Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H2 - When Are The Charges Coming?

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They have to go and get them in the streets. They are causing this whole situation. The Democrats are forcing all of this. The subpoenas story went out yesterday for Mayor Fry, for Tim Walz, for a bunch of other Keith Ellison, I believe the Attorney General of the state of Minnesota. What I am hearing from people, and I don't know if you hear this buck, but on my day to day, when are the charges coming? We have seen and heard outrage, and I get it. I understand a lot of people out there say, well, there's lots of people who are very good at going on, government people, going on and condemning things. We can't have this happening. I am outraged, all those things. I think a lot of people now are saying, when are charges going to come? Because otherwise you're just fulminating outrage, but it doesn't lead to any tangible result. So. Do you think there's any chance that we will see charges, Buck, against either Mayor Fry? Tim Walz, or any of their high-level officials relating to the Minnesota fraud, relating to anti-ice protests, the encouragement of them. Do you think anything happens to Fry or Walls in any kind of significant way? Well, I'll ask Michelle Tafoya this, too, top of the next hour, because she's running for Senate now as a Republican candidate from Minnesota. She just announced today. But do you think anything happens? Because that's the number one thing I hear. Okay, we've heard all this. When are there going to be tangible result? No. Yeah. They're not going to prosecute either of them. And again, if I'm wrong, I'll come on and admit that I'm wrong. But I don't think I'm going to be wrong on this one. Oh, is there a Kalshi for this on whether or not they'll be prosecuted? Yes. Oh, okay. I'll pull it up. Here we go. Money where his mouth is with the Buckster. Let's see if you have, I think, will Walls face criminal charges? Let me see. Let me see if I can find it. But yes, you can put a line on. Will anyone be charged in the Minnesota daycare fraud before January 1st? Anyone, anyone, I think is absolutely, of course. There are people that stole millions of dollars and they've got them dead to rights. But the governor of Minnesota over this? No way. No way. I'm looking right now as whether he will face charges. I think he should, but I do not believe, I kind of square with you where I just kind of gotten used to no one of any significance ever getting charged. Now, to be fair, they did manage to get Letitia James charged, and they did manage to get, you know, a couple of Komi charged.

But then almost immediately they were able to fight it by saying, hey, this is unacceptable. And the way that the indictments came down with Lindsey Halligan, she was not appropriately set up. And so they were able to figure out a way to get out of that. But I am just skeptical. And I'm not even talking about convictions because I think one of the biggest challenges, even if you charge them, would be getting a jury that would convict in Minnesota. Because you're seeing a lot of people won't convict in D.C. I mean, it's a small thing, but the guy on camera who threw a subway sandwich at an ICE official, they couldn't actually get, they couldn't actually get any conviction against them. The grand jury refused to indict. All right, here's the, here's a way to look at it, Buck. Will anyone be, who will be charged with a federal crime in 2026? John Brennan favored to be charged. Letitia James favored to be charged. Elon Musk Omar, right at 50-50. So that would be significant. Tim Walz's 44% chance, Buck. 44% prediction market chance right now that Tim Walz will face charges at some point in 2026. So basically, according to the gambling markets, a 50-50 proposition on whether he will face any sort of significant. And Jacob Frey is 35%, by the way. Well, let's unpack this for a second. And I know right now, people, I can hear the booing from many of you all across America. Boo. I'm not saying I don't want him to face charges, but first I would want to know, I'm saying I don't think it will happen. So it's a prediction. That's why we're talking about prediction markets. What would the charge be? Being a moron? If that's the charge, we got a lot. We're not going to have enough room in the prisons for all the Democrats, my friends. What's the charge? No, I mean, I think, you know, failure to be a good politician, you know, give me a break. It would be, I think it would have, well, first of all, the odds of him being able to have been proven to directly profit off of the fraud is very, very high. But look, maybe you subpoena documents. I think it's hard to say, hey, there was this amount of dollars of fraud in Minnesota and Somali Healthcare and Back Channel Tim Walz was making money. I think that's a hard accusation to make. So I do think that would be somewhat challenging to analyze. By the way, here's one that jumped out of me. Don Lemon, 76% chance that he will be charged. That one I would not, I'm not so smug about my prediction or my betting on that. I wouldn't, I can't.

and they're doing subpoenas, maybe they get evidence to support this, that Tim Walz, and again, I think it's very hard to get a conviction, but let me make the case. Tim Walz did not stop Somali daycare fraud from occurring because the Somali daycare fraudsters were contributing money to his campaign with fraudulent dollars that they were receiving. You would have to prove, as I know you know this, but you would have to prove. his knowledge of not just the fraud, but the fraud money coming to him. That is a super high bar, and he would have to be even dumber than I think he is to have left the evidentiary trail necessary for that. He would have to be Hunter Biden-level reckless, and his daddy ain't the president. Well, and Hunter Biden-level reckless... barely got him charged with anything, which is a frustration in and of itself. So that would be one angle of the charges that could have occurred. Potentially, and I don't know what the funding mechanisms that has occurred for ICE, potentially there is these anti-ice protests. The money's coming from somewhere. if it were proven that Tim Walz was funneling any of his campaign dollars to these anti-ice protesters, potentially you could bring charges there. That's a couple. And again, I'm not saying you could convict and you have to get the charges brought. I think a conviction is even more challenging than bringing charges. I guarantee you we have a lot of prosecutors out in the audience. What have you seen? And I'm saying this to the prosecutors, 800 282-282, 282, that you think could represent a colorable claim against Tim Walz. I would be interested to see what they have said. To your point, we told you, look, Letitia James, I think beyond a shadow of a doubt, charges should be brought against her. I think the James Comey charges, I think those were legitimate as well. And what I'll say is, Some of you are going to say, I don't even care because they brought 34 felony counts against Trump for basically bookkeeping errors. And it was totally illegitimate in New York City. And they made him sit there for six months. And I still think that case is going to get tossed. But you nailed it, Buck. The punishment is the process, right? Regardless of whatever ends up happening. So even if you could get the headline of Walls charged with a felony, a lot of people out there saying, More power to you. And people are going to say, well, what if we just charge walls with some nonsense just to make a point? I mean, maybe. Maybe that'll happen. I still think very low, very low probability because you also then, I mean, look what happened to Trump. Yeah, you just pointed out. They charge him with 34 felonies, and now he's the president. Because enough people knew by the charges. Enough people that look at the Mar-a-Lago raid. Oh, he's giving nuclear secrets away to the butler or whatever. No, not true. And now he's the president. So that stuff, you've got to be careful with weaponizing the law. There are still enough Americans that see that for what it is. I think that's true. But no, no, I'm just, I'm sitting here thinking.

Could we make Tim Walz a liberal hero by charging him with a crime? He's also, honestly, I think Fry is so much more odious than Walls is just a dumbass. Fry is actually cheering on and advocating for the destruction of civilization. You know what I mean? Walls is really just kind of a hapless. He's a hapless rube. Also, the problem with Fry getting charged, though, is it makes him a national political figure. I think your analogy of Trump getting charged was the best thing that could have happened to him for his political career. My concern is sometimes when you over-prosecute or aggressively read the statutes to prosecute, you actually elevate people who should not be national figures and the national figure dumb. Right now, Cozy Earth, they'll hook you up. All you have to do is go to C-O-Z-Y-E-A-R-T-H. Cozy Earth, they've got a 100-day trial and a 10-year warranty. They want you to be satisfied with your purchase. Go online to cozyearth.com. Use my name Clay as the promo code for up to 20% off. That's cozy earth.com promo code clay. Get hooked up right now. Lux bath towels, Baja bedding sets, all of it. It will get you hooked up and you will be well on your way to making a tremendous difference. CozyEarth.com, Clay. That's cozy earth.com. Clay for 20% off. All of this is fantastic. Check it out today. CozyEarth.com code clay. You don't know what you don't know, right? But you could on the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast. The Joel Osteen Daily podcast. God's plans for you are for good. Be inspired. Get ready. God is about to exceed your expectations. Joel Osteen Daily podcast. You are coming out of that dry place into more than enough. Daily encouragement right when you need it. There are opportunities in your future bigger than you can imagine. Listen to the Joel Osteen Daily podcast on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite podcast. Welcome back in, Clay Travis, Buck, Sexton show, President Trump now taking questions from reporters. He's been going for about 10 hours now, at least, right? When did he start speaking? I think he started speaking at around 8.30, 8.45 a.m. Eastern, if I'm remembering correctly. And now here we are sitting quite a bit later, and he's still going in Davos taking questions. I guess this is hour five or hour six after an overnight flight. He's got Howard Lutnick, Scott Bessent, with him as well. I wanted to play this. I believe we have Scott Bessent, Buck. Did you see the flying elbow on Gavin Newsom from Scott Bessent?

This is what Scott Bessent had to say about Gavin Newsom. All-time take down. Listen. I think it's very, very ironic that, you know, Gavin Newsom, who strikes me as Patrick Bateman meets Sparkle Beach Ken, may be the only Californian who knows less about economics than Kamala Harris. He's here this week with his billionaire sugar daddy, Alex Soros. And the Davos is the perfect place for a man who, when everyone else is on lockdown, when he was having people arrested for going to church, he was having $1,000 a night meals at the French laundry. And I'm sure the California people won't forget that. Man, that's like he took out a two by four on that one. He decided it was time to. tune up Gavin Newsom like Brigitte Emmanuel Macron tuned up Emmanuel. I mean, that was a tough one. I mean, to go after him that aggressively, and I mean, the Barbie reference is really, really funny. That is well done. I wasn't anticipating Scott Bessent just bringing the two-by-four to Davos. You know, there's often a direct correlation between events in the news and the price of precious metals like gold and silver. Yesterday, great example. Just the threat of tariffs by our White House if a deal can't be made for Greenland's future. And the price of gold all of a sudden went up 2.5% in a single day. The stock market went down by 2%. The value of gold is up over the last year. 60% if you've been watching. Now that's just one year. Okay, fine, that's a big move, though. How about over the last 20 years? The trend is your friend. Look at it. 700% gold has gone up over the last 20 years. There are forces pushing the dollar lower and making our savings less valuable. That's part of what is making gold go up. It's your turn to buy some gold. Until February 1st, if you're a first time gold buyer, Birch Gold Group, that's who I trust for my gold. They're offering a rebate of up a $10,000 on qualifying purchases. To claim eligibility and start the process, text my name Buck to 98, 98, 98, 98. Text B-U-C-K, do 98-98-98-98. Text Buck, do 98-98-98-98. Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We have some talk back. I want to get some of your calls as well. And let's dive into some of this, actually. We have, we still have Gary in California, my friends. We got Gary? What are we got from you, Gary? Hey, what, Clay and Buck. By the way, I've been a long-time listener to the Rush Limbaugh show since 1986. Yeah. Yeah, my, my day didos. Working at the post office, I would always have Rush on the radio, and I got a lot of my fellow mechanic, auto mechanics there at the VMF to listen to listen to Rush. Yes. Well, thank you for that. And thank you. We're five years in now. So thank you for sticking with us. What's got for us? You guys are doing great. I mean, it was so sad when we lost rush. It's just so sad. Anyways, I don't know about you guys, but, you know, Donald. It's not the same Donald right now as he was two months ago because when Donald said he would go after somebody, he went after somebody. And I feel so sorry for the people in Iran. He said that he was going to cover them. You know, he drew a red line. And I look at the amount of people that got killed. And it's just...

It's just so sad. I mean, let me just, yes, we got to figure out what to do with Iran, Gary. But it was like two weeks ago that Trump took out Maduro from Venezuela in one of the most aggressive military actions in any of our lives. It was only six months ago that he bombed the nuclear capabilities of Iran. I think. not being willing to aggressively defend American actions and deploy American assets when he sees it makes sense is actually not somewhere you could criticize him. So you wanted him to do what with Iran bomb? Well, what I would like to see, I mean, my next-door neighbor, Human, he's a prime example. His father is still in Iran, and he really wanted to see Trump step up and protect the people of Iran. I mean, get the job done where people there in Iran, you know, they were holding up signs. Donald Trump. I mean, how often have we seen that in Middle East or countries? Look, I think the Iran situation, Gary, based on... what I have been told and what I have read and what I have surmised, and I think, Buck, you may or may not sign on with this. I think the concern that was presented to Trump is if you attack Iran, you probably are not going to remove the government and you're going to make the Middle East more unstable, which is what Saudi Arabia and Israel, who often have different takes on what should happen in the Middle East, both told President Trump. So I think he's in a bit of a tough spot there. Yes, that is correct. That is why he didn't do it. I think it's not because he didn't have the, I think anyone's saying ever that Trump doesn't have the gum stones. Yes. He doesn't have the chutzpah is sorely mistaken. Let's not forget this is the guy who took a bullet in the ear, put his fist in the air while he was bleeding and said fight, fight, fight. Not a lot of people in Washington, D.C. elected office would pull that one off. Let me tell you. But I think that he recognized strategically Clay would not have had, we're not in a place to get to the end result. And, you know, this is big boy foreign policy. Okay, can we do this in Venezuela and will it make things better? Can we do it without it blowing up in our face, get rid of Maduro, take him off the chessboard? They decided, yes, and I think that decision is going to look very prescient in retrospect. Could we do it with the mullahs in Tehran? I think the administration looked at the available options, the reality of the opposition on the ground, and they just said, we can't stop this. And so you're kicking a hornet's nest without an ability to eradicate the hornets, which is what you don't want to do. The Wall Street Journal published this morning on their editorial page, the basically Secretary of State of Iran and editorial.

which I thought was kind of crazy, and then they had an editorial explaining why they did it. They still haven't turned the internet back on in Iran. And I would just point out that governments that don't allow you to use the internet are not necessarily very confident in their staying power. So we will see how that continues to play out. James in Louisville, what you got for us? Hey, Phil. Hey, fellas. Nice to talk with y'all again. For the last four years, you all, and y'all been on the air for five, you said multiple times. And Buck kind of busted me on it a few minutes ago, right before, right after I called and been waiting. The process is the punishment, guys. Let's not forget that. And we got to sing that loud and clear. Yes, it did help at the end of the day that Trump did get elected because of all the law fair because those weren't proper charges. Those weren't properly filed. They tried to take something that was local and bringing up to a federal up in New York and all the other chicanery. Everybody saw through this. But this is billions and billions and billions of dollars. James, I don't, I don't, sorry to cut you off, James. I don't disagree with anything you said. Pretend that you were a Democrat and Jacob Frey gets charged by Donald Trump with what you consider to be because you're a Democrat, illegitimate charges. Are you not of the opinion that it could lead to Jacob Frey being a more popular political figure than he was if he's not charged? That's the question that we were debating because for Trump... For Republicans, everybody rallied around him. Now, you can say, yes, these are illegitimate charges. They were all those things. I would submit to you there very few persuadable Democrats who are going to see any charges brought against Fry and any charges brought against Walls and say, oh, Trump's got them dead to rights. The DOJ has got a great case here. I don't think those people exist. We're worried about those people. We're worried about the rule of law and in the political sense, the independence that also agree that the billions and tens of billions of dollars that have been stolen from the American taxpayer, that we need some retribution for that. And I think the independents will see that. Okay. Okay. Well, thank you. So, no, we could let the caller go. Thank you, Call. I appreciate you calling in. Clay, I would say this in response. I've also gotten some. tweets about it and everything else. First of all, people he do, I understand, passions can run high. Everyone always needs to take a moment when you're talking about the difference between a prediction and a preference. So I can say, I think someone's going to win the election. I can say, I think a Democrat's going to win this congressional seat. That's not the same as saying, I want them to. I'm just saying, look, I think this is what's going to happen, unfortunately, right? I don't think they're going to charge Tim Walz.

I'm willing to entertain why we should charge Tim Walz, but someone needs to explain on what grounds. Now, for people who are saying, and this is the buckism that many of you have adopted, and I learned it from the CIA, by the way, the process is the punishment. Very real thing, very true. They use that. However, even within that framework, and this is what you're getting to, Clay, the process is the punishment can backfire. That's my point. It's that if you don't have any grounds whatsoever, and I think against walls, I'm going to say this. People can be doing it. I don't know of any grounds whatsoever to charge him walls with anything. Don Lemon, no, that's different. He obstructed a worship service and was an active participant allegedly in that obstruction, right? That's a different. Maybe they bring charges. So that I'm like, okay, maybe they will, and maybe they should. However. With Walls, you have to tell me what the charges. If we charged Tim Walz with sedition, just because he's a blubbering buffoon, we're going to look like we don't care about the law at all, and that may, and I think would, and you could even argue should, backfire. But, Clay, to your point, if we charge Walls with knowingly accepting illicit campaign donations funneled through this, Great. Even if it's a little bit of a stretch, even if we have to prove the mens rea, even, okay, fine, but you have to operate within the realm of reality because, one, I think there are some ethics and principles that we still should adhere to, right? I don't think we should just charge Jim Wallace with, like, murder because you don't like the guy. I think that's crazy. And two, I think that it doesn't help your political cause. So this is where the, as Bush would have said, strategy comes in. Yes, I agree with all of that. That's why, to me, you have to, what's a great line? Show me the man. I'll show you the crime. Show me the crime, the secret police chief in the Soviet Union. Yes, sir. Show me. That's impressive. Recall. Show me the crime. The best one that I could come up with. And again, we opened up phone lines. This is significant, I think, and said, hey, former prosecutors, what have you seen that you would charge Tim Walz with? Producer Greg, unless he's hanging up on all the former prosecutors, I haven't gotten a former prosecutor saying something different than what I just laid out. To me, what I just laid out of, and again, it's tenuous because to Buck's point, you have to prove that he was doing this intentionally to benefit. Every crime has most crimes. There are some strict liability offenses that gets into the weeds, but most of them requires an act and an intent. that Tim Walz allowed these Somali daycares to continue because he personally wanted to profit off the donations that they were making to his political campaigns. That's a tough case to prove. Now, could you potentially get an indictment and then the process of the punishment becomes the crime? Maybe. That's the best case scenario that I can make so far as I can tell right now based on the evidence that I have seen. And I think that we've made it very clear that something that has changed in the Trump era was, and I would say that Trump himself, Trump himself was operating under this principle. And it was for the betterment, that's a word, right? For the betterment of the country, sometimes you don't charge people for.

non-hainous, non-super-serious crimes in politics so we can move on. Before you start yelling at me, Trump himself took that position with Hillary Clinton and the classified information. He did not sick the DOJ on her. He absolutely could have. Some would argue he should have. She broke the law. I had a clearance. I know more about it than Hillary does. What she did was absolutely criminal. Okay. She broke the law many times over. No question about it. Full stop. Many prosecutors actually have come out and said that even though James Comey was like, no prosecutor. James Comey's a jackass. Point is, Clay, there used to be it's in the interest of the country to move on, right? That was our thing. I think we've argued now in the Trump era, no. given what they've done to Trump and the repeated weaponization of the law they've used against Republicans, we at least have to operate under a, if you're a Democrat and you break the law, talking about Democrat and elected office, you pay the price. Letitia James, she should be prosecuted if she broke the law. You know, like you go down the list. Let me give you one idea here, Buck, as we go to break, that may could be in play, maybe. When they're sending these grand jury requests for documents and whatnot, they may be seating the ground for potential charges because if they don't provide the information, then you could potentially have obstruction charges. Now, this is messy because you're basically creating the crime itself by trying to get documents of which they may not respond to. It's like an obstruction trap instead of a perjury trap. It's an obstruction trap. So a part of me thinks when I see these grand jury document requests out there that what they're expecting is that they're going to get defiance. And when they get defiance, then they charge for obstruction, which is easier to prove because you have created. Basically, this is a legitimate process crime. And remember, this is what they did to Trump with the classified documents. They tried to develop a record of, hey, they're classified documents. He won't give them back. Now we're going to charge him with failure to return classified documents. It's a big process trap that they created. Totally agree. January is the month. More people hit the reset button on their expenses than any other because, you know, we spend a lot of cash, a lot of dough gets laid out in the holiday season. Well, I got an idea. I want to help you. It's really easy, too. It's just going to make things easier, cheaper, and better for you. Switch to Pure Talk from Verizon T-Mobile or AT&T this month. And over the course of this year, 2026, you'll save somewhere between $600 to $1,000. Pure Talk saves you 50% or more off your existing cell phone bill without sacrificing any quality of service. That's because Pure Talk operates on the same cell towers and network as one of those other companies, but without all the overhead expenses. The cost can be as low as $20 a month for unlimited talk, texts, and three gigs of high-speed data on Pure Talk Super Fast, Nationwide 5G Network. Dial pound 250, say Clay and Buck, and Pure Talk's U.S. Customer Service team.

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You know, I just you guys are ticking me off right off the beginning. I just started listening to you maybe 10 minutes ago and heard that other caller's call about basically where you guys were like, you know, oh, we're concerned about will this Democrat become even more popular and blah, blah, blah, blah. That's the calculus that's going on. Who cares? The Democrats will always vote Democrat. It's not like him becoming more popular on the Democrat side is going to get him more votes from the Republican side or even from the independent side, just like that guy said. No, no, okay. Hold on. Hold on. I got a question. Do you think it was good or bad for Trump to be charged by the 34 counts in New York, for example? Good or bad for Trump. It was ridiculously awful. These are not trumped up charges. Hold on. Pause for a sec. No, I think there's a difference between the legal and the political here. What we're saying, we'll take some more calls on this in the next hour. What our position is, I think most people would agree with this. I don't think Trump would be president of the United States if Democrats had never charged him with a crime at all. I really think that won him the election. And so... What are the charges that are going to be brought? And I think you can learn from the lesson of Trump. Sometimes when you think you are tearing someone down, you can actually be elevating them when you bring unsound political-based charges against people. So what we're talking about is what are the great charges makes you look bad, everybody. Frivolous charges are not smart because you're doing so under color of law in the Constitution. Just because they act, this is like, well, Buck, they take contributions from illegal aliens for, yeah, but like we're not going to do that. That's a bad idea, right? There's fighting fire with fire and there's lighting yourself on fire. The Joel Osteen Daily Podcast. God's plans for you are for good. Be inspired. Get ready. God is about to exceed your expectations. Joel Osteen Daily podcast. You are coming out of that dry place into more than enough. Daily encouragement right when you need it. There are opportunities in your future bigger than you can imagine. Listen to the Joel Osteen Daily podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite podcast. Last.