The Future of America First — Royce White Exposes the Real Fight | Ep. 77

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You know, there is an honor system that I think is a universal language. We see it a lot and depicted in our films, despite them having become ultra-woke. We see them depicted in television. We see them depicted in our stories, whether they be novels or fiction. We see them depicted in all of the archetypes of heroes that we revere throughout human history. And there's an honor. And mostly that honor is reflective of the Christ. narrative, right, where Jesus Christ makes him much different than the other religious figures, but not so different than the other archetypical heroes, is that self-sacrifice and sacrifice of one's own, let's say, individual glory or, you know, advancement or enrichment is for the betterment of something greater than themselves. And the Christ narrative is for the greater of all humanity. But even for an individual, it's like, do you have a code of honor? Do you have a code of ethic? Do you have a constitution that you operate by, independent of the circumstances, sort of? You know, and it's like, I think that's what it's, it probably means. The easiest way to put it is, do you have a constitution that you operate by, regardless of the circumstances? If your constitution changes a lot, more so than not, based on the individual set of circumstances, then ultimately you have no sacred honor. And you'll be a person for hire or you'll be a person that changes who they are depending on the day or the month or the year. You know, I've... That's something that I've had to battle within myself over the course of my life and my time. Obviously, you know, you serve and you serve during the GWAT and you serve for these endless wars. And then you come to the realization, perhaps, you know, you know, I don't demean my service with the guys I served with because that was the sacred honor, that sacrificial commitment to one another. But the sacred honor of the commitment to us and why we were in those endless wars, it really, it flipped me. It started changing, in particular, the Afghan withdrawal. I mean, to invest that much time, effort, blood, and sacrifice, and to then again, just turn over whatever, $85 billion in equipment and put the people that we went into dispose back in power and then continue to pay them $40 million a week is. It's like what is that sacred honor? But one of the things that was fascinating. And I apologize for that, sir. And every American citizen should feel a sense of shame that we neglected our own civic duty and sacred honor and not holding our politicians to a better standard and a better accountability to be able to. to navigate those things politically, geopolitically in a much better way. Because again, as far as sacred honor goes, look, besides your Dan Crenshaw's who kind of shill for the thing, the machine, I don't hold any veterans guilty. I'm sure they probably feel different and struggle with that. I'm sure that has a lot to do with the mental health crisis that we see amongst the veteran community in some respects. But I never hold them personally accountable. It's like the police officers, you know.

And I think Steve Bannon said it best, and I don't think he meant it in a disrespectful way because he served in the Navy as well. But he said that he put it like this. He said that our men and women who serve have become rent a cops for an international banking Ponzi scheme, an international banking system. And that's not a, you know, that's not a dig on the service or the sacrifice because as a young person. Like me in basketball, for example, you come up, you were taught a game, you're taught all of the characteristics and the values of teamwork and camaraderie. And even in some sense that's imbued through a community, you know, a sense of community. And then you get to the highest level of the deal. the NBA, and you realize it's much more commercial than it is about the purity of the sport and the camaraderie of the team or even the institution. And so that's a tough thing for any man to have to deal with and confront. And I'm very gracious towards our veterans and the people who have served in that regard. I don't hold them responsible. Our politicians send our men and women to war. And in a lot of cases, our politicians have gotten us into wars and instigated wars knowing full well the implications for the men and women. they send. So. A hundred percent. That's well put. What really triggered me on wanting to understand this concept of sacred honor behind your thoughts is I watched you on the PDB podcast and you got into almost a philosophical debate with one of his co-hosts who kept presenting you, hey, why don't you just take the money, get to the power and then change the system. And that's an interesting question. And I think, you know, There's a lot of people that move into politics that have this illusion maybe of what they're getting into. In fact, you know, you talk about Dan Crenshaw, my old podcast I was on called the Team Never Quit podcast with Marcus Littrell. We were the first podcast to interview Dan in his efforts. And, you know, the guy that I interviewed in that day was not the guy that I see out there right now. and certainly not the guy that I've seen engaged with many of my close friends who sought his help in these veteran issues that he, he. was either told to or decided was not beneficial for him. And so can you just talk about like that's that discussion? He was pressing you that you should have just taken the money in the NBA, done what they told you to do. And then that way you would have been able to have the leverage to make it make an impact or influence because you were ultra wealthy. Well, first and foremost, I think he was mistaken.

you know, on the premise of how power and leverage and ethics and honor and righteousness really work. And that doesn't surprise me because I don't know Adam. I think his name is Adam. I don't know Adam to be a very religious man anyway. I think he's Jewish, if I'm not mistaken, but I don't know him to be a very religious man personally. I don't know him that well, but I don't know him to be that. So I think he struggles with the concept. fundamentally. And first of all, just from his perspective, you know, from a more strategic standpoint, leverage is an action word. It's a word that you have to, you have to use. You have to be willing to use in order for it to mean anything. If you don't use leverage, you don't really have it. And, you know, to think that you could sell your soul and along the way, not lose. uh the courage and motivation to use whatever perceived leverage you have is a grave mistake it's one that people often make in washington dc and in the corporate world or anywhere else in our society they think hey when i get the money then i'll be able to flip a switch and and just start doing the right thing that's that proves to be very difficult usually In our society today, because along that path, people are tracking you. Our society has a way of not allowing individuals to rise to a level of influence without... making sure that they'll play ball, right? In Washington, D.C., they call that the steady hands. A pair of steady hands is a person who will forego the moral and ethical consideration and the interest of the status quo. And there are a lot of steady hands in Washington, D.C. And there are a lot of people trying to break into Washington, D.C., who the deep state already knows aren't going to be steady hands. They're not going to play like nice. These are the people that don't get funding. So, you know, Again, and for the NBA example, let's say I had foregone the argument about mental health and mental health policy. That mental health- By the way, I just, I'm sorry to cut you off. That for me, because we're engaged in the same fight in our side and the veteran side, and there is a continuity. The times that I've worked with professional teams and as a motivational coach and support, you know, there are very similar things taking place within the, what is it, the sense of commoditization that comes from the soul, right? No doubt. And then the mental health aspect of that grind and that beat down. and that whole thing. So when you came out in that capacity was also one of the other things that just really made me gravitate towards that message. And because I'm fighting a similar message now, they won't even acknowledge the profound impact of a 20-year, you know, global war on terror and the impacts in particular in my community. So it really was impressive that you took that fight to an organization as large and as vast. Well, and you think.

The NBA is, I always used to say that there's a global corporate community and that the global corporate community is a watering hole for all of the problems, all of the issues of humanity, the human conditions. So, you know, the NBA, again, for example, this mental, when I fought this mental health battle. You know, you could say, oh, well, what does mental health matter? You're making millions of dollars. That's not the point. The point is that mental health is a social issue that's being avoided by the greater corporate community. And it's being, it's being intentionally measured. Meaning they know for, again, for example. When I spoke out about mental health, I had no clue that big tech already was projecting the ability to manipulate vast amounts of people through social media. and social engineering. That didn't dawn on me at the time. I was more so talking about, you know, legitimate sort of DSM, anxiety, depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, drug abuse, drug addiction, that type of scope of things. So even I was behind in a sense, but I had the intuition that, wait a second, there is a global corporate community. And there's a reason why the NBA as an institution who stands to benefit as being a kind of a tip of the spear on social. issues, right? They don't want any part of this issue. They don't want any part of this conversation. They certainly don't want any part of policy around it. But back to your point about Adam and his claim that I should have taken the money, let's say I had foregone the mental health fight. When China came up, when the LGBTQ came up, when the vaccine came up, I would have been blackballed for all of those as well. So you see how there's a trajectory there where if you want to speak the truth and if you speak the truth from day one, you have set yourself on a course to encounter the wickedness and evil of the institution, the spirit of the institution all along your journey. And that's kind of the, that's what makes heroes heroes. You're signing up for that. You're saying, hey, I know the NBA is going to, I got a son coming up. He's 14 years old. He wants to play in the NBA. You think it's going to be easy for him? I'd say not. I'd say he's going to have to be so much better than the best guy. It looks almost intentional that they don't give an opportunity. And I tell them that every day. It's like, hey, man, you got to realize I went against one of the most influential institutions in the entire world. And I was vindicated. I was found to be right. Not only has the mental health crisis exploded worldwide. It exploded in the NBA specifically. And now it's been twisted and perverted. And that's my own kind of regret is that. I wasn't wise enough at 21 years old to see that mental health would be used like many other things are as a sort of catch-all phrase to justify, you know, two-spirit LGBTQ transgender, you know, academia. I didn't realize that that wasn't even on my radar because at the time I didn't even know what transgender was. The trans wasn't even a thing when I was 21 years old. But that certainly has happened. So now I feel kind of, you know, regretful in some sense that.

that mental health was, you know, an issue that was ignored and then it was absorbed and then it was twisted and now it's being used as a weapon. And that's, you know, that's how a lot of things are being used in society, right? Yep, absolutely. It's interesting, you know, you think about. you know the naivete that we have as young men right and whether it was you imagining moving in you worked your butt off to get to that point right where you could be in consideration of of an elite group right and and when you get there it's not what it's turned out to be it's not what it is and so what does that do that forces you to uh wake up to Well, what don't I know? What haven't I been paying attention? And then what is the messaging? Like you're saying is to manipulate, the perpetual repackaging of real issues in the way that usurps that sacred honor to want to know the truth. Yes. It's they're constantly like chipping away at it. And so what I wanted to... It's the one constant. That's the one constant of... And if you go all the way down to the root of what we're fighting, We can talk about American history. We can talk about Western history. We can talk about the history of modern civilization. You know, we could, you know, you could skin this cat a thousand different ways, but it all goes back, in my opinion, it all goes down to man's fight against convenience. On my show on Saturday morning's Real America's voice, I say that convenience will be the death of freedom. And mankind has this, this, this. perpetual relationship with industrialization and technological advancement. And it is clear those two, you know, those two things will continuously seduce us. into giving up more of our freedom, but more of our sacred honor in pursuit of making things easier. And it's such a genius thing. This is how you know it's metaphysical or supernatural, that there's real powers and principalities and the devil is involved in that domain of human existence. Because it goes right down to our biological matrix. We as human beings are hardwired to try and make things more efficient out of survival. So, of course, if you give us an automobile versus a bicycle, we say, yeah, we like that. And then if you give us a hover car, and then if you let us teleport, and then if you let, I mean, we'll just go all the way over the cliff in pursuit of, of the perception that things are made easier. And that's what I was telling Adam to go back to the comment that you made about taking the money. Yeah, you can take the money. all the way into the grave. The question is, where do you go after? If you don't believe there's an after, we can't trust you to make moral and ethical decisions because what's to keep you from?

What's to keep you from, you know, not even, you don't even know what you don't know. You're not even thinking along those lines. Your framework is built on efficiency. This is the danger of AI and, you know, all these other things that are on the horizon for us. And we're just walking right into that. I mean, AI is probably the best example of, you know, we don't know how to stop ourselves. We will just go full tilt, walk into something we know is completely dangerous. And everybody kind of, and you wonder, I'm like, I get why Elon Musk has a technocrat sycophant mentality because he's an engineer and he's a tech guy. It makes perfect sense for him. My question is how all these other average American citizens or people all around the world watch it and go, yeah, okay. It's like, what? Well, it's, I, so I, you know, I work for a financial company for my day job, and I speak all over the country, you know, probably 100 plus events a year, 30 different states last year, and people that are involved in this industry. And I ask regularly, what's the greatest fear you have? AI, why? It's going to replace our jobs. We're not going to be needed. We're not going to be advisors or accountants or whatever it is. And then I say, all right, well, who in the room has educated yourself at the highest? level of it because they're all obviously smart people in quotations because they've gotten to where they got well who's educated how how much how aware are you of of this reality and and all very few less than probably five percent have actually gone done the work educated themselves on AI what is what a what what what is the the ways they can use it to be beneficial versus this fear that's coming behind it or this intentional cognitive dissonance, right? If I don't touch it, it's not going to affect. Well, the challenge is the next generation, they're figuring this out. They're being forced to. And I think, you know, they're with, even though, you know, I think Elon Musk, I think my intuition is that he believes if he can create a counterpoint to the evil manipulation of it, like they'll be able to battle it out for our futures, right? Maybe something like that. But for us that have to exist in through this, right, which is for our souls, right? That's what they're going after, right, to enslave our souls in some capacity with. a regimented set of ideology or ideas or manipulation, whatever that global governance thing is. We see with young people, though, that 24-year-old kid, like you and I were, that were naive and impressionable. they're gaining access to a whole new set of ideas, a whole new system that, a potentiality of a new system that they might be in control of. But there's also, there's a change taking place in the conservative movement. But before we get there, I just want to give time for one of our great sponsors, Patriot Mobile. You know, freedom has never been really free. And I think that's what we're talking about today with you and you run it. And lately, we've been reminded just

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his power as well. But, you know, as an individual, there hasn't been a President Trump. And I don't know if we'll have another President Trump anytime in the near future. I certainly don't think that I would, would fit the mold. A lot of special things had to come together for President Trump to be where he is and who he is. And, you know, there's just a lot of divine, there's a lot of divine. destiny in his journey. So right now the conservative movement is MAGA, but it's fighting itself. There's no doubt. And for good reason. My contention is that the conservative movement in its foundations was always kind of fraudulent. Right? It's when the, first of all, you got to go back to the conservative movement specifically. I'm not talking about the Republican Party. or conservatism or, you know, Christianity or, you know, any of these other very closely associated sex of our society. I'm talking about the conservative movement. The conservative movement doesn't even get it start until after World War II. Well, right there we have a problem because after World War II, the prevailing geopolitical philosophy informing not only our liberal institutions, but the conservatives that come through them as well, was the post-World War II Democrat liberal order. If your conservatives, if your mainstream conservative thought leaders are commissioned or their goal is to conserve the Democrat liberal order, to say in the quiet part out loud already, right? And that, you know, and you look at some of these early conservatives like Barry Goldwater who were shunned right out of the gate. I mean, you know, the more genuine America first sort of nationalist populace, Christian conservatives were shunned right out of the gate replaced by people who were more favorable for the status quo, the new status quo. So then you get Kissinger. I mean, then you get Nixon and Kissinger, right? I mean, again, right out of the gate. And then you get Reagan. Right. And then you get the Bushes in this entire neo-conservative movement who were intellectually Trotskyites, right? I mean, Bill Crystal's father, I don't think people understand the lineage here. Bill Crystal's father, Irving Crystal, was a publicly admitted Trotskyite. That's right. And Trotsky was, you know, a communist. No other way to put it. And, you know, after Lenin and Stalin took, took power there in Russia, they kicked the Trotskyites out because that's how communists usually do. When there's a power grab, they tend to knife each other in the back. Literally. Yeah, yeah. And Trotsky ends up in Mexico. And then they end up being in the early inception of the neo-conservative wing of the Republican Party. So, you know, in that sense, the conservative movement.

has always had one hand or one foot on both sides of the fence. And that's changing now. I mean, President Trump was the inception of... Republican voters and Christians and patriots and what has now become the MAGA coalition taking a strong look at their own side of the island going, wait a minute. Why is it that over the last 30 to 40 years the conservatives have had the House and the Senate just as many times as the Democrats, yet still we get the same results? We're not buying that narrative. This isn't just some political football or insider baseball in D.C. There's something going on here known as the Uniparty. And I think the conservative movement now is going through a hard, you know, a hard restructuring. And there's a knife fight. It's bloody and rightfully so. You know, my fear, if I'm being honest, is that Charlie Kirk's assassination, President Trump's. tendency to try and save what's left of legacy, of legacy and legacy institution and Israel's influence over our politicians and the media and the Christian evangelical wing of the conservative movement may in fact knock. America off track here. I hope not. God forbid. I hope that the MAGA movement and the America First movement prevail. But I just see such. And with the young people, it's, you know, the polls speak for themselves. The young people are very open to reimagine in our foreign policy the way that it should be, right, for an America first priority. But. The question is how involved our young people in the political process, especially on our side of the aisle. We'll see. That time will tell. We won't know that until 2026 and 28. But when I go to the Republican Party events, whether they be BPOU meetings or conventions or congressional district conventions, very, very. boomer, boomer heavy. Very few young people, very few people under 50, let alone under 30. So the, the America first wing of 15 to 30 year olds may take them a while unless they're led, unless they're organized properly, may take them a while to have that immediate influence on the political process and what is the conservative movement going forward. Well, I found it fascinating. I went back and I found a little speech that you gave on 927-24. And you made a comment about being from the next generation and that people need to really focus on offering the opportunity for cordial exchange.

And then you went on to say because there is a high degree of probability that this upcoming generation who is becoming disenfranchised on both sides. We see it on the left and the right for a lack of maybe the attainable American dream or whatever that that's become, right? You say that that generation is going to be a lot more predisposed for a real battle. And I thought if you could expand on what you mean by that, why do you believe that traditional and goes back to, I think, what you were insinuating with the Uniparty is like the conservative movement, although we go in power, we never seem to bring to fruition the promises that were made on the campaign trail, right? Well, the big beautiful bill tells us they're going to cut sputting and spending Doge comes in and all this. And yet we're still sitting here going, well, none of this stuff has been enacted. None of this stuff. And so that's, that's generating hostilities, I think, to it from both sides. No doubt. Well. Yeah, the younger generation is always much less amenable to the status quo. And then, you know, the danger of that, I guess, is that all revolutions aren't made equal and righteous. It's completely possible that this is the heresy of the left. They think that all revolutions are made equal and righteous. That if a revolution by its own standards is automatically a net positive, which is just crazy, naive and somewhat sinister and manipulative way to think about human history. or the human condition people are naturally wicked uh or they tend to be wicked or they're they're corruptible uh but so it's no different in the conservative movement like there's a younger more uh frustrated angry wing of the of the conservative movement or the right wing that isn't going to play nice when when they finally say enough is enough and they decide to run for office and they will win just like i was able to make a huge dent here in minnesota with no backing from the establishment no major donors or anything of the sort because the the truth has equal, you know, equal power in some sense to the money, you know, they're not going to, they're not going to go along with this, with this scam. And, you know, again, to talk about the scam is just like, the reason the conservatives have traditionally not changed anything is because they take one side of the grift. This is what the Uniparty is about. You got, you know, there's what, about $5 trillion a year, six trillion on paper. That gets divvied up between about 4,000, 2,000 to 4,000 bureaucrats and all of their ancillary special interests and lobbies. And you get the left wing who's willing to trade their freedom for the security of social status, public approval and basic needs, welfare, let's call it, Medicaid. And then the right wing is willing to trade their freedom for the security of a military industrial complex and a police state. And they are, you know, and that's been.

You know, the beating heart of the MAGA movement is rooted in our view of foreign policy. So, you know, whether you say it's foreign policy or domestic, you know, chicken before the egg, cart before the horse, okay, you can have that semantical argument. But essentially... Make America Great Again in the America First Movement said, for too long, we've neglected the American citizen and the value of American citizenship and just fundamentals, like what our country is built upon, the ideas, but even structurally, like the manufacturing industry, for example. So the conservative movement has been very hesitant to change the fundamentals of one of the pillars in American politics, and that is foreign policy. I love that answer. I think you're spot on on that evaluation. And I think it it. It prevails in the numbers from, you know, your last race against Senator Amy Klobuchar. You know, she came in, got a total of 305,000 votes in her primary. Your primary was much tougher, but you end up victorious was 74,800. But then that main race came, and, you know, it says it was decidedly different. that it was a runaway with her at 1.792, you at 1.29. But, you know, the lower ballot races, I mean, you take the Libertarian Party and you take the other and, man, you combine those, that's 100,000 votes that could have gone towards you. Yeah. if people had understood your message a little bit better and i think that funding was indicative of it right she raised 21 million 400 000 spent 23 million for a senate race which is just astronomical right and you ended with uh raised 1.5 and spent 1.4 um And I just think the fact that you were able to chip away at such a lynchpin of Democratic and Minnesota politics proves that this next race that, you know, you're going up against Tina Smith. I think you've got to feel a momentum building for sure. How will you address this race a little bit differently from the last? Well, we started earlier. That's the key. And you have to give up on the public perception of what a race is supposed to be and how it's supposed to go. We have this, we have this, you know, this crazy fantasy that we gave over.

control, corporate control, educational control to our enemies, our liberal enemies, and I do think they're enemies, genuine enemies of this country and of American citizenship. And then all of a sudden we're going to run these candidates out there one time and they're going to win with all of the media and all the money against them. It's kind of embarrassing that we even believe that that's even a part of our strategy. I mean, no good military man would ever come and see. We're going to win this on the first day of battle. No, we're not. That's ridiculous, right? Same sort of thing. So I just decided I'm going to run until we win. Yes. Because I know I'm telling the truth. And I'm young. I'm 34. Now, if I was 70, 75, then maybe I'd do something different. But at 34, I'm going to run until we win. And we're going to keep chipping away. And we're going to let the momentum of history fall in our favor. And it did it with Biden and Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar. And it will do it again for Tina's open seat. She actually resigned. So I'm not running against her. I'll probably be running against Peggy Flanagan. Okay. Who is our lieutenant governor, you know, protect trans rights with the blade t-shirt. I don't know if you saw that. I did. Yeah. She's a Tim Walz sycophant. And she was just endorsed by Bernie Sanders. So that's probably going to be my opponent. And. It's, uh, It's interesting. Like we started earlier this time. In the last race, I didn't really get up and running until after I won the endorsement, which would have been May of that election cycle. And then the general was in November, right? So you got about six months to really run a campaign. This time I started the day after I lost. And so a lot of what we've been doing in terms of getting out message, putting out content, connecting with the people here in Minnesota, being at all of the inner Republican Party events. and making sure that MAGA still has a presence, even though the Minnesota Republican Party's leadership and establishment loves them some Nikki Haley, right? Yeah, thank you. So we started earlier, for example, you know, a year prior to the 2024 election, I wasn't at the state fair. A year prior to this upcoming 2026 midterm will have been at the state fair. two times and over 1.2 million Minnesotans come through that state fair in 11 days and we gave away a thousand Jesus King t-shirts at the state fair and it was it was a major success and we heard from a lot of Christians and even people who are like, hey, I'm not religious, but man, I dig that sign because shit is getting crazy out here. So, you know, just little things like that and understanding how to navigate the discrepancy and money that's always going to be there as long as the globalists are more aligned with the Democrat and liberal politics. You know, for example, I have these mobile billboards that cost me probably, you know, seven to eight grand.

you know, a tenth of what it would cause to occupy a big, a major clear channel billboard on an interstate. And we drive those things all around the state. We have volunteer drivers hop in and they'd spend a day, 10 hours, just driving across the state of Minnesota, driving through the inner city. So we're much more savvy about how we run a ground game and a, you know, a small, a small game versus a big machine. Well, I think you've seen such a tremendous shift. I mean, obviously, and I don't think anybody on either side of the aisle can deny the massive impact that podcasting is happening, right? You know, my best friend is Sean Ryan and, you know, him bringing the guys on Theo Vaughn's, you know, and, you know, Joe Rogan with the president. I mean, these are a shift in how the political game is being played. And, you know, I've listened to that. lieutenant assistant lieutenant governor and you know you verse her on behind a microphone it's not even a challenge right and that's their their thing is they're still looking for the five-minute snippet or the two-minute they'll keep her away from me you know they'll keep her away from me if you go back and watch our debate oh i did listen to the whole thing and they yeah they uh they waited until the weekend before the general election was going to take place. So it was literally days before the election was going to happen. And there's a moment in that debate, which is probably my favorite moment of the entire campaign where I asked her about, while I was asked about Trump in 2020 and whether or not he won. And I said plainly, you know, it appears that he lost, but I can't be sure. And I can't be sure because Amy Klobuchar was on the record in 2018 saying that the machines can be hacked. I thought that was your most beautiful moment for sure. She was swallowing heavy and she was breathing heavy. She was fidgeting a little bit. I mean, she was visibly uncomfortable. I think she probably forgot that the thing was being filmed because she showed so much discomfort when talking about election integrity. It's almost, it's almost. It's almost unbelievable. I mean, the lack of chops that she showed physically as a sitting United States senator who wants to uphold the narrative about the integrity of elections. And so, but they waited until just before the election so that that couldn't circulate, right? And that's what they're going to try and do with Peggy as well. Because after a transgender jihadist goes into or goes up to a Catholic school and shoots a bunch of kids. at a mass, is there any way to defend a lieutenant governor who wore a t-shirt that literally promotes violence about trans rights? And for Bernie Sanders, I mean, for Bernie Sanders to triple down an endorser, maybe he doesn't even know, I don't know, you know, politics is strange where you got a team and they'll send you something and kind of rubber stamping and say, hey, listen, you got to do this and you never really get a chance to thoroughly look at it. And I would hope that Bernie. Because I think Bernie's a fraud, to be honest. I don't think he's a real economic populace. You look at his relationship with the medical industrial complex and he's as much a farmer's chill as anybody. But at least...

For him to try and maintain a position of credibility going forward with the Zohran Mamdani's and the AOCs and some of the economic populism that does have legs for the Democrat Party to hit your wagon to protect trans rights with a blade and a place where children were killed at a Catholic school is almost unreal. I mean, it's brazen. It's brazen as hell. I think that this wing of the Democratic Party doesn't care about any of it anymore. I think the freedom that they have to attach themselves to radical ideas is what's bringing. the younger, more radicalized, remember, you have three generations of radicalized kids that have come out of those schools, those elite schools all over the place who are drinking this stuff like Kool-Aid and really believe that there needs to be, what, an industrial, capitalistic revolution, right? And they're like, we're going to get the dream back and they're revolutionaries. Right. But what I really think, you're running for the U.S. Senate. Like, this is not. you know, a congressional district. This is, this is the U.S. Senate. This is the big game. This is, there's no other big game out there than this other than BP. I'm glad you say that. I'm glad that you know that. Oh, 100%. And what I love. The U.S. Senate is the last bastion of the deep state. It is. That's why in order to even run a United States Senate race, it's a running joke that you need to have already sold out to one of these major lobbies that can funnel $10 to $20 million to be competitive. I mean, even that is an obscenity and an affront to American citizenship. That's the standard. I've got a friend that's running for Senate down in Alabama, Jared Hudson, a team guy, and he's coming with that hardcore Christian American first message. Is he getting a lot of money? I don't know yet. I had him on back when he announced. I haven't had him on since. I haven't had a conversation on what he's raising. He's making the rounds. He's doing the deal. He's talking into the small little hamlets of Alabama, where those votes matter. And I don't know how he's doing. But I do know about his foreign policy. And I think the other aspect of that debate you had with Amy Klobuchar, was very striking in terms of, you know, her stance on both Ukraine and her stance on Israel and Palestine. And, you know, and it's like, I think. It doesn't get any more neocon than that. And so. Except Lindsey Graham. I mean, and they're almost, they're almost attached at the hip. If there's a, if there's a great example of the unit party, Amy Klobuchar and Lindsey Graham are it. They're the same person. They just have an Enron next their name. And what's coming out is I think, you know, you talk initially a little bit about that, that, that.

the policy of American security and how critical that is not only to protect jobs or re-onshore jobs or, you know, mineral rights or chip development or design, but it's also, I think, what really resonates, and a lot of that comes when... from how vocal the GWAT guys have been on their shows and their reach influencing young young men who look up to us in some capacity as well as athletes too. You know, there's athletes are being more vocal about what they have. been forced to be conditioned to speak. Now they're talking about, well, that's bullshit and this isn't right. And you kind of broke the mold for that overt ability to speak your mind. And one of those core components is, hey, we need a secure border. We need to stop the forever wars. And we need to bring that ability to recapitulate that middle class to give that hope back to young men, to be able to take care of their faith, take care of their families. and take care of the future of this great country. And you said at best in another interview that you did, and this was the thing that really hit me, man. This is the one, aside from that, the sacred honor comment, you talked about our forefathers and you talked about... that if you give up your freedom for security, you will have neither and you deserve neither. Would you just talk about that? Because that thing, man, for me, so heavily. I was just like... That may be one of the most profound statements our founding fathers made because it, you know, it cautions us about, again, the dangers of convenience and security as a whole. And the thing I like about... Our founding fathers is they were tough intellectually. They, you know, they didn't spare people's feelings and they weren't politically correct. I mean, imagine during the inception of a country, you tell the constituents and the citizens, there is a scenario where you forfeit your deserving of your birthright because you're such a coward. I fucking love that. I mean, I just... I love it. You know, they see, he says, he says, you know, not only will you not have the security because you're probably too dumb to realize you gave it away, but the more important piece is you don't deserve it. And I guess as an athlete, it's like you didn't deserve to win the game. You didn't work hard enough. You didn't get up early. You didn't put in the extra time. And you weren't emotionally steady enough and tough enough during the game to make the plays necessary in order to win. You didn't deserve to win. And there is a scenario and a thought process that we've lost in this country where what we deserve should be put on.

trial. What we deserve should be brought into question. Now, I think American citizens by and large deserve much more than we're getting. That's kind of the principle of the America First Movement. But the question is whether or not we demanded, go back to your leverage, the comment about leverage, if we don't leverage our citizenship, first of all, if we don't recognize that citizenship is real and it's important, enough to leverage it. then we don't deserve freedom and we don't deserve security and we won't have either one. And quite honestly, we don't have either one right now. I mean, that's kind of the reality is we think we have security. Well, how much security you have when a transgender jihadist can kill a bunch of kids at a Catholic school? And then the people who supported it and promoted it turned around and tell you they should, you should vote for them again. And you should give them more federal power. It's like, well. Okay. I mean, you know, how stupid do you think we are? And they do think we're stupid. Really stupid. Yeah, I say this about foreign policy. You know, it's interesting. We. We live in a reverse vassal empire. You know, in a vassal state traditionally is where a small kingdom pays tribute to a bigger kingdom for protection. Military protection is like, you know, I pay you a small tribute and if I ever have trouble with my neighbors, you'll send aid. We live in a reverse vassal state where we pay everybody else to protect them. And a sound mind would ask, why would we pay, like, for example, here in Minneapolis, which has a very dangerous downtown area, crime and, you know, gun violence and things like that, would you ever pay to go work at the most dangerous alcohol selling establishment in your respective city? And any smart person is going to say, no, why would I go pay to be a bodyguard? at the most dangerous nightclub in the city. Well, you would if you were selling drugs out of the back. You would be paying to watch over your investment. And that's what we've typically done. That's the great sin of our military industrial complexes. After World War II, we said, we're going to go around the world and bring peace. And we're going to bring democracy and freedom by peace through strength. And we're going to make all these nations and their people self-determining. They're not self-determining. They're dependent. That's right. You know, we've created a protectorate system and we pay them all. And really, the ugly part about the scam is it's all just a justification to still. our own people's tax money. That's what I'm saying. They're not paying. The people making decisions, they're not paying. They're getting rich. We're paying. And so our way of life, our children's way of life, the next generation's way of life, that's what's that they're paying the tab on it. But we don't question it because, you know, we are taught in schools that there is this, you know, there is this, this network of global interlocutors and load-bearing walls that can't be disturbed.

are challenged or else we won't have the natural deterrence or the institutional structural deterrence to nuclear war or world war and that's been the running narrative so you're i mean raken said it best or he said it well The nation that taxes people above 33% can't survive. That's right. I mean, we're up to 50, 60%. And, you know, if a nation taxed its people and it went to invest like, well, I talk about the national debt, you know, border debt forever wars, you know, there is such a thing as good debt. I don't want people to be mistaken. You can have good debt. In the real estate industry, for example, the whole thing works off a debt more or less. And but the debt has to go to investing in things that will actually make you more money. Right. That will actually return a profit. We invest our money. We go into more debt. We tax our people to pay to keep the lights on. That's right. And we pay to give other people money to keep their lights on or really to subvert us. And, you know, it's about what the debt is used for. We have taxed our people into oblivion. And what do we have to show for? Look at Beijing. They're kicking our ass. Beijing looks like something out of the, you know, out of a sci-fi movie. And Detroit, Michigan, the former manufacturing epicenter of the entire World War II theater is a shithole. Detroit, Michigan, in a perfect world, Detroit, Michigan would look like Shangri-La. That's right. My dad grew up in Detroit and told me about what it was like. His dad worked for GM, his entire 50-year career. And he talks about it with such reverence and what it was like being at the epicenter of American dominance. And, you know, they just went back recently. to visit. My mom was from Muskegon and to visit and go back. And it's just they're depressed. They're like, well, how does this go from in one generation go from, you know, what was considered to be the light on the hill to being just destitute and broken? And, you know, I obviously, it has to do with the manipulation of the people, the offshoring of jobs, the restructuring of. of our, the system that seemed to be the best, that emerged out of, was cut from the savagery of American exceptionalism of those early days. But now it's been hijacked, like you said, by kind of this globalist influence. Same exact way the conservative movement was hijacked in its early days. You know, this post-World War II Democrat liberal order was hijacked in its earliest days. And you could probably make a better argument. that the conservative movement

was was uh went through its transformation out of out of political necessity i would say uh you could make a strong argument that this entire post world war two deal was putting emotion well before and it it wasn't out of it wasn't out of necessity it wasn't altruistic it had it has a great altruistic narrative to it but i don't really i don't see it that way i see it in two ways either as metaphysical and supernatural the influence and wickedness of the results. I think it's funny, like Jim Jordan Peterson is somebody who I respect a great deal, despite his current or most recent. affiliation with the Daily Wire and how much I disagree with them. But I think Jim Jordan Peterson is a person and the type of mind that changed the course of human history. And we need more people who think on that level to be able to wrestle with things. But it's funny, like Jim Jordan Peterson, for example, you know, talks a lot about Carl Jung, right? And some of these people have profound philosophical concepts, like one from Jung is you can look at the results and infer the motive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great, you know, I'm not a huge fan of Jung, but I do think there's a lot of truth in that, that you can look at the results of a thing or a group of people or a person. And you can go back and infer the motive. Even if that motive wasn't at the top of that person's consciousness, somewhere in there, there was some wickedness. that prevailed and yielded that result later on down the road. That's a very profound intellectual point. He doesn't seem to see that about our security guarantees and our foreign policy, that the entire construction of the post-World War II framework. You can go back and look at the results now. Retrospect, you can go back and infer that the motive was not altruistic. It was not on the up and up. Our relationship with Israel, our involvement in the Middle East, the petrol dollar, all these things. You can look at the motive the same way he says about other things and look at the results and infer the motive. This is Becca and Tanya and Tanya Rad. Becca. Can I ask you a question? How do I convince myself I need something before I buy it? Oh, so we're doing that today. Well, I'll be shopping online and suddenly I'm like, well, technically, this counts as self-care. You're definitely not alone there. That's why Klarna stands out. It's about smarter tools that help you feel more confident with your money. Klarna brings payments, cashback, and money management together in one place with flexible ways to pay. It helps you make smarter money moves without the stress. That's the goal, right? Having tools that make your money work with you. Download the Klarna app today or visit clarnet.com to learn more. California resident loans made or arranged pursuant to a California finance law license. NMLS number 1353190. Klarna balance account required to be eligible for cashback points. Limitations, terms, and conditions apply.

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criticize the Jews on two basis. One, that Israel is not a legitimate nation because they had our help in winning the war for their territory. That's a bullshit argument. You could argue that with us in France. You could argue that with you. There you go. And that's the great argument, right? And I do think that there is a... I do think there's a criticism of Israel's legitimacy as a nation that is intended to delegitimize them so they can delegitimize America on the same grounds. And I'm just not going to deal with that side of things. I'm not going to let them run that game on me. All land is conquered land. All land that's of any consequence has been fought for in the past. And one group has prevailed over the other. So it doesn't seem accidental to me that a George Soros would. fund candidates or even a let's say a political philosophy in general that would look to delegitimize all borders. in all nations worldwide for his open society. Okay, so don't say that Israel is not a legitimate nation. Just say you don't agree with their government's policies. That's right. Okay. And also don't say that they're not the real Jews. That's ridiculous. Judaism is a voluntary faith the same way as Christianity, Muslim, and many other faiths. Yeah, now, I don't get that argument. I mean, it's just, it's not, it's not useful, in my opinion. It muddies the waters. Now, I do understand when people make the argument, these aren't the ethnic Jews that have a claim to that land genetically. Okay, well, we could talk about the migrations of Jews throughout history and whatnot. Fine, that's okay. Bottom line is if you say you're Jewish, my definition of Jewish is, do you believe in God and do you follow the faith of... of the Jews. If you claim you're a cultural Jew, I'm saying, no, no, no, I don't believe in that. In fact, I call the secular and cultural Jews, anti-Jews. That's just my, just like if you don't believe in, if you're Jewish and you don't believe in God, you're not Jewish to me. If you're a Christian and you don't believe in Christ, you're not Christian. So those are two things, but I say that because just as a preface for my- Can I just ask a clarifying question on that? Is there a reality to, deep, deep cultural route, right? Like, let's talk about, in northern Iraq, right? You have the... Oh, I can't believe I'm drawing a bike on them, but they're not the Kurds. Yeah, the Kurds. The Kurds, right. The Kurds, right? So they're Iraqis, right? They're Muslim, but they're Kurds, right. And so... Also a lot of Jewish Kurds, too. That's right. That's right. And so, like, there is a deep connection that can morph out of a cultural identity as well, too, that... For sure.

you know and that's why i think like the term but my point is my point is with the with the jews uh currently um and and professor penn talks about this as a ukrainian jew and you know ukraine is kind of one of those hotbeds of places that the jews migrated to after the you know after after the you know the the roman jewish war uh so uh It depends on which group of people you're talking about and which set of values and things survive culturally. To me, there is no greater example of contradiction than the Jewish identity being ripped from its biblical history and then to say we have to give you this land and we have to support all your policies based on that biblical history. I mean, if you're going to tell me that there's a holy war and I should support Israel faithfully because of my own Christian faith, but the people in Israel, or let's say the leaders there in Israel, don't believe in that faith or they reject that faith. We have a theological schism here. We have to reconcile this. We can't just, I can't fight a war based on faith with people who don't, who reject the faith. That's kind of a weird thing. Historians agree the culture you're talking about sort of that cultural or ethnic Jewish identity only survived the Chernobyl, in large part due to the Hebrew Bible. that the traditions that prevailed from the Hebrew Bible proceeded throughout the diaspora and were passed down orally and written. And that's why you have a Jewish identity today. That's why, you know, all the other great empires of the past can't say the same thing. And you can make an argument for monotheism and our religion and how powerful it is and its human value because the Jews were able to survive the eternal house of history. that identity. But then don't be telling me I got a, I got to, you know, bow at the feet of Jews who don't believe in God. Hold on now. We're not going to play that game. So, you know, and I, again, this is all about, I was talking about Nick Fuentes in this podcast. And that's where he and I, I don't think that Nick Fuentes even makes that argument, just some people who have criticism of Israel do make that argument. But Fentz makes an argument often about IQ. And I just don't think IQ is a Christian idea. I think that the scripture shows us pretty much as plain as you possibly can get that the spirit and the intellect are inextricably linked. I mean, if you make the assumption that the scripture is influenced by the Holy Spirit and God doesn't make mistakes and that God's intention for the scripture is to help inform all of his children and believers to be closer to him, it.

It's making a statement that faith itself is in some ways an intellectual development, which also affirms that the intellect can be developed. It's not static. The people who created the idea of IQ coming from the British Empire's academic. academic world, you know, Galt and, you know, Darwin and some of these guys, they had a vested interest in making the argument that IQ is static. And we know what that interest was. That interest was drugs, piracy, and slavery. And I'm not one to say that the West is illegitimate because of colonialism, because again, all land has been conquered. But I'm not, I'm not naive to the fact that some of their academic contributions, some of their intellectual contributions were rooted in. desire to colonize and subjugate what they considered or what they described as lesser forms of people. But, you know, China has a very profound ancient civilization. South Americans obviously show a profound civilization. There in Africa, there were nations other than the Egyptians like the Mali Empire who had very, very sophisticated society. So I think the intellect can be developed. I think one of the greatest sins, when we look back in history, one of the greatest sins will be how people who were powerful strategically and to their own benefit or for their own benefit tried to bastard the intelligence and intellect of certain people. and they block them from intellectual development by economic and military means. You know as well as I, you know, there's a reason why South America is a third world place. There's a reason why Africa is a third world place. It's not just because their IQ is low. And I do agree that their IQ is probably low, but I do think it could be developed. We like that stupid. We like, and look at the example in America. We like Negro stupid. The American Uniparty that has been dominated by white academic intellectuals loves black communities dumb. They love your average black person to be dumb. Now, a few of us, like myself, not pat myself on the back, you know, but a few of us. crack through the mold or we, you know, we're anomalies. We break through that ceiling and we say, I'm going to question the entire thing from the outset, from the bottom up. And there are, Thomas Sol was one of them, right? And there are plenty of examples of very, very wise and smart African Americans. I don't really call them African Americans, black people. But by and large, and this is of our entire education system in general, but you really see it in black communities. For example, in Minnesota, this blows people's minds. Minnesota. has one of the best public school systems in the country. The black community, the inner cities, Minneapolis public schools are second to worst in the country in reading proficiency.

So the inequality gap of education probably has its single greatest example in the country right here in Minnesota, but it's being led by white liberals. So you see what I mean? I mean, there's no way you can look at the education system and the bastardization of the intellect in black America and not think this was done strategically. Why? It's easy to control people who are stupid. But the same thing is true in Africa. The same thing is true. We go there. We pay warlords. We deal with certain despots. We're giving the Taliban money. And we like that they suppress the intellectual growth of their people. Makes it easier for us to deal. Wow. That's about as profound as it gets right there. And it goes back to that, the manipulation of the spirit. And I think everything that you say sounds makes sense to me. I appreciate you giving me the cold, hard truth. That's one of the main reasons why after watching the – I saw the post you made the other day where you had the video of Malcolm X on there. And I was just like, I mean, when was the last time in my paying attention to politics that a modern – Republican senatorial candidate post a post in that capacity talking about the devastation of the spirit through whether it was the dumbing down of a particular group of people or was there the manipulation of information. And it just seems like you are. breaking the mold of what has been the unit party has contained, managing both sides, creating expectations, keeping them at the lowest level, why the bigger machine just continues to, I don't know what it is. It's almost just. pummel the intellectual curiosity of the next generation. Damn in the spirit. I mean, that's what I mean is, again, the development of the spirit and the intellect are inextricably linked. And I'm not saying that you have to be. an intellectual giant to have a relationship with Christ, or I'm not saying that you have to be trained formally in a school or in an academic setting to be a good Christian. But what I am saying is that even if you're not trained in school, there is a wisdom to righteousness and a wisdom to the spirit that makes you just as smart as any PhD. And we see that. But if you have the spark of your intellect dampened and suppressed in many cases intentionally, yeah, you're going to be, you're going to struggle. You're going to struggle in life. You're going to struggle in your relationships. And most importantly, you're going to struggle in your own internal intellectual growth, which is at the root of of being a good Christian, because what man think if he beeth, right? Amen. Royce, where can people follow you, support you, and what's next for you?

Roycewhite.us is the Senate website. Please call me crazy as the podcast. I'm on Real America's Voice Saturday mornings. You can find me on all the social media platforms. I'm usually starting to fire somewhere there on social media. And, you know, next we're about a year out from the 2026 midterms. I'm going to continue to campaign and speak the truth. We got a lot of fun things coming up with the campaign. It's deer hunting season here in Minnesota. So we're doing a big buck contest for the campaign and doing some sign memorabilia and T-shirts and things like that. So a lot of little things like that I do on a daily and weekly basis besides the podcast. Hopefully you can call your boy Sean Ryan and tell him I'd love to sit with him as well and make the rounds. I already reached out. to him today and told him. I'm a fan of his, I'm a fan of his podcast, man. I think he's one of the few people that are saying the true and dark, scary, but necessary things in this political environment. So, you know, I'm next we're going to try and, you know, beat Goliath, you know. But I'm a happy warrior. I'm optimistic about it. If we don't win, they got to kill me to stop trying. I mean, it doesn't wound me personally. If people want to vote for a transgender jihadist, hey, you get the government you deserve. And by God, we all will. But I'll keep fighting. Amen. Thank you so much, Royce. God bless you. Thank you, sir. God speak to you.

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