‘Simply wrong’: GOP lawmakers caught lying about gas prices

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Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes. Donald Trump is in the midst of learning a political lesson that you would think he, above anyone else, would know, right? The lesson is that people really care about gas prices. Have you heard that one? Oil, natural gas, gasoline are the most important commodities in the world. They are what modern civilization runs on. I think that's about to change because of how cheap and incredibly clean energy has gotten. But right now, you quite simply cannot run your society without fossil fuels. There's no other option. When the prices go up, people get pretty upset about it. And right now, prices are, as you may have noticed, way, way up because Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu started a pointless war in Iran. A war that killed 6,000 people, injured countless others, displaced a million more, has caused untold human misery and upended the lives of many, many people. It is also, as you might have heard, happened to disrupt the global supply chain for the world's most important commodity, the thing modern civilization runs on. A disruption that continues. day after day after day to this very day, even with a seemingly indefinite ceasefire. Because as soon as the U.S. started bombing, Iran started to control the Strait of Hormuz, something that was not the case before this war, something that was long warned about as the first thing would happen if you started a war with Iran. Now, everyone looks around in this country, and they're pretty mad at Donald Trump for starting this war. Take a look at this chart. We were sort of marveling over this one today. A lot of charts don't read on TV, but I think this one gives you the point. So that's from Polster G. Eliot Morris, who tracks Trump's approval on a bunch of issues. And you can see there's a bunch of issues. They all go in the same direction. They all go down. But the one that's the lowest, the one all the way at the bottom of your TV screen, the green line, that is Donald Trump's approval on inflation and the cost of living. Of course, that includes gas prices. Because not only is gas a major expenditure for nearly every American, rising diesel costs in particular also make everything else more expensive. That doesn't even include the sort of inputs you get when you start getting to fertilizer and chemical products. And as you can see, Trump is just almost incomprehensibly unpopular when it comes to prices. Literally off the chart. He is so underwater in fact. that he is off the chart. In fact, that chart doesn't go low enough to show his massive minus 40 approval on the issue. According to one analysis, this is an amazing historical tidbit to give you a sort of sense of comparison. Donald Trump is currently less popular on inflation than that man on your screen, Jimmy Carter. Carter. The guy who oversaw stagflation, the guy who was president during the 79 energy crisis, the guy with the sweaters and the malaise speech. I mean, just ask any voter at the gas pump. It's bad, you know, people got to live, people got to eat, you know what I'm saying? And believe it or not.

transportation is very, very important. And, you know, you have to choose whether you drive or eat, you know? So, I mean, gas prices are crazy. I mean, that was the whole thing that Trump promised everyone that people voted for is lower gas prices, and here we are. So, yeah, lower prices on everything is what he said, groceries, gas, everything. I feel like everything is just more expensive. So now Trump is stuck. His shifting posture with Iran, I mean, we can hardly keep track of it. That's our job is to keep track of it, and you almost can't. And that sort of merry-go-round he's been doing negotiations, obliteration, that's any kind of deal to reopen the straight exceedingly difficult. We're not currently negotiating as far as anyone knows. And none of this is winning over the American public, as you saw from the chart. So basically, what they're left with is a strategy to just lie. The fact of the matter is that all of the cylinders are kicking. It is good news. You can even feel in our environment how good things are getting. Gas prices continue to come down, which means that your groceries will come down a little bit as well. Okay, two things. First of all, I love the fact that they're showing the crypto stocks while he's talking like, yes, wow, a crypto rally. Second of all, did you catch what he said? Gas prices continue to come down. Senator Tim Scott, that is simply not true. And you don't need to go do a bunch of research to come to that conclusion. It's plainly a lie in the most obvious sort of inexplicably condescending way. Nationally, the average price of gas, that's something we tabulate closely, is 4.30 a gallon. Honestly, it might be even higher as of tonight, according to the live tracking data, because it's been going up by the hour. Even the conservative number is up 30 cents from a week ago, up by well over a dollar since the war started. Again, that's just the average. Believe me, out west, they would be happy to pay $4.30 instead of over $6 a gallon like now. Even if we just look at Senator Scott's state of South Carolina, the state he proudly represents. The average price of gas there is about $3.90 a gallon. It was $3.65 a month ago. Meanwhile, a year ago, it was $283. More than a dollar cheaper. Now, to bend over backwards, to be fair to the senator, we did find this one little nugget in the data. It does appear that the price of diesel in South Carolina is down slightly from the highest ever recorded average, which it hit three weeks ago thanks to Donald Trump. But come on, son. As Petroleum analyst, Patrick DeHan points out today, the price of gap is up in every single state compared to a week ago. In fact, he says prices are going up so rapidly that the algorithms he uses to track them are having trouble keeping up. In fact, I'm going to talk to him about that in just a moment. So while there might be some small fluctuations day-to-day, it is simply wrong to say that gas prices are down. That's not even spin, right? It's just a lie. Even the very Trump-friendly CNBC host, Joe Kiernan, wouldn't let the Republican Majority Leader get away with lying about gas prices.

People that will remember, you go back two years ago, we were paying almost $6 a gallon for gasoline. Right now it's in the threes. Obviously, we've seen a jump with the Iran conflict. When were we paying six? Well, two and a half years ago. I don't think we're sick at. That wasn't the average price. We're over 30% below where we were just two years ago. Today, we are 30% below where we were two years ago. We must have been on vacation in California. I think two years ago, in April of 2024, we were at about 365. So we're actually above where we were then. Yes. Thank you. Now, there are ways one could spin the Trump economy of positive light. There is a difference about spinning and lying, right? And spinning is part of politics. I mean, you could, there's good faith spinning. You could talk about the stock market, which has been going up. You could talk about massive and spiking business investment, which we saw in some of the numbers that came out today. That's real. That's happening. But if your message going into the midterms is to just plainly lie to people's faces on camera right in front of them about gas prices, the price that they see every day driving around, I think voters are going to laugh you out of office. I mean, even Trump is simply trying to sort of kick the can down the road. The gas will go down. As soon as the war's over, it'll drop like a rock. There's so much up. It's all over the place, sitting all over the oceans of the world. And it'll be, it'll go down. It's also not really true. Gas prices rise quickly, but they often take a long time to go down. Plus, again, as we've covered now for two months, Trump has absolutely no plan to end the war. He can't even articulate what the strategic end he's trying to meet as it changes every day. And just last week, remember, he said he's no Russian all. His new big thing is he's going to blockade the blockade. Then today they're trying to get a coalition willing to unblockade it. If you're a Republican running for offices November, and I suspect a few of you do watch this program, I would just say I would not hope for an assist from Donald Trump, especially because, and I think this is important, I would estimate he spends right now conservatively about... 90% of his waking moments thinking about his ballroom. In light of today's Supreme Court ruling on the Voting Rights Act, do you want Republican states in the South to look at redrawing congressional districts before? I don't know you have to tell me. When did the ruling come out? I've been with the astronauts. I've been with... Contractors because we're trying to get the ballroom built ahead of schedule. It's right on schedule. It's ahead of schedule now. I want to keep it that level. There's been some talks about changes to your security after what took place. Changing much. Changing security after what to play. Well, they did a pretty good job, actually. They stopped at the NFL running back. I mean, he was like a running back. In fact, if you ever got out, they're probably going to sign them. It's a pretty tough.

situation. Now, right outside, we have something that's on time, on budget, actually ahead of time. And head of budget, depending on finishes, you know, finishes is a big difference between marble and onyx in price. But it's right on budget, right on time. Do you see how, like, he goes, and then he comes back to the ballroom? And a question pulls him this way, but he comes back to the ballroom. Oh, there was a huge, there was an attempt on your life, very scary. True, there was. Let's talk about the ballroom finishes. For what it's worth, the ballroom, the thing they're pivoting to, the things he's obsessed with, the thing that every Republican now wants to talk about is the central priority for America and the year of our Lord 2026, that ballroom is also very unpopular. Who to thunk it? Voters are actually against it two to one in the latest polling. Donald Trump doesn't care. He is literally measuring the golden drapes for his ballroom. I'm sure he's actually talked to the contractor about finishes for those. Instead of, for instance, trying to lower gas prices. And I don't think voters were going to let Republicans off the hook for it. It wasn't this high before he became president. Man, gas was three-something. Barely $3. Now it's full. You know, it's, he don't need to be talking about Bartermo's, man. You need to be trying to fix the economy. Better yet, you just need to retire and let JD Vance. Let somebody else run the country. Oh, that's one vote for Davey JD Vance. My next guest has been tracking the shifts in gas prices closer than just about anyone in America. Patrick DeHan is the head of petroleum analysis at Gas Buddy. And Patrick's great to having the program. Thank you. Thanks, Chris. I've been following your posting, and I was like, oh, man, this guy is, he's trained for 20 years for this moment, because we have seen really, over the last few days, particularly some pretty unprecedented volatility, particularly upwards volatility in prices. What's been going on? Yeah, Chris, it's not very often that you see this amount of volatility in the market, but that's exactly what we've been seeing here over the last couple of days. Oil prices surging to $108 a barrel. A lot of this really developments from the Strait of Hormu is the president extending a blockade on the strait, and that is reacting in oil markets. Oil markets obviously don't like that we've been at this for eight weeks. That's why the price of oil is higher. 20 million barrels would normally flow through the Strait of Hormuz on a daily basis. So that we've been at this now some 60 days, we're now at a point where a billion barrels of oil have not flown through the straight. And that's why you and I are paying far more at the pump. And in fact, on top of that, we have the normal seasonal trends that are really causing a lot of pain, especially in areas of the Great Lakes, where gas prices just in the last 24 hours have gone up by over a dollar a gallon. See, okay, I don't actually understand why that... Why have great... Why has the price of gas in the Great Lakes gone up a dollar in the last 24 hours?

Well, a lot of that certainly has to do with, as I mentioned, the price of oil surging this week on the outlook that doesn't look very good anymore. Two weeks ago, it was certainly a little bit more of a happy market. Oil prices had been plummeting because of ceasefire. The U.S. and Iran were saying the same things, but now that party's over. The U.S. and the Iran regime not saying anything really similar, and Trump digging the boots in to keep the strait of Hormuz blocked for longer to choke off Iran's oil to the global market. continuing to put upward pressure on oil prices. That coupled with some of the seasonal theatrics across the country, namely the change over to summer gasoline, refineries that are undergoing maintenance before the summer driving season, and that's where you get your fireworks through the Great Lakes. But everyone, all 50 states, are seeing some measure of pain, but that pain certainly much more acute in five Great Lakes states, at least for now. One of the arguments I've seen, I think the president and some of his allies try to make is, you know, we're now a net exporter over the past week of oil and gas. We've got all these ships that have been coming to the U.S. to load up with our oil because they can get to Asia if they, you know, they take it from us. And I think some of that's true. I think it's going to be hugely beneficial to American oil companies, all American fossil fuel companies. But that doesn't help the pricing, right? Well, it's certainly right. When you start to see 100 million barrels of oil, and by the way, the EIA, to be exact on this, said that U.S. exports in the last seven days amounted to 99.2 million barrels, when you have that amount of oil refined products like gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel flowing out of the United States, it's terrific for refiners and oil companies, and it's not so terrific for consumers watching our supplies sail out of the United States. If the straight stays blocked, let's say it stays block another month, just to throw a number out, does the upward pressure on the prices continue? Oh, without a doubt. I think we could in another month be closer to $5 a gallon. We're already just about halfway there at 4.41 a gallon just moments ago, and that's already up another 12 cents overnight. So we could get very close to that $5 a gallon mark. And it's possible that if we see this drag on more than a month, that by July 4, we could be setting a new all-time record. for gasoline and diesel prices. And keep in mind, much of the increase in diesel has not manifested the way that jet fuel increases have manifested. Airlines already have been passing along increased airfares, bag fees, and what have you. But much of the impact with diesel being so elevated has not really yet manifested in those bigger grocery bills or in some of the inflation data that the government puts out. So just to sort of put a point on this, I mean,

There's at some point at which gas, oil and gas and the Brent crude barrel price gets so high that you start to see what analysts call demand destruction, right? Which is, you know, people just start consuming rapidly less, right? They adjust the price and maybe the price plateaus at some equilibrium. But what I'm hearing from you is like there's just much more headroom to go up. That's the unfortunate reality of it. And that is what we saw yesterday in that same government data, which showed gasoline demand isn't down. It's gone up. One point, excuse me, 9.1 million barrels. And that's something I would expect. Americans are getting outside more. As the temperatures are warming up, there's more opportunity to enjoy that warm weather. And Americans haven't curbed their appetite at least yet, even with the national average at that 441 a gallon level. So there's plenty of room that prices will continue to go up. This is a beautiful lesson in economics. Prices will go up until demand starts to go down, and we haven't seen that yet. Yeah, there's just two factors in that price. Supply and demand. Patrick DeHan, thank you very much. Thanks, Chris. Coming up, Senator Tim Kaine joins me on Pete Hegseth-S little excursion in front of Congress. It's next. Hey, everybody. It's Roblo here. If you haven't heard, I have a podcast that's called Literally with Roblo. And basically, it's conversations I've had that really make you feel like you're pulling up a chair at an intimate dinner between myself and people that I admire, like Aaron Sorkin or Tiffany Haddish. Demi Moore, Chris Pratt, Michael J. Fox. There are new episodes out every Thursday. So subscribe, please, and listen wherever you get your podcasts. If you're a parent and want to help set up your child for success, then I-Excel is a right for your family. As an effective and affordable online learning program, I-Excel covers math, language arts, science, and social studies using interactive practice problems for kids from pre-K to 12th grade. Listeners can get an exclusive 20% off Iexel membership when they sign up today at Iexel.com slash 20. Visit Iexel.com slash 20 to get the most effective learning program out there at the best price. She loves it hot, he loves it cool. The pot by eight sleep is a smart mattress cover that fits on your bed and keeps each side at the perfect temperature all night low. By staying comfortably warm or cool. The pod helps you sleep deeper and wake up feeling more rusted. Every morning, you get daily health insights and a sleep fitness score. However you sleep, the pilot by AIDS Late Sleep adapts to you. Try it at Eatsleep.com. You're saying you're not paying any attention to this insider trading. Is that where you're telling me that you've paid no attention to this? You haven't noticed it. You haven't done anything about it? What I'm saying is we're focused on our mission of executing for the American people, and what happens in markets is not, embedding markets is not something we're involved in. What happens in betting markets doesn't matter to you, even if the information may be coming from insiders in your office. Senator, it's not something we're involved in at all. And of course, we take operational security at every level very seriously. In fact, no one's taken operational security more seriously than us.

Wait a second. Nobody takes operational security more seriously than Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, the guy who quite infamously tipped his buddies off to Donald Trump's airstrikes against Yemen in that secure signal chat group last year that included the editor of the Atlantic magazine. After getting grilled by House members yesterday about how seriously he takes his job, Pete Hegseth faced tough questions from the Senate Armed Services Committee today on how seriously he takes the law. A really fascinating exchange with Michigan Senator Elissa Slotkin, who pointed out that Pete Hegseth's boss had considered, strongly considered, using the military to seize voting machines in 2020, and in fact, ultimately didn't sign that executive order, thankfully. Pete Hegseth refused to say if he would carry out a similar order in the midterm elections. The president, your boss, the guy you're performing for right now, told the journalists this year that he wished he signed that executive order to your predecessor. And your predecessor said publicly, thank God, we didn't actually go forward with it. What are you going to do? You're the guy here in the seat. It's not hypothetical. Tell the American people, will you deploy the uniform military to our polls to collect voter rolls or machines? Are you accusing me of performing? Because you're performing for cable news right now. Dude, but Mr. Secretary, we have... It's a hypothetical. Other senators, including Temkane of Virginia, pointed out that under the law, it would need an act of Congress to continue the war beyond 60 days under the War Powers Act. Pete Hegseth had said, no, no, you're counting wrong. On Iran, ultimately, I would defer to the White House and White House counsel on that. However, we are in a ceasefire right now, which our understanding means the 60-day clock pauses or stops in a ceasefire. So you're not in. It's our understanding, just so you know. Okay, well, I do not believe the statute would support that. I think the 60 days runs maybe tomorrow, and it's going to pose a really important legal question for the administration. One of the men in those exchange is a Harvard train lawyer. The other is Pete Hegseth. The lawyer in that clip, Senator Tim Kaine, Democrat of Virginia, joins me. Now, I want to read to you, so there's this war powers 68 o'clock from the beginning of hostilities. They've got to come to Congress. They're saying a ceasefire stops the clock. This is from the Times reporting. It's a legal stretch to say hostilities are not ongoing when U.S. warships are blockading the street of Hermuz and firing on Iranian vessels, said John B. Bellinger, third, a former national security legal advisor during the Bush administration. There continues to be a clear and present danger to arm conflict for U.S. forces. Do you agree with that assessment? The ceasefire doesn't stop the clock? Yeah, Chris, for two reasons. One, the statute.

has no reference to this made-up rationalization that the secretary advanced today. The 60 days starts when the administration sends a notice to Congress that a war has begun. And they sent it, and the 60 days is about to run. And there's no stoppage time for some ceasefire. And second, the ceasefire is not an end to hostilities, as John Bellinger pointed out. We may not be dropping bombs, but the U.S. Navy is blockading every Iranian port and stopping any imports and exports from Iran and blocking transit of ships through the Straits of Hormuz. We are in hostilities. We are in war. The fact that we're not dropping bombs does not give the administration the ability to bypass the war powers resolution. You know, sometimes when I see Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth playing the role of Secretary of Defense, I have to like pinch myself remind myself that he actually is. Like I'm actually watching a real thing. This is the real earth timeline we live in. You voted against him, as did every Democrat when he was nominated. Has his tenure been worse or better than you expected? Because I think you had a pretty low estimation to begin with. Yeah, I had a low estimation, but it's been dramatically worse. And what we saw today, even though he wants to puff himself up as a secretary of war, the legal title is Secretary of Defense, and today he was Secretary of Defensive. He was trying to, you know, blame Democrats for the wars on popularity when the reality is. the war is unpopular with the American public. I represent one of the most pro-military states in the country. But my Virginians, every one of us who have a family or friend in the military, the notion of a war with no rationale, no plan, no support from allies, no consultation with Congress, that war is going to be unpopular. Everybody's got folks deployed. I mean, today, we heard that the Ford carrier is going to be, you know, finally coming home. Everybody in the Ford's carrier strike group was supposed to be home at Christmas. Now they'll be home in May. This is because the president is treating our military like they're a palace guard. And that's not what... the American public once. So, yeah, he's got a lot of griping about Congress, and he called the press Pharisees, don't mean to leave you out of the critique. But the war is unpopular because they haven't been able to convince the American public that this is worth sending our sons and daughters. to risk their lives. The Pharisees thing is very weird. Obviously, it's a biblical reference to sort of a sectarian division that existed at Jesus' time in the New Testament when he was battling with a variety of sort of internal Jewish sects.

but often has been appropriated later by basically Christian anti-Semites. It has a long history of being deployed in that way. And he was using it also, he was calling, like, senators that? I found it actually pretty offensive. I'm not Jewish, but so maybe I'm not the one taking me an offense, but he called Richard Blumenthal all this, and then he went back and forth with Senator Jackie Rose. And I want to just play that sound, because it is odd. And it's, it goes hand in hand with the, I think, the oddness of his rhetoric, which would be the most charitable way to describe it. Take a listen. Pharisees, it's a problematic and historically weaponized term that cast Jewish communities as hypocritical or morally corrupt. Words matter. What you choose to say, how we choose to say it. How do you justify using this language as Secretary of Defense? Senator, I feel like it's a pretty accurate term for folks who don't see the plank in their own eye and always want to see what's wrong with an operation as opposed to the historic success of preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. What do you think of it? Well, first, the guy's a joke because, you know, he keeps going back to, we want to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. We had prevented Iran from getting a nuclear weapon through a diplomatic deal that Donald Trump tore up. And this was a nuclear deal that had been signed onto not only by allies, but even erstwhile adversaries like Russia and China. all wanted to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. That diplomatic deal that was done 10 years ago was being complied with, honored by Iran. International agencies, our allies and our adversaries attested to that. And Donald Trump tore up a diplomatic deal because he didn't like the fact that President Obama had done it. And Chris, right now. 14 U.S. troops, including a Virginia and Virginia chief warrant officer, Robert Marzahn, have died. Hundreds have been injured because Donald Trump tore up a diplomatic deal. When you make diplomacy impossible, you make war inevitable. And that's what Donald Trump has done. And he's got an apologist in Pete Hegseth. He's going to go up and just be the cheerleader for it. But American... voters, Virginian pro-military voters, see through this. Yeah. And that's why the war is so unpopular. Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia. Thank you for your time, sir. Still ahead, Mark Elias on today's wild. I mean, really, the last 24 hours, wild escalation in the Republican power grab. And what his group's doing to stop it. That's next.

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You're entirely right. And by the way, indicting the FBI director for taking a picture of seashells on the beach is a facial violation of the First Amendment. I mean, the thing is, people have figured out in the Republican Party that you can do preposterous things. You can do illegal things. You can do things that are dangerous for democracy. And as long as they are pleasing Donald Trump in the attention span that he has, you were a great book, by the way, about the attention economy. I highly recommend it. But in Donald Trump's mind, the attention economy is like the 12 seconds of pleasure that he gets hearing that it was done. Right. So that's Florida. So there will be a lawsuit. And I want to say that that outcome is undetermined. Like I think the people that are going to sue, your group and possibly others, have a pretty strong case because of the state constitution. Now I want to move to Louisiana where something really crazy happened today. They are already voting in Louisiana. Okay. They have already started early voting for the primaries in that state for their congressional districts. The governor, Republican governor, Landry, Jeff Landry, declared a state of emergency today. The emergency, unclear what the emergency is, there's not a hurricane, to stop the primary elections and hereby suspend them so they can draw another map. We have word that two voters have already sued against that. What do you make of what's happening, Louisiana? Yeah, first of all, that won't be the last lawsuit. I'll just announce first on this program. There will be more litigation coming in the near future. But look, I think that we need to understand this as both a redistricting story, but also as a democracy story. The redistricting story is very clear, which is that the state of Louisiana is trying to cancel these elections so that they can gerrymander and disenfranchise black voters. But the larger democracy story, Chris, and I think you got it exactly right, is... The governor has declared a state of emergency to cancel, to suspend an ongoing election. Yeah. That he does not like the direction in which it's going. Now, I wonder, Chris, when we get to next November, when we get to the general election, whether or not we will have, for example, a president of the United States who will think he can do this. And if we do not... sort of put a stake in the ground now and say that you do not get to declare an emergency and suspend voting and sort of restart things. Right. Because you don't like how things are going. If we don't do that now, it's not going to make it easier for us to do it in November. Yeah. Look, I mean, there's hardball and then there's like authoritarianism and there's a line between them. It's like if you, you know, for instance, like. you know, what they, you know, they passed the bill in one day in Florida. And, you know, I think that's ridiculous. That's a lack of process. They have supermajorities. And that's now going to be litigated. But declaring a state of emergency to stop active voting under what, you know, possible justification or pretense.

Right. And it's exactly like you said. Look, I've had situations where governors are declared states of emergency. Actually, in Florida, because of hurricanes, as you point out, occasionally they will declare a state of emergency. And usually what they're trying to do there is to extend the period of voter registration or to provide longer hours for polling. This is the declaring of a state of emergency because he doesn't like the map. Like, that's the emergency. The emergency is the governor wish there's a different map. Mark Elias, who will be, I think, probably in courthouses very soon, in both Florida and Louisiana. Thanks for taking some time with us tonight. Thank you. Still come, Democrats stand their ground and get everything they want. And if that sounds confusing, stay right here. Today, there was a pretty huge victory from congressional Democrats and for the thousands of people who came out and resisted the ice invasions in Los Angeles and Chicago and Memphis and, of course, Minneapolis and the Twin Cities. After immigration agent shot and killed two Americans this January, Democrats in Congress refused to vote for a DHS funding bill that would shovel more money to ICE and Border Patrol without reforms. They held their ground for months, and now here we are a month later, and very quietly, Republicans passed funding by voice vote. Fas Shakir is a senior advisor, Senator Bernie Sanders, an executive director of more perfect union. Alencia Johnson's, a Democratic strategist, and they joined me now. So you got a situation where Democrats said we're not voting for ISR CBP, DHS shut down, Democrats then pushed a bill to vote for everything but those two agencies. They managed to get a pass in the Senate. The House said that's down on arrival, and then 30 days later passed it today, meaning ICE and CBP still aren't funded. And Democrats and the people that came out of the streets won this round. What do you think of that, Alencia? Listen, I think it's something that Democrats need to run around and actually talk about winning something that voters have actually been begging them to do something. You know, there's been a lot of conversation from voters and people who are really frustrated with the Trump regime and how they are just taking away so many of our rights and our civil liberties, including the ability to protest and protect our brothers and sisters and our neighbors. And this is where Democrats health align. actually won something for the American people. Now, look, I know this doesn't solve the problem that we are having when it comes to policy around immigration reform, but it is something that I think can help Democrats continue to have this momentum going into the midterms about who was holding this administration accountable when we know, quite frankly, the Republicans have ceded all of that responsibility that's in their hands. One of the lessons to me, Fas, here, is that public opinion just isn't fixed. And I think this would have been a hard sell to congressional Democrats if it was February of 2025, frankly. And I don't think they would have been crazy to think it was a bad sell then. Like, public opinion is different. But here's what we have, the latest Reuters ipsoz on immigration, 38% approved of Trump's immigration policy in April, 55% disapproved. Like, those protests really made a different. Public opinion changed. And it changed the way the politics operated in D.C.

A lot of appreciation for the Minnesotans who stood up with great courage and said, we're not going to take this laying down. And kudos to the Democratic officials who then said, okay, we've got some power in our hands and we're going to use it. To your point, if we think politically now, Democrats are going to campaign in 2026 on an accountability agenda. President Trump isn't going to be leaving office here in 2026. We have the power to hold him accountable, and they have now laid a precedent of how to do so. They not only changed the DHS funding bill, Chris, they also changed the leadership of these agencies, right? Gregory Bovino is out at ICE. Kristi Noem is out at DHS. So there were a number of ramifications from Democrats holding their ground and putting up a proposal that found consensus and that Trump now has to sign. Yeah, Vivino was CBP. He left. He had become sort of like agent at large. And the acting ICE administrator, I think, has also left, not mistaken. And let me stay with you, Fas, on the big development in the Senate map. Obviously, Maine is like a top tier possible pickup for Democrats. There was a contested primary between the governor of that state, Janet Mills and Graham Platner, a oyster farmer. Today, Mills dropped out. She was the sort of Chuck Schumer recruit. She's the governor of the state. Graham Platner came out of nowhere. This seems like Graham Platner's been. beating her in polling and also beating Susan Collins in head-to-head matchups, and seems like he's going to have a consolidated Democratic Party behind him now. He's a strong populist candidate from the moment that Bernie Sanders met with him. I remember, you know, Bernie Sanders always asked a question of, why are you running? And Graham gave one of the most... Awesome answers we've ever heard, Bernie Sanders asked him. Why are you running? He said, you know, I had four tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was given all these benefits, a small business benefit through the VA. I was given health care. I was given retirement. I don't want people to have to fight in an unjust war to receive those benefits. I want you to have them as a result of being an American. And it was just right off the bat, like, wow, this person is grounded. Bernie Sanders, like, this guy knows who he's fighting for. He's a working class person. And as more Mainers have learned about him, they've only loved... loved him more and more, and I think he gives us our best shot to defeat Susan Collins and get the Senate seat. Yeah, just to be clear, whatever people's sort of ideological, personal feelings about that primary, like the data had become quite clear that he was running very high against Mills in the primary and was beating Susan Collins in head-to-heads, but more than Mills. This number Alensia jumped out at me because this speaks to the sort of... field that we're seeing as we come to the midterms here. Nate Silver crunch these numbers. This is the average age of the Dem candidates in these Senate races so far. So the first is 2018, the last Trump midterms, where the average age of Democratic Senate candidates was 63. This year so far, 45.5. Talk about things the base has talked about and that primary voters have been itching about. You're seeing some real responsiveness. This is a much fresher-faced group of people running this time around than even in 2018.

Yeah, look, it's definitely a fresher face, people who understand the states that they are running in, people who are closer at age to a lot of the median voters, which is really helpful for a lot of Democrats. I do want to say something with this development in Maine. Listen, it sounds like, yes, the Democratic Party has coalesced around Graham Platner, and there are some folks, particularly black voters, who have had some criticism. And here's what I'm going to say. I hope that folks actually understand this. If this is who the party is going to. coalesce around. When black voters decide to put up a candidate who was younger, who may have something in their past that some other folks in the party don't disagree with, I would push us to trust black women voters and actually support those candidates as well. We understand every candidate is not going to have every single thing that each voter wants. However... It's often seen that we are asking black voters to make certain concessions. We are willing to do that when it comes to the overall health of the party. But we want to make sure that when we are making demands, like, I don't know, getting rid of the filibuster to protect the Voting Rights Act, which could have helped us this week. We ask that people from the center to the most left progressive to coalesce around our needs and the things that we want to push this country forward. Well, one of the things, one of the interesting takeaways from that main primary race, I think, the landscape of what voters think about things people have said or things they have done in their past has changed. I mean, it's just, and I think this is, I think in some ways maybe for the better, in some ways for the worse, but it definitely has changed. Like the standard of what counts in the era of Trump is just totally different than the politics that we had 10 years ago. Faz Shakir, Alencia Johnson. Thank you both. Stay tuned. Jen Saki has the guy we were just talking about. Maine's likely Democratic Senate candidate. Graham Platner with his first interview since Mills dropped out of the race. It's coming up next. Before we go, we have an exciting announcement. We're unveiling a special new mini series of my podcast called Why Is This Happening, the AI Endgame? I spent the last few months talking to people with just about every possible perspective on what's happening now in artificial intelligence, trying to kind of navigate through the kind of hype on the one hand and the doom and the other and all the confusion to get some understanding for myself as much as anyone. What exactly is happening with AI right now? What it means for all of us? That series kicks off next Tuesday, May 5th. You can check it out however you get your podcast. That does it for All In. You can catch us every weeknight at 8 o'clock on MS Now. Don't forget to like us on Facebook. That's facebook.com slash on with Chris. Real talent is defined by what people can do, not where they learn to do it. So by stopping at the education section of a resume, you might throw away the perfect hire. Skills first hiring helps you see talent others miss, like more than 70 million stars, skilled through alternative routes. Let their story unfold and gain a competitive advantage. Because hiring managers who start with skills are 60% more likely to find a successful hire. Hire skills first. Learn why at tear the paper ceiling.org. Brought to you by Opportunity at Work and the Ad Council.