Daily Review with Clay and Buck - Mar 27 2026

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. So we've got much to discuss here. And the situation of the TSA lines, for example, something I want to get into a bit. But you'll notice these Democrats, they pretend that they care so much about federal government employees when it suits them. But the moment that they are a political hindrance, or there's some problem that they pose politically, then they're willing to throw them under the bus as fast as possible. Zohran Mamdani, who is the mayor of New York City. We are back to, and this was a way that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez used to get a lot of attention. But we are back to the old abolish ice routine, which was 2018's big, I think it was 2018, 2019. That was the big talking point. If you remember, kids in cages. In fact, the former Biden Energy Secretary shouted at me out of nowhere, kids in cages, kids in cages. That was on the Bill Maher show as like a. argument enders like oh my gosh kids are you know jennifer granholm not a very bright woman cabinet member under biden if i recall but kids in cages was the thing and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez you will all recall remember this clay she was at the fence oh yeah wearing all white oh yeah teary eyes oh my gosh the saddest thing i've ever seen uh yeah Zohran Mamdani has now picked up that left wing Soros, radical, race, commie, internationalist, no borders routine. And here he is saying that ICE, guess what? This is cut nine. Ice should be abolished. We're making clear that no one is above the law in this city, that everyone has to follow the rule of it. And I have made clear to the president, both in our private conversations and our public conversations, about the fact that I believe that ICE is a rogue agency. It's a reckless one. It's one that delivers nothing towards the furthering of the cause of public safety. And I've also been public about my belief that ICE is an entity that should be abolished. And that is critically important in our city where we've seen too many New Yorkers living in fear of even going to what would otherwise be routine immigration. jackets. Abolish ICE? I mean, so we won't have an enforcement arm, Clay. So why do we have federal laws? Why not tell Congress that they should pass a no one is barred from America law? I think that would make it harder, though, for them to collect taxes from those of us who are already here and who are citizens. I think it's going to be harder to get people to fight in your wars. If anyone can come, stay as long as they want or as short as they want, and go. Well, I think this is the question that if we had an honest media would get asked. We had Tom Homan on this week. And Tom Homan has told us before that he thinks the number of illegal immigrants when he came into office for Trump in January of 2025 was 20 million.

I think the vast majority of people out there would acknowledge that 20 million is too many illegal immigrants to have in this country, right? I mean, I think almost everyone listening to us right now would say that that's too many. What should the exact number be? I would like to try to get to zero. And then we could readdress American immigration policy through a legal process. Okay. What is the number that is too much for Zohran Mamdani? I would love to have Zohran Mamdani, right? New York City's budget is broken. to a large extent because of the choices that they are making when it comes to housing illegal immigrants. Many of you as you get ready for summer vacation, some of you might find your way up to New York City, might even be going to see the lost boys like producer Alley on Broadway, and you will be stunned by what hotel rooms cost in New York City. The last time I was in a New York City hotel room, one of the last times. I couldn't believe, Allie, what did my room cost? $700 and $800. This is not the nicest hotel. This is a random Hilton, like a Hilton offshoot, I think. I got into my room. I laid down on the bed, and I could touch the wall on both sides. That's how tiny an $800 a night hotel room was in New York City last time I was there. Okay? Why is that happening? because they were putting so many illegal immigrants in so many hotel rooms, and also, by the way, because they banned Airbnb and VRBO, which is an interesting discussion as well. And as a result, normal people can barely afford to stay in normal hotel rooms in New York City. Buck, they have completely broken the city's budget over illegal immigration, and yet they feel like they live in this magical realism, consequence-free world. where they never have to answer the question, what choices are they making and why are they making them? And I don't know where this goes. I honestly don't know where this goes because New York City doesn't have the money to take care of its actual citizens, and instead they're giving all these benefits to illegal immigrants. And so the whole Democrat Party. I was watching this morning as I was getting ready for the show buck. There was, you know, there's a trend on social media where everybody talks about what they were like in the 90s. Have you seen this? It's gone super viral. Of course, everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Everyone has seen this. There was a great clip on my feed this morning that I saw, which was pointing out everything that Democrats said in the 90s about how awful of legal immigration was. I remember Bill Clinton were. Bill Clinton were a nation of immigrants, but we're also a nation of laws. Chuck Schumer, the border is wide open. This is a disgrace. You go down the line. Democrats all, this is how they, but you see, Clay, this is how we got to this point. They just lied to everybody for a long time about this, that they actually wanted.

the border to be secure. And you can go back and find the New York Times editorial board, not an editorial writer in 2000, writing about how, get ready for this, everybody. Illegal immigration, particularly in areas where there are concentrations of illegal immigrants, particularly suppresses the wages of black Americans. That was the New York Times in 2000. They were saying there is a disproportionate impact from illegals on members of the black community in this country, our fellow Americans who are trying to earn a living, pay their bills, do everything else. And the New York Times is saying, we got to get a hold on this because it's not fair to black Americans. Now you fast forward a couple of decades, and you don't want. 10 million randoms from all over the world piling into this country, pretending their asylum seekers when they're not. They're not going to get asylum. They're not going to show up for their asylum hearings. They're not going to be deported clay, even if they're denied asylum because Democrats make it as hard, if not impossible as they can. It's completely insane. They have gone crazy on this issue. Yes. No other country in the way, you know, they point to other countries are saying, look, we should have like the working hours of France. They all sit around with scarves on and berets. And it actually sounds kind of nice right now eating baguettes. But, you know, look at France. They do this with everything. No other country in the world has the kind of open borders that we do. Correct. Even European countries have not been like what we saw under Biden, 10 million and four years, unprecedented. Well, and again, I just come back to they break budgets. They largely, especially, depending on what country they're from, but many of them do not embrace Western civilizational values. They are not overall assets to the country. And again, if we want to have a real conversation about what the legal immigration rate should be in the country, That's a really interesting question, right? If we go truly and are taking people who are incredible intellectual, educational assets, and they're going to come here and they're going to start jobs, start jobs, start new businesses, everything else, take advantage of the systems that exist in America. What was the percentage of Somalian illegal, Somalian legal immigrants in Minnesota buck that were on welfare? Wasn't it 80%? 80% of Somali immigrants. These are legal immigrants in Minnesota. 80% of them immediately go on welfare. And we're talking multi-generational 80%. How does that in any way make America better? First of all, it's illegal. You should never be able to come to this country and immediately go on welfare. That's a sign that our immigration system has failed because we're supposed to be taking people who can contribute to American life, not act as leeches effectively on American life, not show up here and immediately take your taxpayer dollars to support people that are not born American citizens.

particularly when we don't have the resources to take care of everyone in America in a way that Democrats would like. I don't even understand how Democrat voters can support giving all these benefits to illegal immigrants when there are people who are American citizens that aren't getting the resources they would like to have. You have to remember, though, what the propaganda has been for a long time about illegals in this country. we're told they commit less crimes than we do which is a lie by the way like than the average american i also would point out i don't care because we're americans they're not and also by the way that their rate of violent crime should be zero right i mean so the fact the argument of they they produce do crimes at lower levels well how about their crime should be zero because they should have be here It's remarkable. And then the other thing is doing the jobs Americans won't do. Really the illegal propaganda for a long time from the Democrat media industrial complex was that illegals. are better than other legal immigrants, mind you, and certainly better than lazy, coddled Americans. That was our own media for a long time, doing the jobs we won't do. Remember that? No, yeah, that's been an argument for a long time. They'll do the jobs we won't do if they're paid under the table, off the books, because they aren't supposed to be here, and they're often exploited by these labor practices, the whole thing. But it's so insulting. The whole thing is so. So the argument in favor of the illegals was that they're easier for unscrupulous business owners or, you know, business people to exploit? You know, they won't complain to OSHA at the chicken processing or the meat processing plant, so they're better than we are? No, that's actually not how this should be viewed at all. Well, it's also, Buck, you could take the logical extension of that. You know who would be even cheaper slaves. Right? Like at some point, if you're not paying people fair wages and you're saying, well, Americans won't do these jobs, yeah, they won't work for slave labor wages, right? So this is an argument for the percentage of Americans that are not working right now, which is not insubstantial. A lot of people are on the sidelines if we had a functional American economy that paid everybody what fair wages would be. then we'd have a lot more Americans coming off the sidelines, I think, to work. I really do. It's amazing also. They've tried to convince the American people that the laws of supply and demand are somehow frozen when it comes to illegals in the labor market. And every other thing we can all recognize. There's more of a thing, you know, there's more buyers than sellers. If there's more product than there is demand, all these affect price, these affect the wages and everything else. And yet with this, we're told you can have all these people who are brought into the country and specifically go into usually unskilled trade, certain parts of the labor pool, and it's not going to affect the price. Millions of people, it's not going to affect the price that business owners can pay.

If that were the case, why do we have so many people that only want to hire illegals, for example, in the meat processing plants, things like that? By the way, it reminds you the H-1B scam. Scam overwhelmingly a scam. And even Elon Musk, Elon Musk was, you know, I have a tremendous amount of respect for Elon Musk, Clay. Elon Musk was dead wrong on this. Vivek Ramaswamy was dead wrong on this in a way that has really continued to haunt him politically. I know he's running for governor in Ohio wrong on this issue. Because what it turned into was sort of a cartel of particularly Indians coming here, hiring other Indians, underpaying people because they can't go anywhere, but they get the chain migration benefit. They get to skip to the front of the line for staying here forever. So they're willing to take 20% less wages. It's not because the H-1Bs are all geniuses. I would also point out one other thing that is not getting a lot of attention. You know what's starting to happen in many different cities across America? the overall rents are collapsing. I was looking at a graphic buck two days ago. Many of our red state super popular cities, Austin, Nashville, many of your cities in Florida, people were so overwhelmed about the fact that during the Biden era, the overall rent rates skyrocketed for many of you. And a lot of you out there that rent know exactly what I'm talking about. Go look at the data since we have started to take illegals out of the country. Look at how much rents have started to come back down. Why would that be? Oh, because the people who were illegally here are not taking up as much of the housing and rentals. Hold on. Hold on. Are you suggesting that supply and demand also affects housing and not just the labor market? Yes, this is actually where Democrats played supremely dumb with JD Vance. You remember with Tim Walz when he said, if we have less illegal immigrants, the overall cost of housing, rent and purchase will decline. And they said, what are you basing that on? And the answer is supply and demand, like the most basic of all economic rules. And it's starting to have a pretty significant impact. If you got young kids, if you yourself are responsible for renting. you're seeing those numbers come back down a big way people a lot of people getting free months a lot of people getting two three hundred dollars off compared to what they used to pay uh in rent the markets are getting better as the number of illegals are declining One of the best additions you can make to your preparation, my friend, something you want to have in your home, in case of rapid radios. These are modern-day walkie-talkies that work nationwide on the LTE network, keeping you in touch with family, friends, and colleagues with simple one-touch connection. Now, they're great to have in case of you get power outage, lines knocked down, things like that. Rapid radios are part of my preparation plan.

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One of the great disappointments, one of our, one of the great innovators of our time, is that it's in our time. It breaks my heart. I was the first, you know, one of the first Tesla's off the line. I've been one of their biggest proponent supporters was regulation in California that created the conditions that allowed him to take the risk to become the multi-billionaire, maybe trillioner, that he's become. But right now, he's allowing, and I think this is Trump, not just Elon Musk. He is going to allow the greatest on goal. in, I think, one of the most significant angles in the next decade is ceding the EV space to China. He means own goal, right? He kept saying on goal. I think he said, I was listening to that too. I love that you picked up on the sports reference. His voice sounds like he's sick or something the way that he was talking, but it sounds like he's not saying own goal. For those of you who don't know, you can probably figure it out. But one of the greatest flaws in soccer would be to score yourself on your own team, a so-called own goal when you knock it into your own net. inadvertently unless you're you know shaving points uh then uh but so that's one of the great flaws now i thought this was interesting buck um jo rogan simultaneously making the exact opposite argument uh that Elon Musk is actually one of the most important figures historically when it comes to communications in this country cut 20

Listen, if it wasn't for Elon Musk, we would be... I've said this before, I'll say it again. History will go back and look at his purchasing Twitter, and it has changed the course of communication in this country for the better. I know a lot of you thought, oh my God, racism is up and all this stuff is up. That's... people that's the internet that is an accurate representation representation of people it's not good but it's also accurate and the only way that's going to change is if the other voices are more compelling and at least now they have an opportunity to do that okay so i do think i think he's right buck i bet you would sign on as well strong agree on that first part. It has enormously benefited actual meaningful free speech for Elon Musk. I can't say it enough. I'm not, I don't like to do butt kissing. I'm not somebody. It's like, oh, I love so is what he did is incredible. It has benefited the country enormously. And, you know, he's the most impressive entrepreneur and business visionary of our era on top of doing more for free speech than. The only person who maybe has done as much for free speech in our lifetime is Donald Trump. It's really those two guys, I would argue. Trump has expanded the Overton window such that you actually now could. Clay, you remember back in the day, like a decade ago or so, you could go back. Every conservative commentator can tell you. You had to always operate in this realm of, are you going to get in trouble for something you said? Are you going to get in trouble for something you said? Are they going to create some digital lynch mob that's going to come for you and demand that your sponsors flee and everything else? That crap doesn't really happen the same way anymore. It really just doesn't. And it's such a benefit to the country that people have more, we have a more free speech tolerant culture now online than we have had in my whole life. It's 100% correct. And... I think Elon Musk deserves a tremendous bout of that credit. I think he is the most successful capitalist of all time. I believe Buck, he's already a trillionaire because when SpaceX announces that it's going to go public, he will officially be a trillionaire. But based on what the valuations look like, I think he's already there. Now, I mentioned as the lead-in, the Kamala Harris bet that Buck's going to lose over whether Kamala Harris is going to run or not. The back and forth between Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom continues, and he wasn't happy. Gavin Newsom wasn't with how she portrayed him in her book. Again, this is from the Axios interview, cut 22. So former vice president, Kamala Harris. Why don't you guys like each other? A preposterous premise of a question, because we absolutely do.

Well, she took a shot at you in her book. You didn't speak at her convention. I mean, we can even go back to the San Francisco days with her and Guilfoyle. I mean, there seems to be something there. No, and quite the contrary. I introduced her at the convention. It was even more personal. She gave me a little shot as it relates to the actual truth of the walk I was on. And I remember texting her back, I said, come on. I've already put out a statement supporting you, the last person you need to talk to. But for whatever reason, she added that. And I think it graded some color for the book. They really, do you believe that they do not like each other or do you think they are fine with each other? Like what is, you said earlier this week that you think Gavin Newsom is such a sociopath that he doesn't even care if his own father-in-law moves to Florida. That if that's the case, then he clearly can't care about Kamala Harris at all. I think my father-in-law take was a strong take and I think no question in my mind. Same thing with Kamala Harris. Gavin Newsom, Gavin Newsom, his brain operates like a reptile brain. Is it too hot or too cold where I am? I need food. He's pure, what is it, the amygdala? He's pure amygdala. Whatever is in his immediate benefit and meets his immediate needs is where Gavin Newsom will go. So if Kamala Harris is in his way, she's the enemy. If Kamala Harris being friends with her makes him look more. uh, pro women, particularly pro-minority women. Oh, you know, whatever. We could sketch all this out. Then he is very pro-comola. But personal feelings, I don't know if he's even capable of personal feelings. I don't know. You know, it's like you mentioned a pet alligator. It's like, can an alligator ever love you? I don't know. I'm not sure. We'd have to talk to some people that have really handled reptiles a lot. Can a reptile feel affection for you the way that a mammal can? I don't know. That's a great question. I never even really thought about how much reptiles. By the way, not a lot of people came from me on the pit bull take. A lot of people, because I think it's a pretty nuanced take, actually. I'm not anti-pit bull. I'm just, you need to, you know, you're carrying around a loaded AR-15. You're not carrying a BB gun. I got like five to one people agree with me, which I was a little surprised. Maybe that's just a confirmation bias for some reason in my inbox, but that was the... Again, because I know that there are sweet dogs of every breed, but some dogs are bigger problems than others. I think it's a good analogy. I mean, you know, a BB gun versus an AR-15, one can do more damage. I mean, you can make it kind of for any context, right? Like a big wheel, you don't have to be as worried about running into a wall as you would if you're driving a Ferrari. I mean, you know, there are just different rates of speed that lead to different dangers. I take people to the range. I take first time as the range. I'm not good enough to, like, I have friends who are competition shooters and all that, but I'm very solid now at taking people, I'm licensed to do it here, taking people to the range and giving them like a first range day experience, if they've really never shop before, and I can just tell you, if I have somebody with a bolt action 22 on the line, particularly if someone's like younger, you know, if someone's like a, you know, in their teenage years are there with dad, I've taken a teenage friend of mine with his dad, you know, they've...

You get the 22 going, you're like, okay, you know, you got to be on target, all the, you can still die from a 22, right? It's not that, but if I take somebody, because I have had friends with FFLs who have fully automatic weapons, and I put them on the line with a squad automatic weapon, clay, which fires in a very rapid rate of speed, full auto, it has a lot more movement and everything else, I'm paying closer attention. You know what I mean? Yes. So I'll even say that both of those are lethal situations in the sense you have to be careful. These are both firearms. But one firearm, you really got to pay attention, right? And that's how I view the dog thing. Not to get into the dog conversation, but I think Gavin Newsom is not even a canine. I think he's a reptile. I have brought this full circle. Whatever, whatever brings him lunch that day is what he wants. That's all he cares. You really got me thinking about whether reptiles can be loving now. I never really had thought about it, but is there a reptile that is supremely lovable cuddly? I don't know. I think that their brains are not capable of that level of connection, is my thought. But we probably have people who are going to say, you know, I had a pet gecko. Pet birds can definitely bond with. The birds are way smarter than a lot of people. Like the whole notion of bird brain, crows are... freakishly smart i mean there are there are uh great african gray parrots some of these pets that people have can last uh these pet birds can last 40 50 years and and they know people and they have favorites and people they don't like so birds definitely can bond very tightly with people i don't think i don't think reptiles get hey if any reptile owners want to let want to let me in on this or let me know i will say the alligator whisper that i that i went out with here though the alligators knew him And they came out and were very kind of curious about him in a way that seemed like they recognized him. Would a turtle be able to have love? I don't know. That's a real question on the clay of Buccia. We're trying to fix the Iran war and the economy, but also, can turtles feel love? Like, I've never really thought through can reptiles love their owners. We were making a joke yesterday about, you know, somebody who raises, let's say, an alligator from, you know, the time when it's a baby until the time. I mean, I think they can have familiarity, but, you know, a dog or a cat, I think they would be capable of loving an owner. Dogs more than cats, but sorry cat people. It is a really good question. Dimitri in Houston. Let me try to get a call in here before we finish the segment. Dimitri, what you got for us? You guys, quick. The Democrats will fight to the mail to integrate this 20 million or 25 illegal or illegal or migrants. Digitally, they're going to try to integrate them into our society because everything is digital for bank account, for direct payments. Even Western Union implemented the stable coin as a choice of digital currency transactions, black chain. They're going to argue that, hey, we're going to need to collect fighter taxes, so let's put them under the payroll, where they're going to need to pay for social security. They'll open 401 case. They will contribute.

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Stories of freedom, stories of America, inspirational stories that unite us all. Each day, spend time with Clay and Buck. Find them on the free I-Hard Radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome in, everybody, third hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Saxon show gets going right now. We are joined by the Florida State Attorney General, James Uthmeier, A.G. James Uthmeier. Attorney General, appreciate you making time for us today from the great state of Florida. My home state. I love this place. Love the way that this whole state is trending. Thank you for all of your work on the law enforcement side. Clay has some specific questions we want to get to here in a second. I just wanted to know. Talk to me about some of the trends, the top priorities. What are you doing from a law enforcement perspective under your tenure here in Florida? Because it feels like the state is... Overall, really, really cooking. Yeah, look, we're prosecuting. We're enforcing law and order. We're putting bad guys away, and our crime rates continue to go way, way down. You know, when I took office, Florida was already a record crime lows. But the topic of fentanyl was coming up every time I talked to sheriffs. It was surging into communities across the state. Now, just over a year later, our fentanyl death rate is down over 35%. Our fentanyl cases are down almost. 60%. Crime continues to plummet. It's because we figured it out here. We support law enforcement. We give them the tools to be successful. We support the federal government with their efforts, especially on illegal immigration. It's not hard. It's not rocket science. You enforce the law. James, appreciate you coming on with us. I think the last time we saw you was at the Indiana Miami game for the national title, Buck's only college football game of the year, so not a bad one to go to. But a lot of the guys that were playing on the field there are going to aspire to go into the NFL one day. And one of the NFL's signature, I would say sort of social compacts. has been the Rooney Rule. And for people who don't know out there, you can kind of dive into the Rooney Rule a bit, but I'll give a kind of a rough approximation here. Basically, the NFL requires that minorities be interviewed before new coaches can be hired. And that rule has been in place for around 20 years. There are three NFL teams in the state of Florida, one in Tampa Bay, one in Jacksonville, one in Miami, as most of our listeners would know. And you have now issued guidance that the Rooney rule potentially is going to be violating the Florida civil rights statutes. Explain for us why that's significant and what your letter said.

Sure. Well, the Rooney Rule, which has been around for a good little while, it requires NFL teams to interview a number of minority candidates before hiring non-minority candidates. It requires some assistant coaching positions to be filled by minorities or women. It actually goes so far as to say if you have minorities that advance into higher coaching positions from your staff. There's a scenario where you can be awarded additional draft picks. So teams are clearly required to violate Florida law. We have a civil rights act that's been on the books for decades. You cannot discriminate against people based on the color of their skin, based on race when it comes to hiring and advancement. You know, a lot of states are looking at DEI and the problems associated with it. Some states are passing new laws, but the reality is we don't really need to. Most every state. has a longstanding civil rights act. I think the civil rights movement did some wonderful things to ensure the rights, the benefits of our Constitution are being afforded to all people equally. And today, you know, we've seen the pendulum swing so far where people are being discriminated against because they're white. So look, fans at home. They're not, you know, wanting teams to hire people based on color. They care about the color of the jersey of their team. They want to see their team win. They don't care what race is winning. They want to see people, you know, hired and promoted based on merit. So what do you expect to happen based on this letter? And by the way, I think you're 100% right on the law. I've been one of the few people who's been pointing out for some time that this flies in the face of, I think not only a lot of state law, but federal law, given that roughly a third of NFL teams are based in the state of Florida, what have you asked the NFL to do and what do you anticipate going forward? Well, I've asked the NFL to get back to me by May 1, so a little over a month away and confirm that they're going to remove this rule, remove these requirements that are unlawful here in Florida, and I believe many other states. If they don't do it, then we'll pursue formal legal action in court. But I'm a big believer in trying to work things out, talk things out. Hopefully they'll do a deep dive and realize that their policy is indeed illegal. And look, if minorities are getting jobs and doing well, performing well, I am all for it. I could not be happier. But what does this rule say to minority candidates that are getting jobs on merit? How do they know if they're being hired and advanced because they deserve it and not because of some other legal?

So when I took this job, I told my team, we're going to do the right thing, no matter what, we're going to do the right thing, even if it brings negative press and costs us something. And this is one of those examples where this violates the law and we've got to do the right thing. Speaking to Florida Attorney General James Uthmeier, and Mr. Attorney General, you have obviously been involved with the alligator Alcatraz situation here in this state. It's got a lot of national attention. We talked about it. What is the status of that detention facility? And how would you say the cooperation level is going with federal authorities for... lawful deportations to be occurring at the pace that the administration is seeking. Well, Alligator Alcatraz is still up and running. You know, the media doesn't talk about it anymore after they, you know, helped incentivize and promote a bunch of sham lawsuits that were all struck down. So it's been operating every day, never, never once was closed down despite some reports. And I'll tell you, it, you know, I understand the name, it gets some attention, gets a chuckle. But the reality is the location was important. Money on some new perimeter is 32 square mile of runway, which is a non-public use airport for law enforcement training. It was abandoned for commercial use back in the 60s or 70s. It's got a 2.5 mile runway. So when it comes to deportation flights, people can get bused there. You know, they can't really escape if they do. There's nowhere to go. And then there's an easy one-way out flight to get them back to where they came from. I'll tell you, I've looked at the roster of people that have been housed there going back to the beginning. And a lot of these people, they served time or were charged with some of the most heinous offenses. Murder, attempted murder, sexual assault, abuse of children. The media never talked about that. They acted like this place was inhumane, but they did not highlight, you know, the victims out there that suffered greatly at the hands of some of these people that never should have been. You mentioned that the overall... You mentioned that the overall crime rates have been declining precipitously in Florida. And I know we have a lot of Floridians who would be very happy with that. Where can you do better? Are there parts of the state that still have too high of a crime rate? How much, you know, we've talked in Memphis, for example, where I live in Tennessee, the mayor of Memphis has been somewhat willing to work with the Trump administration. How much are Democrat mayors fighting you on some of these things? Where do you think the state of Florida can still improve when it comes to trying to tamp down on crime?

Yeah, well, you hit the nail on the head. Our crime rates are not where they should be in areas like Broward County, Orange County. That's Orlando. And these are areas where we have Democrat officials in charge. They just, they do not take it seriously. We had a prosecutor in Orlando who stipulated to let a guy who attempted to murder somebody out on probation. Only were shortly thereafter he shot and killed three tourists at Disney just a couple months ago. This stuff. cannot happen. We're fighting this, you know, epidemic across the country. We need to lock bad people up for a while. One area in Florida, we still have to address human trafficking is a big deal, especially in South Florida. It's the third highest trafficked area in the country because of the wealth, the international presence, the entertainment. So I've made it a big initiative working with our prosecutors and local law enforcement there. going into World Cup FIFA, going into F1, we're going to be all hands on deck to stop this predatory practice that's very, very criminal. Is there any specific outreach or connectivity with the Trump White House on, you know, you haven't had the situation of national focus that, say, D.C. has had, or we mentioned Memphis before, and I know we're talking statewide now with Florida, but with any city here, it hasn't come up in that conversation of there's an emergency like Memphis, like Chicago, like D.C. of persistent crime numbers that are too high and don't come down. But is there some federal working with you or working with state authorities to help in an area like Orlando, for example, or are those resources not really needed at this point the way they are in some of those other cities? Now, this federal government has been fantastic. Everything from the FBI, the Homeland Security, to the marshals. You know, we've rescued almost 400 missing kids in the last year. And the U.S. Marshals have been a fantastic partner in that operation. You know, we had some cases where we were not getting help under the Biden administration. We had a trafficking case where a guy had molested in traffic. children, and we couldn't get DOJ under Biden to take it seriously. And within a year, we've locked somebody up for the rest of his life because we had a federal government that shared evidence and supported us. And that example is not isolated. It goes across the board. So we take advantage of it. We're very blessed. James, there is a video, and I know you may not want to comment on a specific case, but I'm sure that your team has seen it. of a famous online influencer shooting alligators allegedly what is the rule on something like that and how often nowadays do people begin to investigate crimes sometimes maybe even it's often based on social media posts

Yeah, well, look, in that case, what I'll say is I know local law enforcement is already engaged. They were right away. The Fish and Wildlife Commission has certainly seen the video and is investigating as well. My, you know, the head of my communications team, Jeremy, he told me I need to go ahead and announce that I recommend against Karima Maxing in Florida. And I don't even know what that means, which means I'm not as plugged into the... social media sphere as some but the reality is when you want to do stupid things to get attention you know if you break the law here in florida there's no exception for influencers or or public media specialists you break the law you're going to pay for it so we're going to look at this and if there's criminal activity which you know seems somewhat apparent based on first glance there will be serious repercussions. Just to follow up on Clay's question, shooting it, and I know that it's allegations video, outside of the facts of that case that everyone can see, that everyone's seen the videos online, just as a matter of law, shooting an alligator is very much illegal in this state, right? Yeah, you know, we've got licensing programs for for alligators and turkeys and deer and, you know, anything you want to go on to hunt. You can't just go out and start shooting animals, shooting alligators without the proper tags. So yes, it is a crime. Right. I didn't know you, this is much less serious than that. I didn't realize you were a national champion Florida Gator athlete. My team just told me about this that you ran for the Florida Gators. What did you think of the loss to Iowa for the defending Florida Gator national champs? And what do you think of the new football high? Or Buck's wife is a Florida Gator grad as well. What can you tell us as a former athlete with the Gators about the status and stature of the Florida Gator athletic programs right now? Well, our athletic program is always one of, if not the best in the country. We get the all sports awards very frequently, you know, the lesser known sports, you know, tennis, lacrosse, baseball, distance running, track. You know, we've always had top national teams. The football team, it's, you know, it's had its struggles of late. You know, I was there for the whole Tebow era, and it seems like yesterday, but I guess I'm getting older. We'll be back one way or another. The basketball loss was heartbreaking. You know, I do think that team had even more talent than the team the year before. And, you know, in the March madness, things have to drop your way. And, you know, we didn't get some of the lucky bounces, some of the penalty calls. We didn't have the hoops dropping where we needed them. But I think a lot of that team's going to be back. So I'm very optimistic. I think we've got a good coach, a good team. We'll be ready for next year.

You are also endorsed by Trump and on the ballot this year. For people who don't know, how can they go find out about your race and support you? Because I think you've done a really good job. Well, I appreciate it. You know, people hopefully are seeing me out there. I've done the job as much as I can, you know, as a longtime staffer that focused on policy. It was an honor to be Ron DeSantis' chief of staff for almost four years and to be part of the, you know, the great policies on public safety, education, school choice, you name it over the last few years. It's weird now to be a candidate and be forward facing. I'm out there fighting a fight. I'm going to support law enforcement. I'm going to do everything I can to put bad guys away. The people at home hopefully, you know, have seen that or will see it. If you want to learn more, you can visit jamesforFL.com. I'm on social media everywhere. I love good ideas. If there's a wrong we need to address in Florida, I'm ready to do it, no matter who it's going to tick off. Awesome. Well, I live here, and you've done a great job as Attorney General for the years that I've lived here, Mr. A.G. James Uthmeier, so thank you so much. Appreciate you being with us. All right. I think he's speechless after that high five. Yeah. He has done a great job. Look, all over the country of Israel right now, it is incredibly difficult for so many people out there to deal. with the challenges of the constant missiles of the constant drone strikes and as a result there are a ton of people that are constantly finding themselves in bomb shelters you know the international fellowship of christians and jews is one of the top locations out there for providing bomb shelters to so many different people of all different backgrounds in Israel. They also provide food and emergency supplies and they care for the elderly, including Holocaust survivors. Right now, people of Israel need your help. You can join both Buck and myself in helping those in need at the IFCJ. IFC.org. That's the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. You can also call 888-488-48-I-F-C-J. That's IFC.org 888-488-48-48-I-F-C.J. Sometimes all you can do is laugh. And they do a lot of it with the Sunday hang. Join Clay and Buck as they laugh it up in the Clay and Buck podcast feed on the IHardt Radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back into Clay and Buck. My CIA brother from another mother joins us now. Mike Baker, retired CIA covert operations officer, specializing in counterterrorism, narcotic, counterinsurgency operations. A lot of counters. And you know what you don't have in there? Analyst.

You don't have analysts in there, Mike, which don't worry. I didn't let Clay get away with such crazy smears as to call you an analyst. I thought I was giving him a compliment. You never wore a pocket protector. You didn't have a, you didn't have to return from the war zone because of a running nose. I like how you said that we get opiny about it. Oh, no, you guys definitely get, you guys definitely get upity about it, Mike. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. If an analyst ever, ever messed up on that. We can be a little bit up our own asses, that's for sure. So you're right. We can take offense easily. So we had a woman call in. I don't know if you know about this. It's amazing. Caller Linda came up with the idea we think, well, she came up with the idea and we think it made it all the way to the White House to put ice in the airports. And that's been amazing. And we said maybe she can call in and fix a straight of Hormuz. She hasn't called back with that one yet. So I'm going to put this to you. You're a former CIA covert operations officer. Fix the straight of Hormuz. Fix the Iran War. What do you see going about? By the way, Mike also hosts the wildly successful PDB podcast, which all of you should go. Check out. But Mike, fix the Strait of Hormuz, fix Iran. What's happening? Yeah. Well, you know what? I'm with Linda. Let's send ICE out to the straight. See what happens. Look, this is the problem here. You can believe contradictory things at the same time, right? Multiple things can be true. So you can believe that the Iranian regime was well deserving of a serious ass kicking. But you can also believe that we should have seen that the straight would be the leverage point, right, that it would all come down to the Strait of Hormuz because we've seen this before, right? And they've done this before. They've created chaos in the Strait when they've, you know, felt threatened or they're trying to make a point or they're looking for negotiation tactics. They've threatened to close the Strait for decades. So while I fully support this military operation to massively degrade the military capabilities of Iran, I'm a little concerned that it seems like we perhaps didn't think through what... Oh, admittedly, in hindsight, but I think it was clear before that this, it was going to come down to this, right? That we should have had scenarios in place already that would then say, if this happens, which it was going to happen, because the Iranian military can't go toe to toe with the U.S. and Israeli militaries. This was the only direction they could go to impact the situation and to try to.

extract concessions. So I'm a little concerned that we now seem to be in reactive mode as opposed to, you know, pulling the playbook off the shelf, knowing that this was going to happen. And look, I filled up my truck yesterday, $102. It's untenable from a political perspective. Republicans are going to get an ass kicking in the midterms. Okay. So at this point in time, we are where we are. Would there be any benefit to putting any boots on the ground in the Strait of Hormuz-related area from your perspective analyzing that situation? Because there's been a lot of talk about taking Carg Island, potentially putting guys and gals potentially in the Strait of Hormuz area where we could control ingress and egress more so. Smart is it then becoming even more of a mess? How would you assess that? if you were asked by the president. Yeah, well, look, I think they've already tried to cover their potential options. They put out two marine expeditionary units, I had about 2,500 soldiers each and a couple thousand sailors to support. They've got the 82nd Airborne sending out its elements. Got a lot of assets out there. And the problem is this. It doesn't take much for the Iranian regime. as it exists now, even, after having its leadership decimated, to create this mess. So if you're talking about taking a handful of islands, and it's not just the straight, we talk about the straight all the time, but the Iranians have created trouble in the Gulf, right? And so their reach is pretty significant. They've got a massive coastline. And so if you're talking about... you know a seize and occupy operation with these assault forces and you're talking then about you have to combine that with this international naval force that the president's been talking about which a number of allies are somewhat reluctant to join in on while they're still fighting going on That's well and good. You can create an environment where you could allow for, it would be slow, but safe passage of vessels, but you've got the threat still. You're talking, so it's not in any way a long-term fix. And you've got to create an environment where the shipping and insurance industries feel. comfortable enough to get back to business. So when you talk about seizing some territory or you talk about using this international naval force, how long are we talking about? You can't run that indefinitely. And so I'm not sure where they're going. I suspect the president is really working hard to try to find a way to cut a deal. That means making some concessions to the Iranians. That's not going to be very popular. Speaking of Mike Baker, host of the PDB podcast, and Mike, you're bringing, I think, a seasoned and somewhat salty, but in a good way, perspective to the situation, because war is hell, and it is certainly complicated, and the enemy gets a vote as well and all this. It sounds to me like your sense of this. And by the way, this is great, because we've had people asking us to have on more conservative voices who are...

educated on these things, which you certainly are, who are, you know, more critical, maybe a little more skeptical, however you want to position it about some of the president's military action in Iran. So I think you're bringing that interesting or that necessary perspective into the conversation. It sounds like I thought this way, too, by the way, for a while now, and I just want to make sure that this is where you are. Regime change, that's just not happening. Is that how you see it? Like, we're going to be negotiating with some form of this regime. And that's the way this is going to play out. Yeah. Look, I would love, I would love to see regime change, right? You're never going to have anything resembling long-term peace and stability in that region or a better, more prosperous, more opportune life for those people in Iran. with that regime in place in whatever form. And it certainly looks like the hardliners have, you know, cemented their position, the IRGC in particular, right? They've pushed that political group, Mr. Pasekian and all the others, to the side. I don't even think the clerics really are, you know, in a position of authority. I think they realize, okay, from an optic in the narrative position, sure, it's still a theocracy. The IRGC is running that show. And so you've got to find somebody to have a discussion with, but I would love to see that regime go. There's no doubt about it. Like I said, they have deserved this ass kicking for a long time. But I'm just talking from an operational, pragmatic perspective. This is messy. This is really problematic because, again, it does not take much to do what they're doing. with this straight of Hormuz and disrupting global energy markets and supplies, right? Because you're dealing with, you've got to convince the commercial sector. You've got to convince the insurers and the shippers that it's safe to do this. And I refuse to think that the U.S. is going to wrap itself into a long-term, indefinite position out there. And so... then you have to look at what few options you've got. And that comes down to, can we find somebody who can cut a deal within the Iranian leadership as it exists, and then call it good. But what does that do? Essentially, every administration has been putting lipstick on this pig for decades, hoping that the next administration would be fine, let them deal with it. I'm glad that we have significantly degraded the military capabilities of Iran. I think what we've done is we've kicked the can much further down the road than it's been kicked in the past. And so you call that a success. And then you move on. But the problem is the Iranian regime, if it's still there, and there's no sign of a serious fracture inside that regime at this point, if it remains. You know, they're looking for some concessions in order to cut that deal. And then they've always got this potential for them to take the international community hostage again by just a little bit of disruption in that area.

To what extent do you think there's likely to be a full divergence in perspectives between the United States and Israel? In other words, could Trump declare victory, say the United States component aspects of this mission are complete? And then Israel continues because they're still going to have air superiority, I would expect. this mission so long as they desire to do so on their own? How unified do you think this mission will be in the months ahead? Yeah, I think you've pointed to the key difference between Washington and Jerusalem, which is Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel. have looked at this as a regime change operation. Of course, they wanted, they wanted to degrade that missile program as much as possible. But for them, a success is getting rid of this regime. And I think that was, you know, a hope for a result from the U.S. side, but not the primary objective. So that's a problem. I don't think if the U.S. you know, declares victory and figures out how to get out of it, that I don't think Israel will continue their efforts in Iran, right? They'll be focused on Hezbollah and, you know, some of their ground operations in southern Lebanon. Mike, I think you have some, I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, no, no, I was going to say, we may likely see the map redrawn where they end up occupying sort of that turf south of the Latani River, which would be, that's a significant change. Mike, just one more thing for before we got to close out into a break. And Mike hosts the PDB podcast. You can all go check out where it covers a lot of national security political issues every episode. Mike, you said the midterms you're worried about. You're not alone there. I just think that historically speaking, if you look at what generally happens, Republicans probably are going to lose control. Again, people don't yell at me and everything else. I could be wrong. But historically speaking, this is the trend, right? You're worried it could be a little worse than that, or rather it could be, it sounds like it could be something of a wave in the House that goes against Trump because of this Iran situation. Do you feel like that's now baked in or if Trump off ramps effectively declares victory, get some kind of a cessation of hostilities with the Iranian regime? Hormuz opens up. Do you think people will forget about this, then it'll be more of those kitchen table issues that usually are the deciding factors in a midterm? Yeah, I mean, I think, look, if, if, uh,

The best result would be if there is somehow a regime change, right? If there's just conversations going on that we don't know about and that there's some top commanders in IRGC that have said, fine, we're done. This is ridiculous because they're not ideologues for whatever reason. And they provide top cover for the people of Iran then to come out in the streets and not be slaughtered as they were in the past by the internal security apparatus. That's a great result. I think that could actually mitigate some of the midterm losses and could actually, you know, be such a win in terms of a sea change in the Middle East that, you know, the Republicans could hold the House. You know, other than that. You know, I'm no different than everybody else. You know, I go into the fuel pump and paying, you know, that much more money. It depends on where that price is. You know, if they can get a resolution back out, the global markets stabilize, you know, they calm that. Everybody drops the angst and the prices drop. Then sure, yeah. But I do think historically, as you pointed out, typically, you know, it's not going to go well in the midterms anyway. But unless those prices come down, I think there's a real problem. Mike Baker, hey, Mike, appreciate you. And thank you for being here as always with us and come back sooner. I will talk to you more about this stuff as it unfolds. Absolutely. Thanks, guys. I appreciate you. Yeah, and I won't let Clay call you an analyst, I promise. He's not going to pull any that crap on my watch, all right? You know what? The bottom line was I was never smart enough to be an analyst. Well, I was about to say, I was going to say your analysis just now was really good. We could have used you back in the day in that Iraq conference room. So thank you, Mike. Good to see you. All right. There's no shortage of smart investors in this audience. I wouldn't have to look to find more than one listener. that purchased gold many years ago, like 20 or so years ago, who has benefited from a great increase in gold's value, a 750% increase. That's right. Over 20 years, gold has increased about 750%. Gold's value just in 2025 shot up over 65%. And a lot of very smart analysts believe gold is going to continue to go up in value because of global instability, like the Strait of Hormuz, for example, money printing, the debt. Gold, my friends, makes sense. And Birch Gold Group can help you not only get gold or silver sent to your home, but Birch Gold Group can help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold. I just like working with Birch Gold Group. They're very straightforward, very on it. And I think you will too. Text my name, Buck, to 98, 98, 98 to receive your free info kit on gold. There's no obligation, just useful information. Text my name Buck to the number 98, 98, 98, 98, text BUCK to 98, 98, 98, 98. Keep up with the biggest political comeback in world history on the Team 47 podcast. Clay and Buck highlight Trump replays from the week. Sundays at noon Eastern. Find it on the I-Heart Radio app or wherever you get your podcasts.