Homoos to American strips. It failed spectacularly. We're going to have more on how that happened later in the show. Iran... I got to say, somewhat understandably, was unwilling to negotiate with an administration, which just a few days before had explicitly threatened genocide against their entire country. Trump warning of total civilizational destruction on social media, another thing that has made some people wonder whether he's all there. The president decided his new strategy would be, get this, if Iran is going to blockade the Strait of Hormuz, then the U.S. is also going to blockade the Strait of Hormuz. To stop ships from entering and departing Iranian ports doesn't really make a ton of sense. Our foreign allies have come to the same conclusion. European leaders are already working on planning to get the street reopened without the United States. Again, because I don't know, man, the guy that runs the United States is just not there. He's checked out. He can't be trusted to act rationally at this point.

Even some of the president's most ardent supporters like former Republican Congressman Marjorie Taylor Greene or Infowars host Alex Jay Jones have expressed support for removing Trump from office through the 25th Amendment. That's the amendment that allows for the removal of the president who's unable to serve. And today, Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin and Maryland introduced legislation aimed at beginning that process. And while that's just a messaging bill, it doesn't have a great chance of becoming law, though God knows, it does highlight the just genuine palpable, enduring danger of having a wartime president who acts like a madman. Senator Bernie Sanders is independent Vermont. He's forcing a vote tomorrow to block nearly half a billion dollars in arms sales to Israel amid this war, which does, at least in Lebanon, Israel continue, and he joins me now. Senator, let me just start with the context here of the way the president acts, which he acts in an aberrant fashion and has for 10 years. But the way that he's acting now, which seems particularly aberrant in some ways, and particularly dangerous because he started a war that... remains the background context in which real people have died and real people have been injured and hasn't been brought to any discernible resolution as far as I can tell at least. Chris, clearly we have a mentally unstable president of the United States. He lies all the time. The image of himself as a divine being, a Christ-like figure, is insulting to not only Catholics, but the people. all over the world. This is the guy who wants to have half of the buildings in the country named after him, who allowed Benjamin Netanyahu, has been trying for 40 years to get a president to support a war with Iran, with Trump. Benjamin Netanyahu succeeded. What we're going to do tomorrow is bring forth two resolutions, which basically say, I think, what the American people want Congress to do. And that is, we cannot continue to fund. of the extremist government of Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been waging an all-out war, genocidal war in Gaza. who started the war in Iran, who was violating all kinds of international law in the West Bank, killing Palestinians there, knocking down homes, and is now at war in an expansionist war in Lebanon, which, as you mentioned a moment ago, it's not only killed thousands of people, it has displaced over a million people, and Israel now occupies something like 14% of the territory.

of Lebanon. And the American people are saying, is this really what we continue spending billions of dollars on when we have so many problems at home? And I hope that tomorrow we get a good vote on those resolutions. You know, in terms of problems at home, and part of what's, you know, remarkable about this turn of events is that it is exacerbated precisely the things that people are most concerned about, affordability, you know, particularly being able to fill up their cars. I saw this. incredible quote from Kevin Hassett, who's an economics advisor to the president, about the oil prices that I want to play for you and get your response to you. Take a listen. Imagine if oil prices start going back down because the situation resolves itself somehow, then you could be looking at inflation close to zero. So that's something that the Fed needs to pay attention to because remember, energy prices going down would feed through just as, you know, CPI, top-life CPI has said energy prices going up right now. I mean, I guess the idea is that if energy prices go down, it will be better, but energy prices are going up right now, which does... This is his economic advice. Well, God, help us all. Look, the reality is Benjamin Netanyahu's wars in Gaza, West Bank, Iran, Lebanon have not only been grossly immoral and destructive, but they are also impacting billions of people throughout the world. Here in the United States, you know, we're having 60% of our people living paycheck to paycheck. And now what they're having to deal with is gas in Vermont. I think it's over four bucks a gallon. Parts of the country, it's higher than that. And that means less money for food, less money to be able to pay the rent. So what you are saying is all across this country. You know, you've got Republicans who said, gee, this guy promised us. that we would not get involved in never-ending wars. We were not getting involved in the mid-east. This guy who said he was going to bring down prices, controlled inflation. And what have we got now? You got an endless war, which, by the way, may end up costing us $8 trillion. And Trump's thought is that when we spend that money, we can cut back on health care and child care to pay for the war. Pretty crazy stuff. And, you know, now we have an affordability crisis magnified because of the war. So that is why I think you're saying people all over this country are saying, hey, what world is President Trump living in? You know, it's hard sometimes amidst in the Trump era to have sort of policy debates because in some ways he's so dis, he doesn't care about policy and he's so sort of. detach from it, to be honest, that you don't have them a lot. But there was a moment I thought, I wanted to get your response to you. There's a moment where he does a little stunt yesterday with it. He has this woman who works for DoorDash, who comes and delivers McDonald's via DoorDash, and he gives her a tip. And it's meant to highlight this policy from the tax bill, which was an exemption on a certain amount of money in tips, on taxes and tips. And I thought actually, this is actually a kind of crystallizing moment of the Trump Republican approach to policy.

And I want to play it for you and get your response. Because basically the idea is, here's a woman who works delivering food, who can now exempt some of her tips from taxes so that she could pay for her husband's cancer treatment. Take a listen. So the no tax on tips is something special, right? It's very special. And that's one that really pertains to you more than anything else? Yes, sir. Yes. Fantastic. So it's such an honor to meet you. And I think you voted for me, do you think? Maybe. You understand your husband's going through treatment? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. He's going through some very serious cancer treatment. Yes, sir. This goes a long way. So that's it. I mean, but it is, it is kind of crystallizing, right? Like, that is the policy mechanism. We're going to exempt some of your taxes on tips so you can kick in for your husband's cancer treatment. This exemption on tips is going to go, quote, unquote, a long way to pay for cancer treatment. Really? Really. I mean, you know, cancer treatment in this country cost hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. People are going bankrupt. They're depleting their financial savings. And that's his response. And it really once again shows you how far Trump and his oligarchic friends are from the reality-facing working families. Senator Bernie Sanders, who will be introducing those two bills for a vote, I think, tomorrow. I think it's a public resolution, right? So those will, I think, get a vote. We will be looking for that tomorrow. Senator, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Coming up, Donald Trump feeds his latest vice president to the fire. Why JD Vance's foray into foreign fares is looking pretty bad. That's next. Watch Disclosure Day at Home Now with exclusive bonus features. If you found out, we weren't alone. If someone showed you, proved it to you? Would that frighten you? Well, now the truth belongs to 7 billion people in an original event film directed by Steven Spielberg from a screenplay by David Kep starring Emily Blunt, Josh O'Connor, Colin Firth, Eve Hewson, and Coleman Domingo. Find Disclosure Day on major digital platforms now with no subscription required, also in theaters. Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co-founder of Angie. And one thing I've learned is that you buy a house, but you make it a home. Because with every fix, update, and renovation, it becomes a little more your own. So you need all your jobs done well. For nearly 30 years, Angie has helped millions of homeowners hire skilled pros for the projects that matter. From plumbing to electrical, roof repair to deck upgrades. So leave it to the pros who will get your jobs done well. Angie, the one you trust to find the ones you trust. Find a pro for your project at Angie. At DSW, we ask the important questions. Like, what shoes are you going to wear? Whether you're prepping for wedding season, festival season, or just planning the ultimate vacay, the right shoes can make or break an RSVP. So own the moment. You've got big plans and we've got just the shoes at the perfect price, of course. Get ready to get ready with designer shoe warehouse. Head to your DSW store or DSW.com today.

and let us surprise you. It has been a tough seven days for one JD Vance. Last week, he went to Hungary to rally support for the re-election of Prime Minister Victor Urbond, who then lost decisively on Sunday, absolutely crushed, supermajority for the opposition party for the first time in 16 years. Now, JD Vance is saying, well, the administration knew that would happen all along. One of the reasons why we decided to do that, Brett, is not because we can't read polls. We certainly knew there was a very good chance that Victor would lose that election. We didn't go because we expected Victor to cruise to an election victory. We went because it was the right thing to do to stand behind a person who had stood by us. Right, yes, a person who tried to transform his country into essentially a one-party dictatorship and which you want to do too. From Hungary, JD Vance was then dispatched, of course, to Pakistan and negotiate an end to the war with Iran that Donald Trump started. On his way there, he reminded everyone, this guy has no credibility and zero experience in this field. He said, we refuse to give up the right to enrichment. And I thought to myself, you know what, my wife has the right to skydive. But she doesn't jump out of an airplane because she and I have an agreement that she's not going to do that because I don't want my wife jumping out of an airplane. Okay, because preventing your wife from skyvading is the same as preventing around from developing nuclear weapons. Also, is that a source of continued negotiation and tension in your household? Anyway, all he went to negotiate while his boss and the country's top diplomat, the guy that runs the State Department, attended a UFC fight. Once again, JD Vance failed to accomplish his missing. We've been at it now for 21 hours, and we've had a number of substantive discussions with the Iranians. That's the good news. The bad news is that we have not reached the agreement. Oh, wow. Well, who could have predicted? After that, string of failures, his next big move was to pick a fight with the Pope. I certainly think that in some cases, it would be best for the Vatican to stick to matters of morality, to stick to matters of what's going on to the Catholic Church, and let the President of United States stick to dictating American public policy. John Lovett is a host of Crooked Media's Love It or Leave It and co-host of Pod Save America and he joins me now. You know, John, I feel like there is always the threat for a vice president to become a JD Vance-like figure. It could be a very dangerous and precarious political position because you are the number two, because you don't actually get to like control your own destiny in some ways. You know, you can't break with the president. And I feel like he's had a real JD Vance-like week. This last week. You know, he's discovering what others have discovered in the past, which is you get into business with Donald Trump. You think you're in on the scam, but you're actually the mark the whole time. JD Vance said he was so smart. You know, you're right. Other vice presidents have, I think, become Veepe-like figures. But they didn't think that the president was a fraud. I don't know what Dick Cheney really thought of George W. Bush, but he certainly didn't think of him what JD Vance actually thought of Donald Trump. Now, I think JD Vance can convince himself of...

anything, but, you know, he is now owning his choice to associate himself with Donald Trump, a person whose character he knows well. And this is the consequence. I, what did you think, I have to say? I thought I was on vacation, but I, you know, things were penetrating the sort of vacation bubble, selectively letting them through. And I just thought that split screen of... JD Vance is going to go negotiate with the Iranians, which and come out and be like, we don't have a deal, while Donald Trump and Marco Rubio, who's the person that everyone thinks is the sort of nearest competitor, right, for the mantle, are together to the UFC fight. That, I mean, that felt cold to me on the part of Trump. Yeah, look, I just think as a rule, if you're looking for flights between Budapest and Islamabad without stopping at home first, like maybe things have not gone exactly as you would have hoped. He went to Hungary, which was just about the friends he made along the way. Then he goes to Islamabad. By the way, like, I am, you know, I'm happy to have JD Vance tarred with Donald Trump's failure, but it's only in the... adult goldfish brain of Donald Trump that you can reach a stalemate in 15 minutes of negotiation over an incredibly complex situation. Negotiating the Obama deal with Iran took over a year, I believe. Of course, it would. And now you've added in the complication of we declared war on the country over their nuclear program, which we already had claimed was obliterated. So yeah, you didn't get it done in a day. That's stupid. Yes, when he came out and said, we've been at it for 21 hours. Like, again, and this, this was another moment where he has been so effective in his life of essentially cultivating mentors that, that sort of put him in positions of power and prestige and proximity, that you forget that, like, it's a real thin resume this guy has. I mean... That is no small thing to be the lead negotiator in what are the highest stakes international negotiations in, you know, since probably the Iran deal under Barack Obama. He was like a U.S. senator for half a second that he has his job. There's no reason to think he could do it. Well, he's got such a great team around him, too, of course. You have Steve Witkoff there. You have Jared Kushner, who's... The son-in-law from... Not even part of the government. Yeah, just a guy. Just there, I guess, to offer, you know, to spitball, I suppose. Yeah, it's, you know, I remember the Colin Jerome Powell called it the pottery barn rule, which is you broke it, you bought it. Actually, I don't think that is a rule of pottery barn. I think they're more, they have more generous return policy, actually. But this is sort of the Taj Mahal rule, which is Donald Trump broke it. And it is going to be your problem, J.D. Mans, because he broke it, you bought it. And, you know, isn't it quaint to think about his efforts in the early days of this conflict leaking that he wasn't actually for it? As if there was some hope that he wouldn't own it. He got yelled at today from the audience at TPUSA, I believe, because he is going to...

be associated with this and responsible for this, a person who campaigned telling us that Kamala Harris would be the one to take us to war in the Middle East. And Donald Trump is the person who would focus on America first. And now they have to go around trying to defend high gas prices. The best they can do is say briefly during COVID, they were a little bit higher, which I don't think gets them very far. So yeah, he's in a real bind. He thought he was a con man. And you can't con an honest man. Yeah, we just showed the shot. They had a Turning Point USA event in Georgia today, the University of Georgia, and clearly, like, booked an enormous venue, which is overwhelmingly empty. Here's that exchange he had with a heckler when he again was kind of like going right back at the Pope, you know, the Pope's theology on War and Peace is wrong, and then he gets interrupted. Take a listen. Take a listen. Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated Holocaust camps and liberated those innocent people from those who had survived the Holocaust? I certainly think the answer is yes. And I agree. Jesus Christ certainly does not support genocide. Whoever yelled that out from the dark, he certainly does not. I think that's pretty easy. I think that's a pretty easy principle.

Okay, so why he's threatening genocide in Iran. And you're right, whatever he leaked to the press is not, is that the distance on this is that's not going to get the job done. Also, a guy that just went to Hungary to tell them how to run their country, telling an American from Chicago to focus on morality, as opposed to war and peace and immigration. And like, what is, I just, I think he wants the Pope to just be talking about like the rhythm method, like basically just limited to the, to the hits. He wants the Pope on the hits. He's a guy from Chicago. Have you ever tried to get a guy from Chicago to stop talking about something he's interested in? It's not possible. He's a middle-aged Chicago, and he's going to talk to you about Trump. And I gotta say, it is a remarkable moment to have the first American Pope. At this time with Donald. Like, the Pope and Donald Trump is probably the two most of famous Americans in the world. It's, it is, and watching this moment play out is remarkable. John Lovett, always great to have you come by. Good to see you. Still ahead. A reckoning in Congress as some of its most problematic members head for the exit. That's next. Hi, I'm Angie Hicks, co-founder of Angie. When you use Angie for your home projects, you know all your jobs will be done well. roof repair, done well. Kitchen sink install? Done well. Deck upgrades, done well. Electrical upgrade, done well. Angie's been connecting homeowners with skilled pros for nearly 30 years, so we know the difference between done and done well. Angie, the one you trust to find the ones you trust. Find a pro for your project at Angie. You know that thing where you get an amazing pair of shoes at a really great price and want to tell everyone about it? Yeah, so do we. Here at Designer Shoe Warehouse, we'll give you something to brag about. Like the latest styles from brands you love, or the trends everyone's obsessing over. Or shoes that make you feel like, well, you. So go ahead, show off a little. Buying shoes that get you have prices that get your budget. Head to your DSW store or DSW.com today. DSW. Let us surprise you. A beauty rest mattress gives you unparalleled motion separation. Isolating movement with our pocketed coil technology while providing individualized support for every sleeping position. People at their best get their beauty rest for 100 years. Today, another woman came forward to say that she was sexually assaulted by California Democratic Congressman Eric Swalwell. The woman, a model who worked in fashion technology named Lana Drews, held a news conference in Beverly Hills today where she described the assault. We want to warn you it is graphic and very upsetting. He was my friend. On the third occasion, I believe he drugged my drink. I only had one glass of wine when...

I arrived at his hotel room. I was already incapacitated and I couldn't move my arms or my body. He raped me and he choked me. And while he was choking me, I lost consciousness. Drews is the latest in a series of women to come forward about Eric Swalwell since Friday when the San Francisco Chronicle broke the story of a former staffer who accused him of rape. He denies all the allegations but has apologized for what he is calling, quote, mistakes in judgment. And then over the week when Eric Swalwell dropped out of the race for governor of California and less than two hours after the latest accusations from Lana Drews, Eric Swalwell resigned from Congress effective this afternoon. He is now out. Fas Shakir is a senior advisor, Senator Bernie Sanders, executive director of more perfect union. April Ryan is a White House correspondent, the contrarian, where she hosts the tea with April Ryan, and they both join me now. You know, April, I think for years people that have covered Capitol Hill have, there have been certain members of Congress, and sometimes in some sense there are certain staffers that there are rumors about, that there's a whisper network about. And I think there was a false sense that The Me Too movement and moment kind of purged those folks and brought it all light. And I think one of the things you're seeing here is not really. Yeah. Not really is right, Chris. Here's the issue. There's hypocrisy on the Hill, even as we had the Me Too movement a few years ago. Think about years before that during the Clinton era. You had Newt Gingrich who had to step down because he was pointing fingers at Bill Clinton, and then he had to take a look and point fingers at himself. This is not new. Right. And we have those moments of hyper sensitivity over issues. But then there's a reality. Eric Swalwell is not the only person. There are several people who are under investigation on the Hill. There are several people who have these serious allegations against women. And the bottom line is, The hypocrisy of it all, I hear what you're saying about me too, but the hypocrisy of it all is I say I'm standing for women and not objectifying them and pushing for the victims of the Epstein tragedy to be seen. Here we are. How can you say, I'm here to fight for you? And then that happened. And then also, you have Mike Johnson talking about people need to step down. If he's pointing fingers in his own house, he needs to go down the street on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue and take a look at the president of the United States by the name of Donald John Trump.

Yes, I mean, that, that, of course, remains the thing that hangs over all of these stories, right? Which is that this person who, a New York civil jury found liable, you know, for sexual offenses with a woman who says that he raped her, sexually assaulted her, and, you know, had a jury in front of her peers when she said he defamed him by denying that. There is an interesting dynamic that's emerged Fas here over the last few days, which is also that... There was real disgust, I think, in the Democratic Caucus with the Eric Swalwell staff and a move for expulsion. And because Tony Gonzalez had several allegations against him, including an ex-staffer who ended up committing suicide after having, I think, a sexual affair with him and being sort of prodded into sending photos, he has also resigned. Both of them have resigned. I'm curious to someone who spent a lot of time on the Hill, like how you think that dynamic has kind of come about. And whether it stops here or it doesn't. I feel like I saw this in the first Trump administration and now, again, that because of the corruption and the callousness and the hubris and the egotism, with which he operates, you can sense that there's actually a desire for morality, honesty, ethics, integrity among the populace at large in the country. And this desire for just the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, the sense of service within religion. You almost get a sense that within the country, an unmooring from ethics and values and religious underpinnings that people are fighting back for. This is why the attacks on the Pope and the Epstein files. They have a deeper dimension to them. There's a sense of a loss among society that we're losing our moorings of what is basic humanity and decency. And you see it coming out even in the, both in the shame of some of the members, rightly so, that you have to leave because you do this activity. You are no longer allowed here. But it's being driven because of a sense within the prevailing mood of this country. that we want a different kind of politics. I think this is exactly right because I think there was a sense of, you know, in 2017, 2018, this like disgust at, you know, Trump and then, you know, this broad sort of social reckoning. And then there was this sort of moment in 2024 where it's like, you can do anything. You can get away with anyone. Look, we're going to, you know. Pete Hegseth has an allegation of raping a woman, which he denies, but he paid a settlement for. And that's good enough to be the Secretary of Defense. And everything's permitted. You can get away with anything. And then the backlash to that backlash now, April. And the thing that I'm curious to hear you talk about is the psychology of politicians and the idea of running for governor. You have apparently gotten away with this or gotten away with a lot of you know, he denies the sexual assault allegations, but admits to other stuff. To run for governor is, it just seems like a psychotic psychology.

It's ego, Chris, we've seen it. You know, politics is about service, right? Yes, you can serve, but there's also something else ego sometimes for some of these politicians. Oh, they'll never find out. Or I can do this and I can still run. It's about... the victim. It's not about the person. It's about the victim and how they were whatever, how they succumb to the power, to the presence of the power, to the closest of the power. This is, you're right, it's psychotic. And right now, a lot of these are allegations. They need to come out. The investigation has to happen. But again, I'm going to put it back as well, going back down to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. As Mike Johnson is talking about all of this, there needs to be a conversation, testimony, something on the hill with Donald John Trump. to explain the relationship with Jeff Epstein and all of the allegations. All he has to do is talk because this was something that he talked about on the campaign trail. And the fact that he's running away from it, that's the reason why Marjorie Taylor Greene ran away from one of the many reasons and other people, Tucker Carlson and more. This is a serious offense. These are serious offenses against women, objectifying, harming, and violating women. These are serious allegations. And it's ego. And psychosis, if you will, at the same time. Yeah, and I think you're right to identify Fas, that both the sort of hunger for this kind of thing, you know, the bringing back shame, like some behavior is not acceptable, it's not okay to do that. You can't term Congress you do. And I do think also that the Epstein, the bipartisan Epstein stuff, to me, played some sort of important psychological role in like resetting people around this because I think there was this weird kind of obsession with like, Vice is good on the right in the Magamol because of Trump. Do you think that's true? Yeah, absolutely. We saw voices that were, maybe we'd call them unlikely, within Trump's own base, saying that this is a bridge way too far, that it was also violent of their senses of how you treat children in society and how you deal with women in society, that it was just a bridge too far for them. And that was helpful to changing the construct. I would just say two cents for everyone running for office out there is that when you serve in public life, your obligations to serve others beyond yourself. Don't sign up for the task and the responsibility. If you can't hold yourself up to a higher standard, that is what the public demands and expects of you. And you have to own that crown. I mean, if you're going to jump into public life, be someone to emulate and care about with decency and respect upon others. That's true. Able Ryan, thank you both. Appreciate it. Still to come. As Victor Urban's rule in Hungary comes to an end in a remarkable fashion, truly thrilling, what Americans learn from his fall. Next.

so remarkable about what's happened in Hungary, is that this candidate has managed to penetrate that propaganda network and still connect with Hungarians. And I think, you know, Majer in his press conference yesterday spoke about, he had a press conference, first of all, and he took questions from independent media, which is, which is new in Hungary, by the way. And one of the things he said when he turned to the foreign reporters in the room is he said, you know, I don't think you understand that this propaganda network, it was like North Korea style propaganda. And on that, he was right. And it was extraordinarily effective in chilling political activity and dissent. So the next question then becomes, and I've seen, is amazing. You've got to sort of tip your cap to people who were big Viktor Orban stands on the American right who are like, well, if he lost, then it was fine. That it wasn't competitive authoritarianism. And what are liberals complaining about? Right. That just entirely misunderstands Hungary and Viktor Orban's grip on power. There were elections in Hungary. And in fact, when I think about municipal elections, the elections of mayor, your city, your township, you could go to the ballot box. You could cast your ballot. Your ballots would be counted. And in fact, whoever received the most votes would take the office of, for instance, mayor. What would happen next, however, is really remarkable, is that all of your city's national funding resources would be removed. The security services... That sounds familiar, by the way. Well, it might. And indeed, some of the developments we've seen in the United States are... eerily similar to the developments I watched in Viktor Orban's Hungary. But all of your resources would be taken away. The security services would begin investigating you. You would be prosecuted for small tax fraud. So the cost of exercising your democratic vote was extremely high. So is it a democracy if you're able to cast your ballot and the person who receives the most votes becomes the officeholder? And yet the cost of that decision is so extraordinarily high, it's existential. So then how did Meyer, Peter Meyer, who's the opposition leader who won? How did the opposition, having mounted remarkably brave? efforts to beat Viktor Orban and turn back and back and back. How did it work this time? Well, I think a few things. One is he was not having a policy debate. This was not a campaign that he ran based upon, are we pursuing liberal policies or conservative policies? Peter Majard spoke, including as recently as yesterday, about Viktor Orban's government. as an organized criminal entity that he needed to dismantle. So it wasn't about policy, it was about kleptocracy. And I think what Majer was able to do is he also went out into the countryside. When I went to Hungary as ambassador, I was told that the rural countryside is Viktor Orban country, they're unsweable, they're unmoved. Also familiar. But Majr showed up.

And he showed up and he talked to them about the reason why your schools are failing is because these guys are stealing from you. And the reason your hospitals are failing is because these guys are stealing from you. And that mobilized Hungarians because it was true and consistent with their experience. Ambassador David Preston, what a great to have you here. Thank you. Gotta say, it's very nice to be back in the anchor chair after an absolutely incredible trip to Japan with my family. Got to see the cherry blossoms in full bloom. Huge thanks to Amen, Ali, and Antonia for Manning the Fort while I was gone. That does it for All In. You can catch us every weeknight at 8 o'clock on MS now. Don't forget to like us on Facebook. That's facebook.com slash all on with Chris. Real talent is defined by what people can do, not where they learn to do it. So by stopping at the education section of a resume, you might throw away the perfect hire. Skills first hiring helps you see talent others miss, like more than 70 million stars, skilled through alternative routes. Let their story unfold and gain a competitive advantage. Because hiring managers who start with skills are 60% more likely to find a successful hire. Higher skills first. Learn why at tear the paper ceiling.org. Brought to you by Opportunity at Work and the Ad Council.